From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Tue Apr 1 00:52:43 2008 From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:52:43 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers Message-ID: <200804010552.m315qbY3026248@mail207c25.carrierzone.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080331/41ac14d6/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue Apr 1 05:51:55 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 05:51:55 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today In-Reply-To: <200804010305.m3135rD3021166@mail126c25.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <000601c893e6$66ffcb20$643c66c9@bettygivin> Marvin and Steve, Thanks for your insightful comments. It is hard to know just how and why some "hear the call," allow themselves to be "awakened", are "convicted, heed the call and turn" to Torah and the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and in this call feel that they have "found the road home," while others do not. I agree that there is a "heart connection," although I do not understand it because I know many wonderful people who love G-d so very much, yet do not yet have the "eyes to see." Yes, Marvin, I too have wondered why I have had my eyes opened and others have not. May we continue our walk, and continue learning and growing and reaching out to HaShem. And as you said, Steve, and I agree, Israel was promised to be given a "new heart," which will seek G-d. My guess is that this is a process and we have to cultivate that heart. Isa. 51:7 seems to imply that, and your prayer explains it. That seems to be the message in Ez. 37 as well. Thanks for sharing, both of you. Again so glad you are going to be able to come to the conference, Steve. What about you, Marvin? It would be so good to be able to meet you as you have so much wisdom to share. Shalom and Blessings, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:06 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today Marvin, I too have wondered about this "turning" we are doing. To me it all boils down to a "calling," a calling "to wake up" from a great sleep, i.e. a "death," a spiritual death. It is of course to many a very subjective definition. Yet we all know that our awakening is just that, we have been awakened to a former identity which has been lost for a long time. Of course, G-d calls many others, not just the "lost sheep of the House of Israel" and when they find G-d, they can also say with thankfulness, "I have arrived home." Yet our calling is different. Though we may have started searching for G-d as many Christians have also done, our search goes a bit further into a different direction. This "further calling" and journey is along a particular path. We are called to find "the home built on the foundations of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" as backed by a "particular" understanding/Betty of the Scriptures. On might call this understanding "revelation." To me it is nothing short of that, for when we all of a sudden understand a particular principle in what we are reading, we really "know." Of course "the heart connection" gives it the authenticity of which we can all testify. This too can be ascribed by sceptics to be a subjective sense or just a chemical / physiological reaction of the body. I cannot explain it in any other way. One just has to "experience it to really "know." Israel was promised to be given a "new heart," which will seek G-d. My guess is that this is a process and we have to cultivate that heart. Isa. 51:7 seems to imply that, and your prayer explains it. That seems to be the message in Ez. 37 as well. Am sure that we will have many more "aha-s" and insights from what we read and will read, perhaps in to Eternity. As you say, Marvin, the thankfulness will always follow us to grab hold of it and offer it to G-d, .... for ever... Steve At 06:04 AM 3/31/2008, you wrote: Steve, During the past 10 -20 years I have often wondered how I could see and so many others can not or will not. >From a purely intellectual - raw intelligence view point, I'm not at the head of the class. But, for some reason God has opened my eyes and let me see what others can not. As I look back over my own personal journey, I have come to realize that something in my soul and heart was / is desperately seeking after God (Hashem). Be it as a christian in nominal churchianity or now as a ... (not sure what I am) God fearing human, searching for knowledge and relationship with my creator. Am I saying that others do not have a heart searching for God? No! I believe each of us as we start searching for God we are faced with insight into scripture and if we fail to receive what God is showing us, we stop receiving right there. I believe it is only as we keep receiving and moving forward in our spiritual journey, that we keep the communication line open so to speak and God continues to lead us into his truth, which just so happens, to be - Torah. I was speaking to a 25 year christian the other day. A man who knows his bible, but has little understanding of what it really teaches. A man who is an accountant and CPA by trade. If I had 10 million dollars I would trust him to help me manage it. But, I could not in clear conscious walk across the street to hear him preach, knowing his attitude against God, Torah and Israel. This man would never admit he's against God.. But if your against Torah and Israel how can you stand for the God of Torah and Israel. I finished the conversation and walked away feeling sad that this person was blinded to what I see(with my limited understanding) but felt thankful that God has opened my eyes and giving me a heart to search after him. My prayer this morning is that I will continue to hold on to truth, search for truth and be willing to change as I find truth and that I might live and in my flesh see the Eze 43:4 And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east. Eze 44:2 Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut. Shalom _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [ mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 2:41 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today Friends, here is a word for today and a contemplation to go along with it: "Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my Torah; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings." -- (Isa. 51:7) Contemplation: Isn't it amazing that we, the people associated with the "isles," (Isa. 51:5), had the Torah locked somewhere in our "hearts," ......and now that this "secret" has been unlocked in us, we are to boldly identify with that inner revelation, as "the people of the covenant'" i.e. "Brit Am"(Isa. 49:8) .... and we are to "listen" to G-d's encouraging call to go ahead and not be afraid of those who would put us down for it? Steve PS: I had a poor Baptist person tell me once: "You are not trying to get us to go back to those mean Old Testament laws, do you? May G-d open her ears,... soon. _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080401/aa9db2fc/attachment.html From loyb at prodigy.net Tue Apr 1 07:35:04 2008 From: loyb at prodigy.net (Loy) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:35:04 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today References: <000601c893e6$66ffcb20$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: <04ab01c893f4$d0263f90$de86fea9@loyc30e02e1325> "Yes, Marvin, I too have wondered why I have had my eyes opened and others have not. " I believe that it has to do with our DNA. I could be wrong but that is where I am as of now. Loy Leorah ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Givin To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:51 AM Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today Marvin and Steve, Thanks for your insightful comments. It is hard to know just how and why some "hear the call," allow themselves to be "awakened", are "convicted, heed the call and turn" to Torah and the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and in this call feel that they have "found the road home," while others do not. I agree that there is a "heart connection," although I do not understand it because I know many wonderful people who love G-d so very much, yet do not yet have the "eyes to see." Yes, Marvin, I too have wondered why I have had my eyes opened and others have not. May we continue our walk, and continue learning and growing and reaching out to HaShem. And as you said, Steve, and I agree, Israel was promised to be given a "new heart," which will seek G-d. My guess is that this is a process and we have to cultivate that heart. Isa. 51:7 seems to imply that, and your prayer explains it. That seems to be the message in Ez. 37 as well. Thanks for sharing, both of you. Again so glad you are going to be able to come to the conference, Steve. What about you, Marvin? It would be so good to be able to meet you as you have so much wisdom to share. Shalom and Blessings, Elisheva/Betty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:06 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today Marvin, I too have wondered about this "turning" we are doing. To me it all boils down to a "calling," a calling "to wake up" from a great sleep, i.e. a "death," a spiritual death. It is of course to many a very subjective definition. Yet we all know that our awakening is just that, we have been awakened to a former identity which has been lost for a long time. Of course, G-d calls many others, not just the "lost sheep of the House of Israel" and when they find G-d, they can also say with thankfulness, "I have arrived home." Yet our calling is different. Though we may have started searching for G-d as many Christians have also done, our search goes a bit further into a different direction. This "further calling" and journey is along a particular path. We are called to find "the home built on the foundations of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" as backed by a "particular" understanding/Betty of the Scriptures. On might call this understanding "revelation." To me it is nothing short of that, for when we all of a sudden understand a particular principle in what we are reading, we really "know." Of course "the heart connection" gives it the authenticity of which we can all testify. This too can be ascribed by sceptics to be a subjective sense or just a chemical / physiological reaction of the body. I cannot explain it in any other way. One just has to "experience it to really "know." Israel was promised to be given a "new heart," which will seek G-d. My guess is that this is a process and we have to cultivate that heart. Isa. 51:7 seems to imply that, and your prayer explains it. That seems to be the message in Ez. 37 as well. Am sure that we will have many more "aha-s" and insights from what we read and will read, perhaps in to Eternity. As you say, Marvin, the thankfulness will always follow us to grab hold of it and offer it to G-d, .... for ever... Steve At 06:04 AM 3/31/2008, you wrote: Steve, During the past 10 -20 years I have often wondered how I could see and so many others can not or will not. >From a purely intellectual - raw intelligence view point, I'm not at the head of the class. But, for some reason God has opened my eyes and let me see what others can not. As I look back over my own personal journey, I have come to realize that something in my soul and heart was / is desperately seeking after God (Hashem). Be it as a christian in nominal churchianity or now as a ... (not sure what I am) God fearing human, searching for knowledge and relationship with my creator. Am I saying that others do not have a heart searching for God? No! I believe each of us as we start searching for God we are faced with insight into scripture and if we fail to receive what God is showing us, we stop receiving right there. I believe it is only as we keep receiving and moving forward in our spiritual journey, that we keep the communication line open so to speak and God continues to lead us into his truth, which just so happens, to be - Torah. I was speaking to a 25 year christian the other day. A man who knows his bible, but has little understanding of what it really teaches. A man who is an accountant and CPA by trade. If I had 10 million dollars I would trust him to help me manage it. But, I could not in clear conscious walk across the street to hear him preach, knowing his attitude against God, Torah and Israel. This man would never admit he's against God.. But if your against Torah and Israel how can you stand for the God of Torah and Israel. I finished the conversation and walked away feeling sad that this person was blinded to what I see(with my limited understanding) but felt thankful that God has opened my eyes and giving me a heart to search after him. My prayer this morning is that I will continue to hold on to truth, search for truth and be willing to change as I find truth and that I might live and in my flesh see the Eze 43:4 And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east. Eze 44:2 Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut. Shalom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [ mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 2:41 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today Friends, here is a word for today and a contemplation to go along with it: "Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my Torah; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings." -- (Isa. 51:7) Contemplation: Isn't it amazing that we, the people associated with the "isles," (Isa. 51:5), had the Torah locked somewhere in our "hearts," ......and now that this "secret" has been unlocked in us, we are to boldly identify with that inner revelation, as "the people of the covenant'" i.e. "Brit Am"(Isa. 49:8) .... and we are to "listen" to G-d's encouraging call to go ahead and not be afraid of those who would put us down for it? Steve PS: I had a poor Baptist person tell me once: "You are not trying to get us to go back to those mean Old Testament laws, do you? May G-d open her ears,... soon. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080401/2cc0b135/attachment.html From chattertonw at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 1 10:19:18 2008 From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (chattertonw at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:19:18 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers In-Reply-To: <200804010552.m315qbY3026248@mail207c25.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <040120081519.1870.47F2527600096FB70000074E22230650029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> I always think of Daniel 9 in this context... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080401/adcdbd93/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 12:10:04 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:10:04 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers Message-ID: Steve, What a thrilling concept!!! Just imagine actual congregations of Ephraimites, gathering to worship HaShem, and as part of their service, corporately asking His forgiveness for their sins, and for the sins of their fathers. They may well confess something like this: "Our Father, we, and our fathers before us, have forsaken Your Holy Covenant. We have combined our worship of You with the worship of Baal, and have not followed Your precious Torah. We, and our fathers, have forsaken the Ancient Path upon which You led us, and watched over us. For these most serious sins against You, and for all our individual sins, we repent, turn around, and as a conscious act of our will, now set our heart to Return to You. You are the G-d of our Forefathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We ask You to empower us to love Your Torah as our king, David, did. We ask You for Shepherds after Your Own heart to lead us, and that we be united again with our brother, Judah as the whole, undivided House of Israel. Amein." Pat Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:52:43 -0700To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgFrom: eliasaph at uniteourheart.comSubject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathersFriends, I apologize for reacting so late with thanks to Marvin and CB and others who have answered my earlier query some two months ago re "What we have to repent of?" That inquiry has another part to it: We also have to confess not just our sins, but also the "the sins of our fathers.'I am asking, "What sins of our fathers do we have to confess?" Why? Also, How can this benefit us? How can this be done in a practical way? Is this is an acknowledgment before G-d that we followed our fathers in these sins? Just how are we to confess this? Is this an individual matter as we come into knowledge that we are called by G-d to reconstitute the Commonwealth of Israel? Is there a corporate, ceremonial place for this, i.e. in congregations and services of Ephraimites?Any thoughts? Thanks for your inputs, prayerful considerations and brave comments about this subject. Guesses will do. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080401/3355c1eb/attachment.html From amydomin at aol.com Tue Apr 1 13:21:43 2008 From: amydomin at aol.com (amydomin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:21:43 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA623C5F04CC05-A88-3B7@webmail-nb18.sysops.aol.com> Wow Pat! That is a great prayer! I have never been one to be able to pray very well...and it always amazes me when I hear people put their thoughts together so beautifully! This is great and seems to encompass everything we truly feel in our hearts! Amy -----Original Message----- From: patricia robbins To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:10 am Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers Steve, ? What a thrilling concept!!!? Just imagine actual congregations of Ephraimites, gathering to worship HaShem, and as part of their service, corporately asking His forgiveness for their sins, and for the sins of their fathers.??They?may well?confess something like this: "Our Father, we, and our fathers before us, have forsaken?Your Holy Covenant.? We?have combined our worship of?You with the worship of Baal, and have not followed Your precious Torah.? We, and our fathers, have forsaken the Ancient Path upon which You led us, and?watched over?us.? For these most serious?sins against You, and for all our individual sins, we repent, turn around, and as a conscious act of our will, now set our heart to Return to You.? You are?the G-d of our Forefathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.? We ask You to empower us to love Your Torah as our king,?David, did.? We ask You?for Shepherds after?Your Own heart to lead us,?and that we be united again with our brother, Judah as the whole, undivided House of Israel.? Amein." ? Pat Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:52:43 -0700 To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers Friends, I apologize for reacting so late with thanks to Marvin and CB and others who have answered my earlier query some two months ago re "What we have to repent of?" That inquiry has another part to it:? We also have to confess not just our sins, but also the "the sins of our fathers.' I am asking, "What sins of our fathers do we have to confess?" Why? Also, How can this benefit us?? How can this be done in a practical way? Is this is an acknowledgment before G-d that we followed our fathers in these sins? Just how are we to confess this?? Is this an individual matter as we come into knowledge that we are called by G-d to reconstitute the Commonwealth of Israel?? Is there a corporate, ceremonial place for this, i.e. in congregations and services of Ephraimites? Any thoughts?? Thanks for your inputs, prayerful considerations and brave comments about this subject. Guesses will do. Steve = _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080401/cd1dfe6c/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 13:32:08 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:32:08 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers In-Reply-To: <8CA623C5F04CC05-A88-3B7@webmail-nb18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA623C5F04CC05-A88-3B7@webmail-nb18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804011132i1efa39a8j25991fdc83b2e83d@mail.gmail.com> I agree, this is a beautiful prayer! Lately I don't seem to be able to put my thoughts and feeling into words very well, but your prayer sums up what is in my heart. Kim On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 1:21 PM, wrote: > Wow Pat! That is a great prayer! I have never been one to be able to pray > very well...and it always amazes me when I hear people put their thoughts > together so beautifully! This is great and seems to encompass everything we > truly feel in our hearts! > > Amy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: patricia robbins > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:10 am > Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers > > Steve, > > What a thrilling concept!!! Just imagine actual congregations of > Ephraimites, gathering to worship HaShem, and as part of their service, > corporately asking His forgiveness for their sins, and for the sins of their > fathers. They may well confess something like this: "Our Father, we, and > our fathers before us, have forsaken Your Holy Covenant. We have combined > our worship of You with the worship of Baal, and have not followed Your > precious Torah. We, and our fathers, have forsaken the Ancient Path upon > which You led us, and watched over us. For these most serious sins against > You, and for all our individual sins, we repent, turn around, and as a > conscious act of our will, now set our heart to Return to You. You are the > G-d of our Forefathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We ask You to empower us > to love Your Torah as our king, David, did. We ask You for Shepherds > after Your Own heart to lead us, and that we be united again with our > brother, Judah as the whole, undivided House of Israel. Amein." > > Pat > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:52:43 -0700 > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com > Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers > > Friends, > > I apologize for reacting so late with thanks to Marvin and CB and others > who have answered my earlier query some two months ago re "What we have to > repent of?" That inquiry has another part to it: We also have to confess > not just our sins, but also the "the sins of our fathers.' > > I am asking, "What sins of our fathers do we have to confess?" Why? Also, > How can this benefit us? How can this be done in a *practical *way? > > Is this is an acknowledgment before G-d that we followed our fathers in > these sins? Just how are we to confess this? Is this an individual matter > as we come into knowledge that we are called by G-d to reconstitute the > Commonwealth of Israel? Is there a corporate, ceremonial place for this, > i.e. in congregations and services of Ephraimites? > > Any thoughts? Thanks for your inputs, prayerful considerations and brave > comments about this subject. Guesses will do. > > Steve > > = > > _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides > . > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080401/7acd1e5f/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue Apr 1 13:36:01 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:36:01 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Child Kills Bush; White House becomes mosque on Hamas TV Message-ID: <001901c89427$3c856670$643c66c9@bettygivin> So very sad, so evil and shameless! All you have to do is click on the website and it will give you the headline and a photo of a very young child getting ready to stab President Bush! What these people won't stoop to!!! Arutz Sheva [news at israelnationalnews.com] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080401/f0ac06a7/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue Apr 1 13:39:34 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:39:34 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0804011132i1efa39a8j25991fdc83b2e83d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01c89427$bb3e8050$643c66c9@bettygivin> Thank-you, Pat. This is indeed a beautiful, appropriate and heart-felt prayer Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of kim alvarado Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:32 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers I agree, this is a beautiful prayer! Lately I don't seem to be able to put my thoughts and feeling into words very well, but your prayer sums up what is in my heart. Kim On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 1:21 PM, wrote: Wow Pat! That is a great prayer! I have never been one to be able to pray very well...and it always amazes me when I hear people put their thoughts together so beautifully! This is great and seems to encompass everything we truly feel in our hearts! Amy -----Original Message----- From: patricia robbins To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:10 am Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers Steve, What a thrilling concept!!! Just imagine actual congregations of Ephraimites, gathering to worship HaShem, and as part of their service, corporately asking His forgiveness for their sins, and for the sins of their fathers. They may well confess something like this: "Our Father, we, and our fathers before us, have forsaken Your Holy Covenant. We have combined our worship of You with the worship of Baal, and have not followed Your precious Torah. We, and our fathers, have forsaken the Ancient Path upon which You led us, and watched over us. For these most serious sins against You, and for all our individual sins, we repent, turn around, and as a conscious act of our will, now set our heart to Return to You. You are the G-d of our Forefathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We ask You to empower us to love Your Torah as our king, David, did. We ask You for Shepherds after Your Own heart to lead us, and that we be united again with our brother, Judah as the whole, undivided House of Israel. Amein." Pat _____ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:52:43 -0700 To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers Friends, I apologize for reacting so late with thanks to Marvin and CB and others who have answered my earlier query some two months ago re "What we have to repent of?" That inquiry has another part to it: We also have to confess not just our sins, but also the "the sins of our fathers.' I am asking, "What sins of our fathers do we have to confess?" Why? Also, How can this benefit us? How can this be done in a practical way? Is this is an acknowledgment before G-d that we followed our fathers in these sins? Just how are we to confess this? Is this an individual matter as we come into knowledge that we are called by G-d to reconstitute the Commonwealth of Israel? Is there a corporate, ceremonial place for this, i.e. in congregations and services of Ephraimites? Any thoughts? Thanks for your inputs, prayerful considerations and brave comments about this subject. Guesses will do. Steve = _______________________________________________ _____ Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080401/ef78db02/attachment.html From youngbarzel at aol.com Tue Apr 1 14:06:48 2008 From: youngbarzel at aol.com (youngbarzel at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:06:48 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Child Kills Bush; White House becomes mosque on Hamas TV In-Reply-To: <001901c89427$3c856670$643c66c9@bettygivin> References: <001901c89427$3c856670$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: <8CA6242AB81C2CB-47C-11CC@Webmail-mg13.sim.aol.com> Shalom Betty - ???? These are the DEMOCRATICALLY elected leaders of these arabs, referred to as so-called 'palestinians,' who are sponsoring shows like this for their children.? They do not behave like human beings, and clearly do not value life as we do.? They raise their children to be martyrs, they are a very sick group of creatures, that need to be dealt with appropriately.? It's time that we realized that this is a fight to the DEATH, with NO negotiations, NO concessions and NO more surrendering G-d's Chosen Land.? ???? We need to keep watching that amazing movie, 'Fitna' over, and over again until we all 'get it.' ???? B'Ahavat HaMoledet (With Love of the Homeland), ??? ??? ??? Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... -----Original Message----- From: Betty Givin To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 2:36 pm Subject: [Dialogue] Child Kills Bush; White House becomes mosque on Hamas TV So very sad, so evil and shameless!? All you have to do is click on the website and it will give you the headline and a photo of a very young child getting ready to stab President Bush!? What these people won?t stoop to!!! ? Arutz Sheva [news at israelnationalnews.com] ? _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080401/771289e4/attachment.html From youngbarzel at aol.com Tue Apr 1 14:53:03 2008 From: youngbarzel at aol.com (youngbarzel at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:53:03 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA62492185B117-47C-14D2@Webmail-mg13.sim.aol.com> Hey Pat - ? What a beautiful prayer....really amazing!? It really covers just about everything, at least as far as I can see? :-) May we all turn our hearts to HaShem, and prepare to move forward....together, as?HE always intended us to?do! ?B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, ?????? Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... ? -----Original Message----- From: patricia robbins To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 1:10 pm Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers Steve, ? What a thrilling concept!!!? Just imagine actual congregations of Ephraimites, gathering to worship HaShem, and as part of their service, corporately asking His forgiveness for their sins, and for the sins of their fathers.??They?may well?confess something like this: "Our Father, we, and our fathers before us, have forsaken?Your Holy Covenant.? We?have combined our worship of?You with the worship of Baal, and have not followed Your precious Torah.? We, and our fathers, have forsaken the Ancient Path upon which You led us, and?watched over?us.? For these most serious?sins against You, and for all our individual sins, we repent, turn around, and as a conscious act of our will, now set our heart to Return to You.? You are?the G-d of our Forefathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.? We ask You to empower us to love Your Torah as our king,?David, did.? We ask You?for Shepherds after?Your Own heart to lead us,?and that we be united again with our brother, Judah as the whole, undivided House of Israel.? Amein." ? Pat Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:52:43 -0700 To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers Friends, I apologize for reacting so late with thanks to Marvin and CB and others who have answered my earlier query some two months ago re "What we have to repent of?" That inquiry has another part to it:? We also have to confess not just our sins, but also the "the sins of our fathers.' I am asking, "What sins of our fathers do we have to confess?" Why? Also, How can this benefit us?? How can this be done in a practical way? Is this is an acknowledgment before G-d that we followed our fathers in these sins? Just how are we to confess this?? Is this an individual matter as we come into knowledge that we are called by G-d to reconstitute the Commonwealth of Israel?? Is there a corporate, ceremonial place for this, i.e. in congregations and services of Ephraimites? Any thoughts?? Thanks for your inputs, prayerful considerations and brave comments about this subject. Guesses will do. Steve = _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080401/20bd99ec/attachment.html From rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 1 15:48:37 2008 From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net (Rudolph Ricciardi) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <603637.99190.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Dear Pat, Truly a wonderful prayer! HaShem, Who is the only One who sees the "heart", is searching to and fro to strengthen those of a perfect heart,( totally committed to Him).(Chron. 2, 16:9) This is the point of return, when the heart gives up all the old "baggage" and sells out completely to HaShem, and He removes the "spiritual" blindness. We've come out of the darkness and into the His Glorious LIGHT. Baruch HaShem !! Love to ALL, Linda patricia robbins wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Steve, What a thrilling concept!!! Just imagine actual congregations of Ephraimites, gathering to worship HaShem, and as part of their service, corporately asking His forgiveness for their sins, and for the sins of their fathers. They may well confess something like this: "Our Father, we, and our fathers before us, have forsaken Your Holy Covenant. We have combined our worship of You with the worship of Baal, and have not followed Your precious Torah. We, and our fathers, have forsaken the Ancient Path upon which You led us, and watched over us. For these most serious sins against You, and for all our individual sins, we repent, turn around, and as a conscious act of our will, now set our heart to Return to You. You are the G-d of our Forefathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We ask You to empower us to love Your Torah as our king, David, did. We ask You for Shepherds after Your Own heart to lead us, and that we be united again with our brother, Judah as the whole, undivided House of Israel. Amein." Pat --------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:52:43 -0700 To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers Friends, I apologize for reacting so late with thanks to Marvin and CB and others who have answered my earlier query some two months ago re "What we have to repent of?" That inquiry has another part to it: We also have to confess not just our sins, but also the "the sins of our fathers.' I am asking, "What sins of our fathers do we have to confess?" Why? Also, How can this benefit us? How can this be done in a practical way? Is this is an acknowledgment before G-d that we followed our fathers in these sins? Just how are we to confess this? Is this an individual matter as we come into knowledge that we are called by G-d to reconstitute the Commonwealth of Israel? Is there a corporate, ceremonial place for this, i.e. in congregations and services of Ephraimites? Any thoughts? Thanks for your inputs, prayerful considerations and brave comments about this subject. Guesses will do. Steve _______________________________________________ Shalom to all! Linda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080401/f53d2fb1/attachment.html From mhyde7 at tds.net Wed Apr 2 06:43:16 2008 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:43:16 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today In-Reply-To: <000601c893e6$66ffcb20$643c66c9@bettygivin> References: <200804010305.m3135rD3021166@mail126c25.carrierzone.com> <000601c893e6$66ffcb20$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: <001d01c894b6$bebbda40$0200a8c0@marvin> Steve and Betty, Betty, I will not be able to attend the conference this year but hopefully next year we can make the trip. It's been several years since I've attended a UIWU meeting. But, know my heart is with you all. Steve, Below is a quote from your previous post.. Would you develop your thoughts a little? Our search. a bit further.. Into a different direction!!? ... A particular path... understanding of scripture!!? "Yet our calling is different. Though we may have started searching for G-d as many Christians have also done, our search goes a bit further into a different direction. This "further calling" and journey is along a particular path. We are called to find "the home built on the foundations of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" as backed by a "particular" understanding/of the Scriptures. " Thanks marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Betty Givin Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:52 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today Marvin and Steve, Thanks for your insightful comments. It is hard to know just how and why some "hear the call," allow themselves to be "awakened", are "convicted, heed the call and turn" to Torah and the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and in this call feel that they have "found the road home," while others do not. I agree that there is a "heart connection," although I do not understand it because I know many wonderful people who love G-d so very much, yet do not yet have the "eyes to see." Yes, Marvin, I too have wondered why I have had my eyes opened and others have not. May we continue our walk, and continue learning and growing and reaching out to HaShem. And as you said, Steve, and I agree, Israel was promised to be given a "new heart," which will seek G-d. My guess is that this is a process and we have to cultivate that heart. Isa. 51:7 seems to imply that, and your prayer explains it. That seems to be the message in Ez. 37 as well. Thanks for sharing, both of you. Again so glad you are going to be able to come to the conference, Steve. What about you, Marvin? It would be so good to be able to meet you as you have so much wisdom to share. Shalom and Blessings, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:06 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today Marvin, I too have wondered about this "turning" we are doing. To me it all boils down to a "calling," a calling "to wake up" from a great sleep, i.e. a "death," a spiritual death. It is of course to many a very subjective definition. Yet we all know that our awakening is just that, we have been awakened to a former identity which has been lost for a long time. Of course, G-d calls many others, not just the "lost sheep of the House of Israel" and when they find G-d, they can also say with thankfulness, "I have arrived home." Yet our calling is different. Though we may have started searching for G-d as many Christians have also done, our search goes a bit further into a different direction. This "further calling" and journey is along a particular path. We are called to find "the home built on the foundations of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" as backed by a "particular" understanding/of the Scriptures. On might call this understanding "revelation." To me it is nothing short of that, for when we all of a sudden understand a particular principle in what we are reading, we really "know." Of course "the heart connection" gives it the authenticity of which we can all testify. This too can be ascribed by sceptics to be a subjective sense or just a chemical / physiological reaction of the body. I cannot explain it in any other way. One just has to "experience it to really "know." Israel was promised to be given a "new heart," which will seek G-d. My guess is that this is a process and we have to cultivate that heart. Isa. 51:7 seems to imply that, and your prayer explains it. That seems to be the message in Ez. 37 as well. Am sure that we will have many more "aha-s" and insights from what we read and will read, perhaps in to Eternity. As you say, Marvin, the thankfulness will always follow us to grab hold of it and offer it to G-d, .... for ever... Steve At 06:04 AM 3/31/2008, you wrote: Steve, During the past 10 -20 years I have often wondered how I could see and so many others can not or will not. >From a purely intellectual - raw intelligence view point, I'm not at the head of the class. But, for some reason God has opened my eyes and let me see what others can not. As I look back over my own personal journey, I have come to realize that something in my soul and heart was / is desperately seeking after God (Hashem). Be it as a christian in nominal churchianity or now as a ... (not sure what I am) God fearing human, searching for knowledge and relationship with my creator. Am I saying that others do not have a heart searching for God? No! I believe each of us as we start searching for God we are faced with insight into scripture and if we fail to receive what God is showing us, we stop receiving right there. I believe it is only as we keep receiving and moving forward in our spiritual journey, that we keep the communication line open so to speak and God continues to lead us into his truth, which just so happens, to be - Torah. I was speaking to a 25 year christian the other day. A man who knows his bible, but has little understanding of what it really teaches. A man who is an accountant and CPA by trade. If I had 10 million dollars I would trust him to help me manage it. But, I could not in clear conscious walk across the street to hear him preach, knowing his attitude against God, Torah and Israel. This man would never admit he's against God.. But if your against Torah and Israel how can you stand for the God of Torah and Israel. I finished the conversation and walked away feeling sad that this person was blinded to what I see(with my limited understanding) but felt thankful that God has opened my eyes and giving me a heart to search after him. My prayer this morning is that I will continue to hold on to truth, search for truth and be willing to change as I find truth and that I might live and in my flesh see the Eze 43:4 And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east. Eze 44:2 Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut. Shalom _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [ mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 2:41 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today Friends, here is a word for today and a contemplation to go along with it: "Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my Torah; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings." -- (Isa. 51:7) Contemplation: Isn't it amazing that we, the people associated with the "isles," (Isa. 51:5), had the Torah locked somewhere in our "hearts," ......and now that this "secret" has been unlocked in us, we are to boldly identify with that inner revelation, as "the people of the covenant'" i.e. "Brit Am"(Isa. 49:8) .... and we are to "listen" to G-d's encouraging call to go ahead and not be afraid of those who would put us down for it? Steve PS: I had a poor Baptist person tell me once: "You are not trying to get us to go back to those mean Old Testament laws, do you? May G-d open her ears,... soon. _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080402/d9887d8b/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Wed Apr 2 09:09:46 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:09:46 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers In-Reply-To: <8CA62492185B117-47C-14D2@Webmail-mg13.sim.aol.com> References: <8CA62492185B117-47C-14D2@Webmail-mg13.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: I think that prayer wrote itself. I was just typing the words. To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgSubject: Re: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathersDate: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:53:03 -0400From: youngbarzel at aol.comHey Pat - What a beautiful prayer....really amazing! It really covers just about everything, at least as far as I can see :-)May we all turn our hearts to HaShem, and prepare to move forward....together, as HE always intended us to do! B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of JudahNow we all know Rav Kahane was right... -----Original Message-----From: patricia robbins To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgSent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 1:10 pmSubject: RE: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathers Steve, What a thrilling concept!!! Just imagine actual congregations of Ephraimites, gathering to worship HaShem, and as part of their service, corporately asking His forgiveness for their sins, and for the sins of their fathers. They may well confess something like this: "Our Father, we, and our fathers before us, have forsaken Your Holy Covenant. We have combined our worship of You with the worship of Baal, and have not followed Your precious Torah. We, and our fathers, have forsaken the Ancient Path upon which You led us, and watched over us. For these most serious sins against You, and for all our individual sins, we repent, turn around, and as a conscious act of our will, now set our heart to Return to You. You are the G-d of our Forefathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We ask You to empower us to love Your Torah as our king, David, did. We ask You for Shepherds after Your Own heart to lead us, and that we be united again with our brother, Judah as the whole, undivided House of Israel. Amein." Pat Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:52:43 -0700To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgFrom: eliasaph at uniteourheart.comSubject: [Dialogue] Sins of our fathersFriends, I apologize for reacting so late with thanks to Marvin and CB and others who have answered my earlier query some two months ago re "What we have to repent of?" That inquiry has another part to it: We also have to confess not just our sins, but also the "the sins of our fathers.'I am asking, "What sins of our fathers do we have to confess?" Why? Also, How can this benefit us? How can this be done in a practical way? Is this is an acknowledgment before G-d that we followed our fathers in these sins? Just how are we to confess this? Is this an individual matter as we come into knowledge that we are called by G-d to reconstitute the Commonwealth of Israel? Is there a corporate, ceremonial place for this, i.e. in congregations and services of Ephraimites?Any thoughts? Thanks for your inputs, prayerful considerations and brave comments about this subject. Guesses will do. Steve = _______________________________________________ Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080402/92278a60/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Wed Apr 2 15:30:24 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:30:24 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] FW: Latest Stats: Israel's Demographic Trend is Jewish, Not Arab! Message-ID: <003f01c89500$61c70270$643c66c9@bettygivin> Here is some good news from Israel regarding the GROWING Jewish population!!! I copied excerpts from the website. For the whole article, you can copy and paste the link below into your browser. Arutz Sheva [news at israelnationalnews.com] Yoram Ettinger, a former Israeli Embassy liaison with Congress, says it's critical for Israeli decision-makers to know that, contrary to popular perception, the proportion of Jews in the Land of Israel is rising. "The demographic problem is not only not lethal to Israel," Ettinger told Yishai Fleisher on IsraelNationalRadio.com, "the tailwind is in fact going in favor of the Jews, not the Arabs. In 1995, the number of Jewish births comprised 69% of all births in Israel, while today it is 75%. The most startling recent demographic finding, Ettinger said, "is that between 1995 and 2007, the annual number of Jewish births has increased by 40%, from some 80,000 to 112,000 Jewish births each year. During this period, the number of Arab births within the Green Line [pre-'67 Israel] has stabilized at around 39,000 a year. In addition, in 1995, the number of Jewish births comprised 69% of all births in Israel, while today it is 75%. This means that from year to year, Jewish society in Israel becomes relatively younger, while Arab society becomes older." The true numbers, Ettinger told Arutz-7 last month, are as follows: "Within the Green Line, there are currently 1.4 million Arabs, compared with almost 6 million Jews. In Judea and Samaria, there are 1.5 million Arabs, and not 2.3 million, as [the PA] claims. In Gaza, there are 1.1 million, and not 1.5 million." Ettinger then summed up: "What this shows is that the trend is Jewish, not Arab. One of the conclusions must be that there is absolutely no reason for Israel to give away Jewish geography in favor of Jewish demography. Anyone who says otherwise is either recklessly wrong or misleading." There is no doubt that demographic optimistic and hope is much more conducive for better long-term planning, a better economy, a better investment climate, and a better social climate. Asked by Fleisher about other important demographers whose conclusions are otherwise, Ettinger responded clearly and concisely: "The facts are that the others have been wrong, and here are some examples. In the 80s, those demographers told Israelis that there was no chance of a massive Aliyah [immigration] from the USSR, and that if the gates were to be opened, the Jews would mainly go to the US, Germany and elsewhere. Of course, one million came to Israel... The founder of the Central Bureau of Statistics told Ben-Gurion back in 1948 to delay the Declaration of Independence because conventional demographics at that time said that the 600,000 Jews were expected to become a minority within 20 years. They also told him not to expect Jewish Aliyah after the War of Independence. Once again, they were wrong. They also said in the 1970s that we shouldn't expect Soviet Aliyah - when in fact about 200,000 came." "So time after time," Ettinger said, "the conventional Israeli demographers were wrong on Aliyah, and were wrong on Jewish fertility, and were wrong on Arab fertility. Jewish fertility in Israel over the past 10-15 years is the highest in the industrialized world - contrary to predictions that it would drop!" Ettinger explained that it is important for a country to know the truth, and not wallow in "baseless, pessimistic, fatalistic projections" and "suicidal talk about the 'besieged Jewish state.' If interested, you can read more on Arutz Sheva [news at israelnationalnews.com] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080402/16036924/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Wed Apr 2 15:43:51 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:43:51 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] King David Musuem and Susan Roth from Arutz Sheva Message-ID: <005501c89502$426aae20$643c66c9@bettygivin> Friends, I found this accidently while reading another article on this website. Susan Roth will be at the UIWU conference. I found it interesting and thought you would too. Best regards and counting the days, Betty/Elisheva 8. Celebrating King David by Avi Tuchmayer A rich mix of Jerusalemites came out on a brisk Jerusalem night in early March to celebrate the city's newest museum: The King David Museum and Genealogy Center. Located in the heart of the Old City, the museum is a celebration of the most celebrated king in Jewish history, the author of the Book of Psalms and a major subject of the biblical Book of Samuel. The museum tracks the unbroken Jewish connection to the city Jerusalem, that was first conquered and made the capital of Israel by King David. [video:123169] Can't see video player? Click Here The permanent exhibition features artifacts from the first and second temple periods including earthenware, ceramics, coins, arrowheads, and more. There is also a section dedicated to printed matter about King David and the Temple Mount, featuring the first known printed book of Psalms, published in 1511, and a swath of original printings that date from 1696 to modern times. Another section of the museum features a series of jarred spices. Mixed together in the correct proportions, the spices were combined to create the incense that was offered daily in the Holy Temple. Family Research In addition to the museum, the King David Genealogy Center features an impressive display of family trees reaching back through nearly 3,000 years of Jewish history. Direct descendants of King David include Rashi, the eleventh-century scholar whose commentaries on the Bible and Talmud revolutionized the study of both disciplines, as well as the Ba'al Shem Tov, the eighteenth century founder of Hassidism. There are also computers available for visitors to trace their ancestry for possible links to the Davidic family tree, as well as several staff genealogists to help interested parties begin their research. For Susan Roth, the museum founder and president, the new museum represents a natural culmination of her efforts in Israel for nearly 15 years. In 1995, when the Rabin/Peres government threatened to cede control of Rachel's Tomb, Roth organized buses to bring hundreds of thousands of people to pray at the holy site. The effort eventually bore fruit: Rachel's Tomb was included on the Israeli side of the border fence. Though the tomb now resembles a military fortress with tall, thick concrete barriers protecting devotees from the nearby Arab population, the site is open 24 hours a day and hosts a weekly religious Saturday night celebration called a melave malka. Spices for Temple Incense King David Museum Reaction to Oslo War Roth says the idea for a King David museum germinated in 2000, at the beginning of the Oslo War, when Arab attacks on Jews throughout the Land of Israel became an almost daily occurrence. At that time she published a Golden Book of Psalms, and she began receiving requests for personalized books and family trees. She says the idea developed and gained speed quickly. "I realized that no one had ever lifted as much as a little finger to outline the history of the King David Dynasty," she told Arutz 7. "In 3,000 years, no one had ever written a Torah scroll in honor of King David, and for many people, the popular song David, Melech Yisrael (David, King of Israel) was all they knew about him. "In 2006, we founded the Davidic Dynasty organization and sponsored the first Torah scroll to honor King David, and began making plans to open a museum a stone's throw from the Temple Mount, which King David bought for 50 pieces of gold and prepared for his son, King Solomon, to build the Temple." Visitors to the museum are immediately transported to Davidic times, with tour guides dressed in traditional Temple-era clothing and mannequins on display to show the biblically-mandated garments of the High Priest and assistant priests. Quiet Revolution Museum officials say the center will help revolutionize more than the way Jews and Israelis think about King David. They hope it will inspire visitors to consider their relationships not only to King David, but to Judaism itself. "The King David Dynasty has a special role in helping the Jewish nation understand they are not just Israelis," says Roth. "They are Jews. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080402/4712b5a2/attachment.html From smathe at dslextreme.com Wed Apr 2 23:38:33 2008 From: smathe at dslextreme.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:38:33 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Looking for Hebrew Gospel studies Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080402/78cf9b45/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Thu Apr 3 20:12:57 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:12:57 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] This Passover help these Israeli children with a breathing device - donate one dollar Message-ID: <001b01c895f1$04ed32d0$643c66c9@bettygivin> Dear friends, This hit very close to home as 18 years ago this summer, two babies in our family were born with cystic fibrosis and their mothers became very familiar with the long involved breathing treatments necessary to help these little ones breathe. I count my daughters, Kim and Amy, as well as any mother of a child who lovingly cares for a child with CF as a special heroine. Their love and compassion and dedication to their children is immeasurable. Actually Kim's Joshua contracted another illness which cost him his life, and he only lived to be three and one-half years old, but everyone who met him would have to agree that he brought an extra special blessing of love to every heart that he touched. He loved Passover, and going out with the children to look for Elijah, whom he called "Eh-e-ah-hu. In fact, after Passover was over, he wanted to go outside every Sabbath after Havdalah to look for him, and then every night.There is a beautiful story to tell, but I don't want to go on too much because this is of course a very sensitive, painful and bitter sweet subject; and I don't want to embarrass Kim or share more than I should. But I just couldn't let this plea pass by without sharing it. Next month, Amy's little one, Little Larry, who is really no longer little, will be graduating from high school, G-d willing! Perhaps some of you might be moved to give a few dollars to help these beautiful innocent children to have a chance at life. Love and Blessings to all, Betty/Elisheva _____ From: Arutz-7 Mailing [mailto:mailing at IsraelNN.com] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:50 AM To: bkgivin at charter.net Subject: This Passover help these Israeli children with a breathing device - donate one dollar For further details one can call Chana Unger in Brooklyn at 718-437-6277 Go to https://www.charitybox.com/afocl/ to find out more info or contribute on line Passover - a breathing device - and the air of freedom During this Passover let us not forget those kids who don't take each and every breath of air for granted. Like the flame that cannot flicker without air, so these children in Israel afflicted with cystic fibrosis cannot survive without oxygen. We at The Chaim Layeled Organization in Bnei Brak, who provide for the medical and emotional needs of over two hundred of these children, turn to you to help us buy a revolutionary breathing device, E-Flow-rapid, that reduces a breathing session from 45 minutes to 20 minutes. A C.F. child is required to make use of an inhaling machine between 2 to 4 times a day. This revolutionary inhaler is light-weight and mobile. It allows freedom of movement not thought of before. A child can go to school like other youngsters. He can travel long distances including taking international flights. He is freed from imprisonment - a tremendous psychological and physical boost for himself and his family in his ongoing battle for survival. Due to the present economic situation in Israel we have been inundated with requests to supply the device. The cost of the machine is $1,000 apiece. If each person of a congregation of 200 members donates just one dollar we have one fifth of a new device. Since the Israeli Sick Funds do not participate at all in its acquisition, let us breathe into these children at the seder table the air of freedom - a ray of hope of a new tomorrow - that will enable him to say Shecheyinu V'kiyimanu V'higiyanu l'zman ha'zeh. Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080403/a296bea4/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 26089 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080403/a296bea4/attachment.jpe From YoungBarzel at aol.com Thu Apr 3 23:21:50 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 00:21:50 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] MUST SEE!!! Video about Pesah ('Passover') Message-ID: Shalom Chaverim Yikarim, Sorry that I haven't been able to write much lately - it's the annual nonprofit budget cycle/try to save your job time (no exaggeration.), but I saw this video you HAVE to see. It's from Israeli TV, and is 6 minutes long, but worth MORE then the famous movie, The Ten Commandments. Ignore the first 15 seconds of a cheesie commercial about an Israeli TV show, then sit back and watch - turn the speakers UP!!!! Just click on the link below that says Flix, with all the ??? in front of it. Let me know how you like it!! _Click here: ????? ????? - Flix Video_ (http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2237131) B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080404/9b513a91/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Fri Apr 4 17:57:18 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:57:18 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] MUST SEE!!! Video about Pesah ('Passover') In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HANOCH, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH! Pat From: YoungBarzel at aol.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:21 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] MUST SEE!!! Video about Pesah ('Passover') Shalom Chaverim Yikarim, Sorry that I haven't been able to write much lately - it's the annual nonprofit budget cycle/try to save your job time (no exaggeration.), but I saw this video you HAVE to see. It's from Israeli TV, and is 6 minutes long, but worth MORE then the famous movie, The Ten Commandments. Ignore the first 15 seconds of a cheesie commercial about an Israeli TV show, then sit back and watch - turn the speakers UP!!!! Just click on the link below that says Flix, with all the ??? in front of it. Let me know how you like it!! Click here: ????? ????? - Flix Video B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Planning your summer road trip? 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080405/bf51f881/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Sat Apr 5 09:40:42 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 10:40:42 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Palestinians Continue to Think It's 1948 Message-ID: Is not the Palestinian claim to "Right of Return" far less valid than the Ephraimite's? Ephraim would build up and support Israel, not try to annihilate it. Does Israel's existence hang in the balance of Ephraimite Repentance? Pat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Palestinians Continue to Think It's 1948 by Asaf Romirowsky Jewish Exponent April 3, 2008 http://www.meforum.org/article/1876 The Palestinian narrative sees Israel's 1948 War of Independence as the al Naqba -- "the catastrophe." The birth of a sovereign Jewish state is perceived to be the root of all evil because this supposedly solidified how the small Jewish community robbed the Palestinians of their land. That is the recurring mantra found in Arab historiography -- a hypersensitive focus on discrimination and inequality. In general, Arab scholars tend to ignore the huge corpus of materials found in the archives on the war and zoom in on what are legitimate or illegitimate claims, using U.N. resolutions as the be all and end all. Here we are, on the eve of Israel's 60th anniversary, and the Palestinians are still the only nationality that identifies and defines itself by its refugee status. Since the end of World War II, there have been approximately 140 million refugees worldwide. All have been assimilated with the exception of one -- the Palestinians. Ergo, as long the Palestinian refugee problem exists, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will continue. And now, in order to illustrate how long the Palestinians have suffered, the Palestinian Authority has embarked on a new initiative to commemorate Israel's 60th anniversary by calling on all Palestinians living in the Diaspora to converge on Israel by land, sea and air to forcefully implement the Palestinian "right of return." The design -- drawn by Ziad Abu Ein, a senior Fatah operative and deputy minister for prisoners' affairs in the P.A. -- states that the Palestinians have decided to implement U.N. Resolution 194, calling for a right of return for all Palestinian refugees. The proposal of this plan now -- notwithstanding if this ever came to fruition -- is clearly geared toward embarrassing and hurting Israel during the anniversary celebrations by highlighting the right of return and, in essence, motivating Palestinians to act out against Israel by any means possible. Article 11 of the resolution, passed in December 1948, states that "refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the governments or authorities responsible." Path to Destruction In reality, what is, of course, ignored is the desire to live in peace; moreover, what's not mentioned is the fact that the right of return calls for 4.25 million Palestinian Arabs -- refugees of the 1948-9 war and their descendants -- to immigrate to Israel, turning the Jewish majority in that country into a minority and ending Jewish self-determination in a sovereign state. In other words, its exercise can have only one result: the end of the Jewish state. (Talking about issues of "rights" enables academics and certain policymakers to avoid saying this in too blunt a fashion.) Overall, this discussion on the right of return is based on a highly specific reading of history -- one that assumes an Israeli responsibility for creating the refugee problem via what they're calling "ethnic cleansing." Restitution from the allegedly guilty party involves the return of the refugees and their descendants. Finally, the Palestinians -- 60 years after the modern State of Israel was established -- instead of searching for paths for peace, are searching for paths of destruction. Distorting empirical history to discover alleged rights manages to create an ongoing, unjustified animosity toward Israel, and continues to lead even well-meaning Palestinians down a path of false hopes built on false foundations. 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Dick L ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Robbins To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: [Dialogue] To Dialogue I noted that the two previous notes I sent to Dialogue were addressed "to: Marvin at dialogue. Not sure how or why that is happening, but think I have corrected the problem. This is a test. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080405/e5c4f837/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Fri Apr 4 17:20:48 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:20:48 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] PETRA - ABSOLUTELY SENSATIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS !!! Message-ID: These photos of Petra are truly amazing! ~ Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you arrive early you will find lots of nice restaurants and other shops all around the hotel. The hotel has a private parking deck, no charge. I should point out that ALL the rooms are Suites will full kitchen (stove, refrigerator, mircowave, dishes), bedroom, bath, and sitting room with a couch that makes a bed, so if you want to shop at the nearby Harris Teeter or Earthfare for groceries you will have a way to store them and prepare food in your room if you so wish. Most of the rooms have balconies. They are really nice, as is the hotel and the location. Check-in time at the Doubletree is 3pm though in some cases they might allow for earlier if you check with them. We will endeavor to help people with transportation from the airport, so if you have not let us know your arrival time, please e-mail to me. So far we have 33 rooms booked :-) and the manager told me yesterday she was out of space. We are projecting our attendance around 100 or so. 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See you soon, Shavua tov, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of YoungBarzel at aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:22 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] MUST SEE!!! Video about Pesah ('Passover') Shalom Chaverim Yikarim, Sorry that I haven't been able to write much lately - it's the annual nonprofit budget cycle/try to save your job time (no exaggeration.), but I saw this video you HAVE to see. It's from Israeli TV, and is 6 minutes long, but worth MORE then the famous movie, The Ten Commandments. Ignore the first 15 seconds of a cheesie commercial about an Israeli TV show, then sit back and watch - turn the speakers UP!!!! Just click on the link below that says Flix, with all the ??? in front of it. Let me know how you like it!! Click here: ????? ????? - Flix Video B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... _____ Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080405/80c029ec/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sat Apr 5 21:48:53 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:48:53 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] The UIWU Meeting Next Weekend in Charlotte: An Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002f01c89790$c030d650$643c66c9@bettygivin> Thanks, James! Yes, it looks like it will truly be a historical meeting this time! Appreciate all your hard work! Shavua tov...can hardly wait to bring in the Sabbath together with everyone next Friday evening! Love and Blessings, Betty/Elisheva -----Original Message----- From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of James Tabor Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:09 AM To: UI List; dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Cc: Joe Good; Jacobovici Simcha; Tyler David; Austin Nicole; Bishop Sheila; Tyler Patty; Roth Susan; Rudy Rempel; Art Fritog; J. Hulley Subject: [Dialogue] The UIWU Meeting Next Weekend in Charlotte: An Update Dear friends, I am attaching a slightly revised, updated, version of the Program for next week. There still might be some changes and adjustments, but if you come to the Doubletree Hotel by 5pm you can join us from the beginning and pick the final printed version of the Program. We will gather in the Barringer meeting room. If you arrive early you will find lots of nice restaurants and other shops all around the hotel. The hotel has a private parking deck, no charge. I should point out that ALL the rooms are Suites will full kitchen (stove, refrigerator, mircowave, dishes), bedroom, bath, and sitting room with a couch that makes a bed, so if you want to shop at the nearby Harris Teeter or Earthfare for groceries you will have a way to store them and prepare food in your room if you so wish. Most of the rooms have balconies. They are really nice, as is the hotel and the location. Check-in time at the Doubletree is 3pm though in some cases they might allow for earlier if you check with them. We will endeavor to help people with transportation from the airport, so if you have not let us know your arrival time, please e-mail to me. So far we have 33 rooms booked :-) and the manager told me yesterday she was out of space. We are projecting our attendance around 100 or so. I truly believe this meeting will turn out to be an historic one. Shabbat Shalom, James Tabor From bkgivin at charter.net Sat Apr 5 21:54:43 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:54:43 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Fw: Walk The Land In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003601c89791$9175aec0$643c66c9@bettygivin> What a beautifully done video, Pat! I am going to share it with our rabbi here. Thanks so much for passing it along to us! Love, Betty/Elisheva _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Pat Robbins Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:53 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Fw: Walk The Land http://www.walktheland.org/israel_video _____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080405/52ff0e29/attachment.html From RNDAVAR at aol.com Sat Apr 5 21:55:48 2008 From: RNDAVAR at aol.com (RNDAVAR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:55:48 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] The UIWU Meeting Next Weekend in Charlotte: An Update Message-ID: Dear James and all, I am very excited about the upcoming conference! This looks absolutely amazing. If anyone is still trying to decide whether or not they can make it.....I hope that you do everything in your power to make the trip. For those that have been, expect more than ever before and for those that have not attended one of these conferences, you should make every effort to be at this one. We have always had a wonderful time. The lectures as well as the "off time" are filled with some of the best conversations one can imagine about so many Biblically related topics. This year looks to be among the best ever. I am amazed at the line up. This is going to be such an incredible conference, people will be talking about it for years. The Roots of Faith crowd will be driving nearly 13 hours in a rented 15 passenger van scheduled to arrive Friday afternoon. I really hope to meet some of those who have become part of the "Synagogue without Walls". Ross K. Nichols _www.RootsofFaith.org_ (http://www.rootsoffaith.org/) **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080405/4ec0f6e6/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 22:17:44 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:17:44 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] MUST SEE!!! Video about Pesah ('Passover') In-Reply-To: <002a01c89790$32cbc900$643c66c9@bettygivin> References: <002a01c89790$32cbc900$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804052017g1d0c2c14m8deda6428f130ee4@mail.gmail.com> Thanks again, Hanoch! Skipper is wanting to watch this over and over again. He's probably seen it at least 20 times already. Kim On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Betty Givin wrote: > Loved it!!! So moving!!! Thank-you Hanoch so much. Hope you had a > wonderful Shabbat filled with blessings! See you soon, > > > > Shavua tov, > > > > Elisheva/Betty > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *YoungBarzel at aol.com > *Sent:* Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:22 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* [Dialogue] MUST SEE!!! Video about Pesah ('Passover') > > > > Shalom Chaverim Yikarim, > > > > Sorry that I haven't been able to write much lately - it's the annual > nonprofit budget cycle/try to save your job time (no exaggeration.), but I > saw this video you HAVE to see. It's from Israeli TV, and is 6 minutes > long, but worth MORE then the famous movie, *The Ten Commandments. *Ignore > the first 15 seconds of a cheesie commercial about an Israeli TV show, then > sit back and watch - turn the speakers UP!!!! Just click on the link below > that says Flix, with all the ??? in front of it. > > > > Let me know how you like it!! > > > > Click here: ????? ????? - Flix Video > > > > B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, > > * Hanoch **the Lil Lion of Judah > **Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...* > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides > . > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080405/4eeb0525/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sat Apr 5 22:59:50 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:59:50 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Rosh Chodesh Tonight: New Moon Prayer Message-ID: <006c01c8979a$a99bd8e0$643c66c9@bettygivin> Dear Friends, Sorry to be sending this out at the 11th hour, but I thought that some of you might want to pray this special prayer tonight, or even tomorrow as it will still be the first day of the New Moon celebrating the beginning of Nissan. This prayer seems especially appropriate at this time as we are prayerfully anticipating and asking for HaShem's Presence and Guidance in our upcoming UIWU meeting. I know that James had sent out a post regarding the Hand Against the Throne.what better prayer to pray than this one? Each time I read the words, I am again moved.for they are timeless and are filled with such power! Take a look and see what you think. Love and Blessings, Elisheva/Betty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080405/c96ffc7e/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: UI-NewMoon_prayer.rtf Type: application/msword Size: 8453 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080405/c96ffc7e/attachment.dot From bkgivin at charter.net Sat Apr 5 23:06:37 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:06:37 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] PETRA - ABSOLUTELY SENSATIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS !!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007801c8979b$9c87f520$643c66c9@bettygivin> Absolutely breathtaking! I would like to find out more about the people that did the carvings! This is after all land that truly belongs to Eretz Yisrael. Thanks so much Pat, for sending, Love and Blessings, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Pat Robbins Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:21 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] PETRA - ABSOLUTELY SENSATIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS !!! These photos of Petra are truly amazing! ~ Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080406/d20d7d4f/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sun Apr 6 00:05:52 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 00:05:52 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Netanyahu Quote In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c897a3$e3914130$643c66c9@bettygivin> Pat, this quote is phenomenal! It pretty much sums it all up, says it all.how could anyone argue with it? Thanks so much for sending, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Pat Robbins Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:51 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Netanyahu Quote 'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel' - BB. (Benjamin Netanyahu) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080406/8536b29a/attachment.html From shcole1 at cox.net Sun Apr 6 09:08:58 2008 From: shcole1 at cox.net (sherry cole) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:08:58 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] MUST SEE!!! Video about Pesah ('Passover') In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Shalom hanoch, Wow , what a moving video! Thanks. Blessings, Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: YoungBarzel at aol.com To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: [Dialogue] MUST SEE!!! Video about Pesah ('Passover') Shalom Chaverim Yikarim, Sorry that I haven't been able to write much lately - it's the annual nonprofit budget cycle/try to save your job time (no exaggeration.), but I saw this video you HAVE to see. It's from Israeli TV, and is 6 minutes long, but worth MORE then the famous movie, The Ten Commandments. Ignore the first 15 seconds of a cheesie commercial about an Israeli TV show, then sit back and watch - turn the speakers UP!!!! Just click on the link below that says Flix, with all the ??? in front of it. Let me know how you like it!! Click here: ????? ????? - Flix Video B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Planning your summer road trip? 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Change Is In The Air By HaRav Ariel Bar Tzadok. Copyright (C) 2008 by Ariel Bar Tzadok. All rights reserved. 167 forever! Change is in the air; soon it will be on the ground. Change can be either good or bad and it can be a combination of the two. Usually the later is truer than the former. Yes, you can influence change, but only to a point. Some things are entirely in your hands and some things are entirely out of your hands. So, what is my point in sharing with you all this that you already know? Simple, I just want you to prepare yourselves for things that are coming and will soon be with us. Am I so wrong in advising you to "get ready"? Pesah is coming in a few weeks. Torah faithful Jews around the world will make every effort to ensure that they are ready to observe a hametz free holiday. Mashiah is also coming, how soon is anyone's guess. How many Torah faithful Jews (and others) are making every effort to ensure that they are free from spiritual hametz (misdeeds) so that they will be able to welcome the coming King upon his inevitable arrival? Redemption is a long drawn out process. Rome was not built in a day and redemption does not come to Israel any quicker. Natural laws direct the flow and course of human events as much as these laws control everything on Earth. Changes occur slowly over great stretches of time. Yet, when the moment of change comes, then everything that has been wound-up for so long suddenly unwinds in a flash, creating havoc in its way. Yet, with the unwinding and havoc of the one comes something new and better. From the fallen broken pieces a new world is built, new and better. Something good is coming; yet before it comes something worse will occur. This is the nature of things. This is no prophecy because it is natural law, and remember; natural law and Divine law are one. Nations seldom change the world; national leaders do this more than the nations they represent. The world is often changed by simple single individuals who, in the act of the moment, can influence and change things for everyone, everywhere. It does not take a nation to change the world; it only takes a single person of courage. Change is coming. Will you flow with it or resist against it? This has always been the age-old question. What do you think? Are you a person who can change the world, or are you just one of the masses who is changed by the world? I say you are the former. I say that you can change the world. The first one however that disagrees with me on this is usually you! If I tell you how much you can accomplish through sheer will-power, you tell me that I do not know or understand. But, I do know and I do understand. I know you have a power within you far greater than you think. What will it take for you to use it is something that only Heaven knows. Heaven directs your progress and destiny as a human being. Do you recognize the direction that Heaven places upon your heart? Probably not! Do you care that you may be spiritually blind? Probably not. Are you willing to make the sacrifice, financial and otherwise to live up to the Divine command? Probably not! Do you simply want to be left alone to do your work and then relax all that you wish? Probably so! The new month of Nisan is upon us. Pesah is right around the corner. Changes are already under way. Do not wonder as to what I am so mysteriously referring to. I insinuate nothing. Just remember this; we all have a spark of Mashiah within us. Unleash the Mashiah within yourself and maybe, just maybe, we might build a critical mass to enable Mashiah to be unleashed upon the world. You can do this, that is, if you're not too busy or otherwise occupied. The choice, as always is ours. Mind you, each of us also has a spark of the Armilus (Satan incarnate) within us. Continue to ignore the inner Mashiah and the inner Armilus grows in strength. Inevitably the release of his energy will also reach critical mass and he will soon be unleashed upon the world. Indeed, he is already taking form and wrecking havoc. You can contribute to prevent this, that is, if you're not too busy or otherwise occupied. Change is coming. Watch for the big bangs. Yet, prior to the bangs, there is always smoke. Remember this, where there is smoke there is NOT always fire. Sometimes smoke is used as a cover-up. When there is smoke, something is hiding in it. Look for it, if you care enough. Please forgive my wasting your time, if you don't. --------------------------------------------------- Shalom, Ariel Bar Tzadok **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone is still trying to decide whether or > not they can make it.....I hope that you do everything in your power > to make the trip. > > For those that have been, expect more than ever before and for those > that have not attended one of these conferences, you should make > every effort to be at this one. > > We have always had a wonderful time. The lectures as well as the > "off time" are filled with some of the best conversations one can > imagine about so many Biblically related topics. > > This year looks to be among the best ever. I am amazed at the line > up. This is going to be such an incredible conference, people will > be talking about it for years. > > The Roots of Faith crowd will be driving nearly 13 hours in a rented > 15 passenger van scheduled to arrive Friday afternoon. I really > hope to meet some of those who have become part of the "Synagogue > without Walls". > > Ross K. Nichols > www.RootsofFaith.org > > > > > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080406/f5b37b4f/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Sun Apr 6 11:44:40 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:44:40 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Hatikva as never before! Message-ID: Subject: Hatikva as never before! http://www.franckyperez.com/video.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pack up or back up-use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080406/6d7d4621/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sun Apr 6 13:07:03 2008 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:07:03 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Discounted Tickets for the "Exodus Decoded" Event Sunday, April 13th Message-ID: <0ADF2EF9-B5DF-4385-8161-245848A8F27E@earthlink.net> I have been able to arrange with the Jewish Community Center a special discounted ticket price for the Sunday night Director's Screening of the film, "The Exodus Decoded" with Simcha Jacobovici--see attached brochure. Regular prices are: $10 prepaid; $15 at the door; and $5 seniors and students. If you are attending our UIWU meeting at the Doubletree Hotel over the weekend we have arranged for everyone in our group to come as my guest for the price of $5.00. You do not need to pay in advance, you can pay at the door, however, you do need to call this number: 704-944-6763 (Director Amalia), and put your name on a reservations list as "Special Guest of James Tabor" for the Exodus film on April 13th. When you arrive they can then check off your name and you can get in for just $5.00. If you get voice mail at the number it is fine to leave a message with your names, no need to talk directly to Amalia, so you can call really anytime, after hours or whenever is convenient for you. Speakers at our conference are already covered and do not need to call, but any family or guests would need to give their names. Please try to call as soon as possible so the JCC can complete its planning in terms of how many to expect. The event includes refreshments after the program. James Tabor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And just the fact that many of us are even involved with this prophetic movement signals that we, as individuals, are no strangers to change. I think if we are honest, most of us have a hard time with change, for when it comes, it usually "rocks the boat." But in my experience, the boat needed to be rocked, and the resulting benefits for me have been and continue to be invaluable. This article reminded me of the tradition in Judaism that teaches the two-pronged tenet: I am but dust and ashes (Genesis 18:27) - (as in our New Moon Prayer) and For my sake the world was created (Sanhedrin 37A) Most of us probably don't have a problem with understanding the "dust and ashes" part.at least I don't. It is the other where the difficulty lies for most of us; and this may be due for the most part to our former upbringing ( the ones who were brought up in Christianity, anyway) with its emphasis on meekness which is often improperly equated with humility. To say that "for my sake the world was created," in its true sense, is not a selfish statement; for it does not mean that the world was created to serve us, but rather that we were created for avodah or service. Dr. Ron Wolfson in his book, "God's To Do List," puts it this way. He says, "Each person has a unique role to play, a particular set of gifts and abilities to make a difference in the world. No one else can make your contribution but you. You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person. You matter. "Being responsible for a whole world is a pretty tall order.' Yes, but don't be overwhelmed. All God really wants you to do is to understand your real purpose and act on it. There is a saying: The day is short and the task is great. It is not up to you to complete the work, but get in there; because you are not free to desist from it. (from Sayings of the Ancestors 2:15-16) These are wise words and seem to go along with Rabbi Tzadok's timely admonition in this article. Coming right before Pesach, which is traditionally the time of preparation and "spring cleaning," both our hearts and our homes, let us prepare our hearts and minds to both listen and heed to whatever call is placed upon us, as individuals, and as a group; and let us fight with all our might against the yetzer hara, the evil inclination, within us.that the yetzer ha tov may reign true! We all may have our individual battles to face and they may come to a head this week, as we are attempting to "do the good," but let us each keep encouraging one another so that those G-d given "sparks" will remain alive and shining brightly, so that when we come together as a group, we will represent one big light, and be able to accomplish what HaShem has in mind for us to accomplish not only this coming weekend (Shabbat HaGadol!) but this coming year! We are so blessed to have such a varied and multi-talented group of godly men and women who love the G-d of Israel, Torah, the Land and its people who will be speaking to us this weekend. May HaShem bless each of our speakers with a special anointing as they prayerfully make their preparations for the messages they will bring to the conference; and may HaShem bless all of us with open hearts to receive. May His Presence be strong, and may we be strong and be encouraged! Chazak! Chazak! As our beloved David Horowitz used to say, Shalom! Shalom! Elisheva/Betty _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080406/77329be1/attachment.html From ROSS.NICHOLS at GAPAC.com Sun Apr 6 13:42:12 2008 From: ROSS.NICHOLS at GAPAC.com (Nichols, Ross K.) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:42:12 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] The conference Message-ID: Well I know I wrote this yesterday, but I have the strongest sense that this year's conference will prove to be the best conference yet! I am looking forward to the whole weekend; the 12 hour trip in the van with our local group (+ Kim) to the interesting topics delivered by some of the best and most challenging speakers on the planet, to several fun-filled and insightful evenings of fellowship, study and music. I always enjoy spending time with those that gather for such times of refreshing. I greatly anticipate seeing some old friends, but am just as excited about meeting some of you for the first time. The hardest part of this weekend will be leaving. I REALLY want to encourage any of you who are considering a last minute trip to decide in favor of making it. I can hardly wait! I am at the baseball field. Zachariah played all day yesterday and we have one game today. I have my Bibles with me and am studying for my topic-Mahanaim - Two camps. I am anxious to share this vital message next weekend. Tonight, I am teaching part two of my Messiah class. I hope that some of you will be able to listen in. Shalom from sunny Louisiana, from the ballpark. Ross From bkgivin at charter.net Sun Apr 6 13:57:59 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:57:59 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] The conference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00c601c89818$220e78f0$643c66c9@bettygivin> Dear Ross, I am so glad that you wrote again because it gives me the chance to as well! I feel much the same as you do. Our times together are always so very special! I too want to encourage anyone whose heart is pulling you to come to do so! You will not be sorry! I look forward to seeing and hearing what you have to share (as well as all the other speakers) and I pray that the Presence of HaShem will be strong and mighty upon you as you speak! I am so excited that Kim has been blessed with the opportunity to come with your local group! Your people have been so gracious to her and I know that she is so very grateful to have a ride. I am looking forward to a first hand report on all the wonderful topics of discussion on the way up and back. Love and Shalom, Betty/Elisheva -----Original Message----- From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Nichols, Ross K. Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 1:42 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org; uilist at unitedisrael.org Subject: [Dialogue] The conference Well I know I wrote this yesterday, but I have the strongest sense that this year's conference will prove to be the best conference yet! I am looking forward to the whole weekend; the 12 hour trip in the van with our local group (+ Kim) to the interesting topics delivered by some of the best and most challenging speakers on the planet, to several fun-filled and insightful evenings of fellowship, study and music. I always enjoy spending time with those that gather for such times of refreshing. I greatly anticipate seeing some old friends, but am just as excited about meeting some of you for the first time. The hardest part of this weekend will be leaving. I REALLY want to encourage any of you who are considering a last minute trip to decide in favor of making it. I can hardly wait! I am at the baseball field. Zachariah played all day yesterday and we have one game today. I have my Bibles with me and am studying for my topic-Mahanaim - Two camps. I am anxious to share this vital message next weekend. Tonight, I am teaching part two of my Messiah class. I hope that some of you will be able to listen in. Shalom from sunny Louisiana, from the ballpark. Ross From youngbarzel at aol.com Sun Apr 6 16:28:48 2008 From: youngbarzel at aol.com (youngbarzel at aol.com) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:28:48 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Hatikva as never before! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA6644560FD786-12D4-1B77@WEBMAIL-MC12.sysops.aol.com> Hey Pat - ??? Thanks for passing this on, I had just seen it the other day and thought it was really cool.? Even though I don't speak French...I still it's great - thanks again! ??? Best regards, ??????? Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... -----Original Message----- From: Pat Robbins To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:44 pm Subject: [Dialogue] Hatikva as never before! Subject: Hatikva as never before! ? http://www.franckyperez.com/video.html Pack up or back up?use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080406/191c4461/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sun Apr 6 22:47:45 2008 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 23:47:45 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] An Academic Evaluation of the Talpiot Tomb Statistics Message-ID: At long last, just over a year after the initial publicity over the Talpiot ?Jesus Family Tomb,? the formal paper of Prof. Andrey Feuerverger of the University of Toronto has appeared in The Annals of Applied Statistics, the academic journal of the Institute of Mathematical Statistics (Vol. 2, no. 1, March, 2008). Feuerverger?s paper, titled ?Statistical Analysis of an Archaeological Find,? runs 51 pages with notes and bibliography. It is introduced by editor Stephen E. Fienberg and followed by nearly 100 pages of material from ten professional respondents. Feuerverger then offers a dozen page Rejoinder. Fortunately, for those not near a research library the entire issue, devoted to this subject, is available on the Web through Project Euclid. This article should put to rest the many spurious claims that Feuerverger subsequently recanted his views on the probabilities of the Talpiot Tomb belonging to Jesus of Nazareth and his family, most recently repeated by Thomas Madden on the National Review Web site over Easter. It will also show the complete inaccuracy of the assertion made by a number of scholars following the January Princeton Seminar conference in Jerusalem that ?A statistical analysis of the relatively common names engraved on the ossuaries leaves no doubt that the probability of the Talpiot tomb belonging to Jesus? family is virtually nil if the Mariamene named on one of the ossuaries is not Mary Magdalene.? This is decidedly not the case, as Randy Ingermanson quickly pointed out on the Duke Web site: ?I am no fan of the Talpiot tomb, but I do not agree with this part of the statement?I have studied Andrey Feuerverger?s statistical analysis in great detail and have done several computations of my own. It is not correct to say that the probability is ?virtually nil? if you get rid of the Mary Magdalene hypothesis?The fact is that if you read the Mariamenou inscription as ?just another Mary,? then Feuerverger?s calculations lose ?statistical significance.? But they most likely still lead to a fairly high probability for the authenticity of the tomb? ? Based on the calculations of Elliot and Kilty, whose paper can be downloaded from the Web, and as discussed by Camil Fuchs, who along with Andrey Feuerverger, sat on the panel at the Jerusalem conference dealing with statistics, the name cluster, even leaving Mariamene out entirely, with no assumptions regarding Mary Magdalene, show a probability factor of .48. This result is far from ?virtually nil,? in fact it is very close to 1/2, meaning if we had two tombs to examine, one of them would be the Jesus tomb. Both Ingermanson and Fuchs are among the respondents to the published Feuerverger paper. It now appears, with Feuerverger?s paper in print, that we have finally reached the point where a more responsible and accurate discussion of the Talpiot tomb name frequencies and statistics can take place. We can at least say that anyone who asserts ?the names are common,? as a way of dismissing the evidence, is either completely ignorant of what we now know, or uninterested in an informed and truly academic discussion. I want to commend Prof. Feuerverger for his thorough work and his doggedness over the past months to remain professional and take the high road academically when so much was being published about him and his views that was so totally inaccurate and even slanderous. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080406/769441eb/attachment.html From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Sun Apr 6 22:54:41 2008 From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:54:41 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Need ride early Friday morning Message-ID: <200804070354.m373saW1029764@mail2535.carrierzone.com> Friends, Is anyone arriving early AM Friday? I would appreciate a ride to the hotel. Thanks in advance, Steve From bkgivin at charter.net Mon Apr 7 00:50:29 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 00:50:29 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] An Academic Evaluation of the Talpiot Tomb Statistics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003c01c89873$499e47f0$643c66c9@bettygivin> Very interesting report, James. I think it would be accurate to say that the good professor, Prof. Feuerverger, in his unwavering professionalism has something in common with another professor that we know. In taking the "high road academically when so much was being published about him and his views that was so totally inaccurate and even slanderous," both of you managed to keep to maintain your high standards of integrity. You both deserve our congratulations and our respect. Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of James Tabor Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 10:48 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] An Academic Evaluation of the Talpiot Tomb Statistics At long last, just over a year after the initial publicity over the Talpiot "Jesus Family Tomb," the formal paper of Prof. Andrey Feuerverger of the University of Toronto has appeared in The Annals of Applied Statistics, the academic journal of the Institute of Mathematical Statistics (Vol. 2, no. 1, March, 2008). Feuerverger's paper, titled "Statistical Analysis of an Archaeological Find," runs 51 pages with notes and bibliography. It is introduced by editor Stephen E. Fienberg and followed by nearly 100 pages of material from ten professional respondents. Feuerverger then offers a dozen page Rejoinder. Fortunately, for those not near a research library the entire issue, devoted to this subject, is available on the Web through Project Euclid. This article should put to rest the many spurious claims that Feuerverger subsequently recanted his views on the probabilities of the Talpiot Tomb belonging to Jesus of Nazareth and his family, most recently repeated by Thomas Madden on the National Review Web site over Easter. It will also show the complete inaccuracy of the assertion made by a number of scholars following the January Princeton Seminar conference in Jerusalem that "A statistical analysis of the relatively common names engraved on the ossuaries leaves no doubt that the probability of the Talpiot tomb belonging to Jesus' family is virtually nil if the Mariamene named on one of the ossuaries is not Mary Magdalene." This is decidedly not the case, as Randy Ingermanson quickly pointed out on the Duke Web site: "I am no fan of the Talpiot tomb, but I do not agree with this part of the statement.I have studied Andrey Feuerverger's statistical analysis in great detail and have done several computations of my own. It is not correct to say that the probability is "virtually nil" if you get rid of the Mary Magdalene hypothesis.The fact is that if you read the Mariamenou inscription as "just another Mary," then Feuerverger's calculations lose "statistical significance." But they most likely still lead to a fairly high probability for the authenticity of the tomb. " Based on the calculations of Elliot and Kilty, whose paper can be downloaded from the Web, and as discussed by Camil Fuchs, who along with Andrey Feuerverger, sat on the panel at the Jerusalem conference dealing with statistics, the name cluster, even leaving Mariamene out entirely, with no assumptions regarding Mary Magdalene, show a probability factor of .48. This result is far from "virtually nil," in fact it is very close to 1/2, meaning if we had two tombs to examine, one of them would be the Jesus tomb. Both Ingermanson and Fuchs are among the respondents to the published Feuerverger paper. It now appears, with Feuerverger's paper in print, that we have finally reached the point where a more responsible and accurate discussion of the Talpiot tomb name frequencies and statistics can take place. We can at least say that anyone who asserts "the names are common," as a way of dismissing the evidence, is either completely ignorant of what we now know, or uninterested in an informed and truly academic discussion. I want to commend Prof. Feuerverger for his thorough work and his doggedness over the past months to remain professional and take the high road academically when so much was being published about him and his views that was so totally inaccurate and even slanderous. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This has long been a key demand of the Palestinians, and the idea of dividing Israel's eternal capital has also been pushed by President Bush, the European Union and the United Nations. I will be in Israel this week and will be meeting with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. I would like very much to inform him that the Jerusalem Prayer Team members are staying united against Jerusalem being divided. If we do not speak out right now, it may soon be too late to keep Jerusalem united and in the hands of Israel. But I believe this tragedy can be averted if we speak out right now. Add your vote and your voice today. So far we have already received 148,000 names toward our 200,000 goal. You must understand that the key to Israel withstanding the pressure they are receiving from President Bush and the State Department is knowing that many Americans are on their side. They must know we will not turn our backs on them. They must know we will not sell out their capital for oil. They must know we will not abandon them to appease the terrorists. They can only know this if we tell them. I encourage you to forward this email to everyone on your personal mailing list. Urge your family members and friends to add their voices to this vital petition to keep Jerusalem secure and undivided. Sign the petition and cast your vote to preserve Jerusalem today. Your Ambassador to Jerusalem Dr. Michael Evans Your Jerusalem World News: www.myjwn.com Your Save Jerusalem Site: www.savejerusalem.org _____ Join the Jerusalem Prayer Team Now! Do not reply to this email. Please address email inquiries to jpteam at sbcglobal.net Jerusalem Prayer Team P.O. Box 210489 Bedford, TX 76095 FAX: 817-285-0962 1-800-825-3872 http://jerusalemprayerteam.org Dr. Tim LaHaye, Mrs. Anne Graham Lotz, Mr. Pat Boone, Mr. Bill McCartney, Ms. Kay Arthur, Rev. Tommy Tenney, Dr. A.R. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080408/1d068881/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Tue Apr 8 07:11:15 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:11:15 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] A way to help right before Pesah (Passover) Message-ID: Boker tov chaverim yikarim, With Pesah fast approaching, the human needs in Israel are ENORMOUS. With the myriad of charity' options, there are many choices. However, I think it would be particularly significant if each of us tried to make a small donation to help the besieged people of Sderot; whose children only have a 20 second warning signal before the next rocket strikes... You can do it via the link below.....please pass this on to anyone who cares for Israel....Toda! _Click here: One Family Fund_ (https://secure.onefamilyfund.org/?RID=W7E22) B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080408/1bcf4235/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Tue Apr 8 07:39:28 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:39:28 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] A very thought provoking article... Message-ID: Shalom v'boker tov! Below is an article that I found very thought provoking, particularly for some things that I've been thinking about, although I'll refrain from comments, and let you folks take a shot first, okay? B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... A 'birthright' for non-Jews? Rabbi Shmuley Boteach - Sunday, 6 April, 2008 >From _Jerusalem Post_ (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1207486206541&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull) (95 views, _Comment on this article_ (http://shmuley.com/addComment.php?id=621) ) (http://shmuley.com/articlePrint.php?id=621) (http://shmuley.com/articleEmail.php?id=621) (http://www.jpost.com/) A 'birthright' for non-Jews? ____________________________________ Shmuley Boteach , THE JERUSALEM POST Apr. 6, 2008 ____________________________________ We're now just a few weeks away from Israel turning 60 and the silence, outside anywhere but the Jewish community, is deafening. There was a lot more buildup for the opening of Heathrow's Terminal 5 than Israel's upcoming commemoration. Israel's monumental achievement, the fact that this tiny country with neighbors hell-bent on eliminating it, has somehow managed to survive, does not seem to be much of a story outside the Jewish world. Some would say that this is appropriate. Israel is, after all, a Jewish state. Why should anyone else care? But on another level, the fact that no one seems to be celebrating along with the Jews speaks volumes of our failure. Israel, it seems, has lost its ability to inspire all but Jews and evangelical Christians. These two groups see Israel's creation and survival as possessing world-historical meaning. But for the rest of the world, Israel is a country that is in the headlines because of bombs and battles. So, the world is saying, no offence to you Jews, but what does your anniversary have to do with us? But wait a second. The anniversary of the death of the great Martin Luther King, Jr. was commemorated this past Friday not just by African-Americans and not just in the United States but around the world, including Israel. The movement that King created, although focused primarily on the plight of blacks in the South, is seen as a global cry for freedom and justice. The civil rights movement portended an end to racism and irrational prejudice in every corner of the globe. Thus, it has significance for people everywhere. But was Zionism not once viewed in the same light? Was it not also a movement by an oppressed people, persecuted in every land in which they resided, to find a home where they could live in peace and freedom? Has it now become a movement that speaks to none but Jews alone? We Jews have unwittingly contributed to the insular and exclusivist mind-set that has made Israel a Jewish-only project. Sixty years into the project, we must start thinking differently. TWO GREAT mistakes have been made by the global Jewish community with regards to Israel. The first is to portray Israel as a modern entity with insufficient historical roots. The second is to portray Israel as a Jewish-only entity with little relevance to the rest of the world. Mistake number one is captured by a conversation that I had with a businessman who told me a few months back that he was concerned that Israel's emphasis on its 60th birthday might feed Arab propaganda that Israel is a modern entity, created by European-Jewish colonialists who usurped Arab land. Instead of calling this Israel's 60th birthday party, he argued, why not have a different motto along the lines of "Three Thousand Plus Sixty" that captures the uninterrupted nature of the Jewish people's attachment to its ancestral homeland? He has a point. Every few years, I travel to South Africa for book tours. Black South Africans, while incredibly loving and receptive to Jews, can be ambivalent about Israel. To them, Israelis seem like white people who colonized the darker-skinned inhabitants of a land not their own. The parallel to apartheid South Africa creates immediate sympathy for the Palestinian side. I respond by telling my African hosts that the parallel between the two stories is really the reverse. Like black Africans in their land, the Jews were the original people who inhabited ancient Israel. But then the Romans came, colonized the land, decimated the Jewish population, and exiled them to Europe and other parts of the Empire. But the Jews never lost a connection to their ancestral home, prayed every day to return, and a sizable Jewish minority remained even after the exile. Then, 2000 years later, when the opportunity and resources presented themselves, we began to reconstitute ourselves as a sovereign entity. Emphasizing Israel as being only 60 reinforces the view that the Jewish people's relationship with the land, rather than ancient in origin, is a modern phenomenon. THE SECOND mistake, of making Israel something of only Jewish concern, is captured in the most successful and visionary Jewish program of our time, Birthright Israel. Birthright is nothing short of a miracle, and one of the reasons that I so revere my dear friend Michael Steinhardt and his counterpart Charles Bronfman is their foresight in seeing just how inspirational the modern Jewish state could be to disaffected Jewish youth. But why stop there? Israel has the power to inspire non-Jewish youth as well. The Jews are history's most influential people, having given the modern world its three foundations: God (universal brotherhood), the Ten Commandments (law), and the Messiah (progress aimed at perfecting the world). Those ideas were all born in the very soil of Israel, the world epicenter of faith and spiritual transcendence. But that's not how the modern world sees it. India and Tibet have become the place of pilgrimage for Westerners seeking enlightenment. Just look at the level of sympathy the world rightly has for Tibet's struggle against China versus the seeming lack of sympathy for Israel's struggle against terrorism. That's because the world feels it has a stake in Tibet's welfare. The heroic Dalai Lama has successfully portrayed his homeland as a place from which light shines to the entire earth and not just Buddhists. Should we not portray Israel in the same authentic light? Of all the presents we can give Israel on its illustrious "3000 + 60 birthday," none would be more helpful than to inaugurate a Birthright for Non-Jewish Youth program that would seek to bring 50,000 non-Jewish students from around the world to Israel every year. Campuses are the places where Israel is most attacked in the West today. Why not expose non-Jewish students to how stirring Israel is and give them a stake in its future? I'm scheduled to be leading a press and media Birthright Trip to Israel for Mayanot this summer. So many of my non-Jewish colleagues in the media have practically begged me to attend. Birthright alumni from all over globe will tell you the same. Their non-Jewish friends are envious of the transformative trip to Israel which right now is the preserve of Jewish youth alone. As for the cost, churches all over the US would contribute, as would non-Jewish philanthropists and foundations sympathetic to Israel. And it would be the best PR Israel ever had. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080408/7b842ccc/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Tue Apr 8 07:46:06 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:46:06 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] "Where is American Jewry" But he means YOU TOO! Message-ID: Shalom - I will refrain from comments now due to time constraints, but wherever he writes "Jews" - think of yourselves, okay? B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... Where Is American Jewry? By Elyakim Haetzni, The Jewish Press Wednesday, March 26, 2008 Complaints we have in Israel against American Jews are not directed at the various George Soroses or Noam Chomskys, or at those Jews uninterested in the fate of the Jews in the Jewish state. We address our cries to those for whom Eretz Yisrael still holds a place in their hearts ? and to their organizations and institutions. We ask them the following: Where are you in our hour of need? Don?t you know that if we sink, the ground beneath your own feet will quake? Have you not yet learned that the very fact that the Jews have their own country has buttressed your status in the Diaspora? Until this very day you regret your silence during the Holocaust, which derived from your great admiration for President Franklin D. Roosevelt and from the fear of being accused of dual loyalties. Today when you weigh those fears against the annihilation of the millions, you see matters in their proper proportions. Yet today your conscience is called upon once more to make a similar decision ? albeit one much simpler, for today?s America is not like the anti-Semitic America of that time. Don?t you understand the danger looming over Israel? The entire world, led by the United States, is hunting Israel down to wrest from it Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria, the Land of the Bible ? its entire raison d?etre as a Jewish state. Don?t you see how the entire Negev and the country?s south are being shelled or are under threat of shelling from rockets and missiles as a result of the Gaza withdrawal, the destruction of dozens of settlements and the transformation of 10,000 Jews to refugee status? Did their outcry touch your heart? Do you hear today?s cries coming from Sderot and Ashkelon? Don?t you know that while the rockets are falling in the south, Syria and Hizbullah in Lebanon are preparing an attack from the north, and that at this moment tens of thousands of their missiles are aimed at the heart of our country? Take note that only the center of the country still enjoys calm. The only reason for that is that the army controls Judea and Samaria, and that is because there are hundreds of Jewish towns there (?the settlements,? in the language of our enemies). And now, the United States is pressuring your Jewish brethren in Israel to dispense with even that defense. President Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have sworn to establish a Palestinian terror state right next to Tel Aviv, Netanya, Hadera and Haifa before year?s end ? and toward that end, expel 300,000 of our Jewish brothers and sisters. And faced with all this, you remain silent? Worse, most of your organizations support this anti-Jewish, pro-Arab policy! Today, missiles are flying from the ruins of Gush Katif and landing in the Negev. On the day that missiles are being launched from the ruins of the Jewish towns in Samaria, please don?t say, ?We didn?t see. We didn?t hear. We didn?t know.? You knew very well! The Annapolis Conference, in which a blind, stumbling, defeatist Israeli government open to American pressure knowingly consented to commit national suicide, occurred in your country. Rice, whose total identification with Palestinian interests is patently obvious, is applauded by your audiences. And you call President Bush, the man with the ?vision? of a Palestinian state that will endanger every city and village in Israel, ?the greatest friend Israel ever had in the White House.? You say this when in reality (and history will be the judge) he is the first president openly and explicitly raising the demand and exerting heavy pressure to establish in our midst a devil, a dragon, a dybbuk ? in the form of an Islamic, Arabic, radical terrorist state called by the false name of ?Palestine.? That state would transform every day in the life of the Jewish state to Hell. And all this for the sake of a fictitious people and a fictitious land that never existed throughout history. Other voices in the Republican camp, namely Vice President Dick Cheney, senators and congressmen, have not enjoyed support from most of American Jewry, and have subsequently become silent. Quite the opposite, countless Jewish organizations have been supporting the Palestinian agenda. Many Jews in America have good reason to be embarrassed that the only organized American community supporting the rights of the Jewish people to its historic homeland in Judea and Samaria and its eternal capital, Jerusalem, consists of non-Jews. They are the Evangelical Christians. For Jews faithful to their patrimony, some Christian churches are more open today than many Jewish temples. Their organizations and media are more open to nationalistic Jews than are the mainstream Jewish establishment. They visit Hebron, Shiloh and Beit El ? places that many Jewish leaders stay away from. Everyone talks about the political power of American Jewry, but from here we see only the weakness and lockstep obedience to every presiding administration. We ask ourselves, ?Why do Christian pastors have no inhibitions about criticizing their president regarding his policy toward Israel, while Jewish rabbis wouldn?t dare?? Today, money is not the critical factor. It is political pressure capable of meeting the enormous Arab pressure. Regarding your historic omission during the Holocaust, when you failed to exercise your power as Queen Esther did in her time (ignoring the risk to her own life), you have tried to atone with money. Yet all the money in the world cannot bring back to life a single Jewish child. Even today, it is not money that can save us, but rather the political power that you are afraid to exercise. It looks like today, when the American Jewish community is flourishing as never before and enjoying the height of acceptance by the public at large, you do not feel secure enough; hence you are doing the only safe thing ? swimming with the flow and cheering on the regime, even at the expense of your besieged brethren in the Holy Land. I conclude with two requests: First, that those Jews who support the Palestinian line should at least not emphasize their Jewishness, and add the weight of their ?Jewish witnessing? to the brunt of pressure being applied on us. Second, that the not insignificant number of Jews who, like Mordechai in the Scroll of Esther, do not bow down before the president of the United States when he sets out to replace the vision of the prophets with the ?vision? of Palestine, should organize themselves and establish an organization paralleling the Jewish protest organizations that in Israel face off with the government and block with their bodies the slippery slide down the Palestinian slope. Today, like the air we breathe, we need an organized Jewish political force in the United States that, together with our non-Jewish friends in America and the Jewish nationalist camp in Israel, can breach the siege that is closing us off. Attorney Elyakim Haetzni, among Hebron?s original settlers, is a prominent publicist for Eretz Yisrael causes. _http://www.jewishpress.com/displaycontent_new.cfm?contentid=30911&mode=a§ ionid=15&contentname=Where_Is_American_Jewry%3F&recnum=4&subid=20500 _ (http://www.jewishpress.com/displaycontent_new.cfm?contentid=30911&mode=a§ionid=15&contentname=Where_Is_American_Jewry?&recnum=4&subid=20500) ============================================= Women For Israel's Tomorrow (Women in Green) POB 7352, Jerusalem 91072, Israel Tel: 972-2-624-9887 Fax: 972-2-624-5380 _mailto:wfit2 at womeningreen.org _ (mailto:wfit2 at womeningreen.org) _http://www.womeningreen.org _ (http://www.womeningreen.org/) **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080408/94e033ed/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 10:00:01 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:00:01 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] A very thought provoking article... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804080800s255cf9d0v6655a74671792138@mail.gmail.com> Hanoch, I agree with the two points. Israel should promote its birthday with a link to the past. Also opening up the programs for non-Jews would be a great first step. Israel needs to fulfill its purpose in being the "Light to the Nations". The time is now! Too tired to write more, but wanted to make an opening comment. I appreciate this article and the other that you send. Looking forward to seeing you (and everyone) Friday, G-d willing! Kim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080408/f11225fe/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue Apr 8 17:43:21 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:43:21 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Urgent Prayer Request! In-Reply-To: <8CA67D14F9D9B1F-10EC-A13@webmail-md01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006d01c899c9$f2883c70$643c66c9@bettygivin> Todah rabba, Hanoch, for letting us know about Naphtali Ben Gila, so that we can pray for him and ask others to join in. I just forwarded the email to the rabbi here at our synagogue, and will pass it on to others as well. The name Naphtali resonates within me, as several years ago, some of us were discussing the lost tribes, and made the connection that Naphtali and Dan were actually counted as Rachel's children as they were born "upon Rachel's knees" by her handmaiden Bilhah. In Jacob's blessing to his children in Genesis 49, he says of Naphtali that he is a "hind let loose," and that he "gives goodly words." In Moses blessing to the tribes in Deut 33, he says of Naphtali that he is "satisfied with favor," and full with the blessing of HaShem." May HaShem have mercy on this young man whose name is so deeply connected to Mother Rachel and carries with it such blessings; and may HaShem bless him with a refuah shlema (complete healing), so that he may continue in his young life to carry out these beautiful blessings. Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of youngbarzel at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:50 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Urgent Prayer Request! -------Original Message------- From: Chaim Richman Date: 08/04/2008 20:57:51 Subject: Urgent Prayer Request Must daven urgently for Naftali ben Gila, one of the students wounded in Mercaz HaRav whose condition is drastically worsening Please forward immediately to at least 5 people -- Rabbi Chaim Richman Director, International Department The Temple Institute PO Box 31876 Jerusalem, Israel www.templeinstitute.org _____ Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: youngbarzel at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:50 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Urgent Prayer Request! -------Original Message------- From: Chaim Richman Date: 08/04/2008 20:57:51 Subject: Urgent Prayer Request Must daven urgently for Naftali ben Gila, one of the students wounded in Mercaz HaRav whose condition is drastically worsening Please forward immediately to at least 5 people -- Rabbi Chaim Richman Director, International Department The Temple Institute PO Box 31876 Jerusalem, Israel www.templeinstitute.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080408/e213b0fc/attachment.html From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Tue Apr 8 23:53:24 2008 From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:53:24 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Urgent Prayer Request! In-Reply-To: <8CA67D14F9D9B1F-10EC-A13@webmail-md01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA67D14F9D9B1F-10EC-A13@webmail-md01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200804090453.m394rKc5025492@mail2516.carrierzone.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080408/3be84cf0/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Wed Apr 9 06:27:33 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 07:27:33 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] This asks a good question.... Message-ID: Shalom v'boker tov, The piece below asks a good question, and illustrates the attitudes of the current Hellenistic government. B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... Why can't Jews buy homes in Hebron? David Wilder April 08, 2008 (http://www.jpost.com/) Why can't Jews buy homes in Hebron? ____________________________________ David Wilder , THE JERUSALEM POST Apr. 8, 2008 ____________________________________ Many events, despite their joy and festivity, may also have bittersweet shadows lurking behind them. It is customary at every Jewish wedding, that under the huppa, or wedding canopy, the groom recites the words from Psalms 137:5-6: "If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget its cunning. Let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth, if I remember thee not; if I set not Jerusalem above my chiefest joy." In some traditions the groom also places ashes on his forehead, recalling the destruction of the second Temple, and breaks a glass as an expression of loss. Even on the happiest of occasions, we recall the depths of sorrow at the loss of our most significant national enterprises, Jerusalem and the Temple. ON THURSDAY night I attended a wedding. The daughter of one of Hebron's leaders was married in Jerusalem. As is wont at such weddings, the groom rubbed two sets of ashes on his forehead: ashes discovered in the Old City of Jerusalem, from the fire 2,000 years ago which destroyed the city, and also dust from Gush Katif, razed and obliterated almost three years ago, this summer. However, this past Thursday night had a particularly poignant significance. The groom was a graduate of Mercaz HaRav High School. He knew many of the young men killed there by an Arab terrorist just a few weeks ago. The night of his marriage was also the "shloshim" - the 30th day following the murders. That night there was also a large memorial service at the yeshiva in memory of the young victims. So, when the groom recited the words, "If I forget thee, O Jerusalem," all the people in attendance were remembering not only the Temple from two millennium ago, but the deaths of those eight students, only a short time ago. This is, perhaps, the story of Judaism: a combination of sadness and happiness, mixed together, making for the Jewish people. SOME EVENTS can be understood; others are difficult to fathom. We are currently celebrating the first anniversary of the conclusion of the purchase of Beit HaShalom in Hebron. Exactly a year ago attorneys gave us the green light, and in we went. This huge, 3,500 square meter structure, strategically located on the road between Hebron and Kiryat Arba, was the first property purchased outside of the borders of the original Jewish neighborhoods. The roof of the building serves as a lookout, with a view of Kiryat Arba to the east and the Hebron Hills to the south. It is an amazing sight; on the one hand, exceedingly beautiful, and on the other hand, a bona fide security asset. Israel is on the verge of a 60th birthday. Since the birth of the state in 1948, despite all the problems encountered, Israel has made tremendous achievements. Who could have expected that a people being shoveled into ovens only a few years before, with over six million of their brethren exterminated, could overcome all odds and bring an ancient nation back to life, a feat unequaled by any other culture or nationality in the history of the world. It certainly does deserve to be celebrated. However I cannot but sense that this celebration is somewhat bittersweet with the case in point an excellent example, a microcosm of issues continually encountered. The Jews came back home to Israel; but to what kind of an Israel? Of course growth and development are measures of success. But do we remember where we've come from? Do we take into account the triumphs upon which modern Israel was born? Do we recall the bedrock which serves as the justification for the rebirth of our people in our homeland? HEBRON WAS the first Jewish city in the land of Israel, home to our patriarchs and matriarchs. The Cave of Machpela is our people's second holiest site, after the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. It was off-limits to Jews for 700 years, until Hebron came under Israeli control in the 1967 Six-Day War. As we celebrate 60 years of independence, so too we observe 40 years since the return of Jewish residency in Hebron during Passover of 1968. Yet when Jews legally purchase a building in Hebron, 60 years after the rebirth of our statehood, such a transaction is automatically shrouded in controversy. So much so that the families in the building were prevented from installing glass windows throughout a snowy and rainy winter. At present they still may not install plastic shades on the windows, nor may they hook up the building to the city's central electric services. This is not due to any question of the legality of the purchase, but rather to a fundamental question: Can Jews continue to live, grow and develop freely in Hebron? How can we, as a people, justify our existence in Tel Aviv or Haifa, if we do not recognize the validity of our presence in Hebron? If we cannot accept and respect the very pillars upon which our statehood lies, a peek into a crystal ball of the days and years to come looks dismal and bleak. A people with no past, or a people that refuses to recognize its past, has no future. A Jewish purchase of a building such as Beit HaShalom in Hebron should not be viewed as "problematic." Instead it should be cheered on as a positive step in the renewal of Israel's oldest city. The time has come for Jews throughout Israel and around the world to declare their allegiance to Hebron. The writer is the spokesperson for the Jewish Community of Hebron. ____________________________________ **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080409/736e64f3/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Wed Apr 9 06:42:58 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 07:42:58 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] article - "Slouching Towatd Narcissism" Message-ID: Shalom v'Boker tov, I'm not sure if I had ever sent this, but I just came across this in my files - very worth thinking about. B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... _by Michael Freund_ (http://www.aish.com/search/article_search_results.asp?article_author=Michael+Freund&title_text=&date_amount=&date_option=year) How did we go from being a society that cared -- to one that is increasingly so callous? There is something wrong -- something very, very wrong -- going on here. Something has happened to Israeli society over the past few years, something that is slowly and inexorably changing the way people relate to one another. You can see it in the little things, and in the big things, too. It is there when you are waiting on line at the bank, or when you go before yet another lethargic clerk to fill out still another tedious bureaucratic form. The daily headlines reflect it as well, as burning issues ranging from rocket attacks to widespread poverty to strikes in the educational system elicit little more than a shrug of the shoulders as we turn the page and move on. As frightening as it sounds, it seems as if the bonds that hold us together as one nation and one people are beginning to wither away. It is hard to pinpoint exactly when this process started, let alone when (and how) it will end. But it is almost as if the glue binding society has started to weaken, threatening to come undone before our very eyes. How did this happen? How did we go from being a society that cared -- to one that is increasingly so callous? The answer, I think, is surprisingly simple, and it can best be summed up in one very short and simple, little word: me. No, I don't mean "me" as in myself, Michael Freund, the author of this article, but "me" in the sense that each of us has increasingly turned inward, to some extent shutting out our responsibility to one another as Jews. Values and ideals such as patriotism, Jewish pride and love of country are increasingly being replaced by a narrower mode of thinking, one that is focused far more selfishly on what is best for me, myself and especially -- for I. How else does one explain our indifference to the fate of Sderot, which continues to suffer near-daily barrages of Palestinian projectiles? Or the lack of public pressure to return Israel's missing servicemen? It is almost as if we have subconsciously adopted the attitude that as long as something doesn't directly affect our own personal daily existence, then it simply does not matter very much at all. There are thousands of Jews in the Negev living under constant threat of mortar fire? Hey, not my problem, those rockets can't reach me. Gilad Schalit, Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser are all being held in captivity for 15 months and counting? Sorry, but can't you see I'm busy watching TV? Is this really the kind of society we want to live in? Take, for example, the tragedy of Gush Katif. It has now become acceptable, even tolerable, to throw Jews out of their homes. Of course, just as long as it isn't my home or yours that is under the gun. Even after Gaza's Jews were expelled, their fate fell out of sight, swept far away from the public's consciousness. I'm not sure which was crueler: forcing them out or forsaking them once they were gone. Fighting Selfishness How do we stop this slide toward narcissism and self-absorption? How can we turn back the clock on conceit, selfishness and pride? Here is a little formula that might be worth a try. When you start off your morning, and plan your daily schedule, stop for a moment and ask yourself a very straightforward question: What will I do for the Jewish people today? Not for the Jewish person staring back at you in the mirror, but for the nation of Israel as a whole. What activity, what action, what amount of time will you spend doing something, doing anything, for your people today? How you choose to answer this query is not my affair. We must each take an honest look at ourselves, our talents and our abilities and come up with a suitable response. But just asking ourselves this question each day will challenge us, however briefly, to look beyond ourselves, toward the greater good around us that is so badly in need of repair. There is so much that is twisted and wrong with our government and the way things are done, that many of us often find ourselves at a loss as to what to do. We want to get involved, we want to make a difference, but it just doesn't seem to matter, as our national predicament only grows worse. But fending off frustration and doing something focused and concrete is a sure-fire way to start to improve the situation. For if at the end of each day, we can look back and say that we did something positive and productive for the people of Israel, it will reignite the sense of purpose and meaning that lies dormant within us. Even if our actions do not appear to have any noticeable effect on the course of events, just by getting involved on behalf of the Jewish people, we will at least succeed in changing ourselves. And that, in and of itself, is already a step in the right direction. This article originally appeared in the Jerusalem Post. This article can also be read at: _http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/israeldiary/Slouching_Toward_Narcissism.asp_ (http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/israeldiary/Slouching_Toward_Narcissism.asp) _Click here to receive more inspiring articles like this_ (http://www.aish.com/lists/subscribeEmail.asp?email=youngbarzel at aol.com&adType=emailToFriend&chose n=aishwebupdate&subscribe=Y) Author Biography: Michael Freund served as deputy director of communications and policy planning in the Israeli prime minister's office from 1996 to 1999. He is currently an editorial writer and syndicated columnist for the Jerusalem Post. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080409/b340d640/attachment.html From rndavar at aol.com Thu Apr 10 19:45:27 2008 From: rndavar at aol.com (rndavar at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:45:27 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] The Trip Message-ID: <8CA6984789E4CF4-1244-1467@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com> Well, we are getting ready to load the van.? Everyone is excited about the upcoming weekend. My son Zachariah (he turns 15 on Sunday) has chosen to be with his dad and his bible study friends!? I am amazed that he has decided to go.? This alone has made the trip fantastic for me.? My brother-in-law (Bridget's brother - Jeff) is coming with us. John Carlson, Dave and Sherry Cole, their son-in-law Wes, Glenn Chatterton, and Kim are all about to hit the highway. We are waiting for Kim to arrive.? The plan is to hit the road at around 9 PM.? We will be driving all night and arriving early in the morning. Can't wait to see you all.? I have my crackberry with me so I will have email.? My cell phone # is 225-588-1575. Shalom, Ross -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080410/779ff981/attachment.html From rndavar at aol.com Thu Apr 10 22:48:00 2008 From: rndavar at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?Um9zcyBOaWNob2xz?=) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:48:00 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] The Trip In-Reply-To: <8CA6984789E4CF4-1244-1467@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6984789E4CF4-1244-1467@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <303403982-1207885678-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-155477961-@bxe029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Rick is with us too. We are on the road. See y'all in the morning. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: rndavar at aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:45:27 To:uilist at unitedisrael.org, dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] The Trip Well, we are getting ready to load the van.? Everyone is excited about the upcoming weekend. My son Zachariah (he turns 15 on Sunday) has chosen to be with his dad and his bible study friends!? I am amazed that he has decided to go.? This alone has made the trip fantastic for me.? My brother-in-law (Bridget's brother - Jeff) is coming with us. John Carlson, Dave and Sherry Cole, their son-in-law Wes, Glenn Chatterton, and Kim are all about to hit the highway. We are waiting for Kim to arrive.? The plan is to hit the road at around 9 PM.? We will be driving all night and arriving early in the morning. Can't wait to see you all.? I have my crackberry with me so I will have email.? My cell phone # is 225-588-1575. Shalom, Ross ---------------- Get the MapQuest Toolbar , Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! _______________________________________________ From tposborne77 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 14 18:59:20 2008 From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Conference Joy!! Message-ID: <356913.19149.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Lynn and I want to thank one and all for the great conference this weekend. Thanks for all of your hard work, time, and planning, which made it such a great joy. Such excellence exhibited by one and all was a breath of fresh air. On our 6-hour drive back to Tennessee, we relived the kind words, the great fellowship, sharing, and the marvelous teachings. I keep feeling that somehow I already know many of you, even though we've just met. With joy, we look forward to being together again soon. Thanks to all, Tracy Osborne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lynn and I want to thank one and all for the great conference this weekend. Thanks for all of your hard work, time, and planning, which made it such a great joy. Such excellence exhibited by one and all was a breath of fresh air. On our 6-hour drive back to Tennessee, we relived the kind words, the great fellowship, sharing, and the marvelous teachings. I keep feeling that somehow I already know many of you, even though we've just met. With joy, we look forward to being together again soon. Thanks to all, Tracy Osborne -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You got it, Mishpochah!!!!!!!! I not only "recognized" so many, but I loved them. ~ Pat From: YoungBarzel at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:17 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Conference Joy!! Hey Pat - We both had the SAME thought at the SAME time....just a coincidence, right? Not a chance!! :-) Best regards, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080414/e13230d4/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 14 19:47:23 2008 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:47:23 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference Joy!! In-Reply-To: <356913.19149.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <041520080047.26764.4803FB1A000B73CF0000688C22243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Hey everyone, I had an absolute blast! >From the time we left Saint Francisville to the time we returned I had the most incredible sense of belonging I have ever had. It was so good to put faces to all of the names and email addresses and even better to find that the people behind the faces were family. As I said to Ross, it was just plain WARM. I am toast right now however. We had a great but weary trip home and laughed much (I think I was delirious at one point). But you are right Hanoch (or should I say Hancock?) ;-{)}, we need a bigger bus. I can't wait for Succote, we discussed some great ideas for ther Feast of Tabernacles. More on that later. The tapes made it home safely Hanoch and I will start on them soon. I am also going to write you separately regarding the arrangements you alluded to regarding relocation to Israel. Gotta go to bed now, Laila Tov and Shalom Y'all! -- John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Tracy Osborne : -------------- Lynn and I want to thank one and all for the great conference this weekend. Thanks for all of your hard work, time, and planning, which made it such a great joy. Such excellence exhibited by one and all was a breath of fresh air. On our 6-hour drive back to Tennessee, we relived the kind words, the great fellowship, sharing, and the marvelous teachings. I keep feeling that somehow I already know many of you, even though we've just met. With joy, we look forward to being together again soon. Thanks to all, Tracy Osborne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/45febf0a/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Mon Apr 14 19:50:56 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:50:56 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference Joy!! In-Reply-To: <041520080047.26764.4803FB1A000B73CF0000688C22243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <041520080047.26764.4803FB1A000B73CF0000688C22243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: Exactly, John!!! From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:47 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Conference Joy!! Hey everyone, I had an absolute blast! >From the time we left Saint Francisville to the time we returned I had the most incredible sense of belonging I have ever had. It was so good to put faces to all of the names and email addresses and even better to find that the people behind the faces were family. As I said to Ross, it was just plain WARM. I am toast right now however. We had a great but weary trip home and laughed much (I think I was delirious at one point). But you are right Hanoch (or should I say Hancock?) ;-{)}, we need a bigger bus. I can't wait for Succote, we discussed some great ideas for ther Feast of Tabernacles. More on that later. The tapes made it home safely Hanoch and I will start on them soon. I am also going to write you separately regarding the arrangements you alluded to regarding relocation to Israel. Gotta go to bed now, Laila Tov and Shalom Y'all! -- John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Tracy Osborne : -------------- Lynn and I want to thank one and all for the great conference this weekend. Thanks for all of your hard work, time, and planning, which made it such a great joy. Such excellence exhibited by one and all was a breath of fresh air. On our 6-hour drive back to Tennessee, we relived the kind words, the great fellowship, sharing, and the marvelous teachings. I keep feeling that somehow I already know many of you, even though we've just met. With joy, we look forward to being together again soon. Thanks to all, Tracy Osborne -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080414/c587e0ce/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Mon Apr 14 20:17:11 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:17:11 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... Message-ID: Shalom to all! With my dear friend Ronnie Fulcher's permission, I cut and pasted below a note that he wrote about the United Israel World Union conference we just had. My response is below his note, in blue; please scroll down... Ronnie wrote: This years conference was about the best that I have ever attended. From the passion of Hanoch to the knowledge of John Hulley, Ross Nichols, Joe Good, Susan Roth, James Tabor and espically Simcha Jacobovici, the conference was intense. With approximately 100 people attending, the new faces gave all of us the feeling we were not alone. I know that several people couldn't make the conference so maybe audio reproductions may be avaliable in time. While attending the Jewish Community Center to view the film The Exodus Decoded, I meet several Jews who had no idea what the UIWU was about. They were amazed at the fact that gentiles were studying Torah and wanted to move to Israel. Looks like there may be a demographic that needs more enlightening? The "Newbies" had fantastic stories of why they were turned on to this conference and their quest for more knowledge. I enjoyed meeting so many of them plus those on the list that I had never met. I will be sending a link to several pictures in a few days for those who would like to see some of the events & people. Anticipation & Expectations of future events is high. Maybe in the near future an an offical presence in Israel could be real event. - Whay do you think Hanoch?????? I have no doubt that discussions at the meeting could have major global impact. The movers and shakers attending the meeting have the capability to get things done. May I also say that the meeting was like a grand family reunion. The love shown by so many impacted surely reached across the Branches of Judah & Joseph. Thanks to all who had a part. Shalom to All, Ronnie Wow Ronnie, I can't believe you beat me to a computer!! I thought I'd get the first word in about this extraordinary conference. :-) Firstly, thank you for the kind comments, and your description of the entire meeting is totally on target - the best, AND biggest that I've ever attended (and that goes back to approximately 1993, when I was a mere lad...). And my friend, you are SO right - big thing are in the air...no doubt about it!! The only thing I'd add to your description is the wonderful entertainment on Sunday night led by David and Patty and the GREAT (unbelievable, is more like it) musicians from our group itself! It was INTENSE, and so much fun all at the same time. I have already gotten several personal emails from some of the "newbies" you mentioned, and I am feeling SO PUMPED UP right now, you have no idea!! Honestly, my head is still spinning, and I'm just trying to catch my breath :-) Special thanks to James for making this all happen - I appreciate it personally, as well as on behalf of our cause of Return & Reunification. And Ronnie, that presence in the Land....yeah...MUCH to say about that, too!! :-) There's a lot going on about that, that I didn't mention. There are many things being worked on, and more to follow. Paraphrasing Bette Davis, "..you better buckle in, cause it's gonna be a bumpy ride!" :-) :-) And Ronnie, thanks again for the ride to the airport...I had misread my ticket, my plane was scheduled to take off at 1:05!! LOL...barely made it!! So many stories, such an incredible time, and so much that was accomplished....what an amazing experience.....Shalom Y'all.... B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080414/4dc43ac6/attachment.html From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com Mon Apr 14 21:11:58 2008 From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:11:58 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I"m glad every one sent mail after being home. Hearing that all are safe and sound is the 2nd best thing to hear. The 1st is what Ronnie had to say about the conference. Right on Ron. I don't know about that Lil Lion though??? We will all have to keep an eye out for him next yr??? Dick L .Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... Shalom to all! With my dear friend Ronnie Fulcher's permission, I cut and pasted below a note that he wrote about the United Israel World Union conference we just had. My response is below his note, in blue; please scroll down... Ronnie wrote: This years conference was about the best that I have ever attended. >From the passion of Hanoch to the knowledge of John Hulley, Ross Nichols, Joe Good, Susan Roth, James Tabor and espically Simcha Jacobovici, the conference was intense. With approximately 100 people attending, the new faces gave all of us the feeling we were not alone. I know that several people couldn't make the conference so maybe audio reproductions may be avaliable in time. While attending the Jewish Community Center to view the film The Exodus Decoded, I meet several Jews who had no idea what the UIWU was about. They were amazed at the fact that gentiles were studying Torah and wanted to move to Israel. Looks like there may be a demographic that needs more enlightening? The "Newbies" had fantastic stories of why they were turned on to this conference and their quest for more knowledge. I enjoyed meeting so many of them plus those on the list that I had never met. I will be sending a link to several pictures in a few days for those who would like to see some of the events & people. Anticipation & Expectations of future events is high. Maybe in the near future an an offical presence in Israel could be real event. - Whay do you think Hanoch?????? I have no doubt that discussions at the meeting could have major global impact. The movers and shakers attending the meeting have the capability to get things done. May I also say that the meeting was like a grand family reunion. The love shown by so many impacted surely reached across the Branches of Judah & Joseph. Thanks to all who had a part. Shalom to All, Ronnie Wow Ronnie, I can't believe you beat me to a computer!! I thought I'd get the first word in about this extraordinary conference. :-) Firstly, thank you for the kind comments, and your description of the entire meeting is totally on target - the best, AND biggest that I've ever attended (and that goes back to approximately 1993, when I was a mere lad...). And my friend, you are SO right - big thing are in the air...no doubt about it!! The only thing I'd add to your description is the wonderful entertainment on Sunday night led by David and Patty and the GREAT (unbelievable, is more like it) musicians from our group itself! It was INTENSE, and so much fun all at the same time. I have already gotten several personal emails from some of the "newbies" you mentioned, and I am feeling SO PUMPED UP right now, you have no idea!! Honestly, my head is still spinning, and I'm just trying to catch my breath :-) Special thanks to James for making this all happen - I appreciate it personally, as well as on behalf of our cause of Return & Reunification. And Ronnie, that presence in the Land....yeah...MUCH to say about that, too!! :-) There's a lot going on about that, that I didn't mention. There are many things being worked on, and more to follow. Paraphrasing Bette Davis, "..you better buckle in, cause it's gonna be a bumpy ride!" :-) :-) And Ronnie, thanks again for the ride to the airport...I had misread my ticket, my plane was scheduled to take off at 1:05!! LOL...barely made it!! So many stories, such an incredible time, and so much that was accomplished....what an amazing experience.....Shalom Y'all.... B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080414/467cd68b/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue Apr 15 01:55:47 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:55:47 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference Joy!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00be01c89ec5$bc39ce30$643c66c9@bettygivin> Dear Tracey and Lynn, I want to echo Pat's words. There is a definite spiritual connection.we are family, and yes, we are Regathering! I think it has to do with the Sinai experience. Thank you for being so open and trusting with us and thank you for sharing your music! Love and Blessings to you both! Betty/Elisheva _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Pat Robbins Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:11 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Conference Joy!! I know just what you mean about the feeling of having already known different ones whom I met at the meeting for the first time this weekend! Both you and Lynn seem so very familiar to me. I love it when that happens! I had that same feeling concerning several others I met as well. I wonder if it's a spiritual connection? The family is Regathering!!!! My love to you both, Pat From: Tracy Osborne Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:59 PM To: uilist at unitedisrael.org ; dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Conference Joy!! Lynn and I want to thank one and all for the great conference this weekend. Thanks for all of your hard work, time, and planning, which made it such a great joy. Such excellence exhibited by one and all was a breath of fresh air. On our 6-hour drive back to Tennessee, we relived the kind words, the great fellowship, sharing, and the marvelous teachings. I keep feeling that somehow I already know many of you, even though we've just met. With joy, we look forward to being together again soon. Thanks to all, Tracy Osborne _____ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/9d847a59/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue Apr 15 02:50:47 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:50:47 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] More Conference Joy!! In-Reply-To: <041520080047.26764.4803FB1A000B73CF0000688C22243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <00d401c89ecd$6cbbf240$643c66c9@bettygivin> Dear family, It is nearly 2am and I just got in a few minutes ago. I was about to fall into bed exhausted, but just had to get on line! I had a feeling there might be a" few " from all of ya'll (and I wasn't disappointed!). I too want to echo everyone's words, Yes, John, WARM is a good way to describe it! The level of love both seen and experienced on top of the incredible teachings and after hours discussions was almost beyond belief! At one point, I sort of stood back by the door, and tried to "take it all in." As I looked around and saw all of you, and thought of the connections and the incredible stories there in that room and then began to focus on many of you that I have known thru the years (some close to 20 yrs), and what each of you has personally meant to me, the emotion and joy welling up within me was almost too much! Old friends, new friends.we are truly blessed.yes the family is Regathering, and I think this is just the beginning. May HaShem go before us and guide us, like the cloud by day and the pillar by night; and may we have the eyes to see, the ears to hear, the clarity and wisdom to discern, the words to speak, the will to go forth as we strengthen and encourage one another. May our hearts be open as we go forth with kavana in all that He sets before us. May we keep the spirit of the conference that HaShem has blessed us with, in our minds and hearts from this day forward, knowing that "in His time, He will hasten it!" Before the conference, Steve Mathe urged us all to pray that the speakers receive Divine Guidance. I believe that prayer was answered. I would like for us to continue to pray for that Divine Guidance and for one another on a daily basis. Many of us came to the conference with heavy burdens due to the circumstances that we are going thru in our lives.and because of all that transpired over the weekend, many of those burdens were lightened, not necessarily because they went away.but because we could share them with our family who loves us. Now that we have gone separate ways and many of us are alone, we may need extra fortification for the things that we face.may we all be encouraged, knowing that we are family and that there are prayers ascending and falling upon the ear of HaShem.I love you all!!! My love and prayers, Betty/Elisheva _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:47 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Conference Joy!! Hey everyone, I had an absolute blast! >From the time we left Saint Francisville to the time we returned I had the most incredible sense of belonging I have ever had. It was so good to put faces to all of the names and email addresses and even better to find that the people behind the faces were family. As I said to Ross, it was just plain WARM. I am toast right now however. We had a great but weary trip home and laughed much (I think I was delirious at one point). But you are right Hanoch (or should I say Hancock?) ;-{)}, we need a bigger bus. I can't wait for Succote, we discussed some great ideas for ther Feast of Tabernacles. More on that later. The tapes made it home safely Hanoch and I will start on them soon. I am also going to write you separately regarding the arrangements you alluded to regarding relocation to Israel. Gotta go to bed now, Laila Tov and Shalom Y'all! -- John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Tracy Osborne : -------------- Lynn and I want to thank one and all for the great conference this weekend. Thanks for all of your hard work, time, and planning, which made it such a great joy. Such excellence exhibited by one and all was a breath of fresh air. On our 6-hour drive back to Tennessee, we relived the kind words, the great fellowship, sharing, and the marvelous teachings. I keep feeling that somehow I already know many of you, even though we've just met. With joy, we look forward to being together again soon. Thanks to all, Tracy Osborne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/9d57f116/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Tue Apr 15 09:46:51 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:46:51 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] More Conference Joy!! In-Reply-To: <00d401c89ecd$6cbbf240$643c66c9@bettygivin> References: <00d401c89ecd$6cbbf240$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: Betty, you always amaze me! You have a way of expressing everything that is in my own heart so beautifully. I awoke this morning with such sadness that I would neither see nor hear our family today. There was a heaviness in my heart before I was even awake enough to realize what it was about! I miss you all so much it actually hurts! During the conference I almost couldn't stop smiling - so much so that my cheeks were sore at night!!!! It was so wonderful. I just wish we had many weeks together instead of only a few days. It was like only getting tiny glimpses of each precious family member. Thank you for this letter, Betty. It was great! My love to all, Pat From: Betty Givin Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:50 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] More Conference Joy!! Dear family, It is nearly 2am and I just got in a few minutes ago. I was about to fall into bed exhausted, but just had to get on line! I had a feeling there might be a" few " from all of ya'll (and I wasn't disappointed!). I too want to echo everyone's words, Yes, John, WARM is a good way to describe it! The level of love both seen and experienced on top of the incredible teachings and after hours discussions was almost beyond belief! At one point, I sort of stood back by the door, and tried to "take it all in." As I looked around and saw all of you, and thought of the connections and the incredible stories there in that room and then began to focus on many of you that I have known thru the years (some close to 20 yrs), and what each of you has personally meant to me, the emotion and joy welling up within me was almost too much! Old friends, new friends.we are truly blessed.yes the family is Regathering, and I think this is just the beginning. May HaShem go before us and guide us, like the cloud by day and the pillar by night; and may we have the eyes to see, the ears to hear, the clarity and wisdom to discern, the words to speak, the will to go forth as we strengthen and encourage one another. May our hearts be open as we go forth with kavana in all that He sets before us. May we keep the spirit of the conference that HaShem has blessed us with, in our minds and hearts from this day forward, knowing that "in His time, He will hasten it!" Before the conference, Steve Mathe urged us all to pray that the speakers receive Divine Guidance. I believe that prayer was answered. I would like for us to continue to pray for that Divine Guidance and for one another on a daily basis. Many of us came to the conference with heavy burdens due to the circumstances that we are going thru in our lives.and because of all that transpired over the weekend, many of those burdens were lightened, not necessarily because they went away.but because we could share them with our family who loves us. Now that we have gone separate ways and many of us are alone, we may need extra fortification for the things that we face.may we all be encouraged, knowing that we are family and that there are prayers ascending and falling upon the ear of HaShem.I love you all!!! My love and prayers, Betty/Elisheva -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:47 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Conference Joy!! Hey everyone, I had an absolute blast! >From the time we left Saint Francisville to the time we returned I had the most incredible sense of belonging I have ever had. It was so good to put faces to all of the names and email addresses and even better to find that the people behind the faces were family. As I said to Ross, it was just plain WARM. I am toast right now however. We had a great but weary trip home and laughed much (I think I was delirious at one point). But you are right Hanoch (or should I say Hancock?) ;-{)}, we need a bigger bus. I can't wait for Succote, we discussed some great ideas for ther Feast of Tabernacles. More on that later. The tapes made it home safely Hanoch and I will start on them soon. I am also going to write you separately regarding the arrangements you alluded to regarding relocation to Israel. Gotta go to bed now, Laila Tov and Shalom Y'all! -- John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Tracy Osborne : -------------- Lynn and I want to thank one and all for the great conference this weekend. Thanks for all of your hard work, time, and planning, which made it such a great joy. Such excellence exhibited by one and all was a breath of fresh air. On our 6-hour drive back to Tennessee, we relived the kind words, the great fellowship, sharing, and the marvelous teachings. I keep feeling that somehow I already know many of you, even though we've just met. With joy, we look forward to being together again soon. Thanks to all, Tracy Osborne -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/e8da1d81/attachment.html From chattertonw at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 15 12:14:34 2008 From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (chattertonw at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:14:34 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject) Message-ID: <041520081714.25964.4804E27A000375B20000656C22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Thus saith HaSHeM, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted. Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim. Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for HaSHeM hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted. Isaiah 49:8-12 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of HaSHeM is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but HaSHeM shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. Isaiah 60:1-5 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Luke 13:29 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/33f27100/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue Apr 15 13:23:34 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:23:34 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] More Conference Joy!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003201c89f25$d15e8ca0$643c66c9@bettygivin> Pat, thank you, I tried to speak my heart, but it was very difficult to put into words. I am glad that my 2am thoughts came thru to you. We just have to fight against that heaviness of heart each waking moment. I can still see your beautiful smile! Don't let it be dimmed! I think it is funny that your cheeks were sore at night! Keep that spark of yours glowing.we all love you and need you to shine! May we all stay focused, continue to encourage one another as we pray for one another and keep those sparks "glowing!" My love to you and to all, Betty/Elisheva _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Pat Robbins Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:47 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] More Conference Joy!! Betty, you always amaze me! You have a way of expressing everything that is in my own heart so beautifully. I awoke this morning with such sadness that I would neither see nor hear our family today. There was a heaviness in my heart before I was even awake enough to realize what it was about! I miss you all so much it actually hurts! During the conference I almost couldn't stop smiling - so much so that my cheeks were sore at night!!!! It was so wonderful. I just wish we had many weeks together instead of only a few days. It was like only getting tiny glimpses of each precious family member. Thank you for this letter, Betty. It was great! My love to all, Pat From: Betty Givin Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:50 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] More Conference Joy!! Dear family, It is nearly 2am and I just got in a few minutes ago. I was about to fall into bed exhausted, but just had to get on line! I had a feeling there might be a" few " from all of ya'll (and I wasn't disappointed!). I too want to echo everyone's words, Yes, John, WARM is a good way to describe it! The level of love both seen and experienced on top of the incredible teachings and after hours discussions was almost beyond belief! At one point, I sort of stood back by the door, and tried to "take it all in." As I looked around and saw all of you, and thought of the connections and the incredible stories there in that room and then began to focus on many of you that I have known thru the years (some close to 20 yrs), and what each of you has personally meant to me, the emotion and joy welling up within me was almost too much! Old friends, new friends.we are truly blessed.yes the family is Regathering, and I think this is just the beginning. May HaShem go before us and guide us, like the cloud by day and the pillar by night; and may we have the eyes to see, the ears to hear, the clarity and wisdom to discern, the words to speak, the will to go forth as we strengthen and encourage one another. May our hearts be open as we go forth with kavana in all that He sets before us. May we keep the spirit of the conference that HaShem has blessed us with, in our minds and hearts from this day forward, knowing that "in His time, He will hasten it!" Before the conference, Steve Mathe urged us all to pray that the speakers receive Divine Guidance. I believe that prayer was answered. I would like for us to continue to pray for that Divine Guidance and for one another on a daily basis. Many of us came to the conference with heavy burdens due to the circumstances that we are going thru in our lives.and because of all that transpired over the weekend, many of those burdens were lightened, not necessarily because they went away.but because we could share them with our family who loves us. Now that we have gone separate ways and many of us are alone, we may need extra fortification for the things that we face.may we all be encouraged, knowing that we are family and that there are prayers ascending and falling upon the ear of HaShem.I love you all!!! My love and prayers, Betty/Elisheva _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:47 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Conference Joy!! Hey everyone, I had an absolute blast! >From the time we left Saint Francisville to the time we returned I had the most incredible sense of belonging I have ever had. It was so good to put faces to all of the names and email addresses and even better to find that the people behind the faces were family. As I said to Ross, it was just plain WARM. I am toast right now however. We had a great but weary trip home and laughed much (I think I was delirious at one point). But you are right Hanoch (or should I say Hancock?) ;-{)}, we need a bigger bus. I can't wait for Succote, we discussed some great ideas for ther Feast of Tabernacles. More on that later. The tapes made it home safely Hanoch and I will start on them soon. I am also going to write you separately regarding the arrangements you alluded to regarding relocation to Israel. Gotta go to bed now, Laila Tov and Shalom Y'all! -- John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Tracy Osborne : -------------- Lynn and I want to thank one and all for the great conference this weekend. Thanks for all of your hard work, time, and planning, which made it such a great joy. Such excellence exhibited by one and all was a breath of fresh air. On our 6-hour drive back to Tennessee, we relived the kind words, the great fellowship, sharing, and the marvelous teachings. I keep feeling that somehow I already know many of you, even though we've just met. With joy, we look forward to being together again soon. Thanks to all, Tracy Osborne _____ size=2 width="100%" align=center> _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/78ba09ff/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue Apr 15 14:45:49 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:45:49 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <041520081714.25964.4804E27A000375B20000656C22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Message-ID: <007801c89f31$4ecbeba0$643c66c9@bettygivin> Well spoken words, Glen, from an excellent source! Thank you for sharing them with us. So glad you decided to attend the conference. I am so sorry that I missed your new song. I am looking forward to hearing it at the Sukkoth conference if not before. Please give my love to your lovely Rhonda. Shalom and shavua tov, Betty/Elisheva _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of chattertonw at bellsouth.net Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:15 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject) Thus saith HaSHeM, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted. Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim. Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for HaSHeM hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted. Isaiah 49:8-12 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of HaSHeM is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but HaSHeM shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. Isaiah 60:1-5 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Luke 13:29 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/3f829fa9/attachment.html From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Tue Apr 15 15:04:15 2008 From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:04:15 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <041520081714.25964.4804E27A000375B20000656C22218801869B0A0 2D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> References: <041520081714.25964.4804E27A000375B20000656C22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Message-ID: <200804152004.m3FK4BQh009650@pmail2540.carrierzone.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/428bffab/attachment.html From dantabor at yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 15:15:43 2008 From: dantabor at yahoo.com (Dan Tabor) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <041520081714.25964.4804E27A000375B20000656C22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Message-ID: <249306.36782.qm@web45908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> * What a truely enriched time of togetherness and spiritual motivation. The conference welled in me enormous knowledge & inspiration. Plus approaching Pesach, it definitely feels good to be 'sandwiched' with such jubilation and significance. Dan chattertonw at bellsouth.net wrote: Thus saith HaSHeM, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted. Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim. Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for HaSHeM hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted. Isaiah 49:8-12 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of HaSHeM is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but HaSHeM shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. Isaiah 60:1-5 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Luke 13:29_______________________________________________ between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/097488e1/attachment.html From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com Tue Apr 15 19:21:54 2008 From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:21:54 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll buy that one Hanoch ?? Sounds like a "complete" success doesn't it. I feel sorry to ask but I must. If sending pictures please send names also? I have an awful time remembering names. I have a severe CRS problem. Thanks. .Subject: .A report on the conference... Hi Dick - You really crack me up...just remember, it's always hard to keep an eye on a moving target! :-) Best regards, great seeing you! Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/a4a06aac/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue Apr 15 19:38:22 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:38:22 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003d01c89f5a$2ee08c00$643c66c9@bettygivin> Dick, great idea regarding sending names with pictures. The only problem I see is that many of us may have the same problem as you do regarding memory! You are too funny! As far as the difficulty in hitting a moving target, Hanoch definitely qualifies, but I think you might qualify as well. Thanks for your contributions to the conference (not just the cheese!), but YOU! So glad you came. BTW, I will never be convinced that you were not the secret deliverer of the maple syrup! It would be just like you to do something like that. Take care of yourself.we all love you, Betty/Elisheva _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Dick L Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:22 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... I'll buy that one Hanoch ?? Sounds like a "complete" success doesn't it. I feel sorry to ask but I must. If sending pictures please send names also? I have an awful time remembering names. I have a severe CRS problem. Thanks. .Subject: .A report on the conference... Hi Dick - You really crack me up...just remember, it's always hard to keep an eye on a moving target! :-) Best regards, great seeing you! Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... _____ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. _____ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/1ffa32b3/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue Apr 15 19:48:14 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:48:14 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <249306.36782.qm@web45908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004e01c89f5b$8e1b8e30$643c66c9@bettygivin> Welcome to the Dialogue, Dan! You may have already been on the list, but to my knowledge, this is the first post you have sent out! It was great being with you and Tammy and so glad your move to Hickory coincided with the time of the conference! Love and Blessings, Aunt Betty (aka Betty/Elisheva) _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Dan Tabor Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:16 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] (no subject) * What a truely enriched time of togetherness and spiritual motivation. The conference welled in me enormous knowledge & inspiration. Plus approaching Pesach, it definitely feels good to be 'sandwiched' with such jubilation and significance. Dan chattertonw at bellsouth.net wrote: Thus saith HaSHeM, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted. Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim. Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for HaSHeM hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted. Isaiah 49:8-12 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of HaSHeM is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but HaSHeM shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. Isaiah 60:1-5 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/61167057/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue Apr 15 19:55:45 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:55:45 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 Message-ID: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin> Dear Brian and Beth, I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you contribute behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this one, but for all of the work you have done over the years. You are both incredibly special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! Please take this to heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. It is so important that those who were not able to attend be able to be a part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. We both love and appreciate you both, Betty/Elisheva -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/8fc21a27/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Tue Apr 15 20:00:57 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:00:57 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <041520081714.25964.4804E27A000375B20000656C22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> <200804152004.m3FK4BQh009650@pmail2540.carrierzone.com> References: <041520081714.25964.4804E27A000375B20000656C22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> <200804152004.m3FK4BQh009650@pmail2540.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: Me too.........again!!! Everyone's saying just what I want to say! I love these quotes, Glenn. I've been studying Isaiah 49 since 1983, and it thrills me every time I see it quoted. MAY THIS BE "THE ACCEPTABLE TIME!" And may the L-RD "zerach" (rise) upon us as Isaiah 60 commands! Love, Pat From: Steve Mathe Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:04 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] (no subject) Thanks. This quote and its associated ideas and feelings is just what I needed. It is happening, and we are part of it, the Work of HaShem, the Work of Eli-y-h! Steve At 10:14 AM 4/15/2008, you wrote: Thus saith HaSHeM, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted. Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim. Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for HaSHeM hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted. Isaiah 49:8-12 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of HaSHeM is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but HaSHeM shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. Isaiah 60:1-5 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Luke 13:29 _______________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/8697e5a5/attachment.html From dantabor at yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 20:06:10 2008 From: dantabor at yahoo.com (Dan Tabor) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <004e01c89f5b$8e1b8e30$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: <832079.23617.qm@web45913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> * Thank you, lovely sweet Auntie. I am working on loading 90% of the pictures I snapped over the weekend onto the pictures section of my myspace website. By tomorrow, anyone with a myspace account can enjoy them at: www.myspace.com/godtorahisrael Betty Givin wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Welcome to the Dialogue, Dan! You may have already been on the list, but to my knowledge, this is the first post you have sent out! It was great being with you and Tammy and so glad your move to Hickory coincided with the time of the conference! Love and Blessings, Aunt Betty (aka Betty/Elisheva) --------------------------------- From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Dan Tabor Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:16 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] (no subject) * What a truely enriched time of togetherness and spiritual motivation. The conference welled in me enormous knowledge & inspiration. Plus approaching Pesach, it definitely feels good to be 'sandwiched' with such jubilation and significance. Dan chattertonw at bellsouth.net wrote: Thus saith HaSHeM, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted. Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim. Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for HaSHeM hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted. Isaiah 49:8-12 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of HaSHeM is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but HaSHeM shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. Isaiah 60:1-5 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 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Berachot, Tracy YoungBarzel at aol.com wrote: Hey Tracy, Nice to "see you" again so soon! :-) I just wanted to comment on one thing in your note; I know the reason you felt like you knew so many people before; It's because we all first met (soul wise) when we ALL standing at Har Sinai - Mt.Sinai, all those years ago... Let's keep these 'family reunions' going! Best regards, and take care! Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... --------------------------------- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. _______________________________________________ between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/db9497a4/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Tue Apr 15 21:09:08 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:09:08 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <004e01c89f5b$8e1b8e30$643c66c9@bettygivin> References: <004e01c89f5b$8e1b8e30$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: OK, now I'm totally confused! Dan, were you and Tammy at the front table giving everyone the cards to fill out when we first arrived? And I asked Tammy if she played the dulcimer? I thought y'all were from LA! And I didn't know you were James' son. It's really hard to get everything and everybody straight in your mind! Do you also paint? If so, I've seen your work and it is awesome!!!! Love to you both, Pat From: Betty Givin Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:48 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] (no subject) Welcome to the Dialogue, Dan! You may have already been on the list, but to my knowledge, this is the first post you have sent out! It was great being with you and Tammy and so glad your move to Hickory coincided with the time of the conference! Love and Blessings, Aunt Betty (aka Betty/Elisheva) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Dan Tabor Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:16 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] (no subject) * What a truely enriched time of togetherness and spiritual motivation. The conference welled in me enormous knowledge & inspiration. Plus approaching Pesach, it definitely feels good to be 'sandwiched' with such jubilation and significance. Dan chattertonw at bellsouth.net wrote: Thus saith HaSHeM, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted. Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim. Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for HaSHeM hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted. Isaiah 49:8-12 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of HaSHeM is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but HaSHeM shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. Isaiah 60:1-5 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 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My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, Pat From: Betty Givin Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 Dear Brian and Beth, I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you contribute behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this one, but for all of the work you have done over the years. You are both incredibly special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! Please take this to heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. It is so important that those who were not able to attend be able to be a part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. We both love and appreciate you both, Betty/Elisheva -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/60202025/attachment.html From rndavar at aol.com Tue Apr 15 21:35:33 2008 From: rndavar at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?Um9zcyBOaWNob2xz?=) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:35:33 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference Message-ID: <1044774413-1208313329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-465547160-@bxe029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Just wanted to tell everyone how much I enjoyed the weekend. I plan on sending a newsletter out this week about Pesach and a few other things. Like everyone else, I am back home and running like crazy to catch up. It was truly a time of refreshing for me to be around so many wonderful people. Love and shalom to you all. I hope to write more frequently to the list as we enter the New Year. Shalom, Ross Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From bkgivin at charter.net Tue Apr 15 22:13:30 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:13:30 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] SIMCHA ON HISTORY CHANNEL NOW!!!! Message-ID: <003d01c89f6f$d936e9a0$643c66c9@bettygivin> Friends, our friend Simcha Jacobovichi is on the History Channel doing Bar Kokba Rebellion now! (10-11CTS) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/669fd5f5/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Tue Apr 15 22:36:51 2008 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:36:51 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Dan's Ephramite Site In-Reply-To: <832079.23617.qm@web45913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <832079.23617.qm@web45913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <71454DF6-89FB-42D4-BF99-2200DA77401D@earthlink.net> Nice site Dan...I just took a look. I am amazed at how much you have put up so quickly. Wishing you many visits/its! James On Apr 15, 2008, at 9:06 PM, Dan Tabor wrote: > * Thank you, lovely sweet Auntie. I am working on loading 90% of the > pictures I snapped over the weekend onto the pictures section of my > myspace website. By tomorrow, anyone with a myspace account can > enjoy them at: www.myspace.com/godtorahisrael > > Betty Givin wrote: > Welcome to the Dialogue, Dan! You may have already been on the > list, but to my knowledge, this is the first post you have sent > out! It was great being with you and Tammy and so glad your move to > Hickory coincided with the time of the conference! > > Love and Blessings, > > Aunt Betty (aka Betty/Elisheva) > > From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org > ] On Behalf Of Dan Tabor > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:16 PM > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] (no subject) > > * What a truely enriched time of togetherness and spiritual > motivation. The conference welled in me enormous knowledge & > inspiration. Plus approaching Pesach, it definitely feels good to be > 'sandwiched' with such jubilation and significance. > > Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/80ef0878/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue Apr 15 23:28:04 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:28:04 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Dan's Ephramite Site In-Reply-To: <71454DF6-89FB-42D4-BF99-2200DA77401D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <006601c89f7a$43766c00$643c66c9@bettygivin> Dan, I ditto James' remarks! Good job. Love and blessings, Betty/Elisheva _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of James Tabor Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:37 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Dan's Ephramite Site Nice site Dan...I just took a look. I am amazed at how much you have put up so quickly. Wishing you many visits/its! James On Apr 15, 2008, at 9:06 PM, Dan Tabor wrote: * Thank you, lovely sweet Auntie. I am working on loading 90% of the pictures I snapped over the weekend onto the pictures section of my myspace website. By tomorrow, anyone with a myspace account can enjoy them at: www.myspace.com/godtorahisrael Betty Givin wrote: Welcome to the Dialogue, Dan! You may have already been on the list, but to my knowledge, this is the first post you have sent out! It was great being with you and Tammy and so glad your move to Hickory coincided with the time of the conference! Love and Blessings, Aunt Betty (aka Betty/Elisheva) _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Dan Tabor Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:16 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] (no subject) * What a truely enriched time of togetherness and spiritual motivation. The conference welled in me enormous knowledge & inspiration. Plus approaching Pesach, it definitely feels good to be 'sandwiched' with such jubilation and significance. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080415/4a911df4/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 05:11:14 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:11:14 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: <1044774413-1208313329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-465547160-@bxe029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1044774413-1208313329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-465547160-@bxe029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Shalom: We just wanted to say hello to everyone! It was great meeting you all at the conference. Thanks for making our family feel welcome! What a wonderful diverse group of people. We are still trying to sort out all the email addresses and names and remember a face to them. Can't wait until we can do this again! It's great to know we aren't alone as we had felt for so long! Blessings to all! Chris and Amber Fordham On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Ross Nichols wrote: > Just wanted to tell everyone how much I enjoyed the weekend. I plan on > sending a newsletter out this week about Pesach and a few other things. > > Like everyone else, I am back home and running like crazy to catch up. > > It was truly a time of refreshing for me to be around so many wonderful > people. > > Love and shalom to you all. I hope to write more frequently to the list as > we enter the New Year. > > Shalom, Ross > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080416/dbcff3da/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Wed Apr 16 06:48:24 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:48:24 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] A real breakthrough... Message-ID: Shalom to all, Although I want to write a long description of what I mean (I ALWAYS seem to want to write long descriptions, don't I? LOL), I truly believe that this past weekend's conference was a true BREAKTHROUGH in our individual and collective attempts toward Reunion and Return... I am overwhelmed by the 'vibes' that everything is now different, that we have crossed a 'line;' together - as we should be. I have had verses from the Tanach running through my head since I got to the Charlotte airport. Of course I will share them with the group, but can't right now. Work is too demanding right now, and Pesah preparation cannot wait any longer....but, G-d willing, I will write a more detailed email explaining my feelings and impressions. And of course, some next steps :-) Not sure how much I can write between now and Monday night, but I will try - just bare with me a bit, okay? Toda (thanks) to all! B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080416/9c6c3c1b/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 09:08:58 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:08:58 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: References: <1044774413-1208313329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-465547160-@bxe029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804160708q30dd9f47r9ffad8a5e5a67af7@mail.gmail.com> Welcome, Chris & Amber! It was wonderful meeting you and your precious family. Great to have you on the list. Kim On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:11 AM, chris fordham wrote: > Shalom: > > We just wanted to say hello to everyone! It was great meeting you all at > the conference. Thanks for making our family feel welcome! What a > wonderful diverse group of people. We are still trying to sort out all the > email addresses and names and remember a face to them. Can't wait until we > can do this again! It's great to know we aren't alone as we had felt for so > long! Blessings to all! Chris and Amber Fordham > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Ross Nichols wrote: > > > Just wanted to tell everyone how much I enjoyed the weekend. I plan on > > sending a newsletter out this week about Pesach and a few other things. > > > > Like everyone else, I am back home and running like crazy to catch up. > > > > It was truly a time of refreshing for me to be around so many wonderful > > people. > > > > Love and shalom to you all. I hope to write more frequently to the list > > as we enter the New Year. > > > > Shalom, Ross > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080416/e064df3e/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 09:10:38 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:10:38 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] A real breakthrough... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804160710i76afae7enfd62a75e3b645e41@mail.gmail.com> I'm sure it will be worth the wait. Can't wait to "hear" from you. Kim On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:48 AM, wrote: > Shalom to all, > > Although I want to write a long description of what I mean (I ALWAYS > seem to want to write long descriptions, don't I? LOL), I truly believe > that this past weekend's conference was a true BREAKTHROUGH in our > individual and collective attempts toward Reunion and Return... > > I am overwhelmed by the 'vibes' that everything is now different, that > we have crossed a 'line;' together - as we should be. I have had verses > from the Tanach running through my head since I got to the Charlotte > airport. Of course I will share them with the group, but can't right now. > > Work is too demanding right now, and Pesah preparation cannot wait any > longer....but, G-d willing, I will write a more detailed email explaining my > feelings and impressions. And of course, some next steps :-) > > Not sure how much I can write between now and Monday night, but I will > try - just bare with me a bit, okay? > > Toda (thanks) to all! > > B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, > * Hanoch *the Lil Lion of Judah > *Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...* > > ** > > > > ------------------------------ > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance > . > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080416/8eeb87a6/attachment.html From puddlefrog at aol.com Wed Apr 16 09:27:53 2008 From: puddlefrog at aol.com (puddlefrog at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:27:53 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: References: <1044774413-1208313329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-465547160-@bxe029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CA6DE5307644D6-F24-1A98@MBLK-M15.sysops.aol.com> I too had a very wonderful time this weekend!! Aside from seeing old friends, I met many new friends that?I hope to get to know even?better over time. I learned alot over the weekend and now feel a stronger need to learn even more. I have also come away with a more peaceful feeling in my heart and a sense of belonging. -----Original Message----- From: chris fordham To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 6:11 am Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Conference Shalom: ? We just wanted to say hello to everyone!? It was great meeting you all at the conference.? Thanks for making our family feel welcome!? What a wonderful diverse group of people.? We are still trying to sort out all the email addresses and names and remember a face to them.? Can't wait until we can do this again!? It's great to know we aren't alone as we had felt for so long!? Blessings to all!? Chris and Amber Fordham On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Ross Nichols wrote: Just wanted to tell everyone how much I enjoyed the weekend. I plan on sending a newsletter out this week about Pesach and a few other things. Like everyone else, I am back home and running like crazy to catch up. It was truly a time of refreshing for me to be around so many wonderful people. Love and shalom to you all. I hope to write more frequently to the list as we enter the New Year. Shalom, Ross Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Aside from seeing old friends, I met many new friends that I hope to get to know even better over time. I learned alot over the weekend and now feel a stronger need to learn even more. I have also come away with a more peaceful feeling in my heart and a sense of belonging. -----Original Message----- From: chris fordham To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 6:11 am Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Conference Shalom: We just wanted to say hello to everyone! It was great meeting you all at the conference. Thanks for making our family feel welcome! What a wonderful diverse group of people. We are still trying to sort out all the email addresses and names and remember a face to them. Can't wait until we can do this again! It's great to know we aren't alone as we had felt for so long! Blessings to all! Chris and Amber Fordham On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Ross Nichols wrote: Just wanted to tell everyone how much I enjoyed the weekend. I plan on sending a newsletter out this week about Pesach and a few other things. Like everyone else, I am back home and running like crazy to catch up. It was truly a time of refreshing for me to be around so many wonderful people. Love and shalom to you all. I hope to write more frequently to the list as we enter the New Year. Shalom, Ross Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080416/4adb6bfe/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 09:39:32 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:39:32 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0804160708q30dd9f47r9ffad8a5e5a67af7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1044774413-1208313329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-465547160-@bxe029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1c8dbb6e0804160708q30dd9f47r9ffad8a5e5a67af7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you. Everyone has been so kind. Can't wait to get involved and "listen to what everyone has to "say"! Amber On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM, kim alvarado wrote: > Welcome, Chris & Amber! It was wonderful meeting you and your precious > family. Great to have you on the list. > > Kim > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:11 AM, chris fordham > wrote: > > > Shalom: > > > > We just wanted to say hello to everyone! It was great meeting you all > > at the conference. Thanks for making our family feel welcome! What a > > wonderful diverse group of people. We are still trying to sort out all the > > email addresses and names and remember a face to them. Can't wait until we > > can do this again! It's great to know we aren't alone as we had felt for so > > long! Blessings to all! Chris and Amber Fordham > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Ross Nichols wrote: > > > > > Just wanted to tell everyone how much I enjoyed the weekend. I plan on > > > sending a newsletter out this week about Pesach and a few other things. > > > > > > Like everyone else, I am back home and running like crazy to catch up. > > > > > > It was truly a time of refreshing for me to be around so many > > > wonderful people. > > > > > > Love and shalom to you all. I hope to write more frequently to the > > > list as we enter the New Year. > > > > > > Shalom, Ross > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080416/ef021d0a/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Wed Apr 16 09:46:15 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:46:15 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] Conference Message-ID: Hey Amber - May I make a suggestion? Why not tell the group a little bit (or a lot!) about the 'journey' that YOUR family has begun taking. That will, in turn, get the others on the list to start telling THEIR stories, which will benefit ALL of us. Ross had asked me to write a ".brief introduction.." when I first joined the list, and I wound up writing a 9 part saga, followed by 3 additional chapters! But hey, that's just me... LOL :-) Let's start sharing our stories, and you'll see - not only what SO MANY of us have in common, but how SO MANY of us can help each other... Just a thought in the midst of an insane day....and once again, GREAT meeting you guys! B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael (With Love of Judah & Israel), Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: YoungBarzel at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:48 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Conference Hey Pat - ? ??? How are you on this sunny day?? 'PuddleFrog' is our pal Tammy? :-) ? ??? Best regards, ??? ??? ??? Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080416/741786e1/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 11:03:09 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:03:09 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Okay........here goes but some people may not believe it. My husband and I were both raised in a Nazarene church. We met when he was 15 and I was 16. We went to high school together. We were married in 1997. We have two children. My husband and I have much trust and faith in one another which was shaken when we went through our "experience". It was that hard to believe. To make a long story short....I was praying and reading scripture one night, actually even into the early morning when I was convicted of the day we were worshipping. When I discussed what happened to me that night my husband kind of brushed it off, which later, you'll see he couldn't ignore anymore. He asked "How can you be right and all these millions of people be wrong?" As a christian back then I had grown stagnant an was starving spiritually. My husband was on the board, I taught missionary night, I was the nursery coordinator, we both had Sunday school classes, we ran the children's church, we were in the choir, we sang duets, I was VBS coordinator,etc...............I still wasn't being fed. Well if you know me, I am an all or nothing sort of person. When I was convicted of the Sabbath I could not ignore it. So I left the church. This was about 4 1/2 years ago. No one understood; not even my husband! The struggle really began when I told my husband I was convicted of cooking some of his favorite meals and in fact I couldn't cook him meat anymore especially if it was pork. I was vegetarian when we married so I didn't care for meat anyhow. So now we have the Sabbath issue and the meat and pork issue. At first I thought Sabbath was just Saturday all day long.....until we were at Ryans one Friday night, which was our tradition after his work week (which at the time was 7 days a week), and I had an experience as we were getting ready to pay for our meal. I told Chris to stop and we stepped aside a minite. I said we can't eat here tonight. Of course he didn't understand. I said look at that banner, "All you can eat BBQ, this place is unclean!" Chris said "What are you talking about? You don't make any sense Amber. Where are you getting this stuff? Who have you been talking to? What have you been reading?" I said "It's Inside of me! I haven't talked to anyone! I'm not reading anything(except scripture)! But we have to leave now! We'll just be wasting our money beause we can't have bread this week!" "What do you mean we can't have bread this week" he asked. "I don't know" I said! When we got in the car he was so mad he hit the steering wheel and was just yelling and asking "What are we going to feed Lindsey Amber? I guess we can't eat anything!" I explained we still had fruits and vegetables! Well, a few months go by and things are changing really fast. We were getting lots of visitors and calls asking what was wrong, where had we been, if we were coming back. My mother during this time asked Chris to commit me. She told him they only needed one signature from a spouse. He refused so she called my dad for a second signature, my dad refused also. When he refused she called my grandfather who said he would think about it since he had been hearing stories from the family, but he needed to see me for himself first. Well............the timing wasn't good because by the time he got there I had been convicted to camp out for a week. I still didn't know anything about the Holy Days or Feasts or Festivals at this time! But I had this huge urgency and need to go to the camping store and buy a tent, sleeping bags for us all, flashlights, lanterns, oil, etc. When Chris got home I had moved all of the furniture out of the kitchen/dining room and set up camp in our home! I even asked Chris to cut the power off that week! He said "Are you crazy? What am I suppose to tell the people at the power company? Oh, cut my power off for seven days. I will be glad to pay the reconnection fee after one week but please make sure it stays off for seven days!? You're going to see someone. You have lost your mind. Your mother was right." At this time, the doorbell rings. It was my grandfather. What bad timing! He even teared up when he saw me. He asked was everything okay. I said things were better than ever! He said, then what's all that stuff in your kitchen? I couldn't explain it. So, I saw a therapist for a while..............until I found a book on the Sabbath AND the Fall Feasts And Spring Festivals! I had almost started to believe I was crazy! I was screaming! Chris! Chris! Look! I'm not crazy! Well, here he come along with everyone in the building! They were all staring at me(like I was crazy again). We were at an adventist church at this time because it was the only place I knew of that kept Sabbath. The books were in their library and were written by a Sameul Bacchiochi who was an adventist. When I saw Passover and Unleavened Bread and Feast of Tabernacles I can't tell you how relieved I was. I had never heard of these before! I had never been taught these before! For the first time I could convince my husband that it wasn't just me! There were others.....somewhere out there! Of course I was called out of the Adventist church since they couldn't answer how come they kept Sabbath but not the Holy Days! So, we started searching for a Passover Seder. It was that time again and we had never celebrated it (other than the year before by going one week without bread)! So, we found Temple Beth El! We had our first traditional Seder there. The place we had the screening and desserts the other day! It took 1 1/2 years for my husband to understand it all. We lost ALL of our friends and most of our family! We don't care at this point anymore. Our prayer is bring into our life who you want there and weed out who you don't. My husband and I are finally back on the same page. There is no doubt in either of our minds that we are on the right path. We are one! And the strangest thing of all is when we looked back on the calendar the week we went without bread and the week we set up camp were the same weeks that the Feast fell under! Go figure! That is a short version of our story! On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:46 AM, wrote: > Hey Amber - > > May I make a suggestion? Why not tell the group a little bit (or a > lot!) about the 'journey' that YOUR family has begun taking. That will, in > turn, get the others on the list to start telling THEIR stories, which will > benefit ALL of us. > > Ross had asked me to write a ".brief introduction.." when I first > joined the list, and I wound up writing a 9 part saga, followed by 3 > additional chapters! But hey, that's just me... LOL :-) > > Let's start sharing our stories, and you'll see - not only what SO > MANY of us have in common, but how SO MANY of us can help each other... > > Just a thought in the midst of an insane day....and once again, GREAT > meeting you guys! > > B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael (With Love of Judah & Israel), > > * Hanoch *the Lil Lion of Judah > *Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...* > > > > ------------------------------ > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance > . > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080416/af481f91/attachment.html From chattertonw at bellsouth.net Wed Apr 16 12:03:26 2008 From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (chattertonw at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:03:26 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject) Message-ID: <041620081703.20938.4806315D000F273F000051CA22218865869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when HaSHeM bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad. Psalms 14:7 So shall ye know that I am HaSHeM your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. Joel 3:17 For I, saith HaSHeM, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her. Zechariah 2:5 And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am HaSHeM their God, and will hear them. Zechariah 10:6 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080416/9fa08c25/attachment.html From youngbarzel at aol.com Wed Apr 16 16:15:53 2008 From: youngbarzel at aol.com (youngbarzel at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:15:53 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Amber's story Message-ID: <8CA6E1E2FDAFE30-CB4-190A@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> Shalom to all, ??? Hey Amber - ??? WOW!!! That is some story...and yes, that's exactly what I had in mind, when I suggested you share your experiences; YOUR story? :-)? I am sure others will begin to write and while telling THEIR stories, you'll see that you are NOT crazy, and that what you experienced has happened (with variations, to others).? Listen, HaShem is calling us all home; gathering HIS people (ALL of them), and bringing them home to Torah...in your case, perhaps he was SHOUTING, but it was HE, who inspired you, that's?for sure; and the timing of the Chagim (holidays) with your 'feelings' to do certain things is uncanny....certainly not a coincidence!? You are very courageous to have taken the steps that you did, when you did them.? HaShem cut right into your soul it seems, amazing....but ALL in a good way!? :-) ???? May you and your lovely family go from strength to strength and blessing to blessing....and please remember, we're ALL here for EACH OTHER.? And?the only 'silly' question is the one that we're afraid to ask!? :-)? Welcome home Amber...you a truly an Ashet Chayil - a ?'Woman of Valor.'? ?Please keep on writing!? :-)?? ??? Okay, so who's next to share THEIR story?? ????Best regards, ???????Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080416/fffa33a3/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Wed Apr 16 18:30:20 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:30:20 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Amber's story In-Reply-To: <8CA6E1E2FDAFE30-CB4-190A@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003c01c8a019$d62b5610$643c66c9@bettygivin> Amber, WOW! And that really doesn't even come close to describing that story! What courage and conviction! May we all have courage of that sort! There is an expression in Hebrew, "Chazak, chazak, v'neit chazak!" Loosely translated, it means, "be strong, be strong, be very strong!" You are a perfect example of someone exemplifying that type of courage and standing in it! Yes, Welcome Home, Amber! I agree you are a" Woman of Valor" (Proverbs 31). Your children will truly rise up and call you blessed! And, Chris, you are to be commended as well for not giving up on Amber and for having the courage to join her in this Path! Your story has blessed my life and the lives of the ones who have heard it, and will certainly bless the lives of many in the future! With this kind of "jump start," there is no end to what HaShem has in store for you! Love and Blessings to you and yours, Betty/Elisheva(my Hebrew name) _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of youngbarzel at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:16 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Amber's story Shalom to all, Hey Amber - WOW!!! That is some story...and yes, that's exactly what I had in mind, when I suggested you share your experiences; YOUR story :-) I am sure others will begin to write and while telling THEIR stories, you'll see that you are NOT crazy, and that what you experienced has happened (with variations, to others). Listen, HaShem is calling us all home; gathering HIS people (ALL of them), and bringing them home to Torah...in your case, perhaps he was SHOUTING, but it was HE, who inspired you, that's for sure; and the timing of the Chagim (holidays) with your 'feelings' to do certain things is uncanny....certainly not a coincidence! You are very courageous to have taken the steps that you did, when you did them. HaShem cut right into your soul it seems, amazing....but ALL in a good way! :-) May you and your lovely family go from strength to strength and blessing to blessing....and please remember, we're ALL here for EACH OTHER. And the only 'silly' question is the one that we're afraid to ask! :-) Welcome home Amber...you a truly an Ashet Chayil - a 'Woman of Valor.' Please keep on writing! :-) Okay, so who's next to share THEIR story? Best regards, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right. _____ Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080416/b9167456/attachment.html From mhyde7 at tds.net Wed Apr 16 19:26:32 2008 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:26:32 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Amber's story In-Reply-To: <003c01c8a019$d62b5610$643c66c9@bettygivin> References: <8CA6E1E2FDAFE30-CB4-190A@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> <003c01c8a019$d62b5610$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: <008701c8a021$b2b54c10$0200a8c0@marvin> Amber and Chris, Nice to have you guys join us. Although, I did not make the conference this year my heart and prayers were with you all. Your story touched me.. As I'm sure it will many who reads it. God, brings each of us in his own way and in his own time. It is amazing to read of our different journeys. Some one posted these last few days they were from Tennessee, was that you guys? Shalom , marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Betty Givin Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:30 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Amber's story Amber, WOW! And that really doesn't even come close to describing that story! What courage and conviction! May we all have courage of that sort! There is an expression in Hebrew, "Chazak, chazak, v'neit chazak!" Loosely translated, it means, "be strong, be strong, be very strong!" You are a perfect example of someone exemplifying that type of courage and standing in it! Yes, Welcome Home, Amber! I agree you are a" Woman of Valor" (Proverbs 31). Your children will truly rise up and call you blessed! And, Chris, you are to be commended as well for not giving up on Amber and for having the courage to join her in this Path! Your story has blessed my life and the lives of the ones who have heard it, and will certainly bless the lives of many in the future! With this kind of "jump start," there is no end to what HaShem has in store for you! Love and Blessings to you and yours, Betty/Elisheva(my Hebrew name) _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of youngbarzel at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:16 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Amber's story Shalom to all, Hey Amber - WOW!!! That is some story...and yes, that's exactly what I had in mind, when I suggested you share your experiences; YOUR story :-) I am sure others will begin to write and while telling THEIR stories, you'll see that you are NOT crazy, and that what you experienced has happened (with variations, to others). Listen, HaShem is calling us all home; gathering HIS people (ALL of them), and bringing them home to Torah...in your case, perhaps he was SHOUTING, but it was HE, who inspired you, that's for sure; and the timing of the Chagim (holidays) with your 'feelings' to do certain things is uncanny....certainly not a coincidence! You are very courageous to have taken the steps that you did, when you did them. HaShem cut right into your soul it seems, amazing....but ALL in a good way! :-) May you and your lovely family go from strength to strength and blessing to blessing....and please remember, we're ALL here for EACH OTHER. And the only 'silly' question is the one that we're afraid to ask! :-) Welcome home Amber...you a truly an Ashet Chayil - a 'Woman of Valor.' Please keep on writing! :-) Okay, so who's next to share THEIR story? Best regards, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right. _____ Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080416/30d34e42/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Wed Apr 16 20:50:30 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:50:30 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I love you, Amber!!! Your story is so wonderful, and I'm so very happy that you told it to everyone. I bless HaShem for sending your family into my life. You have enriched us all, and we are the better for knowing you. I just wish you were here so I could get one more hug from you!!! Your listening heart is what we all must have in order for the L-RD to use us in this Time! This IS the Time, and we ARE the people who have been lost for 2,700 years! We are turning and Returning to our Father, the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. How very blessed we all are that He is gathering us in His arms. My love to you, Precious Ones, Pat From: chris fordham Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:03 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Conference Okay........here goes but some people may not believe it. My husband and I were both raised in a Nazarene church. We met when he was 15 and I was 16. We went to high school together. We were married in 1997. We have two children. My husband and I have much trust and faith in one another which was shaken when we went through our "experience". It was that hard to believe. To make a long story short....I was praying and reading scripture one night, actually even into the early morning when I was convicted of the day we were worshipping. When I discussed what happened to me that night my husband kind of brushed it off, which later, you'll see he couldn't ignore anymore. He asked "How can you be right and all these millions of people be wrong?" As a christian back then I had grown stagnant an was starving spiritually. My husband was on the board, I taught missionary night, I was the nursery coordinator, we both had Sunday school classes, we ran the children's church, we were in the choir, we sang duets, I was VBS coordinator,etc...............I still wasn't being fed. Well if you know me, I am an all or nothing sort of person. When I was convicted of the Sabbath I could not ignore it. So I left the church. This was about 4 1/2 years ago. No one understood; not even my husband! The struggle really began when I told my husband I was convicted of cooking some of his favorite meals and in fact I couldn't cook him meat anymore especially if it was pork. I was vegetarian when we married so I didn't care for meat anyhow. So now we have the Sabbath issue and the meat and pork issue. At first I thought Sabbath was just Saturday all day long.....until we were at Ryans one Friday night, which was our tradition after his work week (which at the time was 7 days a week), and I had an experience as we were getting ready to pay for our meal. I told Chris to stop and we stepped aside a minite. I said we can't eat here tonight. Of course he didn't understand. I said look at that banner, "All you can eat BBQ, this place is unclean!" Chris said "What are you talking about? You don't make any sense Amber. Where are you getting this stuff? Who have you been talking to? What have you been reading?" I said "It's Inside of me! I haven't talked to anyone! I'm not reading anything(except scripture)! But we have to leave now! We'll just be wasting our money beause we can't have bread this week!" "What do you mean we can't have bread this week" he asked. "I don't know" I said! When we got in the car he was so mad he hit the steering wheel and was just yelling and asking "What are we going to feed Lindsey Amber? I guess we can't eat anything!" I explained we still had fruits and vegetables! Well, a few months go by and things are changing really fast. We were getting lots of visitors and calls asking what was wrong, where had we been, if we were coming back. My mother during this time asked Chris to commit me. She told him they only needed one signature from a spouse. He refused so she called my dad for a second signature, my dad refused also. When he refused she called my grandfather who said he would think about it since he had been hearing stories from the family, but he needed to see me for himself first. Well............the timing wasn't good because by the time he got there I had been convicted to camp out for a week. I still didn't know anything about the Holy Days or Feasts or Festivals at this time! But I had this huge urgency and need to go to the camping store and buy a tent, sleeping bags for us all, flashlights, lanterns, oil, etc. When Chris got home I had moved all of the furniture out of the kitchen/dining room and set up camp in our home! I even asked Chris to cut the power off that week! He said "Are you crazy? What am I suppose to tell the people at the power company? Oh, cut my power off for seven days. I will be glad to pay the reconnection fee after one week but please make sure it stays off for seven days!? You're going to see someone. You have lost your mind. Your mother was right." At this time, the doorbell rings. It was my grandfather. What bad timing! He even teared up when he saw me. He asked was everything okay. I said things were better than ever! He said, then what's all that stuff in your kitchen? I couldn't explain it. So, I saw a therapist for a while..............until I found a book on the Sabbath AND the Fall Feasts And Spring Festivals! I had almost started to believe I was crazy! I was screaming! Chris! Chris! Look! I'm not crazy! Well, here he come along with everyone in the building! They were all staring at me(like I was crazy again). We were at an adventist church at this time because it was the only place I knew of that kept Sabbath. The books were in their library and were written by a Sameul Bacchiochi who was an adventist. When I saw Passover and Unleavened Bread and Feast of Tabernacles I can't tell you how relieved I was. I had never heard of these before! I had never been taught these before! For the first time I could convince my husband that it wasn't just me! There were others.....somewhere out there! Of course I was called out of the Adventist church since they couldn't answer how come they kept Sabbath but not the Holy Days! So, we started searching for a Passover Seder. It was that time again and we had never celebrated it (other than the year before by going one week without bread)! So, we found Temple Beth El! We had our first traditional Seder there. The place we had the screening and desserts the other day! It took 1 1/2 years for my husband to understand it all. We lost ALL of our friends and most of our family! We don't care at this point anymore. Our prayer is bring into our life who you want there and weed out who you don't. My husband and I are finally back on the same page. There is no doubt in either of our minds that we are on the right path. We are one! And the strangest thing of all is when we looked back on the calendar the week we went without bread and the week we set up camp were the same weeks that the Feast fell under! Go figure! That is a short version of our story! On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:46 AM, wrote: Hey Amber - May I make a suggestion? Why not tell the group a little bit (or a lot!) about the 'journey' that YOUR family has begun taking. That will, in turn, get the others on the list to start telling THEIR stories, which will benefit ALL of us. Ross had asked me to write a ".brief introduction.." when I first joined the list, and I wound up writing a 9 part saga, followed by 3 additional chapters! But hey, that's just me... LOL :-) Let's start sharing our stories, and you'll see - not only what SO MANY of us have in common, but how SO MANY of us can help each other... Just a thought in the midst of an insane day....and once again, GREAT meeting you guys! B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael (With Love of Judah & Israel), Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's Tax Time! 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From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:03 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject) Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when HaSHeM bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad. Psalms 14:7 So shall ye know that I am HaSHeM your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. Joel 3:17 For I, saith HaSHeM, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her. Zechariah 2:5 And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am HaSHeM their God, and will hear them. Zechariah 10:6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080416/fbf6ab45/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Wed Apr 16 23:38:11 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:38:11 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c8a044$d8432b00$643c66c9@bettygivin> Yes, Baruch HaShem! _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Pat Robbins Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:55 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] (no subject) GLORY TO G-D!!!!!!! HIS WORDS ARE LIKE COSTLY OIL POURED OVER OUR HEADS. From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:03 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject) Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when HaSHeM bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad. Psalms 14:7 So shall ye know that I am HaSHeM your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. Joel 3:17 For I, saith HaSHeM, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her. Zechariah 2:5 And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am HaSHeM their God, and will hear them. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002b01c8a04e$75e11e40$643c66c9@bettygivin> Ronnie, Hanoch and all, Yes, great description of the conference.the only thing I would add is the humble and beautiful presence of Steve Mathe, a man whose spirituality and wisdom is indescribable, and one who "poked" us and provoked us to think and open up our hearts to share. _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of YoungBarzel at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:17 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... Shalom to all! With my dear friend Ronnie Fulcher's permission, I cut and pasted below a note that he wrote about the United Israel World Union conference we just had. My response is below his note, in blue; please scroll down... Ronnie wrote: This years conference was about the best that I have ever attended. From the passion of Hanoch to the knowledge of John Hulley, Ross Nichols, Joe Good, Susan Roth, James Tabor and espically Simcha Jacobovici, the conference was intense. With approximately 100 people attending, the new faces gave all of us the feeling we were not alone. I know that several people couldn't make the conference so maybe audio reproductions may be avaliable in time. While attending the Jewish Community Center to view the film The Exodus Decoded, I meet several Jews who had no idea what the UIWU was about. They were amazed at the fact that gentiles were studying Torah and wanted to move to Israel. Looks like there may be a demographic that needs more enlightening? The "Newbies" had fantastic stories of why they were turned on to this conference and their quest for more knowledge. I enjoyed meeting so many of them plus those on the list that I had never met. I will be sending a link to several pictures in a few days for those who would like to see some of the events & people. Anticipation & Expectations of future events is high. Maybe in the near future an an offical presence in Israel could be real event. - Whay do you think Hanoch?????? I have no doubt that discussions at the meeting could have major global impact. The movers and shakers attending the meeting have the capability to get things done. May I also say that the meeting was like a grand family reunion. The love shown by so many impacted surely reached across the Branches of Judah & Joseph. Thanks to all who had a part. Shalom to All, Ronnie Wow Ronnie, I can't believe you beat me to a computer!! I thought I'd get the first word in about this extraordinary conference. :-) Firstly, thank you for the kind comments, and your description of the entire meeting is totally on target - the best, AND biggest that I've ever attended (and that goes back to approximately 1993, when I was a mere lad...). And my friend, you are SO right - big thing are in the air...no doubt about it!! The only thing I'd add to your description is the wonderful entertainment on Sunday night led by David and Patty and the GREAT (unbelievable, is more like it) musicians from our group itself! It was INTENSE, and so much fun all at the same time. I have already gotten several personal emails from some of the "newbies" you mentioned, and I am feeling SO PUMPED UP right now, you have no idea!! Honestly, my head is still spinning, and I'm just trying to catch my breath :-) Special thanks to James for making this all happen - I appreciate it personally, as well as on behalf of our cause of Return & Reunification. And Ronnie, that presence in the Land....yeah...MUCH to say about that, too!! :-) There's a lot going on about that, that I didn't mention. There are many things being worked on, and more to follow. Paraphrasing Bette Davis, "..you better buckle in, cause it's gonna be a bumpy ride!" :-) :-) And Ronnie, thanks again for the ride to the airport...I had misread my ticket, my plane was scheduled to take off at 1:05!! LOL...barely made it!! So many stories, such an incredible time, and so much that was accomplished....what an amazing experience.....Shalom Y'all.... B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... _____ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think that we are beginning to see a growing fulfillment of the prophecy in Deut 30.for we are hearing his clarion call and responding! It appears that HaShem is doing a work amongst us on many different levels, and it is so refreshing to see and be a part of. Before the conference, Steve Mathe urged us to pray for Divine Guidance for the speakers that they might bring us a message from Him. Many of us agreed to pray and it is evident by all the things that took place that HaShem answered that prayer. I think it is of utmost importance that we continue to pray for that Divine Guidance in our individual live and corporate lives as we fervently pray for one another and do what we are called upon to do, knowing that, "HaShem will hasten it in its time." Hanoch, I know you are busy with work and your Pesach preparation. We will be only too happy to hear your thoughts when you have the time to put them all together. I pray that the next two days at work will run smoothly for you and that you will be able to complete your preparations for Passover in a timely manner without undue stress. May you and your lovely Kyra (your"mini me") have a beautiful and blessed Pesach, and may the words at the end of the Seder, "NEXT YEAR IN YERUSHALAYIM!" become a reality. Chag Sameach to you and all! B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of YoungBarzel at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:48 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] A real breakthrough... Shalom to all, Although I want to write a long description of what I mean (I ALWAYS seem to want to write long descriptions, don't I? LOL), I truly believe that this past weekend's conference was a true BREAKTHROUGH in our individual and collective attempts toward Reunion and Return... I am overwhelmed by the 'vibes' that everything is now different, that we have crossed a 'line;' together - as we should be. I have had verses from the Tanach running through my head since I got to the Charlotte airport. Of course I will share them with the group, but can't right now. Work is too demanding right now, and Pesah preparation cannot wait any longer....but, G-d willing, I will write a more detailed email explaining my feelings and impressions. And of course, some next steps :-) Not sure how much I can write between now and Monday night, but I will try - just bare with me a bit, okay? Toda (thanks) to all! B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... _____ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/e2d5d67b/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Thu Apr 17 00:54:12 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:54:12 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003b01c8a04f$76ba4ac0$643c66c9@bettygivin> Ronnie, Hanoch and all, Yes, great description of the conference.the only thing I would add is the humble and beautiful presence of Steve Mathe, a man whose spirituality and wisdom is indescribable, and one who "poked" us and provoked us to think and open up our hearts to share. _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of YoungBarzel at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:17 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... Shalom to all! With my dear friend Ronnie Fulcher's permission, I cut and pasted below a note that he wrote about the United Israel World Union conference we just had. My response is below his note, in blue; please scroll down... Ronnie wrote: This years conference was about the best that I have ever attended. From the passion of Hanoch to the knowledge of John Hulley, Ross Nichols, Joe Good, Susan Roth, James Tabor and espically Simcha Jacobovici, the conference was intense. With approximately 100 people attending, the new faces gave all of us the feeling we were not alone. I know that several people couldn't make the conference so maybe audio reproductions may be avaliable in time. While attending the Jewish Community Center to view the film The Exodus Decoded, I meet several Jews who had no idea what the UIWU was about. They were amazed at the fact that gentiles were studying Torah and wanted to move to Israel. Looks like there may be a demographic that needs more enlightening? The "Newbies" had fantastic stories of why they were turned on to this conference and their quest for more knowledge. I enjoyed meeting so many of them plus those on the list that I had never met. I will be sending a link to several pictures in a few days for those who would like to see some of the events & people. Anticipation & Expectations of future events is high. Maybe in the near future an an offical presence in Israel could be real event. - Whay do you think Hanoch?????? I have no doubt that discussions at the meeting could have major global impact. The movers and shakers attending the meeting have the capability to get things done. May I also say that the meeting was like a grand family reunion. The love shown by so many impacted surely reached across the Branches of Judah & Joseph. Thanks to all who had a part. Shalom to All, Ronnie Wow Ronnie, I can't believe you beat me to a computer!! I thought I'd get the first word in about this extraordinary conference. :-) Firstly, thank you for the kind comments, and your description of the entire meeting is totally on target - the best, AND biggest that I've ever attended (and that goes back to approximately 1993, when I was a mere lad...). And my friend, you are SO right - big thing are in the air...no doubt about it!! The only thing I'd add to your description is the wonderful entertainment on Sunday night led by David and Patty and the GREAT (unbelievable, is more like it) musicians from our group itself! It was INTENSE, and so much fun all at the same time. I have already gotten several personal emails from some of the "newbies" you mentioned, and I am feeling SO PUMPED UP right now, you have no idea!! Honestly, my head is still spinning, and I'm just trying to catch my breath :-) Special thanks to James for making this all happen - I appreciate it personally, as well as on behalf of our cause of Return & Reunification. And Ronnie, that presence in the Land....yeah...MUCH to say about that, too!! :-) There's a lot going on about that, that I didn't mention. There are many things being worked on, and more to follow. Paraphrasing Bette Davis, "..you better buckle in, cause it's gonna be a bumpy ride!" :-) :-) And Ronnie, thanks again for the ride to the airport...I had misread my ticket, my plane was scheduled to take off at 1:05!! LOL...barely made it!! So many stories, such an incredible time, and so much that was accomplished....what an amazing experience.....Shalom Y'all.... B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... _____ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/cea22b77/attachment.html From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Thu Apr 17 03:12:32 2008 From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:12:32 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Pesachs and meanings Message-ID: <200804170812.m3H8CQiN019738@mail2535.carrierzone.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/c51adba5/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 06:50:19 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:50:19 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Pat: Love you too! It sounds like a wonderful story but for a while there Chris forbid me to tell it! Ha! Ha! Hopefully he will tell his story next! I want to hear some of your stories! WE bless HaShem for sending your families into our lives. In just a short time we have felt so uplifted and full of joy! I wish we lived closer also but it seems He has us just where he wants us for the time being. Can't wait to hear from you again! Keep in touch! Shalom, Amber Apr 16, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Pat Robbins wrote: > I love you, Amber!!! Your story is so wonderful, and I'm so very happy > that you told it to everyone. I bless HaShem for sending your family into > my life. You have enriched us all, and we are the better for knowing you. > I just wish you were here so I could get one more hug from you!!! Your > listening heart is what we all must have in order for the L-RD to use us in > this Time! This IS the Time, and we ARE the people who have been lost for > 2,700 years! We are turning and Returning to our Father, the G-d of > Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. How very blessed we all are that He is gathering > us in His arms. > > My love to you, Precious Ones, > > Pat > > *From:* chris fordham > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:03 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Conference > > Okay........here goes but some people may not believe it. My husband > and I were both raised in a Nazarene church. We met when he was 15 and I > was 16. We went to high school together. We were married in 1997. We have > two children. My husband and I have much trust and faith in one another > which was shaken when we went through our "experience". It was that hard to > believe. To make a long story short....I was praying and reading scripture > one night, actually even into the early morning when I was convicted of the > day we were worshipping. When I discussed what happened to me that night my > husband kind of brushed it off, which later, you'll see he couldn't ignore > anymore. He asked "How can you be right and all these millions of people be > wrong?" As a christian back then I had grown stagnant an was starving > spiritually. My husband was on the board, I taught missionary night, I was > the nursery coordinator, we both had Sunday school classes, we ran the > children's church, we were in the choir, we sang duets, I was VBS > coordinator,etc...............I still wasn't being fed. Well if you know > me, I am an all or nothing sort of person. When I was convicted of the > Sabbath I could not ignore it. So I left the church. This was about 4 1/2 > years ago. No one understood; not even my husband! The struggle really > began when I told my husband I was convicted of cooking some of his favorite > meals and in fact I couldn't cook him meat anymore especially if it was > pork. I was vegetarian when we married so I didn't care for meat anyhow. > So now we have the Sabbath issue and the meat and pork issue. At first I > thought Sabbath was just Saturday all day long.....until we were at Ryans > one Friday night, which was our tradition after his work week (which at the > time was 7 days a week), and I had an experience as we were getting ready to > pay for our meal. I told Chris to stop and we stepped aside a minite. I > said we can't eat here tonight. Of course he didn't understand. I said > look at that banner, "All you can eat BBQ, this place is unclean!" Chris > said "What are you talking about? You don't make any sense Amber. Where > are you getting this stuff? Who have you been talking to? What have you > been reading?" I said "It's Inside of me! I haven't talked to anyone! I'm > not reading anything(except scripture)! But we have to leave now! We'll > just be wasting our money beause we can't have bread this week!" "What do > you mean we can't have bread this week" he asked. "I don't know" I said! > When we got in the car he was so mad he hit the steering wheel and was just > yelling and asking "What are we going to feed Lindsey Amber? I guess we > can't eat anything!" I explained we still had fruits and vegetables! Well, > a few months go by and things are changing really fast. We were getting > lots of visitors and calls asking what was wrong, where had we been, if we > were coming back. My mother during this time asked Chris to commit me. She > told him they only needed one signature from a spouse. He refused so she > called my dad for a second signature, my dad refused also. When he > refused she called my grandfather who said he would think about it since he > had been hearing stories from the family, but he needed to see me for > himself first. Well............the timing wasn't good because by the time > he got there I had been convicted to camp out for a week. I still didn't > know anything about the Holy Days or Feasts or Festivals at this time! But > I had this huge urgency and need to go to the camping store and buy a tent, > sleeping bags for us all, flashlights, lanterns, oil, etc. When Chris got > home I had moved all of the furniture out of the kitchen/dining room and set > up camp in our home! I even asked Chris to cut the power off that week! He > said "Are you crazy? What am I suppose to tell the people at the power > company? Oh, cut my power off for seven days. I will be glad to pay the > reconnection fee after one week but please make sure it stays off for seven > days!? You're going to see someone. You have lost your mind. Your mother > was right." At this time, the doorbell rings. It was my grandfather. What > bad timing! He even teared up when he saw me. He asked was everything > okay. I said things were better than ever! He said, then what's all that > stuff in your kitchen? I couldn't explain it. So, I saw a therapist for a > while..............until I found a book on the Sabbath AND the Fall > Feasts And Spring Festivals! I had almost started to believe I was crazy! > I was screaming! Chris! Chris! Look! I'm not crazy! Well, here he come > along with everyone in the building! They were all staring at me(like I was > crazy again). We were at an adventist church at this time because it was > the only place I knew of that kept Sabbath. The books were in their library > and were written by a Sameul Bacchiochi who was an adventist. When I saw > Passover and Unleavened Bread and Feast of Tabernacles I can't tell you how > relieved I was. I had never heard of these before! I had never been taught > these before! For the first time I could convince my husband that it wasn't > just me! There were others.....somewhere out there! Of course I was called > out of the Adventist church since they couldn't answer how come they kept > Sabbath but not the Holy Days! So, we started searching for a Passover > Seder. It was that time again and we had never celebrated it (other than > the year before by going one week without bread)! So, we found Temple Beth > El! We had our first traditional Seder there. The place we had the > screening and desserts the other day! It took 1 1/2 years for my husband to > understand it all. We lost ALL of our friends and most of our family! We > don't care at this point anymore. Our prayer is bring into our life who you > want there and weed out who you don't. My husband and I are finally back on > the same page. There is no doubt in either of our minds that we are on the > right path. We are one! And the strangest thing of all is when we looked > back on the calendar the week we went without bread and the week we set up > camp were the same weeks that the Feast fell under! Go figure! That is a > short version of our story! > > > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:46 AM, wrote: > > > Hey Amber - > > > > May I make a suggestion? Why not tell the group a little bit (or a > > lot!) about the 'journey' that YOUR family has begun taking. That will, in > > turn, get the others on the list to start telling THEIR stories, which will > > benefit ALL of us. > > > > Ross had asked me to write a ".brief introduction.." when I first > > joined the list, and I wound up writing a 9 part saga, followed by 3 > > additional chapters! But hey, that's just me... LOL :-) > > > > Let's start sharing our stories, and you'll see - not only what SO > > MANY of us have in common, but how SO MANY of us can help each other... > > > > Just a thought in the midst of an insane day....and once again, > > GREAT meeting you guys! > > > > B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael (With Love of Judah & Israel), > > > > * Hanoch *the Lil Lion of Judah > > *Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...* > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance > > . > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Your presence in Charlotte, with your reminders that it is only through HaShem and HIS guidance that we will be successful, were crucial for the extraordinary success of that meeting. And the meeting is one event,. whose ripple effects will be felt for many years to come...trust me on that one! :-) We have crossed the 'threshold' together, and with G-d's help, it will lead to creating a true Movement focused on Return, Reconciliation and Reunion. May HaShem bless you for all you do, and may you and your family have a Chag Sameach! With much appreciation, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/19725a12/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 08:44:36 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:44:36 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Amber's story In-Reply-To: <008701c8a021$b2b54c10$0200a8c0@marvin> References: <8CA6E1E2FDAFE30-CB4-190A@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> <003c01c8a019$d62b5610$643c66c9@bettygivin> <008701c8a021$b2b54c10$0200a8c0@marvin> Message-ID: Shalom Marvin: Thanks for your prayers. We are not from Tennessee, we live in South Carolina. Chris works in Noth Carolina. I tink Tracy was from Tennessee! Chag Sameach! Chris and Amber Fordham On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:26 PM, mhyde wrote: > Amber and Chris, > > > > Nice to have you guys join us. Although, I did not make the conference > this year my heart and prayers were with you all. Your story touched > me?. As I'm sure it will many who reads it. God, brings each of us in his > own way and in his own time. It is amazing to read of our different > journeys. Some one posted these last few days they were from Tennessee, > was that you guys? > > > > Shalom , > > > > marvin > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *Betty Givin > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:30 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* RE: [Dialogue] Amber's story > > > > Amber, WOW! And that really doesn't even come close to describing that > story! What courage and conviction! May we all have courage of that sort! > There is an expression in Hebrew, "Chazak, chazak, v'neit chazak!" Loosely > translated, it means, "be strong, be strong, be very strong!" You are a > perfect example of someone exemplifying that type of courage and standing in > it! Yes,* Welcome Home*, *Amber! *I agree you are a" Woman of Valor" > (Proverbs 31). Your children will truly rise up and call you blessed! And, > Chris, you are to be commended as well for not giving up on Amber and for > having the courage to join her in this Path! > > > > Your story has blessed my life and the lives of the ones who have heard > it, and will certainly bless the lives of many in the future! With this > kind of "jump start," there is no end to what HaShem has in store for you! > > > > Love and Blessings to you and yours, > > > > Betty/Elisheva(my Hebrew name) > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *youngbarzel at aol.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:16 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* [Dialogue] Amber's story > > > > Shalom to all, > > Hey Amber - > > WOW!!! That is *some story*...and yes, that's exactly what I had in > mind, when I suggested you share your experiences; YOUR story :-) I am > sure others will begin to write and while telling THEIR stories, you'll see > that you are NOT crazy, and that what you experienced has happened (with > variations, to others). Listen, HaShem is calling us all home; gathering > HIS people (ALL of them), and bringing them home to Torah...in your case, > perhaps he was SHOUTING, but it was HE, who inspired you, that's for sure; > and the timing of the Chagim (holidays) with your 'feelings' to do certain > things is uncanny....certainly not a coincidence! You are very courageous > to have taken the steps that you did, when you did them. HaShem cut right > into your soul it seems, amazing....but ALL in a good way! :-) > > May you and your lovely family go from strength to strength and > blessing to blessing....and please remember, we're ALL here for EACH OTHER. > And the only 'silly' question is the one that we're afraid to ask! :-) *Welcome > home Amber*...you a truly an Ashet Chayil - a 'Woman of Valor.' Please > keep on writing! :-) > > Okay, so who's next to share THEIR story? > > Best regards, > > * Hanoch **the Lil Lion of Judah** > **Now we all know Rav Kahane was right.* > > ------------------------------ > > Get the MapQuest Toolbar, > Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My love to all, Pat From: Betty Givin Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:47 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... Ronnie, Hanoch and all, Yes, great description of the conference.the only thing I would add is the humble and beautiful presence of Steve Mathe, a man whose spirituality and wisdom is indescribable, and one who "poked" us and provoked us to think and open up our hearts to share. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of YoungBarzel at aol.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:17 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... Shalom to all! With my dear friend Ronnie Fulcher's permission, I cut and pasted below a note that he wrote about the United Israel World Union conference we just had. My response is below his note, in blue; please scroll down... Ronnie wrote: This years conference was about the best that I have ever attended. From the passion of Hanoch to the knowledge of John Hulley, Ross Nichols, Joe Good, Susan Roth, James Tabor and espically Simcha Jacobovici, the conference was intense. With approximately 100 people attending, the new faces gave all of us the feeling we were not alone. I know that several people couldn't make the conference so maybe audio reproductions may be avaliable in time. While attending the Jewish Community Center to view the film The Exodus Decoded, I meet several Jews who had no idea what the UIWU was about. They were amazed at the fact that gentiles were studying Torah and wanted to move to Israel. Looks like there may be a demographic that needs more enlightening? The "Newbies" had fantastic stories of why they were turned on to this conference and their quest for more knowledge. I enjoyed meeting so many of them plus those on the list that I had never met. I will be sending a link to several pictures in a few days for those who would like to see some of the events & people. Anticipation & Expectations of future events is high. Maybe in the near future an an offical presence in Israel could be real event. - Whay do you think Hanoch?????? I have no doubt that discussions at the meeting could have major global impact. The movers and shakers attending the meeting have the capability to get things done. May I also say that the meeting was like a grand family reunion. The love shown by so many impacted surely reached across the Branches of Judah & Joseph. Thanks to all who had a part. Shalom to All, Ronnie Wow Ronnie, I can't believe you beat me to a computer!! I thought I'd get the first word in about this extraordinary conference. :-) Firstly, thank you for the kind comments, and your description of the entire meeting is totally on target - the best, AND biggest that I've ever attended (and that goes back to approximately 1993, when I was a mere lad...). And my friend, you are SO right - big thing are in the air...no doubt about it!! The only thing I'd add to your description is the wonderful entertainment on Sunday night led by David and Patty and the GREAT (unbelievable, is more like it) musicians from our group itself! It was INTENSE, and so much fun all at the same time. I have already gotten several personal emails from some of the "newbies" you mentioned, and I am feeling SO PUMPED UP right now, you have no idea!! Honestly, my head is still spinning, and I'm just trying to catch my breath :-) Special thanks to James for making this all happen - I appreciate it personally, as well as on behalf of our cause of Return & Reunification. And Ronnie, that presence in the Land....yeah...MUCH to say about that, too!! :-) There's a lot going on about that, that I didn't mention. There are many things being worked on, and more to follow. Paraphrasing Bette Davis, "..you better buckle in, cause it's gonna be a bumpy ride!" :-) :-) And Ronnie, thanks again for the ride to the airport...I had misread my ticket, my plane was scheduled to take off at 1:05!! LOL...barely made it!! So many stories, such an incredible time, and so much that was accomplished....what an amazing experience.....Shalom Y'all.... B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's Tax Time! 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Chris and Amber On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Betty Givin wrote: > Ronnie, Hanoch and all, > > > > Yes, great description of the conference?the only thing I would add is the > humble and beautiful presence of Steve Mathe, a man whose spirituality and > wisdom is indescribable, and one who "poked" us and provoked us to think and > open up our hearts to share. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *YoungBarzel at aol.com > *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2008 8:17 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* [Dialogue] A report on the conference... > > > > Shalom to all! > > > > With my dear friend Ronnie Fulcher's permission, I cut and pasted > below a note that he wrote about the United Israel World Union conference we > just had. My response is below his note, in blue; please scroll down... > > > > Ronnie wrote: > > This years conference was about the best that I have ever attended. From > the passion of Hanoch to the knowledge of John Hulley, Ross Nichols, Joe > Good, Susan Roth, James Tabor and espically Simcha Jacobovici, the > conference was intense. With approximately 100 people attending, the new > faces gave all of us the feeling we were not alone. I know that several > people couldn't make the conference so maybe audio reproductions may be > avaliable in time. > > > > While attending the Jewish Community Center to view the film The Exodus > Decoded, I meet several Jews who had no idea what the UIWU was about. They > were amazed at the fact that gentiles were studying Torah and wanted to move > to Israel. Looks like there may be a demographic that needs more > enlightening? > > > > The "Newbies" had fantastic stories of why they were turned on to this > conference and their quest for more knowledge. I enjoyed meeting so many of > them plus those on the list that I had never met. > > > > I will be sending a link to several pictures in a few days for those who > would like to see some of the events & people. > > > > Anticipation & Expectations of future events is high. Maybe in the near > future an an offical presence in Israel could be real event. - Whay do you > think Hanoch?????? > > > > I have no doubt that discussions at the meeting could have major global > impact. The movers and shakers attending the meeting have the capability to > get things done. > > > > May I also say that the meeting was like a grand family reunion. The love > shown by so many impacted surely reached across the Branches of Judah & > Joseph. > > > > Thanks to all who had a part. > > > > Shalom to All, > > > > Ronnie > > > > Wow Ronnie, I can't believe you beat me to a computer!! I thought I'd > get the first word in about this extraordinary conference. :-) Firstly, > thank you for the kind comments, and your description of the entire meeting > is totally on target - the best, AND biggest that I've *ever *attended > (and that goes back to approximately 1993, when I was a mere lad...). And > my friend, you are SO right - big thing are in the air...no doubt about > it!! > > > > The only thing I'd add to your description is the wonderful > entertainment on Sunday night led by David and Patty and the GREAT > (unbelievable, is more like it) musicians from our group itself! It was > INTENSE, and so much fun all at the same time. I have already gotten > several personal emails from some of the "newbies" you mentioned, and I am > feeling SO PUMPED UP right now, you have no idea!! Honestly, my head is > still spinning, and I'm just trying to catch my breath :-) > > > > * Special thanks to James for making this all happen - I appreciate it* > * personally**, as well as on behalf of our cause of Return & > Reunification. * And Ronnie, that presence in the Land....yeah...MUCH to > say about that, too!! :-) There's a lot going on about that, that I didn't > mention. There are many things being worked on, and more to follow. > Paraphrasing Bette Davis, "..you better buckle in, cause it's gonna be a > bumpy ride!" > > :-) :-) > > > > And Ronnie, thanks again for the ride to the airport...I had misread > my ticket, my plane was scheduled to take off at 1:05!! LOL...barely made > it!! > > > > So many stories, such an incredible time, and so much that was > accomplished....what an amazing experience.....Shalom Y'all.... > > > > B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, > > > > *Hanoch **the Lil Lion of Judah > **Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...* > > > > ------------------------------ > > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance > . > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/2b315555/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Thu Apr 17 09:05:57 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:05:57 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... Message-ID: Hi Pat - I agree with you folks, 150%!! :-) Steve is a special soul, one that I feel has such a deep connection with HaShem, that it's a reminder for us of what we all should be striving for. Best regards, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/76bf670b/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 09:10:05 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:10:05 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Was Ronnie the guy with curly black hair? On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:05 AM, wrote: > Hi Pat - > > I agree with you folks, 150%!! :-) Steve is a special soul, one > that I feel has such a deep connection with HaShem, that it's a reminder for > us of what we all should be striving for. > > Best regards, > * Hanoch *the Lil Lion of Judah > *Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...* > > > > ------------------------------ > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL > Autos . > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/a4cc8343/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 11:04:12 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:04:12 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Amber's story In-Reply-To: References: <8CA6E1E2FDAFE30-CB4-190A@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> <003c01c8a019$d62b5610$643c66c9@bettygivin> <008701c8a021$b2b54c10$0200a8c0@marvin> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804170904l1866f498s29f174f34d665b79@mail.gmail.com> Amber and Chris, Thank you for sharing your amazing story! It was wonderful seeing you with your children. Your daughter (what is her name) singing the Shema was a such blessing. Chag Semeach! Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:44 AM, chris fordham wrote: > Shalom Marvin: > > Thanks for your prayers. We are not from Tennessee, we live in South > Carolina. Chris works in Noth Carolina. I tink Tracy was from Tennessee! > > Chag Sameach! > Chris and Amber Fordham > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:26 PM, mhyde wrote: > > > Amber and Chris, > > > > > > > > Nice to have you guys join us. Although, I did not make the conference > > this year my heart and prayers were with you all. Your story touched > > me?. As I'm sure it will many who reads it. God, brings each of us in his > > own way and in his own time. It is amazing to read of our different > > journeys. Some one posted these last few days they were from Tennessee, > > was that you guys? > > > > > > > > Shalom , > > > > > > > > marvin > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *Betty Givin > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:30 PM > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > *Subject:* RE: [Dialogue] Amber's story > > > > > > > > Amber, WOW! And that really doesn't even come close to describing that > > story! What courage and conviction! May we all have courage of that sort! > > There is an expression in Hebrew, "Chazak, chazak, v'neit chazak!" Loosely > > translated, it means, "be strong, be strong, be very strong!" You are a > > perfect example of someone exemplifying that type of courage and standing in > > it! Yes,* Welcome Home*, *Amber! *I agree you are a" Woman of Valor" > > (Proverbs 31). Your children will truly rise up and call you blessed! And, > > Chris, you are to be commended as well for not giving up on Amber and for > > having the courage to join her in this Path! > > > > > > > > Your story has blessed my life and the lives of the ones who have heard > > it, and will certainly bless the lives of many in the future! With this > > kind of "jump start," there is no end to what HaShem has in store for you! > > > > > > > > Love and Blessings to you and yours, > > > > > > > > Betty/Elisheva(my Hebrew name) > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *youngbarzel at aol.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:16 PM > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > *Subject:* [Dialogue] Amber's story > > > > > > > > Shalom to all, > > > > Hey Amber - > > > > WOW!!! That is *some story*...and yes, that's exactly what I had in > > mind, when I suggested you share your experiences; YOUR story :-) I am > > sure others will begin to write and while telling THEIR stories, you'll see > > that you are NOT crazy, and that what you experienced has happened (with > > variations, to others). Listen, HaShem is calling us all home; gathering > > HIS people (ALL of them), and bringing them home to Torah...in your case, > > perhaps he was SHOUTING, but it was HE, who inspired you, that's for sure; > > and the timing of the Chagim (holidays) with your 'feelings' to do certain > > things is uncanny....certainly not a coincidence! You are very courageous > > to have taken the steps that you did, when you did them. HaShem cut right > > into your soul it seems, amazing....but ALL in a good way! :-) > > > > May you and your lovely family go from strength to strength and > > blessing to blessing....and please remember, we're ALL here for EACH OTHER. > > And the only 'silly' question is the one that we're afraid to ask! :-) > > *Welcome home Amber*...you a truly an Ashet Chayil - a 'Woman of > > Valor.' Please keep on writing! :-) > > > > Okay, so who's next to share THEIR story? > > > > Best regards, > > > > * Hanoch **the Lil Lion of Judah** > > **Now we all know Rav Kahane was right.* > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Get the MapQuest Toolbar, > > Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/1f5ac9ec/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 11:00:43 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:00:43 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Pesachs and meanings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804170900g700c04ay6f768ef65c9fec00@mail.gmail.com> Dear Steve, I agree with all that Hanoch said. Your email was a blessing. Blessed be HaShem for the incite he gives you and all you share with all of us. I don't have the words to express everything in my heart. Just Baruch HaShem! Chag Semeach to you and yours, Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:38 AM, wrote: > Shalom Steve, > > Thanks for such a meaningful email, your thought and insight continue > to inspire me! Your presence in Charlotte, with your reminders that it is > only through HaShem and HIS guidance that we will be successful, were > crucial for the extraordinary success of that meeting. > > And the meeting is one event,. whose ripple effects will be felt for > many years to come...trust me on that one! :-) We have crossed the > 'threshold' together, and with G-d's help, it will lead to creating a true > Movement focused on Return, Reconciliation and Reunion. > > May HaShem bless you for all you do, and may you and your family have > a Chag Sameach! > > With much appreciation, > * Hanoch **the Lil Lion of Judah > Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...* > > > > ------------------------------ > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL > Autos . > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/4396bd33/attachment.html From mhyde7 at tds.net Thu Apr 17 11:20:09 2008 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:20:09 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Amber's story In-Reply-To: References: <8CA6E1E2FDAFE30-CB4-190A@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com><003c01c8a019$d62b5610$643c66c9@bettygivin><008701c8a021$b2b54c10$0200a8c0@marvin> Message-ID: <008701c8a0a6$e9e7ff90$0200a8c0@marvin> A couple more from the south! Good to have you on the journey home! _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Chris Fordham Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:45 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Amber's story Shalom Marvin: Thanks for your prayers. We are not from Tennessee, we live in South Carolina. Chris works in North Carolina. I tank Tracy was from Tennessee! Chug Sam each! Chris and Amber Fordham On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:26 PM, hide wrote: Amber and Chris, Nice to have you guys join us. Although, I did not make the conference this year my heart and prayers were with you all. Your story touched me.. As I'm sure it will many who reads it. God, brings each of us in his own way and in his own time. It is amazing to read of our different journeys. Some one posted these last few days they were from Tennessee, was that you guys? Shalom , Marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Betty Given Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:30 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Amber's story Amber, WOW! And that really doesn't even come close to describing that story! What courage and conviction! May we all have courage of that sort! There is an expression in Hebrew, "Chaska, chazzan, vanity chazzan!" Loosely translated, it means, "be strong, be strong, be very strong!" You are a perfect example of someone exemplifying that type of courage and standing in it! Yes, Welcome Home, Amber! I agree you are a" Woman of Valor" (Proverbs 31). Your children will truly rise up and call you blessed! And, Chris, you are to be commended as well for not giving up on Amber and for having the courage to join her in this Path! Your story has blessed my life and the lives of the ones who have heard it, and will certainly bless the lives of many in the future! With this kind of "jump start," there is no end to what Hasher has in store for you! Love and Blessings to you and yours, Betty/Elisha(my Hebrew name) _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of youngbarzel at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:16 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Amber's story Shalom to all, Hey Amber - WOW!!! That is some story...and yes, that's exactly what I had in mind, when I suggested you share your experiences; YOUR story :-) I am sure others will begin to write and while telling THEIR stories, you'll see that you are NOT crazy, and that what you experienced has happened (with variations, to others). Listen, Hasher is calling us all home; gathering HIS people (ALL of them), and bringing them home to Torah...in your case, perhaps he was SHOUTING, but it was HE, who inspired you, that's for sure; and the timing of the Chagrin (holidays) with your 'feelings' to do certain things is uncanny....certainly not a coincidence! You are very courageous to have taken the steps that you did, when you did them. Hasher cut right into your soul it seems, amazing....but ALL in a good way! :-) May you and your lovely family go from strength to strength and blessing to blessing....and please remember, we're ALL here for EACH OTHER. And the only 'silly' question is the one that we're afraid to ask! :-) Welcome home Amber...you a truly an Ashets Charily - a 'Woman of Valor.' Please keep on writing! :-) Okay, so who's next to share THEIR story? Best regards, Hunch the Lila Lion of Judah Now we all know Rave Klahanie was right. _____ Get the Map Quest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/3ddf3ed4/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 11:53:39 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:53:39 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0804160708q30dd9f47r9ffad8a5e5a67af7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1044774413-1208313329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-465547160-@bxe029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1c8dbb6e0804160708q30dd9f47r9ffad8a5e5a67af7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Kim! Thanks! Betty is your mom, right? Amber On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM, kim alvarado wrote: > Welcome, Chris & Amber! It was wonderful meeting you and your precious > family. Great to have you on the list. > > Kim > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:11 AM, chris fordham > wrote: > > > Shalom: > > > > We just wanted to say hello to everyone! It was great meeting you all > > at the conference. Thanks for making our family feel welcome! What a > > wonderful diverse group of people. We are still trying to sort out all the > > email addresses and names and remember a face to them. Can't wait until we > > can do this again! It's great to know we aren't alone as we had felt for so > > long! Blessings to all! Chris and Amber Fordham > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Ross Nichols wrote: > > > > > Just wanted to tell everyone how much I enjoyed the weekend. I plan on > > > sending a newsletter out this week about Pesach and a few other things. > > > > > > Like everyone else, I am back home and running like crazy to catch up. > > > > > > It was truly a time of refreshing for me to be around so many > > > wonderful people. > > > > > > Love and shalom to you all. I hope to write more frequently to the > > > list as we enter the New Year. > > > > > > Shalom, Ross > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/726c5dd4/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 12:00:05 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:00:05 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Amber's story In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0804170904l1866f498s29f174f34d665b79@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CA6E1E2FDAFE30-CB4-190A@FWM-D37.sysops.aol.com> <003c01c8a019$d62b5610$643c66c9@bettygivin> <008701c8a021$b2b54c10$0200a8c0@marvin> <1c8dbb6e0804170904l1866f498s29f174f34d665b79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Kim! Our daughters name is Lindsey! On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:04 PM, kim alvarado wrote: > Amber and Chris, > > Thank you for sharing your amazing story! It was wonderful seeing you > with your children. Your daughter (what is her name) singing the Shema was > a such blessing. > > Chag Semeach! > > Kim > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:44 AM, chris fordham > wrote: > > > Shalom Marvin: > > > > Thanks for your prayers. We are not from Tennessee, we live in South > > Carolina. Chris works in Noth Carolina. I tink Tracy was from Tennessee! > > > > Chag Sameach! > > Chris and Amber Fordham > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:26 PM, mhyde wrote: > > > > > Amber and Chris, > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice to have you guys join us. Although, I did not make the > > > conference this year my heart and prayers were with you all. Your story > > > touched me?. As I'm sure it will many who reads it. God, brings each of > > > us in his own way and in his own time. It is amazing to read of our > > > different journeys. Some one posted these last few days they were from > > > Tennessee, was that you guys? > > > > > > > > > > > > Shalom , > > > > > > > > > > > > marvin > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > > > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *Betty Givin > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:30 PM > > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > > *Subject:* RE: [Dialogue] Amber's story > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, WOW! And that really doesn't even come close to describing that > > > story! What courage and conviction! May we all have courage of that sort! > > > There is an expression in Hebrew, "Chazak, chazak, v'neit chazak!" Loosely > > > translated, it means, "be strong, be strong, be very strong!" You are a > > > perfect example of someone exemplifying that type of courage and standing in > > > it! Yes,* Welcome Home*, *Amber! *I agree you are a" Woman of Valor" > > > (Proverbs 31). Your children will truly rise up and call you blessed! And, > > > Chris, you are to be commended as well for not giving up on Amber and for > > > having the courage to join her in this Path! > > > > > > > > > > > > Your story has blessed my life and the lives of the ones who have > > > heard it, and will certainly bless the lives of many in the future! With > > > this kind of "jump start," there is no end to what HaShem has in store for > > > you! > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and Blessings to you and yours, > > > > > > > > > > > > Betty/Elisheva(my Hebrew name) > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > > > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *youngbarzel at aol.com > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:16 PM > > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > > *Subject:* [Dialogue] Amber's story > > > > > > > > > > > > Shalom to all, > > > > > > Hey Amber - > > > > > > WOW!!! That is *some story*...and yes, that's exactly what I had > > > in mind, when I suggested you share your experiences; YOUR story :-) I am > > > sure others will begin to write and while telling THEIR stories, you'll see > > > that you are NOT crazy, and that what you experienced has happened (with > > > variations, to others). Listen, HaShem is calling us all home; gathering > > > HIS people (ALL of them), and bringing them home to Torah...in your case, > > > perhaps he was SHOUTING, but it was HE, who inspired you, that's for sure; > > > and the timing of the Chagim (holidays) with your 'feelings' to do certain > > > things is uncanny....certainly not a coincidence! You are very courageous > > > to have taken the steps that you did, when you did them. HaShem cut right > > > into your soul it seems, amazing....but ALL in a good way! :-) > > > > > > May you and your lovely family go from strength to strength and > > > blessing to blessing....and please remember, we're ALL here for EACH OTHER. > > > And the only 'silly' question is the one that we're afraid to ask! :-) > > > *Welcome home Amber*...you a truly an Ashet Chayil - a 'Woman of > > > Valor.' Please keep on writing! :-) > > > > > > Okay, so who's next to share THEIR story? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > * Hanoch **the Lil Lion of Judah** > > > **Now we all know Rav Kahane was right.* > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Get the MapQuest Toolbar, > > > Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/029c0e22/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 12:01:51 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:01:51 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! In-Reply-To: References: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: Pat, Can you remind us who Brian and Beth were? We met so many! Thanks Chris and Amber On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Pat Robbins wrote: > A gigantic AMENto that!!!! It was so great getting to be with the three > of you this weekend. I just wish we all lived close enough to gather > together every week! But because of your unceasing work on all our > behalves, we ARE CONNECTED VIA THE NET!!!!! > > My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, > > Pat > > *From:* Betty Givin > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 > > Dear Brian and Beth, > > > > I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you contribute > behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this one, but > for all of the work you have done over the years. You are both incredibly > special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! Please take this to > heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. > > > > It is so important that those who were not able to attend be able to be a > part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. > > > > We both love and appreciate you both, > > > > Betty/Elisheva > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/da8ab83e/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 12:05:12 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:05:12 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: References: <1044774413-1208313329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-465547160-@bxe029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <1c8dbb6e0804160708q30dd9f47r9ffad8a5e5a67af7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804171005p462b27c1v15d7c8469b8e9117@mail.gmail.com> Yes, Betty is my mom. I am blessed with the most wonderful mother (and uncle, and cousin, and cousin to be -Dan & Tammy Tabor). Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:53 AM, chris fordham wrote: > Hey Kim! Thanks! Betty is your mom, right? Amber > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM, kim alvarado > wrote: > > > Welcome, Chris & Amber! It was wonderful meeting you and your precious > > family. Great to have you on the list. > > > > Kim > > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:11 AM, chris fordham > > wrote: > > > > > Shalom: > > > > > > We just wanted to say hello to everyone! It was great meeting you all > > > at the conference. Thanks for making our family feel welcome! What a > > > wonderful diverse group of people. We are still trying to sort out all the > > > email addresses and names and remember a face to them. Can't wait until we > > > can do this again! It's great to know we aren't alone as we had felt for so > > > long! Blessings to all! Chris and Amber Fordham > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Ross Nichols > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Just wanted to tell everyone how much I enjoyed the weekend. I plan > > > > on sending a newsletter out this week about Pesach and a few other things. > > > > > > > > Like everyone else, I am back home and running like crazy to catch > > > > up. > > > > > > > > It was truly a time of refreshing for me to be around so many > > > > wonderful people. > > > > > > > > Love and shalom to you all. I hope to write more frequently to the > > > > list as we enter the New Year. > > > > > > > > Shalom, Ross > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/fae0c258/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 12:07:58 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:07:58 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! In-Reply-To: References: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804171007k1db8dd4fl77ef52f26abbd093@mail.gmail.com> Amber, Brian was the guy recording the speakers (changing the tapes). He makes this list possible. Beth has long curly hair and she was taking pictures of everyone. They live in Houston. Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM, chris fordham wrote: > Pat, Can you remind us who Brian and Beth were? We met so many! Thanks > Chris and Amber > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Pat Robbins > wrote: > > > A gigantic AMENto that!!!! It was so great getting to be with the > > three of you this weekend. I just wish we all lived close enough to gather > > together every week! But because of your unceasing work on all our > > behalves, we ARE CONNECTED VIA THE NET!!!!! > > > > My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, > > > > Pat > > > > *From:* Betty Givin > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > *Subject:* [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 > > > > Dear Brian and Beth, > > > > > > > > I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you contribute > > behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this one, but > > for all of the work you have done over the years. You are both incredibly > > special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! Please take this to > > heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. > > > > > > > > It is so important that those who were not able to attend be able to be > > a part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. > > > > > > > > We both love and appreciate you both, > > > > > > > > Betty/Elisheva > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/03ea6a18/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 12:14:14 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:14:14 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0804171007k1db8dd4fl77ef52f26abbd093@mail.gmail.com> References: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin> <1c8dbb6e0804171007k1db8dd4fl77ef52f26abbd093@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Kim: Do they call Beth Joy? Amber On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM, kim alvarado wrote: > Amber, > > Brian was the guy recording the speakers (changing the tapes). He makes > this list possible. Beth has long curly hair and she was taking pictures of > everyone. They live in Houston. > > Kim > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM, chris fordham > wrote: > > > Pat, Can you remind us who Brian and Beth were? We met so many! > > Thanks Chris and Amber > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Pat Robbins < > > patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > A gigantic AMENto that!!!! It was so great getting to be with the > > > three of you this weekend. I just wish we all lived close enough to gather > > > together every week! But because of your unceasing work on all our > > > behalves, we ARE CONNECTED VIA THE NET!!!!! > > > > > > My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > *From:* Betty Givin > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM > > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > > *Subject:* [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 > > > > > > Dear Brian and Beth, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you > > > contribute behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this > > > one, but for all of the work you have done over the years. You are both > > > incredibly special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! Please > > > take this to heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so important that those who were not able to attend be able to > > > be a part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. > > > > > > > > > > > > We both love and appreciate you both, > > > > > > > > > > > > Betty/Elisheva > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/5e565f10/attachment.html From rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 17 12:20:25 2008 From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net (Rudolph Ricciardi) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0804171005p462b27c1v15d7c8469b8e9117@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <440947.46143.qm@web83313.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Dear Kim, It was wonderful to finally meet you. I hope you know how special you are. You radiate with "specialness".......just about one of the sweetest ladies on planet earth !! Love and Chag Sameach, Linda kim alvarado wrote: Yes, Betty is my mom. I am blessed with the most wonderful mother (and uncle, and cousin, and cousin to be -Dan & Tammy Tabor). Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:53 AM, chris fordham wrote: Hey Kim! Thanks! Betty is your mom, right? Amber On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM, kim alvarado wrote: Welcome, Chris & Amber! It was wonderful meeting you and your precious family. Great to have you on the list. Kim On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:11 AM, chris fordham wrote: Shalom: We just wanted to say hello to everyone! It was great meeting you all at the conference. Thanks for making our family feel welcome! What a wonderful diverse group of people. We are still trying to sort out all the email addresses and names and remember a face to them. Can't wait until we can do this again! It's great to know we aren't alone as we had felt for so long! Blessings to all! Chris and Amber Fordham On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Ross Nichols wrote: Just wanted to tell everyone how much I enjoyed the weekend. I plan on sending a newsletter out this week about Pesach and a few other things. Like everyone else, I am back home and running like crazy to catch up. It was truly a time of refreshing for me to be around so many wonderful people. Love and shalom to you all. I hope to write more frequently to the list as we enter the New Year. Shalom, Ross Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shalom to all! Linda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/1ef7df01/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 12:21:33 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:21:33 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! In-Reply-To: References: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin> <1c8dbb6e0804171007k1db8dd4fl77ef52f26abbd093@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804171021n14a871c0s62ad62b2e426ef19@mail.gmail.com> Yes, Joy Beth On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:14 PM, chris fordham wrote: > Kim: Do they call Beth Joy? Amber > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM, kim alvarado > wrote: > > > Amber, > > > > Brian was the guy recording the speakers (changing the tapes). He makes > > this list possible. Beth has long curly hair and she was taking pictures of > > everyone. They live in Houston. > > > > Kim > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM, chris fordham > > wrote: > > > > > Pat, Can you remind us who Brian and Beth were? We met so many! > > > Thanks Chris and Amber > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Pat Robbins < > > > patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > A gigantic AMENto that!!!! It was so great getting to be with the > > > > three of you this weekend. I just wish we all lived close enough to gather > > > > together every week! But because of your unceasing work on all our > > > > behalves, we ARE CONNECTED VIA THE NET!!!!! > > > > > > > > My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > *From:* Betty Givin > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM > > > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > > > *Subject:* [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 > > > > > > > > Dear Brian and Beth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you > > > > contribute behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this > > > > one, but for all of the work you have done over the years. You are both > > > > incredibly special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! Please > > > > take this to heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so important that those who were not able to attend be able to > > > > be a part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We both love and appreciate you both, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betty/Elisheva > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/7ec89232/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 12:25:44 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:25:44 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: <440947.46143.qm@web83313.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1c8dbb6e0804171005p462b27c1v15d7c8469b8e9117@mail.gmail.com> <440947.46143.qm@web83313.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804171025r2dca8e47l235d98a2989438e3@mail.gmail.com> Linda, Thank you! I thought the same about you. I do know,however, from previous emails concerning the Women in Green with you and I both have the same "fighter spirit" inside. Chag Sameach and much love to you and Rudy, Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Rudolph Ricciardi < rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Dear Kim, > > It was wonderful to finally meet you. I hope you know how special you > are. You radiate with "specialness".......just about one of the sweetest > ladies on planet earth !! > > Love and Chag Sameach, > Linda > > *kim alvarado * wrote: > > Yes, Betty is my mom. I am blessed with the most wonderful mother (and > uncle, and cousin, and cousin to be -Dan & Tammy Tabor). > > Kim > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:53 AM, chris fordham > wrote: > > > Hey Kim! Thanks! Betty is your mom, right? Amber > > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM, kim alvarado < > > kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Welcome, Chris & Amber! It was wonderful meeting you and your > > > precious family. Great to have you on the list. > > > > > > Kim > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:11 AM, chris fordham < > > > calbfordham at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Shalom: > > > > > > > > We just wanted to say hello to everyone! It was great meeting you > > > > all at the conference. Thanks for making our family feel welcome! What a > > > > wonderful diverse group of people. We are still trying to sort out all the > > > > email addresses and names and remember a face to them. Can't wait until we > > > > can do this again! It's great to know we aren't alone as we had felt for so > > > > long! Blessings to all! Chris and Amber Fordham > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Ross Nichols > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just wanted to tell everyone how much I enjoyed the weekend. I > > > > > plan on sending a newsletter out this week about Pesach and a few other > > > > > things. > > > > > > > > > > Like everyone else, I am back home and running like crazy to catch > > > > > up. > > > > > > > > > > It was truly a time of refreshing for me to be around so many > > > > > wonderful people. > > > > > > > > > > Love and shalom to you all. I hope to write more frequently to the > > > > > list as we enter the New Year. > > > > > > > > > > Shalom, Ross > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Shalom to all! Linda > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/a2d13b77/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 12:26:11 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:26:11 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0804171021n14a871c0s62ad62b2e426ef19@mail.gmail.com> References: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin> <1c8dbb6e0804171007k1db8dd4fl77ef52f26abbd093@mail.gmail.com> <1c8dbb6e0804171021n14a871c0s62ad62b2e426ef19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Kim: Okay, we remember her. Was her husband dark headed? Kind of Curly hair? Thanks for your help. Amber On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:21 PM, kim alvarado wrote: > Yes, Joy Beth > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:14 PM, chris fordham > wrote: > > > Kim: Do they call Beth Joy? Amber > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM, kim alvarado < > > kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > Brian was the guy recording the speakers (changing the tapes). He > > > makes this list possible. Beth has long curly hair and she was taking > > > pictures of everyone. They live in Houston. > > > > > > Kim > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM, chris fordham < > > > calbfordham at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Pat, Can you remind us who Brian and Beth were? We met so many! > > > > Thanks Chris and Amber > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Pat Robbins < > > > > patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > A gigantic AMENto that!!!! It was so great getting to be with > > > > > the three of you this weekend. I just wish we all lived close enough to > > > > > gather together every week! But because of your unceasing work on all our > > > > > behalves, we ARE CONNECTED VIA THE NET!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Betty Givin > > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM > > > > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > > > > *Subject:* [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 > > > > > > > > > > Dear Brian and Beth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you > > > > > contribute behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this > > > > > one, but for all of the work you have done over the years. You are both > > > > > incredibly special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! Please > > > > > take this to heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so important that those who were not able to attend be able > > > > > to be a part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We both love and appreciate you both, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betty/Elisheva > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/77c8ec41/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 12:30:52 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:30:52 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! In-Reply-To: References: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin> <1c8dbb6e0804171007k1db8dd4fl77ef52f26abbd093@mail.gmail.com> <1c8dbb6e0804171021n14a871c0s62ad62b2e426ef19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804171030j11e94d69wfad1064a7907d1f4@mail.gmail.com> No, he has light brown hair and a beard. He brought his mother to the conference. There was a definite family resemblance. Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:26 PM, chris fordham wrote: > Kim: Okay, we remember her. Was her husband dark headed? Kind of Curly > hair? Thanks for your help. Amber > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:21 PM, kim alvarado > wrote: > > > Yes, Joy Beth > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:14 PM, chris fordham > > wrote: > > > > > Kim: Do they call Beth Joy? Amber > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM, kim alvarado < > > > kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > Brian was the guy recording the speakers (changing the tapes). He > > > > makes this list possible. Beth has long curly hair and she was taking > > > > pictures of everyone. They live in Houston. > > > > > > > > Kim > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM, chris fordham < > > > > calbfordham at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pat, Can you remind us who Brian and Beth were? We met so > > > > > many! Thanks Chris and Amber > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Pat Robbins < > > > > > patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A gigantic AMENto that!!!! It was so great getting to be with > > > > > > the three of you this weekend. I just wish we all lived close enough to > > > > > > gather together every week! But because of your unceasing work on all our > > > > > > behalves, we ARE CONNECTED VIA THE NET!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Betty Givin > > > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM > > > > > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > > > > > *Subject:* [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Brian and Beth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you > > > > > > contribute behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this > > > > > > one, but for all of the work you have done over the years. You are both > > > > > > incredibly special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! Please > > > > > > take this to heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so important that those who were not able to attend be > > > > > > able to be a part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We both love and appreciate you both, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betty/Elisheva > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/c2af7859/attachment.html From rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 17 12:33:04 2008 From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net (Rudolph Ricciardi) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0804171025r2dca8e47l235d98a2989438e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26142.90656.qm@web83310.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> A BIG AMEN to that!! kim alvarado wrote: Linda, Thank you! I thought the same about you. I do know,however, from previous emails concerning the Women in Green with you and I both have the same "fighter spirit" inside. Chag Sameach and much love to you and Rudy, Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Rudolph Ricciardi wrote: Dear Kim, It was wonderful to finally meet you. I hope you know how special you are. You radiate with "specialness".......just about one of the sweetest ladies on planet earth !! Love and Chag Sameach, Linda kim alvarado wrote: Yes, Betty is my mom. I am blessed with the most wonderful mother (and uncle, and cousin, and cousin to be -Dan & Tammy Tabor). Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:53 AM, chris fordham wrote: Hey Kim! Thanks! Betty is your mom, right? Amber On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM, kim alvarado wrote: Welcome, Chris & Amber! It was wonderful meeting you and your precious family. Great to have you on the list. Kim On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:11 AM, chris fordham wrote: Shalom: We just wanted to say hello to everyone! It was great meeting you all at the conference. Thanks for making our family feel welcome! What a wonderful diverse group of people. We are still trying to sort out all the email addresses and names and remember a face to them. Can't wait until we can do this again! It's great to know we aren't alone as we had felt for so long! Blessings to all! Chris and Amber Fordham On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Ross Nichols wrote: Just wanted to tell everyone how much I enjoyed the weekend. I plan on sending a newsletter out this week about Pesach and a few other things. Like everyone else, I am back home and running like crazy to catch up. It was truly a time of refreshing for me to be around so many wonderful people. Love and shalom to you all. I hope to write more frequently to the list as we enter the New Year. Shalom, Ross Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shalom to all! Linda _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Shalom to all! Linda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/c203b0d8/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 12:33:11 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:33:11 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0804171030j11e94d69wfad1064a7907d1f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin> <1c8dbb6e0804171007k1db8dd4fl77ef52f26abbd093@mail.gmail.com> <1c8dbb6e0804171021n14a871c0s62ad62b2e426ef19@mail.gmail.com> <1c8dbb6e0804171030j11e94d69wfad1064a7907d1f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Okay thank you! We'll look at some of the pictures and try to figure it out! It's great to meet so many new people at the same time! Even if we can't put a face to all the name yet! Ha! Ha! On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:30 PM, kim alvarado wrote: > No, he has light brown hair and a beard. He brought his mother to the > conference. There was a definite family resemblance. > > Kim > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:26 PM, chris fordham > wrote: > > > Kim: Okay, we remember her. Was her husband dark headed? Kind of > > Curly hair? Thanks for your help. Amber > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:21 PM, kim alvarado < > > kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Yes, Joy Beth > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:14 PM, chris fordham < > > > calbfordham at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Kim: Do they call Beth Joy? Amber > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM, kim alvarado < > > > > kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > Brian was the guy recording the speakers (changing the tapes). He > > > > > makes this list possible. Beth has long curly hair and she was taking > > > > > pictures of everyone. They live in Houston. > > > > > > > > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM, chris fordham < > > > > > calbfordham at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Pat, Can you remind us who Brian and Beth were? We met so > > > > > > many! Thanks Chris and Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Pat Robbins < > > > > > > patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > A gigantic AMENto that!!!! It was so great getting to be > > > > > > > with the three of you this weekend. I just wish we all lived close enough > > > > > > > to gather together every week! But because of your unceasing work on all > > > > > > > our behalves, we ARE CONNECTED VIA THE NET!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Betty Givin > > > > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM > > > > > > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > > > > > > *Subject:* [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Brian and Beth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you > > > > > > > contribute behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this > > > > > > > one, but for all of the work you have done over the years. You are both > > > > > > > incredibly special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! 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Jeremiah 31:6-7 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Hear the word of HaSHeM, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock. Jeremiah 31:9-10 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim. Isaiah 11:12-13 Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found. Hosea 14:8 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in HaSHeM. Zechariah 10:7 And the glory of HaSHeM shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of HaSHeM hath spoken it. Isaiah 40:5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/11c4682d/attachment.html From dantabor at yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 12:52:47 2008 From: dantabor at yahoo.com (Dan Tabor) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0804171005p462b27c1v15d7c8469b8e9117@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <508025.72988.qm@web45904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> * * * Yep! I think Tammy & I are setting a wedding date somewhere between 2030 and 3010. LOL! kim alvarado wrote: Yes, Betty is my mom. I am blessed with the most wonderful mother (and uncle, and cousin, and cousin to be -Dan & Tammy Tabor). Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:53 AM, chris fordham wrote: Hey Kim! Thanks! Betty is your mom, right? Amber On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM, kim alvarado wrote: Welcome, Chris & Amber! It was wonderful meeting you and your precious family. Great to have you on the list. Kim On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:11 AM, chris fordham wrote: Shalom: We just wanted to say hello to everyone! It was great meeting you all at the conference. Thanks for making our family feel welcome! What a wonderful diverse group of people. We are still trying to sort out all the email addresses and names and remember a face to them. Can't wait until we can do this again! It's great to know we aren't alone as we had felt for so long! Blessings to all! Chris and Amber Fordham On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Ross Nichols wrote: Just wanted to tell everyone how much I enjoyed the weekend. I plan on sending a newsletter out this week about Pesach and a few other things. Like everyone else, I am back home and running like crazy to catch up. It was truly a time of refreshing for me to be around so many wonderful people. Love and shalom to you all. I hope to write more frequently to the list as we enter the New Year. Shalom, Ross Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/6167284c/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 13:20:57 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:20:57 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! In-Reply-To: References: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin> <1c8dbb6e0804171007k1db8dd4fl77ef52f26abbd093@mail.gmail.com> <1c8dbb6e0804171021n14a871c0s62ad62b2e426ef19@mail.gmail.com> <1c8dbb6e0804171030j11e94d69wfad1064a7907d1f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804171120l1d9273c5he5ce726ae2c424e4@mail.gmail.com> There are some photos on the Roots of Faith website. I found one of Brian in the Succoth photo album: row 14, 2 picture. He's standing up in the blue shirt talking to Becky. Here's the link to the page: http://www.rootsoffaith.org/ROF_Succoth_2007.htm. You are more than welcome for the help. :) Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:33 PM, chris fordham wrote: > Okay thank you! We'll look at some of the pictures and try to figure it > out! It's great to meet so many new people at the same time! Even if we > can't put a face to all the name yet! Ha! Ha! > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:30 PM, kim alvarado > wrote: > > > No, he has light brown hair and a beard. He brought his mother to the > > conference. There was a definite family resemblance. > > > > Kim > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:26 PM, chris fordham > > wrote: > > > > > Kim: Okay, we remember her. Was her husband dark headed? Kind of > > > Curly hair? Thanks for your help. Amber > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:21 PM, kim alvarado < > > > kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, Joy Beth > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:14 PM, chris fordham < > > > > calbfordham at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Kim: Do they call Beth Joy? Amber > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM, kim alvarado < > > > > > kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian was the guy recording the speakers (changing the tapes). > > > > > > He makes this list possible. Beth has long curly hair and she was taking > > > > > > pictures of everyone. They live in Houston. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM, chris fordham < > > > > > > calbfordham at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat, Can you remind us who Brian and Beth were? We met so > > > > > > > many! Thanks Chris and Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Pat Robbins < > > > > > > > patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A gigantic AMENto that!!!! It was so great getting to be > > > > > > > > with the three of you this weekend. I just wish we all lived close enough > > > > > > > > to gather together every week! But because of your unceasing work on all > > > > > > > > our behalves, we ARE CONNECTED VIA THE NET!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Betty Givin > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM > > > > > > > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Brian and Beth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you > > > > > > > > contribute behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this > > > > > > > > one, but for all of the work you have done over the years. You are both > > > > > > > > incredibly special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! Please > > > > > > > > take this to heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so important that those who were not able to attend be > > > > > > > > able to be a part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We both love and appreciate you both, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betty/Elisheva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope to write again before Pesah, but if not - a Chag Sameach to everyone and their families. Best regards, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/fb11b801/attachment.html From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Thu Apr 17 16:16:30 2008 From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:16:30 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] A real breakthrough... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200804172116.m3HLGUG7023343@pmail2540.carrierzone.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/f820dc6e/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Thu Apr 17 16:47:41 2008 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:47:41 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] A real breakthrough... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <041720082147.21940.4807C57D0002F2F0000055B422243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Hanoch, I was searching for something that might comfort you and I was led to Numbers 10. I don't know if will help but it is what I found. -- John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from YoungBarzel at aol.com: -------------- Dear Betty - Thank you for the kind words...always appreciated. In terms of work, I have gotten home after midnight for the last 2 nights, and actually had to go in today, too (I had put in for a day off to clean/shop/cook for Pesah). Unfortunately, neither of the girls will be with me this Pesah. Kyra is still in Israel (where she belongs..), and Ayala is spending the Chag (holiday) with her mother (after considerable pressure). Sounds great, doesn't it? From the extraordinary high of the conference to this pile of poop....it's got to be symbolic of something, I guess. Over the next week, perhaps I'll get more of a chance to reflect upon it, and figure out 'what it all means...' I hope to write again before Pesah, but if not - a Chag Sameach to everyone and their families. Best regards, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/a2708358/attachment.html From batsimcha at mindspring.com Tue Apr 15 23:02:31 2008 From: batsimcha at mindspring.com (Joy Beth) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:02:31 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Hine Ma Tov... In-Reply-To: <008201c89f5e$aa9060b0$643c66c9@bettygivin> References: <008201c89f5e$aa9060b0$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20080415224443.0363bf78@pop.mindspring.com> Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! So wonderful to see all you beautiful people again (and some for the first time)! Brian's Mom had a wonderful time too. I will be working on the pics tomorrow night to reduce & organize them - here's the first one... of some of the teachers to whom we owe so much! Thank you for sharing your wisdom... Love, JoyBeth -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I know that being with you in spirit is not quite the same, but nonetheless, the vision of all of us with our smiling faces and "sparks" glowing together with yours is a pretty powerful one! Just think back to the conference and you should get the picture! I think Steve's analogy and suggestion is an excellent one. I am sure Eliyahu HaNavi is our prophet in these last day; and I believe that the actual turning of the heart of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers is beginning and is taking place before our very eyes, and you, Hanoch, have had a major part in it by opening your heart for your Ephramite "kin." Perhaps Eliyahu does have some words of wisdom and direction to share with you, so open your door and your heart wide and be ready and be encouraged. And write when you can. Don't pressure yourself. We will be happy whenever we hear from you. You are very much loved and appreciated, our brother! Please know that and let it touch the very depths of your heart and soul! Chag Sameach! Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:17 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] A real breakthrough... Hanoch, Sorry to hear about you having to make more bricks, and this time you have to get the straw yourself at night.... also about your family not being with you for the Seder.... may Eliyahu HaNavi come to your house for Pesach and fill you in on some details of his Work. I suggest you open your door and check for him early and set out a plate for him, not just a kos/cup. Steve At 02:02 PM 4/17/2008, you wrote: Dear Betty - Thank you for the kind words...always appreciated. In terms of work, I have gotten home after midnight for the last 2 nights, and actually had to go in today, too (I had put in for a day off to clean/shop/cook for Pesah). Unfortunately, neither of the girls will be with me this Pesah. Kyra is still in Israel (where she belongs..), and Ayala is spending the Chag (holiday) with her mother (after considerable pressure). Sounds great, doesn't it? From the extraordinary high of the conference to this pile of poop....it's got to be symbolic of something, I guess. Over the next week, perhaps I'll get more of a chance to reflect upon it, and figure out 'what it all means...' I hope to write again before Pesah, but if not - a Chag Sameach to everyone and their families. Best regards, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... _____ Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/e2663a04/attachment.html From puddlefrog at aol.com Thu Apr 17 18:53:01 2008 From: puddlefrog at aol.com (puddlefrog at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:53:01 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Pesach In-Reply-To: <00dd01c8a0e1$d7418420$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: <8CA6EFD4E36097F-7CC-C32@FWM-D12.sysops.aol.com> Dear Hanoch I would stuff Dan and I in a bag in a heart beat to come and be with you but i dont think Dan would make it through the security checks. You will be in our hears and in our prayers and fondly thought of. -----Original Message----- From: Betty Givin To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 7:22 pm Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Pesach Dear Hanoch, ? I am so sorry to hear that you will not have your family with you at the seder. Who among us understands these things? ?I bet any one of us would love the opportunity to stow away in someone?s suitcase on a plane to the Big Apple and sit at your table with you to share in this joyous Festival of our Freedom!? I know that being with you in spirit is not quite the same, but nonetheless, the vision of all of us with our smiling faces and ?sparks? glowing together with yours is a pretty powerful one!? Just think back to the conference and you should get the picture!? ? ? ?I think Steve?s analogy and suggestion is an excellent one. I am sure Eliyahu HaNavi is our prophet in these last day; and I believe that the actual turning of the heart of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers is beginning and is taking place before our very eyes, and you, Hanoch, have had a major part in it by opening your heart for your Ephramite ?kin.? ? ? Perhaps Eliyahu does have some words of wisdom and direction to share with you, so open your door and your heart wide and be ready and be encouraged. And write when you can.? Don?t pressure yourself.? We will be happy whenever we hear from you.? ?You are very much loved and appreciated, our brother! Please know that and let it touch the very depths of your heart and soul! ? Chag Sameach! ? Elisheva/Betty From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:17 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] A real breakthrough... ? Hanoch, Sorry to hear about you having to make more bricks, and this time you have to get the straw yourself at night.... also about your family not being with you for the Seder.... may Eliyahu HaNavi come to your house for Pesach and fill you in on some details of his Work.? I suggest you open your door and check for him early and set out a plate for him, not just a kos/cup. Steve At 02:02 PM 4/17/2008, you wrote: Dear Betty - ? ??? Thank you for the kind words...always appreciated.? In terms of work, I have gotten home after midnight for the last 2 nights, and actually had to go in today, too (I had put in for a day off to clean/shop/cook for Pesah).? Unfortunately, neither of the girls will be with me this Pesah.? Kyra is still in Israel (where she belongs..), and Ayala is spending the Chag (holiday) with her mother (after considerable pressure).? Sounds great, doesn't it? ? ??? From the extraordinary high of the conference to this pile of poop....it's got to be symbolic of something, I guess.? Over the next week, perhaps I'll get more of a chance to reflect upon it, and figure out 'what it all means...'? I hope to write again before Pesah, but if not - a Chag Sameach to everyone and their families. ? ??? Best regards, ??????? Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/3673c334/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Thu Apr 17 19:24:51 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:24:51 -0500 Subject: Steve [Dialogue] Pesachs and meanings In-Reply-To: <200804170812.m3H8CQiN019738@mail2535.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <010901c8a0ea$9e7bbd00$643c66c9@bettygivin> Dear Steve, Wonderful to finally meet you as well at the conference! It was a blessed and very special time enjoyed by all and has seemed to take us to a new stage. The worldwide "first contigent" as you refer to it seems to have had its beginning and as you said, has meaning of unprecedented significance! I loved what you wrote about about the possibility of an Ephramite meaning in the second piece of matzah that is broken in two pieces of unequal portions , with one larger piece, called the Afikomen, is hidden and later recovered by a little child. For me, this was a most inspiring rendition full of symbolism of the 10 tribes in the last days, emerging from the Gentile nations and their idolatry, after being hidden away by HaShem thru the ages until the last days. May you and Charlene and your family have a most meaningful and inspiring Pesach as well! Thank you as always, Steve, for sharing from your heart. You bring us much wisdom and food for thought.keep "poking!" Chag Sameach! Betty/Elisheva _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:13 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Pesachs and meanings Dear Friends, It was a treat to meet a lot of you on this list at the Charlotte conference. As many of you have already expressed, it was a most energizing event. It is truly a great blessing for brethren to dwell together, especially when they have not done so for 2700 (!) years. Am of the opinion that a lot of good developments will come from this meeting in the lives of all of us, whether we physically were there or not. Though we are pressed for time to get our houses in order before Pesach, perhaps it is a fortuitous event that we met so close to Pesach. These tandem events of proximity in time, can inspire us to look forward to not just Pesach 2008, but also to the great exodus to come, (Jer. 16:14, Isa. 27:13). Moreover, we may be starting, or already have started a sequence of events that will profoundly touch us, "the early/ first contingent to arise out of the Valley of Dry Bones." As such, Pesach for all of us on this list, in this group, and of this worldwide "first contingent," may be very special, full of deep meanings of unprecedented significance. If you have not already figured this out, may I suggest an Ephraimite meaning we can institute during this upcoming Seder. As you know, when the middle matzah is broken by the head of the household in the Yahatz portion the Seder, we can point out some significances unique to us, the first contingent, which is aware of the people of Joseph in the prophesied history of Israel. Perhaps, "the head of the household," breaking of the matzah into two substantially unequal pieces is signifying HaShem purposefully breaking the Commonwealth of Israel into two unequal portions, (I Kings 11:30-31, 12:24). Though this "breaking, was a punishment, paradoxically, it was also a way to enable the seed of Abraham, to be a great blessing to the world, as Joseph's descendants would come into their birthright blessings centuries later, (Gen. 10: 2-3, 28:14, 49:22-26, Deit. 33:13-17, Zech. 8:13, 11:14, I Chron. 5:2). This larger piece is to be hidden by "the head of the household" to be found later at the end of the Seder, after a thorough search for it by a little child. The mysterious "larger piece" is called by the Greek name of "Afikoman," meaning "gift." Could it be, that this larger piece of the middle matzah signifies the Ten Tribes, hidden away by HaShem, and is found "towards the end of the seder," signifying "the latter days?" Could the Greek name, signify the fact that they are in the Occidental world, built on Greek ideals, having taken on Gentile identities? Could it be that the little child signifies the "children's children" at the end of days who will be caused to find and "reinherit themselves?" (Ez. 37:25, Mal. 4:24, Deut. 30:2). "Then you shall be caused to reinherit yourselves in the sight of the nations, and you shall know that I am HaShem." (Ez. 22:16, Artscroll)). Could it be that their "finding" by HaShem will be a great gift to them, to their brethren the Jewish people and to the world? (Zech. 10:6, 2:11, Isa. 2:2). May you all have a most meaningful and inspired Pesach. May we all give joyful and abundant thanks to our Creator who has kept us alive in our spiritual prison houses, kept us alive through centuries of wanderings, and by resurrecting us from the Valley of Dry Bones, and has enabled us to reach this prophesied season to do service in His Work. Hag Sameach, Steve "Only prayer, Torah and repentance will unify the Tribes of Israel." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/96b52b01/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Thu Apr 17 19:27:20 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:27:20 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] For the Mouth of HaSHeM hath Spoken it In-Reply-To: <041720081733.3622.48078A0600045A1F00000E2622230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Message-ID: <011a01c8a0ea$f7150340$643c66c9@bettygivin> Amen Glenn!!! And once again, thanks so much! Who could ever improve on these words? _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of chattertonw at bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:34 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] For the Mouth of HaSHeM hath Spoken it For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto HaSHeM our God. For thus saith HaSHeM; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O HaSHeM, save thy people, the remnant of Israel. Jeremiah 31:6-7 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Hear the word of HaSHeM, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock. Jeremiah 31:9-10 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim. Isaiah 11:12-13 Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found. Hosea 14:8 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in HaSHeM. Zechariah 10:7 And the glory of HaSHeM shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of HaSHeM hath spoken it. Isaiah 40:5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/f1d29b57/attachment.html From rebuntyn at aol.com Thu Apr 17 19:41:27 2008 From: rebuntyn at aol.com (rebuntyn at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:41:27 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Dan's Ephramite Site In-Reply-To: <71454DF6-89FB-42D4-BF99-2200DA77401D@earthlink.net> References: <832079.23617.qm@web45913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <71454DF6-89FB-42D4-BF99-2200DA77401D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CA6F04126EBA84-A6C-1039@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> Dan, congratulations on your website. It's looking good. Thanks for including my article "Judgement at Nuremberg". The facts really are amazing. It was nice to see you and Tammy?again at our recent conference. All best, Ralph -----Original Message----- From: James Tabor To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:36 pm Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Dan's Ephramite Site Nice site Dan...I just took a look. I am amazed at how much you have put up so quickly. Wishing you many visits/its! James On Apr 15, 2008, at 9:06 PM, Dan Tabor wrote: * Thank you, lovely sweet Auntie. I am working on loading 90% of the pictures I snapped over the weekend onto the pictures section of my myspace website. By tomorrow, anyone with a myspace account can enjoy them at:?www.myspace.com/godtorahisrael??? Betty Givin ?wrote: Welcome to the Dialogue, Dan!? You may have already been on the list, but to my knowledge, this is the first post you have sent out!? It was great being with you and Tammy and so glad your move to?Hickory?coincided with the time of the conference! ? Love and Blessings, ? Aunt Betty (aka Betty/Elisheva) ? From:?dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org?[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org]?On Behalf Of?Dan Tabor Sent:?Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:16 PM To:?dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject:?Re: [Dialogue] (no subject) ? * What a truely enriched time of togetherness and spiritual?motivation. The conference welled in me enormous knowledge & inspiration. Plus approaching Pesach, it definitely feels good to be 'sandwiched' with such jubilation and significance. ? Dan = _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/7bb51c71/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 20:11:00 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:11:00 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Hine Ma Tov... In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20080415224443.0363bf78@pop.mindspring.com> References: <008201c89f5e$aa9060b0$643c66c9@bettygivin> <6.0.0.22.2.20080415224443.0363bf78@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: Thank you JoyBeth! It was nice meeting you! We can't wait to see the pictures! Chris and Amber On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Joy Beth wrote: > Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in > unity! > > So wonderful to see all you beautiful people again (and some for the first > time)! > Brian's Mom had a wonderful time too. > > I will be working on the pics tomorrow night to reduce & organize them - > here's the first one... of some of the teachers to whom we owe so much! > Thank you for sharing your wisdom... > > Love, > JoyBeth > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/6269008e/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 20:21:59 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:21:59 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0804171120l1d9273c5he5ce726ae2c424e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin> <1c8dbb6e0804171007k1db8dd4fl77ef52f26abbd093@mail.gmail.com> <1c8dbb6e0804171021n14a871c0s62ad62b2e426ef19@mail.gmail.com> <1c8dbb6e0804171030j11e94d69wfad1064a7907d1f4@mail.gmail.com> <1c8dbb6e0804171120l1d9273c5he5ce726ae2c424e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Okay! We remember him now! He was the one doing the filming! Thanks a lot! Chris and Amber On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:20 PM, kim alvarado wrote: > There are some photos on the Roots of Faith website. I found one of Brian > in the Succoth photo album: row 14, 2 picture. He's standing up in the > blue shirt talking to Becky. Here's the link to the page: > http://www.rootsoffaith.org/ROF_Succoth_2007.htm. > > > > You are more than welcome for the help. :) > > Kim > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:33 PM, chris fordham > wrote: > > > Okay thank you! We'll look at some of the pictures and try to figure > > it out! It's great to meet so many new people at the same time! Even if we > > can't put a face to all the name yet! Ha! Ha! > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:30 PM, kim alvarado < > > kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > No, he has light brown hair and a beard. He brought his mother to > > > the conference. There was a definite family resemblance. > > > > > > Kim > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:26 PM, chris fordham < > > > calbfordham at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Kim: Okay, we remember her. Was her husband dark headed? Kind of > > > > Curly hair? Thanks for your help. Amber > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:21 PM, kim alvarado < > > > > kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes, Joy Beth > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:14 PM, chris fordham < > > > > > calbfordham at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kim: Do they call Beth Joy? Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM, kim alvarado < > > > > > > kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amber, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian was the guy recording the speakers (changing the > > > > > > > tapes). He makes this list possible. Beth has long curly hair and she was > > > > > > > taking pictures of everyone. They live in Houston. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM, chris fordham < > > > > > > > calbfordham at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat, Can you remind us who Brian and Beth were? We met so > > > > > > > > many! Thanks Chris and Amber > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Pat Robbins < > > > > > > > > patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A gigantic AMENto that!!!! It was so great getting to > > > > > > > > > be with the three of you this weekend. I just wish we all lived close > > > > > > > > > enough to gather together every week! But because of your unceasing work > > > > > > > > > on all our behalves, we ARE CONNECTED VIA THE NET!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Betty Givin > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM > > > > > > > > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Brian and Beth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that > > > > > > > > > you contribute behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just > > > > > > > > > this one, but for all of the work you have done over the years. You are > > > > > > > > > both incredibly special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! > > > > > > > > > Please take this to heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so important that those who were not able to attend > > > > > > > > > be able to be a part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We both love and appreciate you both, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betty/Elisheva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have given this a lot of thought and I'm really not sure where to begin without telling my whole life story. But i think that things started looking dark for me when i became pregnant with my 3rd child. In the begining i knew that this one wsa not like the rest and in my 5th month i found out the i was pregnant with twins and i had an extremely rare conditon. The doctors told me not to expect to carry the baby much longer. I prayed i prayed hard than i had in my whole life and on March 11, 1997 Noah Gabriel was born. Though weighing only 4lb 8oz and being extremely jaundice he came home after only 4 days. His twin brother Zachary was still born. I had mixed emotion to say the least but was greatful to have what all called my miracle baby. Not long after Noahs birth my marriage began to fail. And i began to truely doubt everything that i had believed in. Coming from a rocky and rough childhood i needed my faith and i held on as tight as i could. People said that i couldnt be faithful becuse i didnt go to church and i was even accused of being a satanist once for burning candles and incense in my home by a family member. In 2000 i became pregnant again with my 4th child. My marriage was getting worse and i was in a deep depression. Life ws not working out like it was supposed to. On December 4th 2000 i went into labor and gave birth to Joseph Nicholas who passed away 2 hours after his birth. After that i headed into a spiral of depression i barely remember leaving the hospital. When i got home i slept constantly i dint want to be bothered i didnt even want to live. After all i had been through in my life how could HE let this happen. I didnt believe anymore and i told everyone that would listen. I had totally lost my faith in anything. 1 week after Josephs death my mother called me and told me i needed to get myself together and get over it. I asked her how do you get over losing your child? My depression became worse and my marriage got worse. I started drinking and i dint care about life anymore i felt totally alone. After a failed suicide attempt waking up in the hospital ws the worst thing that could happen (or so i thought at the time) i just wanted all the pain and lonliness to stop. I got counseling i came home and started my life over. After the birth of Alexnder and many years of trying to salvage a long dead marriage my husband told me he wanted a divorce. The reason i was given was because "You are You". now i tell you all this because all this time i had no faith i didnt believe and i believed that i was truely alone. I dint go to church i wanted to have no biblical discussions i didnt own a bible i was done with it all. Then as my divorce came final I was blessed to have a wonderful man come into my life that showed me I wasnt alone. I met Dan and on the first trip to Louisiana to sukkot i didnt know what to expect. I thought i have no faith I'm not jewish what are these people going to think of me. THese people were wonderful i had felt a peace that i hadnt felt in many years. I prayed for the first time since Josephs death. I was reading the Torah and iwanted to i wanted to learn. Being apart of all this i felt that was where i belonged not the place but the people and the feeling i was having. When i came time to leave it was hard i wanted to stay there a keep that feeling and learn and grow. The when Dan came up with the idea to move there i jumped at it I wanted to go to synagog i was given a bible for the first time in 20 years and was reading it and studying it. I could get enough i just wanted to learn more. Being at the conference has brought that feeling to overwhelming. I feel at peace i have a faith that is stronger than it ever was and i want to learn as much as i can i have so many questions but most of all i have an overwhelming feeling of peace and love a joy and belonging. Dan has been a blessing in my life for he brought me to all of you and i am blessed to call each and every one of you my friend. You have helped get back soemthign that i thought that iw ould never have again and that is my faith. I know now that all these things werent because i am a bad person or i needed to be punished. But because everythinghappens according to a plan that we know nothing about right now. Well thats pretty much the short of it. I think of my story more as a story of trial and i know now though i may have lost my faith and gave up HE never gave up on me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/67fa7b67/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Thu Apr 17 21:13:21 2008 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:13:21 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... In-Reply-To: References: <002b01c8a04e$75e11e40$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: <0CCD3837-AD13-47DF-AEE5-162D5A9B6B1F@earthlink.net> You can get both David and Patty at: ptyler at aac-usa.com They will be glad to hear you loved it!! James On Apr 17, 2008, at 9:51 AM, chris fordham wrote: > Shalom Mispocha! > > We can't remmeber Ronnie? Can you refresh our memory! And does > anyone have David and Patty's email? We wanted to thank them for > the entertainment and for including our children! What a great > surprise and joy for them! > > Chag Sameach! > > Chris and Amber > > From dhcole1 at cox.net Thu Apr 17 21:21:20 2008 From: dhcole1 at cox.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:21:20 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! References: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin><1c8dbb6e0804171007k1db8dd4fl77ef52f26abbd093@mail.gmail.com><1c8dbb6e0804171021n14a871c0s62ad62b2e426ef19@mail.gmail.com><1c8dbb6e0804171030j11e94d69wfad1064a7907d1f4@mail.gmail.com> <1c8dbb6e0804171120l1d9273c5he5ce726ae2c424e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <040a01c8a0fa$e9a67e90$6400a8c0@davesbook> Hey all....whew what a week.....my head is flooded, my heart is pounding but my soul is refreshed... In the van on the way back from the conference, we discussed updating the "photos with a name", section on the Roots of faith website. I think that this will help us with dialoguing (is that a word?). I for one, often have trouble getting the name/face correct in my head. This would benefit those that are new to this list and those like me that are name/face challenged! who was that man? dave ----- Original Message ----- From: kim alvarado To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! There are some photos on the Roots of Faith website. I found one of Brian in the Succoth photo album: row 14, 2 picture. He's standing up in the blue shirt talking to Becky. Here's the link to the page:http://www.rootsoffaith.org/ROF_Succoth_2007.htm. You are more than welcome for the help. :) Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:33 PM, chris fordham wrote: Okay thank you! We'll look at some of the pictures and try to figure it out! It's great to meet so many new people at the same time! Even if we can't put a face to all the name yet! Ha! Ha! On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:30 PM, kim alvarado wrote: No, he has light brown hair and a beard. He brought his mother to the conference. There was a definite family resemblance. Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:26 PM, chris fordham wrote: Kim: Okay, we remember her. Was her husband dark headed? Kind of Curly hair? Thanks for your help. Amber On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:21 PM, kim alvarado wrote: Yes, Joy Beth On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:14 PM, chris fordham wrote: Kim: Do they call Beth Joy? Amber On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM, kim alvarado wrote: Amber, Brian was the guy recording the speakers (changing the tapes). He makes this list possible. Beth has long curly hair and she was taking pictures of everyone. They live in Houston. Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM, chris fordham wrote: Pat, Can you remind us who Brian and Beth were? We met so many! Thanks Chris and Amber On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Pat Robbins wrote: A gigantic AMENto that!!!! It was so great getting to be with the three of you this weekend. I just wish we all lived close enough to gather together every week! But because of your unceasing work on all our behalves, we ARE CONNECTED VIA THE NET!!!!! My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, Pat From: Betty Givin Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 Dear Brian and Beth, I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you contribute behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this one, but for all of the work you have done over the years. You are both incredibly special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! Please take this to heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. It is so important that those who were not able to attend be able to be a part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/6d9e8c04/attachment.html From dantabor at yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 21:23:19 2008 From: dantabor at yahoo.com (Dan Tabor) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Dan's Ephramite Site In-Reply-To: <8CA6F04126EBA84-A6C-1039@webmail-me09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <268763.75912.qm@web45908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> * * * Thank You, Ralph. Your article was fascinating indeed! I feel the new myspace page will one day showcase (prayerfully) alot of future topics and a variety of Hebraic knowledge for the benefit of thousands of "seeking souls". In the coming months, I encourage anyone who feels contributing in kindred unity to email me any future articles and/or blogs to consider posting. dantabor at yahoo.com rebuntyn at aol.com wrote: Dan, congratulations on your website. It's looking good. Thanks for including my article "Judgement at Nuremberg". The facts really are amazing. It was nice to see you and Tammy again at our recent conference. All best, Ralph -----Original Message----- From: James Tabor To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:36 pm Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Dan's Ephramite Site Nice site Dan...I just took a look. I am amazed at how much you have put up so quickly. Wishing you many visits/its! James On Apr 15, 2008, at 9:06 PM, Dan Tabor wrote: * Thank you, lovely sweet Auntie. I am working on loading 90% of the pictures I snapped over the weekend onto the pictures section of my myspace website. By tomorrow, anyone with a myspace account can enjoy them at: www.myspace.com/godtorahisrael Betty Givin wrote: Welcome to the Dialogue, Dan! You may have already been on the list, but to my knowledge, this is the first post you have sent out! It was great being with you and Tammy and so glad your move to Hickory coincided with the time of the conference! Love and Blessings, Aunt Betty (aka Betty/Elisheva) --------------------------------- From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Dan Tabor Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:16 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] (no subject) * What a truely enriched time of togetherness and spiritual motivation. The conference welled in me enormous knowledge & inspiration. Plus approaching Pesach, it definitely feels good to be 'sandwiched' with such jubilation and significance. Dan = _______________________________________________ --------------------------------- Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! _______________________________________________ --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/ac3b36c8/attachment.html From batsimcha at mindspring.com Thu Apr 17 21:26:08 2008 From: batsimcha at mindspring.com (Joy Beth) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:26:08 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Hine Ma Tov... In-Reply-To: References: <008201c89f5e$aa9060b0$643c66c9@bettygivin> <6.0.0.22.2.20080415224443.0363bf78@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20080417211151.03698d10@pop.mindspring.com> Thanks to Brian - he's posted them on my website! http://batsimcha.com/Gallery/ui2008/ I think you can copy the images from the website, if not (or if you need higher resolution), let me know and I can email an individual image, or... if you want multiple pics to print, just send me your snail mail address and I'll snail mail you a CD. Anyway, enjoy! It was wonderful meeting you too! Hope to see you again, next year or sooner.... Love, JoyBeth At 08:11 PM 4/17/2008, you wrote: >Thank you JoyBeth! It was nice meeting you! We can't wait to see the >pictures! Chris and Amber > >On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Joy Beth ><batsimcha at mindspring.com> wrote: >Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in >unity! > >So wonderful to see all you beautiful people again (and some for the first >time)! >Brian's Mom had a wonderful time too. > >I will be working on the pics tomorrow night to reduce & organize them - >here's the first one... of some of the teachers to whom we owe so >much! Thank you for sharing your wisdom... > >Love, >JoyBeth > >_______________________________________________ > > >_______________________________________________ >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1384 - Release Date: 4/17/2008 >3:47 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/2fd5465b/attachment.html From batsimcha at mindspring.com Thu Apr 17 21:34:00 2008 From: batsimcha at mindspring.com (Joy Beth) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:34:00 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Hine Ma Tov... In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20080417211151.03698d10@pop.mindspring.com> References: <008201c89f5e$aa9060b0$643c66c9@bettygivin> <6.0.0.22.2.20080415224443.0363bf78@pop.mindspring.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20080417211151.03698d10@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20080417213007.03697e10@pop.mindspring.com> One more odd thing - several of the pictures seem to include "spirits" (e.g., hovering around Pat at the top of the 3rd picture of Betty and Pat lighting candles). I don't know what caused this - my camera has never done this before. I assume they were friendly... :-) At 09:26 PM 4/17/2008, Joy Beth wrote: >Thanks to Brian - he's posted them on my website! > >http://batsimcha.com/Gallery/ui2008/ > >I think you can copy the images from the website, if not (or if you >need higher resolution), let me know and I can email an individual image, >or... if you want multiple pics to print, just send me your snail mail >address and I'll snail mail you a CD. > >Anyway, enjoy! > >It was wonderful meeting you too! Hope to see you again, next year or >sooner.... > >Love, >JoyBeth > >At 08:11 PM 4/17/2008, you wrote: >>Thank you JoyBeth! It was nice meeting you! We can't wait to see the >>pictures! Chris and Amber >> >>On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Joy Beth >><batsimcha at mindspring.com> wrote: >>Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in >>unity! >>So wonderful to see all you beautiful people again (and some for the >>first time)! >>Brian's Mom had a wonderful time too. >>I will be working on the pics tomorrow night to reduce & organize them - >>here's the first one... of some of the teachers to whom we owe so >>much! Thank you for sharing your wisdom... >>Love, >>JoyBeth >>_______________________________________________ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG. >>Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1384 - Release Date: >>4/17/2008 3:47 PM > >_______________________________________________ >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1384 - Release Date: 4/17/2008 >3:47 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/9b176b75/attachment.html From puddlefrog at aol.com Thu Apr 17 21:37:56 2008 From: puddlefrog at aol.com (puddlefrog at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:37:56 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! In-Reply-To: <040a01c8a0fa$e9a67e90$6400a8c0@davesbook> References: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin><1c8dbb6e0804171007k1db8dd4fl77ef52f26abbd093@mail.gmail.com><1c8dbb6e0804171021n14a871c0s62ad62b2e426ef19@mail.gmail.com><1c8dbb6e0804171030j11e94d69wfad1064a7907d1f4@mail.gmail.com> <1c8dbb6e0804171120l1d9273c5he5ce726ae2c424e4@mail.gmail.com> <040a01c8a0fa$e9a67e90$6400a8c0@davesbook> Message-ID: <8CA6F1457FEB03D-7CC-1399@FWM-D12.sysops.aol.com> What a time we all had but i think Ya'lls idea i a great one with the photos with name thing. I know I keep asking Dan ok who was this or that. Who are you again???? Hugs to all of you !!! Hey all....whew what a week.....my head is flooded, my heart is pounding?but my soul is refreshed... ? In the van on the way back from the conference,? we discussed updating the "photos with a name", ?section on the Roots of faith website.? I think that this will help us with dialoguing (is that a word?).?? I for one, often?have trouble? getting the name/face correct in my head.?? This would?benefit??those?that are?new to this list and those like me that are name/face challenged! ? who was that man? dave ----- Original Message ----- From: kim alvarado To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! There are some photos on the Roots of Faith website.? I found one of Brian in the Succoth photo album:? row 14, 2 picture.? He's standing up in the blue shirt talking to Becky.? Here's the link to the page:http://www.rootsoffaith.org/ROF_Succoth_2007.htm. You are more than welcome for the help.? :) Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:33 PM, chris fordham wrote: Okay thank you!? We'll look at some of the pictures and try to figure it out!? It's great to meet so many new people at the same time!? Even if we can't put a face to all the name yet!? Ha! Ha! On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:30 PM, kim alvarado wrote: No, he has light brown hair and a beard.? He brought his mother to the conference.? There was a definite family resemblance.? Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:26 PM, chris fordham wrote: Kim:? Okay, we remember her.? Was her husband dark headed?? Kind of Curly hair?? Thanks for your help.? Amber On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:21 PM, kim alvarado wrote: Yes, Joy Beth On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:14 PM, chris fordham wrote: Kim: Do they call Beth Joy?? Amber On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM, kim alvarado wrote: Amber, Brian was the guy recording the speakers (changing the tapes).? He makes this list possible.? Beth has long curly hair and she was taking pictures of everyone.? They live in Houston.? Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM, chris fordham wrote: Pat,? Can you remind us who Brian and Beth were?? We met so many!? Thanks Chris and Amber On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Pat Robbins wrote: A gigantic AMENto that!!!!?? It was so great getting to be with the three of you this weekend.? I?just wish we all lived close enough to gather together every week!? But because of your unceasing work on?all our behalves, we ARE CONNECTED VIA THE NET!!!!!? ? My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, ? Pat From: Betty Givin Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 Dear Brian and Beth, ? I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you contribute behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this one, but for all of the work you have done over the years.? You are both incredibly special and gifted, and it is always great to see you!? Please take this to heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. ? It is so important that those who were not able to attend be able to be a part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. ? We both love and appreciate you both, ? 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/44d306ca/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Thu Apr 17 21:44:23 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:44:23 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Tammys Story In-Reply-To: <8CA6F1072137CFE-7CC-1274@FWM-D12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <01b001c8a0fe$1c4bdbd0$643c66c9@bettygivin> Dearest Tammy, Thank you for trusting us with your story. It is quite an amazing saga. You won't be surprised to hear that it made me cry to read about your suffering and pain and disappointment and giving up on life, but then when I read about how HaShem turned your life around (because you allowed Him to), when you met Dan and started to trust people and start reading the Bible again! We are as blessed to have you as you are to have us. And I am doubly blessed, because you are already a part of the Tabor family, even if Dan still contends that it might be 2030 before it is official (silly boy!) You are precious and he'd best hold onto you! Looking forward to many, many more good times together. Welcome Home!!! Chag Sameach (Happy Passover!) Betty (or as Dan calls me Auntie Betty) _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of puddlefrog at aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:10 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Tammys Story Ok Amber here its. I have given this a lot of thought and I'm really not sure where to begin without telling my whole life story. But i think that things started looking dark for me when i became pregnant with my 3rd child. In the begining i knew that this one wsa not like the rest and in my 5th month i found out the i was pregnant with twins and i had an extremely rare conditon. The doctors told me not to expect to carry the baby much longer. I prayed i prayed hard than i had in my whole life and on March 11, 1997 Noah Gabriel was born. Though weighing only 4lb 8oz and being extremely jaundice he came home after only 4 days. His twin brother Zachary was still born. I had mixed emotion to say the least but was greatful to have what all called my miracle baby. Not long after Noahs birth my marriage began to fail. And i began to truely doubt everything that i had believed in. Coming from a rocky and rough childhood i needed my faith and i held on as tight as i could. People said that i couldnt be faithful becuse i didnt go to church and i was even accused of being a satanist once for burning candles and incense in my home by a family member. In 2000 i became pregnant again with my 4th child. My marriage was getting worse and i was in a deep depression. Life ws not working out like it was supposed to. On December 4th 2000 i went into labor and gave birth to Joseph Nicholas who passed away 2 hours after his birth. After that i headed into a spiral of depression i barely remember leaving the hospital. When i got home i slept constantly i dint want to be bothered i didnt even want to live. After all i had been through in my life how could HE let this happen. I didnt believe anymore and i told everyone that would listen. I had totally lost my faith in anything. 1 week after Josephs death my mother called me and told me i needed to get myself together and get over it. I asked her how do you get over losing your child? My depression became worse and my marriage got worse. I started drinking and i dint care about life anymore i felt totally alone. After a failed suicide attempt waking up in the hospital ws the worst thing that could happen (or so i thought at the time) i just wanted all the pain and lonliness to stop. I got counseling i came home and started my life over. After the birth of Alexnder and many years of trying to salvage a long dead marriage my husband told me he wanted a divorce. The reason i was given was because "You are You". now i tell you all this because all this time i had no faith i didnt believe and i believed that i was truely alone. I dint go to church i wanted to have no biblical discussions i didnt own a bible i was done with it all. Then as my divorce came final I was blessed to have a wonderful man come into my life that showed me I wasnt alone. I met Dan and on the first trip to Louisiana to sukkot i didnt know what to expect. I thought i have no faith I'm not jewish what are these people going to think of me. THese people were wonderful i had felt a peace that i hadnt felt in many years. I prayed for the first time since Josephs death. I was reading the Torah and iwanted to i wanted to learn. Being apart of all this i felt that was where i belonged not the place but the people and the feeling i was having. When i came time to leave it was hard i wanted to stay there a keep that feeling and learn and grow. The when Dan came up with the idea to move there i jumped at it I wanted to go to synagog i was given a bible for the first time in 20 years and was reading it and studying it. I could get enough i just wanted to learn more. Being at the conference has brought that feeling to overwhelming. I feel at peace i have a faith that is stronger than it ever was and i want to learn as much as i can i have so many questions but most of all i have an overwhelming feeling of peace and love a joy and belonging. Dan has been a blessing in my life for he brought me to all of you and i am blessed to call each and every one of you my friend. You have helped get back soemthign that i thought that iw ould never have again and that is my faith. I know now that all these things werent because i am a bad person or i needed to be punished. But because everythinghappens according to a plan that we know nothing about right now. Well thats pretty much the short of it. I think of my story more as a story of trial and i know now though i may have lost my faith and gave up HE never gave up on me. _____ Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/7d8805c9/attachment.html From puddlefrog at aol.com Thu Apr 17 21:46:54 2008 From: puddlefrog at aol.com (puddlefrog at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:46:54 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Hine Ma Tov... In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20080417213007.03697e10@pop.mindspring.com> References: <008201c89f5e$aa9060b0$643c66c9@bettygivin> <6.0.0.22.2.20080415224443.0363bf78@pop.mindspring.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20080417211151.03698d10@pop.mindspring.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20080417213007.03697e10@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <8CA6F1598D3391D-7CC-13FC@FWM-D12.sysops.aol.com> JoyBeth, Dan and I experienced the same thing in several of the pics that he took..... You can got to his page and check them out www.myspace.com/GodTorahIsrael . Very very interesting. Tammy One more odd thing - several of the pictures seem to include "spirits" (e.g.,? hovering around Pat at the top of the 3rd picture of Betty and Pat lighting candles). I don't know what caused this - my camera has never done this before. I assume they were friendly... :-) At 09:26 PM 4/17/2008, Joy Beth wrote: Thanks to Brian - he's posted them on my website! http://batsimcha.com/Gallery/ui2008/ I think you can copy the images from the website, if not (or if you need? higher resolution), let me know and I can email an individual image, or... if you want multiple pics to print, just send me your snail mail address and I'll snail mail you a CD. Anyway, enjoy! It was wonderful meeting you too! Hope to see you again, next year or sooner.... Love, JoyBeth At 08:11 PM 4/17/2008, you wrote: Thank you JoyBeth!? It was nice meeting you!? We can't wait to see the pictures!? Chris and Amber On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Joy Beth wrote: Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! So wonderful to see all you beautiful people again (and some for the first time)! Brian's Mom had a wonderful time too. I will be working on the pics tomorrow night to reduce & organize them - here's the first one... of some of the teachers to whom we owe so much!? Thank you for sharing your wisdom... Love, JoyBeth _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1384 - Release Date: 4/17/2008 3:47 PM _______________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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James On Apr 17, 2008, at 10:34 PM, Joy Beth wrote: > One more odd thing - several of the pictures seem to include > "spirits" (e.g., hovering around Pat at the top of the 3rd picture > of Betty and Pat lighting candles). I don't know what caused this - > my camera has never done this before. > > I assume they were friendly... > > :-) > > > At 09:26 PM 4/17/2008, Joy Beth wrote: >> Thanks to Brian - he's posted them on my website! >> >> http://batsimcha.com/Gallery/ui2008/ >> >> I think you can copy the images from the website, if not (or if you >> need higher resolution), let me know and I can email an individual >> image, or... if you want multiple pics to print, just send me your >> snail mail address and I'll snail mail you a CD. >> >> Anyway, enjoy! >> >> It was wonderful meeting you too! Hope to see you again, next year >> or sooner.... >> >> Love, >> JoyBeth >> >> At 08:11 PM 4/17/2008, you wrote: >>> Thank you JoyBeth! It was nice meeting you! We can't wait to see >>> the pictures! Chris and Amber >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Joy Beth >>> wrote: >>> Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell >>> together in unity! >>> So wonderful to see all you beautiful people again (and some for >>> the first time)! >>> Brian's Mom had a wonderful time too. >>> I will be working on the pics tomorrow night to reduce & organize >>> them - here's the first one... of some of the teachers to whom we >>> owe so much! Thank you for sharing your wisdom... >>> Love, >>> JoyBeth >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1384 - Release Date: >>> 4/17/2008 3:47 PM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1384 - Release Date: >> 4/17/2008 3:47 PM > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/9eb29341/attachment.html From puddlefrog at aol.com Thu Apr 17 21:55:00 2008 From: puddlefrog at aol.com (puddlefrog at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:55:00 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Tammys Story In-Reply-To: <01b001c8a0fe$1c4bdbd0$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: <8CA6F16BA72258B-7CC-1448@FWM-D12.sysops.aol.com> Thank You Betty and know that i love you with all my heart and couldnt ask for a better family to be adopted in to. Yes he is quite silly but you got to love him.??? Dearest Tammy, ? Thank you for trusting us with your story.? It is quite an amazing saga.? You won?t be surprised to hear that it made me cry to read about your suffering and pain and disappointment and giving up on life, but then when I read about how HaShem turned your life around (because you allowed Him to), when you met Dan and started to trust people and start reading the Bible again!? We are as blessed to have you as you are to have us.? ? And I am doubly blessed, because you are already a part of the Tabor family, even if Dan still contends that it might be 2030 before it is official (silly boy!) ?You are precious and he?d best hold onto you!? Looking forward to many, many more good times together. ? Welcome Home!!! ? Chag Sameach (Happy Passover!) ? Betty (or as Dan calls me Auntie Betty) ? From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of puddlefrog at aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:10 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Tammys Story ? Ok Amber here its. I have given this a lot of thought and I'm really not sure where to begin without telling my whole life story. But i think that things started looking dark for me when i became pregnant with my 3rd child. In the begining i knew that this one wsa not like the rest and in my 5th month i found out the i was pregnant with twins and i had an extremely rare conditon. The doctors told me not to expect to carry the baby much longer. I prayed i prayed hard than i had in my whole life and on March 11, 1997 Noah Gabriel was born. Though weighing only 4lb 8oz and being extremely jaundice he came home after only 4 days. His twin brother Zachary was still born. I had mixed emotion to say the least but was greatful to have what all called my miracle baby. Not long after Noahs birth my marriage began to fail. And i began to truely doubt everything that i had believed in. Coming from a rocky and rough childhood i needed my faith and i held on as tight as i could. People said that i couldnt be faithful becuse i didnt go to church and i was even accused of being a satanist once for burning candles and incense in my home by a family member. In 2000 i became pregnant again with my 4th child. My marriage was getting worse and i was in a deep depression. Life ws not working out like it was supposed to. On December 4th 2000 i went into labor and gave birth to Joseph Nicholas who passed away 2 hours after his birth. After that i headed into a spiral of depression i barely remember leaving the hospital. When i got home i slept constantly i dint want to be bothered i didnt even want to live. After all i had been through in my life how could HE let this happen. I didnt believe anymore and i told everyone that would listen. I had totally lost my faith in anything. 1 week after Josephs death my mother called me and told me i needed to get myself together and get over it. I asked her how do you get over losing your child? My depression became worse and my marriage got worse. I started drinking and i dint care about life anymore i felt totally alone. After a failed suicide attempt waking up in the hospital ws the worst thing that could happen (or so i thought at the time) i just wanted all the pain and lonliness to stop. I got counseling i came home and started my life over. After the birth of Alexnder and many years of trying to salvage a long dead marriage my husband told me he wanted a divorce. The reason i was given was because "You are You". now i tell you all this because all this time i had no faith i didnt believe and i believed that i was truely alone. I dint go to church i wanted to have no biblical discussions i didnt own a bible i was done with it all. Then as my divorce came final I was blessed to have a wonderful man come into my life that showed me I wasnt alone. I met Dan and on the first trip to Louisiana to sukkot i didnt know what to expect. I thought i have no faith I'm not jewish what are these people going to think of me. THese people were wonderful i had felt a peace that i hadnt felt in many years. I prayed for the first time since Josephs death. I was reading the Torah and iwanted to i wanted to learn. Being apart of all this i felt that was where i belonged not the place but the people and the feeling i was having. When i came time to leave it was hard i wanted to stay there a keep that feeling and learn and grow. The when Dan came up with the idea to move there i jumped at it I wanted to go to synagog i was given a bible for the first time in 20 years and was reading it and studying it. I could get enough i just wanted to learn more. Being at the conference has brought that feeling to overwhelming. I feel at peace i have a faith that is stronger than it ever was and i want to learn as much as i can i have so many questions but most of all i have an overwhelming feeling of peace and love a joy and belonging. Dan has been a blessing in my life for he brought me to all of you and i am blessed to call each and every one of you my friend. You have helped get back soemthign that i thought that iw ould never have again and that is my faith. I know now that all these things werent because i am a bad person or i needed to be punished. But because everythinghappens according to a plan that we know nothing about right now. Well thats pretty much the short of it. I think of my story more as a story of trial and i know now though i may have lost my faith and gave up HE never gave up on me. Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/c38bb629/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Thu Apr 17 22:18:19 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:18:19 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] Tammys Story Message-ID: Hey Tammy, Is there a limit to how many times do I get to say, "WOW!!!! That's some story!" Or can I keep doing that? There are tears trickling down my cheeks as I write this...I am so touched by what you shared. I still cannot get over how HaShem calls HIS children home, no matter how difficult their situations have become. In fact, it seems to me, that HE particularly favors HIS beloved daughters the most...and you clearly are one of them - even if you don't know it yet...or have any idea 'why?' You (and Dan, too) were probably the first people I saw as I entered our meeting room on Friday...and I immediately thought that you had 'soulful eyes.' I remember thinking that, even though it's not an expression I've ever used before, so I kind of asked myself - 'what exactly does that mean?' And my take on it - is that your eyes were showing your pure soul and heart for HaShem. Yeah, you may not know all those funky Hebrew letters yet (I promised I'd help..and haven't forgotten!), but you will...and before you know it, you'll be sharing your understanding on those verses in the Tanach that we all struggle with. Trust me - you're on your way!! :-) May you be blessed in all that you do Tammy...it's a treat to know you! :-) Preparing for Pesah in the Big Apple, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/ff0e5b78/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Thu Apr 17 22:46:29 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:46:29 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Hine Ma Tov... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <020701c8a106$c93ad190$643c66c9@bettygivin> Joy Beth, thanks so much for the great photos and tell Brian thanks for putting them on your website. It brought back much joy looking thru them! We are quite a crew, I must say. Yes, maybe Dan could send some of his photos for examples of the "spirits" or "auras" that seemed to be hanging around? Interesting to say the least. I hope they will be on your website for awhile as I will not have the time between now and Monday. I simply MUST get myself off this computer, and do my last minute Pesach preparations and pack for my flight to New Orleans to visit Kim tomorrow. I have to teach in the morning and leave for the airport soon after getting out of school and have not packed one thing! But I have had wondrous fun this afternoon and evening on line!!! Shalom all!!! Betty/Elisheva _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of James Tabor Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:52 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Hine Ma Tov... This is very interesting as Dan's pictures had these too...Lots more of them. Maybe Dan can send some for examples. James On Apr 17, 2008, at 10:34 PM, Joy Beth wrote: One more odd thing - several of the pictures seem to include "spirits" (e.g., hovering around Pat at the top of the 3rd picture of Betty and Pat lighting candles). I don't know what caused this - my camera has never done this before. I assume they were friendly... :-) At 09:26 PM 4/17/2008, Joy Beth wrote: Thanks to Brian - he's posted them on my website! http://batsimcha.com/Gallery/ui2008/ I think you can copy the images from the website, if not (or if you need higher resolution), let me know and I can email an individual image, or... if you want multiple pics to print, just send me your snail mail address and I'll snail mail you a CD. Anyway, enjoy! It was wonderful meeting you too! Hope to see you again, next year or sooner.... Love, JoyBeth At 08:11 PM 4/17/2008, you wrote: Thank you JoyBeth! It was nice meeting you! We can't wait to see the pictures! Chris and Amber On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Joy Beth wrote: Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! So wonderful to see all you beautiful people again (and some for the first time)! Brian's Mom had a wonderful time too. I will be working on the pics tomorrow night to reduce & organize them - here's the first one... of some of the teachers to whom we owe so much! Thank you for sharing your wisdom... Love, JoyBeth _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1384 - Release Date: 4/17/2008 3:47 PM _______________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1384 - Release Date: 4/17/2008 3:47 PM _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/ad68be86/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 23:43:44 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:43:44 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Tammys Story In-Reply-To: <8CA6F1072137CFE-7CC-1274@FWM-D12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6F1072137CFE-7CC-1274@FWM-D12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804172143y17c0f4dbn6e81d318e3d963a1@mail.gmail.com> Dear Cousin Tammy, Thank you for sharing your story. You are so very special! I am so happy that you and Dan found each other. HaShem has a plan for you! I know what it is like to loose a child. There aren't many things harder than that. If you ever need to talk to someone who understand, just let me know. I love you, Tammy, and feel so blessed to know you. Shalom, Kim On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:10 PM, wrote: > Ok Amber here its. I have given this a lot of thought and I'm really not > sure where to begin without telling my whole life story. But i think that > things started looking dark for me when i became pregnant with my 3rd child. > In the begining i knew that this one wsa not like the rest and in my 5th > month i found out the i was pregnant with twins and i had an extremely rare > conditon. The doctors told me not to expect to carry the baby much longer. I > prayed i prayed hard than i had in my whole life and on March 11, 1997 Noah > Gabriel was born. Though weighing only 4lb 8oz and being extremely jaundice > he came home after only 4 days. His twin brother Zachary was still born. I > had mixed emotion to say the least but was greatful to have what all called > my miracle baby. Not long after Noahs birth my marriage began to fail. And i > began to truely doubt everything that i had believed in. Coming from a rocky > and rough childhood i needed my faith and i held on as tight as i could. > People said that i couldnt be faithful becuse i didnt go to church and i was > even accused of being a satanist once for burning candles and incense in my > home by a family member. In 2000 i became pregnant again with my 4th child. > My marriage was getting worse and i was in a deep depression. Life ws not > working out like it was supposed to. On December 4th 2000 i went into labor > and gave birth to Joseph Nicholas who passed away 2 hours after his birth. > After that i headed into a spiral of depression i barely remember leaving > the hospital. When i got home i slept constantly i dint want to be bothered > i didnt even want to live. After all i had been through in my life how could > HE let this happen. I didnt believe anymore and i told everyone that would > listen. I had totally lost my faith in anything. 1 week after Josephs death > my mother called me and told me i needed to get myself together and get over > it. I asked her how do you get over losing your child? My depression became > worse and my marriage got worse. I started drinking and i dint care about > life anymore i felt totally alone. After a failed suicide attempt waking up > in the hospital ws the worst thing that could happen (or so i thought at the > time) i just wanted all the pain and lonliness to stop. I got counseling i > came home and started my life over. After the birth of Alexnder and many > years of trying to salvage a long dead marriage my husband told me he wanted > a divorce. The reason i was given was because "You are You". now i tell you > all this because all this time i had no faith i didnt believe and i believed > that i was truely alone. I dint go to church i wanted to have no biblical > discussions i didnt own a bible i was done with it all. Then as my divorce > came final I was blessed to have a wonderful man come into my life that > showed me I wasnt alone. I met Dan and on the first trip to Louisiana to > sukkot i didnt know what to expect. I thought i have no faith I'm not jewish > what are these people going to think of me. THese people were wonderful i > had felt a peace that i hadnt felt in many years. I prayed for the first > time since Josephs death. I was reading the Torah and iwanted to i wanted to > learn. Being apart of all this i felt that was where i belonged not the > place but the people and the feeling i was having. When i came time to leave > it was hard i wanted to stay there a keep that feeling and learn and grow. > The when Dan came up with the idea to move there i jumped at it I wanted to > go to synagog i was given a bible for the first time in 20 years and was > reading it and studying it. I could get enough i just wanted to learn more. > Being at the conference has brought that feeling to overwhelming. I feel at > peace i have a faith that is stronger than it ever was and i want to learn > as much as i can i have so many questions but most of all i have an > overwhelming feeling of peace and love a joy and belonging. Dan has been a > blessing in my life for he brought me to all of you and i am blessed to call > each and every one of you my friend. You have helped get back soemthign that > i thought that iw ould never have again and that is my faith. I know now > that all these things werent because i am a bad person or i needed to be > punished. But because everythinghappens according to a plan that we know > nothing about right now. Well thats pretty much the short of it. I think of > my story more as a story of trial and i know now though i may have lost my > faith and gave up HE never gave up on me. > ------------------------------ > Get the MapQuest Toolbar, > Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080417/d76ff3fd/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 00:17:04 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:17:04 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Amber, I was out for most of the day, so have only just read your note. I had to smile when you said that at one point Chris forbade you to speak of this. I certainly remember my own husband of blessed memory forbidding me to speak any further to him of the things I was learning! However, like Chris, once he saw for himself what HaShem was showing me, he followed Him in an awesome way! Amazingly, the L-RD seemed to actually do things to convince Ron that I was hearing from Him. For instance, one night our young son was suffering from a very bad cough. I had gotten up with him a few times already, and was fast asleep. He started coughing again. My husband woke up and saw me (or thought he saw me) walking from my side of the bed, across our bedroom, and as I started through the door, he said something like, "Honey, are you Okay?" The figure he saw in the dark was clad in a long, light-colored garment like a gown or a robe, but it was far too dark to make out much detail. When Ron spoke, the figure just kept walking out the bedroom door without acknowledging him, but I suddenly moved beside him on the bed! As soon as the figure passed through our open door, our son suddenly stopped coughing and was quiet the rest of the night. Ron fully believed it was an angel who had been standing beside me as I slept. We had several interesting experiences - some with angels. I look very forward to hearing Chris's story. Love, Pat From: chris fordham Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:50 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Conference Hey Pat: Love you too! It sounds like a wonderful story but for a while there Chris forbid me to tell it! Ha! Ha! Hopefully he will tell his story next! I want to hear some of your stories! WE bless HaShem for sending your families into our lives. In just a short time we have felt so uplifted and full of joy! I wish we lived closer also but it seems He has us just where he wants us for the time being. Can't wait to hear from you again! Keep in touch! Shalom, Amber Apr 16, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Pat Robbins wrote: I love you, Amber!!! Your story is so wonderful, and I'm so very happy that you told it to everyone. I bless HaShem for sending your family into my life. You have enriched us all, and we are the better for knowing you. I just wish you were here so I could get one more hug from you!!! Your listening heart is what we all must have in order for the L-RD to use us in this Time! This IS the Time, and we ARE the people who have been lost for 2,700 years! We are turning and Returning to our Father, the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. How very blessed we all are that He is gathering us in His arms. My love to you, Precious Ones, Pat From: chris fordham Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:03 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Conference Okay........here goes but some people may not believe it. My husband and I were both raised in a Nazarene church. We met when he was 15 and I was 16. We went to high school together. We were married in 1997. We have two children. My husband and I have much trust and faith in one another which was shaken when we went through our "experience". It was that hard to believe. To make a long story short....I was praying and reading scripture one night, actually even into the early morning when I was convicted of the day we were worshipping. When I discussed what happened to me that night my husband kind of brushed it off, which later, you'll see he couldn't ignore anymore. He asked "How can you be right and all these millions of people be wrong?" As a christian back then I had grown stagnant an was starving spiritually. My husband was on the board, I taught missionary night, I was the nursery coordinator, we both had Sunday school classes, we ran the children's church, we were in the choir, we sang duets, I was VBS coordinator,etc...............I still wasn't being fed. Well if you know me, I am an all or nothing sort of person. When I was convicted of the Sabbath I could not ignore it. So I left the church. This was about 4 1/2 years ago. No one understood; not even my husband! The struggle really began when I told my husband I was convicted of cooking some of his favorite meals and in fact I couldn't cook him meat anymore especially if it was pork. I was vegetarian when we married so I didn't care for meat anyhow. So now we have the Sabbath issue and the meat and pork issue. At first I thought Sabbath was just Saturday all day long.....until we were at Ryans one Friday night, which was our tradition after his work week (which at the time was 7 days a week), and I had an experience as we were getting ready to pay for our meal. I told Chris to stop and we stepped aside a minite. I said we can't eat here tonight. Of course he didn't understand. I said look at that banner, "All you can eat BBQ, this place is unclean!" Chris said "What are you talking about? You don't make any sense Amber. Where are you getting this stuff? Who have you been talking to? What have you been reading?" I said "It's Inside of me! I haven't talked to anyone! I'm not reading anything(except scripture)! But we have to leave now! We'll just be wasting our money beause we can't have bread this week!" "What do you mean we can't have bread this week" he asked. "I don't know" I said! When we got in the car he was so mad he hit the steering wheel and was just yelling and asking "What are we going to feed Lindsey Amber? I guess we can't eat anything!" I explained we still had fruits and vegetables! Well, a few months go by and things are changing really fast. We were getting lots of visitors and calls asking what was wrong, where had we been, if we were coming back. My mother during this time asked Chris to commit me. She told him they only needed one signature from a spouse. He refused so she called my dad for a second signature, my dad refused also. When he refused she called my grandfather who said he would think about it since he had been hearing stories from the family, but he needed to see me for himself first. Well............the timing wasn't good because by the time he got there I had been convicted to camp out for a week. I still didn't know anything about the Holy Days or Feasts or Festivals at this time! But I had this huge urgency and need to go to the camping store and buy a tent, sleeping bags for us all, flashlights, lanterns, oil, etc. When Chris got home I had moved all of the furniture out of the kitchen/dining room and set up camp in our home! I even asked Chris to cut the power off that week! He said "Are you crazy? What am I suppose to tell the people at the power company? Oh, cut my power off for seven days. I will be glad to pay the reconnection fee after one week but please make sure it stays off for seven days!? You're going to see someone. You have lost your mind. Your mother was right." At this time, the doorbell rings. It was my grandfather. What bad timing! He even teared up when he saw me. He asked was everything okay. I said things were better than ever! He said, then what's all that stuff in your kitchen? I couldn't explain it. So, I saw a therapist for a while..............until I found a book on the Sabbath AND the Fall Feasts And Spring Festivals! I had almost started to believe I was crazy! I was screaming! Chris! Chris! Look! I'm not crazy! Well, here he come along with everyone in the building! They were all staring at me(like I was crazy again). We were at an adventist church at this time because it was the only place I knew of that kept Sabbath. The books were in their library and were written by a Sameul Bacchiochi who was an adventist. When I saw Passover and Unleavened Bread and Feast of Tabernacles I can't tell you how relieved I was. I had never heard of these before! I had never been taught these before! For the first time I could convince my husband that it wasn't just me! There were others.....somewhere out there! Of course I was called out of the Adventist church since they couldn't answer how come they kept Sabbath but not the Holy Days! So, we started searching for a Passover Seder. It was that time again and we had never celebrated it (other than the year before by going one week without bread)! So, we found Temple Beth El! We had our first traditional Seder there. The place we had the screening and desserts the other day! It took 1 1/2 years for my husband to understand it all. We lost ALL of our friends and most of our family! We don't care at this point anymore. Our prayer is bring into our life who you want there and weed out who you don't. My husband and I are finally back on the same page. There is no doubt in either of our minds that we are on the right path. We are one! And the strangest thing of all is when we looked back on the calendar the week we went without bread and the week we set up camp were the same weeks that the Feast fell under! Go figure! That is a short version of our story! On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:46 AM, wrote: Hey Amber - May I make a suggestion? Why not tell the group a little bit (or a lot!) about the 'journey' that YOUR family has begun taking. That will, in turn, get the others on the list to start telling THEIR stories, which will benefit ALL of us. Ross had asked me to write a ".brief introduction.." when I first joined the list, and I wound up writing a 9 part saga, followed by 3 additional chapters! But hey, that's just me... LOL :-) Let's start sharing our stories, and you'll see - not only what SO MANY of us have in common, but how SO MANY of us can help each other... Just a thought in the midst of an insane day....and once again, GREAT meeting you guys! B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael (With Love of Judah & Israel), Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's Tax Time! 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In-Reply-To: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin> References: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: Amber, Brian was working the camera, and Beth has long, blond hair, and was taking pictures a lot of the time. (I told her she needed to get a picture of herself!!!!) From: chris fordham Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:01 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! Pat, Can you remind us who Brian and Beth were? We met so many! Thanks Chris and Amber On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Pat Robbins wrote: A gigantic AMENto that!!!! It was so great getting to be with the three of you this weekend. I just wish we all lived close enough to gather together every week! But because of your unceasing work on all our behalves, we ARE CONNECTED VIA THE NET!!!!! My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, Pat From: Betty Givin Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 Dear Brian and Beth, I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you contribute behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this one, but for all of the work you have done over the years. You are both incredibly special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! Please take this to heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. It is so important that those who were not able to attend be able to be a part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. We both love and appreciate you both, Betty/Elisheva ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/b85f2475/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 01:23:14 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:23:14 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Pesach In-Reply-To: <00dd01c8a0e1$d7418420$643c66c9@bettygivin> References: <00dd01c8a0e1$d7418420$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: What Betty said, Hanoch........me too - a lot!!!!! From: Betty Givin Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:22 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Pesach Dear Hanoch, I am so sorry to hear that you will not have your family with you at the seder. Who among us understands these things? I bet any one of us would love the opportunity to stow away in someone's suitcase on a plane to the Big Apple and sit at your table with you to share in this joyous Festival of our Freedom! I know that being with you in spirit is not quite the same, but nonetheless, the vision of all of us with our smiling faces and "sparks" glowing together with yours is a pretty powerful one! Just think back to the conference and you should get the picture! I think Steve's analogy and suggestion is an excellent one. I am sure Eliyahu HaNavi is our prophet in these last day; and I believe that the actual turning of the heart of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers is beginning and is taking place before our very eyes, and you, Hanoch, have had a major part in it by opening your heart for your Ephramite "kin." Perhaps Eliyahu does have some words of wisdom and direction to share with you, so open your door and your heart wide and be ready and be encouraged. And write when you can. Don't pressure yourself. We will be happy whenever we hear from you. You are very much loved and appreciated, our brother! Please know that and let it touch the very depths of your heart and soul! Chag Sameach! Elisheva/Betty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:17 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] A real breakthrough... Hanoch, Sorry to hear about you having to make more bricks, and this time you have to get the straw yourself at night.... also about your family not being with you for the Seder.... may Eliyahu HaNavi come to your house for Pesach and fill you in on some details of his Work. I suggest you open your door and check for him early and set out a plate for him, not just a kos/cup. Steve At 02:02 PM 4/17/2008, you wrote: Dear Betty - Thank you for the kind words...always appreciated. In terms of work, I have gotten home after midnight for the last 2 nights, and actually had to go in today, too (I had put in for a day off to clean/shop/cook for Pesah). Unfortunately, neither of the girls will be with me this Pesah. Kyra is still in Israel (where she belongs..), and Ayala is spending the Chag (holiday) with her mother (after considerable pressure). Sounds great, doesn't it? From the extraordinary high of the conference to this pile of poop....it's got to be symbolic of something, I guess. Over the next week, perhaps I'll get more of a chance to reflect upon it, and figure out 'what it all means...' I hope to write again before Pesah, but if not - a Chag Sameach to everyone and their families. Best regards, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Need a new ride? 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/f359d3d2/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 06:33:57 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:33:57 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] A report on the conference... In-Reply-To: <0CCD3837-AD13-47DF-AEE5-162D5A9B6B1F@earthlink.net> References: <002b01c8a04e$75e11e40$643c66c9@bettygivin> <0CCD3837-AD13-47DF-AEE5-162D5A9B6B1F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks James! On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:13 PM, James Tabor wrote: > You can get both David and Patty at: ptyler at aac-usa.com > > They will be glad to hear you loved it!! > > James > > > On Apr 17, 2008, at 9:51 AM, chris fordham wrote: > > Shalom Mispocha! > > > > We can't remmeber Ronnie? Can you refresh our memory! And does anyone > > have David and Patty's email? We wanted to thank them for the entertainment > > and for including our children! What a great surprise and joy for them! > > > > Chag Sameach! > > > > Chris and Amber > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/8ac738b5/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 06:54:59 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:54:59 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Tammys Story In-Reply-To: <8CA6F1072137CFE-7CC-1274@FWM-D12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6F1072137CFE-7CC-1274@FWM-D12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thank you Tammy for sharing your story! When we are at our weakest He is at His strongest! We are rejoicing that He is bringing you back into peace and joy! We will continue to pray for you and your children! Everything DOES happen for a reason! I will have to share with you later our personal pregnancy stories so you do not feel so all alone! If you ever need to talk please call me! Amber On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:10 PM, wrote: > Ok Amber here its. I have given this a lot of thought and I'm really not > sure where to begin without telling my whole life story. But i think that > things started looking dark for me when i became pregnant with my 3rd child. > In the begining i knew that this one wsa not like the rest and in my 5th > month i found out the i was pregnant with twins and i had an extremely rare > conditon. The doctors told me not to expect to carry the baby much longer. I > prayed i prayed hard than i had in my whole life and on March 11, 1997 Noah > Gabriel was born. Though weighing only 4lb 8oz and being extremely jaundice > he came home after only 4 days. His twin brother Zachary was still born. I > had mixed emotion to say the least but was greatful to have what all called > my miracle baby. Not long after Noahs birth my marriage began to fail. And i > began to truely doubt everything that i had believed in. Coming from a rocky > and rough childhood i needed my faith and i held on as tight as i could. > People said that i couldnt be faithful becuse i didnt go to church and i was > even accused of being a satanist once for burning candles and incense in my > home by a family member. In 2000 i became pregnant again with my 4th child. > My marriage was getting worse and i was in a deep depression. Life ws not > working out like it was supposed to. On December 4th 2000 i went into labor > and gave birth to Joseph Nicholas who passed away 2 hours after his birth. > After that i headed into a spiral of depression i barely remember leaving > the hospital. When i got home i slept constantly i dint want to be bothered > i didnt even want to live. After all i had been through in my life how could > HE let this happen. I didnt believe anymore and i told everyone that would > listen. I had totally lost my faith in anything. 1 week after Josephs death > my mother called me and told me i needed to get myself together and get over > it. I asked her how do you get over losing your child? My depression became > worse and my marriage got worse. I started drinking and i dint care about > life anymore i felt totally alone. After a failed suicide attempt waking up > in the hospital ws the worst thing that could happen (or so i thought at the > time) i just wanted all the pain and lonliness to stop. I got counseling i > came home and started my life over. After the birth of Alexnder and many > years of trying to salvage a long dead marriage my husband told me he wanted > a divorce. The reason i was given was because "You are You". now i tell you > all this because all this time i had no faith i didnt believe and i believed > that i was truely alone. I dint go to church i wanted to have no biblical > discussions i didnt own a bible i was done with it all. Then as my divorce > came final I was blessed to have a wonderful man come into my life that > showed me I wasnt alone. I met Dan and on the first trip to Louisiana to > sukkot i didnt know what to expect. I thought i have no faith I'm not jewish > what are these people going to think of me. THese people were wonderful i > had felt a peace that i hadnt felt in many years. I prayed for the first > time since Josephs death. I was reading the Torah and iwanted to i wanted to > learn. Being apart of all this i felt that was where i belonged not the > place but the people and the feeling i was having. When i came time to leave > it was hard i wanted to stay there a keep that feeling and learn and grow. > The when Dan came up with the idea to move there i jumped at it I wanted to > go to synagog i was given a bible for the first time in 20 years and was > reading it and studying it. I could get enough i just wanted to learn more. > Being at the conference has brought that feeling to overwhelming. I feel at > peace i have a faith that is stronger than it ever was and i want to learn > as much as i can i have so many questions but most of all i have an > overwhelming feeling of peace and love a joy and belonging. Dan has been a > blessing in my life for he brought me to all of you and i am blessed to call > each and every one of you my friend. You have helped get back soemthign that > i thought that iw ould never have again and that is my faith. I know now > that all these things werent because i am a bad person or i needed to be > punished. But because everythinghappens according to a plan that we know > nothing about right now. Well thats pretty much the short of it. I think of > my story more as a story of trial and i know now though i may have lost my > faith and gave up HE never gave up on me. > ------------------------------ > Get the MapQuest Toolbar, > Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/4cb410b2/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 07:02:27 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:02:27 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes Pat! It is truly amazing when He reveals the truth to a spouse! It made us closer afterwards than we were before! The last 4 1/2 years of our marriage has been the best! We were married 7 years before our experience! We will have to share with you later one of our angel stories! Can't wait to hear from you again! Chag Sameach! Amber On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Pat Robbins wrote: > Hi Amber, > > I was out for most of the day, so have only just read your note. I had to > smile when you said that at one point Chris forbade you to speak of this. I > certainly remember my own husband of blessed memory forbidding me to speak > any further to him of the things I was learning! However, like Chris, once > he saw for himself what HaShem was showing me, he followed Him in an awesome > way! Amazingly, the L-RD seemed to actually do things to convince Ron that > I was hearing from Him. For instance, one night our young son was suffering > from a very bad cough. I had gotten up with him a few times already, and > was fast asleep. He started coughing again. My husband woke up and saw me > (or *thought* he saw me) walking from my side of the bed, across our > bedroom, and as I started through the door, he said something like, "Honey, > are you Okay?" The figure he saw in the dark was clad in a long, > light-colored garment like a gown or a robe, but it was far too dark to make > out much detail. When Ron spoke, the figure just kept walking out the > bedroom door without acknowledging him, but I suddenly moved beside him on > the bed! As soon as the figure passed through our open door, our son > suddenly stopped coughing and was quiet the rest of the night. Ron fully > believed it was an angel who had been standing beside me as I slept. > > We had several interesting experiences - some with angels. I look very > forward to hearing Chris's story. > > Love, > > Pat > > > > *From:* chris fordham > *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:50 AM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Conference > > Hey Pat: > > Love you too! It sounds like a wonderful story but for a while there > Chris forbid me to tell it! Ha! Ha! Hopefully he will tell his story > next! I want to hear some of your stories! WE bless HaShem for sending > your families into our lives. In just a short time we have felt so uplifted > and full of joy! I wish we lived closer also but it seems He has us just > where he wants us for the time being. Can't wait to hear from you again! > Keep in touch! > > Shalom, Amber > > > > > > Apr 16, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Pat Robbins wrote: > > > I love you, Amber!!! Your story is so wonderful, and I'm so very happy > > that you told it to everyone. I bless HaShem for sending your family into > > my life. You have enriched us all, and we are the better for knowing you. > > I just wish you were here so I could get one more hug from you!!! Your > > listening heart is what we all must have in order for the L-RD to use us in > > this Time! This IS the Time, and we ARE the people who have been lost for > > 2,700 years! We are turning and Returning to our Father, the G-d of > > Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. How very blessed we all are that He is gathering > > us in His arms. > > > > My love to you, Precious Ones, > > > > Pat > > > > *From:* chris fordham > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:03 PM > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Conference > > > > Okay........here goes but some people may not believe it. My husband > > and I were both raised in a Nazarene church. We met when he was 15 and I > > was 16. We went to high school together. We were married in 1997. We have > > two children. My husband and I have much trust and faith in one another > > which was shaken when we went through our "experience". It was that hard to > > believe. To make a long story short....I was praying and reading scripture > > one night, actually even into the early morning when I was convicted of the > > day we were worshipping. When I discussed what happened to me that night my > > husband kind of brushed it off, which later, you'll see he couldn't ignore > > anymore. He asked "How can you be right and all these millions of people be > > wrong?" As a christian back then I had grown stagnant an was starving > > spiritually. My husband was on the board, I taught missionary night, I was > > the nursery coordinator, we both had Sunday school classes, we ran the > > children's church, we were in the choir, we sang duets, I was VBS > > coordinator,etc...............I still wasn't being fed. Well if you know > > me, I am an all or nothing sort of person. When I was convicted of the > > Sabbath I could not ignore it. So I left the church. This was about 4 1/2 > > years ago. No one understood; not even my husband! The struggle really > > began when I told my husband I was convicted of cooking some of his favorite > > meals and in fact I couldn't cook him meat anymore especially if it was > > pork. I was vegetarian when we married so I didn't care for meat anyhow. > > So now we have the Sabbath issue and the meat and pork issue. At first I > > thought Sabbath was just Saturday all day long.....until we were at Ryans > > one Friday night, which was our tradition after his work week (which at the > > time was 7 days a week), and I had an experience as we were getting ready to > > pay for our meal. I told Chris to stop and we stepped aside a minite. I > > said we can't eat here tonight. Of course he didn't understand. I said > > look at that banner, "All you can eat BBQ, this place is unclean!" Chris > > said "What are you talking about? You don't make any sense Amber. Where > > are you getting this stuff? Who have you been talking to? What have you > > been reading?" I said "It's Inside of me! I haven't talked to anyone! I'm > > not reading anything(except scripture)! But we have to leave now! We'll > > just be wasting our money beause we can't have bread this week!" "What do > > you mean we can't have bread this week" he asked. "I don't know" I said! > > When we got in the car he was so mad he hit the steering wheel and was just > > yelling and asking "What are we going to feed Lindsey Amber? I guess we > > can't eat anything!" I explained we still had fruits and vegetables! Well, > > a few months go by and things are changing really fast. We were getting > > lots of visitors and calls asking what was wrong, where had we been, if we > > were coming back. My mother during this time asked Chris to commit me. She > > told him they only needed one signature from a spouse. He refused so she > > called my dad for a second signature, my dad refused also. When he > > refused she called my grandfather who said he would think about it since he > > had been hearing stories from the family, but he needed to see me for > > himself first. Well............the timing wasn't good because by the time > > he got there I had been convicted to camp out for a week. I still didn't > > know anything about the Holy Days or Feasts or Festivals at this time! But > > I had this huge urgency and need to go to the camping store and buy a tent, > > sleeping bags for us all, flashlights, lanterns, oil, etc. When Chris got > > home I had moved all of the furniture out of the kitchen/dining room and set > > up camp in our home! I even asked Chris to cut the power off that week! He > > said "Are you crazy? What am I suppose to tell the people at the power > > company? Oh, cut my power off for seven days. I will be glad to pay the > > reconnection fee after one week but please make sure it stays off for seven > > days!? You're going to see someone. You have lost your mind. Your mother > > was right." At this time, the doorbell rings. It was my grandfather. What > > bad timing! He even teared up when he saw me. He asked was everything > > okay. I said things were better than ever! He said, then what's all that > > stuff in your kitchen? I couldn't explain it. So, I saw a therapist for a > > while..............until I found a book on the Sabbath AND the Fall > > Feasts And Spring Festivals! I had almost started to believe I was crazy! > > I was screaming! Chris! Chris! Look! I'm not crazy! Well, here he come > > along with everyone in the building! They were all staring at me(like I was > > crazy again). We were at an adventist church at this time because it was > > the only place I knew of that kept Sabbath. The books were in their library > > and were written by a Sameul Bacchiochi who was an adventist. When I saw > > Passover and Unleavened Bread and Feast of Tabernacles I can't tell you how > > relieved I was. I had never heard of these before! I had never been taught > > these before! For the first time I could convince my husband that it wasn't > > just me! There were others.....somewhere out there! Of course I was called > > out of the Adventist church since they couldn't answer how come they kept > > Sabbath but not the Holy Days! So, we started searching for a Passover > > Seder. It was that time again and we had never celebrated it (other than > > the year before by going one week without bread)! So, we found Temple Beth > > El! We had our first traditional Seder there. The place we had the > > screening and desserts the other day! It took 1 1/2 years for my husband to > > understand it all. We lost ALL of our friends and most of our family! We > > don't care at this point anymore. Our prayer is bring into our life who you > > want there and weed out who you don't. My husband and I are finally back on > > the same page. There is no doubt in either of our minds that we are on the > > right path. We are one! And the strangest thing of all is when we looked > > back on the calendar the week we went without bread and the week we set up > > camp were the same weeks that the Feast fell under! Go figure! That is a > > short version of our story! > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:46 AM, wrote: > > > > > Hey Amber - > > > > > > May I make a suggestion? Why not tell the group a little bit (or > > > a lot!) about the 'journey' that YOUR family has begun taking. That will, > > > in turn, get the others on the list to start telling THEIR stories, which > > > will benefit ALL of us. > > > > > > Ross had asked me to write a ".brief introduction.." when I first > > > joined the list, and I wound up writing a 9 part saga, followed by 3 > > > additional chapters! But hey, that's just me... LOL :-) > > > > > > Let's start sharing our stories, and you'll see - not only what SO > > > MANY of us have in common, but how SO MANY of us can help each other... > > > > > > Just a thought in the midst of an insane day....and once again, > > > GREAT meeting you guys! > > > > > > B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael (With Love of Judah & Israel), > > > > > > * Hanoch *the Lil Lion of Judah > > > *Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...* > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance > > > . > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/d0cdd7f1/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 07:04:57 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:04:57 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! In-Reply-To: References: <006001c89f5c$9a9b8470$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: Thank you Pat! We finally figured it out last night! We remembered Beth as Joy! Chris and Amber On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Pat Robbins wrote: > Amber, Brian was working the camera, and Beth has long, blond hair, and > was taking pictures a lot of the time. (I told her she needed to get a > picture of herself!!!!) > > *From:* chris fordham > *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:01 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] THANK YOU BRIAN AND BETH!!! > > Pat, Can you remind us who Brian and Beth were? We met so many! Thanks > Chris and Amber > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Pat Robbins > wrote: > > > A gigantic AMENto that!!!! It was so great getting to be with the > > three of you this weekend. I just wish we all lived close enough to gather > > together every week! But because of your unceasing work on all our > > behalves, we ARE CONNECTED VIA THE NET!!!!! > > > > My love, appreciation and best wishes to you, Dear Ones, > > > > Pat > > > > *From:* Betty Givin > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:55 PM > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > *Subject:* [Dialogue] THANK YOU111 > > > > Dear Brian and Beth, > > > > > > > > I just wanted to publicly thank both of you for all that you contribute > > behind the scenes for our conferences and meetings, not just this one, but > > for all of the work you have done over the years. You are both incredibly > > special and gifted, and it is always great to see you! Please take this to > > heart, and know just how much we all appreciate you. > > > > > > > > It is so important that those who were not able to attend be able to be > > a part vicariously thru the videos that you produce. > > > > > > > > We both love and appreciate you both, > > > > > > > > Betty/Elisheva > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/0fc2304c/attachment.html From dantabor at yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 07:08:06 2008 From: dantabor at yahoo.com (Dan Tabor) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Shabbat Prayer and Gathering Song In-Reply-To: <200804180846.m3I8k1PM000972@pmail2540.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <452005.6087.qm@web45911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> * Talk about an uplifting cry of the heart and spirit during my morning tea. AWESOME!!! Dan Steve Mathe wrote: John, Pat and Kim, you asked for it, here is the "prayer song" you asked for. It is slightly adjusted for meter. If it needs more work, let me know, and make suggestions. Shabbat Prayer for Regathering In the Valley of Dry Bones, scattered in the dust, our bones hear the fateful words of the Prophets, ?Stand on your feet now, to stand you must!? We have assembled together, for the time has now come, we have followed father Jacob's ancient instructions, ?Be ready and prepare for what must be surely done.? Now we remember father Jacob's last words to all, ?Read the signs of your tribes when you wake up, ?Gather yourselves together, latter-day remnant!" Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, across time n' space they call, ?Listen to our heart and hear the ancient Shema well up, ?Gather yourselves together, remember the Covenant!? Blessed are you Lord God, for scattering and chastising us, we turn to you now, for our long sentence is up, Blessed are you Lord God, for mercifully gathering us. Our Father blesses us with the Shabbat of holiness, Mercy and Torah we seek, for we have done wrong , and bless our Father with heart-felt songs of thanks. To unite with one heart, we desire the most! Ephraim, Manasseh, and Benjamin unite in song, Holy, holy, holy, praised be the LORD God of Hosts! Gang, please pray that this Shabbat and Pesach the Ruach touch all those who are called with resolve, strength and Divinely-sent inspiration. This is of utmost importance for the movement at this time. Please be sure to count the Omer every day with great resolve to draw down the Ruach for all Israel, and to be ready for Shavuot, the Feast of Weeks. As Israel, we are the firstborn of G-d, (Ex. 4:22) and we have an unfinished job of service ahead of us. We are also the first contingent from the Valley of Dry Bones, and as such we have a great work Hashem has assigned to us. We will not be able to do it, without his Guidance and strengthening us. Remember, we are but worms, (Isa. 41:14), but with the help of the G-d of Israel we are to do a service in this drafted contingent, (Isa. 41: 8-9). Thank you for each one of you doing your part in this effort. Shabbat Shalom and Chag Sameach! Steve _______________________________________________ --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/38e4b404/attachment.html From chattertonw at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 18 07:22:44 2008 From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (chattertonw at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:22:44 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] For the Mouth of HaSHeM hath Spoken it In-Reply-To: <011a01c8a0ea$f7150340$643c66c9@bettygivin> References: <041720081733.3622.48078A0600045A1F00000E2622230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> <011a01c8a0ea$f7150340$643c66c9@bettygivin> Message-ID: <041820081222.12175.480892940001CDEA00002F8F22218683269B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Thank you for responding, Betty. I try very hard to hear the voice of HaSHeM, and then speak His Words to His chosen ones... Then HaSHeM put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And HaSHeM said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth. Jeremiah 1:9 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people. Isaiah 51:16 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. Deuteronomy 32:1 Receive, I pray thee, the law from his mouth, and lay up his words in thine heart. Job 22:22 Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. Psalms 78:1 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith HaSHeM; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith HaSHeM, from henceforth and for ever. Isaiah 59:21 Thus saith HaSHeM of hosts; Let your hands be strong, ye that hear in these days these words by the mouth of the prophets, which were in the day that the foundation of the house of HaSHeM of hosts was laid, that the temple might be built. Zechariah 8:9 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/0aa34840/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Fri Apr 18 09:15:48 2008 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:15:48 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Shabbat Prayer and Gathering Song In-Reply-To: <452005.6087.qm@web45911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02ad01c8a15e$b48ce730$643c66c9@bettygivin> Yes! Awe inspiring and beautiful and timely! I can hardly wait for the melody! It is perfect just the way it is! Steve, you are an amazing child of HaShem! Thank you so very much! Much love and many blessings to you and all.may we be filled with hope and promise now for the days to come! Chag (twirl and dance!) Sameach to all.we are indeed family with a purpose! Betty/Elisheva _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Dan Tabor Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:08 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Shabbat Prayer and Gathering Song * Talk about an uplifting cry of the heart and spirit during my morning tea. AWESOME!!! Dan Steve Mathe wrote: John, Pat and Kim, you asked for it, here is the "prayer song" you asked for. It is slightly adjusted for meter. If it needs more work, let me know, and make suggestions. Shabbat Prayer for Regathering In the Valley of Dry Bones, scattered in the dust, our bones hear the fateful words of the Prophets, "Stand on your feet now, to stand you must!" We have assembled together, for the time has now come, we have followed father Jacob's ancient instructions, "Be ready and prepare for what must be surely done." Now we remember father Jacob's last words to all, "Read the signs of your tribes when you wake up, "Gather yourselves together, latter-day remnant!" Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, across time n' space they call, "Listen to our heart and hear the ancient Shema well up, "Gather yourselves together, remember the Covenant!" Blessed are you Lord God, for scattering and chastising us, we turn to you now, for our long sentence is up, Blessed are you Lord God, for mercifully gathering us. Our Father blesses us with the Shabbat of holiness, Mercy and Torah we seek, for we have done wrong , and bless our Father with heart-felt songs of thanks. To unite with one heart, we desire the most! Ephraim, Manasseh, and Benjamin unite in song, Holy, holy, holy, praised be the LORD God of Hosts! Gang, please pray that this Shabbat and Pesach the Ruach touch all those who are called with resolve, strength and Divinely-sent inspiration. This is of utmost importance for the movement at this time. Please be sure to count the Omer every day with great resolve to draw down the Ruach for all Israel, and to be ready for Shavuot, the Feast of Weeks. As Israel, we are the firstborn of G-d, (Ex. 4:22) and we have an unfinished job of service ahead of us. We are also the first contingent from the Valley of Dry Bones, and as such we have a great work Hashem has assigned to us. We will not be able to do it, without his Guidance and strengthening us. Remember, we are but worms, (Isa. 41:14), but with the help of the G-d of Israel we are to do a service in this drafted contingent, (Isa. 41: 8-9). Thank you for each one of you doing your part in this effort. Shabbat Shalom and Chag Sameach! Steve _______________________________________________ _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/f1ed7e98/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Fri Apr 18 11:37:05 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:37:05 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] That map.... Message-ID: Shalom L'Kulchem (to everyone), During my talk last weekend about restoring Judah and Ephraim to our beloved Eretz Yisrael, I held up two pictures of maps, and had meant to pass them around. Since I never got around to it, I have 'pasted' the one in English below. You see, there's PLENTY of room for all of us, when we, with G-d's help, have the REAL family union, in the not-to-distant future. HaShem ALWAYS keeps his promises :-) (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/images/greater-israel-map4.jpg) B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/a604413e/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Fri Apr 18 11:54:25 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:54:25 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] To read, and discuss with your elected officials Message-ID: Shalom to all - THIS is what we should be pressing our elected officials about! Please see below.. Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... No cause more pressing than to protect Israel by Charles Krauthammer, Washington Post Writers Group - Apr 14, 2008 Kansas City Star WASHINGTON | Last week, Iran announced it was installing 6,000 more centrifuges ? they produce enriched uranium, the key ingredient of a nuclear weapon ? in addition to the 3,000 already operating. The world yawned. It is time to admit the truth: The Bush administration?s attempt to halt Iran? s nuclear program has failed. Utterly. The latest round of U.N. Security Council sanctions is comically weak. The president is going to hand over to his successor an Iran on the verge of going nuclear. This will deeply destabilize the Middle East, threaten the moderate Arabs with Iranian hegemony and leave Israel on hair-trigger alert. This failure can, however, be mitigated. Since there will apparently be no disarming of Iran by pre-emption or by sanctions, we shall have to rely on deterrence to prevent the mullahs, some of whom are apocalyptic and messianic, from using nuclear weapons. During the Cold War, we prevented an attack not only on the United States but also on America?s allies by extending the American nuclear umbrella ? i.e., declaring that any attack on our allies would be considered an attack on the United States. Such a threat is never 100 percent credible. Nonetheless, it made the Soviets think twice about attacking our European allies. We should do the same to keep nuclear peace in the Middle East. It would be infinitely less dangerous (and therefore more credible) than Cold War deterrence because there will be no threat from Iran of the annihilation of the United States. Iran, unlike the Soviet Union, would have a relatively tiny arsenal incapable of reaching the United States. How to create deterrence? The way John Kennedy did during the Cuban missile crisis. President Bush should issue the following declaration, adopting Kennedy? s language while changing the names of the miscreants: It shall be the policy of this nation to regard any nuclear attack upon Israel by Iran, or originating in Iran, as an attack by Iran on the United States, requiring a full retaliatory response upon Iran. This should be followed with a simple explanation: ?As a beacon of tolerance and as leader of the free world, the United States will not permit a second Holocaust to be perpetrated upon the Jewish people.? This policy ? the Holocaust Declaration ? would establish a firm benchmark that would outlive this administration. Every future president would have to publicly state whether or not he supports the Holocaust Declaration. For the first time since the time of Jesus, Israel is the home of the world?s largest Jewish community. An implacable enemy has openly declared genocidal intentions against it ? in clear violation of the U.N. charter ? and is pursuing the means to carry out that intent. The world does nothing. Some, like the Russians, are literally providing fuel for the fire. For those who believe that America stands for something in the world, there can be no more pressing cause than preventing the nuclear annihilation of an allied democracy, the last refuge and hope of an ancient people openly threatened with the final Final Solution. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/9249c113/attachment.html From rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 18 12:00:35 2008 From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net (Rudolph Ricciardi) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Shabbat Prayer and Gathering Song In-Reply-To: <200804180846.m3I8k1PM000972@pmail2540.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <155459.7340.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Dear Steve, Thank you for sending this out. I was touched so when I first heard it at the hotel. It is truly from the "Heart of HaShem'. Also can't wait for the melody(John). Your words are encouraging and inspiring. Continue to speak out for the sake of all "Truth Seekers". You are necessary to "the cause". Shabbat Shalom and Chag Sameach! Linda/Hadassah Steve Mathe wrote: John, Pat and Kim, you asked for it, here is the "prayer song" you asked for. It is slightly adjusted for meter. If it needs more work, let me know, and make suggestions. Shabbat Prayer for Regathering In the Valley of Dry Bones, scattered in the dust, our bones hear the fateful words of the Prophets, ?Stand on your feet now, to stand you must!? We have assembled together, for the time has now come, we have followed father Jacob's ancient instructions, ?Be ready and prepare for what must be surely done.? Now we remember father Jacob's last words to all, ?Read the signs of your tribes when you wake up, ?Gather yourselves together, latter-day remnant!" Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, across time n' space they call, ?Listen to our heart and hear the ancient Shema well up, ?Gather yourselves together, remember the Covenant!? Blessed are you Lord God, for scattering and chastising us, we turn to you now, for our long sentence is up, Blessed are you Lord God, for mercifully gathering us. Our Father blesses us with the Shabbat of holiness, Mercy and Torah we seek, for we have done wrong , and bless our Father with heart-felt songs of thanks. To unite with one heart, we desire the most! Ephraim, Manasseh, and Benjamin unite in song, Holy, holy, holy, praised be the LORD God of Hosts! Gang, please pray that this Shabbat and Pesach the Ruach touch all those who are called with resolve, strength and Divinely-sent inspiration. This is of utmost importance for the movement at this time. Please be sure to count the Omer every day with great resolve to draw down the Ruach for all Israel, and to be ready for Shavuot, the Feast of Weeks. As Israel, we are the firstborn of G-d, (Ex. 4:22) and we have an unfinished job of service ahead of us. We are also the first contingent from the Valley of Dry Bones, and as such we have a great work Hashem has assigned to us. We will not be able to do it, without his Guidance and strengthening us. Remember, we are but worms, (Isa. 41:14), but with the help of the G-d of Israel we are to do a service in this drafted contingent, (Isa. 41: 8-9). Thank you for each one of you doing your part in this effort. Shabbat Shalom and Chag Sameach! Steve _______________________________________________ Shalom to all! Linda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/b90ffbd8/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 12:08:48 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:08:48 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] For the Mouth of HaSHeM hath Spoken it In-Reply-To: <041720081733.3622.48078A0600045A1F00000E2622230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> References: <041720081733.3622.48078A0600045A1F00000E2622230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Message-ID: Hi Glenn ~ Am trying to catch up on all my emails. Was reading last night into the wee hours. When I read these Scriptures, I was blown away - especially by Zech 10:7! I see a relationship in it to Jer. 31:21 which I've not been able to get out of my mind since James spoke of it again at the Conference. Both the Jer. and the Zech. verses speak of a "gibor," a warrior. There is something HUGE here that HaShem is saying to us, but I can't quite grasp it. I know that He is saying in Jer 31:21 that "nekevah" (which means feminine) will "savav" (meaning: to go around; to surround, encompass, circle, encircle, besiege; to turn; to cause, occasion, bring about; to sit at table, compass, or even court) a "gibor" (meaning a warrior). It's odd because you would expect it to read that "nekevah" will compass a "zacar" (which means masculine). That would make sense, feminine will court masculine. First in Jer. 31:21, the L-RD asks, "How long will you turn about" (from the prime root "chamak" which means: to slip away, turn about, turn away, go away). Then He says He will do a "new thing" and "nekevah" (feminine) will court a "gibor" (warrior). We know from Zech. 10:7 that you quoted below that "..they of Ephraim shall be like a gibor..." So, though he refers to us as "virgin Israel" in Jer., and says that we have been slipping away, turning away, going away from Him, He also refers to us as a "gibor," a warrior, which is masculine. I'm wondering if the "new thing" He is doing in the End Time (NOW) which concerns nekevah (feminine) courting a gibor (warrior) could be saying that the Shkinah (which is feminine) will NOW surround and court us? Is this yet another prophecy of the outpouring of His Spirit upon us in the End Days? Does this Regathering go hand-in-hand with the Outpouring of His Spirit in a dimension of which we have heretofore not imagined (a "new thing")? I may not be making myself understood. I hope I'm being lucid in trying to say this. I think something totally awesome is happening, and that last weekend was somehow a very large breakthrough in that process for all of us - whether we were in Charlotte or not. Thank you, Glenn, for your listening heart, Pat From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:33 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] For the Mouth of HaSHeM hath Spoken it For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto HaSHeM our God. For thus saith HaSHeM; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O HaSHeM, save thy people, the remnant of Israel. Jeremiah 31:6-7 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Hear the word of HaSHeM, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock. Jeremiah 31:9-10 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim. Isaiah 11:12-13 Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found. Hosea 14:8 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in HaSHeM. Zechariah 10:7 And the glory of HaSHeM shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of HaSHeM hath spoken it. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/27941356/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Fri Apr 18 15:21:11 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:21:11 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] 'Passover Freedom' article Message-ID: Shalom L'Kulchem, Below is an article by Rav Bar Tzadok, that I found very, very interesting, and I'm sure you will, too. May it help make your Pesah even more meaningful... B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael, Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... Passover Freedom By HaRav Ariel Bar Tzadok. Copyright (C) 2008 by Ariel Bar Tzadok. All rights reserved. 167 forever! As we come to celebrate Passover, we must remember the message of the moment. Freedom, once received, must be preserved. There is an old military saying in Israel, "only those who defend their freedom will keep it." With the one exception of Passover, freedom is not something given; it is earned. Freedom requires discipline, hard work and most of all, self sacrifice. In ancient Egypt we paid for our freedom with the blood of our newborn male children; our enemies also paid with the blood of their firstborns. Since that one unique moment in human history when G-d personally intervened and brought us out of Egypt by a supernatural hand, the responsibility to acquire and preserve freedom has fallen into human hands, blessed by G-d and grasping the sword. Only those who wield the sword stand a chance to defend their freedom. Those who have "beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks" (Is. 2:4) have acted prematurely. By doing so, in their foolish and fantastical illusions of peace, they have again been taken captive and today are in the depths of slavery. They are no longer free men, who can make their own choices and chart the course of their own destinies. Instead they are slaves, without a backbone and without resolve. They are weak in mind and body; completely subject to the directions, whims and commands of another. Kohelet says (3:8) that there are both times for war and times for peace. Not for naught is the time of war written before the time of peace. War comes before peace. The plagues came to Egypt before the exodus and the apocalypse will come before Mashiah. Wars conquer enemies and only when the enemy is conquered can there truly be peace. When Mashiah comes there will be plenty of time for peace. Until then, each and every day, it is time for war. Those who fight stand the chance to win. Those who do not fight have already lost. They are slaves. Torah teaches us that the status of a slave is less than a full human being. A slave is considered property and not a man. He cannot even observe many of the laws of Torah. Only a man can observe Torah, only a free man can serve G-d. Slaves grovel; free men stand tall. Slaves submit and follow orders, free men fight and surrender only to G-d. Here in these United States, Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. He paid for his courage with a bullet to the head. Today, most Americans, other westerners and certainly most Jews have willing walked right back into slavery. Although today's slavery is mostly of the mind, still it is as binding and degrading as what was experienced by those living here over a century ago. This Passover finds the vast majority of us again being slaves. We celebrate a Passover Seder as a hollow reminder of former glory. Today, we have no such glory. Today, we grovel before our many new masters. We embrace peace and passivism and fear raising the sword of free men. Only free men can carry a weapon. Only free men can wield it and fight. Avraham Avinu was such a warrior; so was Yaakov his grandson. Our ancestors went forth from Egypt fully armed and ready for war (Rashi, Ex. 13:18). Yet, alas, today, their descendants sit in their plush homes, comfortable, fat, lazy and passive; ready to be led to the slaughter like lambs instead of being ready to sit at the head of the feast of free men, eating slaughtered lamb. Today, the slaves fear to raise the sword, to slaughter again the paschal lamb; after all, what would the neighbors think? If I lifted the sword, what would others say? So instead of raising the sword of freedom to defend and conquer, the sword of slaughter is raised up against us, to slit the throats of those too peace-loving to care to defend themselves. Slaves die; who cares? Free men live; everyone cares and everyone is forced to respect them. The Haggadah teaches that in every generation every man must personally see himself as if he personally went forth from Egypt. Torah is clear that our ancestors went out armed. Today, where are your arms? Where is your sword, your military knife or even your gun? Please do not respond with your loathing of violence and weapons. This only proves your disrespect for Torah and everything holy. Since the days of Moses, Joshua and David, Israel has had an army and it was the greatest of honors to serve G-d as one of His holy fighters. How far have we fallen, how blind we are, how polluted are our minds that such a natural and logical thing such as self defense should be ignored by so many. Torah commands it and we ignore it, and still many call themselves Torah observant. They cannot even see their own contradictions. If you want to be like our ancestors who left Egypt at the first Passover, then you should celebrate this Passover just like they did. You should have your weapons of war ready and displayed at your Seder table. They should be practical weapons, not ceremonial ones. You should know how to use them and teach your children how to use them. You should be ready for war. For remember, soon after the exodus, Amalek came and declared war. The people went out to fight, to survive. As it was then, so nothing has changed today. Freedom survives because free men fight for it. Freedom dies when people grow lazy and lethargic. First they expect others to fight for their freedom, and then they turn their backs on even those fighters, disrespecting their heroic self-sacrifice. This is the mind of a slave and a coward. First the mind is enslaved, the body then always follows suit. Passover celebrates victory by the Hand of G-d over the hand of man. Since the first Passover the victory of the Hand of G-d is achieved through the sword and not through the word as the slaves have taught! Talk has its place and it has its power. It is said that the pen is mightier than the sword. This too has its moments. Yet, when the pen and sword are united, then the free men cannot be conquered. Indeed, even in ancient days, Rabbi Elazar ben Shamma taught (Sifre, Ekev 40) that the Torah came down from Heaven wrapped in a sword. We do not choose one or the other. We embrace them both. Both came down from Heaven equally and together. Both serve the Will of Heaven. Both united and together bring about the fulfillment of the Kingdom of Heaven. Both together are necessary for free men to remain free. Passover is the time to commemorate freedom, to remember it and to recommit to it. At my Passover table we will have weapons of war, symbols equal to matzah and marror. Matzah is the bread of freedom, marror is to remind us of slavery, and the weapons make sure that we do not confuse the two. We do not fulfill our Passover obligations unless we embrace freedom. This cannot be done by word alone; it must be done by deed. Long live the fighters! Long live the free men who today and everyday experience the Exodus! Long live Torah! Long live David our king, in whose army we are now summoned to fight. Pick up your arms and sharpen your minds. Only then will you know how to wield the sword in the battle for freedom and righteousness. --------------------------------------------------- Shalom, Ariel Bar Tzadok _Support KosherTorah_ (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001L8qmhPSz_wf1Fs4RfZw_iwcNDI-g2u_S9bDUDzKyU_cGsco2PW73VSXAqP8ApVG7ZIwDBKJPK27wt0ZJSE8KjVh9Boqq5d6-WSReP 3R0OBolKjRfdRZEzhsAZLKx9Nn13kwhPp2pmyHX3pknvwelc1r0wvKxU19NQaw4VLNd7ZT_47cw8ug k8427a6s23LeWgVf6Gzc4nJo=) _Shop our Online Store_ (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001L8qmhPSz_wf4inpyNeWYowSDPYkQBaG4jy1dyQJoD2mtjixjvpX8JhXguTaUn2Uiec7vFqKPJmM eBecJ0fW0MVwWgqhPNAMtTV_gqcZK7qTpbZVFba9d_pofRfwyuikD5kRNe8bN_W7eedlUPEAyxYd28 r1xQmbIA77KONMahuKLpFKlh017TWbmdyZVZj7mAdTMb0s-CrE=) **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/51da8828/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 18 15:48:52 2008 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:48:52 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas Message-ID: <041820082048.21624.48090933000F3F750000547822230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> (For those on the UIWU list, sorry for the duplication) Hey all, One of the things the LA contingent did to stay awake on the way home from the conference this week was toss around ideas to maximize the impact of the Succoth celebration we are hosting in October of this year. Our fearless leader, Ross (I know he'll get on me for saying that ;-{)}) came up with the idea of each paricipant (and thier family) chosing a tribe to belong to for the duration of thier stay (Judah, Levi, Ephraim, etc.). This developed into what amounts to a kind of "immersion" experience in which folks could not only belong to a tribe but that tribe would use thier talents to support and teach the whole "nation" of Israel at the feast. For instance, the tribe of Levi could do the cooking, Cohens could play music, others could tie Tzit-Tzit or make menorahs or whatever we want. We would have "booths" to house each artisan as well. I told the group I would send this out to see what ideas and response we would get from everyone. Our intention is to place a sign-up sheet on the ROF website in the near future for folks to register thier ideas and tribe affiliations. So let us know what y'all think and we'll try to make this a Succoth to remember. -- John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill and Ted -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "AMEDEE, SUSAN W" To: "HOWARD, PHYLLIS C" , "FERGUSON, STEPHANIE L" , "STEWART, MARY L" , "TURNER, HELEN M" , "ERNEST, REGINA R" , "MAHER, KATHY COURTNEY" , "WILLIAMS, GENIA G" , "WILLIAMS, MARGARET W" , "PADGETT, CONSTANCE M" , "HAMILTON, ELAINE" , "Tiffany VanNorman" , "KELLY FOSTER" , "karen clark" , "ANGIE" , "bonnie schindler" , "Angela Schindler" , "Stephanie Ferguson" , , "DAUTEL, LAWRENCE H" , "david lea" , , , , , , , "ELLEN RY AN WARNER" , Subject: EARTH AT NIGHT (UNCLASSIFIED) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:25:52 +0000 ----- Forwarded by Sherry V Metrejean/Distributors/Cummins on 04/16/2008 10:57 AM ----- Craig Landry/Distributors/Cummins 04/16/2008 09:42 AM ToTy D Ashley/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Barry Lasseigne/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Sherry V Metrejean/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Crystal Bowser/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Pat Cavalier/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Kyle Clouse/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, James Woodard/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Wade A Woodard/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Nelson E Marney/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Eric Webre/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins cc SubjectFw: [FW]Fwd: EARTH AT NIGHT (UNCLASSIFIED) You rock. 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Name: AstronautSunitaWilliamsPicsofEarth.pps Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1726464 bytes Desc: AstronautSunitaWilliamsPicsofEarth.pps Url : http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/0328c4c0/attachment.obj From calbfordham at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 18:14:23 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:14:23 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] FW: EARTH AT NIGHT (UNCLASSIFIED) In-Reply-To: <041820082105.26665.48090D3100049D7A0000682922230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <041820082105.26665.48090D3100049D7A0000682922230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: Thanks John! Since we homeschool; these are great for our children! Chag Sameach! Chris Fordham On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:05 PM, wrote: > These are beautiful. Remember, if you respond to this please cut out > the attachment so we don't overload the server. Thanks. > -- > John C. > > "Be excellent to each other!" > Bill and Ted > > > -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- > From: "AMEDEE, SUSAN W" > To: "HOWARD, PHYLLIS C" , "FERGUSON, STEPHANIE L" < > SFERGUS at entergy.com>, "STEWART, MARY L" , "TURNER, > HELEN M" , "ERNEST, REGINA R" , > "MAHER, KATHY COURTNEY" , "WILLIAMS, GENIA G" < > GWILLI3 at entergy.com>, "WILLIAMS, MARGARET W" , > "PADGETT, CONSTANCE M" , "HAMILTON, ELAINE" < > EHAMILT at entergy.com>, "Tiffany VanNorman" , "KELLY > FOSTER" , "karen clark" , > "ANGIE" , "bonnie schindler" , > "Angela Schindler" , "Stephanie Ferguson" &l > t;steffergie at yahoo.com >, , > "DAUTEL, LAWRENCE H" , "david lea" < > dave082450 at hotmail.com>, , < > carlson_john at bellsouth.net>, , < > rb49eb45 at bellsouth.net>, , , > "ELLEN RYAN WARNER" , > Subject: EARTH AT NIGHT (UNCLASSIFIED) > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:25:52 +0000 > > > > > > ----- Forwarded by Sherry V Metrejean/Distributors/Cummins on 04/16/2008 > 10:57 AM ----- > > *Craig Landry/Distributors/Cummins* 04/16/2008 09:42 AM > > To > > Ty D Ashley/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Barry > Lasseigne/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Sherry V > Metrejean/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Crystal > Bowser/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Pat > Cavalier/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Kyle > Clouse/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, James > Woodard/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Wade A > Woodard/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Nelson E > Marney/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Eric > Webre/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins > > cc > > > > Subject > > Fw: [FW]Fwd: EARTH AT NIGHT (UNCLASSIFIED) > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, > No Cost. > ------------------------------ > > Get the MapQuest Toolbar, > Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! > > > ------------------------------ > > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/d9106e21/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 18:16:09 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:16:09 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] For the Mouth of HaSHeM hath Spoken it In-Reply-To: <041720081733.3622.48078A0600045A1F00000E2622230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> References: <041720081733.3622.48078A0600045A1F00000E2622230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Message-ID: Glenn: We love these scriptures! We are printing them out and hanging them on the kids walls! Thank You! The Fordhams On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:33 PM, wrote: > For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall > cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto HaSHeM our God. For thus saith > HaSHeM; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the > nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O HaSHeM, save thy people, the > remnant of Israel. Jeremiah 31:6-7 > > > > They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I > will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein > they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my > firstborn. Hear the word of HaSHeM, O ye nations, and declare it in the > isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep > him, as a shepherd doth his flock. Jeremiah 31:9-10 > > > > And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the > outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four > corners of the earth. The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the > adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and > Judah shall not vex Ephraim. Isaiah 11:12-13 > > > > Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard > him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit > found. Hosea 14:8 > > > > And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall > rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; > their heart shall rejoice in HaSHeM. Zechariah 10:7 > > > > And the glory of HaSHeM shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it > together: for the mouth of HaSHeM hath spoken it. Isaiah 40:5 > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/7b656abe/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 18:56:31 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:56:31 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Fwd: More Verses! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: chris fordham Date: Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:55 PM Subject: More Verses! To: Chris and Amber Ezekiel 37:9"He then said to me, "Prophesy to the spirit, prophesy, son of man, and you shall say to the spirit, 'Thus said the Master *????*, "Come from the four winds, O spirit, and breathe on these slain, so that they live." ' " Ezekiel 37:10"And I prophesied as He commanded me, and the spirit came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, a very great army." Ezekiel 37:11"And He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are all the House of Israel. See, they say, 'Our bones are dry, our expectancy has perished, and we ourselves have been cut off!'" Ezekiel 37:12"Therefore prophesy, and you shall say to them, 'Thus said the Master *????*, "See, O My people, I am opening your graves, and shall bring you up from your graves, and shall bring you into the land of Israel." Ezekiel 37:13"And you shall know that I am *????*, when I open your graves, O My people, and bring you up from your graves." Ezekiel 37:14"And I shall put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I shall settle you in your own land. And you shall know that I *????* have spoken, and I have done it," declares *????*.'" Ezekiel 37:15"And the word of *????* came to me, saying," Ezekiel 37:16"And you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it, 'For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions.' Then take another stick and write on it, 'For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the House of Israel, his companions.'" Ezekiel 37:17"Then bring them together for yourself into one stick, and they shall become one in your hand." Ezekiel 37:18"And when the children of your people speak to you, saying, 'Won't you show us what you mean by these?'" Ezekiel 37:19"say to them, 'Thus said the Master *????*, "See, I am taking the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions. And I shall give them unto him, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick," and they shall be one in My hand." '" Ezekiel 37:20"And the sticks on which you write shall be in your hand before their eyes." Ezekiel 37:21"And speak to them, 'Thus said the Master *????*, "See, I am taking the children of Israel from among the gentiles, wherever they have gone, and shall gather them from all around, and I shall bring them into their land." Ezekiel 37:22"And I shall make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. And one sovereign shall be sovereign over them all, and let them no longer be two nations, and let them no longer be divided into two reigns." Ezekiel 37:23"And they shall no longer defile themselves with their idols, nor with their disgusting matters, nor with any of their transgressions. And I shall save them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and I shall cleanse them. And they shall be My people, and I be their Elohim," Ezekiel 37:24"while David My servant is sovereign over them. And they shall all have one shepherd and walk in My right-rulings and guard My laws, and shall do them." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/c1a47d75/attachment.html From puddlefrog at aol.com Fri Apr 18 19:27:49 2008 From: puddlefrog at aol.com (puddlefrog at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:27:49 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas In-Reply-To: <041820082048.21624.48090933000F3F750000547822230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <041820082048.21624.48090933000F3F750000547822230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <8CA6FCB54C049B1-1544-1FE6@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> John, I think thats a wonderful idea!!!! It sounds like a wonderful way to learn about the tribes (goodness knows i have a lot to learn) and also a chance to teach as well, and well it just sounds like gosh darn fun!!! Shabbat Shalom, Tammy -----Original Message----- From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net To: Dialogue Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 4:48 pm Subject: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas (For those on the UIWU list, sorry for the duplication)? ? Hey all, ? One of the things the LA contingent did to stay awake on the way home from the conference this week was toss around ideas to maximize the impact of the Succoth celebration we are hosting in October of this year.? Our fearless leader, Ross (I know he'll get on me for saying that ;-{)}) came up with the idea of each paricipant (and thier family) chosing a tribe to belong to for the duration of thier stay (Judah, Levi, Ephraim, etc.).? This developed into what amounts to a kind of "immersion" experience in which folks could not only belong to a tribe but that tribe would use thier talents to support and teach the whole "nation" of Israel at the feast.? For instance, the tribe of Levi could do the cooking, Cohens could play music, others could tie Tzit-Tzit or make menorahs or whatever we want.? We would have?"booths" to house each artisan as well. ? I told the group I would send this out to see what ideas and response we would get from everyone.? Our intention is to place a sign-up sheet on the ROF website in the near future for folks to register thier ideas and tribe affiliations. ? So let us know what y'all think and we'll try to make this a Succoth to remember. -- John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/6eac605f/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 19:33:01 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas In-Reply-To: <8CA6FCB54C049B1-1544-1FE6@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> References: <041820082048.21624.48090933000F3F750000547822230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> <8CA6FCB54C049B1-1544-1FE6@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes! How great for the kids to learn also! We know how to make two styles of Zhit Zhit! Chris and Amber On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:27 PM, wrote: > John, > I think thats a wonderful idea!!!! It sounds like a wonderful way to learn > about the tribes (goodness knows i have a lot to learn) and also a chance to > teach as well, and well it just sounds like gosh darn fun!!! > Shabbat Shalom, > Tammy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net > To: Dialogue > Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 4:48 pm > Subject: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas > > (For those on the UIWU list, sorry for the duplication) > > Hey all, > > One of the things the LA contingent did to stay awake on the way home from > the conference this week was toss around ideas to maximize the impact of the > Succoth celebration we are hosting in October of this year. Our fearless > leader, Ross (I know he'll get on me for saying that ;-{)}) came up with the > idea of each paricipant (and thier family) chosing a tribe to belong to for > the duration of thier stay (Judah, Levi, Ephraim, etc.). This developed > into what amounts to a kind of "immersion" experience in which folks could > not only belong to a tribe but that tribe would use thier talents to support > and teach the whole "nation" of Israel at the feast. For instance, the > tribe of Levi could do the cooking, Cohens could play music, others could > tie Tzit-Tzit or make menorahs or whatever we want. We would have "booths" > to house each artisan as well. > > I told the group I would send this out to see what ideas and response we > would get from everyone. Our intention is to place a sign-up sheet on the > ROF website in the near future for folks to register thier ideas and tribe > affiliations. > > So let us know what y'all think and we'll try to make this a Succoth to > remember. > -- > John C. > > "Be excellent to each other!" > Bill and Ted > > _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ > Get the MapQuest Toolbar, > Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/2a1e51c2/attachment.html From puddlefrog at aol.com Fri Apr 18 19:36:22 2008 From: puddlefrog at aol.com (puddlefrog at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:36:22 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas In-Reply-To: References: <041820082048.21624.48090933000F3F750000547822230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> <8CA6FCB54C049B1-1544-1FE6@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA6FCC86639D7E-1544-202D@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> Amber you will have to teach me how to make the Tzit-Tzit. I would totally love that. -----Original Message----- From: chris fordham To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 8:33 pm Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas Yes!? How great for the kids to learn also!? We know how to make two styles of Zhit Zhit!? Chris and Amber On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:27 PM, wrote: John, I think thats a wonderful idea!!!! It sounds like a wonderful way to learn about the tribes (goodness knows i have a lot to learn) and also a chance to teach as well, and well it just sounds like gosh darn fun!!! Shabbat Shalom, Tammy -----Original Message----- From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net To: Dialogue Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 4:48 pm Subject: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas (For those on the UIWU list, sorry for the duplication)? ? Hey all, ? One of the things the LA contingent did to stay awake on the way home from the conference this week was toss around ideas to maximize the impact of the Succoth celebration we are hosting in October of this year.? Our fearless leader, Ross (I know he'll get on me for saying that ;-{)}) came up with the idea of each paricipant (and thier family) chosing a tribe to belong to for the duration of thier stay (Judah, Levi, Ephraim, etc.).? This developed into what amounts to a kind of "immersion" experience in which folks could not only belong to a tribe but that tribe would use thier talents to support and teach the whole "nation" of Israel at the feast.? For instance, the tribe of Levi could do the cooking, Cohens could play music, others could tie Tzit-Tzit or make menorahs or whatever we want.? We would have?"booths" to house each artisan as well. ? I told the group I would send this out to see what ideas and response we would get from everyone.? Our intention is to place a sign-up sheet on the ROF website in the near future for folks to register thier ideas and tribe affiliations. ? So let us know what y'all think and we'll try to make this a Succoth to remember. -- John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted _______________________________________________ Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/abc0f7bf/attachment.html From dantabor at yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 19:31:48 2008 From: dantabor at yahoo.com (Dan Tabor) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas In-Reply-To: <041820082048.21624.48090933000F3F750000547822230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <118707.94808.qm@web45910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> * * * This sounds awesome!!! We should segregate camps also and have flags representing each tribe, but ofcourse unite as one throughout. As long as my radical butt is tossed in with The Ephramites to construct swords, I am happy. LOL!-but serious! Dan carlson_john at bellsouth.net wrote: (For those on the UIWU list, sorry for the duplication) Hey all, One of the things the LA contingent did to stay awake on the way home from the conference this week was toss around ideas to maximize the impact of the Succoth celebration we are hosting in October of this year. Our fearless leader, Ross (I know he'll get on me for saying that ;-{)}) came up with the idea of each paricipant (and thier family) chosing a tribe to belong to for the duration of thier stay (Judah, Levi, Ephraim, etc.). This developed into what amounts to a kind of "immersion" experience in which folks could not only belong to a tribe but that tribe would use thier talents to support and teach the whole "nation" of Israel at the feast. For instance, the tribe of Levi could do the cooking, Cohens could play music, others could tie Tzit-Tzit or make menorahs or whatever we want. We would have "booths" to house each artisan as well. I told the group I would send this out to see what ideas and response we would get from everyone. Our intention is to place a sign-up sheet on the ROF website in the near future for folks to register thier ideas and tribe affiliations. So let us know what y'all think and we'll try to make this a Succoth to remember. -- John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted _______________________________________________ --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/a8b16ee6/attachment.html From dantabor at yahoo.com Fri Apr 18 19:43:11 2008 From: dantabor at yahoo.com (Dan Tabor) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] FW: EARTH AT NIGHT (UNCLASSIFIED) Message-ID: <90838.5140.qm@web45910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I think what startled me the most as far as an immediate pondering was the overlook of Iceland and realizing man has survived there centuries ago and increased. But I bet they still get some terrific star-lit nights!!! Dan --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/ac985574/attachment.html From RNDAVAR at aol.com Fri Apr 18 20:23:52 2008 From: RNDAVAR at aol.com (RNDAVAR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:23:52 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] The Night of his betrayal Message-ID: I wanted to send this note out to the list as a reminder that tonight (Nissan 13 on the Hebrew Calendar), marks the date on which Yeshua was betrayed. In the first century, according to our best research, this date occurred on a Wednesday. While much of the world recently celebrated the pagan holiday of Easter, biblically minded souls around the globe are being called back to the Ancient customs of the Hebrew people - among these - the Festivals of the LORD (Leviticus 23). For several years now, in the solitude of my home I have thought on the events of that fateful night in Jerusalem nearly 2,000 years ago. Tonight will be the same. I plan to read and study to the flickering light of my Sabbath candles as I contemplate the message of the one who sought to bring about the realization of the Kingdom of God on earth. I want to perpetuate this message of God, Torah Faith and Israel to the world. Many people believe that the "Last supper" was actually a Passover seder, but I believe that Yeshua's final meal took place the night prior to the beginning of Passover. There is textual evidence for this in the gospels if one truly studies the matter. My reading of these texts indicates that Yeshua truly wanted to participate in the seder with his closest family and friends, but this was not to be. Yeshua would be killed "between the evenings" on the 14th of Nissan. The Passover seder was to take place the evening of the 14th, but Yeshua was already dead. So, in honor of the one whose words led me to the path of righteousness, I will pause and consider the mighty work that was before him and now is before us. The world, it seems is hopelessly lost in paganism. The masses have run head first into idolatry with recklessness and most have traded the message of Yeshua for a watered down and corrupted message about him. My prayer to all of you is that we go forth into all the world and make disciples of Torah Faith. This is the message that I preach and yes, it is in his name. Shabbat shalom and chag sameach! Ross Ross K. Nichols _www.RootsofFaith.org_ (http://www.rootsoffaith.org/) **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/1ce832da/attachment.html From rebuntyn at aol.com Fri Apr 18 20:23:56 2008 From: rebuntyn at aol.com (rebuntyn at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] New blog article Message-ID: <8CA6FD32BCBE258-818-2297@WEBMAIL-MA06.sysops.aol.com> Dear all, it has been my privilege to put together a series of articles that deal with little known and ill forgotten aspects of our Hebrew American Heritage. Hebraic thought played a deep and fundamental role in the shaping of America's great experiment. Some will remember past presentations on the subject in Charlotte and St. Francisville. On this Pesach Eve, I have just posted a new message on our UIWU blog entitled "Passover Reflections". It celebrates the role of Passover in the expression of?civil and religious liberty in America, a precious gift none should ever take for granted. Past articles?on the subject can be seen on the UI blog. I hope you will enjoy reading the latest. Happy Passover! Ralph B.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/c631fbba/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 20:37:17 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:37:17 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas In-Reply-To: <8CA6FCC86639D7E-1544-202D@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> References: <041820082048.21624.48090933000F3F750000547822230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> <8CA6FCB54C049B1-1544-1FE6@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> <8CA6FCC86639D7E-1544-202D@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Tammy: Absolutely!!!! It's not hard at all! We'll see you very soon! Chag Sameach! Amber On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:36 PM, wrote: > Amber you will have to teach me how to make the Tzit-Tzit. I would totally > love that. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: chris fordham > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 8:33 pm > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas > > Yes! How great for the kids to learn also! We know how to make two > styles of Zhit Zhit! Chris and Amber > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:27 PM, wrote: > > > John, > > I think thats a wonderful idea!!!! It sounds like a wonderful way to > > learn about the tribes (goodness knows i have a lot to learn) and also a > > chance to teach as well, and well it just sounds like gosh darn fun!!! > > Shabbat Shalom, > > Tammy > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net > > To: Dialogue > > Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 4:48 pm > > Subject: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas > > > > (For those on the UIWU list, sorry for the duplication) > > > > Hey all, > > > > One of the things the LA contingent did to stay awake on the way home > > from the conference this week was toss around ideas to maximize the impact > > of the Succoth celebration we are hosting in October of this year. Our > > fearless leader, Ross (I know he'll get on me for saying that ;-{)}) came up > > with the idea of each paricipant (and thier family) chosing a tribe to > > belong to for the duration of thier stay (Judah, Levi, Ephraim, etc.). This > > developed into what amounts to a kind of "immersion" experience in which > > folks could not only belong to a tribe but that tribe would use thier > > talents to support and teach the whole "nation" of Israel at the feast. For > > instance, the tribe of Levi could do the cooking, Cohens could play music, > > others could tie Tzit-Tzit or make menorahs or whatever we want. We would > > have "booths" to house each artisan as well. > > > > I told the group I would send this out to see what ideas and response we > > would get from everyone. Our intention is to place a sign-up sheet on the > > ROF website in the near future for folks to register thier ideas and tribe > > affiliations. > > > > So let us know what y'all think and we'll try to make this a Succoth to > > remember. > > -- > > John C. > > > > "Be excellent to each other!" > > Bill and Ted > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Get the MapQuest Toolbar, > > Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ > Get the MapQuest Toolbar, > Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/0e45d08f/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 18 20:38:33 2008 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:38:33 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] The Night of his betrayal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <041920080138.15799.48094D17000340E500003DB722230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Amein Ross. -- John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from RNDAVAR at aol.com: -------------- I wanted to send this note out to the list as a reminder that tonight (Nissan 13 on the Hebrew Calendar), marks the date on which Yeshua was betrayed. In the first century, according to our best research, this date occurred on a Wednesday. While much of the world recently celebrated the pagan holiday of Easter, biblically minded souls around the globe are being called back to the Ancient customs of the Hebrew people - among these - the Festivals of the LORD (Leviticus 23). For several years now, in the solitude of my home I have thought on the events of that fateful night in Jerusalem nearly 2,000 years ago. Tonight will be the same. I plan to read and study to the flickering light of my Sabbath candles as I contemplate the message of the one who sought to bring about the realization of the Kingdom of God on earth. I want to perpetuate this message of God, Torah Faith and Israel to the world. Many people believe that the "Last supper" was actually a Passover seder, but I believe that Yeshua's final meal took place the night prior to the beginning of Passover. There is textual evidence for this in the gospels if one truly studies the matter. My reading of these texts indicates that Yeshua truly wanted to participate in the seder with his closest family and friends, but this was not to be. Yeshua would be killed "between the evenings" on the 14th of Nissan. The Passover seder was to take place the evening of the 14th, but Yeshua was already dead. So, in honor of the one whose words led me to the path of righteousness, I will pause and consider the mighty work that was before him and now is before us. The world, it seems is hopelessly lost in paganism. The masses have run head first into idolatry with recklessness and most have traded the message of Yeshua for a watered down and corrupted message about him. My prayer to all of you is that we go forth into all the world and make disciples of Torah Faith. This is the message that I preach and yes, it is in his name. Shabbat shalom and chag sameach! Ross Ross K. Nichols www.RootsofFaith.org Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/25ae8c3b/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 18 20:53:52 2008 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:53:52 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] FW: EARTH AT NIGHT (UNCLASSIFIED) In-Reply-To: References: <041820082105.26665.48090D3100049D7A0000682922230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <041920080153.23809.480950AA0008B7DF00005D0122230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> You're welcome Chris. Chag Sameach and Shabbat Shalom. -- John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from "chris fordham" : -------------- Thanks John! Since we homeschool; these are great for our children! Chag Sameach! Chris Fordham On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:05 PM, wrote: These are beautiful. Remember, if you respond to this please cut out the attachment so we don't overload the server. Thanks. -- John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "AMEDEE, SUSAN W" To: "HOWARD, PHYLLIS C" , "FERGUSON, STEPHANIE L" , "STEWART, MARY L" , "TURNER, HELEN M" , "ERNEST, REGINA R" , "MAHER, KATHY COURTNEY" , "WILLIAMS, GENIA G" , "WILLIAMS, MARGARET W" , "PADGETT, CONSTANCE M" , "HAMILTON, ELAINE" , "Tiffany VanNorman" , "KELLY FOSTER" , "karen clark" , "ANGIE" , "bonnie schindler" , "Angela Schindler" , "Stephanie Ferguson" &l t;steffergie at yahoo.com>, , "DAUTEL, LAWRENCE H" , "david lea" , , , , , , , "ELLE N RYAN WARNER" , Subject: EARTH AT NIGHT (UNCLASSIFIED) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:25:52 +0000 ----- Forwarded by Sherry V Metrejean/Distributors/Cummins on 04/16/2008 10:57 AM ----- Craig Landry/Distributors/Cummins 04/16/2008 09:42 AM ToTy D Ashley/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Barry Lasseigne/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Sherry V Metrejean/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Crystal Bowser/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Pat Cavalier/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Kyle Clouse/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, James Woodard/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Wade A Woodard/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Nelson E Marney/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins, Eric Webre/Distributors/Cummins at Cummins cc SubjectFw: [FW]Fwd: EARTH AT NIGHT (UNCLASSIFIED) You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/77a7b5be/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 21:45:57 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:45:57 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] The Night of his betrayal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Terrific, Ross! Thank you so much for this. ~ Pat From: RNDAVAR at aol.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:23 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org ; kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com Subject: [Dialogue] The Night of his betrayal I wanted to send this note out to the list as a reminder that tonight (Nissan 13 on the Hebrew Calendar), marks the date on which Yeshua was betrayed. In the first century, according to our best research, this date occurred on a Wednesday. While much of the world recently celebrated the pagan holiday of Easter, biblically minded souls around the globe are being called back to the Ancient customs of the Hebrew people - among these - the Festivals of the LORD (Leviticus 23). For several years now, in the solitude of my home I have thought on the events of that fateful night in Jerusalem nearly 2,000 years ago. Tonight will be the same. I plan to read and study to the flickering light of my Sabbath candles as I contemplate the message of the one who sought to bring about the realization of the Kingdom of God on earth. I want to perpetuate this message of God, Torah Faith and Israel to the world. Many people believe that the "Last supper" was actually a Passover seder, but I believe that Yeshua's final meal took place the night prior to the beginning of Passover. There is textual evidence for this in the gospels if one truly studies the matter. My reading of these texts indicates that Yeshua truly wanted to participate in the seder with his closest family and friends, but this was not to be. Yeshua would be killed "between the evenings" on the 14th of Nissan. The Passover seder was to take place the evening of the 14th, but Yeshua was already dead. So, in honor of the one whose words led me to the path of righteousness, I will pause and consider the mighty work that was before him and now is before us. The world, it seems is hopelessly lost in paganism. The masses have run head first into idolatry with recklessness and most have traded the message of Yeshua for a watered down and corrupted message about him. My prayer to all of you is that we go forth into all the world and make disciples of Torah Faith. This is the message that I preach and yes, it is in his name. Shabbat shalom and chag sameach! Ross Ross K. Nichols www.RootsofFaith.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/3161910b/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 21:56:08 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:56:08 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Fwd: More Verses! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So fabulous!!! Have you ever seen the Ezekiel Sticks that Tom Turner makes? There are photos of them on Yair Davidiy's website, www.brit-am.org They are absolutely amazing! From: chris fordham Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:56 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Fwd: More Verses! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: chris fordham Date: Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:55 PM Subject: More Verses! To: Chris and Amber a.. Ezekiel 37:9 "He then said to me, "Prophesy to the spirit, prophesy, son of man, and you shall say to the spirit, 'Thus said the Master ????, "Come from the four winds, O spirit, and breathe on these slain, so that they live." ' " a.. Ezekiel 37:10 "And I prophesied as He commanded me, and the spirit came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, a very great army." a.. Ezekiel 37:11 "And He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are all the House of Israel. See, they say, 'Our bones are dry, our expectancy has perished, and we ourselves have been cut off!'" a.. Ezekiel 37:12 "Therefore prophesy, and you shall say to them, 'Thus said the Master ????, "See, O My people, I am opening your graves, and shall bring you up from your graves, and shall bring you into the land of Israel." a.. Ezekiel 37:13 "And you shall know that I am ????, when I open your graves, O My people, and bring you up from your graves." a.. Ezekiel 37:14 "And I shall put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I shall settle you in your own land. And you shall know that I ???? have spoken, and I have done it," declares ????.'" a.. Ezekiel 37:15 "And the word of ???? came to me, saying," a.. Ezekiel 37:16 "And you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it, 'For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions.' Then take another stick and write on it, 'For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the House of Israel, his companions.'" a.. Ezekiel 37:17 "Then bring them together for yourself into one stick, and they shall become one in your hand." a.. Ezekiel 37:18 "And when the children of your people speak to you, saying, 'Won't you show us what you mean by these?'" a.. Ezekiel 37:19 "say to them, 'Thus said the Master ????, "See, I am taking the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions. And I shall give them unto him, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick," and they shall be one in My hand." '" a.. Ezekiel 37:20 "And the sticks on which you write shall be in your hand before their eyes." a.. Ezekiel 37:21 "And speak to them, 'Thus said the Master ????, "See, I am taking the children of Israel from among the gentiles, wherever they have gone, and shall gather them from all around, and I shall bring them into their land." a.. Ezekiel 37:22 "And I shall make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. And one sovereign shall be sovereign over them all, and let them no longer be two nations, and let them no longer be divided into two reigns." a.. Ezekiel 37:23 "And they shall no longer defile themselves with their idols, nor with their disgusting matters, nor with any of their transgressions. And I shall save them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and I shall cleanse them. And they shall be My people, and I be their Elohim," a.. Ezekiel 37:24 "while David My servant is sovereign over them. And they shall all have one shepherd and walk in My right-rulings and guard My laws, and shall do them." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080418/8c7168a0/attachment.html From RNDAVAR at aol.com Fri Apr 18 23:50:27 2008 From: RNDAVAR at aol.com (RNDAVAR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:50:27 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story Message-ID: I am certain that within our diverse group there will be multiple "versions" of the Passover. I wanted to send this out tonight for those that have never "kept" this festival before. Here are some basic things that you need to know. First, if the sky is clear where you are, I want you to go outside and look up. See the moon? This is the way it looked when our ancestors left Egypt! The full moon gave them light on this night that began with a nation of slaves and ended with a people free to "serve" their God. So you too can experience this freedom. Passover is about experiencing the past and future as well. It is about redemption and freedom. The Prophet Jeremiah says that another Exodus is coming for the people of God...an even greater exodus than the one we read about tonight! (see Jeremiah 16:14-15) I am writing for you a series of verses that you can use as your very own Passover Haggadah. Haggadah comes from a Hebrew word that means to tell. Exodus 10:12, Exodus 12:24-27 and Deuteronomy 6:20-25 are the basis for "telling the story". I encourage all of you to participate in this as it is perhaps the oldest religious practice that has been kept from the beginning of the history of Israel. So tell the story tomorrow night to your family! If you are alone, read it to yourself. It is an incredible story and one that God tells us to tell! Read the following: The reason we tell the story Deuteronomy 6:20-25 Exodus 10:12 Exodus 12:24-27 The Prediction and fulfillment of the Slavery and cruelness of Egypt Genesis 15:13-14 Exodus 1:8-22 The birth of Moses to his flight to Midian Exodus 2:1-22 A cry to God and the call of Moses Exodus 2:23-3:22 The son of God / God's charge to Moses Exodus 4:21-23 Meeting with Pharaoh Exodus 5:1-23 Exodus 6:1-13 The beginning of the redemption Exodus 6:28-7:13 The Plagues and Israel's Departure from Egypt Exodus 7:14-12:36 Salvation In the Wilderness Exodus 12:37-14:31 Other passages related to Passover Deuteronomy 16:1-8 Leviticus 23:3-8 One should eat unleavened bread from sundown tomorrow for 7 days. This bread is also known as bread of affliction (Deuteronomy 16:3). Eat some bitter herbs as well (Exodus 12:8). Only those that are circumcised may eat the meal. Be circumcised of heart (Deuteronomy 10:12-16, 30:1-6, Jeremiah 4:1-4) I pray that every shackle will be broken from your life so that you are free to serve the Living God. Shalom and Chag Sameach! Ross K. Nichols _www.RootsofFaith.org_ (http://www.rootsoffaith.org/) **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/c9ed6fdf/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Sat Apr 19 07:28:24 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:28:24 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Ross. You've given us a wealth of information here to make this Passover more meaningful than ever. What a wonderful gift! May the L-RD bless you abundantly, and keep all you wonderful folks in the LA Contingent safely under His wings! ~ Pat From: RNDAVAR at aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:50 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org ; kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story I am certain that within our diverse group there will be multiple "versions" of the Passover. I wanted to send this out tonight for those that have never "kept" this festival before. Here are some basic things that you need to know. First, if the sky is clear where you are, I want you to go outside and look up. See the moon? This is the way it looked when our ancestors left Egypt! The full moon gave them light on this night that began with a nation of slaves and ended with a people free to "serve" their God. So you too can experience this freedom. Passover is about experiencing the past and future as well. It is about redemption and freedom. The Prophet Jeremiah says that another Exodus is coming for the people of God...an even greater exodus than the one we read about tonight! (see Jeremiah 16:14-15) I am writing for you a series of verses that you can use as your very own Passover Haggadah. Haggadah comes from a Hebrew word that means to tell. Exodus 10:12, Exodus 12:24-27 and Deuteronomy 6:20-25 are the basis for "telling the story". I encourage all of you to participate in this as it is perhaps the oldest religious practice that has been kept from the beginning of the history of Israel. So tell the story tomorrow night to your family! If you are alone, read it to yourself. It is an incredible story and one that God tells us to tell! Read the following: The reason we tell the story Deuteronomy 6:20-25 Exodus 10:12 Exodus 12:24-27 The Prediction and fulfillment of the Slavery and cruelness of Egypt Genesis 15:13-14 Exodus 1:8-22 The birth of Moses to his flight to Midian Exodus 2:1-22 A cry to God and the call of Moses Exodus 2:23-3:22 The son of God / God's charge to Moses Exodus 4:21-23 Meeting with Pharaoh Exodus 5:1-23 Exodus 6:1-13 The beginning of the redemption Exodus 6:28-7:13 The Plagues and Israel's Departure from Egypt Exodus 7:14-12:36 Salvation In the Wilderness Exodus 12:37-14:31 Other passages related to Passover Deuteronomy 16:1-8 Leviticus 23:3-8 One should eat unleavened bread from sundown tomorrow for 7 days. This bread is also known as bread of affliction (Deuteronomy 16:3). Eat some bitter herbs as well (Exodus 12:8). Only those that are circumcised may eat the meal. Be circumcised of heart (Deuteronomy 10:12-16, 30:1-6, Jeremiah 4:1-4) I pray that every shackle will be broken from your life so that you are free to serve the Living God. Shalom and Chag Sameach! Ross K. Nichols www.RootsofFaith.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/0a961388/attachment.html From rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 19 08:24:32 2008 From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net (Rudolph Ricciardi) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] The Night of his betrayal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <929376.74774.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Dear Ross, My sentiments exactly. I tell my Christian friends and relatives that I believe in Jesus and what he stands for, and that I am more "kin" to him than they are. Their message and "supposed" relationship is shallow and distorted. But we now know that we follow in his footsteps to want salvation for the world through KNOWLEDGE of our Father, the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Torah and Israel, making disciples of this Faith. Be blessed in your work as you are a blessing to many, soon to be multitudes. Shabbat Shalom and Chag Sameach to you and yours, Rudy sends his love, Linda/Hadassah RNDAVAR at aol.com wrote: I wanted to send this note out to the list as a reminder that tonight (Nissan 13 on the Hebrew Calendar), marks the date on which Yeshua was betrayed. In the first century, according to our best research, this date occurred on a Wednesday. While much of the world recently celebrated the pagan holiday of Easter, biblically minded souls around the globe are being called back to the Ancient customs of the Hebrew people - among these - the Festivals of the LORD (Leviticus 23). For several years now, in the solitude of my home I have thought on the events of that fateful night in Jerusalem nearly 2,000 years ago. Tonight will be the same. I plan to read and study to the flickering light of my Sabbath candles as I contemplate the message of the one who sought to bring about the realization of the Kingdom of God on earth. I want to perpetuate this message of God, Torah Faith and Israel to the world. Many people believe that the "Last supper" was actually a Passover seder, but I believe that Yeshua's final meal took place the night prior to the beginning of Passover. There is textual evidence for this in the gospels if one truly studies the matter. My reading of these texts indicates that Yeshua truly wanted to participate in the seder with his closest family and friends, but this was not to be. Yeshua would be killed "between the evenings" on the 14th of Nissan. The Passover seder was to take place the evening of the 14th, but Yeshua was already dead. So, in honor of the one whose words led me to the path of righteousness, I will pause and consider the mighty work that was before him and now is before us. The world, it seems is hopelessly lost in paganism. The masses have run head first into idolatry with recklessness and most have traded the message of Yeshua for a watered down and corrupted message about him. My prayer to all of you is that we go forth into all the world and make disciples of Torah Faith. This is the message that I preach and yes, it is in his name. Shabbat shalom and chag sameach! Ross Ross K. Nichols www.RootsofFaith.org --------------------------------- Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. _______________________________________________ Shalom to all! Linda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/a6964e41/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Sat Apr 19 08:27:03 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:27:03 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Fwd: More Verses! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have now! Thank you for sending that! We love new websites and links! Keep em' coming! Which one is Tom Turner? Also, do you remember one of the guys names who was singing that called us the Hilbilly bunch!? The Fordhams On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Pat Robbins wrote: > So fabulous!!! Have you ever seen the Ezekiel Sticks that Tom Turner > makes? There are photos of them on Yair Davidiy's website, > www.brit-am.org They are absolutely amazing! > > *From:* chris fordham > *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2008 7:56 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* [Dialogue] Fwd: More Verses! > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: chris fordham > Date: Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:55 PM > Subject: More Verses! > To: Chris and Amber > > > Ezekiel 37:9"He then said to me, "Prophesy to the spirit, prophesy, son of man, and you > shall say to the spirit, 'Thus said the Master *????*, "Come from the four > winds, O spirit, and breathe on these slain, so that they live." ' " > Ezekiel 37:10"And I prophesied as He commanded me, and the spirit came into them, and > they lived, and stood upon their feet, a very great army." > Ezekiel 37:11"And He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are all the House of Israel. > See, they say, 'Our bones are dry, our expectancy has perished, and we > ourselves have been cut off!'" > Ezekiel 37:12"Therefore prophesy, and you shall say to them, 'Thus said the Master > *????*, "See, O My people, I am opening your graves, and shall bring you > up from your graves, and shall bring you into the land of Israel." > Ezekiel 37:13"And you shall know that I am > *????*, when I open your graves, O My people, and bring you up from your > graves." > Ezekiel 37:14"And I shall put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I shall settle > you in your own land. And you shall know that I *????* have spoken, and I > have done it," declares *????*.'" > Ezekiel 37:15"And the word of > *????* came to me, saying," > Ezekiel 37:16"And you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it, 'For Judah > and for the children of Israel, his companions.' Then take another stick and > write on it, 'For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the House of > Israel, his companions.'" > Ezekiel 37:17"Then bring them together for yourself into one stick, and they shall become > one in your hand." > Ezekiel 37:18"And when the children of your people speak to you, saying, 'Won't you show > us what you mean by these?'" > Ezekiel 37:19"say to them, 'Thus said the Master > *????*, "See, I am taking the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of > Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions. And I shall give them > unto him, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick," and they shall > be one in My hand." '" > Ezekiel 37:20"And the sticks on which you write shall be in your hand before their eyes." > > Ezekiel 37:21"And speak to them, 'Thus said the Master > *????*, "See, I am taking the children of Israel from among the gentiles, > wherever they have gone, and shall gather them from all around, and I shall > bring them into their land." > Ezekiel 37:22"And I shall make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. > And one sovereign shall be sovereign over them all, and let them no longer > be two nations, and let them no longer be divided into two reigns." > Ezekiel 37:23"And they shall no longer defile themselves with their idols, nor with their > disgusting matters, nor with any of their transgressions. And I shall save > them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and I shall > cleanse them. And they shall be My people, and I be their Elohim," > Ezekiel 37:24"while David My servant is sovereign over them. And they shall all have one > shepherd and walk in My right-rulings and guard My laws, and shall do them." > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/8cdca9ff/attachment.html From dantabor at yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 08:39:24 2008 From: dantabor at yahoo.com (Dan Tabor) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] The Night of his betrayal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <239741.88432.qm@web45904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> * I love this! Something I didn't know beforehand. Makes me realize just how different Calendars and 'religious customs' & Hebraic observations differ. I too have thought many times in solitude regarding Yeshua and his impact in my life when first studying the Gospels independantly and with a seeking heart when I was 22 yrs old. -And although I personally feel Mel Gibson's 'Passion' film and alot of other modern day accepted Christian teachings/media have more holes than a 100 pound block of homemade Amish swiss cheese from Pennsylvania, this is truely interesting information to ponder. Dan RNDAVAR at aol.com wrote: I wanted to send this note out to the list as a reminder that tonight (Nissan 13 on the Hebrew Calendar), marks the date on which Yeshua was betrayed. In the first century, according to our best research, this date occurred on a Wednesday. While much of the world recently celebrated the pagan holiday of Easter, biblically minded souls around the globe are being called back to the Ancient customs of the Hebrew people - among these - the Festivals of the LORD (Leviticus 23). For several years now, in the solitude of my home I have thought on the events of that fateful night in Jerusalem nearly 2,000 years ago. Tonight will be the same. I plan to read and study to the flickering light of my Sabbath candles as I contemplate the message of the one who sought to bring about the realization of the Kingdom of God on earth. I want to perpetuate this message of God, Torah Faith and Israel to the world. Many people believe that the "Last supper" was actually a Passover seder, but I believe that Yeshua's final meal took place the night prior to the beginning of Passover. There is textual evidence for this in the gospels if one truly studies the matter. My reading of these texts indicates that Yeshua truly wanted to participate in the seder with his closest family and friends, but this was not to be. Yeshua would be killed "between the evenings" on the 14th of Nissan. The Passover seder was to take place the evening of the 14th, but Yeshua was already dead. So, in honor of the one whose words led me to the path of righteousness, I will pause and consider the mighty work that was before him and now is before us. The world, it seems is hopelessly lost in paganism. The masses have run head first into idolatry with recklessness and most have traded the message of Yeshua for a watered down and corrupted message about him. My prayer to all of you is that we go forth into all the world and make disciples of Torah Faith. This is the message that I preach and yes, it is in his name. Shabbat shalom and chag sameach! Ross Ross K. Nichols www.RootsofFaith.org --------------------------------- Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. _______________________________________________ --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/9419596d/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Sat Apr 19 08:52:34 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:52:34 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Fwd: More Verses! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When you go to the www.britam.org site, and click on the Ezekiel Sticks, go to "Photo #6" and you'll see a picture of Tom with his address. I bought one of his gorgeous sticks a couple of years ago. It's a magnificent witnessing tool. Have you not heard of Yair Davidiy? He is a wonderful teacher. He's an Orthodox Jew, living in Jerusalem, born in Australia, who has devoted his life to reaching the Lost Tribes. I would highly recommend signing up for his email newletters. He's doing a wonderful work for the Tribes - very unusual for an Orthodox Jew! Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:27:03 -0400From: calbfordham at gmail.comTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgSubject: Re: [Dialogue] Fwd: More Verses!We have now! Thank you for sending that! We love new websites and links! Keep em' coming! Which one is Tom Turner? Also, do you remember one of the guys names who was singing that called us the Hilbilly bunch!? The Fordhams On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Pat Robbins wrote: So fabulous!!! Have you ever seen the Ezekiel Sticks that Tom Turner makes? There are photos of them on Yair Davidiy's website, www.brit-am.org They are absolutely amazing! From: chris fordham Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:56 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Fwd: More Verses! ---------- Forwarded message ----------From: chris fordham Date: Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:55 PMSubject: More Verses!To: Chris and Amber Ezekiel 37:9 "He then said to me, "Prophesy to the spirit, prophesy, son of man, and you shall say to the spirit, 'Thus said the Master ????, "Come from the four winds, O spirit, and breathe on these slain, so that they live." ' " Ezekiel 37:10 "And I prophesied as He commanded me, and the spirit came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, a very great army." Ezekiel 37:11 "And He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are all the House of Israel. See, they say, 'Our bones are dry, our expectancy has perished, and we ourselves have been cut off!'" Ezekiel 37:12 "Therefore prophesy, and you shall say to them, 'Thus said the Master ????, "See, O My people, I am opening your graves, and shall bring you up from your graves, and shall bring you into the land of Israel." Ezekiel 37:13 "And you shall know that I am ????, when I open your graves, O My people, and bring you up from your graves." Ezekiel 37:14 "And I shall put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I shall settle you in your own land. And you shall know that I ???? have spoken, and I have done it," declares ????.'" Ezekiel 37:15 "And the word of ???? came to me, saying," Ezekiel 37:16 "And you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it, 'For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions.' Then take another stick and write on it, 'For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the House of Israel, his companions.'" Ezekiel 37:17 "Then bring them together for yourself into one stick, and they shall become one in your hand." Ezekiel 37:18 "And when the children of your people speak to you, saying, 'Won't you show us what you mean by these?'" Ezekiel 37:19 "say to them, 'Thus said the Master ????, "See, I am taking the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions. And I shall give them unto him, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick," and they shall be one in My hand." '" Ezekiel 37:20 "And the sticks on which you write shall be in your hand before their eyes." Ezekiel 37:21 "And speak to them, 'Thus said the Master ????, "See, I am taking the children of Israel from among the gentiles, wherever they have gone, and shall gather them from all around, and I shall bring them into their land." Ezekiel 37:22 "And I shall make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. And one sovereign shall be sovereign over them all, and let them no longer be two nations, and let them no longer be divided into two reigns." Ezekiel 37:23 "And they shall no longer defile themselves with their idols, nor with their disgusting matters, nor with any of their transgressions. And I shall save them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and I shall cleanse them. And they shall be My people, and I be their Elohim," Ezekiel 37:24 "while David My servant is sovereign over them. And they shall all have one shepherd and walk in My right-rulings and guard My laws, and shall do them." _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/76746713/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sat Apr 19 09:56:06 2008 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:56:06 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ross, Thanks for much for this, it is really helpful. I was just noticing in Genesis 19 that Abraham served his special surprise guests "matzo" and made a feast...We know it was the "Spring" of the year, and Isaac was born one year later. That same time the cities of the Valley were destroyed and the Lot and his family were urged--Get out! I think this is a kind of "Passover" before Passover, if you know what I mean... Chag Sameach, James On Apr 19, 2008, at 12:50 AM, rndavar at aol.com wrote: > I am certain that within our diverse group there will be multiple > "versions" of the Passover. I wanted to send this out tonight for > those that have never "kept" this festival before. Here are some > basic things that you need to know. > > First, if the sky is clear where you are, I want you to go outside > and look up. See the moon? This is the way it looked when our > ancestors left Egypt! The full moon gave them light on this night > that began with a nation of slaves and ended with a people free to > "serve" their God. So you too can experience this freedom. > > Passover is about experiencing the past and future as well. It is > about redemption and freedom. The Prophet Jeremiah says that another > Exodus is coming for the people of God...an even greater exodus than > the one we read about tonight! (see Jeremiah 16:14-15) > > I am writing for you a series of verses that you can use as your > very own Passover Haggadah. Haggadah comes from a Hebrew word that > means to tell. Exodus 10:12, Exodus 12:24-27 and Deuteronomy > 6:20-25 are the basis for "telling the story". I encourage all of > you to participate in this as it is perhaps the oldest religious > practice that has been kept from the beginning of the history of > Israel. So tell the story tomorrow night to your family! If you are > alone, read it to yourself. It is an incredible story and one that > God tells us to tell! > > Read the following: > > The reason we tell the story > > Deuteronomy 6:20-25 > Exodus 10:12 > Exodus 12:24-27 > > The Prediction and fulfillment of the Slavery and cruelness of Egypt > > Genesis 15:13-14 > Exodus 1:8-22 > > The birth of Moses to his flight to Midian > Exodus 2:1-22 > > A cry to God and the call of Moses > Exodus 2:23-3:22 > > The son of God / God's charge to Moses > Exodus 4:21-23 > > Meeting with Pharaoh > Exodus 5:1-23 > Exodus 6:1-13 > > The beginning of the redemption > Exodus 6:28-7:13 > > The Plagues and Israel's Departure from Egypt > Exodus 7:14-12:36 > > Salvation In the Wilderness > Exodus 12:37-14:31 > > Other passages related to Passover > Deuteronomy 16:1-8 > Leviticus 23:3-8 > > One should eat unleavened bread from sundown tomorrow for 7 days. > This bread is also known as bread of affliction (Deuteronomy 16:3). > > Eat some bitter herbs as well (Exodus 12:8). > > Only those that are circumcised may eat the meal. Be circumcised of > heart (Deuteronomy 10:12-16, 30:1-6, Jeremiah 4:1-4) > > I pray that every shackle will be broken from your life so that you > are free to serve the Living God. > > Shalom and Chag Sameach! > > Ross K. Nichols > www.RootsofFaith.org > > > > > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/104fb170/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sat Apr 19 09:59:42 2008 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:59:42 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] The Night of his betrayal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ross, As you know I have held this view for several years and put it into my book, The Jesus Dynasty, and there is a chart and full discussion there. I recently put up more evidence of this on my Blog, with the astronomical evidence, if you missed that: http://www.jesusdynasty.com/blog/2008/04/03/jesus-was-crucified-1978-years-ago-today/ I was, of course, talking about the Gregorian dates, since the Lunar dates slide around year to year. I think it is most significant that Paul referred to "the night on which he was betrayed," NOT Passover. Try to imagine that Passover, that Yeshua "earnestly desired to eat" with his family and followers, but will not it it "again" until the Kingdom...What was it like that night, at their Seder, with his body in that temporary tomb, hastily put...and left over this Shabbat. James On Apr 18, 2008, at 9:23 PM, rndavar at aol.com wrote: > I wanted to send this note out to the list as a reminder that > tonight (Nissan 13 on the Hebrew Calendar), marks the date on which > Yeshua was betrayed. In the first century, according to our best > research, this date occurred on a Wednesday. > > While much of the world recently celebrated the pagan holiday of > Easter, biblically minded souls around the globe are being called > back to the Ancient customs of the Hebrew people - among these - the > Festivals of the LORD (Leviticus 23). > > For several years now, in the solitude of my home I have thought on > the events of that fateful night in Jerusalem nearly 2,000 years > ago. Tonight will be the same. I plan to read and study to the > flickering light of my Sabbath candles as I contemplate the message > of the one who sought to bring about the realization of the Kingdom > of God on earth. I want to perpetuate this message of God, Torah > Faith and Israel to the world. > > Many people believe that the "Last supper" was actually a Passover > seder, but I believe that Yeshua's final meal took place the night > prior to the beginning of Passover. There is textual evidence for > this in the gospels if one truly studies the matter. My reading of > these texts indicates that Yeshua truly wanted to participate in the > seder with his closest family and friends, but this was not to be. > Yeshua would be killed "between the evenings" on the 14th of > Nissan. The Passover seder was to take place the evening of the > 14th, but Yeshua was already dead. > > So, in honor of the one whose words led me to the path of > righteousness, I will pause and consider the mighty work that was > before him and now is before us. > > The world, it seems is hopelessly lost in paganism. The masses have > run head first into idolatry with recklessness and most have traded > the message of Yeshua for a watered down and corrupted message about > him. > > My prayer to all of you is that we go forth into all the world and > make disciples of Torah Faith. This is the message that I preach and > yes, it is in his name. > > Shabbat shalom and chag sameach! Ross > > Ross K. Nichols > www.RootsofFaith.org > > > > > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/7c0fdc3c/attachment.html From dantabor at yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 10:15:22 2008 From: dantabor at yahoo.com (Dan Tabor) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Court Victory in Israel Message-ID: <55296.3913.qm@web45912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Court Victory in Israel On April 16, the Israeli Supreme Court heard the case of several believers who had been denied citizenship by the Ministry of the Interior, including Amy Cowen, daughter of UMJC President Jamie Cowen. Just before the case was heard, Amy wrote, "I do not believe that it is merely coincidental that this case will take place the week leading up to Pesach, a holiday that so clearly embodies themes of salvation, deliverance, freedom, purification, and the blood of the Lamb. As God delivered our people from the bonds of slavery in Egypt , God can certainly deliver once again and grant us our inheritance in this Land. " Here is a summary of the case from the Jerusalem Institute of Justice, one of the Messianic efforts in Israel that the UMJC supports: In a landmark decision today, the Supreme Court of Israel ratified a settlement between twelve Messianic Jewish believers and the State of Israel, which states that being a Messianic Jew does not prevent one from receiving citizenship in Israel under the Law of Return or the Law of Citizenship, if one is a descendent of Jews on one's father's side (and thus not Jewish according to halacha). This Supreme Court decision brought an end to a legal battle that has carried on for two and a half years. The applicants were represented by Yuval Grayevsky and Calev Myers from the offices of Yehuda Raveh & Co., and their legal costs were subsidized by the Jerusalem Institute of Justice. All twelve of the applicants were denied citizenship solely based on grounds that they belong to the Messianic Jewish community. Most of them received letters stating that they would not receive citizenship because they "commit missionary activity". One of the applicants was told by a clerk at the Ministry of Interior that because she "committed missionary activity", she is "acting against the interests of the State of Israel and against the Jewish people". These allegations are not only untrue, but they also do not constitute legal grounds to deny one's right to immigrate to Israel . This important victory paves the way for persons who have Jewish ancestry on their father's side to immigrate to Israel freely, whether or not they belong to the Messianic Jewish community. This is yet another battle won in our war to establish equality in Israel for the Messianic Jewish community just like every other legitimate stream of faith within the Jewish world --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/f2b8239e/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Sat Apr 19 10:24:08 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:24:08 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] The Night of his betrayal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ross, I remember when we were converting, the Rabbi teaching us about Passover. He called the last meal we ate with chometz (leaven) the "last supper." It's the last supper served with leavened bread. Perhaps the meal eaten by Yeshua and his disciples was called a "last supper" in this sense. A clue to this is the fact that he spoke of the one who "sops" with his bread. You can't sop with Matzah! I think, as you point out, this would have been eaten on the evening of the 13th, since the evening of the 14th (at sundown) began Passover. Thank you for reminding us of the Remembrance of this most wonderful and courageous Teacher's life, which ended at this festival period. Pat From: RNDAVAR at aol.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:23 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org ; kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com Subject: [Dialogue] The Night of his betrayal I wanted to send this note out to the list as a reminder that tonight (Nissan 13 on the Hebrew Calendar), marks the date on which Yeshua was betrayed. In the first century, according to our best research, this date occurred on a Wednesday. While much of the world recently celebrated the pagan holiday of Easter, biblically minded souls around the globe are being called back to the Ancient customs of the Hebrew people - among these - the Festivals of the LORD (Leviticus 23). For several years now, in the solitude of my home I have thought on the events of that fateful night in Jerusalem nearly 2,000 years ago. Tonight will be the same. I plan to read and study to the flickering light of my Sabbath candles as I contemplate the message of the one who sought to bring about the realization of the Kingdom of God on earth. I want to perpetuate this message of God, Torah Faith and Israel to the world. Many people believe that the "Last supper" was actually a Passover seder, but I believe that Yeshua's final meal took place the night prior to the beginning of Passover. There is textual evidence for this in the gospels if one truly studies the matter. My reading of these texts indicates that Yeshua truly wanted to participate in the seder with his closest family and friends, but this was not to be. Yeshua would be killed "between the evenings" on the 14th of Nissan. The Passover seder was to take place the evening of the 14th, but Yeshua was already dead. So, in honor of the one whose words led me to the path of righteousness, I will pause and consider the mighty work that was before him and now is before us. The world, it seems is hopelessly lost in paganism. The masses have run head first into idolatry with recklessness and most have traded the message of Yeshua for a watered down and corrupted message about him. My prayer to all of you is that we go forth into all the world and make disciples of Torah Faith. This is the message that I preach and yes, it is in his name. Shabbat shalom and chag sameach! Ross Ross K. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/79bb1599/attachment.html From chattertonw at bellsouth.net Sat Apr 19 17:01:40 2008 From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (chattertonw at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:01:40 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] For I am with thee, sayeth HaSHeM Message-ID: <041920082201.21528.480A6BC4000650500000541822243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Thus saith HaSHeM against all mine evil neighbours, that touch the inheritance which I have caused my people Israel to inherit; Behold, I will pluck them out of their land, and pluck out the house of Judah from among them. And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land. And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, HaSHeM liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of my people. Jeremiah 12:14-16 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border. Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompense upon your own head: And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for HaSHeM hath spoken it. Joel 3:6-8 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon HaSHeM, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness. Isaiah 10:20-22 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith HaSHeM; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid. For I am with thee, saith HaSHeM, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. Jeremiah 30:10-11 For the day of HaSHeM is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head. For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been. But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions. And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for HaSHeM hath spoken it. Obadiah 1:15-18 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/a2870da7/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Sat Apr 19 18:33:58 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:33:58 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] For I am with thee, sayeth HaSHeM In-Reply-To: <041920082201.21528.480A6BC4000650500000541822243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> References: <041920082201.21528.480A6BC4000650500000541822243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Message-ID: Amein!!!! Amein!!!! From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:01 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] For I am with thee, sayeth HaSHeM Thus saith HaSHeM against all mine evil neighbours, that touch the inheritance which I have caused my people Israel to inherit; Behold, I will pluck them out of their land, and pluck out the house of Judah from among them. And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land. And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, HaSHeM liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of my people. Jeremiah 12:14-16 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border. Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompense upon your own head: And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for HaSHeM hath spoken it. Joel 3:6-8 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon HaSHeM, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness. Isaiah 10:20-22 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith HaSHeM; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid. For I am with thee, saith HaSHeM, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. Jeremiah 30:10-11 For the day of HaSHeM is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head. For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been. But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions. And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for HaSHeM hath spoken it. Obadiah 1:15-18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/f8a89da2/attachment.html From chattertonw at bellsouth.net Sat Apr 19 20:23:41 2008 From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (chattertonw at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:23:41 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden Message-ID: <042020080123.916.480A9B1D00064FC90000039422230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Thus saith the Lord HaSHeM; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited. Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I HaSHeM build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I HaSHeM have spoken it, and I will do it. Thus saith the Lord HaSHeM; I will yet for this be inquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock. As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am HaSHeM. Ezekiel 36:33-38 But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come. For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown: And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded: And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am HaSHeM. Ezekiel 36:8-11 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of HaSHeM your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am HaSHeM your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. Joel 2:26-27 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080420/642aae09/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Sat Apr 19 21:33:34 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:33:34 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] This land that was desolate is become like the garden ofEden In-Reply-To: <042020080123.916.480A9B1D00064FC90000039422230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> References: <042020080123.916.480A9B1D00064FC90000039422230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Message-ID: Just finished my Passover meal, and reading the wonderful Haggadah that Ross laid out, and now these wonderful verses for dessert! What a glorious evening! I'm truly blessed. ~ Pat From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:23 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] This land that was desolate is become like the garden ofEden Thus saith the Lord HaSHeM; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited. Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I HaSHeM build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I HaSHeM have spoken it, and I will do it. Thus saith the Lord HaSHeM; I will yet for this be inquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock. As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am HaSHeM. Ezekiel 36:33-38 But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come. For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown: And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded: And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am HaSHeM. Ezekiel 36:8-11 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of HaSHeM your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am HaSHeM your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. Joel 2:26-27 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/09ce1daa/attachment.html From shcole1 at cox.net Sat Apr 19 22:21:31 2008 From: shcole1 at cox.net (sherry cole) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:21:31 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6997DC63EF7E49FC938EB720C1095EB7@sherryPC> Thank you Ross for these words and the inspiration behind them.This Passover promises to be very special for me ,especially coming "right on the heels" of the amazing conference we just experienced. Redemption and freedom to serve the Almighty One. Passover blessings!, Sherry -- Original Message ----- From: RNDAVAR at aol.com To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org ; kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:50 PM Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story I am certain that within our diverse group there will be multiple "versions" of the Passover. I wanted to send this out tonight for those that have never "kept" this festival before. Here are some basic things that you need to know. First, if the sky is clear where you are, I want you to go outside and look up. See the moon? This is the way it looked when our ancestors left Egypt! The full moon gave them light on this night that began with a nation of slaves and ended with a people free to "serve" their God. So you too can experience this freedom. Passover is about experiencing the past and future as well. It is about redemption and freedom. The Prophet Jeremiah says that another Exodus is coming for the people of God...an even greater exodus than the one we read about tonight! (see Jeremiah 16:14-15) I am writing for you a series of verses that you can use as your very own Passover Haggadah. Haggadah comes from a Hebrew word that means to tell. Exodus 10:12, Exodus 12:24-27 and Deuteronomy 6:20-25 are the basis for "telling the story". I encourage all of you to participate in this as it is perhaps the oldest religious practice that has been kept from the beginning of the history of Israel. So tell the story tomorrow night to your family! If you are alone, read it to yourself. It is an incredible story and one that God tells us to tell! Read the following: The reason we tell the story Deuteronomy 6:20-25 Exodus 10:12 Exodus 12:24-27 The Prediction and fulfillment of the Slavery and cruelness of Egypt Genesis 15:13-14 Exodus 1:8-22 The birth of Moses to his flight to Midian Exodus 2:1-22 A cry to God and the call of Moses Exodus 2:23-3:22 The son of God / God's charge to Moses Exodus 4:21-23 Meeting with Pharaoh Exodus 5:1-23 Exodus 6:1-13 The beginning of the redemption Exodus 6:28-7:13 The Plagues and Israel's Departure from Egypt Exodus 7:14-12:36 Salvation In the Wilderness Exodus 12:37-14:31 Other passages related to Passover Deuteronomy 16:1-8 Leviticus 23:3-8 One should eat unleavened bread from sundown tomorrow for 7 days. This bread is also known as bread of affliction (Deuteronomy 16:3). Eat some bitter herbs as well (Exodus 12:8). Only those that are circumcised may eat the meal. Be circumcised of heart (Deuteronomy 10:12-16, 30:1-6, Jeremiah 4:1-4) I pray that every shackle will be broken from your life so that you are free to serve the Living God. Shalom and Chag Sameach! Ross K. Nichols www.RootsofFaith.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1385 - Release Date: 4/18/2008 9:30 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080419/76b6dceb/attachment.html From puddlefrog at aol.com Sat Apr 19 23:19:15 2008 From: puddlefrog at aol.com (puddlefrog at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:19:15 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas In-Reply-To: References: <041820082048.21624.48090933000F3F750000547822230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> <8CA6FCB54C049B1-1544-1FE6@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> <8CA6FCC86639D7E-1544-202D@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA70B4D4487DAA-4B4-23@MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com> Amber... all I can say is WOOHOOOO!!!!!! I can't wait!!!! Tammy -----Original Message----- From: chris fordham To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 9:37 pm Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas Tammy:? Absolutely!!!!? It's not hard at all!? We'll see you very soon!? Chag Sameach!? Amber On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:36 PM, wrote: Amber you will have to teach me how to make the Tzit-Tzit. I would totally love that. -----Original Message----- From: chris fordham To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 8:33 pm Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas Yes!? How great for the kids to learn also!? We know how to make two styles of Zhit Zhit!? Chris and Amber On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:27 PM, wrote: John, I think thats a wonderful idea!!!! It sounds like a wonderful way to learn about the tribes (goodness knows i have a lot to learn) and also a chance to teach as well, and well it just sounds like gosh darn fun!!! Shabbat Shalom, Tammy -----Original Message----- From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net To: Dialogue Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 4:48 pm Subject: [Dialogue] Succoth Ideas (For those on the UIWU list, sorry for the duplication)? ? Hey all, ? One of the things the LA contingent did to stay awake on the way home from the conference this week was toss around ideas to maximize the impact of the Succoth celebration we are hosting in October of this year.? Our fearless leader, Ross (I know he'll get on me for saying that ;-{)}) came up with the idea of each paricipant (and thier family) chosing a tribe to belong to for the duration of thier stay (Judah, Levi, Ephraim, etc.).? This developed into what amounts to a kind of "immersion" experience in which folks could not only belong to a tribe but that tribe would use thier talents to support and teach the whole "nation" of Israel at the feast.? For instance, the tribe of Levi could do the cooking, Cohens could play music, others could tie Tzit-Tzit or make menorahs or whatever we want.? We would have?"booths" to house each artisan as well. ? I told the group I would send this out to see what ideas and response we would get from everyone.? Our intention is to place a sign-up sheet on the ROF website in the near future for folks to register thier ideas and tribe affiliations. ? So let us know what y'all think and we'll try to make this a Succoth to remember. -- John C. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080420/f005e08b/attachment.html From puddlefrog at aol.com Sat Apr 19 23:37:35 2008 From: puddlefrog at aol.com (puddlefrog at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:37:35 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story In-Reply-To: <6997DC63EF7E49FC938EB720C1095EB7@sherryPC> References: <6997DC63EF7E49FC938EB720C1095EB7@sherryPC> Message-ID: <8CA70B7637B0E92-4B4-47@MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com> I know being my first Passover that I am truely blessed to be invited to share it with the Jones family. Thank ?You Dennis. I? have felt a wonderful sense of peace and though I may not know what all is gong on I will learn in time but I do know that this is a wonderful thing that i will long be a part of. Blessings to All Tammy -----Original Message----- From: sherry cole To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:21 pm Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Telling the Story Thank you Ross for these words and the inspiration behind them.This Passover promises to be very special for me ,especially coming "right on the heels" of?the amazing conference we just?experienced. Redemption and freedom to serve the Almighty One. Passover blessings!, Sherry? -- Original Message ----- From: RNDAVAR at aol.com To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org ; kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:50 PM Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story I am certain that within our diverse group there will be multiple "versions" of the Passover.? I wanted to send this out tonight for those that have never "kept" this festival before.? Here are some basic things that you need to know. ? First, if the sky is clear where you are, I want you to go outside and look up.? See the moon?? This is the way it looked when our ancestors left Egypt!? The full moon gave them light on this night that began with a nation of slaves and ended with a people free to "serve" their God.? So you too can experience this freedom. ? Passover is about experiencing the past and future as well.? It is about redemption and freedom. The Prophet Jeremiah says that another Exodus is coming for the people of God...an even greater exodus than the one we read about tonight! (see Jeremiah 16:14-15) ? I am writing for you a series of verses that you can use as your very own Passover Haggadah. Haggadah comes from a Hebrew word that means to tell.? Exodus 10:12, Exodus 12:24-27 and Deuteronomy 6:20-25 are the basis for "telling the story". I encourage all of you to participate in this as it is perhaps the oldest religious practice that has been kept from the beginning of the history of Israel. So tell the story tomorrow night to your family! If you are alone, read it to yourself. It is an incredible story and one that God tells us to tell! ? Read the following: ? The reason we tell the story ? Deuteronomy 6:20-25 Exodus 10:12 Exodus 12:24-27 ? The Prediction and fulfillment of the Slavery and cruelness of Egypt ? Genesis 15:13-14 Exodus 1:8-22 ? The birth of Moses to his flight to Midian Exodus 2:1-22 ? A cry to God and the call of Moses Exodus 2:23-3:22 ? The son of God / God's charge to Moses Exodus 4:21-23 ? Meeting with Pharaoh Exodus 5:1-23 Exodus 6:1-13 ? The beginning of the redemption Exodus 6:28-7:13 ? The Plagues and Israel's Departure from Egypt Exodus 7:14-12:36 ? Salvation In the Wilderness Exodus 12:37-14:31 ? Other passages related to Passover Deuteronomy 16:1-8 Leviticus 23:3-8 ? One should eat unleavened bread from sundown tomorrow for 7 days.? This bread is also known as bread of affliction (Deuteronomy 16:3). ? Eat some bitter herbs as well (Exodus 12:8). ? Only those that are circumcised may eat the meal. Be circumcised of heart (Deuteronomy 10:12-16, 30:1-6, Jeremiah 4:1-4) ? I pray that every shackle will be broken from your life so that you are free to serve the Living God. ? Shalom and Chag Sameach! ? Ross K. Nichols www.RootsofFaith.org Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. _______________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1385 - Release Date: 4/18/2008 9:30 AM _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080420/5faac457/attachment.html From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com Sun Apr 20 17:31:42 2008 From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:31:42 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] .Hine Ma Tov... In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20080415224443.0363bf78@pop.mindspring.com> References: <008201c89f5e$aa9060b0$643c66c9@bettygivin> <6.0.0.22.2.20080415224443.0363bf78@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <22A1462D6AF04C69B20F6EA7C866D3B8@DickLPC> Very nice Joy Beth. Great pics. Dick L > Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in > unity! > > So wonderful to see all you beautiful people again (and some for the first > time)! > Brian's Mom had a wonderful time too. > > I will be working on the pics tomorrow night to reduce & organize them - > here's the first one... of some of the teachers to whom we owe so > much! Thank you for sharing your wisdom... > > Love, > JoyBeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Sun Apr 20 18:46:35 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:46:35 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story In-Reply-To: <6997DC63EF7E49FC938EB720C1095EB7@sherryPC> References: <6997DC63EF7E49FC938EB720C1095EB7@sherryPC> Message-ID: HI, SHERRY!!! Miss you! ~ Pat From: sherry cole Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:21 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Telling the Story Thank you Ross for these words and the inspiration behind them.This Passover promises to be very special for me ,especially coming "right on the heels" of the amazing conference we just experienced. Redemption and freedom to serve the Almighty One. Passover blessings!, Sherry -- Original Message ----- From: RNDAVAR at aol.com To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org ; kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:50 PM Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story I am certain that within our diverse group there will be multiple "versions" of the Passover. I wanted to send this out tonight for those that have never "kept" this festival before. Here are some basic things that you need to know. First, if the sky is clear where you are, I want you to go outside and look up. See the moon? This is the way it looked when our ancestors left Egypt! The full moon gave them light on this night that began with a nation of slaves and ended with a people free to "serve" their God. So you too can experience this freedom. Passover is about experiencing the past and future as well. It is about redemption and freedom. The Prophet Jeremiah says that another Exodus is coming for the people of God...an even greater exodus than the one we read about tonight! (see Jeremiah 16:14-15) I am writing for you a series of verses that you can use as your very own Passover Haggadah. Haggadah comes from a Hebrew word that means to tell. Exodus 10:12, Exodus 12:24-27 and Deuteronomy 6:20-25 are the basis for "telling the story". I encourage all of you to participate in this as it is perhaps the oldest religious practice that has been kept from the beginning of the history of Israel. So tell the story tomorrow night to your family! If you are alone, read it to yourself. It is an incredible story and one that God tells us to tell! Read the following: The reason we tell the story Deuteronomy 6:20-25 Exodus 10:12 Exodus 12:24-27 The Prediction and fulfillment of the Slavery and cruelness of Egypt Genesis 15:13-14 Exodus 1:8-22 The birth of Moses to his flight to Midian Exodus 2:1-22 A cry to God and the call of Moses Exodus 2:23-3:22 The son of God / God's charge to Moses Exodus 4:21-23 Meeting with Pharaoh Exodus 5:1-23 Exodus 6:1-13 The beginning of the redemption Exodus 6:28-7:13 The Plagues and Israel's Departure from Egypt Exodus 7:14-12:36 Salvation In the Wilderness Exodus 12:37-14:31 Other passages related to Passover Deuteronomy 16:1-8 Leviticus 23:3-8 One should eat unleavened bread from sundown tomorrow for 7 days. This bread is also known as bread of affliction (Deuteronomy 16:3). Eat some bitter herbs as well (Exodus 12:8). Only those that are circumcised may eat the meal. Be circumcised of heart (Deuteronomy 10:12-16, 30:1-6, Jeremiah 4:1-4) I pray that every shackle will be broken from your life so that you are free to serve the Living God. Shalom and Chag Sameach! Ross K. Nichols www.RootsofFaith.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1385 - Release Date: 4/18/2008 9:30 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080420/3318ad5d/attachment.html From dantabor at yahoo.com Sun Apr 20 19:04:22 2008 From: dantabor at yahoo.com (Dan Tabor) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <945389.51726.qm@web45903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> * I love Sheri like a sister, but I miss her husband Dave's cigars and their happy-go-lucky dog Toby even more. Pat Robbins wrote: HI, SHERRY!!! Miss you! ~ Pat From: sherry cole Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:21 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Telling the Story Thank you Ross for these words and the inspiration behind them.This Passover promises to be very special for me ,especially coming "right on the heels" of the amazing conference we just experienced. Redemption and freedom to serve the Almighty One. Passover blessings!, Sherry -- Original Message ----- From: RNDAVAR at aol.com To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org ; kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:50 PM Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story I am certain that within our diverse group there will be multiple "versions" of the Passover. I wanted to send this out tonight for those that have never "kept" this festival before. Here are some basic things that you need to know. First, if the sky is clear where you are, I want you to go outside and look up. See the moon? This is the way it looked when our ancestors left Egypt! The full moon gave them light on this night that began with a nation of slaves and ended with a people free to "serve" their God. So you too can experience this freedom. Passover is about experiencing the past and future as well. It is about redemption and freedom. The Prophet Jeremiah says that another Exodus is coming for the people of God...an even greater exodus than the one we read about tonight! (see Jeremiah 16:14-15) I am writing for you a series of verses that you can use as your very own Passover Haggadah. Haggadah comes from a Hebrew word that means to tell. Exodus 10:12, Exodus 12:24-27 and Deuteronomy 6:20-25 are the basis for "telling the story". I encourage all of you to participate in this as it is perhaps the oldest religious practice that has been kept from the beginning of the history of Israel. So tell the story tomorrow night to your family! If you are alone, read it to yourself. It is an incredible story and one that God tells us to tell! Read the following: The reason we tell the story Deuteronomy 6:20-25 Exodus 10:12 Exodus 12:24-27 The Prediction and fulfillment of the Slavery and cruelness of Egypt Genesis 15:13-14 Exodus 1:8-22 The birth of Moses to his flight to Midian Exodus 2:1-22 A cry to God and the call of Moses Exodus 2:23-3:22 The son of God / God's charge to Moses Exodus 4:21-23 Meeting with Pharaoh Exodus 5:1-23 Exodus 6:1-13 The beginning of the redemption Exodus 6:28-7:13 The Plagues and Israel's Departure from Egypt Exodus 7:14-12:36 Salvation In the Wilderness Exodus 12:37-14:31 Other passages related to Passover Deuteronomy 16:1-8 Leviticus 23:3-8 One should eat unleavened bread from sundown tomorrow for 7 days. This bread is also known as bread of affliction (Deuteronomy 16:3). Eat some bitter herbs as well (Exodus 12:8). Only those that are circumcised may eat the meal. Be circumcised of heart (Deuteronomy 10:12-16, 30:1-6, Jeremiah 4:1-4) I pray that every shackle will be broken from your life so that you are free to serve the Living God. Shalom and Chag Sameach! Ross K. Nichols www.RootsofFaith.org --------------------------------- Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.1/1385 - Release Date: 4/18/2008 9:30 AM --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080420/a09d547c/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Sun Apr 20 20:17:17 2008 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:17:17 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Passover Teaching Message-ID: Thank you, Ross! I learned something new tonight, and as always, I appreciate your teaching so much. ~ Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080420/7f4cd794/attachment.html From puddlefrog at aol.com Sun Apr 20 20:21:37 2008 From: puddlefrog at aol.com (puddlefrog at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:21:37 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story In-Reply-To: <945389.51726.qm@web45903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA71652DD8B732-1748-5126@MBLK-M35.sysops.aol.com> Thank you Ross for your inspiring words. You always give me something to think about. Being my first True passover I am amazed in the celebration and I feel very Blessed to have all of you to be sharing it with even if it is in the forum. Tammy -----Original Message----- From: Dan Tabor To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 8:04 pm Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Telling the Story * I love Sheri like a sister, but I miss her husband Dave's cigars and?their happy-go-lucky dog?Toby?even more. Pat Robbins wrote: HI, SHERRY!!!? Miss you!? ~ Pat From: sherry cole Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:21 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Telling the Story Thank you Ross for these words and the inspiration behind them.This Passover promises to be very special for me ,especially coming "right on the heels" of?the amazing conference we just?experienced. Redemption and freedom to serve the Almighty One. Passover blessings!, Sherry? -- Original Message ----- From: RNDAVAR at aol.com To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org ; kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:50 PM Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story I am certain that within our diverse group there will be multiple "versions" of the Passover.? I wanted to send this out tonight for those that have never "kept" this festival before.? Here are some basic things that you need to know. ? First, if the sky is clear where you are, I want you to go outside and look up.? See the moon?? This is the way it looked when our ancestors left Egypt!? The full moon gave them light on this night that began with a nation of slaves and ended with a people free to "serve" their God.? So you too can experience this freedom. ? Passover is about experiencing the past and future as well.? It is about redemption and freedom. The Prophet Jeremiah says that another Exodus is coming for the people of God...an even greater exodus than the one we read about tonight! (see Jeremiah 16:14-15) ? I am writing for you a series of verses that you can use as your very own Passover Haggadah. Haggadah comes from a Hebrew word that means to tell.? Exodus 10:12, Exodus 12:24-27 and Deuteronomy 6:20-25 are the basis for "telling the story". I encourage all of you to participate in this as it is perhaps the oldest religious practice that has been kept from the beginning of the history of Israel. So tell the story tomorrow night to your family! If you are alone, read it to yourself. It is an incredible story and one that God tells us to tell! ? Read the following: ? The reason we tell the story ? Deuteronomy 6:20-25 Exodus 10:12 Exodus 12:24-27 ? The Prediction and fulfillment of the Slavery and cruelness of Egypt ? Genesis 15:13-14 Exodus 1:8-22 ? The birth of Moses to his flight to Midian Exodus 2:1-22 ? A cry to God and the call of Moses Exodus 2:23-3:22 ? The son of God / God's charge to Moses Exodus 4:21-23 ? Meeting with Pharaoh Exodus 5:1-23 Exodus 6:1-13 ? The beginning of the redemption Exodus 6:28-7:13 ? The Plagues and Israel's Departure from Egypt Exodus 7:14-12:36 ? Salvation In the Wilderness Exodus 12:37-14:31 ? Other passages related to Passover Deuteronomy 16:1-8 Leviticus 23:3-8 ? One should eat unleavened bread from sundown tomorrow for 7 days.? This bread is also known as bread of affliction (Deuteronomy 16:3). ? Eat some bitter herbs as well (Exodus 12:8). ? Only those that are circumcised may eat the meal. Be circumcised of heart (Deuteronomy 10:12-16, 30:1-6, Jeremiah 4:1-4) ? I pray that every shackle will be broken from your life so that you are free to serve the Living God. ? Shalom and Chag Sameach! ? Ross K. Nichols www.RootsofFaith.org Need a new ride? 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080420/a87c488d/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sun Apr 20 21:01:32 2008 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:01:32 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Passover Teaching In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1590835450-1208743710-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1017746371-@bxe002.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hey Ross, Hi from Joe an Debbie's seder. Sounds like the class went well. Talk to ya soon. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Pat Robbins" Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:17:17 To: Subject: [Dialogue] Passover Teaching Thank you, Ross!? I learned something new tonight, and as always,?I appreciate your teaching so much. ~ Pat_______________________________________________ From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 23:55:46 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:55:46 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story In-Reply-To: <8CA71652DD8B732-1748-5126@MBLK-M35.sysops.aol.com> References: <945389.51726.qm@web45903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CA71652DD8B732-1748-5126@MBLK-M35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804202155k484070fp3a22ea4fa4f17797@mail.gmail.com> Thank you for this Ross. I'm talking tomorrow off from 9 - 3, for study and prayer. I'm going to review these verses. Your prayer at the end "I pray that every shackle will be broken from your life so that you are free to serve the Living God." is very appropriate for me at this time, as I am sure it is for many others as well. Chag Samaech! to you and yours Kim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080420/18cf1b61/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 23:58:48 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:58:48 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] This land that was desolate is become like the garden ofEden In-Reply-To: References: <042020080123.916.480A9B1D00064FC90000039422230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804202158w29e66f23m1a6061aa44767f6@mail.gmail.com> May the Redemption be soon and in our day. Next year in Jerusalem! Kim On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Pat Robbins wrote: > Just finished my Passover meal, and reading the wonderful Haggadah that > Ross laid out, and now these wonderful verses for dessert! What a glorious > evening! I'm truly blessed. ~ Pat > > *From:* chattertonw at bellsouth.net > *Sent:* Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:23 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* [Dialogue] This land that was desolate is become like the > garden ofEden > > Thus saith the Lord HaSHeM; In the day that I shall have cleansed you > from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and > the wastes shall be builded. And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas > it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. And they shall say, This > land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and > desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited. Then the > heathen that are left round about you shall know that I HaSHeM build the > ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I HaSHeM have spoken it, > and I will do it. Thus saith the Lord HaSHeM; I will yet for this be > inquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them > with men like a flock. As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her > solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and > they shall know that I am HaSHeM. Ezekiel 36:33-38 > > > > But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and > yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come. For, > behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and > sown: And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of > it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded: And > I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring > fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto > you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am HaSHeM. Ezekiel > 36:8-11 > > > > And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of > HaSHeM your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall > never be ashamed. And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and > that I am HaSHeM your God, and none else: and my people shall never be > ashamed. Joel 2:26-27 > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080420/e928820d/attachment.html From dantabor at yahoo.com Mon Apr 21 07:29:37 2008 From: dantabor at yahoo.com (Dan Tabor) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] This land that was desolate is become like the garden ofEden In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0804202158w29e66f23m1a6061aa44767f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <581632.39986.qm@web45916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> *if so, please remember to pack your adorable, "wayward" cousin who seems stuck on a 2 1/2 year plan. kim alvarado wrote: May the Redemption be soon and in our day. Next year in Jerusalem! Kim On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Pat Robbins wrote: Just finished my Passover meal, and reading the wonderful Haggadah that Ross laid out, and now these wonderful verses for dessert! What a glorious evening! I'm truly blessed. ~ Pat From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:23 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] This land that was desolate is become like the garden ofEden Thus saith the Lord HaSHeM; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited. Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I HaSHeM build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I HaSHeM have spoken it, and I will do it. Thus saith the Lord HaSHeM; I will yet for this be inquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock. As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am HaSHeM. Ezekiel 36:33-38 But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come. For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown: And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded: And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am HaSHeM. Ezekiel 36:8-11 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of HaSHeM your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am HaSHeM your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. Joel 2:26-27 --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080421/c0adfbad/attachment.html From shcole1 at cox.net Mon Apr 21 09:10:37 2008 From: shcole1 at cox.net (sherry cole) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:10:37 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story In-Reply-To: References: <6997DC63EF7E49FC938EB720C1095EB7@sherryPC> Message-ID: <10893CAF46314F77A6218C048C34F8B4@sherryPC> Hi Pat , Missing your sweet smile too! We had a wonderful time celebrating Passover at Joe Good's last evening .Wish you and all the "new" brothers and sisters from the conference could have been there. Blessings, Sherry --- Original Message ----- From: Pat Robbins To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Telling the Story HI, SHERRY!!! Miss you! ~ Pat From: sherry cole Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:21 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Telling the Story Thank you Ross for these words and the inspiration behind them.This Passover promises to be very special for me ,especially coming "right on the heels" of the amazing conference we just experienced. Redemption and freedom to serve the Almighty One. Passover blessings!, Sherry -- Original Message ----- From: RNDAVAR at aol.com To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org ; kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:50 PM Subject: [Dialogue] Telling the Story I am certain that within our diverse group there will be multiple "versions" of the Passover. I wanted to send this out tonight for those that have never "kept" this festival before. Here are some basic things that you need to know. First, if the sky is clear where you are, I want you to go outside and look up. See the moon? This is the way it looked when our ancestors left Egypt! The full moon gave them light on this night that began with a nation of slaves and ended with a people free to "serve" their God. So you too can experience this freedom. Passover is about experiencing the past and future as well. It is about redemption and freedom. The Prophet Jeremiah says that another Exodus is coming for the people of God...an even greater exodus than the one we read about tonight! (see Jeremiah 16:14-15) I am writing for you a series of verses that you can use as your very own Passover Haggadah. Haggadah comes from a Hebrew word that means to tell. Exodus 10:12, Exodus 12:24-27 and Deuteronomy 6:20-25 are the basis for "telling the story". I encourage all of you to participate in this as it is perhaps the oldest religious practice that has been kept from the beginning of the history of Israel. So tell the story tomorrow night to your family! If you are alone, read it to yourself. It is an incredible story and one that God tells us to tell! Read the following: The reason we tell the story Deuteronomy 6:20-25 Exodus 10:12 Exodus 12:24-27 The Prediction and fulfillment of the Slavery and cruelness of Egypt Genesis 15:13-14 Exodus 1:8-22 The birth of Moses to his flight to Midian Exodus 2:1-22 A cry to God and the call of Moses Exodus 2:23-3:22 The son of God / God's charge to Moses Exodus 4:21-23 Meeting with Pharaoh Exodus 5:1-23 Exodus 6:1-13 The beginning of the redemption Exodus 6:28-7:13 The Plagues and Israel's Departure from Egypt Exodus 7:14-12:36 Salvation In the Wilderness Exodus 12:37-14:31 Other passages related to Passover Deuteronomy 16:1-8 Leviticus 23:3-8 One should eat unleavened bread from sundown tomorrow for 7 days. This bread is also known as bread of affliction (Deuteronomy 16:3). Eat some bitter herbs as well (Exodus 12:8). Only those that are circumcised may eat the meal. Be circumcised of heart (Deuteronomy 10:12-16, 30:1-6, Jeremiah 4:1-4) I pray that every shackle will be broken from your life so that you are free to serve the Living God. Shalom and Chag Sameach! Ross K. Nichols www.RootsofFaith.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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The National Yiddish Book Center was founded in 1980 by MacArthur Fellow Aaron Lansky, who continues to lead the organization as its president. When he was a 23-year-old graduate student, Lansky stumbled upon an alarming fact: throughout North America, thousands of priceless Yiddish books ? books that had survived Hitler and Stalin ? were being discarded and destroyed. As an older generation passed on, more often than not their precious Jewish volumes were literally thrown in the trash by children and grandchildren unable to read the language. An entire literature was on the verge of extinction. Lansky realized something had to be done ? and done fast ? before it was too late. So he took what he thought would be a two-year leave of absence from graduate school and, operating out of an unheated factory loft, issued a public appeal for unwanted and discarded Yiddish books. Jews from all over America rallied to the call. Soon, Lansky and a handful of co-workers ? all in their early 20s ? were spending weeks and months on the road, hauling priceless Jewish books from cellars and attics, synagogues and abandoned buildings. Once they received a midnight phone call, took a 2 A.M. train to New York City and worked all day in the freezing rain to rescue 8,000 books from a garbage dumpster. Another time they organized a group of local teenagers into a "bucket brigade" to recover a 15,000-volume Jewish library from the basement of a demolished building in the Bronx. When the Center began, scholars estimated there were 70,000 Yiddish books still extant and recoverable. The Center recovered that number in six months and has gone on to recover 1.5 million volumes, with hundreds of additional books continuing to arrive each week. The Center?s achievement has been hailed as the "the greatest cultural rescue effort in Jewish history." 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The National Yiddish Book Center Harry and Jeanette Weinberg Building ? 1021 West Street ? Amherst MA 01002 ? Phone 413-256-4900 ? Fax 413-256-4700 ? Contact --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080421/1a5d55db/attachment.html From YoungBarzel at aol.com Mon Apr 21 21:01:39 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:01:39 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] Some Amazing Facts Message-ID: Shalom to all - Moadim L'Simcha (Festivals of Joy)- I hope you're having a wonderful and meaningful Pesah. Along the lines of slavery and oppression (2 of the themes of the Haggadah), please scroll down and read below. Enjoy the rest of the Chag!! Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... _Islam: what it is, what it shall be_ (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/04/islam-what-it-i.html) _Seminal post over at Front Page_ (http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4DE15EF9-A76C-4DD4-81E2-75683AEED74D) - best overview I've seen, succinct and pointed. Props to front Page who is courageous in consistently bringing us the truth about our world. _WHAT ISLAM ISN'T _ (http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4DE15EF9-A76C-4DD4-81E2-75683AEED74D) Dr. Peter Hammond Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components. Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.' When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)). As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness: United States -- Muslim 1.0% Australia -- Muslim 1.5% Canada -- Muslim 1.9% China -- Muslim 1%-2% Italy -- Muslim 1.5% Norway -- Muslim 1.8% At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs: Denmark -- Muslim 2% Germany -- Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7% Spain -- Muslim 4% Thailand -- Muslim 4.6% >From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ). France -- Muslim 8% Philippines -- Muslim 5% Sweden -- Muslim 5% Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5% Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8% At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons). Guyana -- Muslim 10% India -- Muslim 13.4% Israel -- Muslim 16% Kenya -- Muslim 10% Russia -- Muslim 10-15% After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning: Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8% At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare: Bosnia -- Muslim 40% Chad -- Muslim 53.1% Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7% >From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels: Albania -- Muslim 70% Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4% Qatar -- Muslim 77.5% Sudan -- Muslim 70% After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide: Bangladesh -- Muslim 83% Egypt -- Muslim 90% Gaza -- Muslim 98.7% Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1% Iran -- Muslim 98% Iraq -- Muslim 97% Jordan -- Muslim 92% Morocco -- Muslim 98.7% Pakistan -- Muslim 97% Palestine -- Muslim 99% Syria -- Muslim 90% Tajikistan -- Muslim 90% Turkey -- Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96% 100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim: Afghanistan -- Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100% Somalia -- Muslim 100% Yemen -- Muslim 99.9% Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons. 'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. ? Leon Uris, 'The Haj' Read i_t all here_ (http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4DE15EF9-A76C-4DD4-81E2-75683AEED74D) . **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080421/cce8073b/attachment.html From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Mon Apr 21 22:04:27 2008 From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:04:27 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Some Omer thoughts Message-ID: <200804220304.m3M34Mtu032765@pmail2550.carrierzone.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080421/6aade6e5/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 21 22:13:05 2008 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:13:05 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Some Omer thoughts In-Reply-To: <200804220304.m3M34Mtu032765@pmail2550.carrierzone.com> References: <200804220304.m3M34Mtu032765@pmail2550.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <354251299-1208834453-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-735957234-@bxe002.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> This is sage advice Steve. It is time for enthusiasm but let us not replace HaShem's purpose with our own in our haste. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Steve Mathe Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:04:27 To:dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Some Omer thoughts _______________________________________________ From loyb at prodigy.net Mon Apr 21 22:26:34 2008 From: loyb at prodigy.net (Loy) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:26:34 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Some Omer thoughts References: <200804220304.m3M34Mtu032765@pmail2550.carrierzone.com> <354251299-1208834453-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-735957234-@bxe002.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <026001c8a428$ab01d410$de86fea9@loyc30e02e1325> AMEN !!! to both Steve and John! loy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dialogue" Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Some Omer thoughts > This is sage advice Steve. It is time for enthusiasm but let us not > replace HaShem's purpose with our own in our haste. > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Mathe > > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:04:27 > To:dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Subject: [Dialogue] Some Omer thoughts > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ From YoungBarzel at aol.com Mon Apr 21 22:31:10 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:31:10 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] Some Omer thoughts Message-ID: Hey Steve, Moadim L'Simcha! Thanks for sharing this, it's really great stuff. Keep it coming! :-) ....Chagim, U'Zmanim L'Sason, (holidays and seasons of joy) Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080421/34ee8121/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 01:54:35 2008 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:54:35 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Some Omer thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0804212354r345b1522g8ace8d7bd1588378@mail.gmail.com> Thank you for this, Steve, had I not seen this email tonight, I would have forgotten. Kim On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:31 PM, wrote: > Hey Steve, > > Moadim L'Simcha! Thanks for sharing this, it's really great stuff. > Keep it coming! :-) > > ....Chagim, U'Zmanim L'Sason, (holidays and seasons of joy) > > * Hanoch *the Lil Lion of Judah > *Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...* > > > > ------------------------------ > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL > Autos . > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080422/374df20a/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 05:20:07 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:20:07 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Some Omer thoughts In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0804212354r345b1522g8ace8d7bd1588378@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c8dbb6e0804212354r345b1522g8ace8d7bd1588378@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Steve! As Chris and I were looking up websites on Counting the Omer yesterday we actually saw this one! We will have to go back and look at it again! We like to read one page each day to the kids during the Counting! We LOVE Artscroll. A friend passed that on to us several months back! Thank you for reminding us of it! Chris and Amber On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:54 AM, kim alvarado wrote: > Thank you for this, Steve, had I not seen this email tonight, I would have > forgotten. > > Kim > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:31 PM, wrote: > > > Hey Steve, > > > > Moadim L'Simcha! Thanks for sharing this, it's really great stuff. > > Keep it coming! :-) > > > > ....Chagim, U'Zmanim L'Sason, (holidays and seasons of joy) > > > > * Hanoch *the Lil Lion of Judah > > *Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...* > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings > > at AOL Autos . > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080422/4e4d26ec/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 05:23:49 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:23:49 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Counting the Omer Message-ID: "And from the day on which you bring [the omer], the sheaf of the elevation offering- the day after the Sabbath-you shall count off seven weeks. They must be complete: you must count until the day after the seventh week-fifty days; then you shall bring an offering of new grain to the Lord." *Leviticus 23:15-16* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20080422/11c1b96b/attachment.html From calbfordham at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 05:35:09 2008 From: calbfordham at gmail.com (chris fordham) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:35:09 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Better Translation! Message-ID: Lev 23:15 'And from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, you shall count for yourselves: seven completed Sabbaths. Lev 23:16 'Until the morrow after the seventh Sabbath you count fifty days, then you shall bring a new grain offering to ????. From YoungBarzel at aol.com Tue Apr 22 07:32:40 2008 From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:32:40 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] He is calling HIS people home... Message-ID: Boker tov v'Moadim L'Simcha! Below is an article about the beginnings of the RETURN of the descendants of the Anusim ("coerced ones"), those Jews who were forced to convert to Christianity in Spain and Portugal over 500 years ago. They are not 'Lost Tribers,' they are 'Lost Jews...' But NOW is the time, HaShem is waking all of us up, to bring ALL of HIS people home.... Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah Now we all know Rav Kahane was right... The The Post, April 18, 2008 In In