From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 18:07:15 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:07:15 -0600
Subject: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland
In-Reply-To: <708986.10384.qm@web33604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <708986.10384.qm@web33604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803011607s20c2920dh899f56fcd75232c3@mail.gmail.com>

Hanoch,

Just got back home.  I was in Dallas for two week.  Anyway, I like the Earl
Blue Marl Modern Tartan.


Kim

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Pamela JD Rogers <
house_of_danner at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dia dhuit Hanoch,
>
> Allow me to introduce myself...Pamela Rogers (Pj)
> I am part of the Root of Faith Flock...  :)
> May I ask if you are biologically connected to Scotland?
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "YoungBarzel at aol.com" <YoungBarzel at aol.com>
> To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:04:09 AM
> Subject: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland
>
>  Shalom L'Kulchem -
>
>     Okay, I've asked some strange things on this list, but this one is
> among the 'best.'  The link below enables you to select various Tartan
> patterns from Scotland, based on certain color priorities.  I'm looking for
> a pattern that I will now adopt as MY family tartan!!  :-)  My daughters
> think it's a bit "unusual," but they're willing to 'vote', too!  I've been
> looking primarily for those with blues and purples (it's a 2nd Temple kind
> of image in my head...).  I wanted to invite you all (Y'all) to help me a
> bit, check it out and let me know your opinion of which one I should
> 'adopt,' okay?  I wanted to ask a fun question this time - thanks in
> advance!
>
> *Click here: Tartans & Fabrics from Scotweb Tartan & Fabric Finder*<http://www.tartanstore.net/tartan?id=GU3IYnkd>
> * *
>
> *      Hanoch **the Lil Lion of Judah
> Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...*
>
>
>
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From YoungBarzel at aol.com  Sun Mar  2 06:15:04 2008
From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 07:15:04 EST
Subject: [Dialogue] About Parshat Yayak'hel
Message-ID: <d09.2cb7171a.34fbf448@aol.com>

 
Shavua tov L'Kulchem,
 
    I hope everyone had a relaxing and revitalizing Shabbat with their 
families.  Although it's one day afterwards, here's the link to an article that Rav 
Shlomo Riskin wrote about this past Shabbat's parsha (Weekly Torah Portion).  
It's not my personal 'style,' but he has an interesting interpretation of 
things, check it out:    
 
_Click here: Vayak'hel: A Biblical Puzzle - Judaism - Arutz Sheva_ 
(http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7803)  
 
    Best regards,
            Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah
Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...





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From YoungBarzel at aol.com  Sun Mar  2 06:28:44 2008
From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 07:28:44 EST
Subject: [Dialogue] Let's Come Together to Build the Mishkan
Message-ID: <bfe.30b2fbc8.34fbf77c@aol.com>

 
Shalom Chaverim Yikarim,
 
    Below is another brief article about Parshat Vayak'hel, with an 
interesting 'take' on unity/disunity.  Where the author writes, "Jews," think: "Jews 
and Ephramites..."  It's quite thought provoking - enjoy!
_Click here: Vayak'hel: Come Together to Build the Mishkan - Judaism - Arutz 
Sheva_ (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7798)  
 
    B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael,
        Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah
Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...




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From YoungBarzel at aol.com  Sun Mar  2 06:45:01 2008
From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 07:45:01 EST
Subject: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland
Message-ID: <c95.26fd86fa.34fbfb4d@aol.com>

Hi Pamela (PJ),
 
    Nice to meet you!  No, there is no biological connection between Scotland 
and I, but there is this almost bizarre 'draw,' or 'pull' to all things 
Scottish (Wales too, as a matter of fact).  Hence, my desire to adopt a particular 
'Tartan pattern' for my daughters and I  :-)  I haven't tried to play the 
bagpipes yet, although it sure seems I have enough hot air in me to make them 
howl!  LOL
 
    Although I just started reading a fascinating book (link below), which 
has some very interesting ramifications.  I'm not jumping to any conclusions 
just yet - DNA testing is not my forte, and it will take a lot more studying 
this, on my part.  
 
_Click here: Amazon.com: When Scotland Was Jewish: DNA Evidence, Archeology, 
Analysis of Migrations, and Public and Family Reco_ 
(http://www.amazon.com/When-Scotland-Was-Jewish-Archeology/dp/0786428007/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&
qid=1204461705&sr=1-1)  
 
    Pamela, can I assume your family roots are in Scotland?  Can you tell me 
about it, please?  Thanks again for writing!
 
    Best regards,
        Hanoch 

the Lil Lion of Judah
Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...



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From YoungBarzel at aol.com  Sun Mar  2 06:47:35 2008
From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 07:47:35 EST
Subject: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland
Message-ID: <ca4.25477091.34fbfbe7@aol.com>

Hi Kim - 
 
    Well, you guys are making it a very difficult choice for me...but it's a 
beautiful pattern, Kim.  Decisions, decisions....Anyway, how are you? Hope 
things are well!  Thanks for your opinion, I really appreciate it!
 
    Best regards,
        Hanoch 
the Lil Lion of Judah
Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...



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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sun Mar  2 14:08:45 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:08:45 -0600
Subject: [Dialogue] HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAMES AND KIM111
Message-ID: <019001c87ca1$38604030$643c66c9@bettygivin>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JAMES AND KIM, TODAY, MARCH 2ND 

 

No one could ask for a better, more loving, or more loyal brother or
daughter.  My love reaches out to both of you, to James in Israel and to Kim
in Louisiana.

 

May this year be one in which HaShem's blessings will cover you with love,
peace and joy, and with Divine guidance and direction, and strength of
purpose in meet the challenges this coming year body.  Much love,
Betty/Elisheva

 

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From youngbarzel at aol.com  Sun Mar  2 14:44:10 2008
From: youngbarzel at aol.com (youngbarzel at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:44:10 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAMES AND KIM111
In-Reply-To: <019001c87ca1$38604030$643c66c9@bettygivin>
References: <019001c87ca1$38604030$643c66c9@bettygivin>
Message-ID: <8CA4ABD4D6F9515-13FC-658C@FWM-M16.sysops.aol.com>


Yom Huledet Sameach!!? Happy Birthday!!? May this year be your very best year yet - a year filled with health, love, happiness, contentment and success in all of your endeavors.

Best regards, 
???? Hanoch? the Lil Lion of Judah

Now we all know that Rav Kahane was right!




-----Original Message-----
From: Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 3:08 pm
Subject: [Dialogue] HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAMES AND KIM111





HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JAMES AND KIM, TODAY, MARCH 2ND 

?

No one could ask for a better, more loving, or more loyal brother or daughter.? My love reaches out to both of you, to James in Israel and to Kim in Louisiana.

?

May this year be one in which HaShem?s blessings will cover you with love, peace and joy, and with Divine guidance and direction, and strength of purpose in meet the challenges this coming year body. ?Much love, Betty/Elisheva

?




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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Sun Mar  2 17:37:38 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:37:38 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAMES AND KIM111
In-Reply-To: <019001c87ca1$38604030$643c66c9@bettygivin>
References: <019001c87ca1$38604030$643c66c9@bettygivin>
Message-ID: <002001c87cbe$67e747a0$0200a8c0@marvin>

James,

 

Happy birthday!  I remember your 50th. In Israel...    but I'm not there to
look after you so be careful and not celebrate to much.  Betty, If I ever
get to meet you,  I have a story you'll just love about James b'day parties
in Israel.

 

Shalom and best wishes!

 

  _____  

From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Betty Givin
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:09 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAMES AND KIM111

 

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JAMES AND KIM, TODAY, MARCH 2ND 

 

No one could ask for a better, more loving, or more loyal brother or
daughter.  My love reaches out to both of you, to James in Israel and to Kim
in Louisiana.

 

May this year be one in which HaShem's blessings will cover you with love,
peace and joy, and with Divine guidance and direction, and strength of
purpose in meet the challenges this coming year body.  Much love,
Betty/Elisheva

 

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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  2 20:55:12 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 21:55:12 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Awesome, Ross!!!
Message-ID: <BLU125-W20904A45A9DE300CFAAD30BA170@phx.gbl>


I really can't tell you how much I admire and appreciate your teaching, Ross.  We are to study to show ourselves approved.  We must answer to G-d and not to any Church Councils, Denominations, Preachers, Evangelists or Grand Inquisitors.  If we have believed lies, we have to make it right.  May HaShem lead us by His precious Spirit, and give us courage to follow hard after Him.  
 
Thank you,
 
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From house_of_danner at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  3 01:41:48 2008
From: house_of_danner at yahoo.com (Pamela JD Rogers)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 23:41:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland
Message-ID: <203666.61586.qm@web33608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Shalom Hanock,

I married into it.  Husband is, as they say, Scots-Irish.  Tartan's are regarded as an identity.  Mostly, your clan association.  
Americans wear plaids irrespective of clan ties, but in the Celtic countries it would be considered in poor form to do so.  There are established protocol for altering the clan tartan and coa.  The place to start would be the official world registry of tartans.

My research for the 10 lost tribes of Israel began near 15 years ago.  It lead me to a number of sites where authors declared Israel's dispersement through the British Isles.  I'll share those with you if you like.

I'll close for now.

May the Lord our God bless and keep us.

Pamela






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From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net  Mon Mar  3 07:10:23 2008
From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:10:23 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAMES AND KIM111
In-Reply-To: <002001c87cbe$67e747a0$0200a8c0@marvin>
References: <019001c87ca1$38604030$643c66c9@bettygivin>
	<002001c87cbe$67e747a0$0200a8c0@marvin>
Message-ID: <48950A85-0DD7-4230-8ED1-1FC1E5DE3E5B@earthlink.net>

Thanks Marvin. Well this one, I can assure, you, was characterized by  
a full day of hard work at our site and a much more nature James Tabor  
in terms of the late night party! I guess the 50s and the 60s are  
different.

Best,

James


On Mar 2, 2008, at 6:37 PM, mhyde wrote:

> James,
>
> Happy birthday!  I remember your 50th. In Israel??.    but I?m not  
> there to look after you so be careful and not celebrate to much.   
> Betty, If I ever get to meet you,  I have a story you?ll just love  
> about James b?day parties in Israel.
>
> Shalom and best wishes!
>
> From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Betty Givin
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:09 PM
> To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
> Subject: [Dialogue] HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAMES AND KIM111
>
> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JAMES AND KIM, TODAY, MARCH 2ND
>
> No one could ask for a better, more loving, or more loyal brother or  
> daughter.  My love reaches out to both of you, to James in Israel  
> and to Kim in Louisiana.
>
> May this year be one in which HaShem?s blessings will cover you with  
> love, peace and joy, and with Divine guidance and direction, and  
> strength of purpose in meet the challenges this coming year body.   
> Much love, Betty/Elisheva
>
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From YoungBarzel at aol.com  Mon Mar  3 07:13:06 2008
From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:13:06 EST
Subject: [Dialogue] A Psalm for 26 Adar I 5768
Message-ID: <d5b.1ffbd28a.34fd5362@aol.com>

 
Shalom v'Boker tov,
(From the Lekarev Report),
 
    "Judge me, O L-rd, for I have walked in my integrity,and I have trustedin 
the 
      L-rd.  I will not stumble.
      Examine me, O L-rd, and test me.  Try my reins and my heart.
      For Your lovingkindness is before my eyes, and I have walked in Your 
truth."
                           Psalm 26:1-3
 
Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah
Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...




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From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net  Mon Mar  3 07:16:35 2008
From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:16:35 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAMES AND KIM111
In-Reply-To: <48950A85-0DD7-4230-8ED1-1FC1E5DE3E5B@earthlink.net>
References: <019001c87ca1$38604030$643c66c9@bettygivin>
	<002001c87cbe$67e747a0$0200a8c0@marvin>
	<48950A85-0DD7-4230-8ED1-1FC1E5DE3E5B@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <D290911B-071A-4E04-ACA3-5ADCB9D1E7E5@earthlink.net>

Okay, sorry, I mean MATURE!

James


On Mar 3, 2008, at 8:10 AM, James Tabor wrote:

> Thanks Marvin. Well this one, I can assure, you, was characterized  
> by a full day of hard work at our site and a much more nature James  
> Tabor in terms of the late night party! I guess the 50s and the 60s  
> are different.
>
> Best,
>
> James
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2008, at 6:37 PM, mhyde wrote:
>
>> James,
>>
>> Happy birthday!  I remember your 50th. In Israel??.    but I?m not  
>> there to look after you so be careful and not celebrate to much.   
>> Betty, If I ever get to meet you,  I have a story you?ll just love  
>> about James b?day parties in Israel.
>>
>> Shalom and best wishes!
>>
>> From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org 
>> ] On Behalf Of Betty Givin
>> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:09 PM
>> To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
>> Subject: [Dialogue] HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAMES AND KIM111
>>
>> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JAMES AND KIM, TODAY, MARCH 2ND
>>
>> No one could ask for a better, more loving, or more loyal brother  
>> or daughter.  My love reaches out to both of you, to James in  
>> Israel and to Kim in Louisiana.
>>
>> May this year be one in which HaShem?s blessings will cover you  
>> with love, peace and joy, and with Divine guidance and direction,  
>> and strength of purpose in meet the challenges this coming year  
>> body.  Much love, Betty/Elisheva
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Mon Mar  3 10:49:34 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:49:34 -0800
Subject: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland
In-Reply-To: <203666.61586.qm@web33608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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From YoungBarzel at aol.com  Mon Mar  3 20:50:22 2008
From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:50:22 EST
Subject: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland
Message-ID: <c3b.2d664380.34fe12ee@aol.com>

Shalom Pamela - 
 
    Thanks so much for your note, and yes, I would enjoy seeing those sites 
you mentioned.  I too, have been very involved in researching the Lost Tribes 
"movement" (or ideology, as some might call it) for 15 years.  Although I'm 
coming from a different place then most of this group (being Jewish), we're all 
here together, because we're being called together again...to go back to 
Torah...
 
    More on that when I'm not so sleepy though.  :-)  Thanks again for your 
note; looking forward to your posting that information.
 
    Best regards,
        Hanoch 
the Lil Lion of Judah
Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...



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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 23:09:24 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:09:24 -0600
Subject: [Dialogue] HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAMES AND KIM111
In-Reply-To: <D290911B-071A-4E04-ACA3-5ADCB9D1E7E5@earthlink.net>
References: <019001c87ca1$38604030$643c66c9@bettygivin>
	<002001c87cbe$67e747a0$0200a8c0@marvin>
	<48950A85-0DD7-4230-8ED1-1FC1E5DE3E5B@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803032109r708ba01bu7dc649627b5d6a4d@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for the b-day wishes and love.

Kim

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:16 AM, James Tabor <jamesdtabor at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Okay, sorry, I mean MATURE!
> James
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2008, at 8:10 AM, James Tabor wrote:
>
> Thanks Marvin. Well this one, I can assure, you, was characterized by a
> full day of hard work at our site and a much more nature James Tabor in
> terms of the late night party! I guess the 50s and the 60s are different.
> Best,
>
> James
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2008, at 6:37 PM, mhyde wrote:
>
> James,
>
> Happy birthday!  I remember your 50th. In Israel??.    but I'm not there
> to look after you so be careful and not celebrate to much.  Betty, If I ever
> get to meet you,  I have a story you'll just love about James b'day parties
> in Israel.
>
> Shalom and best wishes!
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [
> mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org<dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org>
> ] *On Behalf Of *Betty Givin
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:09 PM
> *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
> *Subject:* [Dialogue] HAPPY BIRTHDAY JAMES AND KIM111
>
> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JAMES AND KIM, TODAY, MARCH 2ND
>
> No one could ask for a better, more loving, or more loyal brother or
> daughter.  My love reaches out to both of you, to James in Israel and to
> Kim in Louisiana.
>
> May this year be one in which HaShem's blessings will cover you with love,
> peace and joy, and with Divine guidance and direction, and strength of
> purpose in meet the challenges this coming year body.  Much love,
> Betty/Elisheva
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 23:16:03 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:16:03 -0600
Subject: [Dialogue] Something to think about re: Parshat Ki Tisa
In-Reply-To: <d05.2966c819.34f07dad@aol.com>
References: <d05.2966c819.34f07dad@aol.com>
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Very behind on my emails, but this is a great article, Hanoch!  Who is Moshe
Kempinski?

Kim

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, <YoungBarzel at aol.com> wrote:

>  Shabbat shalom chaverim yikarim,
>
>     An interesting article below, something to think about over Shabbat.
> Hope you and your families have a restful, rejuvenating and fulfilling
> Shabbat.
> *        Hanoch **the Lil Lion of Judah
> Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...*
>
>  *Ki Tisa: The Convoluted Road* *16 Adar 5768, 22 February 08 11:22*
> *by Moshe Kempinski*
>  *(IsraelNN.com) * *The "Land of Israel faithful" are still suffering from
> the post-expulsion malaise. The impact of the cruel and senseless
> "disengagement" and the brutality of Amona that followed have created deep
> wounds in the body and psyche of those motivated by the destiny of this
> nation. The fact that the many in Israel who have lost faith continue to
> flounder without direction is not surprising. There are many others who
> continue to be anchored in the roots of their past and continue to feel the
> pull and yearning of their destiny. Yet, the fact that those people too are
> feeling somewhat lost is much more concerning. *
> *
> *
> *These more committed and usually passion-filled people are feeling their
> spark being dimmed. They view the failed leadership of this country and then
> look at the possible alternatives with a resigned "anything is better than
> Olmert" approach. Ominous signs seem to be lurking all around this land. The
> horizon seems to be covered with darkening and threatening clouds. The
> cancer of selfishness and violence seems to be eating away at the edges of
> society, and spreads its tentacles into the very heart of Israel's schools.
> *
> *
> *
> *As a result, many conversations and encounters between the activists of
> past struggles usually revolve around a sense of futility and impotence.
> Every thought or new idea that is raised usually gets dismissed with a
> comment similar to "we've been there" or "we've done that." The Internet
> talkbacks are usually filled with innocuous advice that demands violent
> action and revolution. It is interesting to note that most of these comments
> come from people who do not live in the land of Israel .People who have
> never had the courage or faith to live with the consequences of their
> suggestions and ideas. *
> *
> *
> *Yet, while the sense of morass is understandable, it comes out of
> mistaken expectations. *
> *
> *
> *Man has a tendency to get so focused on his desired solutions that he
> loses faith in, and patience with, the process of achieving that solution.
> Sometimes, we are so focused on the destination that we forget the journey.
> We are so clear on where we want to get to that we judge the methods of
> getting there by how instantly they can achieve success. *
> *
> *
> *We have a deep sense of the awesome power of redemption, yet it seems its
> very awesomeness makes it almost intangible. We prefer to deal with and
> revere the here and now, things that we can understand. The tortuous and
> circuitous paths of redemption become too complicated for some. It is at
> that point that men and women begin to make people and activities into their
> "idols." They begin to revere these things in order to achieve shortcuts to
> their desired goal. Political leaders become the ultimate solution and
> savior, until they fail and are succeeded by another. Political parties or
> political activism become the last ray of hope needed to rush redemption
> along. *
> *
> *
> *When those fail, we are left with sadness, despondency and a sense of
> futility. That, perhaps, is one of the tests that must be endured. *
> *
> *
> *"And when the people saw that Moshe delayed to come down from the
> mountain, the people gathered themselves together to Aharon, and said to
> him, 'Make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for Moshe, the man who
> brought us out of the land of Egypt, we know not what is become of him.'" (
> Exodus 32:1)*
> *
> *
> *Aharon, Moshe's brother, stalls for time and believes that all will be
> well, as Rashi states: "In his heart he intended it should be for Heaven
> (G-d); he was certain that Moshe would arrive and they would serve the
> Omnipresent." Yet, eventually he extracts the golden calf out of the fire .
> *
> *
> *
> *"And they said, These are your gods, O Israel, which brought you up out
> of the Land of Egypt." (Exodus 32:4) *
> *
> *
> *The people of Israel were not building an idol to replace G-d. They were
> building one to replace Moshe. That is the sub-textual meaning in their
> declaration, "These are your gods, O Israel."*
> *
> *
> *They were willing to have a festival for HaShem as Aharon suggested, but
> they could not conceive of continuing their voyage towards redemption
> without Moshe, "the man who brought us out of the land of Egypt." As a
> result, in their confusion, impatience and fear they made the "man" Moshe
> almost into a god; and when he was missing they wanted to replace him with
> the golden calf.
> *
> *
> *
> *The people of Israel today cannot fall into the same trap. The lovers of
> this land need to return to the secret that has moved Jewish destiny forward
> throughout the generations. That secret is the understanding that the little
> picture is the big picture. The power to walk forward in this journey lies
> in the ability to focus on each step in the journey. It is a delicate
> balance of, on the one hand, not confusing each step with the ultimate
> destination and, on the other hand, imbuing each step on the journey with
> fervor and commitment. *
> *
> *
> *As a result, building a ramshackle synagogue on a windswept hill in
> Samaria may not herald the final resolution, but it will have great impact
> on the history of our people. Reaching out to fellow Jews on the corners of
> Tel Aviv in order to help them reconnect to their souls may seem like "too
> little and too late," yet it is actions like those that give direction to
> this long journey. Getting involved with one political party or another may
> feel like a filthy process that is injurious to one's soul, but it is one of
> the necessary steps in returning faithful government and rulership to this
> ancient nation. *
> *
> *
> *At the recent Jerusalem Conference, held under the auspices of Arutz-7,
> General Doron Almog shared the following story. *
> *
> *
> *When he was in charge of the southern region of Israel during the years
> of increased terrorism, he gave a press conference after the murder of two
> female Israeli soldiers. During the press conference, General Almog declared
> that the numbers of terror victims had "reached unbearable levels." At that
> point, he was interrupted by a senior reporter who said, "Don't you dare
> talk about unbearable levels of victims." He raised his shirt cuff and
> exposed the numbers that were tattooed onto his arm in the concentration
> camps. The older man continued to explain that he could truly describe
> unbearable numbers, yet he and his fellow survivors came to this land and
> never gave up on the struggle. That was true because destiny demanded it.*
> *
> *
> *Destiny continues to demand that this eternal people not lose courage on
> this long voyage*
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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>
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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 23:21:48 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:21:48 -0600
Subject: [Dialogue] Tudpr Parfitt on the History Channel
In-Reply-To: <d21.22b3efec.34f8d6d6@aol.com>
References: <d21.22b3efec.34f8d6d6@aol.com>
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I worked Sun. night, but will try to catch a repeat.

Kim

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:32 PM, <YoungBarzel at aol.com> wrote:

>  It's TUDOR Parfitt...sorry
>
> *Hanoch *the Lil Lion of Judah
> *Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...*
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL
> Living.<http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: YoungBarzel at aol.com
> To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:28:38 EST
> Subject: [Dialogue] Tudpr Parfitt on the History Channel
>  Shalom v'Laila tov,
>
>     For those of you with the History channel this might be interesting.
> His book is fun so far, not agreeing with his conclusions, but it is written
> in an entertaining manner.
>
>
> 8pm Sunday 2nd March documentary based on Tudor Parfitt's new book THE
> LOST ARK OF THE COVENANT
>
>
>  The existence and location of the Ark of the Covenant has remained one of
> the most enduring mysteries in archaeology. Professor Tudor Parfitt from
> London's School of Oriental and African Studies will reveal where he
> believes the Ark is. Parfitt is well-known for discovering that the Lemba
> tribe in Zimbabwe is one of the lost tribes of Israel. Follow this global
> quest-detective as he decodes ancient texts and pieces together clues.
> Ultimately he builds a picture of what he thinks the Ark looks like and
> where it is. The journey takes viewers through Israelite wars, Philistine
> shrines, Solomon's Temple and Africa to the final, critical clue which led
> Parfitt to its current location.
>
>
> *Hanoch *the Lil Lion of Judah
> *Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...*
>
> *Hanoch *the Lil Lion of Judah
> *Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...*
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL
> Living.<http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598>
>
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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 23:48:26 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:48:26 -0600
Subject: [Dialogue] About Parshat Yayak'hel
In-Reply-To: <d09.2cb7171a.34fbf448@aol.com>
References: <d09.2cb7171a.34fbf448@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803032148s38ce7e06o6d2b2ea0a0c56f4b@mail.gmail.com>

Question about last week's reading.  Why does the Torah say 6 branches on
the menorah to fill with oil  (*37:18* Six branches extended from the
menorah's sides, three on one and three on the other.) and the Haftorah says
10
(*I Kings* *7:49* And the candlesticks of pure gold, five on the right side,
and five on the left, before the oracle, with the flowers, and the lamps,
and the tongs of gold, ...)?

Kim

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:15 AM, <YoungBarzel at aol.com> wrote:

>  Shavua tov L'Kulchem,
>
>     I hope everyone had a relaxing and revitalizing Shabbat with their
> families.  Although it's one day afterwards, here's the link to an article
> that Rav Shlomo Riskin wrote about this past Shabbat's parsha (Weekly Torah
> Portion).  It's not my personal 'style,' but he has an interesting
> interpretation of things, check it out:*    *
>  *Click here: Vayak'hel: A Biblical Puzzle - Judaism - Arutz Sheva*<http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7803>
> * *
>
> *   ** *Best regards,
> *            Hanoch **the Lil Lion of Judah
> Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...*
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL
> Living.<http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598>
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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 23:57:46 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:57:46 -0600
Subject: [Dialogue] URGENT ACTION ALERT-REQUESTING SHAS PARTY RESIGNATION
In-Reply-To: <A0D22CB7D2574E04BDD72C04F85ADD6C@DickLPC>
References: <A0D22CB7D2574E04BDD72C04F85ADD6C@DickLPC>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803032157p312b72delc28af09995daf6c7@mail.gmail.com>

Done, thank you.

Kim

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Dick L <rlibby03 at maine.rr.com> wrote:

>          Hopefully this will help if they do it????  Dick L
>  *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2008 2:39 AM
> *Subject:* URGENT ACTION ALERT-REQUESTING SHAS PARTY RESIGNATION
>
>  [image: Unity Coalition for Israel]
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>
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>
> Requesting Shas Party Resignation
>
>
> *The future of Israel rests in the hands of only a few members of the
> Knesset. We applaud MK Netanyahu's statement asking Shas to resign from the
> Olmert government. (Please see the article below for details.) Join
> Netanyahu in his call for Shas to make this historic decision and prevent
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> Please read the sample letter below. It is a letter that you can send with
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> the Shas Party with copies to Prime Minister Olmert, Vice Prime Minister
> Haim Ramon, MK Rabbi Benyamin Elon, MK Dr. Arieh Eldad, MK Benjamin
> Netanyahu, MK Avigdor Liberman, Foreign Affairs Minister Tzipi Livni,
> President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.*
>
> Send this Urgent Call to Action<http://www.israelunitycoalition.org/aa/alert.php?id=20>
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> *Dear MK Yishai and All Members of the Shas Party,
>
> As we read the shenanigans of Israel's "negotiating team," friends of
> Israel in the US are shaking our heads in disbelief while the dismemberment
> of Israel is now under way.
>
> US friends cannot stand silently by watching this travesty take place. We
> call upon the Shas party to save Jerusalem and save Israel from its own
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> impending disaster.
>
> What other country is being asked to participate in its own demise by
> submitting to those who ignore history and falsely lay claim to Israel's
> God-given land?
>
> Should not the "negotiating team" demand recognition of Israel as a Jewish
> state?
>
> Should they not mention the need for Jews and Christians to live freely
> (now mostly denied) in any kind of Arab state, particularly a proposed
> Palestinian state?
>
> Should they not stand up for the rights of nearly a million Jewish
> refugees expelled from Arab countries in 1948?
>
> Should they not state and restate that Jerusalem was, is and should remain
> the eternal united capital of the Jewish people? What other country would
> even consider sharing its rightful capital with another nation, particularly
> a hostile one openly calling for its destruction?
>
> The "secret negotiations" are almost too painful to consider by those who
> truly love Israel.
>
> Israel now thrives on 22 percent of the land given to it by the British
> Mandate. 78 percent was already given to Jordan, whose population is 70
> percent Palestinian. Now Israel is being forced to divide that 22 percent.
>
> We applaud Likud Leader Netanyahu's statement asking Shas to resign from
> the Olmert government. We urgently join him in his call for Shas to make
> this historic decision and prevent this impending catastrophe.
>
> People of Israel WAKE UP! The people of the Diaspora are waiting to help
> you. We cannot again go like lambs to the slaughter.
>
> Signed,*
>
>
> Send this Urgent Call to Action<http://www.israelunitycoalition.org/aa/alert.php?id=20>
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>
>    1. Netanyahu: If it looks like a duck ... Olmert will divide
>    Jerusalem - Opposition leader accuses PM of duplicity in talks<http://www.israelunitycoalition.org/news/article.php?id=2385>,
>    Jerusalem Post, Sheera Claire Frenkel
>
> ------------------------------
>  Netanyahu: If it looks like a duck ... Olmert will divide Jerusalem -
> Opposition leader accuses PM of duplicity in talks
> Sheera Claire Frenkel
>
> Jerusalem Post, February 21, 2008
>
> The Olmert government is taking steps to divide the capital, opposition
> leader Binyamin Netanyahu said on Wednesday, and Shas must immediately leave
> the coalition to avoid contributing to the "destruction of Jerusalem."
>
> "This weak government is actively preparing to give away Jerusalem,"
> Netanyahu told the fifth annual Jerusalem Conference in the capital. "It is
> attempting to deny and whitewash the issue, but we know what is truly
> happening."
>
> Netanyahu accused Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of duplicity, saying that
> despite claims to the contrary, core issues, including Jerusalem, were being
> discussed in Palestinian-Israeli negotiations.
>
> "The prime minister said that we are not talking about Jerusalem, and that
> we are leaving it until last. But I say, if it looks like a duck, and it
> walks like a duck, then they are carving up Jerusalem," Netanyahu said.
>
> Click here <http://www.israelunitycoalition.org/news/article.php?id=2385>for the complete article, or copy and paste this link into your web browser:
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From YoungBarzel at aol.com  Tue Mar  4 04:58:57 2008
From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:58:57 EST
Subject: [Dialogue] re: Parshat Ki Tisa & who is Moshe Kempinski?  
Message-ID: <d16.2367920c.34fe8571@aol.com>

Hi Kim,
 
    Glad you liked the article by Moshe Kempinski (re: Parshat Ki Tisa).  
I've actually met him on occasions, and in addition to writing occasionally for 
Arutz - 7 (_www.israelnationalnews.com_ (http://www.israelnationalnews.com)  ) 
he owns the wonderful store  in the Rova - the Jewish Quarter - Shorashim of 
the Old City's Biblical Shop (please see the link below)
 
_Click here: Judaica, Artwork, and Jewelry from Jerusalem :: Shorashim of the 
Old City's Biblical Shop :: Home_ (http://www.shorashim.com/)   
 
He's a very bright guy, who seems to have every single Christian tour group 
stop in his store.  He's actually written a few books, attempting to reconcile 
Jews and Christians.  Originally from Canada, he and his brother sell some of 
the nicest (and coolest) stuff in Jerusalem!  I'm sure I'll continue to spend 
plenty of $'s there over the next few weeks, LOL.
 
The last time I was there (July 2006), I bought a replica of the Bar Kochba 
coin (minted by those fighting for freedom against Rome, 132-135CE), which I've 
had made into a medallion that I wear on a chain.  It's very, very cool.....
 
    Anyway, that's Moshe!
 
    Hope you're having a great week Kim - thanks for your note!
 
    Best regards,
            Hanoch 
the Lil Lion of Judah
Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...



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From creechmargie at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  4 07:40:29 2008
From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:40:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Dialogue] re:  Awesome Ross!!!
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When will Sunday, March 2, lesson be available to listen to for the ones who were unable to listen live?  Thanks     
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From loyb at prodigy.net  Tue Mar  4 15:18:29 2008
From: loyb at prodigy.net (Loy)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:18:29 -0600
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: [Dialogu who is Moshe Kempinski?  
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Hanoch and all,

I am also acquainted with Moshe and his brother. They are most interesting and delightful to say the least!!! It is a "must stop" in the old city. 

 I did find some of his wonderful gifts less expensive by far in a dati shop HaSOFER at 10 Straus Rehov....just 1+ blks up from the 4 way stop where everyone walks at the same time  at Jaffa and Strauss, where the Italian Rest. was that got blown-up by the terrorists several yrs ago....was it Sabaros'  or something like that. They are open Sun-Thrus. 10:00 - 6:30pm. Fri. 10:00 - 3:00pm Moshe Flumenbaum is the proprietor.

Go up the hill one blk cross Neviim Rehov go about 1/4 blk on right is 22 Straus .  You go thru the doorway and down the hall and it is on the right at the end. A pharmacist in 1981 told me that that is where the religions Jews buy their articles of worship. I paid in March 2006 $47.00 for a large wool, very fine quality blue and white tallit
  
.  For years this is where  I have gotten my shofars, tallits, tallit covers, mezuzot, havdalla candles, etc and now this is the shop that is so much less  than at Moshe's. or anywhere else in Yerushaliim...the anointing oil bottles with a flower growing right in the bottle ....in a nice velveteen bag with a drawstringI.  They have much more to offer than what I mentioned. 

Hanoch,  I pray you have a very safe and fruitful journey.  

Blessings, Loy Leorah  


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: YoungBarzel at aol.com 
  To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:58 AM
  Subject: [Dialogue] re: Parshat Ki Tisa & who is Moshe Kempinski? 


  Hi Kim,

      Glad you liked the article by Moshe Kempinski (re: Parshat Ki Tisa).  I've actually met him on occasions, and in addition to writing occasionally for Arutz - 7 (www.israelnationalnews.com ) he owns the wonderful store  in the Rova - the Jewish Quarter - Shorashim of the Old City's Biblical Shop (please see the link below)

  Click here: Judaica, Artwork, and Jewelry from Jerusalem :: Shorashim of the Old City's Biblical Shop :: Home  

  He's a very bright guy, who seems to have every single Christian tour group stop in his store.  He's actually written a few books, attempting to reconcile Jews and Christians.  Originally from Canada, he and his brother sell some of the nicest (and coolest) stuff in Jerusalem!  I'm sure I'll continue to spend plenty of $'s there over the next few weeks, LOL.

  The last time I was there (July 2006), I bought a replica of the Bar Kochba coin (minted by those fighting for freedom against Rome, 132-135CE), which I've had made into a medallion that I wear on a chain.  It's very, very cool.....

      Anyway, that's Moshe!

      Hope you're having a great week Kim - thanks for your note!

      Best regards,
              Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah
  Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...





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From bkgivin at charter.net  Tue Mar  4 18:48:15 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:48:15 -0600
Subject: [Dialogue] URGENT ACTION ALERT-REQUESTING SHAS PARTY RESIGNATION
In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0803032157p312b72delc28af09995daf6c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c87e5a$9bcd0440$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Behind on email, but just sent this.  Thanks, Dick.looking forward to seeing
you in April.

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

  _____  

From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of kim alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:58 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] URGENT ACTION ALERT-REQUESTING SHAS PARTY
RESIGNATION

 

Done, thank you.

Kim

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Dick L <rlibby03 at maine.rr.com> wrote:

        Hopefully this will help if they do it????  Dick L

Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:39 AM

Subject: URGENT ACTION ALERT-REQUESTING SHAS PARTY RESIGNATION

 

Unity Coalition for Israel

Editor's Note:

URGENT ACTION ALERT

Requesting Shas Party Resignation



The future of Israel rests in the hands of only a few members of the
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From dhcole1 at cox.net  Tue Mar  4 19:30:31 2008
From: dhcole1 at cox.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:30:31 -0600
Subject: [Dialogue] re:  Awesome Ross!!!
References: <451180.36869.qm@web58501.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005001c87e60$80bcb4b0$6400a8c0@davesbook>

Hey Margie.....ASAP....(as soon as possible).  I went to Temple Sinai today to get the  "file" and the computer monitor we use was blank (the monitor overheated and will need to be replaced)....back to square one......{:~(........  

Ideally  the class should be up the next day or sooner.   
dave
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  To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 7:40 AM
  Subject: [Dialogue] re: Awesome Ross!!!


  When will Sunday, March 2, lesson be available to listen to for the ones who were unable to listen live?  Thanks     
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From tmich33 at bellsouth.net  Tue Mar  4 20:54:04 2008
From: tmich33 at bellsouth.net (Tamara Michael)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:54:04 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] re:  Awesome Ross!!!
Message-ID: <030520080254.12439.47CE0B4C0002047A0000309722243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCCCC080C07039B@att.net>

Hey Dave!
I have two flat screen monitors if ya need em. : )
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From tmich33 at bellsouth.net  Tue Mar  4 21:12:08 2008
From: tmich33 at bellsouth.net (Tamara Michael)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:12:08 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
Message-ID: <030520080312.2878.47CE0F88000C7F3F00000B3E22243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCCCC080C07039B@att.net>

There are many varying opinions as to what this "mark" is.  
Revelation 13:16 (KJV) 
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

I was interested in what others think or feel just what  the Mark of the Beast is or will be. I've been doing some study on this topic and I wanted to share some thoughts with you and see what you think, but I wanted to get an idea of how you interpret this first.
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From rndavar at aol.com  Tue Mar  4 22:23:40 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?Um9zcyBOaWNob2xz?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 04:23:40 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] re:  Awesome Ross!!!
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The class is uploaded.  Love and shalom, Ross

Sorry for the brief note...I am about to go to sleep.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:30:31 
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Subject: Re: [Dialogue] re:  Awesome Ross!!!


Hey Margie.....ASAP....(as soon as possible).? I went to Temple Sinai today to?get the??"file"?and the computer monitor we use was blank (the monitor overheated and will need to be replaced)....back to square one......{:~(........? 
? 
Ideally ?the class should be up?the next day?or sooner.?? 
dave 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 7:40 AM 
Subject: [Dialogue] re: Awesome Ross!!! 

 
When will Sunday, March 2, lesson be available to listen to for?the ones?who were unable to listen live?? Thanks???? 
?????????????? Margie Creech 
 
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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar  5 08:30:27 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:30:27 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Joe Good
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For those that wish to join us.  Joe Good will be with us on Shabbat, March 22.  Joe will lead the discussion around the tri-ennial readings for the day.

Please join us, we are all sure to learn something.

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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  5 08:43:12 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:43:12 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
Message-ID: <BLU125-W238C95F1D1CCAE192CDDD0BA110@phx.gbl>


Chips implanted under the skin containing each person's identity information could deliver a controlled population to beastly enterprise.
 
Am looking forward to hearing your take on it, Tammy.
 
Pat  


From: tmich33 at bellsouth.netTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgDate: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 03:12:08 +0000Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast

There are many varying opinions as to what this "mark" is.  

Revelation 13:16 (KJV) 
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

 
I was interested in what others think or feel just what  the Mark of the Beast is or will be. I've been doing some study on this topic and I wanted to share some thoughts with you and see what you think, but I wanted to get an idea of how you interpret this first.
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From rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar  5 10:56:14 2008
From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net (Rudolph Ricciardi)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:56:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
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Hi Pat,
    The VeriChip is being used already.  What bothers me is that there have been cases where animals were implanted and it resulted in malignant tumors.  Now there is an experiment being done on Alzheimer's patients who will be given the chip without decisionmaking capacity  Guidelines were established in 1947 by the Nuremberg Code to ensure that no one is experimented against their will. There is no such oversight in this case of injecting 200 Alz. patients for the two-year experiment to study the effectiveness and safety of the implants.  makes you wonder...what the heck is going on??!!
    Also  I'm for boycottin manufacturers who "spychip" their merchandise...Levi Strauss & Co. (levi's and Dockers) and Wal-Mart.  They will not get my money ever again.  I've switched to K-mart.  RFID, Radio Frequency Identification microchips can be read silently and invisibly by radio waves...even through your clothing.  This can evolve into some huge BIG Brother issues.  IBM inventors detail how the government could use RFID tags to track people in public olaces like shopping malls, museums, libraries, sports arena, elevators, and even restrooms........There is plenty of information available about the "hand implant"  which isn't very far off.
    Love,
    Linda

patricia robbins <patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: 
      .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  {  FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }    Chips implanted under the skin containing each person's identity information could deliver a controlled population to beastly enterprise.
 
Am looking forward to hearing your take on it, Tammy.
 
Pat  


    
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  From: tmich33 at bellsouth.net
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 03:12:08 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast

    There are many varying opinions as to what this "mark" is.  
    
Revelation 13:16 (KJV) 
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    
    
  I was interested in what others think or feel just what  the Mark of the Beast is or will be. I've been doing some study on this topic and I wanted to share some thoughts with you and see what you think, but I wanted to get an idea of how you interpret this first.
  Tammy
   
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From shdennis at rogers.com  Wed Mar  5 11:38:12 2008
From: shdennis at rogers.com (Stephen & Sharon)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:38:12 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] mark of the beast question
Message-ID: <83CE54E2D2764F45A9927A5556F295F0@Beeblebrox>

  Greetings Tammy and Everyone,
May I recommend an article on the subject of the 'Mark of the Beast'  -  it is found here:  http://www.torahofmessiah.com/markofbeast.html.

The author (Bruce) examines what the Mark of God is, and then goes on to contrast that with the Mark of the Beast.   These are the verses which link the 2 'marks':

  Exodus 13:9 (NASB) 
  9 And it shall serve as a sign to you on your hand, and as a reminder on your forehead, that the law of the Lord may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the Lord brought you out of Egypt. 
  Exodus 13:16 (NRSV) 
  16 It shall serve as a sign on your hand and as an emblem on your forehead that by strength of hand the Lord brought us out of Egypt. 
  Deuteronomy 6:8 (NRSV) 
  8 Bind them as a sign on your hand, fix them as an emblem on your forehead, 
  Deuteronomy 11:18 (NRSV) 
  18 You shall put these words of mine in your heart and soul, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and fix them as an emblem on your forehead. 
compared to:

Revelation 13:16 (KJV) 
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads...


The more I have thought on this over the years, the more convinced I am that discounting and rejecting the Torah of HaShem is in fact the Mark of the Beast.   

Looking forward to hearing more input:)
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  5 12:02:53 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:02:53 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
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Thank you, Linda.  Compelling data for us to keep in mind concerning beastly enterprise.  I also find Sharon's input re the Mark of G-d wonderfully insightful.  
 
I remember Vendyl Jones saying that Revelation was originally a Kabalistic writing, tweaked by some editing monks. I really don't think its data should be taken lightly, though I know many have dismissed its relevance.
 
Pat   


Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:56:14 -0800From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.netSubject: RE: [Dialogue] Mark of the BeastTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Hi Pat,
  The VeriChip is being used already.  What bothers me is that there have been cases where animals were implanted and it resulted in malignant tumors.  Now there is an experiment being done on Alzheimer's patients who will be given the chip without decisionmaking capacity  Guidelines were established in 1947 by the Nuremberg Code to ensure that no one is experimented against their will. There is no such oversight in this case of injecting 200 Alz. patients for the two-year experiment to study the effectiveness and safety of the implants.  makes you wonder...what the heck is going on??!!
  Also  I'm for boycottin manufacturers who "spychip" their merchandise...Levi Strauss & Co. (levi's and Dockers) and Wal-Mart.  They will not get my money ever again.  I've switched to K-mart.  RFID, Radio Frequency Identification microchips can be read silently and invisibly by radio waves...even through your clothing.  This can evolve into some huge BIG Brother issues.  IBM inventors detail how the government could use RFID tags to track people in public olaces like shopping malls, museums, libraries, sports arena, elevators, and even restrooms........There is plenty of information available about the "hand implant"  which isn't very far off.
  Love,
  Lindapatricia robbins <patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: 


Chips implanted under the skin containing each person's identity information could deliver a controlled population to beastly enterprise. Am looking forward to hearing your take on it, Tammy. Pat  


From: tmich33 at bellsouth.netTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgDate: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 03:12:08 +0000Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
There are many varying opinions as to what this "mark" is.  

Revelation 13:16 (KJV) 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

 
I was interested in what others think or feel just what  the Mark of the Beast is or will be. I've been doing some study on this topic and I wanted to share some thoughts with you and see what you think, but I wanted to get an idea of how you interpret this first.
Tammy
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Shalom to all!  Linda
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From rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar  5 13:08:56 2008
From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net (Rudolph Ricciardi)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:08:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
In-Reply-To: <BLU125-W114393746543FACE6D2032BA110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <950056.80280.qm@web83315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Whether we dismiss "Revelation" or not, and I, personally tie it with a "Nostrodamus" kind -a thing, the fact is that George Bush, the father said "We will be successful in bringing about the New World Order", and the tracking  of each and every person is part of that. The term "Mark of the Beast" to me is a "copy-cat" phrase from a prophecy involving a "familiar spirit".  There is no prophecy in the Tanach that says there will be such a "mark". But an evil "system" is prophesied and we certainly are witnessing such.  Many very intelligent and "spirit filled" people would rather not talk about it, but that won't change the facts.  I think we need to be aware of man's plan, for the sake of just being aware, and then totally trust HaShem as far as His plan to allow it or destroy it.  No one can predict the outcome here. But I don't think it's "safe" to ignore the evil plan or call it "rubbish.  It has nothing to do with "Revelation".  It has to do with the reality of  a
 "G-dless" society in which we live, men with extreme visions of power, trying to create another "Tower of Babel" and rule the world...and factually their evil plan has the technology, for the first time in history, to help it along.  I do not "fear" it at all...I totally trust HaShem ..  I pray against it for the sake of all of G-d's people...Psalm 91 says it all.  Baruch HaShem!
  

patricia robbins <patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote:
      .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  {  FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }    Thank you, Linda.  Compelling data for us to keep in mind concerning beastly enterprise.  I also find Sharon's input re the Mark of G-d wonderfully insightful.  
 
I remember Vendyl Jones saying that Revelation was originally a Kabalistic writing, tweaked by some editing monks. I really don't think its data should be taken lightly, though I know many have dismissed its relevance.
 
Pat   


    
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  Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:56:14 -0800
From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net
Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org

  Hi Pat,
    The VeriChip is being used already.  What bothers me is that there have been cases where animals were implanted and it resulted in malignant tumors.  Now there is an experiment being done on Alzheimer's patients who will be given the chip without decisionmaking capacity  Guidelines were established in 1947 by the Nuremberg Code to ensure that no one is experimented against their will. There is no such oversight in this case of injecting 200 Alz. patients for the two-year experiment to study the effectiveness and safety of the implants.  makes you wonder...what the heck is going on??!!
    Also  I'm for boycottin manufacturers who "spychip" their merchandise...Levi Strauss & Co. (levi's and Dockers) and Wal-Mart.  They will not get my money ever again.  I've switched to K-mart.  RFID, Radio Frequency Identification microchips can be read silently and invisibly by radio waves...even through your clothing.  This can evolve into some huge BIG Brother issues.  IBM inventors detail how the government could use RFID tags to track people in public olaces like shopping malls, museums, libraries, sports arena, elevators, and even restrooms........There is plenty of information available about the "hand implant"  which isn't very far off.
    Love,
    Linda

patricia robbins <patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: 
      .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P  {padding:0px;}  .ExternalClass EC_body.hmmessage  {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}    Chips implanted under the skin containing each person's identity information could deliver a controlled population to beastly enterprise.
 
Am looking forward to hearing your take on it, Tammy.
 
Pat  


    
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  From: tmich33 at bellsouth.net
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 03:12:08 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast

  There are many varying opinions as to what this "mark" is.  
    
Revelation 13:16 (KJV) 
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    
    
  I was interested in what others think or feel just what  the Mark of the Beast is or will be. I've been doing some study on this topic and I wanted to share some thoughts with you and see what you think, but I wanted to get an idea of how you interpret this first.
  Tammy
   
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    Shalom to all!  Linda

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From thojfbwm at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  5 17:26:39 2008
From: thojfbwm at hotmail.com (James J Harvey)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:26:39 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
In-Reply-To: <950056.80280.qm@web83315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <BLU125-W114393746543FACE6D2032BA110@phx.gbl>
	<950056.80280.qm@web83315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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When one comes to the Book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ; the one who reads and studies the Book must remember that it is The Revelation(Unveiling, Uncovering, etc) of Jesus Christ; it is not about the anti-christ, even though antichrist is mentioned.  It is not about the dragon (Satan), even though the dragon is mentioned; it is not about the one who looks like a lamb but speaks like a dragon(false prophet) it all ties in to unveiling The Unveiling of Jesus Christ. 
 
Another thing that one needs to remember is how would the readers of John's Revelation of Jesus Christ understand the "mark of the beast"?  Who is the beast of Revelation? Another question, when was The Revelation written?  The majority view is that was written around AD 96 and thus future,(futurism); a minority view is that was written prior to AD 70 and thus describes the fall and destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple (preterism, which means that all prophecy has been fulfilled).  
 
(I know that I am probably raising more questions than giving my opinion, understanding, and view point on what was/is "the mark of the beast).  Another thing that one needs to remember also is that in The Book of Revelation there are two things that God is looking for and they are:  1.  people of the world to repent(which none of the inhabitants of Revelation did) and 2. to give glory to the God of heaven(which was only done once!)
 
Anothing thing, it is a book of judgment on a unrepentant world; it the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world by whom these judgments were given to by God.  "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne"(Revelation 5:7, KJV).  "And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:  For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"(Revelation 6:16-17, KJV).  "And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood:  which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:  Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts"(Revelation 9:20-21, KJV).
 
There is more that I could write but I will let at go at this and see what responses may come.
 
 
In Christ Jesus the Lord,
 
Jim Harvey
Camden OH 


Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:08:56 -0800From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.netSubject: RE: [Dialogue] Mark of the BeastTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Whether we dismiss "Revelation" or not, and I, personally tie it with a "Nostrodamus" kind -a thing, the fact is that George Bush, the father said "We will be successful in bringing about the New World Order", and the tracking  of each and every person is part of that. The term "Mark of the Beast" to me is a "copy-cat" phrase from a prophecy involving a "familiar spirit".  There is no prophecy in the Tanach that says there will be such a "mark". But an evil "system" is prophesied and we certainly are witnessing such.  Many very intelligent and "spirit filled" people would rather not talk about it, but that won't change the facts.  I think we need to be aware of man's plan, for the sake of just being aware, and then totally trust HaShem as far as His plan to allow it or destroy it.  No one can predict the outcome here. But I don't think it's "safe" to ignore the evil plan or call it "rubbish.  It has nothing to do with "Revelation".  It has to do with the reality of  a "G-dless" society in which we live, men with extreme visions of power, trying to create another "Tower of Babel" and rule the world...and factually their evil plan has the technology, for the first time in history, to help it along.  I do not "fear" it at all...I totally trust HaShem ..  I pray against it for the sake of all of G-d's people...Psalm 91 says it all.  Baruch HaShem!
patricia robbins <patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote:


Thank you, Linda.  Compelling data for us to keep in mind concerning beastly enterprise.  I also find Sharon's input re the Mark of G-d wonderfully insightful.   I remember Vendyl Jones saying that Revelation was originally a Kabalistic writing, tweaked by some editing monks. I really don't think its data should be taken lightly, though I know many have dismissed its relevance. Pat   


Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:56:14 -0800From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.netSubject: RE: [Dialogue] Mark of the BeastTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Hi Pat,
  The VeriChip is being used already.  What bothers me is that there have been cases where animals were implanted and it resulted in malignant tumors.  Now there is an experiment being done on Alzheimer's patients who will be given the chip without decisionmaking capacity  Guidelines were established in 1947 by the Nuremberg Code to ensure that no one is experimented against their will. There is no such oversight in this case of injecting 200 Alz. patients for the two-year experiment to study the effectiveness and safety of the implants.  makes you wonder...what the heck is going on??!!
  Also  I'm for boycottin manufacturers who "spychip" their merchandise...Levi Strauss & Co. (levi's and Dockers) and Wal-Mart.  They will not get my money ever again.  I've switched to K-mart.  RFID, Radio Frequency Identification microchips can be read silently and invisibly by radio waves...even through your clothing.  This can evolve into some huge BIG Brother issues.  IBM inventors detail how the government could use RFID tags to track people in public olaces like shopping malls, museums, libraries, sports arena, elevators, and even restrooms........There is plenty of information available about the "hand implant"  which isn't very far off.
  Love,
  Lindapatricia robbins <patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: 


Chips implanted under the skin containing each person's identity information could deliver a controlled population to beastly enterprise. Am looking forward to hearing your take on it, Tammy. Pat  


From: tmich33 at bellsouth.netTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgDate: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 03:12:08 +0000Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
There are many varying opinions as to what this "mark" is.  

Revelation 13:16 (KJV) 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

 
I was interested in what others think or feel just what  the Mark of the Beast is or will be. I've been doing some study on this topic and I wanted to share some thoughts with you and see what you think, but I wanted to get an idea of how you interpret this first.
Tammy
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  5 17:37:09 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:37:09 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
Message-ID: <BLU125-W27226C775C9453D96C99AEBA110@phx.gbl>


Linda, you raise an interesting point.  The "mark of the beast" is not found in the Tenach.  However, as Sharon said, there is a mark of G-d in the wrist and forehead, though not called that in the Tenach either.
 
This is speculation, of course, but it is possible that the writer of Revelation could have been referencing a counter-mark to that of HaShem.  One which identified the bearer as belonging to a world system, as opposed to belonging to G-d.  I see what could be such a system described by Zechariah's's "woman in the ephah," Chapter 5.  To me, that symbol  could well represent an effort to control commerce, since an ephah (or efa) was used to measure grain.  Both Lev. 19:36 and Ezek. 45:10 speak of having "a just ephah."  And Amos 8:5 speaks of unjust commerce in "making the ephah small."
 
I don't know how much credence to put on Revelation, but it does seem to be referencing Daniel, Zechariah and other books of the Tenach, which could be helpful in our understanding of End Time events.  I really don't know.  If there is a plan to quite literally enslave the world by economic control, using a chip implanted in the arm, that not only tracks a person, but enables or disables him to conduct commerce, that's pretty close to what Revelation says.  Maybe this is just hype and there really is no danger from that quarter.  However, it has always been my contention that a little paranoia will work for ya!!!!!
 
I find what you've written very interesting, and appreciate what you've shared with us.  I'm very much looking forward to Tammy's (and others) take on this subject as well.     
 
Love to all,
 
Pat
 
 
 


Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:08:56 -0800From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.netSubject: RE: [Dialogue] Mark of the BeastTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Whether we dismiss "Revelation" or not, and I, personally tie it with a "Nostrodamus" kind -a thing, the fact is that George Bush, the father said "We will be successful in bringing about the New World Order", and the tracking  of each and every person is part of that. The term "Mark of the Beast" to me is a "copy-cat" phrase from a prophecy involving a "familiar spirit".  There is no prophecy in the Tanach that says there will be such a "mark". But an evil "system" is prophesied and we certainly are witnessing such.  Many very intelligent and "spirit filled" people would rather not talk about it, but that won't change the facts.  I think we need to be aware of man's plan, for the sake of just being aware, and then totally trust HaShem as far as His plan to allow it or destroy it.  No one can predict the outcome here. But I don't think it's "safe" to ignore the evil plan or call it "rubbish.  It has nothing to do with "Revelation".  It has to do with the reality of  a "G-dless" society in which we live, men with extreme visions of power, trying to create another "Tower of Babel" and rule the world...and factually their evil plan has the technology, for the first time in history, to help it along.  I do not "fear" it at all...I totally trust HaShem ..  I pray against it for the sake of all of G-d's people...Psalm 91 says it all.  Baruch HaShem!
patricia robbins <patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote:


Thank you, Linda.  Compelling data for us to keep in mind concerning beastly enterprise.  I also find Sharon's input re the Mark of G-d wonderfully insightful.   I remember Vendyl Jones saying that Revelation was originally a Kabalistic writing, tweaked by some editing monks. I really don't think its data should be taken lightly, though I know many have dismissed its relevance. Pat   


Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:56:14 -0800From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.netSubject: RE: [Dialogue] Mark of the BeastTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Hi Pat,
  The VeriChip is being used already.  What bothers me is that there have been cases where animals were implanted and it resulted in malignant tumors.  Now there is an experiment being done on Alzheimer's patients who will be given the chip without decisionmaking capacity  Guidelines were established in 1947 by the Nuremberg Code to ensure that no one is experimented against their will. There is no such oversight in this case of injecting 200 Alz. patients for the two-year experiment to study the effectiveness and safety of the implants.  makes you wonder...what the heck is going on??!!
  Also  I'm for boycottin manufacturers who "spychip" their merchandise...Levi Strauss & Co. (levi's and Dockers) and Wal-Mart.  They will not get my money ever again.  I've switched to K-mart.  RFID, Radio Frequency Identification microchips can be read silently and invisibly by radio waves...even through your clothing.  This can evolve into some huge BIG Brother issues.  IBM inventors detail how the government could use RFID tags to track people in public olaces like shopping malls, museums, libraries, sports arena, elevators, and even restrooms........There is plenty of information available about the "hand implant"  which isn't very far off.
  Love,
  Lindapatricia robbins <patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: 


Chips implanted under the skin containing each person's identity information could deliver a controlled population to beastly enterprise. Am looking forward to hearing your take on it, Tammy. Pat  


From: tmich33 at bellsouth.netTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgDate: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 03:12:08 +0000Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
There are many varying opinions as to what this "mark" is.  

Revelation 13:16 (KJV) 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

 
I was interested in what others think or feel just what  the Mark of the Beast is or will be. I've been doing some study on this topic and I wanted to share some thoughts with you and see what you think, but I wanted to get an idea of how you interpret this first.
Tammy
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Shalom to all!  Linda_______________________________________________

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From chattertonw at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar  5 19:19:08 2008
From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (chattertonw at bellsouth.net)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:19:08 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
Message-ID: <030620080119.24164.47CF468C00044FC900005E6422216125569B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net>

Concerning the true Seal (Mark) of YHVH, as opposed to the counterfeit of the Beast:

And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. Ezekiel 9:4-6
 
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.  And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. Revelation 7:2-3, 9:4

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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  5 20:01:40 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 21:01:40 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
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Excellent Scriptures, Glenn. Right on the MARK!!!!  Thank you!


From: chattertonw at bellsouth.netTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgSubject: RE: [Dialogue] Mark of the BeastDate: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 01:19:08 +0000


Concerning the true Seal (Mark) of YHVH, as opposed to the counterfeit of the Beast:
 
And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. Ezekiel 9:4-6
 
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.  And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. Revelation 7:2-3, 9:4
 
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From tmich33 at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar  5 20:25:42 2008
From: tmich33 at bellsouth.net (Tamara Michael)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:25:42 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
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Wow! Looks like we've touched on a very interesting subject matter. I have to wait until Sunday to give my thoughts as I have a big Dulcimer Festival starting tomorrw in Port Allen, La. and I'm one of the board members (worker). Thanks for all the wonderful responses, I look forward to hearing more from all of you.
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Thu Mar  6 18:48:22 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 18:48:22 -0600
Subject: [Dialogue] Something to think about re: Parshat Ki Tisa
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Message-ID: <007501c87fec$f1d44950$643c66c9@bettygivin>

I am very behind on me emails too, Kim, but I agree, this is a great
article!  Thanks so much for sending it, Hanoch!   I was struck by the
phrase in the beginning of the second paragraph."These more committed and
usually passion-filled people are feeling their spark being dimmed." And the
concluding phrase." Destiny continues to demand that this eternal people not
lose courage on this long voyage"

 

One of the phrases in the prayer that I recite every Friday night after I
kindle my Shabbat candles is especially meaningful and connected to this
phrase.perhaps we could all join together in praying in.it is simply a
request for all of Hashem's children everywhere, and I think it especially
applies to our brothers and sisters in Israel today.  It says.

 

"May the glow of our faces never be dimmed.  Please show us the glow of Your
Face, HaShem and we will be saved!"

 

Thanks again for all your emails and encouragement and support for all of us
Hanoch, in the midst of your busy schedule!  

 

You are much loved and appreciated!

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of kim alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:16 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Something to think about re: Parshat Ki Tisa

 

Very behind on my emails, but this is a great article, Hanoch!  Who is Moshe
Kempinski?

Kim

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, <YoungBarzel at aol.com> wrote:

Shabbat shalom chaverim yikarim,

 

    An interesting article below, something to think about over Shabbat.
Hope you and your families have a restful, rejuvenating and fulfilling
Shabbat.

        Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah
Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...

 


Ki Tisa: The Convoluted Road


16 Adar 5768, 22 February 08 11:22

by Moshe Kempinski

(IsraelNN.com) 

The "Land of Israel faithful" are still suffering from the post-expulsion
malaise. The impact of the cruel and senseless "disengagement" and the
brutality of Amona that followed have created deep wounds in the body and
psyche of those motivated by the destiny of this nation. The fact that the
many in Israel who have lost faith continue to flounder without direction is
not surprising. There are many others who continue to be anchored in the
roots of their past and continue to feel the pull and yearning of their
destiny. Yet, the fact that those people too are feeling somewhat lost is
much more concerning. 

 

These more committed and usually passion-filled people are feeling their
spark being dimmed. They view the failed leadership of this country and then
look at the possible alternatives with a resigned "anything is better than
Olmert" approach. Ominous signs seem to be lurking all around this land. The
horizon seems to be covered with darkening and threatening clouds. The
cancer of selfishness and violence seems to be eating away at the edges of
society, and spreads its tentacles into the very heart of Israel's schools.

 

As a result, many conversations and encounters between the activists of past
struggles usually revolve around a sense of futility and impotence. Every
thought or new idea that is raised usually gets dismissed with a comment
similar to "we've been there" or "we've done that." The Internet talkbacks
are usually filled with innocuous advice that demands violent action and
revolution. It is interesting to note that most of these comments come from
people who do not live in the land of Israel .People who have never had the
courage or faith to live with the consequences of their suggestions and
ideas. 

 

Yet, while the sense of morass is understandable, it comes out of mistaken
expectations. 

 

Man has a tendency to get so focused on his desired solutions that he loses
faith in, and patience with, the process of achieving that solution.
Sometimes, we are so focused on the destination that we forget the journey.
We are so clear on where we want to get to that we judge the methods of
getting there by how instantly they can achieve success. 

 

We have a deep sense of the awesome power of redemption, yet it seems its
very awesomeness makes it almost intangible. We prefer to deal with and
revere the here and now, things that we can understand. The tortuous and
circuitous paths of redemption become too complicated for some. It is at
that point that men and women begin to make people and activities into their
"idols." They begin to revere these things in order to achieve shortcuts to
their desired goal. Political leaders become the ultimate solution and
savior, until they fail and are succeeded by another. Political parties or
political activism become the last ray of hope needed to rush redemption
along. 

 

When those fail, we are left with sadness, despondency and a sense of
futility. That, perhaps, is one of the tests that must be endured. 

 

"And when the people saw that Moshe delayed to come down from the mountain,
the people gathered themselves together to Aharon, and said to him, 'Make us
gods, which shall go before us; for as for Moshe, the man who brought us out
of the land of Egypt, we know not what is become of him.'" ( Exodus 32:1)

 

Aharon, Moshe's brother, stalls for time and believes that all will be well,
as Rashi states: "In his heart he intended it should be for Heaven (G-d); he
was certain that Moshe would arrive and they would serve the Omnipresent."
Yet, eventually he extracts the golden calf out of the fire . 

 

"And they said, These are your gods, O Israel, which brought you up out of
the Land of Egypt." (Exodus 32:4) 

 

The people of Israel were not building an idol to replace G-d. They were
building one to replace Moshe. That is the sub-textual meaning in their
declaration, "These are your gods, O Israel."

 

They were willing to have a festival for HaShem as Aharon suggested, but
they could not conceive of continuing their voyage towards redemption
without Moshe, "the man who brought us out of the land of Egypt." As a
result, in their confusion, impatience and fear they made the "man" Moshe
almost into a god; and when he was missing they wanted to replace him with
the golden calf. 

 

The people of Israel today cannot fall into the same trap. The lovers of
this land need to return to the secret that has moved Jewish destiny forward
throughout the generations. That secret is the understanding that the little
picture is the big picture. The power to walk forward in this journey lies
in the ability to focus on each step in the journey. It is a delicate
balance of, on the one hand, not confusing each step with the ultimate
destination and, on the other hand, imbuing each step on the journey with
fervor and commitment. 

 

As a result, building a ramshackle synagogue on a windswept hill in Samaria
may not herald the final resolution, but it will have great impact on the
history of our people. Reaching out to fellow Jews on the corners of Tel
Aviv in order to help them reconnect to their souls may seem like "too
little and too late," yet it is actions like those that give direction to
this long journey. Getting involved with one political party or another may
feel like a filthy process that is injurious to one's soul, but it is one of
the necessary steps in returning faithful government and rulership to this
ancient nation. 

 

At the recent Jerusalem Conference, held under the auspices of Arutz-7,
General Doron Almog shared the following story. 

 

When he was in charge of the southern region of Israel during the years of
increased terrorism, he gave a press conference after the murder of two
female Israeli soldiers. During the press conference, General Almog declared
that the numbers of terror victims had "reached unbearable levels." At that
point, he was interrupted by a senior reporter who said, "Don't you dare
talk about unbearable levels of victims." He raised his shirt cuff and
exposed the numbers that were tattooed onto his arm in the concentration
camps. The older man continued to explain that he could truly describe
unbearable numbers, yet he and his fellow survivors came to this land and
never gave up on the struggle. That was true because destiny demanded it.

 

Destiny continues to demand that this eternal people not lose courage on
this long voyage





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From bkgivin at charter.net  Thu Mar  6 19:05:47 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:05:47 -0600
Subject: [Dialogue] About Parshat Yayak'hel
In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0803032148s38ce7e06o6d2b2ea0a0c56f4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008301c87fef$60ddd080$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Excellent question, Kim!  I have never noticed this before! Interesting to
say the least with the five and the five adding up to 10.  Naturally my
thoughts go to the number 10 and the connection between the 10 tribes. King
Solomon does later in chapter 8 pray a beautiful prayer which seems to be a
prayer for the ones taken into Assyrian captivity and perhaps is layered
with a time in the future as well because he speaks of a "return" and the
blessings that would follow those whose hearts return to HaShem and pray
towards Jerusalem and the temple.

 

Any thoughts anyone?

 

Love and Blessings,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of kim alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:48 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] About Parshat Yayak'hel

 

Question about last week's reading.  Why does the Torah say 6 branches on
the menorah to fill with oil  (37:18 Six branches extended from the
menorah's sides, three on one and three on the other.) and the Haftorah says
10 
(I Kings 7:49 And the candlesticks of pure gold, five on the right side, and
five on the left, before the oracle, with the flowers, and the lamps, and
the tongs of gold, ...)?

Kim

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 6:15 AM, <YoungBarzel at aol.com> wrote:

Shavua tov L'Kulchem,

 

    I hope everyone had a relaxing and revitalizing Shabbat with their
families.  Although it's one day afterwards, here's the link to an article
that Rav Shlomo Riskin wrote about this past Shabbat's parsha (Weekly Torah
Portion).  It's not my personal 'style,' but he has an interesting
interpretation of things, check it out:    

 <http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7803> Click here:
Vayak'hel: A Biblical Puzzle - Judaism - Arutz Sheva 

 

    Best regards,

            Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah
Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...





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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Thu Mar  6 22:24:05 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:24:05 -0800
Subject: [Dialogue] What are we to repent of?
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From YoungBarzel at aol.com  Fri Mar  7 14:25:28 2008
From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 15:25:28 EST
Subject: [Dialogue] Shabbat Shalom, and I will be in touch!
Message-ID: <be8.2be18bf5.3502feb8@aol.com>

 
Chaverim Yikarim,
 
    Shabbat is fast approaching, but I wanted to send out a quick note before 
I leave for Israel (Sunday AM), and am sure I will be very, very busy 
Saturday night (shopping, packing and now - competing an assignment for work that 
they just called to tell me they needed....), so I don't know how much time I'll 
have to write then.
 
    The apartment in Jerusalem that I'm renting has a wireless connection, 
and Kyra has a laptop (now, I'm really glad I bought her that!), so I hope to be 
able to be in touch with you folks while I'm in Israel.  Lots of meetings 
planned, lots of things to do.....this WILL be a very interesting trip for me, on 
many, many levels.  I pray that HaShem guide me, every step of the way...
 
    Take care everyone, and have a Shabbat Shalom!
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From house_of_danner at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  8 08:17:01 2008
From: house_of_danner at yahoo.com (Pamela JD Rogers)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 06:17:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland
Message-ID: <723103.92819.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Shabbat Shalom,

Sorry it took me so long to respond.  It has been years since I discovered this site.  I had to locate my hard copy to find it again.
www.cryaloud.com  The author gives a convincing argument; although I confess, I have not troubled to verify the evidence myself.  I threw away a lot of printed material over the years but....a tribe referred to as Tuatha de Danaan by the Old Irish kept surfacing here and there as a possible remnant of Israel.

Pamela
May the Lord our G-d bless and keep us.







----- Original Message ----
From: "YoungBarzel at aol.com" <YoungBarzel at aol.com>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:50:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland

     Shalom Pamela - 
  
     Thanks so much for your note, and yes, I would enjoy seeing those sites you mentioned.  I too, have been very involved in researching the Lost Tribes "movement" (or ideology, as some might call it) for 15 years.  Although I'm coming from a different place then most of this group (being Jewish), we're all here together, because we're being called together again...to go back to Torah...
  
     More on that when I'm not so sleepy though.  :-)  Thanks again for your note; looking forward to your posting that information.
  
     Best regards,
         Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah
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From house_of_danner at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  8 08:22:48 2008
From: house_of_danner at yahoo.com (Pamela JD Rogers)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 06:22:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland
Message-ID: <512437.96725.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Shabbat Shalom Steve,

You are correct.   : )  www.cryaloud.com   
 
May the Lord our G-d bless and keep us.


 
----- Original Message ----
From: Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 10:49:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland

Pam, 

Thank you for making the sites available to all of us re the dispersmentof Israel in the British Isles as traced by tartans.  Am mostinterested. Thank you also for saying "Scots-Irish," instead of"Scotch-Irish," which refers to a drink.  I understandScots call themselves "Scotsman and Scot," instead of"Scotchman." Please correct me if I am wrong in this. 

Steve



At 11:41 PM 3/2/2008, you wrote:
Shalom Hanock,

I married into it.  Husband is, as they say, Scots-Irish. Tartan's are regarded as an identity.  Mostly, your clanassociation.  
Americans wear plaids irrespective of clan ties, but in the Celticcountries it would be considered in poor form to do so.  There areestablished protocol for altering the clan tartan and coa.  Theplace to start would be the official world registry of tartans.

My research for the 10 lost tribes of Israel began near 15 yearsago.  It lead me to a number of sites where authors declaredIsrael's dispersement through the British Isles.  I'll share thosewith you if you like.

I'll close for now.

May the Lord our God bless and keep us.

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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Sat Mar  8 09:24:26 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:24:26 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Shabbat Shalom, and I will be in touch!
Message-ID: <030820081524.4605.47D2AFA9000EB908000011FD22230703729B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net>

Have a safe and fruitful trip brother.

May HaShem guide your steps and keep you safe.

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 


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Chaverim Yikarim,

    Shabbat is fast approaching, but I wanted to send out a quick note before I leave for Israel (Sunday AM), and am sure I will be very, very busy Saturday night (shopping, packing and now - competing an assignment for work that they just called to tell me they needed....), so I don't know how much time I'll have to write then.

    The apartment in Jerusalem that I'm renting has a wireless connection, and Kyra has a laptop (now, I'm really glad I bought her that!), so I hope to be able to be in touch with you folks while I'm in Israel.  Lots of meetings planned, lots of things to do.....this WILL be a very interesting trip for me, on many, many levels.  I pray that HaShem guide me, every step of the way...

    Take care everyone, and have a Shabbat Shalom!
                Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah
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From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com  Sat Mar  8 18:03:25 2008
From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:03:25 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] .mark of the beast question
In-Reply-To: <83CE54E2D2764F45A9927A5556F295F0@Beeblebrox>
References: <83CE54E2D2764F45A9927A5556F295F0@Beeblebrox>
Message-ID: <8364410D08C5422584369D6E8A1A89CA@DickLPC>

       Loved this one Sharon!  Dick L
  .Subject: [Dialogue] mark of the beast question


    Greetings Tammy and Everyone,
  May I recommend an article on the subject of the 'Mark of the Beast'  -  it is found here:  http://www.torahofmessiah.com/markofbeast.html.

  The author (Bruce) examines what the Mark of God is, and then goes on to contrast that with the Mark of the Beast.   These are the verses which link the 2 'marks':
     
    Exodus 13:9 (NASB) 
    9 And it shall serve as a sign to you on your hand, and as a reminder on your forehead, that the law of the Lord may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the Lord brought you out of Egypt. 
    Exodus 13:16 (NRSV) 
    16 It shall serve as a sign on your hand and as an emblem on your forehead that by strength of hand the Lord brought us out of Egypt. 
    Deuteronomy 6:8 (NRSV) 
    8 Bind them as a sign on your hand, fix them as an emblem on your forehead, 
    Deuteronomy 11:18 (NRSV) 
    18 You shall put these words of mine in your heart and soul, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and fix them as an emblem on your forehead. 
  compared to:

  Revelation 13:16 (KJV) 
  16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads...


  The more I have thought on this over the years, the more convinced I am that discounting and rejecting the Torah of HaShem is in fact the Mark of the Beast.   

  Looking forward to hearing more input:)
  Sharon


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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  8 19:26:22 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:26:22 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] .mark of the beast question
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	<8364410D08C5422584369D6E8A1A89CA@DickLPC>
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Wonderful, Sharon!  I think you are right!  ~ Pat  


From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.comTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgDate: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:03:25 -0500Subject: [Dialogue] .mark of the beast question



       Loved this one Sharon!  Dick L

.Subject: [Dialogue] mark of the beast question


Greetings Tammy and Everyone,
May I recommend an article on the subject of the 'Mark of the Beast'  -  it is found here:  http://www.torahofmessiah.com/markofbeast.html.
 
The author (Bruce) examines what the Mark of God is, and then goes on to contrast that with the Mark of the Beast.   These are the verses which link the 2 'marks':


Exodus 13:9 (NASB) 
9 And it shall serve as a sign to you on your hand, and as a reminder on your forehead, that the law of the Lord may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the Lord brought you out of Egypt. 

Exodus 13:16 (NRSV) 
16 It shall serve as a sign on your hand and as an emblem on your forehead that by strength of hand the Lord brought us out of Egypt. 

Deuteronomy 6:8 (NRSV) 
8 Bind them as a sign on your hand, fix them as an emblem on your forehead, 

Deuteronomy 11:18 (NRSV) 
18 You shall put these words of mine in your heart and soul, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and fix them as an emblem on your forehead. 
compared to:
 

Revelation 13:16 (KJV) 
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads...
 
 
The more I have thought on this over the years, the more convinced I am that discounting and rejecting the Torah of HaShem is in fact the Mark of the Beast.   
 
Looking forward to hearing more input:)
Sharon



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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sat Mar  8 23:59:21 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 23:59:21 -0600
Subject: [Dialogue] Shabbat Shalom, and I will be in touch!
In-Reply-To: <030820081524.4605.47D2AFA9000EB908000011FD22230703729B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c881aa$b8a8c1f0$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Yes, I ditto John's words, Hanoch. I am so happy that you are finally
getting to make this trip and be with your Kyra as well.  It will be great
to hear from you "from the land."  May you carry our love and our prayers go
with you.

 

Love and Blessings to you,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of
carlson_john at bellsouth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:24 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Shabbat Shalom, and I will be in touch!

 

Have a safe and fruitful trip brother.

 

May HaShem guide your steps and keep you safe.

 

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 

 

-------------- Original message from YoungBarzel at aol.com: -------------- 

Chaverim Yikarim,

 

    Shabbat is fast approaching, but I wanted to send out a quick note
before I leave for Israel (Sunday AM), and am sure I will be very, very busy
Saturday night (shopping, packing and now - competing an assignment for work
that they just called to tell me they needed....), so I don't know how much
time I'll have to write then.

 

    The apartment in Jerusalem that I'm renting has a wireless connection,
and Kyra has a laptop (now, I'm really glad I bought her that!), so I hope
to be able to be in touch with you folks while I'm in Israel.  Lots of
meetings planned, lots of things to do.....this WILL be a very interesting
trip for me, on many, many levels.  I pray that HaShem guide me, every step
of the way...

 

    Take care everyone, and have a Shabbat Shalom!

                Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah
Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...






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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sun Mar  9 09:47:33 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:47:33 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?
Message-ID: <000b01c881f4$82a73a60$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Thanks, Steve, for posing this thought-provoking question; for how can we
repent if we do not know what it is that we are to repent of?  You always
come up with some good and relevant discussion questions, and I thank you.

 

John, I think you are right on!  And connected to the two is the
warning/statement in Hosea 6:4, "My people perish for lack of knowledge."
May we always continue to keep our eyes and ears open and never think we
'have arrived,' or 'know all there is to know.'  It has often been stated
and I think it is so true, that "the more we learn, the more we realize just
how much we don't know."  May we continue to dedicate ourselves to both the
study and the application of Torah and spreading love of HaShem in our
lives, as is advocated in the SHEMA! 

 

Thanks, John for you diligence and your dedication in all that you do for
Roots of Faith; and to all of you others involved, including those involved
in UIWU.   I am sorry that I have not been able to more active and
encouraging to you and to others on the list; my personal life has become
intensely complicated and it has left me exhausted and feeling like I don't
have much to contribute; but in the midst of it all, I still know who my G-d
is and that I have been richly blessed.  I will try to do better because I
think it is so very important, especially in these last days that we speak
to one another and share.  Life is hard.  May we never lose the glow of our
faces and the sparks in our spirits that the Holy One has endowed us with!

 

As we said yesterday in our synagogue services when we finished the book of
Exodus (annual cycle), "Chazak, chazak, v'neit chazak!"  Be strong, be
strong, and let us strengthen one another!"

 

Shavua tov to you and all,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

P.S.  I am hoping to catch Joe Good this pm on the pod cast.  I have been
unable to tune in lately, and know that I have missed a lot of wonderful
teaching as a result. My heart and prayers are still with all of you guys
down there in LA!  You are doing an amazing work.  I am hoping to see many
of you in Charlotte for our UIWU April meeting.

 

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Apathy and idolatry.

 

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 

 

-------------- Original message from Steve Mathe <Shenabav at dslextreme.com>:
-------------- 

Gang, 

For the last 2700 years we of the Ten Tribes have been in prisons of
spiritual darkness.  Isaiah prophesies that the people of the isles were
to be hidden in prison houses, i.e. mindsets that keep them imprisoned
where none says,  be restored, / be brought back. (Isa. 42:7, 22). The
proscribed period of spiritual captivity was an extension of the sentence
we served starting with our prisoner-of-war captivity by the Assyrians and
extended for the next 2700 years over our history of spreading into the
Western regions (extremities, islands and coasts) of the world. Till our
awakening today, none called for true repentance because no one knew of what
we were to repent and to what we were to return. Now, for some the
"appointed time," the sentence" of our spiritual captivity is up, and we are
touched by the new wave of spiritual awakening that G-d has sent into the
world. (Isa. 40:2).  

My question I invite all to think and contribute to is;

What are we (returnees), to repent of?

Thank you for giving this some serious thought and sharing with the group? 
Shabbat Shalom, 
Steve

 

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sun Mar  9 10:01:03 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:01:03 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland
In-Reply-To: <723103.92819.qm@web33602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001601c881f6$64f3b410$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Thank-you, Pamela for this info and your other postings regarding the
Scots-Irish.  I may have been one of the ones who had gotten the terminology
wrong.  As I mentioned before, I had always heard growing up that James and
I  were part Scots-Irish; but I have never been able to find out anymore.
Our grandmother on my mother's side was named Nora.  Her maiden name was
Wright and one generation back was Bell.  She married a Woods who was part
Cherokee.  Our dad's side was the old "Bohemia" or Czech Republic, so I
think that we are quite a mix!

 

My husband, Roger, definitely has some Scots-Irish in his blood.  His name
Givin, we understand used to be McGivin.  His mom has that gorgeous fiery
red hair and those rosy cheeks that are so much a part of that culture.

 

Anyway, thanks.  I looked briefly at the website and hope to be able to
check into it more as time permits.  I have always heard that some of the
Danites, from the tribe of Dan, did settle in Ireland.  

 

Whether we all find out our roots or not, I firmly believe that we can rest
assured that HaShem knows each and every one of us and "not a grain" will be
lost!

 

A very belated welcome to our dialogue list, Pamela, and thank-you for
sharing!

 

Blessings and Shavua tov (have a good week!),

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Pamela JD Rogers
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:17 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland

 

Shabbat Shalom,

Sorry it took me so long to respond.  It has been years since I discovered
this site.  I had to locate my hard copy to find it again.
www.cryaloud.com  The author gives a convincing argument; although I
confess, I have not troubled to verify the evidence myself.  I threw away a
lot of printed material over the years but....a tribe referred to as Tuatha
de Danaan by the Old Irish kept surfacing here and there as a possible
remnant of Israel.

Pamela
May the Lord our G-d bless and keep us.








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From: "YoungBarzel at aol.com" <YoungBarzel at aol.com>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:50:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Requesting your help - Tartans from Scotland

Shalom Pamela - 

 

    Thanks so much for your note, and yes, I would enjoy seeing those sites
you mentioned.  I too, have been very involved in researching the Lost
Tribes "movement" (or ideology, as some might call it) for 15 years.
Although I'm coming from a different place then most of this group (being
Jewish), we're all here together, because we're being called together
again...to go back to Torah...

 

    More on that when I'm not so sleepy though.  :-)  Thanks again for your
note; looking forward to your posting that information.

 

    Best regards,

        Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  9 21:47:05 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:47:05 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Thank you, Ross.
Message-ID: <BLU125-W353F54042DB0119DD79A4CBA0E0@phx.gbl>


I got in too late to hear the entire broadcast tonight, but what I did hear was so wonderful, Ross.  I hope to get to listen to your teaching in its entirety later this week.
 
Thank you so much for your faithfulness to G-d's word.
 
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  9 22:42:47 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:42:47 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?
Message-ID: <BLU125-W286CD1BC795ECB45161279BA0E0@phx.gbl>


Such a great question, Steve!  I wanted to wait and see what some others would write concerning this subject.  John said it quite succinctly: apathy and idolatry.  Betty certainly hit the nail on the head with Hosea 6:4.  We do perish for a lack of knowledge.  That lack of knowledge can be blamed upon the fact that we inherited the lies of our fathers,  as Jeremiah 16:19 states.  But just because we were handed down lies, doesn't excuse our acceptance of them.  We are responsible before HaShem to study to show ourselves approved, to rightly divide the Word of Truth. Many Rabbis are saying that we have entered the long-awaited Time of the End.  It is at this Time that we can expect the arrival of Elijah, whom the L-RD is sending to get us back on the right track.  Elijah will show us the Ancient Path of HaShem's chosen servants, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.   Elijah will unite our heart with theirs.   I think one of the big clues pertaining to the answer to your question is the fact that Elijah is returning to help us again.  We need to look at what he did the first time around to get an idea of what he will do this time.  The first time he was sent to the Northern Kingdom, the House of Israel.  He came to challenge the Prophets of Baal, who were teaching lies.  "Baal" simply means Lord.  The Northern Tribes were worshipping HaShem, but they were also worshipping another god alongside Him, whom they referred to as their Lord.  What was Elijah's message to the Northern Kingdom?  He declared to them:
 
How long will you go limping between two opinions?  If the LORD (YHVH) be GOD, follow Him:  but if Baal (the Lord), then follow him.         I Kings: 18:21
 
I think those of us who are of the Lost Tribes (and none of us can say for certain that we are not!) can and must apply that message to ourselves today just as strongly as it was applied to our forefathers over 2,800 years ago.  Although they repented because of Elijah's message, they again turned to the idolatry they loved, and began worshipping again the Lord alongside the L-RD.  For this reason they (we) have been exiled, and held in captivity till this very day.
So, what are we to repent of?  We are to repent of following the lies of our fathers, because we have loved those lies just as they did.  We are to repent of worshipping another god.  But we are also to repent of having unjustly caused a righteous Jewish Teacher, from the kingly lineage of David, to be worshipped as G-d Himself. 
 
For these sins and many others as well, I repent.
 
Pat
 


From: bkgivin at charter.netTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgDate: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:47:33 -0500Subject: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?








Thanks, Steve, for posing this thought-provoking question; for how can we repent if we do not know what it is that we are to repent of?  You always come up with some good and relevant discussion questions, and I thank you.
 
John, I think you are right on!  And connected to the two is the warning/statement in Hosea 6:4, ?My people perish for lack of knowledge.?  May we always continue to keep our eyes and ears open and never think we ?have arrived,? or ?know all there is to know.?  It has often been stated and I think it is so true, that ?the more we learn, the more we realize just how much we don?t know.?  May we continue to dedicate ourselves to both the study and the application of Torah and spreading love of HaShem in our lives, as is advocated in the SHEMA! 
 
Thanks, John for you diligence and your dedication in all that you do for Roots of Faith; and to all of you others involved, including those involved in UIWU.   I am sorry that I have not been able to more active and encouraging to you and to others on the list; my personal life has become intensely complicated and it has left me exhausted and feeling like I don?t have much to contribute; but in the midst of it all, I still know who my G-d is and that I have been richly blessed.  I will try to do better because I think it is so very important, especially in these last days that we speak to one another and share.  Life is hard.  May we never lose the glow of our faces and the sparks in our spirits that the Holy One has endowed us with!
 
As we said yesterday in our synagogue services when we finished the book of Exodus (annual cycle), ?Chazak, chazak, v?neit chazak!?  Be strong, be strong, and let us strengthen one another!?
 
Shavua tov to you and all,
 
Betty/Elisheva
 
P.S.  I am hoping to catch Joe Good this pm on the pod cast.  I have been unable to tune in lately, and know that I have missed a lot of wonderful teaching as a result. My heart and prayers are still with all of you guys down there in LA!  You are doing an amazing work.  I am hoping to see many of you in Charlotte for our UIWU April meeting.
 



Apathy and idolatry.
 
--John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted 
 
-------------- Original message from Steve Mathe <Shenabav at dslextreme.com>: -------------- Gang, For the last 2700 years we of the Ten Tribes have been in prisons of spiritual darkness.  Isaiah prophesies that the people of the isles were to be hidden in prison houses, i.e. mindsets that keep them imprisoned where none says,  be restored, / be brought back. (Isa. 42:7, 22). The proscribed period of spiritual captivity was an extension of the sentence we served starting with our prisoner-of-war captivity by the Assyrians and extended for the next 2700 years over our history of spreading into the Western regions (extremities, islands and coasts) of the world. Till our awakening today, none called for true repentance because no one knew of what we were to repent and to what we were to return. Now, for some the "appointed time," the sentence" of our spiritual captivity is up, and we are touched by the new wave of spiritual awakening that G-d has sent into the world. (Isa. 40:2).  My question I invite all to think and contribute to is;What are we (returnees), to repent of?Thank you for giving this some serious thought and sharing with the group? Shabbat Shalom, Steve
 
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Mar 10 00:15:40 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:15:40 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?
In-Reply-To: <BLU125-W286CD1BC795ECB45161279BA0E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000d01c8826d$c9012240$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Thank-you, Pat, for your insightful message.  The link to Elijah is
certainly one we must consider here and repentance is definitely in order.
Do you think that this message for a call to repentance is for Judah as
well.even though Elijah was a prophet to the Northern Kingdom, it seems that
the promise of the turning of the heart of the fathers to the children and
vice versa will embody both Judah and Israel?  Any thoughts here?  I am
seeing this in my synagogue today.  We have a large number of non-Jewish
born members and non-members who are coming to the synagogue to learn (who I
think are probably of the lost tribes);  and it is good to see the growing
acceptance of those from Judah.their heart is being turned towards the
fathers as they are learning to accept one another and work together as a
unit.

 

Our rabbi wrote a very warm and insightful message in the March Newsletter
encouraging the acceptance of the "stranger."  I will try to send some
excerpts from it, as it is well worth the read.  I feel very blessed to be a
part of such a warm and loving congregation.  Of course, it is not perfect.
There is still some opposition or the rabbi would not have needed to send
out the message; but the fact that he is open enough to address it speaks a
lot for where his heart is I think.

 

Perhaps some are to repent of not welcoming the stranger, and others of
holding our Jewish brothers and sisters at a distance.

 

Just a few thoughts.we are all where we are.and we can all certainly do
t'shuvah and can be better.

 

Love and blessings to all of you and shavuah tov,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of patricia robbins
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:43 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?

 

Such a great question, Steve!  I wanted to wait and see what some others
would write concerning this subject.  John said it quite succinctly: apathy
and idolatry.  Betty certainly hit the nail on the head with Hosea 6:4.  We
do perish for a lack of knowledge.  That lack of knowledge can be blamed
upon the fact that we inherited the lies of our fathers,  as Jeremiah 16:19
states.  But just because we were handed down lies, doesn't excuse our
acceptance of them.  We are responsible before HaShem to study to show
ourselves approved, to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
 
Many Rabbis are saying that we have entered the long-awaited Time of the
End.  It is at this Time that we can expect the arrival of Elijah, whom the
L-RD is sending to get us back on the right track.  Elijah will show us the
Ancient Path of HaShem's chosen servants, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.   Elijah
will unite our heart with theirs.  
 
I think one of the big clues pertaining to the answer to your question is
the fact that Elijah is returning to help us again.  We need to look at what
he did the first time around to get an idea of what he will do this time.
The first time he was sent to the Northern Kingdom, the House of Israel.  He
came to challenge the Prophets of Baal, who were teaching lies.  "Baal"
simply means Lord.  The Northern Tribes were worshipping HaShem, but they
were also worshipping another god alongside Him, whom they referred to as
their Lord. 
 
What was Elijah's message to the Northern Kingdom?  He declared to them:
 
How long will you go limping between two opinions?  If the LORD (YHVH) be
GOD, follow Him:  but if Baal (the Lord), then follow him.         I Kings:
18:21
 
I think those of us who are of the Lost Tribes (and none of us can say for
certain that we are not!) can and must apply that message to ourselves today
just as strongly as it was applied to our forefathers over 2,800 years ago.
Although they repented because of Elijah's message, they again turned to the
idolatry they loved, and began worshipping again the Lord alongside the
L-RD.  For this reason they (we) have been exiled, and held in captivity
till this very day.

So, what are we to repent of?  We are to repent of following the lies of our
fathers, because we have loved those lies just as they did.  We are to
repent of worshipping another god.  But we are also to repent of having
unjustly caused a righteous Jewish Teacher, from the kingly lineage of
David, to be worshipped as G-d Himself. 
 
For these sins and many others as well, I repent.
 
Pat


 



  _____  

From: bkgivin at charter.net
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:47:33 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?

Thanks, Steve, for posing this thought-provoking question; for how can we
repent if we do not know what it is that we are to repent of?  You always
come up with some good and relevant discussion questions, and I thank you.

 

John, I think you are right on!  And connected to the two is the
warning/statement in Hosea 6:4, "My people perish for lack of knowledge."
May we always continue to keep our eyes and ears open and never think we
'have arrived,' or 'know all there is to know.'  It has often been stated
and I think it is so true, that "the more we learn, the more we realize just
how much we don't know."  May we continue to dedicate ourselves to both the
study and the application of Torah and spreading love of HaShem in our
lives, as is advocated in the SHEMA! 

 

Thanks, John for you diligence and your dedication in all that you do for
Roots of Faith; and to all of you others involved, including those involved
in UIWU.   I am sorry that I have not been able to more active and
encouraging to you and to others on the list; my personal life has become
intensely complicated and it has left me exhausted and feeling like I don't
have much to contribute; but in the midst of it all, I still know who my G-d
is and that I have been richly blessed.  I will try to do better because I
think it is so very important, especially in these last days that we speak
to one another and share.  Life is hard.  May we never lose the glow of our
faces and the sparks in our spirits that the Holy One has endowed us with!

 

As we said yesterday in our synagogue services when we finished the book of
Exodus (annual cycle), "Chazak, chazak, v'neit chazak!"  Be strong, be
strong, and let us strengthen one another!"

 

Shavua tov to you and all,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

P.S.  I am hoping to catch Joe Good this pm on the pod cast.  I have been
unable to tune in lately, and know that I have missed a lot of wonderful
teaching as a result. My heart and prayers are still with all of you guys
down there in LA!  You are doing an amazing work.  I am hoping to see many
of you in Charlotte for our UIWU April meeting.

 

  _____  

Apathy and idolatry.

 

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 

 

-------------- Original message from Steve Mathe <Shenabav at dslextreme.com>:
-------------- 

Gang, 

For the last 2700 years we of the Ten Tribes have been in prisons of
spiritual darkness.  Isaiah prophesies that the people of the isles were
to be hidden in prison houses, i.e. mindsets that keep them imprisoned
where none says,  be restored, / be brought back. (Isa. 42:7, 22). The
proscribed period of spiritual captivity was an extension of the sentence
we served starting with our prisoner-of-war captivity by the Assyrians and
extended for the next 2700 years over our history of spreading into the
Western regions (extremities, islands and coasts) of the world. Till our
awakening today, none called for true repentance because no one knew of what
we were to repent and to what we were to return. Now, for some the
"appointed time," the sentence" of our spiritual captivity is up, and we are
touched by the new wave of spiritual awakening that G-d has sent into the
world. (Isa. 40:2).  

My question I invite all to think and contribute to is;

What are we (returnees), to repent of?

Thank you for giving this some serious thought and sharing with the group? 
Shabbat Shalom, 
Steve

 

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Mar 10 00:18:30 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:18:30 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Thank you, Ross.
In-Reply-To: <BLU125-W353F54042DB0119DD79A4CBA0E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001801c8826e$2deab8b0$643c66c9@bettygivin>

I was not able to hear any of the broadcast, but I am sure it was wonderful,
Ross. I think I got confused because I thought Joe was teaching.or maybe
that was Shabbat morning.  One day, hopefully, things will settle down and I
can tune it.

 

My thoughts and prayers are with Ross, and with all of you special people.

 

Shalom, shalom!

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of patricia robbins
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:47 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] Thank you, Ross.

 

I got in too late to hear the entire broadcast tonight, but what I did hear
was so wonderful, Ross.  I hope to get to listen to your teaching in its
entirety later this week.
 
Thank you so much for your faithfulness to G-d's word.
 
Pat

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From loyb at prodigy.net  Mon Mar 10 12:47:40 2008
From: loyb at prodigy.net (Loy)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:47:40 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?
References: <BLU125-W286CD1BC795ECB45161279BA0E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <022301c882d6$d71af720$de86fea9@loyc30e02e1325>

BEAUTIFULLY STATED PAT!           LEORAH
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: patricia robbins 
  To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
  Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:42 PM
  Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?


  Such a great question, Steve!  I wanted to wait and see what some others would write concerning this subject.  John said it quite succinctly: apathy and idolatry.  Betty certainly hit the nail on the head with Hosea 6:4.  We do perish for a lack of knowledge.  That lack of knowledge can be blamed upon the fact that we inherited the lies of our fathers,  as Jeremiah 16:19 states.  But just because we were handed down lies, doesn't excuse our acceptance of them.  We are responsible before HaShem to study to show ourselves approved, to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
   
  Many Rabbis are saying that we have entered the long-awaited Time of the End.  It is at this Time that we can expect the arrival of Elijah, whom the L-RD is sending to get us back on the right track.  Elijah will show us the Ancient Path of HaShem's chosen servants, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.   Elijah will unite our heart with theirs.  
   
  I think one of the big clues pertaining to the answer to your question is the fact that Elijah is returning to help us again.  We need to look at what he did the first time around to get an idea of what he will do this time.  The first time he was sent to the Northern Kingdom, the House of Israel.  He came to challenge the Prophets of Baal, who were teaching lies.  "Baal" simply means Lord.  The Northern Tribes were worshipping HaShem, but they were also worshipping another god alongside Him, whom they referred to as their Lord. 
   
  What was Elijah's message to the Northern Kingdom?  He declared to them:
   
  How long will you go limping between two opinions?  If the LORD (YHVH) be GOD, follow Him:  but if Baal (the Lord), then follow him.         I Kings: 18:21
   
  I think those of us who are of the Lost Tribes (and none of us can say for certain that we are not!) can and must apply that message to ourselves today just as strongly as it was applied to our forefathers over 2,800 years ago.  Although they repented because of Elijah's message, they again turned to the idolatry they loved, and began worshipping again the Lord alongside the L-RD.  For this reason they (we) have been exiled, and held in captivity till this very day.

  So, what are we to repent of?  We are to repent of following the lies of our fathers, because we have loved those lies just as they did.  We are to repent of worshipping another god.  But we are also to repent of having unjustly caused a righteous Jewish Teacher, from the kingly lineage of David, to be worshipped as G-d Himself. 
   
  For these sins and many others as well, I repent.
   
  Pat


   




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    From: bkgivin at charter.net
    To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
    Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:47:33 -0500
    Subject: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?


    Thanks, Steve, for posing this thought-provoking question; for how can we repent if we do not know what it is that we are to repent of?  You always come up with some good and relevant discussion questions, and I thank you.



    John, I think you are right on!  And connected to the two is the warning/statement in Hosea 6:4, ?My people perish for lack of knowledge.?  May we always continue to keep our eyes and ears open and never think we ?have arrived,? or ?know all there is to know.?  It has often been stated and I think it is so true, that ?the more we learn, the more we realize just how much we don?t know.?  May we continue to dedicate ourselves to both the study and the application of Torah and spreading love of HaShem in our lives, as is advocated in the SHEMA! 



    Thanks, John for you diligence and your dedication in all that you do for Roots of Faith; and to all of you others involved, including those involved in UIWU.   I am sorry that I have not been able to more active and encouraging to you and to others on the list; my personal life has become intensely complicated and it has left me exhausted and feeling like I don?t have much to contribute; but in the midst of it all, I still know who my G-d is and that I have been richly blessed.  I will try to do better because I think it is so very important, especially in these last days that we speak to one another and share.  Life is hard.  May we never lose the glow of our faces and the sparks in our spirits that the Holy One has endowed us with!



    As we said yesterday in our synagogue services when we finished the book of Exodus (annual cycle), ?Chazak, chazak, v?neit chazak!?  Be strong, be strong, and let us strengthen one another!?



    Shavua tov to you and all,



    Betty/Elisheva



    P.S.  I am hoping to catch Joe Good this pm on the pod cast.  I have been unable to tune in lately, and know that I have missed a lot of wonderful teaching as a result. My heart and prayers are still with all of you guys down there in LA!  You are doing an amazing work.  I am hoping to see many of you in Charlotte for our UIWU April meeting.




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    Apathy and idolatry.



    --
    John C. 

    "Be excellent to each other!" 
    Bill and Ted 



    -------------- Original message from Steve Mathe <Shenabav at dslextreme.com>: -------------- 

    Gang, 

    For the last 2700 years we of the Ten Tribes have been in prisons of spiritual darkness.  Isaiah prophesies that the people of the isles were to be hidden in prison houses, i.e. mindsets that keep them imprisoned where none says,  be restored, / be brought back. (Isa. 42:7, 22). The proscribed period of spiritual captivity was an extension of the sentence we served starting with our prisoner-of-war captivity by the Assyrians and extended for the next 2700 years over our history of spreading into the Western regions (extremities, islands and coasts) of the world. Till our awakening today, none called for true repentance because no one knew of what we were to repent and to what we were to return. Now, for some the "appointed time," the sentence" of our spiritual captivity is up, and we are touched by the new wave of spiritual awakening that G-d has sent into the world. (Isa. 40:2).  

    My question I invite all to think and contribute to is;

    What are we (returnees), to repent of?

    Thank you for giving this some serious thought and sharing with the group? 
    Shabbat Shalom, 
    Steve





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From tmich33 at bellsouth.net  Mon Mar 10 23:14:01 2008
From: tmich33 at bellsouth.net (Tamara Michael)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:14:01 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
Message-ID: <031120080414.12513.47D607090002F20B000030E122230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCCCC080C07039B@att.net>

There are many varying opinions as to what this "mark" is.  
Revelation 13:16 (KJV) 
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Here are some thoughts on the Mark of the Beast from my studies.

The Greek word used for "mark" is charagma, a term for the Roman imperial stamp that appeared on various official documents, including commercial documents. Charagma was also used on the emperors coins which were stamped with the likeness or name of the current emperor.

E charagma was a type of brand. Often used in Roman times for disobedient slaves, they were branded with the marks of their owners, much like we brand cattle today. I have to wonder what type of mark Hashem put on Cain in this piece of scripture, but I am unable to find any further reference as to what that mark may of been at this time.
Genesis 4:15
And the LORD said to him, ?Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.? And the LORD set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him.

During the time of the Romans, religious tattooing was a widespread tradition. Soldiers would customarily brand themselves with the name of a favorite general, and devotees of a lessor god tattooed themselves to show their loyal devotion to their god. However in Leviticus 19:28
You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the LORD.


Psalm 37:37
Mark the blameless man, and observe the upright;For the future of that man is peace.

Psalm 130:3
If You, LORD, should mark iniquities,O Lord, who could stand?

Jeremiah 2:22
For though you wash yourself with lye, and use much soap, Yet your iniquity is marked before Me,? says the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 9:4
and the LORD said to him, ?Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.?

Habakuk 1:12
[ The Prophet?s Second Question ] Are You not from everlasting, O LORD my God, my Holy One? We shall not die. O LORD, You have appointed them for judgment; O Rock, You have marked them for correction.

Jude 1:4
For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I believe the mark of Hashem to be of a symbolic nature not a physical one. As scripture interprets scripture the scriptures above describe our spiritual mark from Hashem.
So how will the beast mark his subjects? Quite simply ? they will be the ones who are willing to worship him and his image. (This could also involve his image on currency hence the inability to buy and sell) So their worship of him is the mark by which they will be identified. The mark on the right hand may refer to swearing allegiance to something, such as we do when we say the pledge of allegiance to the flag. 
An interesting footnote to this is an early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It also ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards, but began with the right hand outstretched, palm facing downward. However, during World War II the outstretched arm became identified with Nazism and Fascism, and the custom was changed: today the Pledge is said from beginning to end with the right hand over the heart.

So basically I feel you are Hashems' if you follow the Torah and love Hashem with all of your heart, mind and soul or you belong to the beast. Your mark is known by your master..

I look forward to hearing how you feel about this theory.
Tammy
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From tmich33 at bellsouth.net  Tue Mar 11 00:29:29 2008
From: tmich33 at bellsouth.net (Tamara Michael)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:29:29 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
Message-ID: <031120080529.13915.47D618B9000097610000365B22243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCCCC080C07039B@att.net>

There are many varying opinions as to what this "mark" is.  
Revelation 13:16 (KJV) 
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Here are some thoughts on the Mark of the Beast from my studies.

The Greek word used for "mark" is charagma, a term for the Roman imperial stamp that appeared on various official documents, including commercial documents. Charagma was also used on the emperors coins which were stamped with the likeness or name of the current emperor.

E charagma was a type of brand. Often used in Roman times for disobedient slaves, they were branded with the marks of their owners, much like we brand cattle today. I have to wonder what type of mark Hashem put on Cain in this piece of scripture, but I am unable to find any further reference as to what that mark may of been at this time.
Genesis 4:15
And the LORD said to him, ?Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.? And the LORD set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him.

During the time of the Romans, religious tattooing was a widespread tradition. Soldiers would customarily brand themselves with the name of a favorite general, and devotees of a lessor god tattooed themselves to show their loyal devotion to their god. However in Leviticus 19:28
You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the LORD.


Psalm 37:37
Mark the blameless man, and observe the upright;For the future of that man is peace.

Psalm 130:3
If You, LORD, should mark iniquities,O Lord, who could stand?

Jeremiah 2:22
For though you wash yourself with lye, and use much soap, Yet your iniquity is marked before Me,? says the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 9:4
and the LORD said to him, ?Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.?

Habakuk 1:12
[ The Prophet?s Second Question ] Are You not from everlasting, O LORD my God, my Holy One? We shall not die. O LORD, You have appointed them for judgment; O Rock, You have marked them for correction.

Jude 1:4
For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I believe the mark of Hashem to be of a symbolic nature not a physical one. As scripture interprets scripture the scriptures above describe our spiritual mark from Hashem.
So how will the beast mark his subjects? Quite simply ? they will be the ones who are willing to worship him and his image. (This could also involve his image on currency hence the inability to buy and sell) So their worship of him is the mark by which they will be identified. The mark on the right hand may refer to swearing allegiance to something, such as we do when we say the pledge of allegiance to the flag. 
An interesting footnote to this is an early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It also ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards, but began with the right hand outstretched, palm facing downward. However, during World War II the outstretched arm became identified with Nazism and Fascism, and the custom was changed: today the Pledge is said from beginning to end with the right hand over the heart.

So basically I feel you are Hashems' if you follow the Torah and love Hashem with all of your heart, mind and soul or you belong to the beast. Your mark is known by your master..

I look forward to hearing how you feel about this theory.
Tammy
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From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:38:05 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Test.
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Test.

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From tmich33 at bellsouth.net  Tue Mar 11 10:48:24 2008
From: tmich33 at bellsouth.net (Tamara Michael)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:48:24 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast
Message-ID: <031120081548.4830.47D6A9C8000A7E66000012DE22230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCCCC080C07039B@att.net>

There are many varying opinions as to what this "mark" is.  
Revelation 13:16 (KJV) 
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Here are some thoughts on the Mark of the Beast from my studies.

The Greek word used for "mark" is charagma, a term for the Roman imperial stamp that appeared on various official documents, including commercial documents. Charagma was also used on the emperors coins which were stamped with the likeness or name of the current emperor.

E charagma was a type of brand. Often used in Roman times for disobedient slaves, they were branded with the marks of their owners, much like we brand cattle today. I have to wonder what type of mark Hashem put on Cain in this piece of scripture, but I am unable to find any further reference as to what that mark may of been at this time.
Genesis 4:15
And the LORD said to him, ?Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.? And the LORD set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him.

During the time of the Romans, religious tattooing was a widespread tradition. Soldiers would customarily brand themselves with the name of a favorite general, and devotees of a lessor god tattooed themselves to show their loyal devotion to their god. However in Leviticus 19:28
You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the LORD.


Psalm 37:37
Mark the blameless man, and observe the upright;For the future of that man is peace.

Psalm 130:3
If You, LORD, should mark iniquities,O Lord, who could stand?

Jeremiah 2:22
For though you wash yourself with lye, and use much soap, Yet your iniquity is marked before Me,? says the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 9:4
and the LORD said to him, ?Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.?

Habakuk 1:12
[ The Prophet?s Second Question ] Are You not from everlasting, O LORD my God, my Holy One? We shall not die. O LORD, You have appointed them for judgment; O Rock, You have marked them for correction.

Jude 1:4
For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I believe the mark of Hashem to be of a symbolic nature not a physical one. As scripture interprets scripture the scriptures above describe our spiritual mark from Hashem.
So how will the beast mark his subjects? Quite simply ? they will be the ones who are willing to worship him and his image. (This could also involve his image on currency hence the inability to buy and sell) So their worship of him is the mark by which they will be identified. The mark on the right hand may refer to swearing allegiance to something, such as we do when we say the pledge of allegiance to the flag. 
An interesting footnote to this is an early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It also ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards, but began with the right hand outstretched, palm facing downward. However, during World War II the outstretched arm became identified with Nazism and Fascism, and the custom was changed: today the Pledge is said from beginning to end with the right hand over the heart.

So basically I feel you are Hashems' if you follow the Torah and love Hashem with all of your heart, mind and soul or you belong to the beast. Your mark is known by your master..

I look forward to hearing how you feel about this theory.
Tammy
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 11 10:50:09 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:50:09 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?
Message-ID: <BLU125-W193FDBD095E9F89632077DBA0F0@phx.gbl>


Hi Betty!
 
I love reading your letters.   
 
Concerning Elijah's work, I believe he will again contend with the Prophets of Baal to loosen the bonds of captivity which bind the Lost Sheep.  Surely his work will spill over to bless Judah as well, but I don't see their need for his particular challenge.  The religious core of Judah has remained faithful to HaShem.  However, in the sense that he calls all to repentance, I can see both Judah and Joseph heeding his call.  I believe he will straighten out any wrong thinking on both sides and be responsible in a huge way for the brothers' reunification.  Thereby, he will cause the reunification of all Israel, past and future.  We will be reunited with each other and with our Fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
 
What a thrill to be alive at this time in history!  We are already seeing Elijah's work beginning.  Though I believe he will come in the flesh, there are those arising now who herald his appearing.  I believe Ross to be among them, and of course your brother, James, and Steve Mathe, and John Hulley.  There are men, and women too, who are arising out of Joseph, and beckoning home the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.  They are challenging the Prophets of Baal.  They are getting in Jezebel's face, and because of their open defiance of her religious system, are incurring her wrath.  We must pray diligently that HaShem bless them, and strengthen His anointing upon them, and shield them that they find refuge under His wings, Ps. 91.
 
Love,
 
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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Tue Mar 11 13:42:23 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:42:23 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?
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From youngbarzel at aol.com  Tue Mar 11 16:03:58 2008
From: youngbarzel at aol.com (youngbarzel at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:03:58 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Test.
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And a 'test' right back at ya John!?? :-)? Greetings to all from the Holiest City on Earth.? I am still shaking off the jet lag, and hope to write more tomorrow.

Best regards to all,

??? Hanoch (where he actually belongs..)


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 4:38 pm
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Test.

?

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 




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From tsbcroley at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 11 17:06:35 2008
From: tsbcroley at yahoo.com (Tammy & Bruce Croley)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:06:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] Test.
In-Reply-To: <031120081438.10139.47D6994C00086BF90000279B22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net>
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Hey John.........Got the "Test".
Shalom,
Tammy Croley

carlson_john at bellsouth.net wrote: Test.

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"Be excellent to each other!" 
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 11 17:27:06 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:27:06 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Test.
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Got it!


From: carlson_john at bellsouth.netTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgDate: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:38:05 +0000Subject: [Dialogue] Test.


Test.
 
--John C. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted 
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Tue Mar 11 22:47:03 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:47:03 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Test.
In-Reply-To: <BLU125-W465C5CC4EC58392CC3A020BA0F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <009c01c883f3$bc263010$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Me too!

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of patricia robbins
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:27 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Test.

 

Got it!

  _____  

From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:38:05 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Test.

Test.

 

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 23:11:12 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:11:12 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Test.
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Got it!

Kim

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:38 AM, <carlson_john at bellsouth.net> wrote:

>  Test.
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> "Be excellent to each other!"
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From dialogue at bdjones.com  Wed Mar 12 14:36:17 2008
From: dialogue at bdjones.com (Brian)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:36:17 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Test.
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Just another test on day 2

Hey everyone ...

At 11:11 PM 3/11/2008, you wrote:

>Got it!
>
>Kim
>
>On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:38 AM, 
><<mailto:carlson_john at bellsouth.net>carlson_john at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Test.
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>--
>John C.
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>"Be excellent to each other!"
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From chattertonw at bellsouth.net  Wed Mar 12 15:35:48 2008
From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (chattertonw at bellsouth.net)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:35:48 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
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All,

Please respond if you get this test.

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From thojfbwm at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 12 15:43:56 2008
From: thojfbwm at hotmail.com (James J Harvey)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:43:56 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
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From: chattertonw at bellsouth.netTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgDate: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:35:48 +0000Subject: [Dialogue] Test

All,
 
Please respond if you get this test.
 
Thanks,
 
Glenn
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From rickgozhanskij at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 12 16:57:33 2008
From: rickgozhanskij at yahoo.com (Rick Gozhanskij)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:57:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
Message-ID: <578488.86687.qm@web44905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Got it Glenn

----- Original Message ----
From: "chattertonw at bellsouth.net" <chattertonw at bellsouth.net>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:35:48 PM
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All,
 
Please respond if you get this test.
 
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Wed Mar 12 17:09:33 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:09:33 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
In-Reply-To: <578488.86687.qm@web44905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007301c8848d$c0df1640$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Got it too, Glenn,

 

Betty

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Rick Gozhanskij
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:58 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Test

 

Got it Glenn

----- Original Message ----
From: "chattertonw at bellsouth.net" <chattertonw at bellsouth.net>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:35:48 PM
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All,

 

Please respond if you get this test.

 

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Wed Mar 12 17:21:00 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:21:00 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?
In-Reply-To: <BLU125-W193FDBD095E9F89632077DBA0F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008301c8848f$5a8a1e10$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Thanks,  Pat.

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of patricia robbins
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:50 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?

 

Hi Betty!
 
I love reading your letters.   
 
Concerning Elijah's work, I believe he will again contend with the Prophets
of Baal to loosen the bonds of captivity which bind the Lost Sheep.  Surely
his work will spill over to bless Judah as well, but I don't see their need
for his particular challenge.  The religious core of Judah has remained
faithful to HaShem.  However, in the sense that he calls all to repentance,
I can see both Judah and Joseph heeding his call.  I believe he will
straighten out any wrong thinking on both sides and be responsible in a huge
way for the brothers' reunification.  Thereby, he will cause the
reunification of all Israel, past and future.  We will be reunited with each
other and with our Fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
 
What a thrill to be alive at this time in history!  We are already seeing
Elijah's work beginning.  Though I believe he will come in the flesh, there
are those arising now who herald his appearing.  I believe Ross to be among
them, and of course your brother, James, and Steve Mathe, and John Hulley.
There are men, and women too, who are arising out of Joseph, and beckoning
home the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.  They are challenging the
Prophets of Baal.  They are getting in Jezebel's face, and because of their
open defiance of her religious system, are incurring her wrath.  We must
pray diligently that HaShem bless them, and strengthen His anointing upon
them, and shield them that they find refuge under His wings, Ps. 91.
 
Love,
 
Pat



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From loyb at prodigy.net  Wed Mar 12 17:35:49 2008
From: loyb at prodigy.net (Loy)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:35:49 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
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I got it.   Loy Leorah
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    All,

    Please respond if you get this test.

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From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:48:20 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: Israel pressured to accept Roap Map plan
Message-ID: <00c401c88493$2bbffb00$643c66c9@bettygivin>

 

 

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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Wed Mar 12 19:49:29 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:49:29 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
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Yes sir!

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of
chattertonw at bellsouth.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:36 PM
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All,

 

Please respond if you get this test.

 

Thanks,

 

Glenn

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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Wed Mar 12 19:50:18 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:50:18 -0400
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Hello Brian!

 

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Just another test on day 2

Hey everyone ...

At 11:11 PM 3/11/2008, you wrote:




Got it!

Kim

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Test.

 

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From shdennis at rogers.com  Wed Mar 12 19:50:39 2008
From: shdennis at rogers.com (Stephen & Sharon)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:50:39 -0300
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: What are we to repent of?
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Pat, thanks for these words, I agree with your thoughts!   "Challenging the prophets of Baal".
HalleluYAH!   
Sharon


  Hi Betty!
   
  I love reading your letters.   
   
  Concerning Elijah's work, I believe he will again contend with the Prophets of Baal to loosen the bonds of captivity which bind the Lost Sheep.  Surely his work will spill over to bless Judah as well, but I don't see their need for his particular challenge.  The religious core of Judah has remained faithful to HaShem.  However, in the sense that he calls all to repentance, I can see both Judah and Joseph heeding his call.  I believe he will straighten out any wrong thinking on both sides and be responsible in a huge way for the brothers' reunification.  Thereby, he will cause the reunification of all Israel, past and future.  We will be reunited with each other and with our Fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
   
  What a thrill to be alive at this time in history!  We are already seeing Elijah's work beginning.  Though I believe he will come in the flesh, there are those arising now who herald his appearing.  I believe Ross to be among them, and of course your brother, James, and Steve Mathe, and John Hulley.  There are men, and women too, who are arising out of Joseph, and beckoning home the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.  They are challenging the Prophets of Baal.  They are getting in Jezebel's face, and because of their open defiance of her religious system, are incurring her wrath.  We must pray diligently that HaShem bless them, and strengthen His anointing upon them, and shield them that they find refuge under His wings, Ps. 91.
   
  Love,
   
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All,

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Greetings from Jerusalem - yep, even got the message here!?

Best regards,
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Got it!

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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Wed Mar 12 22:14:29 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:14:29 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast- part 1
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Below is a section taken from an 80 page booklet that was written some 35
years ago.   It is about 12 pages so I'm breaking it into two parts.  The
minister who wrote this has now passed on,  but he spent his life trying to
untangle him self form the Beast.   As you read this bear in mind that his
journey started around the middle to late 1950's.  After some 20 years he
begin to write down his thoughts.   Israel had just became a nation and the
6 day war was still in the future.   He like others and all of us was
walking in uncharted waters.    I'm sure you can find much to disagree with,
but I think you will see that he was starting to head in the direction that
we find ourselves headed in. I would venture to say that almost no one in
nominal Christianity was working with, studying with, or looking to Judea
(Jews / Israel) for direction and teaching at this time, as we are today.

 

This post in a simple way answers the two questions, "what is the mark of
the beast"? and "what are we to repent of"?

 

marvin

 

 

The Mark of the Beast 

OVERCOMING THE EIGHTH

"And he causeth all both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to
receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man
might buy or sell, save he that had the mark or the name of the beast, or
the number of his name." (Rev.13:16,17)

I am not going to discuss the possibility of a colossal computer being the
Beast, ....nor the possibility of imprinting invisible identifying numerals
upon people's foreheads and hands, ....nor the use of optical scanners,
....nor buying and selling with "plastic cards", ....nor "EFT" (electronic
funds transfer), nor even worshipping on Sunday rather than Saturday,
.....as the mark of the Beast. Nor will we take time to try and identify the
nationality or who the Antichrist might be.

It is obvious that any manner of manipulating and monitoring the affairs of
men at the endtime will incorporate a computer system and a human element
behind it to direct the programming. However, the Holy Ghost wishes to
reveal the character of the spirit which will perform these acts through
humans; ...not the computer system, ...not the process, ...and not the
specific individual or individuals. But a revealing of a spirit.

REVEALING THE ANTICHRIST

Our focus will be somewhat different. We are going to approach the
understanding of the mark from a more Biblical and spiritual standpoint,
rather than a literal one. In other words, we're going to accent the
spiritual aspects, rather than any physical or literal processes which have
been or might be invented to fulfill these events.

Why? Let me ask you? When God marked you as his own, how did he do it? Did
he do it physically? During the times of the Old Testament, men were
circumcised literally and marked in their flesh that they were Jehovah's and
in covenant with Him. But now, in the New Testament of Jesus Christ, men are
circumcised spiritually in the heart, without hands, an operation of the
Spirit, ...of God. (Col. 2:11-12) Know you not, that you were sealed with
God's seal and mark when you received the Holy Spirit of promise, the gift
of the Holy Ghost? (Eph. 1:13) "The foundation of God standeth sure, ....the
Lord knoweth them that are his." (2 Tim. 2:19) God can see the seal or mark
he's placed upon his own.

RECEIVING A MARK

"And he causeth all both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond,"... 

It is obvious that it will effect All people at all levels of society over
the world. It will include the bag-lady, the corporate executive, and as
well as those who know freedom or slavery.

"To receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:".

This is very similar language to that found in Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be
for a sign unto thee upon thine hand and for a memorial between thine
eyes...that the Lord's law may be strong in thy mouth." God said if they
would keep his Word that it would mark them in their hand and between their
eyes (the middle of the forehead).

An angel "set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and cry for all
the abominations that be done." (Ezk.9:4) Those that were marked by the
angel in Ezekiel's vision were to be preserved in the midst of the judgments
which later came upon Israel in that age.

Neither of the previous two Biblical examples spoke of marks or signs or
identifying marks upon the literal forehead and hands. Both were of a
spiritual nature, unseen to the human eye or senses, ...the results of
obedience and the godly life of the worshiper.

Have you ever considered the spiritual nature of the mark of Revelation 13,
that spiritual aspect which only the angels and demons can see, ...rather
than the literal? Every natural or visible aspect of the kingdom has a
spiritual and invisible quality, too. (see 1 Cor.15:46-47)

In Ezekiel 9:4 the "mark" was a mark or scratching, ....which confirmed that
individual's blessing of preservation and sealing from a time of judgment,
while the "mark" in Rev. 13:16 is a mark, an imprinting, an etching,
...which identifies the individual's curse of death and sealing unto
judgment and destruction, rather than from it.

It seems so appropriate that God marks and seals the righteous, while the
Devil marks and seals the adulterous and ungodly. Both groups sealed! Those
who served God and keep his Word are sealed with the Father's Name in their
foreheads, (Rev.7:3,14:1) The Unfaithful Prostituting crowd are sealed with
their father's Name, ....the Devil's Name, ....the Beast's Name, ....the
Harlot's Name, ....and in their foreheads, too. (Rev.13:16-17,14:11)

"in their right hand"

In scripture, the right hand represents numerous times "strength", "power",
and "authority" of God. (Ex.15:6, Matt.26:64, Eph.1:20-21) In Deuteronomy
33:2 the right hand represents the place from which came God's Law..."from
his right hand went a fiery law for them." Jacob's right hand was the
instrument of devine ordination as he prayed for his two grandsons; Ephraim
and Manasseh. (Gen.48:13-18) The right hand (thumb, toe & ear) were anointed
in rites of consecration, sanctification, and cleansing of the Old Testament
priesthood. (Ex.29:20, Lev.:23-30)

The Right Hand referred to "the right hands of fellowship" (Gal.2:9) which
were given to Paul and Barnabus by James, Cephas, and John to acknowledge
and place approval upon their ministry among the Gentiles.

Therefore scripture speaks of the right hand in relation to strength, power,
authority, God's Law, devine ordination, anointing for consecration, and
brotherly fellowship.

"in the forehead"

The forehead, the prominent part of the head, or amid face, has been spoken
of in scripture as where God seals his saints for security and preservation
(Ezek.9:4, Rev.7:3) and of "Holiness" unto God. (Ex.28:38)

The forehead also speaks of UnHoly things, such as a "Whorish spirit"
(Jer.3:3). Within the forehead of a Whore exists a pattern of values,
thought-life, and a mind much different and opposed to the thought-life and
mind of Holiness in a virtuous Woman. A Prostitute's forehead or mind is
driven by Satan's word (which is simply a perversion of God's Word) while
the Holiness forehead or mind operates from God's principles.

Therefore the forehead in scripture speaks to us righteousness in sealing,
preservation, and Holiness unto the Lord; and, also reveals ungodly
character, too, such as an unfaithful, unvirtuous, and whorish spirit.

The Bride of Isaac was marked as His bride, in her Hand and Forehead or
face. "At the time of the evening" Eleazar found a bride for the Master's
son, Isaac, and gave Rebekah "a golden earring" (a jewel for the forehead)
"and two bracelets for her hands". (Gen.24:11,22) Eleazar relates this to
Rebekah's brother in Gen. 24:47 when he said "I put the earring upon her
face, and the bracelets upon her hands."

It becomes clear, that even a surface look into the scriptures gives us a
much better understanding of what God means by the forehead and hand,
...than do everyday newspaper events.

NO MAN MIGHT BUY OR SELL

"And that no man might buy or sell, .."

Merchandising in the scriptures is quite different than that of groceries,
hardware and dry goods.

Proverbs 23:23 speaks of buying and selling the truth, "Buy the truth and
sell it not." Isaiah spoke of buying in 55:1, "yea, come, buy wine and milk
without money and without price." He was speaking of salvation being for
sale without price for all who would come and buy.

Jesus spoke of buying and selling in Matthew 25:9 when the five foolish
virgins were told, "but go ye rather to them that sell, (oil) and buy for
yourselves." It is understood that the oil represents the Holy Spirit, the
born again new creation life, which is only "sold" by a gospel preacher and
"bought" without the price of money. Jesus even spoke of it in Revelation
3:18 as he counseled the Laodicean church to come and buy gold which he had
for sale. "I counsel thee to buy of me", he said. Of course, it is plain
that he was speaking figuratively of gospel righteousness, not literal
merchandising.

Buying and selling in scripture refers to different facets of the ministry
of the Word of God, ...of salvation, ...of receiving Truth, and ...of
consecration in holiness unto Christ. The buyers, ...are the listeners. The
sellers, ...are the ministers -- preaching the anointed gospel of Jesus
Christ.

Therefore, ...if "no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark", then
buying and selling, ...preaching the gospel truth, ...is legislatively
restricted to only those preachers and churches who agree to work within the
principles and guidelines of the Harlot-Beast Ecumenical church system which
is composed of worldly Catholics, Protestants, Pentecostal, Charismatics,
and any other deceived church people who fail to hear the call to "Come Out
of Her My People."

Subsequently, no preacher or church organization will be allowed "legally"
to sell, ...or preach the uncompromising Apostolic gospel truth of the New
Testament, ...or allowed "legally" to listen to preachers of righteousness
and holiness unless they are sanctioned by the "religious establishment."
And if they are sanctioned, they will have compromised, preaching a worldly,
ritualistic, carnal gospel like those of the main-line denominations. It is
a gospel that looks good on the surface but is driven by pride, lust and
rebellion; without the power the Holy Ghost to truly change the heart of a
man and woman through Godly sorrow and repentance.

For example, during the days of the conception of the Methodist Revival in
England. The Anglican Church of England closed the church doors to the
Wesley brothers and George Whitefield. They were illegal preachers -- called
"Irregulars". So they preached "illegally" to thousands in the fields of
England, and often in the beginning with persecution. They did not
compromise the gospel message of Truth or there would have been no salvation
and no revival.

Preacher friend and church member, what will you do when the intimidation to
stand and preach the uncompromising gospel in doctrine, separation and
righteousness becomes so strong that you have to declare yourself openly,
among your friends, neighbors, and church friends? Will your mouth be shut?
Will you just silently go along with the crowd? Or will you even perceive
what is going on?

Thus saith the Lord, ....ministry brother, .....the binds and restrictions
will become so restrictive, that each will have to choose to either
compromise the preaching of the gospel or become uncooperative with the
formal religious ecumenical community of Apostate Christianity, Catholicism,
the Harlot's daughter systems (Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Lutherans,
Methodists, Baptists, and all non-Holy Ghost filled believers, the worldly
Charismatics, and lukewarm Pentecostals. These will work together formally
and informally in one spirit to wield the political sword to bring the earth
and the Bride into greater captivity. Some will know better than to
cooperate, but they will see no other alternative. All their labors for the
Lord are at stake, so they will think. Their organization and denomination
is too large to bring to a halt -- as would occur if it became illegal. The
Pentecostals, especially will find themselves in a predictament. They have
the Holy Ghost. They see what is going on. But many won't be able to see any
rational way out other than fitting in with the IMAGE which everyone else is
agreeing to project. Rock the Boat or Get out of the Boat? You must do one
or the other. And the best time to start is NOW! Pray my friend that you
will have the power to make the right decision at that hour or souls will be
lost, ....maybe even yours. What should you do? "Come Out of Her My People"





VICTORY OVER THE MARK

Praise God, there will be those who will have "gotten the victory over the
Beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his
name." (Rev. 15:2) They will be of the caliber of that 7000 group in
Elijah's day. They will not bow to a lukewarm, mingled, mixtured ecumenical
church spirit of this Endtime. These will refuse to submit to pressure to
compromise and will keep proclaiming the Truth of the same gospel that the
New Testament Apostles preached. 

How can you get Victory over the Mark of the Beast?

1st > You must get your thinking straight. 

You must understand what is going on in the earth today, ...OR, you will
take the Mark of the Beast in your forehead. Pray for the Spirit of God to
reveal to you How the Devil is working and reaching toward you through the
spirit of the False church (which proclaims itself christian so boldly) to
deceive you and pull you away from the Truth of God's Word and have you
accept man's opinions, which sound so reasonable. You must see that there is
a false church trying to deceive the true church. You must know that the
truth is the same gospel preached in the Bible and recognize the false for
what it is -- a perversion of the truth -- even if you are not ordained or
anointed to cry out against it.

2nd > Don't be moved from the Word, ...the Scripture in your Bible, ... to
keep fellowship with anyone. 

Do as the early church did and "continue stedfastly in the apostles'
doctrine" (Acts 2:42) and teachings. You can read -- so read the Bible --You
can understand as well as any preacher if you will pray as you read. It does
not take scholarship. It takes the spirit of revelation and anointing to
teach. Rely upon Jesus to teach you -- he will. Don't let your preacher or
any preacher tell you that what the Apostles taught the church in Acts and
the Epistles is wrong -- right for their day but culturally wrong for ours.
That is the AntiChrist! It's that simple.

3rd > Stay with the Original Plan of Salvation as was taught to the New
Testament Church in the book of Acts.

{Please note: The Epistles of the New Testament were written to disciple
church people, not to instruct the un-converted in how to be saved.} 

They of that 1st generation of believers were our examples of the Original
Holy Ghost Seed. Since we are of the Endtime Generation, the days of the
latter rain and Harvest Age, (James 5:7) God is pouring out His Spirit again
at Harvest Time, just like he did in the Bible at the Original Holy Ghost
Seed sowing time. Remember that Harvest Time is simply a returning of that
same original seed that was sown in the beginning. That is why the middle
stages look different, but the beginning and the end display the same seed.
Don't settle for a salvation experience which is one iota less than what our
New Testament book of Acts brothers and sisters experienced! The Holy Ghost
is for every believer -- not for just some special or select few! 

4th > Keep a Christ-like Spirit! 

Don't take on a bad spirit toward the worldly church folk and those who, you
might think, are of the False Church as they persecute and ridicule you.
Remember to forgive them. For they know not what they do ! Pray for them.
Some of our brothers and sisters are caught up in the False spirit and don't
realize it. Some of the church of God is entrapped in Mystery Babylon,
that's why he said "come out of her MY People". Some are to come at the 11th
hour. Prepare your heart and spirit to receive those whose eyes come open to
the truth at, seemingly, the last moment. Keep your spirit right. It may be
that you can help pull one out of the fire of God's judgment.

I repeat. Don't fight the false. Remember Stephen. Receiving understanding
and revelation is not fighting. If you begin to defend yourself and debate
them -- you will be overcome. You will fall right into Satan's snare of
strife and contention. Keep your spirit clean. If you don't take a spirit of
strife, contention, and debate against the false church -- you can't be
overcome by them --even if they persecute you.

5th > Separate yourself from worldliness and unto the Lord in Holiness!

Both aspects must exist. The existence of the 7000 of Elijah's day and their
whereabouts were not known to Elijah. But, Jehovah knew, of their existence,
location and their separation from the religious evil of their day. They had
separated themselves from the backslide temple worship and were on their
own. They were just like Abraham. He lived outside of Sodom and would have
no part with it. {To "come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the
Lord, ...and I will receive you" (Isa 52:11, 2 Cor 6:17), is Jehovah's will
in every age.} You must prepare now to separate yourself in the spirit, and
later physically, from those worldly "christians?" who compose this new
beast image of worldly religion. The time will come when Giving the right
hand of fellowship and calling them brother or sister will cause you to be
overcome by a deceiving spirit and will put upon you the Mark of the Beast
in your right hand or in your forehead or both!

Be prepared when the Holy Spirit speaks to you, to withdraw fellowship from
the worldly, carnal-minded, undedicated, luke-warm church folk who resist
the Holy Ghost. The Lord is drawing you away from the False Church. In time
this will mean separating spiritually in your heart and mind, (by no longer
regarding them as the True Church) and physically from church friends,
natural relatives, and maybe, even family members. (by no longer
fellowshipping with them as brothers & sisters in Christ) No one, no matter
how much they mean to you, can be allowed to take you from the Truth. The
time will come when you will have to stop acknowledging them as members of
the body of Christ. Their hearts and minds will have been sealed unto the
false church mind set. They will have received the Mark of the Beast in
their forehead. Those that are separated unto Jesus Christ, ...will have to
dis-fellowship them. Or else we will receive the Mark of the Beast in our
Hand of fellowship. Separation. Satan hates it. He has always wanted to fit
in, that's why he transforms himself "into an angel of light." (2 Cor 11:14)
He wants to be included, too.

Again, let me remind you. You will not take the Mark of the Beast in your
forehead (in your thinking and understanding of the things of God) nor in
your right hand (in fellowshipping people as christians who are not) if you
will believe and accept the message of salvation which the Apostles preached
in the New Testament, ...beginning with Peter's sermon on the day of
Pentecost. If you will be convinced in your heart and not let any
"christian" friend cause you to compromise into acknowledging, "well, maybe
they do have Bible Salvation", ........

Marked in the Hand by your fellowship OR Marked in your Forehead by your
thinking!

 

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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Wed Mar 12 22:19:17 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:19:17 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Mark of the Beast - part 2
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Continued from Part 1

 


Remember. The WORD OF GOD is linked in scripture to the forehead and the
hand. We saw this in Exodus 13:9,16 in the keeping of the Passover and the
feast of Unleavened bread, which are God's Law. The forehead and hand also
appear in Deut.11:18 when God instructed Israel to "bind them (God's Words)
for a sign upon your Hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes."
(your forehead) Keeping God's Word is symbolically related to the forehead,
mid face and the hand. What WORD mind set is within your forehead?

 

 

 

God gave this same cry through the Prophet Jeremiah to His Old Covenant
church people, Israel, who were captives of the then existing kingdom of
Babylon. (Jer.51:6) At the end of the New Covenant age, this same cry was to
be echoed again to His spiritual kingdom people of the church (Rev.18:4),
who are a spiritual habitation (Eph.2:22) and have been held spiritually
captive by Mystery Babylon's religious spirit of confusion. Just as God made
a way at the appointed time for His Old Covenant sheep to leave natural
Babylon and return to Israel; Jehovah God has opened a door for His New
Covenant sheep to leave Mystery Babylon and return home. 

Some look for Nebuchadnezzar's kingdom to be rebuilt in Iraq. However, men
should remember that no longer does the physical hold the key to the kingdom
of God; ...the spiritual does. "The hour cometh, when ye shall neither in
this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem (physical), worship the Father, ....But
the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the
Father in spirit (spiritual) and in truth.." (John 4:21-22)

This city Mystery Babylon is not a physical place; but a spiritual one;
...thus it is a spiritual exodus. It is similar to the one each child of God
made when they fled the slavery and the bondages of Sin when they accepted
the blood of Jesus Christ. Remember how it was when you first heard the
preached Word of God. It was truly a spiritual exodus and deliverance.

Moses physically led the children of Israel out of a natural Egyptian
bondage. They walked out. A Physical Exodus!


A SPIRITUAL EXODUS BACK TO OUR ROOTS


..........Men and women became believers when they accepted the "present
truth" of the WORD OF GOD as it was preached to them in that day. A
Spiritual Exodus!

He takes us out of one to bring us into another. It was true of natural
Israel and so it is today of spiritual Israel, the church. "He brought us
out from thence, that he might bring us in." (Deut 6:23) To spiritually
leave Mystery Babylon means to come away from all of Her doctrines and
teachings and practices which have found their way into the church. And just
as Joseph ran physically from Potiphar's wife to keep himself pure, God's
sheep within the Mystery Harlot church world need physically and spiritually
to put distance between them and Her. How? Begin to pray and ask God to lead
you to a church which preaches and contends for the same gospel as the
Apostles preached in the New Testament.

The destination is the same for us as it was for those natural Israelites
who followed Ezra and Nehemiah out of Babylonian captivity. They went back
to the land of Israel. They went back to Jerusalem. They returned and
rebuilt the walls of the city of God, Jerusalem, and rebuilt Jehovah's house
of worship, the Temple. They restored themselves to the land, to the city,
to the temple, and to the worship which was given by their prophet Moses at
the time of their deliverance from the land of Sin, Egypt.

The Israelite Babylonian Captives were to "Stand in the ways, and see, and
ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall
find rest for your souls" (Jer.6:16) They were to "Set thine heart toward
the highway, even the way which thou wentest: turn again, O virgin of
Israel, turn again to these thy cities." (Jer.31:21)

Zerubbabel, Ezra, Nehemiah, and all those who followed them, set their
hearts toward the highway which returned them to the land of their origins
and to the ways or paths of the law of Moses. Only in doing so could they
find rest and security for their souls. They went all the way home!

In like manner, when God calls for his Spiritual seed, the church, to get
out of religious harlotry and Babylonian confusion, he desires for them to
go home, to the land of their spiritual origins, to their spiritual roots.

What are the roots of the church? Where did the New Testament Church of God
begin? Jesus, himself gave us that answer in Luke 24:47 when he said,
"beginning at Jerusalem". "That repentance and remission of sins should be
preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."


BACK TO "THAT" JERUSALEM GOSPEL


The preaching of salvation and the blood of Jesus Christ began at Jerusalem
as the apostles began to carry out Jesus' instructions. John the Baptist
began his ministry in the wilderness of Judea about Jordan. (Matt.3:1,
Lk.3:3) Jesus Christ of Nazareth began his ministry in Gallilee. (Lk.4:14)
The beginning of the ministry of the Church of God began in Jerusalem; not
in Judea, nor in Gallilee.

This beginning was highlighted by the out-pouring of the Holy Ghost as Peter
witnessed in Acts 11:15, "And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on
them, as on us at the beginning." ..........

If we are the Harvest Generation, then we must return to be like the
original church in Spirit and Doctrine. We are now in the time of the "FULL
CORN IN THE EAR"; (Mrk 4) the last phase of the growth of the kingdom of God
before the harvest sickle comes. As any good farmer, God, has patiently
waited for the harvest, a restoration of the seed to the same stature as
when it was originally planted. A wheat harvest is simply the receiving of a
multiplication of the originally planted seed. There is no increase in
QUALITY, but there is in quantity. One aspect of Harvest is a return to the
original WORD which was sown by the 1st church in the Book of Acts.

If any of this finds shortcomings in our lives, we should begin to correct
the situation, start preaching and living the Original Seed Truth or seek
out a minister and church who does. Remember, we can't STAY IN Mystery
Babylon and COME OUT at the same time. He brings us out to take us in!

The Holy Spirit of God, the bridegroom is calling His People, ..."MY
PEOPLE," ALL OF HIS SHEEP WHEREVER THEY MAY BE, out of Catholicism,
Protestantism, (Harlot Daughter Churches), Pentecostalism, Charismaticism,
..... and etc. He's calling ALL OF HIS PEOPLE back to the spiritual land of
our spiritual birth, ...back to the gospel which began at Jerusalem. He is
calling us out of all dogma, denominationalism, lukewarmness, and
unfaithfulness which has it's roots in the Beast-Harlot spirit.

Wait a minute, you might say. God does not have any of His children, any of
His church, any of His body, ....mixed-up in the Harlot Church World. That
is what you may say. But God says differently. He says, "Come out of Her my
People". Whose people? God's people. Many sheep have gone astray because of
false apostles, false shepherds and hirelings. God will reach for them right
up to the Mid-night hour!


COME OUT OF ROMANISM


HOW TO "Come Out of Her My People" may still be vague to you in some
respects. Let me explain further of what it means to "Come Out of Mystery
Babylon".

The seed of All false religion which first manifested itself through Cain,
found it's first chance of kingdom level expression at the Tower of Babel
kingdom of Nimrod. From that time the Mystery of Iniquity Religion was
scattered and developed, matured, and refined itself as people worshiped
under varied idolatrous religions in all countries, ...yet in reality it was
not many religions, ...but simply One System of Idolatry throughout the
earth. That is crucial to the Mystery.

All that Nimrod's Babel religion became, found its first World-level unified
expression in the Egyptian Dynasties when they dominated the earth. When
Egypt's political reign ceased, the level which false religion had attained
did not cease or die. All that Egypt had become religiously was simply
transferred under different religious names, titles, etc. into the religions
of Assyria. Mystery Babylon, The Great Harlot Spirit has never died. She
simply adapted. Satan never gave up any of his acquired proficiency in
religious rebellion and confusion.

All the Mystery Harlot was in Assyria later moved on into Nebuchadnezzar's
Babylon, later into Medo-Persia, and Greece. By the age of Greece, Mystery
Babylon had manipulated men's religious thinking until a "Pantheon" of
numerous Gods had emerged. In time, the Roman Empire of the Caesars came
along and dominated the world. Into the Pagan Roman empire, Satan's Mystery
Babylon Harlot Spirit injected all of her accumulated religious idolatry,
which had been developed over cultures and centuries to a much grander scale
of deception than Nimrod and Semiramis could have ever imagined. And all of
this was woven into the religious and political life of Pax Romana, ...Pagan
Rome's version of Peace. This is the primary explanation as to why the
multitude of idolatrous deities and practices which were found in the Roman
way of life, were all traceable to pagan religions and cultures which had
long since disappeared from the earth.

Rome's system of military domination, enslavement of conquered souls, and
poly-theistic society was a regime similar to previous civilizations. Yet it
was so much more awesome and controlling than any which the world had ever
seen up to that time. Into this climate came the "Word made flesh," Jesus
Christ, to call out a church, an elect, a remnant. It was within this
atmosphere that the Church of God would have to learn to stand, walk and
mature. This new church and kingdom would have to combat Mystery of Iniquity
from within the Jews religion, Judaism, and from the paganism of the Gentile
religions. Everywhere they turned they faced the Mother Harlot's attacks of
religious confusion.

In time the Apostles passed from the scene and the restraints to the Mystery
of Iniquity gradually weakened until elements of Mystery Babylon's refined
system of Paganism began to establish themselves as part of the church, all
the while calling itself Christian. The False religious vine was weaving
itself among the true church; gaining more and more control. The Mystery
Harlot Spirit transferred her nature into the fellowship of believers; just
as she had done throughout all previous civilizations. She injected the
church community of Jesus Christ with the best she had at that time.

The Paganism of Rome and all that went with it came into the church when
Constantine declared that Christianity would no longer be persecuted and
would become the state religion of the Empire. 

Therefore, all that had been the spiritual life of Rome, became the life
force that was brought to bear upon the church of Jesus Christ. The true
church of God was in time, labeled as heretics and enemies of the state
religion, Popery, Roman Catholicism. Thus, what became known as the
christian church in history was nothing more than Satan's seat, Satan's
synagogue, those who said they were Jews, God's true seed, BUT WERE NOT! How
many of this church-state element knew true repentance and conversion? God
only knows. But, because of this take-over, the true seed of God worshipped
as rebels and multitudes of doctrines became labeled Christian which had no
relationship to New Testament Christianity. They were strains of Paganism.
The Reformation and 20th century Pentecost revealed the numerous errors.
But, many would not come away from all of the Roman elements in spirit,
doctrine and word. Therefore, many strains of Roman Paganism were carried
over into the Protestants and later into the Pentecostals. Regardless to the
level of sincerity, God still wants his people to come all the way home,
....to come completely out of Her.

Let me be clear. Brethern are not necessarily living hypocritical or
insincere lives because they continue to carry within their hearts and minds
the seeds of Mystery Babylon's system of religious confusion, spiritual
adultery, and slavery. Operating under this system which the Mother Harlot
has fostered onto the church, ...ministers and brethern unknowingly worship
God from a religious framework which is unfaithful in some manner to Jehovah
God, ..to their spiritual husband Jesus Christ and His Word.

Friend, brother or sister, as you read this today, do you find any elements
of The Romanish Spirit keeping you from preaching or living it just like the
BIBLE SAYS? Mystery Babylon is still taking captives of the unsuspecting.
But the captivity and slavery is on a spiritual level within the spirits and
minds of men. Save yourself! Pull yourself away from any religious system of
thought, attitude, creed or doctrine which Jesus Christ and the Original 12
Apostles did not preach INTO the foundation of the original Bible Church in
Acts.

MY COMING OUT OF .... 

ROMANISM ~ CATHOLICISM ~ THE MOTHER HARLOT ~ MYSTERY BABYLON 

The Spirt of God years ago said of me; Thus saith the Lord ..."You are a
Roman slave! You wear the Roman Slave Collar. You wear the metal slave
collar which reveals that the Roman Empire has enslaved you!" 

As Mary, I pondered this in my heart. How could this be? I lived in the
United States of America, over 1500 years separated me from the Roman Empire
of the Caesars. A political empire long-since dead. How could I, an American
citizen, be in bondage to a political and religious culture which had long
since passed from the earth? I did not understand. 

Much time went by before I came to understand that civilizations go through
a life and death cycle; ...but, that was not true of religion. Civilizations
and Kingdoms die Politically, ....but Religiously they simply adapt. The
Demonic Spirits which drive them never die! Political Rome had been
defeated; .... but, the religious Spirit of Rome HAD NOT been defeated!! 

Somehow I was Religiously A SLAVE to Pagan Rome! The Spirit of Pagan Rome
had somehow infused itself into my walk with the Lord Jesus Christ,...thus
he revealed, ....Rome has her slave collar on you. Later, as I searched out
what Rome stood for in a religious sense, I found that much of Pagan Rome's
philosophy, idolatry, and spirit, had been infused into the " professing
Christian church" and later called itself Roman Catholicism. That explained
why so much of Roman Catholicism's practices are traceable to Paganistic
origins. 

That much understanding helped, .... but did not give me full understanding
of what the Lord had meant! How was I a slave of Rome?? I was not a
practicing Roman Catholic. I had never been in a Catholic church. I attended
a Protestant Pentecostal church.... How could I be under the domination and
bondage of Rome's paganism, ....while I was Protestant Pentecostal?? The
churches I attended were far from what I considered to be Pagan or Catholic,
....in practice, doctrine, and experience. 

In time I came to realize that I was in bondage to a religious system and
religious spirit which had much in common with ancient Rome and Roman
Catholicism. After some research and prayer, it was made clear that many
Protestant Pentecostal church creeds and doctrines were of Rome, rather than
of Christianity. 

Somehow these Protestant Pentecostal brethren were carriers of the genes of
that same religious spirit of slavery and bondage which had passed from
Pagan Rome into Roman Catholicism. Those same pagan religious genes had been
passed down into my Protestant Pentecostal fellowship. Moreover, I wasn't
even a card-carrying member of their organization, merely an attender. 

Of course, I was not aware of any of this during the time I was converted,
worshiped, played, educated, and received the "gift of the Holy Ghost"
experience among these brethren. These brethren ministered to me, taught me
the way of righteousness, and introduced me to Jesus Christ and the power of
God to save, heal, and deliver. 

This is not to indict; but to reveal a a Religious System and spirit which
was interwoven through-out all we were doing for God. 

This is not speculation nor guessing, ...but Thus Saith the Lord! I know
this is difficult to comprehend, but the Lord will illuminate your
understanding if you begin to ask him. 

It was a battle to get free of that spirit of Romanism. I began to seek the
Lord, study the simplicity of the scriptures, and separated myself from this
fellowship. I began to accept His Word, the Bible, as the Last Word on every
issue which differed with the scriptures. In time I committed myself to the
same simple gospel which the twelve apostles preached in the New Testament.
As I journeyed, ....the truth made me free; ...free from the Pagan Roman
spirit which had enslaved me. 

How did I do it? The same way that every child of God does it! I searched
and found Catholicism's doctrines, creeds, and attitudes which I failed to
find in the New Testament Bible Church of Jesus Christ. I began to divorce
myself from them and began to practice the scripture as best I could. I saw
much paganism and Romanism in our holidays. I stopped believing the Roman
doctrine of "baptismal regeneration", ie.. That water baptism makes you a
member of the church. Merely confessing faith in Jesus Christ was not
scriptural. The keys to the kingdom were that every man was to be born again
of water (water baptism) and of the Spirit (Holy Spirit baptism), he can not
see nor enter the kingdom of God. (John3:3-5) That was exactly like the
first and original salvation message preached by Peter who had been given
the Keys to the Kingdom. The keys were revealed when he said, "Repent and be
baptized (born again of water) everyone of you ......and ye shall receive
gift of the Holy Ghost (born again of the Spirit). (Acts2:38) 

Later the Nicolaitan Doctrine and spirit which Jesus hates (Rev. 2:15) was
unveiled. This man-made doctrine suppressed the common church member by
denominational fences and simply put the saints back into captivity again. 

As I studied further I saw that when that Pentecostal pastor under whom I
was converted baptized me in water, ...he had baptized me in Roman Catholic
baptism, "in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost".
After checking the scripture, and finding not one such scriptural example of
practice, ...I wondered where it came from. 

This may help explain Pope John XIII remarks during the 1962 Ecumenical
Council of Vatican II when he appealed to the leaders of the major
protestant denominations that they may as well unite with Rome, ...."you
have our baptism." 

Of course, I found that a lot of folk in those early centuries did not go
along with the Catholic baptism of "in the name of the Father, and of the
Son, and of the Holy Ghost", either. So like them, I went back to the
scriptures and was baptized "in the name of the Lord Jesus" just like the
believers in the Bible were. 

You might say "these are little things". You are right! A little leaven
leaventh the whole lump! He was right wasn't he? For all practical purposes
the whole lump has been leavened! 

Later I came to the understanding that the Trinity concept was from
converted pagan Greek minds and Roman Catholic origins. 

It was easy to follow the logic and rationale of my brethren's explanation
of the Trinity. However, ...once I had made that commitment to conform all
my understandings to those of the New Testament writers, it was then easy to
see that Trintitarian phrases of "three persons in the Godhead", "God the
Son", "God the Holy Ghost", "Co-eternal", "Co-equal", "Trinity", and etc.
were all NON-Biblical and not to be found in scripture. They were from
outside the Bible. These doctrines were from the minds of carnal men. 

Where did I find them? I found them explained and expounded within the
teachings of those early pagan converts to Christianity who were Greek and
Roman in their thinking. Greek philosophy and Greek concepts of truth were
so highly regarded within Roman Catholicism that a painting of Plato and
Aristotle conversing adorns the walls of the Vatican. (Remember these men
were pagans who existed 300 years before Christ!) 

As I could, I dropped those Romanish creeds and attitudes and attempted to
bring myself into a greater harmony with the BIBLE. 

It was amazing how much of my Christian "thought" and "practice" had been
Roman and Roman Catholic. No wonder the Lord Jesus told me that I was
wearing the Roman Slave Collar. Even now as he reveals to me, I still want
to "Come Out of Romanism", ...to "Come Out of Her, ...Mystery Babylon,
...the Mystery of Iniquity!" and get back to that same pure and powerful
gospel our Apostolic forefathers of the New Testament preached in the Bible.


Let me by clear. By no means do I insinuate that any of these Holy Ghost
filled brethern were living hypocritical or ungodly lives. It was that they
continued to carry within their hearts and minds the seeds of Mystery
Babylon's system of religious confusion and slavery, which later became
Roman Catholicism. By operating under this system which the Mother Harlot
had fostered onto the church, ...these brethren unknowingly worship God from
a religious framework which was unfaithful in some manner to their God, ....

Are you a Slave to Rome?? Are you wearing a Roman Slave Collar?? When a
person teaches and believes Catholic doctrines and creeds they are still in
bondage to Rome. 

Come out of Her Rituals! 

Come out of Her Easy Believeing without Repentance!! 

Come out of Her "Father, Son, & Holy Ghost" Water Baptism !! 

Come out of Her Trinitarian God-Head!! 

Come out of Her Ecclesiastical & Organizational Structures!! 

Come out of Her Nicolaitan Spirit!! 

Come Out Brother, ....Sister that you be not partaker of Her Sin & Her
Plagues!! 

Friend, brother or sister, as you read this today, if you are in fellowship
with a church organization or fellowship which follows the teachings of the
Roman Catholic religious system, you also are in spiritual slavery to Rome.
Most of the preachers think that the fourth kingdom of Nebuchadnezzar's
Image is gone. Some even look with their natural mind at ancient Iraq for a
restoration of that kingdom. It has not been destroyed yet. The stone has
not yet hit the image! But it will soon! And all will be blown away by the
Spirit of God! Come Out of Her MY PEOPLE!! 

Save yourself! Pull yourself away from any religious system of thought,
attitude, creed or doctrine which Jesus Christ and the apostles did not
preach INTO the foundation of the original Bible Church in Acts. 

By doing so you'll help yourself to ...COME OUT OF HER! 

DO NOT WAIT FOR SOME ....SPECIAL ACT OF GOD TO GET YOUR ATTENTION AND TURN
YOU AROUND. GOD HAS JUST BLOWN ANOTHER TRUMPET IN ZION, ....IN YOUR HEARING
.......WITH THIS MESSAGE! 

STUDY THE WORD! PRAY! 

ACCEPT THE WORD IN SIMPLICITY !! 

GET OFF THE "ROMAN" ROAD" to Salvation! 

ASK OUR HEAVENLY FATHER TO CLEANSE YOUR EARS OF ROMAN EAR WAX! 

It is mid-night and the foolish virgins will not have enough oil to carry
them through the spiritual night and darkness that is upon this present
church world. They have lost and will continue to lose the oil (light of
Holy Spirit Revelation) Many hear God speaking but don't have enough light
of revelation to go out to meet him. 

Act quickly and deliver yourself and others by obeying the cry of the Holy
Spirit of God to ..... 

COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!!

 

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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Wed Mar 12 23:22:22 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:22:22 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
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From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:50:56 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
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got it

Kim

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com>
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> All,
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> Please respond if you get this test.
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> "It is very good to rely on G-d completely. As each day begins, I place my
> every movement in G-d's hands, asking that I do only His will. This is very
> good and I have no worries. Whether or not things go right, I am completely
> dependant upon G-d. If He desires otherwise, I have already asked that I do
> only His will."
>                                                           Rabbi Nachman's
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:11:53 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Israeli Air Force Fly Over Auschwitz
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message received!


Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:50:56 -0500From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.comTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgSubject: Re: [Dialogue] Testgot itKim
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com> wrote:




Got itSteve



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All,
 
Please respond if you get this test.
 
Thanks,
 
Glenn          
"It is very good to rely on G-d completely. As each day begins, I place my every movement in G-d's hands, asking that I do only His will. This is very good and I have no worries. Whether or not things go right, I am completely dependant upon G-d. If He desires otherwise, I have already asked that I do only His will."                                                            Rabbi Nachman's Wisdom 2
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From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com  Thu Mar 13 10:25:46 2008
From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:25:46 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Test.
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Yup !  No problem.  Dick L
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brian 
  To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Test.


  Just another test on day 2

  Hey everyone ...

  At 11:11 PM 3/11/2008, you wrote:


    Got it!

    Kim

    On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:38 AM, < carlson_john at bellsouth.net> wrote:

      Test.



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From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com  Thu Mar 13 10:27:08 2008
From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:27:08 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
In-Reply-To: <031220082035.11515.47D83EA4000D186100002CFB22243322829B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net>
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Dick L    OK!!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net 
  To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:35 PM
  Subject: [Dialogue] Test


  All,

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From tsbcroley at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 15:39:00 2008
From: tsbcroley at yahoo.com (Tammy & Bruce Croley)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:39:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] Israeli Air Force Fly Over Auschwitz
In-Reply-To: <BLU125-W46D829A571923478290CFBA090@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <242021.3168.qm@web57109.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

     Thank you Pat for sending this...........it is very moving!!   
         May we never forget!!!
                  Shalom,
                    Tammy

patricia robbins <patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote:    .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }   

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Thu Mar 13 16:32:42 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:32:42 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Israeli Air Force Fly Over Auschwitz
In-Reply-To: <242021.3168.qm@web57109.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005901c88551$c5930150$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Yes, Pat, thanks so much.  Very moving!  It looked as if those who were
there in attendance, both young and old,  were moved as well.  I resound
Tammy's words and join with the voices of others, 

 

Yes, May we never forget!!! 

 

Love and Blessings, 

 

Betty

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Tammy & Bruce Croley
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:39 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Israeli Air Force Fly Over Auschwitz

 

     Thank you Pat for sending this...........it is very moving!!   
         May we never forget!!!
                  Shalom,
                    Tammy

patricia robbins <patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfv3jsLGzL0 


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"It is very good to rely on G-d completely. As each day begins, I place my
every movement in G-d's hands, asking that I do only His will. This is very
good and I have no worries. Whether or not things go right, I am completely
dependant upon G-d. If He desires otherwise, I have already asked that I do
only His will."  

                                                          Rabbi Nachman's
Wisdom 2

  

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From betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 17:59:43 2008
From: betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com (Betty Eddy)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:59:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
In-Reply-To: <031220082035.11515.47D83EA4000D186100002CFB22243322829B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net>
Message-ID: <728744.60554.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I got it.

chattertonw at bellsouth.net wrote:  All,

Please respond if you get this test.

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Thu Mar 13 20:36:40 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:36:40 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Phenomonal 1 minute video of lion and woman who saved
	him!!! 
Message-ID: <009b01c88573$da017140$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Dear friends, 

 

I know this is not the type message we normally send, but Pat Robbins sent
it to me and I just couldn't resist sharing it with all of you.  It is so
inspirational.reminds me of the time to come when the "lion will lie down
with the lamb,".and "no one will kill or destroy on my holy mountain."  

 

Please read this and watch the video.it is less than a minute.and absolutely
phenononal!!!  

The link is at the end of the text.just click.

 

May the love and the shalom shown here be in all our lives,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

Read below before watching:

 

Several years ago this woman found a sick, malnourished

lion cub in the jungle. She took the cub home and fed him and brought 

him up until he was too big to keep anymore. Then she made arrangements with
a 

zoo in Colombia
to take the lion. Here's a video of what happened when she 

went to visit him in the zoo for the first time:



http://www.telestereo.com/Archivos/video.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 13 23:57:59 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:57:59 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Israeli Air Force Fly Over Auschwitz
In-Reply-To: <BLU125-W46D829A571923478290CFBA090@phx.gbl>
References: <917573.41874.qm@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BLU125-W46D829A571923478290CFBA090@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803132157j7e4e53e1sa8afc315202584a8@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Pat

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:11 AM, patricia robbins <
patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfv3jsLGzL0
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From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 12 16:35:19 2008
From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:35:19 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Details on the UIWU April Meeting Hotel
Message-ID: <4080A58B-5504-4B95-9414-FEBC958C87BD@earthlink.net>

I have some very good news regarding the Charlotte United Israel  
meeting to be held April 11-13th. I have been searching all over the  
city for a different hotel than the Courtyard Marriot that we have  
used now for four years. I wanted to see if we could find a larger  
meeting room as well as a full service hotel, but at a price that  
would be reasonable.

Just today I was able to sign a deal with the Doubletree Guest Suites  
in SouthPark in southeast Charlotte! Not only will we have a full  
scale meeting room to hold a larger crowd, but I have negotiated a  
group rate of $99 per night, per room, with up to four guests at no  
extra charge. These are full suite rooms with kitchens, sitting area,  
king or double queen beds, and bath.  They regularly go for $189 per  
night. The location in SouthPark is one of the best in Charlotte with  
lots of restaurants and shops within walking distance, including a  
convenient hotel restaurant.

This rate applies for April 11, 12, 13 (Friday, Saturday, Sunday  
nights). I have blocked off 30 rooms but they will only hold them for  
a limited time. I would encourage those who know they are coming, or  
even if you think you might come, to go ahead and reserve a room while  
we have this rate. You don't have to pay until you check out but can  
give a credit card to guarantee, with cancellation in advance if plans  
change. I really want to encourage people to stay in this hotel  
because it will allow us to hang out together after hours and get the  
most of our time together.

You can call the Doubletree directly at 704-364-2400, ask for  
reservations, and tell them you want the special group rate for the  
United Israel meeting in April. I urge you to make your arrangements  
by the end of next week. If we need more rooms we will try to get  
them. Our program will end Sunday night with a music fest so we  
encourage folks to stay over Sunday night if at all possible.

I will be distributing a full program for the meeting soon but I can  
confirm for you that Simcha Jacobovici, the Emmy award winning  
filmmaker, will be with us. He will not only make a presentation to  
our group on the Lost Tribes (the subject of one of his finest  
documentaries), but he will host a special screening of his film  
"Exodus Decoded" at the Jewish Community Center on Sunday afternoon  
and evening, as part of our extended UIWU weekend (see attached flyer).

Susan Roth will also be with us. Susan is a great friend of UIWU, was  
close to the late David Horowitz, and spends half her time in Israel  
where she has begun the Family of David museum and genealogical  
center. She will be reporting on her work in that regard. I was just  
with her in Jerusalem last weekend and I can't wait for you all to  
hear of her very exciting and significant work.

Hanoch Young will report to us on his current sojourn in Israel.

Joseph Good will give us the latest on his fascinating research on the  
Temple.

Ross Nichols will offer his usually inspiring Bible studies.

I will be telling you the latest about the Mt Zion excavation as well  
as other recent archaeological discoveries I have made in Jerusalem.

We are still hoping that John Hulley can be with us as well, though  
his schedule is uncertain at this time.

More to come soon...

James






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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 10:44:18 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:44:18 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Phenomonal 1 minute video of lion and woman who saved
	him!!!
In-Reply-To: <009b01c88573$da017140$643c66c9@bettygivin>
References: <009b01c88573$da017140$643c66c9@bettygivin>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803140844j73f497ccy4f5995a6b80b9547@mail.gmail.com>

i'm sad it didn't work, even when I copied and pasted it

Love,
Kim

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:

>  Dear friends,
>
>
>
> I know this is not the type message we normally send, but Pat Robbins sent
> it to me and I just couldn't resist sharing it with all of you.  It is so
> inspirational?reminds me of the time to come when the "lion will lie down
> with the lamb,"?and "no one will kill or destroy on my holy mountain."
>
>
>
> *Please read this and watch the video?it is less than a minute?and
> absolutely phenononal!!!  *
>
> *The link is at the end of the text?just click.*
>
> * *
>
> May the love and the shalom shown here be in all our lives,
>
>
>
> Betty/Elisheva
>
>
>
> Read below before watching:
>
>
>
> Several years ago this woman found a sick, malnourished
>
> lion cub in the jungle. She took the cub home and fed him and brought
>
> him up until he was too big to keep anymore. Then she made arrangements
> with a
>
> zoo in Colombia
> to take the lion. Here's a video of what happened when she
>
> went to visit him in the zoo for the first time:
>
>
>
> http://www.telestereo.com/Archivos/video.html
>
>
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 14 14:11:48 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:11:48 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Phenomonal 1 minute video of lion and woman who
	saved	him!!!
Message-ID: <BLU125-W3630D29AEF4CD556B7EC4DBA0A0@phx.gbl>


I hate to hear that, Kim.  It is the most phenomenal clip I've ever seen.  I just now tried it on this message and it played for me, so I don't know what the problem is.  If you can think of anything I can do to help you, just let me know.  I've watched it over and over again.  It blows me away every time! 
 
Love,
 
Pat


Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:44:18 -0500From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.comTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgSubject: Re: [Dialogue] Phenomonal 1 minute video of lion and woman who saved him!!!i'm sad it didn't work, even when I copied and pasted itLove,Kim
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:



Dear friends, 
 
I know this is not the type message we normally send, but Pat Robbins sent it to me and I just couldn't resist sharing it with all of you.  It is so inspirational?reminds me of the time to come when the "lion will lie down with the lamb,"?and "no one will kill or destroy on my holy mountain."  
 
Please read this and watch the video?it is less than a minute?and absolutely phenononal!!!  
The link is at the end of the text?just click.
 
May the love and the shalom shown here be in all our lives,
 
Betty/Elisheva
 
Read below before watching:
 
Several years ago this woman found a sick, malnourishedlion cub in the jungle. She took the cub home and fed him and brought him up until he was too big to keep anymore. Then she made arrangements with a zoo in Colombiato take the lion. Here's a video of what happened when she went to visit him in the zoo for the first time:http://www.telestereo.com/Archivos/video.html
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 14 14:15:51 2008
From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net (Rudolph Ricciardi)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:15:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] Phenomonal 1 minute video of lion and woman who saved
	him!!! 
In-Reply-To: <009b01c88573$da017140$643c66c9@bettygivin>
Message-ID: <21337.9703.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi Betty,
    Someone had sent me this video last week at work.  It is so heartwarming.  I thought also of the time when the "lion will lie down with the lamb"... Animals really know how to  display "true love".
    Can't wait to see you and be with you again in Charlotte.
  Shabbat Shalom with love,
  Linda

Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:
        st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                Dear friends, 
   
  I know this is not the type message we normally send, but Pat Robbins sent it to me and I just couldn?t resist sharing it with all of you.  It is so inspirational
reminds me of the time to come when the ?lion will lie down with the lamb,?
and ?no one will kill or destroy on my holy mountain.?  
   
  Please read this and watch the video
it is less than a minute
and absolutely phenononal!!!  
  The link is at the end of the text
just click.
   
  May the love and the shalom shown here be in all our lives,
   
  Betty/Elisheva
   
  Read below before watching:
   
  Several years ago this woman found a sick, malnourished

lion cub in the jungle. She took the cub home and fed him and brought 

him up until he was too big to keep anymore. Then she made arrangements with a 

zoo in Colombia
to take the lion. Here's a video of what happened when she 

went to visit him in the zoo for the first time:



http://www.telestereo.com/Archivos/video.html
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

_______________________________________________



  Shalom to all!  Linda

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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 14:39:36 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Phenomonal 1 minute video of lion and woman who saved
	him!!!
In-Reply-To: <BLU125-W3630D29AEF4CD556B7EC4DBA0A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU125-W3630D29AEF4CD556B7EC4DBA0A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803141239o72cd61f1w9f9576066af81e56@mail.gmail.com>

Pat,

I got it to play.  I didn't think to try it with internet explorer instead
of firefox.  It is phenomenal!!!


Kim

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:11 PM, patricia robbins <
patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  I hate to hear that, Kim.  It is the most phenomenal clip I've ever
> seen.  I just now tried it on this message and it played for me, so I don't
> know what the problem is.  If you can think of anything I can do to help
> you, just let me know.  I've watched it over and over again.  It blows me
> away every time!
>
> Love,
>
> Pat
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:44:18 -0500
> From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com
> To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Phenomonal 1 minute video of lion and woman who
> saved him!!!
>
>
> i'm sad it didn't work, even when I copied and pasted it
>
> Love,
> Kim
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:
>
>  Dear friends,
>
> I know this is not the type message we normally send, but Pat Robbins sent
> it to me and I just couldn't resist sharing it with all of you.  It is so
> inspirational?reminds me of the time to come when the "lion will lie down
> with the lamb,"?and "no one will kill or destroy on my holy mountain."
>
> *Please read this and watch the video?it is less than a minute?and
> absolutely phenononal!!!  *
> *The link is at the end of the text?just click.*
> * *
> May the love and the shalom shown here be in all our lives,
>
> Betty/Elisheva
>
> Read below before watching:
>
>
> Several years ago this woman found a sick, malnourished
>
> lion cub in the jungle. She took the cub home and fed him and brought
>
> him up until he was too big to keep anymore. Then she made arrangements
> with a
>
> zoo in Colombia
> to take the lion. Here's a video of what happened when she
>
> went to visit him in the zoo for the first time:
>
>
>
> http://www.telestereo.com/Archivos/video.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Fri Mar 14 15:59:35 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:59:35 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Phenomonal 1 minute video of lion and woman who
	savedhim!!! 
In-Reply-To: <21337.9703.qm@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c88616$4f336570$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Linda,  yes, it is very heartwarming!  Can't wait to see you and Rudy again
either.just a few more weeks!

 

Shabbat Shalom early,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Rudolph Ricciardi
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:16 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Phenomonal 1 minute video of lion and woman who
savedhim!!! 

 

Hi Betty,

  Someone had sent me this video last week at work.  It is so heartwarming.
I thought also of the time when the "lion will lie down with the lamb"...
Animals really know how to  display "true love".

  Can't wait to see you and be with you again in Charlotte.

Shabbat Shalom with love,

Linda

Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:

Dear friends, 

 

I know this is not the type message we normally send, but Pat Robbins sent
it to me and I just couldn't resist sharing it with all of you.  It is so
inspirational.reminds me of the time to come when the "lion will lie down
with the lamb,".and "no one will kill or destroy on my holy mountain."  

 

Please read this and watch the video.it is less than a minute.and absolutely
phenononal!!!  

The link is at the end of the text.just click.

 

May the love and the shalom shown here be in all our lives,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

Read below before watching:

 

Several years ago this woman found a sick, malnourished

lion cub in the jungle. She took the cub home and fed him and brought 

him up until he was too big to keep anymore. Then she made arrangements with
a 

zoo in Colombia
to take the lion. Here's a video of what happened when she 

went to visit him in the zoo for the first time:



http://www.telestereo.com/Archivos/video.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_______________________________________________





Shalom to all!  Linda

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Fri Mar 14 16:01:33 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:01:33 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Phenomonal 1 minute video of lion and woman who
	savedhim!!!
In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0803140844j73f497ccy4f5995a6b80b9547@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005101c88616$95cc0f00$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Kim,

 

That is so strange.  It is such a wonderful heartwarming clip.  I will have
to save it for you for the next time I see you in case you still haven't
been able to view it by then. 

 

 Does anyone out there in "technology land" have any suggestions???

 

Love and early Shabbat Shalom,

 

Mom

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of kim alvarado
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:44 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Phenomonal 1 minute video of lion and woman who
savedhim!!!

 

i'm sad it didn't work, even when I copied and pasted it

Love,
Kim

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:

Dear friends, 

 

I know this is not the type message we normally send, but Pat Robbins sent
it to me and I just couldn't resist sharing it with all of you.  It is so
inspirational.reminds me of the time to come when the "lion will lie down
with the lamb,".and "no one will kill or destroy on my holy mountain."  

 

Please read this and watch the video.it is less than a minute.and absolutely
phenononal!!!  

The link is at the end of the text.just click.

 

May the love and the shalom shown here be in all our lives,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

Read below before watching:

 

Several years ago this woman found a sick, malnourished

lion cub in the jungle. She took the cub home and fed him and brought 

him up until he was too big to keep anymore. Then she made arrangements with
a 

zoo in Colombia
to take the lion. Here's a video of what happened when she 

went to visit him in the zoo for the first time:



http://www.telestereo.com/Archivos/video.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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From bkgivin at charter.net  Fri Mar 14 16:08:26 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:08:26 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Details on the UIWU April Meeting Hotel
In-Reply-To: <4080A58B-5504-4B95-9414-FEBC958C87BD@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <006201c88617$8c6a0fb0$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Looks good, James!  Will you or anyone be collecting the admission fee for
the Jacobovichi presentation at the Jewish Community Center on Sunday?  I
noticed it was $10.00 in advance and $15.00 at the door. Would we need a
count and mail the admission for the tickets?  

 

Thanks and early Shabbat Shalom!

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of James Tabor
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:35 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] Details on the UIWU April Meeting Hotel

 

I have some very good news regarding the Charlotte United Israel meeting to
be held April 11-13th. I have been searching all over the city for a
different hotel than the Courtyard Marriot that we have used now for four
years. I wanted to see if we could find a larger meeting room as well as a
full service hotel, but at a price that would be reasonable. 

 

Just today I was able to sign a deal with the Doubletree Guest Suites in
SouthPark in southeast Charlotte! Not only will we have a full scale meeting
room to hold a larger crowd, but I have negotiated a group rate of $99 per
night, per room, with up to four guests at no extra charge. These are full
suite rooms with kitchens, sitting area, king or double queen beds, and
bath.  They regularly go for $189 per night. The location in SouthPark is
one of the best in Charlotte with lots of restaurants and shops within
walking distance, including a convenient hotel restaurant.

 

This rate applies for April 11, 12, 13 (Friday, Saturday, Sunday nights). I
have blocked off 30 rooms but they will only hold them for a limited time. I
would encourage those who know they are coming, or even if you think you
might come, to go ahead and reserve a room while we have this rate. You
don't have to pay until you check out but can give a credit card to
guarantee, with cancellation in advance if plans change. I really want to
encourage people to stay in this hotel because it will allow us to hang out
together after hours and get the most of our time together.

 

You can call the Doubletree directly at 704-364-2400, ask for reservations,
and tell them you want the special group rate for the United Israel meeting
in April. I urge you to make your arrangements by the end of next week. If
we need more rooms we will try to get them. Our program will end Sunday
night with a music fest so we encourage folks to stay over Sunday night if
at all possible.

 

I will be distributing a full program for the meeting soon but I can confirm
for you that Simcha Jacobovici, the Emmy award winning filmmaker, will be
with us. He will not only make a presentation to our group on the Lost
Tribes (the subject of one of his finest documentaries), but he will host a
special screening of his film "Exodus Decoded" at the Jewish Community
Center on Sunday afternoon and evening, as part of our extended UIWU weekend
(see attached flyer).

 

Susan Roth will also be with us. Susan is a great friend of UIWU, was close
to the late David Horowitz, and spends half her time in Israel where she has
begun the Family of David museum and genealogical center. She will be
reporting on her work in that regard. I was just with her in Jerusalem last
weekend and I can't wait for you all to hear of her very exciting and
significant work.

 

Hanoch Young will report to us on his current sojourn in Israel.

 

Joseph Good will give us the latest on his fascinating research on the
Temple.

 

Ross Nichols will offer his usually inspiring Bible studies.

 

I will be telling you the latest about the Mt Zion excavation as well as
other recent archaeological discoveries I have made in Jerusalem.

 

We are still hoping that John Hulley can be with us as well, though his
schedule is uncertain at this time.

 

More to come soon...

 

James

 

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From loyb at prodigy.net  Fri Mar 14 18:35:52 2008
From: loyb at prodigy.net (Loy)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:35:52 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] LINDA
Message-ID: <044d01c8862c$251fc060$de86fea9@loyc30e02e1325>

Hi Linda,

  Tried to get reservations last night with my rewards points thru AA but 
could not get connections.   They said to try back closer to the time and 
maybe they would have cancellations. Then I tried thru Capitol One and it 
would cost me double the points thru them.    I am so sorry that
Deb is left up in the air/ not knowing.

If you could give me her phone #  or have her call me I would like to talk 
to her as to some alternative options I have.   My # is 254-741-1699 home
254-722-8825 cell
I could call her right back if that is a problem as it would be free for me. 
I have AT&T.   thanks,   Loy

Baruch Kevod YHVH mimkomo.

Blessed is the glory of YHVH from His place


.







From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 15 06:39:28 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:39:28 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Dr. Walter Oakley
In-Reply-To: <022820080421.6031.47C636E1000E66D20000178F22243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net>
References: <022820080421.6031.47C636E1000E66D20000178F22243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803150439x6053bf1bu19f7742439ca3e64@mail.gmail.com>

John,

Just now getting to this email.  This is a fabulous website.  Thank you for
forwarding it to us.

Kim

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:21 PM, <carlson_john at bellsouth.net> wrote:

>  Hey y'all.  The following is a link to a new website featuring Dr. Walter
> Oakley who has tauhgt at Rootes of Faith.  There is a wealth of information
> on the Hebraic roots of Christianity.  Check it out.
>
> http://torahfocus.com/
>
> --
> John C.
>
> "Be excellent to each other!"
> Bill and Ted
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 15 21:10:29 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:10:29 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] yeshiva massacre
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803151910s3fc89042ye6d77c5bf0a8b3e4@mail.gmail.com>

*I am forwarding this.  I received it from Rabbi Uri in New Orleans.

Please let us take a moment to pray for all those injured in the terrorist
attack last Thursday in the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem. Our hearts go
out to all the families of the victims of that brutal attack and we pray
that this Shabbat will bring peace to our people. To watch a very powerful
video clip memorializing this tragedy, please click here: **
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I4O0WSvevs<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=5694906&msgid=77147&act=F76H&c=157837&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1I4O0WSvevs>


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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sat Mar 15 22:40:01 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:40:01 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] yeshiva massacre
In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0803151910s3fc89042ye6d77c5bf0a8b3e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c88717$6a454020$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Kim, thank-you so much for forwarding this extremely powerful and moving
video on to us.  Hearing about the massacre was shocking and tragic
enough.but seeing these photos of the brutal murders, and looking into the
eyes of the innocent young boys who have been ripped from this life by a mad
man, like Amalek of old, made it all the more real and tragic.  May HaShem
avenge their blood!

 

When tragedies like this happen, we often are very moved, but then go on
with our lives, but for the friends and families of these young boys, life
has stopped.they will need to be covered with many prayers for comfort and
courage and strength to go on. I simply cannot imagine their pain.

 

May we continue to go to HaShem in their behalf and may we continue to lift
up our prayers for the pray for Peace of Yerushalayim!

 

Love and Blessings, 

 

Mom/Betty

 

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From: uilist-bounces at unitedisrael.org
[mailto:uilist-bounces at unitedisrael.org] On Behalf Of Kim Molnar
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:10 PM
To: UI List
Subject: [UILIST] Yeshiva massacre

 

I am forwarding this.  I received it from Rabbi Uri in New Orleans.

Please let us take a moment to pray for all those injured in the terrorist
attack last Thursday in the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem. Our hearts go
out to all the families of the victims of that brutal attack and we pray
that this Shabbat will bring peace to our people. To watch a very powerful
video clip memorializing this tragedy, please click here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I4O0WSvevs
<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=5694906&msgid=77147&act=F76H&c=15
7837&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1I4O0WSv
evs> 


Kim

 

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of kim alvarado
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:10 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] yeshiva massacre

 

I am forwarding this.  I received it from Rabbi Uri in New Orleans.

Please let us take a moment to pray for all those injured in the terrorist
attack last Thursday in the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem. Our hearts go
out to all the families of the victims of that brutal attack and we pray
that this Shabbat will bring peace to our people. To watch a very powerful
video clip memorializing this tragedy, please click here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I4O0WSvevs
<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=5694906&msgid=77147&act=F76H&c=15
7837&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1I4O0WSv
evs> 


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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Sun Mar 16 01:44:48 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:44:48 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] two links for discussion
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From youngbarzel at aol.com  Sun Mar 16 04:25:13 2008
From: youngbarzel at aol.com (youngbarzel at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:25:13 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] two links for discussion
In-Reply-To: <200803160644.m2G6ikEf027072@mail124c25.carrierzone.com>
References: <200803160644.m2G6ikEf027072@mail124c25.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <8CA555EC5B8DC6B-16B4-41B@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com>

Hey Steve - 

??? Greetings from Jerusalem....Both are very interesting sites, although I had never seen as Years of awe site before.? Got to go now, but I'd like to give folks? a chance to check them out, and maybe I'll comment on their comments, LOL.? Special regards from G-d's Chosen Land.
?
????? Hanoch


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 8:44 am
Subject: [Dialogue] two links for discussion


Friends, 
Here are a couple of links to stir your blood and plenty of items for discussion.

http://yearsofawe.blogspot.com

http://www.machonshilo.org 

Steve



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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Sun Mar 16 09:06:09 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:06:09 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] yeshiva massacre
In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0803151910s3fc89042ye6d77c5bf0a8b3e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c8dbb6e0803151910s3fc89042ye6d77c5bf0a8b3e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01f001c8876e$e4095bb0$0200a8c0@marvin>

The prophets cried out asking God how long...  how long are your people to
be led as sheep to the slaughter..  how long are you going to sit by and
watch the Nations devour and destroy your people...   how long O God are we
to see Judah's blood in the streets before you act?   How long and how many
more have to die before you have had enough? How long YHVH.. How long till
there is peace in the earth?

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of kim alvarado
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:10 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] yeshiva massacre

 

I am forwarding this.  I received it from Rabbi Uri in New Orleans.

Please let us take a moment to pray for all those injured in the terrorist
attack last Thursday in the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem. Our hearts go
out to all the families of the victims of that brutal attack and we pray
that this Shabbat will bring peace to our people. To watch a very powerful
video clip memorializing this tragedy, please click here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I4O0WSvevs
<http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=5694906&msgid=77147&act=F76H&c=15
7837&admin=0&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1I4O0WSv
evs> 


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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sun Mar 16 09:25:01 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:25:01 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Hanoch's Response, Yehsiva Massacre
Message-ID: <001601c88771$859cf750$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Shalom to all from Jerusalem - 

 

     Kim, thank you for posting this - THIS is what is on the lips and minds
of everyone here in Jerusalem, this past week.  It has cut across political
lines and the different factions of Jews here in the Land of Israel - Eretz
<>  Yisrael <> .  It's 6:44AM <>  on Sunday morning, and I am up because I'm
going to the Har <>  HaMenuchot <>  Cemetary <>  for a memorial service for
my friend Baruch's <>  son, Yehuda <> , who had been killed several years
ago during the midst of the 'Oslo War.'  Also, a young guy, who will never
experience love, marry, raise a family....cut off from life, before he had
even gotten started living.

 

     From there, I will visit the grave of my teacher, Of Blessed Memory,
Rav <>  Meir <>  Kahane <> , who actually warned us all about what we've
been seeing happen since the 'Oslo Accords.'  Remember, the murdering islamo
<> -nazi <>  savage who perpetrated this massacre was an 'Israeli Arab' - a
CITIZEN of the State of Israel.  It make me want to throw up.....

     Two quick notes about those who were slaughtered, just 10 days ago;
firstly, Israel doesn't have '6 degrees of separation' like we have in
America.  One young boy, Segev <>  Avichayil <> , just 15 years old - his
father was one of Kyra's <>  Rabbi's last year when she was at Orot <>  -
the Advanced Torah seminary she attended.  His grandfathter <> , Rav <>
Eliyahu <>  Avichayil <> , is the founder of Amishav <>  ('my people
return'), who has done the most in Israel over the years, to work towrds <>
finding the '10 Lost Tribes,'  even though I disagree with his conclusions,
it was his work that first but the 'Triber <> ' issue on the map here.

      Doron <> , was the oldest victim, in his 20's, having arrived in
Israel at age 8 from the hell of Ethiopia.  His heart yearned to learn Torah
and he applied for the finest of Israeli yeshivot <>  - Merkaz <>  HaRav <>
; but having started learning Torah later in life then the other Yeshiva
students, he simply didn't have sufficient background to be accepted.  But
he would not be deterred, he asked for a job in the Yeshiva as a dishwasher!
He would then listen in on what the boys were studying, and late at night,
on his own, he would study until the early hours of the morning.....until he
reached a point where he went and asked, no - INSISTED, that he be tested by
the head of the Yeshiva.  Remember, no one knew what he had been doing....
He had become so highly knowledgeable, that he was immediately accepted into
the Yeshiva, at full scholarship - on the spot!  He wanted to be a Rabbi, to
help other Ethiopian Jews.....ripped from our midst....

    Betty or Kim - could you please 'cut & paste' this to the Dialogue list,
I can't seem to do that on this computer; toda <> !

    Too many memorials, too many funerals.......ENOUGH!

    With a heavy heart and the the fire of revenge burning in it,
                      Hanoch <> , from the holiest city on Earth





 

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sun Mar 16 10:55:22 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:55:22 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Regarding welcoming the stranger, a rabbi's approach
Message-ID: <003d01c8877e$24792f90$643c66c9@bettygivin>

I would like to share a couple of brief comments from the rabbi of the
synagogue which I attend.  It is in regards to "the stranger." and I think
that it shows where his heart is, which is very refreshing.

 

"As Passover approaches, we start to appreciate our pizza or sandwiches a
little more.  We might start to think about Seder plans, even joining CBI
for 2nd Seder.

 

But Passover is more than bread and Seder.  Each year we are supposed to
imagine that we, ourselves, were freed from slavery. We are supposed to
relearn the lessons of Egypt and in case we forgot, the Torah reminds us
four different times that we should act kindly to strangers for we were
strangers in the land of Egypt.  This teaching has major implications within
our CBI community.

 

We have "strangers" that walk into CBI all the time: strangers who are new
to the area and are looking for a Jewish community, strangers who are
thinking about conversion and may never have stepped foot in a synagogue
before, and strangers who may have known about us for years and are finally
giving us a chance.

 

We also have "strangers" who are members of our community, but aren't always
comfortable here.  Parents with young children have been shushed at
services.  Members who are raising Jewish families even though they are not
Jewish have not always felt warmly received.  And there are many members who
do not come every week but still want to feel connected.  

 

As a kehilah kedoshah,a sacred community, each one of us has the obligation
to make CBI a welcoming place.  We owe it to the strangers in our midst, we
owe it to our congregation, and we owe it to ourselves to ensure that CBI is
a place where we can all belong.  We will need to reach out and connect and
it takes awareness and effort.  To welcome the stranger, we can't be
strangers, but together we all will be able to call CBI our spiritual home."

 

Shavuah tov to all, (Have a good week!)

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

 

 

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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Sun Mar 16 12:34:30 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:34:30 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Alert in Jerusalem
Message-ID: <200803161734.m2GHYTd6020383@mail116c25.carrierzone.com>

Friends,

I just found out that there is a HIGH terror alert in Jerusalem, it 
appears that there is an islamo-nazi is on the loose with a suicide 
bomb belt... as you all know, Hanoch is in Jerusalem, and not just 
for his sake, but for Jerusalem's sake, please pray that this 
murderer not succeed in his plans at all, and be foiled...  May 
Hashem have mercy on us.

Steve



From bkgivin at charter.net  Sun Mar 16 13:11:24 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:11:24 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Alert in Jerusalem
In-Reply-To: <200803161734.m2GHYTd6020383@mail116c25.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c88791$253f4410$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Steve, thanks so much for the info, so that we can join together in prayer!
This high terror alert must be so scary for those living in the city,
especially since it comes so closely on the heels of the brutal massacre of
the young yeshiva students.  

May this modern day Amalek be stopped 'dead' in his tracks before he can do
any more danger to innocent people!  Yes, may HaShem have mercy and provide
protection to our beloved Hanoch, and to all His people in Yerushalayim! May
they find shelter under the Shadow of His Wings!

Betty/Elisheva

-----Original Message-----
From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:35 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] Alert in Jerusalem

Friends,

I just found out that there is a HIGH terror alert in Jerusalem, it 
appears that there is an islamo-nazi is on the loose with a suicide 
bomb belt... as you all know, Hanoch is in Jerusalem, and not just 
for his sake, but for Jerusalem's sake, please pray that this 
murderer not succeed in his plans at all, and be foiled...  May 
Hashem have mercy on us.

Steve

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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 16 19:07:28 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:07:28 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Alert in Jerusalem
In-Reply-To: <200803161734.m2GHYTd6020383@mail116c25.carrierzone.com>
References: <200803161734.m2GHYTd6020383@mail116c25.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803161707n6a5b5cb6t6fe79583ec5a74ba@mail.gmail.com>

Just came home from work and got this.  Thank you for letting us know.  Will
begin praying.

Kim

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com>
wrote:

> Friends,
>
> I just found out that there is a HIGH terror alert in Jerusalem, it
> appears that there is an islamo-nazi is on the loose with a suicide
> bomb belt... as you all know, Hanoch is in Jerusalem, and not just
> for his sake, but for Jerusalem's sake, please pray that this
> murderer not succeed in his plans at all, and be foiled...  May
> Hashem have mercy on us.
>
> Steve
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 16 19:09:15 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:09:15 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Regarding welcoming the stranger, a rabbi's approach
In-Reply-To: <003d01c8877e$24792f90$643c66c9@bettygivin>
References: <003d01c8877e$24792f90$643c66c9@bettygivin>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803161709x3d9078c2j30156b1187204e7@mail.gmail.com>

very refreshing!
KIm

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:

>  I would like to share a couple of brief comments from the rabbi of the
> synagogue which I attend.  It is in regards to "the stranger." and I think
> that it shows where his heart is, which is very refreshing.
>
>
>
> "As Passover approaches, we start to appreciate our pizza or sandwiches a
> little more.  We might start to think about Seder plans, even joining CBI
> for 2nd Seder.
>
>
>
> But Passover is more than bread and Seder.  Each year we are supposed to
> imagine that we, ourselves, were freed from slavery. We are supposed to
> relearn the lessons of Egypt and in case we forgot, the *Torah reminds us
> four different times that we should act kindly to strangers for we were
> strangers in the land of Egypt.  This teaching has major implications
> within our CBI community.*
>
>
>
> We have *"strangers" *that walk into CBI all the time: *strangers who are
> new to the area *and are looking for a Jewish community, *strangers who
> are thinking about conversion and may never have stepped foot in a synagogue
> * before, and strangers who may have known about us for years and are
> finally giving us a chance.
>
>
>
> We also have *"strangers" who are members of our community*, but aren't
> always comfortable here.  Parents with young children have been shushed at
> services.  *Members who are raising Jewish families even though they are
> not Jewish* have not always felt warmly received.  And there are many
> members who do not come every week but still want to feel connected.
>
>
>
> *As a kehilah kedoshah,a sacred community*, each one of us has the
> obligation to make CBI a welcoming place.  We owe it to the strangers in our
> midst, we owe it to our congregation, and we owe it to ourselves to ensure
> that CBI is a place where we can all belong. * We will need to reach out
> and connect and it takes awareness and effort. * *To welcome the stranger,
> we can't be strangers*, but together we all will be able to call CBI our
> spiritual home."
>
>
>
> Shavuah tov to all, (Have a good week!)
>
>
>
> Betty/Elisheva
>
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sun Mar 16 19:15:07 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:15:07 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: A Beautiful Jewish Story
Message-ID: <001701c887c3$f4f1d100$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Friends, I just received this from an Israeli friend of mine.  I hope you
will read it thru and be blessed as much as I was! 

 Betty

 

Time
Subj: FW: A Beautiful Jewish Story

Eilat Gutman

Information Specialist

SOVA Community Food & Resource Program

Jewish Family Service of Los Angeles

(818) 988-7682 x 108



This is rather long but it is a beautiful Jewish/feel good story.



On his way out from shul in Jerusalem, Dan approached a young man in 
Dungarees, backpack, dark skin, curly black hair -- looked Sephardi, 
maybe Moroccan.
"Good Shabbos. My name is Dan Eisenblatt. Would you like to eat at my 
house tonight?"


The young man's face broke in an instant from a worried look to a smile.


"Yeah, thanks. My name is Machi."


Together they walked out of the shul. A few minutes later they were all 
standing around Dan's Shabbos table. Dan noticed his guest fidgeting 
and leafing through his songbook, apparently looking for something. He 
asked with a smile, "Is there a song you want to sing? I can help if 
you're not sure about the tune."


The guest's face lit up. "There is a song I'd like to sing, but I can't 
find it here. I really liked what we sang in the synagogue tonight. 
What was it called? Something 'dodi.'"


Dan paused for a moment, on the verge of saying, "It's not usually sung 
at the table," but then he caught himself. "If that's what the kid 
wants," he thought, "what's the harm?" Aloud he said, "You mean Lecha 
Dodi. Wait, let me get you a siddur."


Once they had sung Lecha Dodi, the young man resumed his silence until 
after the soup, when Dan asked him, "Which song now?" The guest looked 
embarrassed, but after a bit of encourage-ment said firmly, "I'd really 
like to sing Lecha Dodi again."


Dan was not really all that surprised when, after the chicken, he asked 
his guest what song now, and the young man said, "Lecha Dodi, please." 
Dan almost blurted out, "Let's sing it a little softer this time, the 
neighbors are going to think I'm nuts." He finally said, "Don't you 
want to sing something else?"


His guest blushed and looked down. "I just really like that one," he 
mumbled. "Just something about it - I really like it."
In all, they must have sung "The Song" eight or nine times. Dan wasn't 
sure -- he lost count. Later Dan asked, "Where are you from?" The boy 
looked pained, then stared down at the floor and said softly, 
"Ramallah."


Dan's was sure he'd heard the boy say "Ramallah," a large Arab city on 
the West Bank. Quickly he caught himself, and then realized that he 
must have said Ramleh, an Israeli city. Dan said, "Oh, I have a cousin 
there. Do you know Ephraim Warner? He lives on Herzl Street."


The young man shook his head sadly. "There are no Jews in Ramallah."


Dan gasped. He really had said "Ramallah"! His thoughts were racing. 
Did he just spend Shabbos with an Arab? He told the boy, "I'm sorry, 
I'm a bit confused. And now that I think of it, I haven't even asked 
your full name. What is it, please?"


The boy looked nervous for a moment, then squared his shoulders and 
said quietly, "Machmud Ibn-esh-Sharif."
Dan stood there speechless. What could he say? Machmud broke the 
silence hesitantly: "I was born and grew up in Ramallah. I was taught 
to hate my Jewish oppressors, and to think that killing them was 
heroism.


But I always had my doubts. I mean, we were taught that the Sunna, the 
tradition, says, 'No one of you is a believer until he desires for his 
brother that which he desires for himself.' I used to sit and wonder, 
Weren't the Yahud (Jews) people, too? Didn't they have the right to 
live the same as us? If we're supposed to be good to everyone, how come 
nobody includes Jews in that? "I put these questions to my father, and 
he threw me out of the house. By now my mind was made up: I was going 
to run away and live with the Yahud, until I could find out what they 
were really like. I snuck back into the house that night, to get my 
things and my backpack.


My mother caught me in the middle of packing. I told her that I wanted 
to go live with the Jews for a while and find out what they're really 
like and maybe I would even want to convert.
She was turning more and more pale while I said all this, and I thought 
she was angry, but that wasn't it. Something else was hurting her and 
she whispered gently, 'You don't have to convert. You already are a 
Jew.' "I was shocked. My head started spinning, and for a moment I 
couldn't speak. Then I stammered, 'What do you mean?' 'In Judaism,' she 
told me, 'the religion goes according to the mother.


I'm Jewish, so that means you're Jewish.' "I never had any idea my 
mother was Jewish. I guess she didn't want anyone to know. She 
whispered suddenly, 'I made a mistake by marrying an Arab man. In you, 
my mistake will be redeemed.' "My mother always talked that way, 
poetic-like. She went and dug out some old documents, and handed them 
to me: things like my birth certificate and her old Israeli ID card, so 
I could prove I was a Jew.


I've got them here, but I don't know what to do with them.
"My mother hesitated about one piece of paper. Then she said, 'You may 
as well take this. It is an old photograph of my grand-parents which 
was taken when they went visiting the grave of some great ancestor of 
ours.' "Now I have traveled here to Israel. I'm just trying to find out 
where I belong."


Dan gently put his hand on Machmud's shoulder. Machmud looked up, 
scared and hopeful at the same time. Dan asked, "Do you have the photo 
here?"


The boy's face lit up. ""Sure! I always carry it with me." He reached 
in his backpack and pulled out an old, tattered envelope.


When Dan read the gravestone inscription, he nearly dropped the photo. 
He rubbed his eyes to make sure. There was no doubt. This was a grave 
in the old cemetery in Tzfat, and the inscription identified it as the 
grave of the great Kabbalist and tzaddik Rabbi Shlomo Alkabetz.


Dan's voice quivered with excitement as he explained to Machmud who his 
ancestor was. "He was a friend of the Arizal, a great Torah scholar, a 
tzaddik, a mystic. And, Machmud, your ancestor wrote that song we were 
singing all Shabbos: Lecha Dodi!"


This time it was Machmud's turn to be struck speechless. Dan extended 
his trembling hand and said, "Welcome home, Machmud."


This true story, submitted by Nechama Goodman, is documented in 
"Monsey, Kiryat Sefer and Beyond" by Zev Roth.



 


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From tsbcroley at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 16 19:49:06 2008
From: tsbcroley at yahoo.com (Tammy & Bruce Croley)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:49:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: A Beautiful Jewish Story
In-Reply-To: <001701c887c3$f4f1d100$643c66c9@bettygivin>
Message-ID: <154990.27525.qm@web57105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Betty, 
    Thank you so much for sharing this story.   I have already forwarded it to several of my friends.  Thanks again!
Shalom,
Tammy

Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:        v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}         st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }           Friends, I just received this from an Israeli friend of mine.  I hope you will read it thru and be blessed as much as I was! 
   Betty
             
  Time
 Subj: FW: A Beautiful Jewish Story
  
      Eilat Gutman
  Information Specialist
  SOVA Community Food & Resource Program
  Jewish Family Service of Los Angeles
  (818) 988-7682 x 108
  
      
 
 This is rather long but it is a beautiful Jewish/feel good story.
 
 
 
 On his way out from shul in Jerusalem, Dan approached a young man in 
 Dungarees, backpack, dark skin, curly black hair -- looked Sephardi, 
 maybe Moroccan.
 "Good Shabbos. My name is Dan Eisenblatt. Would you like to eat at my 
 house tonight?"
 
 
 The young man's face broke in an instant from a worried look to a smile.
 
 
 "Yeah, thanks. My name is Machi."
 
 
 Together they walked out of the shul. A few minutes later they were all 
 standing around Dan's Shabbos table. Dan noticed his guest fidgeting 
 and leafing through his songbook, apparently looking for something. He 
 asked with a smile, "Is there a song you want to sing? I can help if 
 you're not sure about the tune."
 
 
 The guest's face lit up. "There is a song I'd like to sing, but I can't 
 find it here. I really liked what we sang in the synagogue tonight. 
 What was it called? Something 'dodi.'"
 
 
 Dan paused for a moment, on the verge of saying, "It's not usually sung 
 at the table," but then he caught himself. "If that's what the kid 
 wants," he thought, "what's the harm?" Aloud he said, "You mean Lecha 
 Dodi. Wait, let me get you a siddur."
 
 
 Once they had sung Lecha Dodi, the young man resumed his silence until 
 after the soup, when Dan asked him, "Which song now?" The guest looked 
 embarrassed, but after a bit of encourage-ment said firmly, "I'd really 
 like to sing Lecha Dodi again."
 
 
 Dan was not really all that surprised when, after the chicken, he asked 
 his guest what song now, and the young man said, "Lecha Dodi, please." 
 Dan almost blurted out, "Let's sing it a little softer this time, the 
 neighbors are going to think I'm nuts." He finally said, "Don't you 
 want to sing something else?"
 
 
 His guest blushed and looked down. "I just really like that one," he 
 mumbled. "Just something about it - I really like it."
 In all, they must have sung "The Song" eight or nine times. Dan wasn't 
 sure -- he lost count. Later Dan asked, "Where are you from?" The boy 
 looked pained, then stared down at the floor and said softly, 
 "Ramallah."
 
 
 Dan's was sure he'd heard the boy say "Ramallah," a large Arab city on 
 the West Bank. Quickly he caught himself, and then realized that he 
 must have said Ramleh, an Israeli city. Dan said, "Oh, I have a cousin 
 there. Do you know Ephraim Warner? He lives on Herzl Street."
 
 
 The young man shook his head sadly. "There are no Jews in Ramallah."
 
 
 Dan gasped. He really had said "Ramallah"! His thoughts were racing. 
 Did he just spend Shabbos with an Arab? He told the boy, "I'm sorry, 
 I'm a bit confused. And now that I think of it, I haven't even asked 
 your full name. What is it, please?"
 
 
 The boy looked nervous for a moment, then squared his shoulders and 
 said quietly, "Machmud Ibn-esh-Sharif."
 Dan stood there speechless. What could he say? Machmud broke the 
 silence hesitantly: "I was born and grew up in Ramallah. I was taught 
 to hate my Jewish oppressors, and to think that killing them was 
 heroism.
 
 
 But I always had my doubts. I mean, we were taught that the Sunna, the 
 tradition, says, 'No one of you is a believer until he desires for his 
 brother that which he desires for himself.' I used to sit and wonder, 
 Weren't the Yahud (Jews) people, too? Didn't they have the right to 
 live the same as us? If we're supposed to be good to everyone, how come 
 nobody includes Jews in that? "I put these questions to my father, and 
 he threw me out of the house. By now my mind was made up: I was going 
 to run away and live with the Yahud, until I could find out what they 
 were really like. I snuck back into the house that night, to get my 
 things and my backpack.
 
 
 My mother caught me in the middle of packing. I told her that I wanted 
 to go live with the Jews for a while and find out what they're really 
 like and maybe I would even want to convert.
 She was turning more and more pale while I said all this, and I thought 
 she was angry, but that wasn't it. Something else was hurting her and 
 she whispered gently, 'You don't have to convert. You already are a 
 Jew.' "I was shocked. My head started spinning, and for a moment I 
 couldn't speak. Then I stammered, 'What do you mean?' 'In Judaism,' she 
 told me, 'the religion goes according to the mother.
 
 
 I'm Jewish, so that means you're Jewish.' "I never had any idea my 
 mother was Jewish. I guess she didn't want anyone to know. She 
 whispered suddenly, 'I made a mistake by marrying an Arab man. In you, 
 my mistake will be redeemed.' "My mother always talked that way, 
 poetic-like. She went and dug out some old documents, and handed them 
 to me: things like my birth certificate and her old Israeli ID card, so 
 I could prove I was a Jew.
 
 
 I've got them here, but I don't know what to do with them.
 "My mother hesitated about one piece of paper. Then she said, 'You may 
 as well take this. It is an old photograph of my grand-parents which 
 was taken when they went visiting the grave of some great ancestor of 
 ours.' "Now I have traveled here to Israel. I'm just trying to find out 
 where I belong."
 
 
 Dan gently put his hand on Machmud's shoulder. Machmud looked up, 
 scared and hopeful at the same time. Dan asked, "Do you have the photo 
 here?"
 
 
 The boy's face lit up. ""Sure! I always carry it with me." He reached 
 in his backpack and pulled out an old, tattered envelope.
 
 
 When Dan read the gravestone inscription, he nearly dropped the photo. 
 He rubbed his eyes to make sure. There was no doubt. This was a grave 
 in the old cemetery in Tzfat, and the inscription identified it as the 
 grave of the great Kabbalist and tzaddik Rabbi Shlomo Alkabetz.
 
 
 Dan's voice quivered with excitement as he explained to Machmud who his 
 ancestor was. "He was a friend of the Arizal, a great Torah scholar, a 
 tzaddik, a mystic. And, Machmud, your ancestor wrote that song we were 
 singing all Shabbos: Lecha Dodi!"
 
 
 This time it was Machmud's turn to be struck speechless. Dan extended 
 his trembling hand and said, "Welcome home, Machmud."
 
 
 This true story, submitted by Nechama Goodman, is documented in 
 "Monsey, Kiryat Sefer and Beyond" by Zev Roth.
 
 
       
    
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sun Mar 16 20:38:14 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:38:14 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: A Beautiful Jewish Story
In-Reply-To: <154990.27525.qm@web57105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c887cf$91a1a8d0$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Tammy, you are most welcome!  I loved this story and couldn't resist sending
it.  I wonder how many others there are who do not yet know the secret of
their heritage?  Great to see your name on the list and so glad that you
were blessed by the story.  It blew me away!  Every time I sing Lecha Dodi
from now on, I will think of it!  Shalom and Blessings,  Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Tammy & Bruce Croley
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 7:49 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] FW: A Beautiful Jewish Story

 

Betty, 
    Thank you so much for sharing this story.   I have already forwarded it
to several of my friends.  Thanks again!
Shalom,
Tammy

Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:

Friends, I just received this from an Israeli friend of mine.  I hope you
will read it thru and be blessed as much as I was! 

 Betty

 

Time
Subj: FW: A Beautiful Jewish Story

Eilat Gutman

Information Specialist

SOVA Community Food & Resource Program

Jewish Family Service of Los Angeles

(818) 988-7682 x 108



This is rather long but it is a beautiful Jewish/feel good story.



On his way out from shul in Jerusalem, Dan approached a young man in 
Dungarees, backpack, dark skin, curly black hair -- looked Sephardi, 
maybe Moroccan.
"Good Shabbos. My name is Dan Eisenblatt. Would you like to eat at my 
house tonight?"


The young man's face broke in an instant from a worried look to a smile.


"Yeah, thanks. My name is Machi."


Together they walked out of the shul. A few minutes later they were all 
standing around Dan's Shabbos table. Dan noticed his guest fidgeting 
and leafing through his songbook, apparently looking for something. He 
asked with a smile, "Is there a song you want to sing? I can help if 
you're not sure about the tune."


The guest's face lit up. "There is a song I'd like to sing, but I can't 
find it here. I really liked what we sang in the synagogue tonight. 
What was it called? Something 'dodi.'"


Dan paused for a moment, on the verge of saying, "It's not usually sung 
at the table," but then he caught himself. "If that's what the kid 
wants," he thought, "what's the harm?" Aloud he said, "You mean Lecha 
Dodi. Wait, let me get you a siddur."


Once they had sung Lecha Dodi, the young man resumed his silence until 
after the soup, when Dan asked him, "Which song now?" The guest looked 
embarrassed, but after a bit of encourage-ment said firmly, "I'd really 
like to sing Lecha Dodi again."


Dan was not really all that surprised when, after the chicken, he asked 
his guest what song now, and the young man said, "Lecha Dodi, please." 
Dan almost blurted out, "Let's sing it a little softer this time, the 
neighbors are going to think I'm nuts." He finally said, "Don't you 
want to sing something else?"


His guest blushed and looked down. "I just really like that one," he 
mumbled. "Just something about it - I really like it."
In all, they must have sung "The Song" eight or nine times. Dan wasn't 
sure -- he lost count. Later Dan asked, "Where are you from?" The boy 
looked pained, then stared down at the floor and said softly, 
"Ramallah."


Dan's was sure he'd heard the boy say "Ramallah," a large Arab city on 
the West Bank. Quickly he caught himself, and then realized that he 
must have said Ramleh, an Israeli city. Dan said, "Oh, I have a cousin 
there. Do you know Ephraim Warner? He lives on Herzl Street."


The young man shook his head sadly. "There are no Jews in Ramallah."


Dan gasped. He really had said "Ramallah"! His thoughts were racing. 
Did he just spend Shabbos with an Arab? He told the boy, "I'm sorry, 
I'm a bit confused. And now that I think of it, I haven't even asked 
your full name. What is it, please?"


The boy looked nervous for a moment, then squared his shoulders and 
said quietly, "Machmud Ibn-esh-Sharif."
Dan stood there speechless. What could he say? Machmud broke the 
silence hesitantly: "I was born and grew up in Ramallah. I was taught 
to hate my Jewish oppressors, and to think that killing them was 
heroism.


But I always had my doubts. I mean, we were taught that the Sunna, the 
tradition, says, 'No one of you is a believer until he desires for his 
brother that which he desires for himself.' I used to sit and wonder, 
Weren't the Yahud (Jews) people, too? Didn't they have the right to 
live the same as us? If we're supposed to be good to everyone, how come 
nobody includes Jews in that? "I put these questions to my father, and 
he threw me out of the house. By now my mind was made up: I was going 
to run away and live with the Yahud, until I could find out what they 
were really like. I snuck back into the house that night, to get my 
things and my backpack.


My mother caught me in the middle of packing. I told her that I wanted 
to go live with the Jews for a while and find out what they're really 
like and maybe I would even want to convert.
She was turning more and more pale while I said all this, and I thought 
she was angry, but that wasn't it. Something else was hurting her and 
she whispered gently, 'You don't have to convert. You already are a 
Jew.' "I was shocked. My head started spinning, and for a moment I 
couldn't speak. Then I stammered, 'What do you mean?' 'In Judaism,' she 
told me, 'the religion goes according to the mother.


I'm Jewish, so that means you're Jewish.' "I never had any idea my 
mother was Jewish. I guess she didn't want anyone to know. She 
whispered suddenly, 'I made a mistake by marrying an Arab man. In you, 
my mistake will be redeemed.' "My mother always talked that way, 
poetic-like. She went and dug out some old documents, and handed them 
to me: things like my birth certificate and her old Israeli ID card, so 
I could prove I was a Jew.


I've got them here, but I don't know what to do with them.
"My mother hesitated about one piece of paper. Then she said, 'You may 
as well take this. It is an old photograph of my grand-parents which 
was taken when they went visiting the grave of some great ancestor of 
ours.' "Now I have traveled here to Israel. I'm just trying to find out 
where I belong."


Dan gently put his hand on Machmud's shoulder. Machmud looked up, 
scared and hopeful at the same time. Dan asked, "Do you have the photo 
here?"


The boy's face lit up. ""Sure! I always carry it with me." He reached 
in his backpack and pulled out an old, tattered envelope.


When Dan read the gravestone inscription, he nearly dropped the photo. 
He rubbed his eyes to make sure. There was no doubt. This was a grave 
in the old cemetery in Tzfat, and the inscription identified it as the 
grave of the great Kabbalist and tzaddik Rabbi Shlomo Alkabetz.


Dan's voice quivered with excitement as he explained to Machmud who his 
ancestor was. "He was a friend of the Arizal, a great Torah scholar, a 
tzaddik, a mystic. And, Machmud, your ancestor wrote that song we were 
singing all Shabbos: Lecha Dodi!"


This time it was Machmud's turn to be struck speechless. Dan extended 
his trembling hand and said, "Welcome home, Machmud."


This true story, submitted by Nechama Goodman, is documented in 
"Monsey, Kiryat Sefer and Beyond" by Zev Roth.




 


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"It is very good to rely on G-d completely. As each day begins, I place my
every movement in G-d's hands, asking that I do only His will. This is very
good and I have no worries. Whether or not things go right, I am completely
dependant upon G-d. If He desires otherwise, I have already asked that I do
only His will."  

                                                          Rabbi Nachman's
Wisdom 2

  

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From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:43:47 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Keep on keeping on, Ross!
Message-ID: <BLU125-W2352844D21A893B1657DA9BA050@phx.gbl>


Thank you so much for what you are doing, Ross.  The teaching tonight was wonderful  as always, and I am so very appreciative of the sacrifices you make to teach us.  
 
It was such a thrill when you said that you are hearing from Australia and Eastern Europe!  May HaShem cause your voice to be heard to the ends of the Earth (and the Ozzies are pretty much at the end of the Earth!!!!).
 
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From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:33:54 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: A Beautiful Jewish Story
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Thank you so much for this, Betty.  I love this story.  It strengthens our faith and trust in HaShem.
 
Shavua Tov,
 
Pat


From: bkgivin at charter.netTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgDate: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:15:07 -0500Subject: [Dialogue] FW: A Beautiful Jewish Story








Friends, I just received this from an Israeli friend of mine.  I hope you will read it thru and be blessed as much as I was! 
 Betty





 
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Eilat Gutman
Information Specialist
SOVA Community Food & Resource Program
Jewish Family Service of Los Angeles
(818) 988-7682 x 108


This is rather long but it is a beautiful Jewish/feel good story.On his way out from shul in Jerusalem, Dan approached a young man in Dungarees, backpack, dark skin, curly black hair -- looked Sephardi, maybe Moroccan."Good Shabbos. My name is Dan Eisenblatt. Would you like to eat at my house tonight?"The young man's face broke in an instant from a worried look to a smile."Yeah, thanks. My name is Machi."Together they walked out of the shul. A few minutes later they were all standing around Dan's Shabbos table. Dan noticed his guest fidgeting and leafing through his songbook, apparently looking for something. He asked with a smile, "Is there a song you want to sing? I can help if you're not sure about the tune."The guest's face lit up. "There is a song I'd like to sing, but I can't find it here. I really liked what we sang in the synagogue tonight. What was it called? Something 'dodi.'"Dan paused for a moment, on the verge of saying, "It's not usually sung at the table," but then he caught himself. "If that's what the kid wants," he thought, "what's the harm?" Aloud he said, "You mean Lecha Dodi. Wait, let me get you a siddur."Once they had sung Lecha Dodi, the young man resumed his silence until after the soup, when Dan asked him, "Which song now?" The guest looked embarrassed, but after a bit of encourage-ment said firmly, "I'd really like to sing Lecha Dodi again."Dan was not really all that surprised when, after the chicken, he asked his guest what song now, and the young man said, "Lecha Dodi, please." Dan almost blurted out, "Let's sing it a little softer this time, the neighbors are going to think I'm nuts." He finally said, "Don't you want to sing something else?"His guest blushed and looked down. "I just really like that one," he mumbled. "Just something about it - I really like it."In all, they must have sung "The Song" eight or nine times. Dan wasn't sure -- he lost count. Later Dan asked, "Where are you from?" The boy looked pained, then stared down at the floor and said softly, "Ramallah."Dan's was sure he'd heard the boy say "Ramallah," a large Arab city on the West Bank. Quickly he caught himself, and then realized that he must have said Ramleh, an Israeli city. Dan said, "Oh, I have a cousin there. Do you know Ephraim Warner? He lives on Herzl Street."The young man shook his head sadly. "There are no Jews in Ramallah."Dan gasped. He really had said "Ramallah"! His thoughts were racing. Did he just spend Shabbos with an Arab? He told the boy, "I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused. And now that I think of it, I haven't even asked your full name. What is it, please?"The boy looked nervous for a moment, then squared his shoulders and said quietly, "Machmud Ibn-esh-Sharif."Dan stood there speechless. What could he say? Machmud broke the silence hesitantly: "I was born and grew up in Ramallah. I was taught to hate my Jewish oppressors, and to think that killing them was heroism.But I always had my doubts. I mean, we were taught that the Sunna, the tradition, says, 'No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.' I used to sit and wonder, Weren't the Yahud (Jews) people, too? Didn't they have the right to live the same as us? If we're supposed to be good to everyone, how come nobody includes Jews in that? "I put these questions to my father, and he threw me out of the house. By now my mind was made up: I was going to run away and live with the Yahud, until I could find out what they were really like. I snuck back into the house that night, to get my things and my backpack.My mother caught me in the middle of packing. I told her that I wanted to go live with the Jews for a while and find out what they're really like and maybe I would even want to convert.She was turning more and more pale while I said all this, and I thought she was angry, but that wasn't it. Something else was hurting her and she whispered gently, 'You don't have to convert. You already are a Jew.' "I was shocked. My head started spinning, and for a moment I couldn't speak. Then I stammered, 'What do you mean?' 'In Judaism,' she told me, 'the religion goes according to the mother.I'm Jewish, so that means you're Jewish.' "I never had any idea my mother was Jewish. I guess she didn't want anyone to know. She whispered suddenly, 'I made a mistake by marrying an Arab man. In you, my mistake will be redeemed.' "My mother always talked that way, poetic-like. She went and dug out some old documents, and handed them to me: things like my birth certificate and her old Israeli ID card, so I could prove I was a Jew.I've got them here, but I don't know what to do with them."My mother hesitated about one piece of paper. Then she said, 'You may as well take this. It is an old photograph of my grand-parents which was taken when they went visiting the grave of some great ancestor of ours.' "Now I have traveled here to Israel. I'm just trying to find out where I belong."Dan gently put his hand on Machmud's shoulder. Machmud looked up, scared and hopeful at the same time. Dan asked, "Do you have the photo here?"The boy's face lit up. ""Sure! I always carry it with me." He reached in his backpack and pulled out an old, tattered envelope.When Dan read the gravestone inscription, he nearly dropped the photo. He rubbed his eyes to make sure. There was no doubt. This was a grave in the old cemetery in Tzfat, and the inscription identified it as the grave of the great Kabbalist and tzaddik Rabbi Shlomo Alkabetz.Dan's voice quivered with excitement as he explained to Machmud who his ancestor was. "He was a friend of the Arizal, a great Torah scholar, a tzaddik, a mystic. And, Machmud, your ancestor wrote that song we were singing all Shabbos: Lecha Dodi!"This time it was Machmud's turn to be struck speechless. Dan extended his trembling hand and said, "Welcome home, Machmud."This true story, submitted by Nechama Goodman, is documented in "Monsey, Kiryat Sefer and Beyond" by Zev Roth.
 



 




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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 16 21:42:08 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:42:08 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] two links for discussion
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Steve, thank you!  I've looked at years of awe, and it is amazing!  I hope to get to the machon shilo site soon, but I am already hooked on years of awe!!!
 
Thank you also for telling us about the high alert in Israel.  I am praying that the enemie's plan will come to naught.
 
Pat


Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:44:48 -0700To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgFrom: eliasaph at uniteourheart.comSubject: [Dialogue] two links for discussionFriends, Here are a couple of links to stir your blood and plenty of items for discussion.http://yearsofawe.blogspot.comhttp://www.machonshilo.org Steve
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sun Mar 16 21:49:52 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:49:52 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Keep on keeping on, Ross!
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Yes, to all that Pat has said, Ross!  You do indeed have a gift for
teaching!  Love to you and yours,  Betty/Elisheva

 

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Thank you so much for what you are doing, Ross.  The teaching tonight was
wonderful  as always, and I am so very appreciative of the sacrifices you
make to teach us.  
 
It was such a thrill when you said that you are hearing from Australia and
Eastern Europe!  May HaShem cause your voice to be heard to the ends of the
Earth (and the Ozzies are pretty much at the end of the Earth!!!!).
 
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From tmich33 at bellsouth.net  Sun Mar 16 23:25:18 2008
From: tmich33 at bellsouth.net (Tamara Michael)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 04:25:18 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Here is the Article about the blessing of a virgin
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Here is the link to the webpage and I've highlighted and underlined where it has the blessing. I also ordered the book mentioned.
Tammy

 http://www.journalofbiblicalstudies.org/Issue1/Articles/linkage_between_isaiah_7.htm

The Linkage Between Isaiah 7:14 and 9:6

Copyrighted 2000 by Harold R. Holmyard

Introduction
Three Problems and One Solution
Conceptual Unity of 7:1-9:7
Excursus on the woman in Isa 7:14 as a virgin
Endnotes







Introduction
Despite many excellent studies of Isaiah 7:14 in recent years, the connection between its meaning for Ahaz and its meaning in the announcement of Christ's birth (Matt 1:23) remains loose for many, who either do not see how Isa 7:14 functioned in its context, or who regard Matt 1:23 as selecting Isa 7:14 for the appropriateness of its words rather than as genuine prophecy.

The purpose of this paper is to show that the firmness of this connection resides in Isaiah's prophecies, particularly in the association between the son named "God is with us" in 7:14 and the son called "Mighty God" in 9:6. The way that Isaiah associates these two prophecies is by a figurative elongation of the time of Assyrian oppression so that it extends until Messiah's victory. Yet Isaiah 7:1-9:7 is not just about oppression, because the prophet indicates an end to it three times as he considers Israel's circumstances, each time by the image of the son.

A matter-of-fact outline of the topics in Isaiah 7:1-9:7 will facilitate discussion of the links between them that provide unity between 7:14 and 9:6.

A. Isaiah's confrontation of Ahaz (7:1-25).
     1. The threat of Judah's assault by Ephraim and Syria (7:1-6).
     2. God's promise of its failure and the shattering of Ephraim (7:7-11).
     3. A sign to the house of David pertinent to the prophecy of Judah's
          short-term deliverance from Ephraim and Syria (7:14-16).
     4. Prophecy of Assyria's long-term oppression of Judah (7:17-25).
B. A second cycle of prophecies concerning Israel and Assyria (8:1-10).
     1. Prophesied judgment of the northern kingdom through Assyria (8:1-7a).
     2. Prophesied judgment of the southern kingdom through Assyria (8:7b-8).
     3. Prophesied shattering of the nations who attack God's nation (8:9-10).
C. God's protected remnant versus the judged majority (8:11-22).
     1. Different attitudes about whom to fear and whom to help (8:11-15).
     2. Different attitudes about the law and about God (8:16-22).
D. An end to the dark judgment of the nation (9:1-6).
     1. An end to dark judgment for areas even of the northern kingdom (9:1-2).
     2. The blessing of the nation in the overthrow of the oppressors (9:3-5).
     3. The everlasting rule of the Davidic king (9:6-7).

Three Problems and One Solution

Isaiah 7:1-9:7 presents three main problems with which the nation is dealing: political division within the nation, the threat of foreign nations, and poor spiritual standing. The one solution is Israel's embrace of the presence of God.

The first problem relates to the Syro-Ephraimite threat in section A of the outline. God tells Ahaz that the threat will vanish in sixty-five years. As a sign, perhaps in part because the king will not live another sixty-five years, God describes a devastating defeat that will occur to his enemies before a child can be born and discern good and evil. The child's name seems to embody the divine perspective as to why Judah will not suffer defeat by Ephraim and Syria: God is with Judah. Yet the political machinations of Ahaz will complicate the issue by introducing a greater threat; therefore much of God's sign concerns the agent of Ephraim and Syria's defeat.

Section B of the outline continues to depict the gravity of the Assyrian threat; it suggests that Assyria represents all the foreign nations that will oppress Israel. Again, the solution to the problem is that God is with His nation to defeat their enemies. The child introduced in 7:14 reappears as God announces the solution in 8:8-10.

God's solution becomes the basis for exhortations to Isaiah as to how he should handle the third problem, the ungodly character of the nation and the judgment that must inevitably follow (section C of the outline). Section D reverses the judgment by a removal of the ungodliness and consequent oppression. Once more deliverance is through God's presence with the nation. God mediates His presence through a child who is born to reign on David's throne.

Two constant elements in the three problems are foreign domination, mainly by Assyria, together with God's presence to rescue. A third constant element is prophecy concerning a son to be born who has "God" as part of his name. These prophecies appear at three points of victory, or safety, for Israel. Insertion of this prophetic element in Isa 8:1-10 is unexpected and evidently of cryptic significance. A more detailed review of 7:1-9:7 will look at the significance and the direct linkage it provides between 7:14 and 9:6.

Conceptual Unity of 7:1-9:7

The sign of the son in Isa 7:14 would have indicated to Ahaz, who feared overthrow by the kings of Ephraim and Syria (Isa 7:4-6), that in a short time his foes would meet destruction. His own people would survive. Through Isaiah God promised that his fear was empty, for within sixty-five years Ephraim would be too shattered to be a people (7:8). God told Ahaz that failure to believe in Him would bring his downfall, and the Lord requested that Ahaz propose a sign to confirm His word. When Ahaz demurred, God gave the sign of a virgin's son in 7:14 Before a virgin could bear a child and see it old enough to distinguish good from evil, the land of the two kings Ahaz feared would suffer ravaging.

The boy, named "God is with us," (1) thereafter would eat curds and honey, an apparent indication of Judah's prosperity once its enemies had failed. The boy's name encapsulates the well- grounded faith of his mother that God was with her people, for had not God told Ahaz that the planned overthrow of Judah would not occur (7:7)?  Moreover, the name communicates the familiar covenantal concept that God was with His people Israel.(2)

Nonetheless, God gave this sign to Ahaz with indignation. After warning Ahaz of the need to believe in God's word or fall, the king promptly refused to believe God when he was invited to request a confirming sign (7:9, 12). Ahaz claimed that he did not want to put the Lord to the test, as though God were trying to trick him. He did not believe that God would deliver him, for he depended on the help of Tiglath-Pileser, king of Assyria, to defeat his foes (2 Kgs 16:7; 2 Chr 28:16). His unbelief is evident in that divine warning about the hired razor of Assyria (Isa 7:20) did not deter him.

The confirming sign of the son actually foretold the victory over the two kings by Tiglath-Pileser at Ahaz's request. When God initially comforted Ahaz with the promise that Pekah and Rezin would not triumph, He implicitly contrasted His own sovereignty with the weakness of the two kings, whom He described as stubs of smoldering firebrands (7:4). Had Ahaz believed in God, God would have found a way to deliver Ahaz so as to keep His word. But Ahaz's refusal to seek a sign foreshadowed his transfer of trust to Tiglath-Pileser. So God gave the sign of short-term deliverance for Judah with indignation, since He had to confirm His initial word of deliverance in 7:7 by predicting the immediate outcome of Ahaz's apostasy.

Since God had predicted Ahaz's downfall for such unbelief (7:9), it was inevitable that there should be more to His sign than success. Especially was this evident in that He accompanied it with a reproach to the house of David for trying the patience of men and now God (7:13). Ahaz's initial success would unleash the king of Assyria on Judah (7:17). This "razor" hired with Judah's tribute money (2 Chr 28:21; 2 Kgs 16:8) would serve to humiliate Judah, going far beyond the intended purpose of Ahaz. Assyria would so strip Judah of its wealth that this agricultural people would return to nomadic pasturing (7:21-25). The delectable child's treat of curds and honey would unfortunately be the only staples available to the entire population in its poverty.

In the larger context of divine indignation and Assyrian ravaging, the name "God is with us" takes on the ominous tone of divine judgment. The Lord says that it is He who will bring the king of Assyria upon Judah (7:17). He will whistle for the foreign invaders to come (7:18). The burden of Isaiah's message to Ahaz is that God will judge Ahaz, his house, and his nation for Ahaz's unbelief. Although some ordinary people in Judah, symbolized by the nameless young mother of 7:14, might retain faith in God, they, too, would suffer. For the king's rejection of God would affect everybody.

Other nations conducted their foreign policy by political intrigue, but Israel was in covenant relation with the Lord of heaven and earth. Because God was with Israel, the king's reliance on Tiglath-Pileser instead of God was a form of idolatry, and later Ezekiel would describe Judah's attraction to Assyria as spiritual adultery (Ezek 16:28; 23:12). Intrigue with Assyria would lead to vassalage, and on to deeper intrigue with Egypt against Assyria. Isaiah later explicitly condemned such reliance upon the arm of flesh rather than God (Isa 31:1-3).

Some have associated the child of 7:14 with that of Isaiah's wife in 8:3, Maher-shalal-hash-baz, or "Swift-booty-speedy-prey." They propose that Isaiah's first wife died after the birth of Shear-jashub. In both 7:14 and 8:3 there is conception, birth of a son who receives a name associated with God, and failure of the child to reach a certain age before the kings of Ephraim and Syria meet defeat. The text, however, is silent about any death of a wife of Isaiah, and the phrase "drew near" in 8:3 could well indicate sexual approach to one already a wife. The fact that Isaiah already had one son suggests a deliberate distinction between the prophetess in 8:3 and the virgin in 7:14. While God names the child in 8:3, Masoretic pointing of 7:14 suggests that the mother names the child there. Through the curds and honey, the child of 7:14 seems related to a Judah reduced to a limited diet; the child of 8:3, on the other hand, has particular association with divine judgment upon Ephraim. A
lthough the name of the child in 7:14 returns in Isa 8:8, it does so in connection with the fate of Judah. The safe course is to regard the two children as different, each having closer linkage with one of the two houses of Israel.

Commentators normally associate "this people" in 8:6 with Judah, viewing the rejoicing over Rezin and the son of Remaliah as glee over Assyria's defeat of these northern enemies. But such a reading seems anachronistic, since the rejoicing is in the present (8:6), while the judgment on the two enemies is the future event predicted in 8:3-4.(3) And elsewhere in the Bible the word "rejoicing"  (8:6) refers to positive joy, not malicious glee. The equation of "this people" in 8:6 with Judah might seem natural because the Lord warns Isaiah, who lived in Jerusalem, not to follow the way of "this people" (8:11). Yet 8:14 clarifies that in 8:11 the Lord is actually referring to both houses of Israel. Consequently, "this people" in 8:6 may refer particularly to the northern house of Israel about which Isaiah has spoken in 8:3-4, since "Samaria" (8:3) would be a natural antecedent.

Then 8:6 would explain why the judgment on Samaria announced in 8:4 was coming. The northern kingdom had rejected the Davidic kingship based in Jerusalem and symbolized in 8:6 by the water of Shiloah (Siloam). This water seems to correspond to an aqueduct near Gihon in Jerusalem where Solomon's coronation occurred (1 Kgs 1:33-34; cf. Neh 3:15). Instead, Samaria rejoiced in Rezin the king of Damascus, and in Pekah, Samaria's usurper king (cf. 2 Kgs 15:25), who had set himself against Judah, the dwelling place of his own brothers and of God's earthly temple.

Judgment was coming upon Ephraim from the mighty river of the Euphrates, symbolizing the king of Assyria. Sadly, the Assyrian assault on Syro-Palestine would not limit itself to the northern areas. In 7:16 God did not specify who would lay waste Ephraim and Syria. But since His next words predicted Assyria's assault of Judah, Ahaz could have easily inferred that Assyria would attack his northern foes as well as himself. The prophecy in 8:3-6 made this fact explicit; Ephraim's doom would be at Assyria's hand. But just as Ahaz directed Assyrian might against Ephraim and then lost control of Assyrian action, so 8:7-8 pictures the waters of the Euphrates overflowing their channels and banks to flood past Ephraim into Judah.

Recurrence of the name "God is with us" in 8:8 pertains to the prophecy of judgment in 7:17-25, since 8:8 restates the earlier prophecy in terms of Assyria flooding Judah nearly to the drowning point. God was with Judah in order to judge it as He would judge Ephraim. But after notifying "God is with us" that Judah would be under water up to the neck, God invites the nations to attack in order to be defeated (8:9-10). Assyria would not ultimately succeed. The nations' defeat spoken of in 8:10 occurs because "God is with us." These words are not a name like the vocative in 8:8, but the proximity of 8:8 and 8:10 associates the child named "God is with us" with the reality of God's presence in order to deliver. So this name associated with judgment in 7:17-25 and 8:8 regains a positive and traditional connotation in 8:10.

Israelite tradition taught that God's presence with Israel brought it victory over its enemies (e.g., Num 14:9). The preparations and plans for war in 8:9-10 resemble those in 7:5-7. Just as in 7:7 God said that the Syro-Ephraimite plan would not "stand," so He asserts that the nations' plan will not "stand" (8:10). As Ephraim would be "shattered" (7:8), so the nations would be "shattered" (8:9). The nameless young woman of 7:14 expressed traditional faith by naming her son "God is with us." Ahaz perverted Israel's future, and thus the connotation of the child's name, by an unbelief that turned God's presence into a vehicle of judgment. But God would not ultimately betray the faith of Israel, recalled in 8:8 by the child's name.(4) The God who initially promised deliverance from Syria and Ephraim would also deliver Israel from Assyria.

Isaiah parallels the term "nations" in 8:10 with the phrase "all the distant lands." While 8:10 evidently refers to Assyria and its allies, it does not explicitly name them. This conclusion of the prophecy may generalize God's intent to deliver Judah from Assyria to an intent to deliver Israel from all foreign foes because of His covenant relationship with it (cf. 14:24-27).

The following prophecy in 8:11-22 admonishes Isaiah in view of the preceding confrontation with Ahaz. Ahaz in his unbelief embodied the worldly spirit of both houses of Israel. Ahaz's fear of Syria and Ephraim drove him to conspire with Assyria against Syria and Ephraim. But Isaiah, who had just heard so powerfully God's intent to protect His nation, was not to call "conspiracy," or a binding together against an enemy, what his fellow Israelites did (8:12). Neither Pekah's league with Rezin nor Ahaz's league with Tiglath-Pileser was of lasting value. Isaiah was to fear neither Syria and Ephraim, whom Ahaz and all Judah feared (7:2), nor the Assyrians whom Ephraim and then Judah would fear. Rather he was to fear God, who would then be a sanctuary to him from all such foes (cf. Ezek 11:16), but who was the ultimate cause of the woes of both Ephraim and Judah. The people's failure to adhere to their covenantal responsibilities, chiefly that of faith in God, would bring the curses of t
he Mosaic covenant upon them. Their relationship to God, outwardly honored in Judah (1:11-15) and to some extent in Ephraim (e.g., 2 Chr 28:9-13), would be their snare (Isa 8:14).

Isaiah and his sons symbolized the faith of the nation (8:18). Neither Ephraim nor Judah believed the prophet's name, which means "the Lord saves."(5) The name of the younger son pointed to the destruction of the northern kingdom. The name of the older son, significant for the southern kingdom because God commanded Isaiah to bring this son when he met Ahaz (7:3), means "a remnant shall return" (cf. 10:21). Isaiah, his sons, and his disciples, representing the faithful in Israel as had the virgin mother, would preserve the Law and await the Lord, who was hiding His face from the sinful nation (8:16-17). In contrast, many would consult mediums and spiritists, but this further departure from the Law (8:19-20; Deut 18:10-11) would only compound their problems. Isaiah had described the return of the land to an uncultivated state after the Assyrian invasion (7:21-25). Now he shows the consequences of gnawing hunger (8:21). Rather than repenting, the ungodly react to discipline by cursing
 God, but the result can only be the darkness of doom (8:22).

By a literary splice Isaiah moves from the "gloom" of Assyrian times to an absolute end of "gloom" for parts of Israel that God had belittled by giving them over to the Assyrians (8:22; 9:1). Isaiah puts the Assyrian times in the past by calling them "the former time" in contrast to a "latter time" when God will transform Israel's conditions. Isaiah's promise of God's honoring Galilee serves a double task. It alludes to land taken by Tiglath-Pileser in his partial annexation of the northern kingdom in about 732 B.C. (7:16; 2 Kgs 15:29), and it prophesies the appearance of Christ. Whereas there has been no dawn (8:21), a light will dawn (9:1). Those who walked in darkness (8:22) will do so no longer (9:2) as they put away their "distress" (8:22: ; 9:1: ).

Isaiah speaks of an enlarged nation experiencing the joy of harvest or plunder (9:3). For God has broken the yoke of their burden, the rod of their foreign oppressors. Liberation will occur through battle "as in the day of Midian's defeat" (9:4; cf. Judges 7-8), after which peace feeds household fires with the weaponry (9:5). Isaiah later uses much the same words of Assyria's defeat (10:26-27). So the wording could suggest that Assyrian oppression lasts from the former to the latter time. However, there is no specific mention of Assyria after 8:7-8; God also uses wording like 9:4 about the end of Babylon's oppression of Israel (14:5). Immediately thereafter He repeats the language of 9:4 with reference to Assyria (14:25), concluding that this is His plan for the whole world (14:26-27). Thus both the Assyrian and Babylonian domination can symbolize the world's dealings with Israel.

The reason for Israel's victory in 9:4 is that "to us a child is born, to us a son is given" (9:6 NIV), whom 9:7 identifies as a Davidic king. "Us" will evidently consist of people like Isaiah who are waiting for God (8:17). Men will call the son "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (9:6 NIV). His peaceful, righteous government from David's throne over his kingdom will increase forever (9:7). The kingdom of this extraordinary Davidic king seems identical with that of the Davidic king in Isaiah 11. The king in Isaiah 11 is central to the establishment of God's rule over the world, and all nations look to him because of his righteous power (11:10; 4-5). The reign in Isaiah 11 also seems to follow the Assyrian oppression (10:24-11:1, 11). Isaiah learned that Babylonian domination of Israel would follow Assyrian oppression (cf. 39:5-8), but he spoke in chapter 9 as though this great Davidic king would put an end to the darkness following Assyrian confl
ict. Isaiah's wording shows that at points of transition he chose general terms that do not tie the reader to the Assyrian period. An inference arises: oppression like that of the Assyrians will dog the nation of Israel until the Davidic king establishes the everlasting kingdom.

The transition between 8:8 and 8:9 is much like the transition between 8:22 and 9:1. Both preceding contexts depict the desolation that Assyria brings to Israel. Neither 9:1 nor 8:9 mentions Assyria. There is a finality to both deliverances in that the first is "from all the distant lands" (8:9), while the second introduces a Davidic kingdom that never ends. Warfare is a factor in both texts. A child, part of whose name is "God," figures in both passages. In 8:8 and 8:10 the child seems closely related to the cause of victory; in 9:6 the child is the cause of victory.

The contention of this paper is that the son born in 7:14 and mentioned in 8:8 is the same as the son in 9:6. Both 7:14 and 9:6 contain the terms "give," "son," "give birth," and "call his name." The child in both cases has a theophoric name including the element  (God). The additional element of "with us"  in the first name corresponds to the repeated phrase "to us"  in 9:6. The address to the child in 8:8 stimulates curiosity about his identity; does he play a role in Israel's history? This second appearance in 8:8 and 8:10 associates him, if only literarily, with God's victory over the nations that oppress Israel. Because 9:6 actually presents the birth of a son who accomplishes this victory, the reader wonders whether the son of Isa 7:14 and 8:8, 10 pertains directly to the son of 9:6. Since he is the seed of David in 9:6, is he also the seed of David in 7:14, where Isaiah addresses the Davidic king? But if Isaiah spoke of the Messianic king in 7:14, what relevance could the wo
rds have had to Ahaz' situation, and how could Ahaz have understood them?

Ahaz did not need to understand all the details, for he was a rejecter of God receiving the sign in 7:14 precisely because of his unbelief (cf. 2 Kgs 16:3-4; 2 Chr 28:19, 22-25). God was frustrated with the house of David. Every Davidic king made some significant error in judgment, although many did good in God's eyes. But the badness of Ahaz prefigured the final sinful kings of this line. Jeremiah 22 expresses similar dissatisfaction with the later house of David. If they did not keep the Law, God would make their palace a ruin (Jer 22:5). Jehoahaz, who did evil, would be in permanent exile (Jer 22:10-12; 2 Kgs 23:32). Jehoiakim merited the burial of a donkey (Jer 22:13-19; 2 Kgs 23:37). God would hand Jehoiachin over to Nebuchadnezzar (Jer 22:25; 2 Kgs 24:9). He would also regard him as if childless, for none of his offspring would prosper, sitting on the throne of Judah or ruling there any longer (Jer 22:30).

Ahaz, by refusing to cooperate with or believe God after receiving a direct revelation of God's intervening love in his time of need, represented the house of David's tendency to turn aside from God. Thus God would give a sign, as Isa 7:13-14 indicates, not just to Ahaz but to the entire house. The virgin would conceive and bear a child.(6) Ahaz would probably have understood Isaiah to mean that a virgin would marry and then have a child.(7) God did not mean only that, but for His immediate purposes the point was immaterial. Ahaz would also think of the child being born in his own time. God did not mean that but knew that Ahaz would draw the right conclusion about the timing of defeat for Ephraim and Syria. If such verbal complexity seems to border on deception, Scripture states that with the devious, God will show Himself shrewd (2 Sam 22:27; Ps 18:26), and Ahaz was certainly devious. Moreover, the birth of an actual child at that time, under the God's superintendence (8:1-3), emb
odied the truth of God's pronouncements to Ahaz.(8)

The child would eat curds and honey, the reduced food supply of foreign oppression, when he could distinguish right from wrong, but the ravaging of Ephraim and Syria would precede that time. The humble circumstances of the Christ child under Roman rule can suit the prophecy. Foreign oppression more or less extended from the time of Assyria to the birth of the Son named God, and Ephraim's fall certainly preceded Jesus' discernment of good and evil as a child. His mother was a young woman of Israel who believed in God, a virgin at His birth. She knew that her son, conceived of the Spirit, born in David's city of Davidic seed, was the Lord of prophecy (Luke 2:11). But the child, since he did not have a Davidic descendant for his birth father, did not descend directly from Ahaz through the kingly line. God was unable to fulfill His plans through the direct regal line, which mirrored the sinfulness of humanity.

Ahaz had refused to believe in God's ability to save Israel, but his unbelief was exactly what put divine deliverance out of reach, causing Israel's fall. God's arm was not too short to save, but Israel's iniquities had separated it from God (Isa 59:1-2). That would always be the case, to some degree, as long as the head of David's family was a representative of fallen mankind. So God would give the house of David a sign that He would deliver Israel from her foes. A virgin would conceive and bear a divine Son. Ultimately only this Son could save Israel, for only He would be free of sin and for this reason able to bear God's government on His shoulders.

Excursus on the woman in Isa 7:14 as a virgin

With  in Isa 7:14 the question concerns the sense of a lexeme in ancient Israel. The issue of the signification of this word is a narrow one. The Septuagint was the popular Bible used by Jews at the time of Christ. Not only did the early Church use it, but so did Jews in general. And the Christians used the Septuagint to support Christological theology. S. K. Soderlund writes:

When the Christian Church adopted the LXX as its Bible and began to cite proof texts from it in controversies with the Jews (e.g.,  in Isa 7:14), the latter were considerably embarrassed and retorted that the LXX was an inaccurate translation (s.v. "Septuagint," The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia).

Soderland goes on to say that having called the LXX translation bad, the Jews needed another Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible. The first solution was the translation of Aquila, followed by those of Theodotian and Symmachus. The LXX has  for the Hebrew  in Isa 7:14, and the sense of  seems generally to be "virgin," even if there are cases when it is not. So some ancient Jews apparently understood  that way.

A virgin generally was a young woman in ancient Israel, as women were expected to marry; so there is nothing necessarily wrong with "young woman" as a translation in Isa 7:14. Etymologically the word  might not need to apply to a virgin. BDB favors the sense "young woman," of someone "ripe sexually; maid or newly married" (BDB, s.v. ).

The NET Bible has the following note on  at Isa 7:14:

Traditionally, "virgin." Though the word   can refer to a woman who is a virgin (Gen 24:43), it does not carry this meaning inherently. The word is simply the feminine form of the corresponding masculine noun  "young man" (1 Sam.17:56; 20:22). The Aramaic and Ugaritic cognate terms are both used of women who are not virgins. The word seems to pertain to age, not sexual experience, and is best translated "young woman" (The NET Bible www.bible.org/netbible/index.htm).

This is certainly a good argument, but John N. Oswalt observes that the Ugaritic cognate is used "with reference to a goddess who was assumed to be a perpetual virgin" (The Book of Isaiah: Chapters 1-39 [NICNT; Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1986] 210-11). Herbert M. Wolf states:

The solution to the problem may lie in the use of "virgin"  in Ugaritic literature. . . . there is a passage that says "a virgin will give birth" (tld btlt ["a virgin will give birth"] is parallel to hl glmt tld bn ["behold, a glmt will give birth to a son"; glmt is cognate to ]). In its context the phrase means that a particular virgin would soon be engaged and that after her marriage she would become the mother of a son. This kind of announcement was a blessing on the upcoming marriage (Interpreting Isaiah [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1985] 91).

 Delitzsch did not have the Ugaritic material but knew the Aramaic and Syriac forms corresponding to . He still felt that the woman in Isa 7:14 was a virgin. He allowed that the word might refer to a woman recently married (Franz Delitzsch, Isaiah [Commentary on the Old Testament, by C. F. Keil and F. Delitzsch; Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, repr. 1986] 1:217-20). The Aramaic and Ugaritic young women did not live under the Law, with its expectation of virginity before marriage; so the word could have taken on a connotation in Israel that it did not have in Ugarit. Oswalt notes that the LXX rendering is "inexplicable" unless  had overtones of virginity about it (Oswalt, Isaiah 1-39 210).

There are seven uses of  in the OT. The LXX uses  to translate  at Gen 24:43 and Isaiah 7:14. At Exod 2:8, Ps 68:25 (26); Cant 1:3; and 6:8 it uses , which means girl or maiden, of a young, unmarried girl (LSJ, s.v. ). The LXX is different at Prov 30:19. Instead of "man with a maid ," it has "man in  youth ." So the LXX translation of  in every instance suggests a virgin. This seems significant.

Next a look at the six other Hebrew texts with  argues for the sense virgin. The text seems clear in Gen 24:43. The servant would want a virgin to marry Isaac, and Rebekah was a virgin. In Exod 2:8 Miriam was evidently still living at home and was probably young. In Ps 68:26 these tambourine playing women are probably virgin maidens as in Jer 31:13.

As for  in Cant 1:3 and 6:8, the references to  give evidence of supporting the signification "virgin" for the word. The numbers in 6:8 seem meaningful. These were apparently Solomon's queens and concubines at a point in time earlier than the number of his wives and concubines given in 1 Kings 11:3. The women who are  in 6:8 are evidently the same sort as those in 1:3. If these women are not queens or concubines (6:8), they are probably unmarried women, since it would not be right for other men's wives to be loving Solomon in 1:3, as these women do. Nor would it be right for the king to be desiring other men's wives (6:8). And women were expected to go into marriage as virgins according to the Law.

The women seem to perform the role of a chorus in Song of Solomon. The pronouncement in 1:4b, on the heels of 1:3c and before 1:4c (in the NIV), favors this role in what the author calls a song. These women are apparently the "daughters of Jerusalem" whom the woman addresses elsewhere in the song. The term "daughter of Zion" seems to describe a virgin (Isa 23:12; Jer 14:17; 18:13; 31:13, 21; 46:11; Lam 2:13; cf. Isa 47:1 ["virgin daughter of Babylon"]). The idea may be that they are still daughters and not wives. When the beloved tells the daughters of Jerusalem not to awaken love before it pleases, she counsels them to await God's time for love. One thing that made Solomon's love so satisfying was that his beloved was a wall, or virgin, till the time of marriage (8:8-10).

If the virgins in Canticles form a sort of chorus, then it is helpful to remember that it was the virgins in Israel who were known for their music (Jer 31:13; Ps 68:26). The women in the chorus also resemble the virgins in Ps 45:14, who serve as companions to the princess. See Cant 8:13: "you who dwell in the gardens with friends in attendance." The friends are likely to be the daughters of Jerusalem, the virgins.

The argument from the LXX translation of  is significant; so is the contextual probability of the other six instances of  referring to virgins. At least we do not see a case, except possibly Isa 7:14, where  had to apply to anyone else." In Isa 7:14 the LXX supports the meaning "virgin." These facts need not rule out the translation "young woman" at Isa 7:14, but they provide a good rationale for translating with "virgin" there, too.

The LXX as a whole is not at all an impeccable translation, varying in quality. However, two of the places where the LXX renders  with a word indicating virginity are in the Pentateuch, Gen 24:43 and Exod 2:8. S. K. Soderlund's article "Septuagint" in ISBE says about the Pentateuch LXX:

"On the whole the, the Pentateuch represents the best translation unit within the LXX. It is distinguished by a uniformly high level of the vernacular style and by faithfulness to the Hebrew, with rare lapses into literalism" (Soderlund, s.v. "Septuagint," in ISBE).

So the fact that  is rendered with words indicating virginity in this part of the LXX leads one to have confidence that such is what  meant. The LXX is a Jewish source, perhaps the most ancient that we have outside of the Hebrew OT on the sense of . So it carries considerable weight.

An argument raised against the sense of "virgin"  for  in Isa 7:14 claims that Isaiah spoke to a woman who was actually present with himself and King Ahaz. The NET Bible on Isa 7:14 claims:

Heb "the young woman." The words "over here" are added in the translation to bring out the force of the article. It is very likely that Isaiah pointed to a woman who was present at the scene of the prophet's interview with Ahaz. Isaiah's address to the "house of David" and his use of second plural forms suggests other people were present, and his use of the second feminine singular verb form ("you will name") later in the verse is best explained if addressed to a woman who is present (The NET Bible www.bible.org/netbible/index.htm).

The grammatical evidence does not require this interpretation, however. In the Hebrew of the MT it says, and "and she will call." Delitzsch claims that the verb form  should not be translated "you will name' but rather "she will name." He states that the pointing makes a distinction between "she calls"  and "you call" , and he cites GKC 74g in support. Delitzsch points to similar forms in Gen 33:11; Deut 31:29; Ps 118:23, and Lev 25:21 (Delitzsch, Isaiah 1:216). Regarding the third feminine singular reading "and she will call" in the MT, Oswalt says, "Most of the Greek versions and a number of medieval Hebrew mss. read 'You [masc. sing.] shall . . ,' but the MT has the harder reading and there is no reason to think it corrupt" (Oswalt, Isaiah 1-39 202, n. 2). Motyer likewise finds the form "unusual but not indefensible" (J. Alec Motyer, The Prophecy of Isaiah [Downers Grove, IL: Intervarsity, 1993] 85, n. 3).

The unpointed text could be read as "you (sing.) will call," and that is the way the LXX took it, with most of the Greek versions and some medieval Hebrew manuscripts. But in the LXX the "you" in the context of verses 13-14 is otherwise plural. The singular "you" could point to an individual like Ahaz or his wife, but it might refer to an indefinite singular "you" such as we sometimes use in the United States for "anyone": "In this world you've got to be sharp." The Psalms use a singular "you" in this generalized way (e.g., Ps 121:3: "he will not let your foot slip"). So does Proverbs (e.g., Prov 14:7: "stay away from a foolish man, for you will not find lips of knowledge").

Perhaps Matthew understood the singular "you" in the LXX in this indefinite way: "you will call his name." Since the third plural is also an indefinite way to refer to unnamed individuals, it would then be a comparable expression. The Hebrew often uses the indefinite third plural as a substitute for the passive.

It seem unsupportable that  ("boy") in Isa 7:16 could refer the  in 8:4 if we rule out Isaiah's wife as the virgin, since Isaiah's wife had already borne a child, there is no evidence for a second wife, and every instance of  in the OT apparently refers to a virgin.

However, the parallel with 8:4 is strong, and the name Immanuel appears in 8:8. Could this suggest that the word  bears the sense young woman, even though the other six uses of the word apparently refer to virgins? That would be one way to argue. But the phrase "the young woman" in Isa 7:14 seems a strange designation for Isaiah's wife. How would king Ahaz or anyone in the audience know that Isaiah was referring to his wife? Furthermore, in 7:14 and 8:3 we have two names, with two slightly different connotations. It seems just as probable that we have two infants, and the prophecy could be generic in 7:14, a time-gauging illustration.

God earlier had simply said that Damascus was nothing to fear and that Ephraim would be ruined within sixty-five years (vv. 7-9). Ahaz would probably not be alive in sixty-five years; so the prophecy could sound vague. The sign of 7:14 was God's prophecy of a specific and near time for the defeat of Ephraim and Syria. When it occurred, Ahaz would know that the Lord had prophesied it.

It was not especially significant that a particular woman be the mother. What mattered was the specification of time. If an  was a virgin, then some time would be necessary for her to marry, conceive and bear a child, and begin raising it. Before these things could transpire, the prophecy about Ephraim and Syria would find realization.

The definite article with  can be generic. The young woman in Israel will do such and such. (She was just the person that an Israelite man would consider deserving of protection, the girl destined to be a mother; the woman is the glory of the man). She will name her child "Immanuel" because of her faith that God is watching over the nation. God will indeed fulfill His prophecy as He said, but the name Immanuel will turn out to carry irony. Due to the failure of the nation's leaders, God will bring Assyria in judgment upon Israel. So having God "with us" is not necessarily a sign of good times ahead.


ENDNOTES

1.  See "Immanuel," in ISBE 2 (1982): 806, for Israelite names similar to
Immanuel.

2.  See the dialogue in Exod 33:15-17. Compare Josh 1:5 and Isa 41:4, 10;
43:2, 5.

3.   If God gave the prophecy in 8:6 years after the prophecy in 8:3-5,
nothing in the text would indicate this fact other than that God spoke
again to Isaiah (8:5).

4.   A sidelight is that the woman represents the remnant of faith in
Isaiah 7, Isaiah and his sons represent the remnant in Isaiah 8, and in Isa
9:1-7 the Davidic son enables the remnant to dominate.

5.   Although Isaiah does not explicitly use his name, his book uses the
noun and verb "save" more than any other prophet, often in conjunction with
the name of the Lord.

6.   See GKC 126r, which describes the capacity of the Hebrew definite
article to take an indefinite sense. So in Isa 7:14 it could be either
definite or indefinite.

7.   See J. C. L. Gibson, Canaanite Myths and Legends (London: T. & T.
Clark, 1977) 30 and 128, l. 7.

8.   The possibility that there was a double fulfillment remains; in this
case Isa 8:8, 10 with 9:6 would indicate that the intention of God's words
transcended the immediate fulfillment in Ahaz's day.
  
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 04:10:17 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] a taste of what we are going through here in the Old City
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Shalom Chaverim Yikarim,

???? This was forwarded to me by a guy I knew way back in Lehman College.? There are several parts to this below, so please keep reading.? But do you know what - the islamo-nazi scum will NEVER break us.....

???? The Israeli police broke up a demonstration yesterday that was demanding that the 'mourning tent' for the terrorist who murdered those boys be torn down.? There shouldn't be a demonstration about that....someone should go, quietly, and burn it down.....

???? Enough already...."Blessed is the L-rd that trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle"? Psalm 144

???? B'Ahavat HaMoledet (with love of the homeland),
????????? Hanoch





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Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 8:24 am
Subject: Fwd: a taste of what we are going through here in the Old City



Shalom,
????? I just received this letter from a friend of mine who has lived with his family in the Jewish Quarter of the Old City for many years. I never had the privilege of knowing these people myself.
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Subject:? a taste of what we are going through here in the Old City



Family, friends,? 

?

The Jewish?Quarter lost two boys, and the Avichayil boy also used to live here. I spent now two and a half hours with the Cohens in the Moslem Quarter, the first family whose house I visited and showed on tour with Ateret Cohanim 20 years ago.?

?

Just now the 15 year old boys Bnei Akiva friends and counselors came in. Neriya?Cohen was the life of the branch. My daughter does not want to go to school tomorrow. I read his 8th grade notebook- he recorded and reviewed his learning clearer than I do now. The look in his younger sister's eyes is terrible to behold. The smile on the parents' faces hearing about how their son was a true friend, was a fighter for what he believed- we are talking about a 15 year old, until the end of the evening I thought he was 18. his two best friend and neighbors were so shaken and sad, they were brothers.?The father was working to get them to smile, to talk. 

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The love between the family,?friends, and community is an absolute honor to be a part of. That's it for now, just to give you a taste. 

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From: Rabbi Jeremy Fenster [mailto:rfenster at netvision.net.il] 
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 4:25 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: A Sullen Rosh Chodesh Adar





?

In last night's terrorist attack at the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva?in Jerusalem

the Jewish Quarter of the Old City took?severe losses.

?

One of the Rosh HaYeshivas of Yeshivat HaKotel lost a son.

These past months the father, Tuvyah Lifshitz,?is the Rabbi who leads the Yeshivat HaKotel

contingent down to the Kotel on Friday nights.

?

The family davens in?the Ramban Shul, where I daven, during the week.

And they happen to sit?in the row?right in front of me.

?

This family's members?are particularly tall, the father around 6'4".

The boys have also grown tall and I have watched them from my seat,

from behind,?grow from small seedlings?into tall thin stingbeans.

?

The son that was killed, the family's second son, was a particularly sweet soft?angelic looking person.?

My boys, Uri and Akiva, who grew up with him, remind me of his prodigious reading.

He was one of these kids who read through the whole library.

?

The second loss was to the Cohen family who are longtime residents of the Moslem Quarter.

All the families that live in the neighboring?Moslem Quarter,?use 

the Jewish Quarter's schools stores?etc... on a everyday basis.

In the past I have played basketball on the local court with the father.

?

It seems that these two were representative of the very pure souls that were taken.

?

The neighborhood, as I am sure all of Jerusalem, has been?quiet and sullen all day.

?

Irena, the checkout woman at the local mini-market, 

who has been selling candy to these boys for years looks terrible.

?

The signs on the mini-market's door announcing the deaths and the funeral times

stand in silent testimony to the community's loss.

?

The only noise that was heard in the area today was the cheering and hoopla

coming from the Temple Mount where there were Arab Friday?prayers.

They were?celebrating, happy with their compatriot's success.

?

The Talmud understands a verse from the Book of Habakkuk, "A tzadik will live in his faith" to mean

that in future times the later generations are will tested on faith.

?

There will be straining events, happenings that are painful and impossible to understand.

G-d's goodness will be incomprehensible to us. 

Yet we have to hang in there and not lose faith in God's goodness.

?

It takes work, because it ain't always simple.

?

May we know happier days and share in each others happy occasions.

Chodesh Tov,

Good Shabbos,

Jeremy

?

PS?? My upstairs neighbor, we are only 2 apartments in the building,

just came to the door to ask to borrow a jar of?peach preserves.

?

I knew her husband taught in a high school program?somewhere in the area of

Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva, but I was never sure?exactly where.

?

She just told me that this was his yeshiva, these were his students.

He had barricaded himself, with some students, to save themselves from the shooting.

?

At this moment he is on?his way back from Shiloh, from funerals.

?

These?neighbors lost a daughter to a terrorist attack about 10 years ago.

I wish you were all here to have?heard?her in this?quick?conversation?at the door.

No rancor, no pain, no fear or freak-out in the eyes... 

I am humbled by the calm strength in the face of the pain and tragedy.

?

Good Shabbos.

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From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com  Sat Mar 15 12:00:32 2008
From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:00:32 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] God Bless Boston - U.S.A. & Red Sox Naton !
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This brought tears to my eyes.  I am an old sentemental at heart I guess.
Hooray for the Sox fans.




  Subject: God bless Boston
  On Disabilities Awareness Day, in a baseball stadium ( Fenway Park Boston ), on what I can only describe a perfect day, is an excellent example of the old saying "It takes a Village". 

  This man with autism, who was chosen to sing the national anthem, got a case of the giggles half way through. 

  Listen to what the crowd does to support him. 

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhcZRFcjbhw 
  (Just click on above hyperlink) 

  Makes you wonder what the world would be like if we always helped, not hurt one another. 




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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 17 10:24:15 2008
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:24:15 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] God Bless Boston - U.S.A. & Red Sox Naton !
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Brought tears to my eyes also.

Thank you,
Kim

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>  People can be wonderful after all?????   Dick L
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> This brought tears to my eyes.  I am an old sentemental at heart I guess.
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> ), on what I can only describe a perfect day, is an excellent example of the
> old saying "It takes a Village".
>
> This man with autism, who was chosen to sing the national anthem, got a
> case of the giggles half way through.
>
> Listen to what the crowd does to support him.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhcZRFcjbhw
> (Just click on above hyperlink)
>
> Makes you wonder what the world would be like if we always helped, not
> hurt one another.
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> "Have A Nice Day"
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Mar 17 13:56:08 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:56:08 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] God Bless Boston - U.S.A. & Red Sox Naton !
In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0803170824i3d06c7ccs45f375b4e11e44fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001c88860$8fd04c50$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Mine too.  Beautiful response from the crowd!  Thanks, Dick for sharing!

Love,

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of kim alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:24 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] God Bless Boston - U.S.A. & Red Sox Naton !

 

Brought tears to my eyes also.

Thank you,
Kim

On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Dick L <rlibby03 at maine.rr.com> wrote:

People can be wonderful after all?????   Dick L

----- 

.Subject: God Bless Boston - U.S.A. & Red Sox Naton !

 

 

 

This brought tears to my eyes.  I am an old sentemental at heart I guess.

Hooray for the Sox fans.

 


Subject: God bless Boston

On Disabilities Awareness Day, in a baseball stadium ( Fenway Park Boston ),
on what I can only describe a perfect day, is an excellent example of the
old saying "It takes a Village". 

This man with autism, who was chosen to sing the national anthem, got a case
of the giggles half way through. 

Listen to what the crowd does to support him. 

 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhcZRFcjbhw>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhcZRFcjbhw 
(Just click on above hyperlink) 

Makes you wonder what the world would be like if we always helped, not hurt
one another. 

 

 

 

 

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Mar 17 14:12:40 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:12:40 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] a taste of what we are going through here in the Old
	City
In-Reply-To: <8CA561D7882650E-E28-198E@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <004401c88862$df2956a0$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Thank-you, Hanoch for sharing these sad and moving stories; I read them all.
This tragedy has been on my mind so much; I still cannot imagine the horror
of it all. May we continue our prayers for support and may our brothers and
sisters in all Israel be empowered to keep their resolve and keep those
sparks shining brightly in the wake of all they are going thru.  

Your quote is very appropriate here. 

 

...."Blessed is the L-rd that trains my hands for war and my fingers for
battle"  Psalm 144

 

May the day come quickly when Amalek be cut down and destroyed!

 

B'Ahavah HaMoledet (with love of the homeland),

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of youngbarzel at aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:10 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] a taste of what we are going through here in the Old
City

 

 

Shalom Chaverim Yikarim,

     This was forwarded to me by a guy I knew way back in Lehman College.
There are several parts to this below, so please keep reading.  But do you
know what - the islamo-nazi scum will NEVER break us.....

     The Israeli police broke up a demonstration yesterday that was
demanding that the 'mourning tent' for the terrorist who murdered those boys
be torn down.  There shouldn't be a demonstration about that....someone
should go, quietly, and burn it down.....

     Enough already...."Blessed is the L-rd that trains my hands for war and
my fingers for battle"  Psalm 144

     B'Ahavat HaMoledet (with love of the homeland),
          Hanoch




-----Original Message-----
From: moshef at netscape.net
Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 8:24 am
Subject: Fwd: a taste of what we are going through here in the Old City

Shalom,
      I just received this letter from a friend of mine who has lived with
his family in the Jewish Quarter of the Old City for many years. I never had
the privilege of knowing these people myself.
                                                Moshe

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: 
Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 1:21 am
Subject:  a taste of what we are going through here in the Old City

Family, friends,  

 

The Jewish Quarter lost two boys, and the Avichayil boy also used to live
here. I spent now two and a half hours with the Cohens in the Moslem
Quarter, the first family whose house I visited and showed on tour with
Ateret Cohanim 20 years ago. 

 

Just now the 15 year old boys Bnei Akiva friends and counselors came in.
Neriya Cohen was the life of the branch. My daughter does not want to go to
school tomorrow. I read his 8th grade notebook- he recorded and reviewed his
learning clearer than I do now. The look in his younger sister's eyes is
terrible to behold. The smile on the parents' faces hearing about how their
son was a true friend, was a fighter for what he believed- we are talking
about a 15 year old, until the end of the evening I thought he was 18. his
two best friend and neighbors were so shaken and sad, they were brothers.
The father was working to get them to smile, to talk. 

 

The love between the family, friends, and community is an absolute honor to
be a part of. That's it for now, just to give you a taste. 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: Rabbi Jeremy Fenster [mailto:rfenster at netvision.net.il
<mailto:rfenster at netvision.net.il?> ] 
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 4:25 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: A Sullen Rosh Chodesh Adar

 

In last night's terrorist attack at the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem

the Jewish Quarter of the Old City took severe losses.

 

One of the Rosh HaYeshivas of Yeshivat HaKotel lost a son.

These past months the father, Tuvyah Lifshitz, is the Rabbi who leads the
Yeshivat HaKotel

contingent down to the Kotel on Friday nights.

 

The family davens in the Ramban Shul, where I daven, during the week.

And they happen to sit in the row right in front of me.

 

This family's members are particularly tall, the father around 6'4".

The boys have also grown tall and I have watched them from my seat,

from behind, grow from small seedlings into tall thin stingbeans.

 

The son that was killed, the family's second son, was a particularly sweet
soft angelic looking person. 

My boys, Uri and Akiva, who grew up with him, remind me of his prodigious
reading.

He was one of these kids who read through the whole library.

 

The second loss was to the Cohen family who are longtime residents of the
Moslem Quarter.

All the families that live in the neighboring Moslem Quarter, use 

the Jewish Quarter's schools stores etc... on a everyday basis.

In the past I have played basketball on the local court with the father.

 

It seems that these two were representative of the very pure souls that were
taken.

 

The neighborhood, as I am sure all of Jerusalem, has been quiet and sullen
all day.

 

Irena, the checkout woman at the local mini-market, 

who has been selling candy to these boys for years looks terrible.

 

The signs on the mini-market's door announcing the deaths and the funeral
times

stand in silent testimony to the community's loss.

 

The only noise that was heard in the area today was the cheering and hoopla

coming from the Temple Mount where there were Arab Friday prayers.

They were celebrating, happy with their compatriot's success.

 

The Talmud understands a verse from the Book of Habakkuk, "A tzadik will
live in his faith" to mean

that in future times the later generations are will tested on faith.

 

There will be straining events, happenings that are painful and impossible
to understand.

G-d's goodness will be incomprehensible to us. 

Yet we have to hang in there and not lose faith in God's goodness.

 

It takes work, because it ain't always simple.

 

May we know happier days and share in each others happy occasions.

Chodesh Tov,

Good Shabbos,

Jeremy

 

PS   My upstairs neighbor, we are only 2 apartments in the building,

just came to the door to ask to borrow a jar of peach preserves.

 

I knew her husband taught in a high school program somewhere in the area of

Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva, but I was never sure exactly where.

 

She just told me that this was his yeshiva, these were his students.

He had barricaded himself, with some students, to save themselves from the
shooting.

 

At this moment he is on his way back from Shiloh, from funerals.

 

These neighbors lost a daughter to a terrorist attack about 10 years ago.

I wish you were all here to have heard her in this quick conversation at the
door.

No rancor, no pain, no fear or freak-out in the eyes... 

I am humbled by the calm strength in the face of the pain and tragedy.

 

Good Shabbos.

 

 

 

   

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Mar 17 14:57:23 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:57:23 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject)
Message-ID: <008a01c88869$1e6e2e20$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Dear friends,

 

Many of us are aware of the tragic occurrences in Sderot with the Kassan
rockets.  Hadassah is sponsoring this solidarity rally thru the internet for
Jews and supporters of Israel all over the world.   If it looks like
something you would be interested in, you can click on the web link below at
the designated time and join in.  Or if you are unable to do it at that
time, you can click on the link and view a short clip about what it is like
to live in Sderot.it is amazing what these people go thru every day while so
many of us elsewhere in the world just go about our daily lives.  There
lives are not ever "routine."  They are courageous and strong and they need
our prayers and support!

 

Shalom and blessings,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

 

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From RNDAVAR at aol.com  Mon Mar 17 19:49:25 2008
From: RNDAVAR at aol.com (RNDAVAR at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:49:25 EDT
Subject: [Dialogue] Keep on keeping on, Ross!
Message-ID: <ce8.2a84f044.35106b95@aol.com>

Dear Pat and Betty,
 
Thanks for the encouraging words.  I am very excited that these  lessons are 
being listened to around the globe.  Most of the feedback is  positive and 
encouraging. I appreciate the kind words.
 
Shalom, Ross
 
Ross K.  Nichols 
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From tsbcroley at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 17 19:56:50 2008
From: tsbcroley at yahoo.com (Tammy & Bruce Croley)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:56:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] Keep on keeping on, Ross!
In-Reply-To: <002301c887d9$937524c0$643c66c9@bettygivin>
Message-ID: <177357.3954.qm@web57103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Dear Ross,
  I haven't emailed, but I am listening in every week to Sunday Shul and am LOVING the teaching!!  Thank you so much for all that you are doing.  These are issues that I have been studying for some time now.  Keep up the GOOD work and know that you are heard here in Alabama.
Shalom,
Tammy Croley

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 Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 8:44 PM
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 Subject: [Dialogue] Keep on keeping on, Ross!
  
   
  Thank you so much for what you are doing, Ross.  The teaching tonight was wonderful  as always, and I am so very appreciative of the sacrifices you make to teach us.  
  
 It was such a thrill when you said that you are hearing from Australia and Eastern  Europe!  May HaShem cause your voice to be heard to the ends of the Earth (and the Ozzies are pretty much at the end of the Earth!!!!).
  
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Mar 17 15:02:17 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:02:17 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: Hadassah Purim Rally for Israel - 2nd Posting
Message-ID: <009b01c88869$cd5766e0$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Sorry, I did not include the info at the bottom on the first posting.

 

Dear friends,

 

Many of us are aware of the tragic occurrences in Sderot with the Kassan
rockets.  Hadassah is sponsoring this solidarity rally thru the internet for
Jews and supporters of Israel all over the world.   If it looks like
something you would be interested in, you can click on the web link below at
the designated time and join in.  Or if you are unable to do it at that
time, you can click on the link and view a short clip about what it is like
to live in Sderot.it is amazing what these people go thru every day while so
many of us elsewhere in the world just go about our daily lives.  There
lives are not ever "routine."  They are courageous and strong and they need
our prayers and support!

 

Shalom and blessings,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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LOG ON TO THE BIGGEST EVER SOLIDARITY RALLY FOR ISRAEL!


Dear Hadassah Colleague,
This March 20th, the eve of Purim, help us make history in solidarity with
Israel. Show up no matter where you are. All you need to do is go to
http://www.together4israel.org <http://www.together4israel.org/>  .
Seven solidarity rallies . on four continents . live on the web . one
million people coming TOGETHER.
Join us as we represent all of you in Sderot for this historic occasion.
Jews from all over the world will come TOGETHER for the largest ever online
rally. Show your support for our brothers and sisters living under the
constant threat of terror.
Alan Dershowitz, the renowned American international lawyer and author of
"The Case for Israel" and Irwin Cotler, the former Canadian Minister of
Justice, will kick off the event broadcasting live from Sderot, Israel at 11
p.m. local time, 5 p.m. EST.
>From Sderot we will jump to live webcasts of rallies in Jerusalem, South
Africa, London, New York, Los Angeles and Australia. Be there in person or
online. Everyone will be counted.
Invited speakers include South Africa's former President, Nelson Mandela;
Israel's Chief Rabbi Yonah Metzger; David Trimble, former First Minister of
Ireland; the Chief Rabbi of the United Kingdom, Sir Jonathan Sacks; and
Marvin Hier, Director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. 
Don't miss this historic opportunity to come TOGETHER for Israel. On Purim
night, March 20th, 11 p.m. Israel time, log on to
http://www.together4israel.org <http://www.together4israel.org/>  and be
counted. Give courage and strength to our brothers and sisters who live
under fire.
Make a difference today.  Spread the word about our online rally at
http://www.together4israel.org <http://www.together4israel.org/>  and to
watch a short promotional video about the event.

Nancy Falchuk 
National President

Morlie Levin
National Executive Director
Hadassah, The Women's Zionist Organization of America, Inc.

 <http://www.hadassah.org/> http://www.hadassah.org/



Hadassah, The Women's Zionist Organization of America, Inc., 50 West 58th
Street, NY, NY 10019

 

 

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From: Betty Givin [mailto:bkgivin at charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:57 PM
To: 'dialogue at rootsoffaith.org'
Subject: 

 

Dear friends,

 

Many of us are aware of the tragic occurrences in Sderot with the Kassan
rockets.  Hadassah is sponsoring this solidarity rally thru the internet for
Jews and supporters of Israel all over the world.   If it looks like
something you would be interested in, you can click on the web link below at
the designated time and join in.  Or if you are unable to do it at that
time, you can click on the link and view a short clip about what it is like
to live in Sderot.it is amazing what these people go thru every day while so
many of us elsewhere in the world just go about our daily lives.  There
lives are not ever "routine."  They are courageous and strong and they need
our prayers and support!

 

Shalom and blessings,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

 

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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 00:05:18 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:05:18 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] a taste of what we are going through here in the Old
	City
In-Reply-To: <004401c88862$df2956a0$643c66c9@bettygivin>
References: <8CA561D7882650E-E28-198E@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com>
	<004401c88862$df2956a0$643c66c9@bettygivin>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803172205q4a863c55ib566c32f5fba8c24@mail.gmail.com>

The quote is very appropriate.  I haven't been able to stop thinking about
the video since I saw it; and your stories make it even more personal.  I
feel like it happened in my neighborhood to my neighbors and friends.

Kim

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:

>  Thank-you, Hanoch for sharing these sad and moving stories; I read them
> all.  This tragedy has been on my mind so much; I still cannot imagine the
> horror of it all. May we continue our prayers for support and may our
> brothers and sisters in all Israel be empowered to keep their resolve and
> keep those sparks shining brightly in the wake of all they are going thru.
>
> Your quote is very appropriate here.
>
>
>
> ...*."Blessed is the L-rd that trains my hands for war and my fingers for
> battle"  Psalm 144*
>
> * *
>
> May the day come quickly when Amalek be cut down and destroyed!
>
>
>
> B'Ahavah HaMoledet (with love of the homeland),
>
>
>
> Betty/Elisheva**
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:
> dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *youngbarzel at aol.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2008 3:10 AM
> *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
> *Subject:* [Dialogue] a taste of what we are going through here in the Old
> City
>
>
>
>
>
> Shalom Chaverim Yikarim,
>
>      This was forwarded to me by a guy I knew way back in Lehman College.
> There are several parts to this below, so please keep reading.  But do you
> know what - the islamo-nazi scum will NEVER break us.....
>
>      The Israeli police broke up a demonstration yesterday that was
> demanding that the 'mourning tent' for the terrorist who murdered those boys
> be torn down.  There shouldn't be a demonstration about that....someone
> should go, quietly, and burn it down.....
>
>      Enough already...."Blessed is the L-rd that trains my hands for war
> and my fingers for battle"  Psalm 144
>
>      B'Ahavat HaMoledet (with love of the homeland),
>           Hanoch
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moshef at netscape.net
> Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 8:24 am
> Subject: Fwd: a taste of what we are going through here in the Old City
>
> Shalom,
>       I just received this letter from a friend of mine who has lived with
> his family in the Jewish Quarter of the Old City for many years. I never had
> the privilege of knowing these people myself.
>                                                 Moshe
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> Sent: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 1:21 am
> Subject:  a taste of what we are going through here in the Old City
>
> Family, friends,
>
>
>
> The Jewish Quarter lost two boys, and the Avichayil boy also used to live
> here. I spent now two and a half hours with the Cohens in the Moslem
> Quarter, the first family whose house I visited and showed on tour with
> Ateret Cohanim 20 years ago.
>
>
>
> Just now the 15 year old boys Bnei Akiva friends and counselors came in.
> Neriya Cohen was the life of the branch. My daughter does not want to go to
> school tomorrow. I read his 8th grade notebook- he recorded and reviewed his
> learning clearer than I do now. The look in his younger sister's eyes is
> terrible to behold. The smile on the parents' faces hearing about how their
> son was a true friend, was a fighter for what he believed- we are talking
> about a 15 year old, until the end of the evening I thought he was 18. his
> two best friend and neighbors were so shaken and sad, they were
> brothers. The father was working to get them to smile, to talk.
>
>
>
> The love between the family, friends, and community is an absolute honor
> to be a part of. That's it for now, just to give you a taste.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Rabbi Jeremy Fenster [mailto:rfenster at netvision.net.il<rfenster at netvision.net.il?>]
>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 07, 2008 4:25 PM
> *To:* Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> *Subject:* A Sullen Rosh Chodesh Adar
>
>
>
> In last night's terrorist attack at the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem
>
> the Jewish Quarter of the Old City took severe losses.
>
>
>
> One of the Rosh HaYeshivas of Yeshivat HaKotel lost a son.
>
> These past months the father, Tuvyah Lifshitz, is the Rabbi who leads the
> Yeshivat HaKotel
>
> contingent down to the Kotel on Friday nights.
>
>
>
> The family davens in the Ramban Shul, where I daven, during the week.
>
> And they happen to sit in the row right in front of me.
>
>
>
> This family's members are particularly tall, the father around 6'4".
>
> The boys have also grown tall and I have watched them from my seat,
>
> from behind, grow from small seedlings into tall thin stingbeans.
>
>
>
> The son that was killed, the family's second son, was a particularly sweet
> soft angelic looking person.
>
> My boys, Uri and Akiva, who grew up with him, remind me of his prodigious
> reading.
>
> He was one of these kids who read through the whole library.
>
>
>
> The second loss was to the Cohen family who are longtime residents of the
> Moslem Quarter.
>
> All the families that live in the neighboring Moslem Quarter, use
>
> the Jewish Quarter's schools stores etc... on a everyday basis.
>
> In the past I have played basketball on the local court with the father.
>
>
>
> It seems that these two were representative of the very pure souls that
> were taken.
>
>
>
> The neighborhood, as I am sure all of Jerusalem, has been quiet and sullen
> all day.
>
>
>
> Irena, the checkout woman at the local mini-market,
>
> who has been selling candy to these boys for years looks terrible.
>
>
>
> The signs on the mini-market's door announcing the deaths and the funeral
> times
>
> stand in silent testimony to the community's loss.
>
>
>
> The only noise that was heard in the area today was the cheering and
> hoopla
>
> coming from the Temple Mount where there were Arab Friday prayers.
>
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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 00:06:33 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:06:33 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <008a01c88869$1e6e2e20$643c66c9@bettygivin>
References: <008a01c88869$1e6e2e20$643c66c9@bettygivin>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803172206j66899c14vdc2e09747618acbf@mail.gmail.com>

Not seeing a link?????????????

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:

>  Dear friends,
>
>
>
> Many of us are aware of the tragic occurrences in Sderot with the Kassan
> rockets.  Hadassah is sponsoring this solidarity rally thru the internet for
> Jews and supporters of Israel all over the world.   If it looks like
> something you would be interested in, you can click on the web link below at
> the designated time and join in.  Or if you are unable to do it at that
> time, you can click on the link and view a short clip about what it is like
> to live in Sderot?it is amazing what these people go thru every day while so
> many of us elsewhere in the world just go about our daily lives.  There
> lives are not ever "routine."  They are courageous and strong and they need
> our prayers and support!
>
>
>
> Shalom and blessings,
>
>
>
> Betty/Elisheva
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Tue Mar 18 00:15:06 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:15:06 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] RE: 1 Million Live Internet Solidarity Rally for Israel
	and Sderot this Thursday!
In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0803172206j66899c14vdc2e09747618acbf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f201c888b7$078f8ca0$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Sorry, Kim, it didn't come thru.  I have copied and pasted the info below
from the Tuesday Night Live in Jerusalem email that I received, as it has
the same info.

 

I hope that all of you know about the online solidarity rally for Israel and
Sderot this Thursday, on Purim, slated to be the biggest in history- the
goal is 1 million viewers! Just like the Jews came together when Haman
wanted to destroy us, so we must come together this year with the modern-day
Persia (Iran) looking to wipe us off the map, and the modern-day Haman/Hamas
firing rockets onto our soil daily. Please read the info below, register on
the website, and make sure you spread the word to everyone that you know so
we can reach the 1 million mark.  It's pretty amazing how the whole thing is
going to happen!

____________________________________________________________________________
_____________________________________________

  

Log on to the biggest solidarity rally EVER for Israel right from your home.

On March 20, 2008, you can make history.

Join 1,000,000 fellow Jews from 4 continents in uniting for an online rally
to show solidarity for Sderot and other communities that are under attack.

Make a difference for communities that desperately need your support.  

On March 20, 2008 we need 1,000,000 people to come together in an
unprecedented display of unity in the face of ever-spreading terror.   

Let the people of Sderot and Israel know that they are not alone.  Just go
to  <http://www.together4israel.com/> http://www.together4israel.com on
March 20, 2008 at 11 p.m. Israel Time or 5 p.m. EDT to watch a live webcast
of rallies from around the world and to be counted among 1,000,000
supporters of Israel.  The simplest gesture can change the world. 

Invited speakers include Yisroel Meir Lau, Chief Rabbi of Tel Aviv; Israel's
Chief Rabbi Yonah Metzger; Natan Sharansky, former Knesset member and Soviet
Refusenik; David Trimble, former First Minister of Ireland; the Chief Rabbi
of the United Kingdom, Sir Jonathan Sacks; and Marvin Hier, Director of the
Simon Wiesenthal Center. The event also features a live performance by
Matisyahu.

Every single individual counts.  Every one person who joins us on March 20
is one step closer to 1,000,000.  You can make a difference!  On March 20,
2008, band together with 1,000,000 to show the people of Sderot that they
are not alone.  Check out  <http://www.together4israel.org/>
http://www.together4israel.org today to see a preview video, to sign up for
an email reminder and for all the event details.

Please attend this online rally in support of those living under fire
Israel. You don't need to go anywhere--just log on to the site and watch a
live video. We plan for this to be the largest online rally EVER, with 1
million attending. Please invite your friends as well.

____________________________________________________________________________
____________________________________________________________________________
_______________________

 

 

  _____  

From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of kim alvarado
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:07 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] (no subject)

 

Not seeing a link?????????????

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:

Dear friends,

 

Many of us are aware of the tragic occurrences in Sderot with the Kassan
rockets.  Hadassah is sponsoring this solidarity rally thru the internet for
Jews and supporters of Israel all over the world.   If it looks like
something you would be interested in, you can click on the web link below at
the designated time and join in.  Or if you are unable to do it at that
time, you can click on the link and view a short clip about what it is like
to live in Sderot.it is amazing what these people go thru every day while so
many of us elsewhere in the world just go about our daily lives.  There
lives are not ever "routine."  They are courageous and strong and they need
our prayers and support!

 

Shalom and blessings,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

 


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From bkgivin at charter.net  Tue Mar 18 01:07:04 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:07:04 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: Fast of Esther
Message-ID: <010c01c888be$4a432fa0$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Dear friends,

As you know Purim is coming up this coming Thursday evening and it is
customary to fast on Thursday during the day prior to the Purim festivities
which commemorate the defeat of the evil Hamen who stands for Amalek who is
ever present with us.  I received this email from my friend, Barbara, who
forwarded this call to recite Psalms during this special Fast of Ester.  It
is not just for the ladies.  Please join in if you feel so led.

Love,

Betty/Elisheva

 

-I got this message today from Tzfat, Israel. I thought all of you ladies 

whom I'm sending this to may want to join in reciting the Psalms on Thursday


(Fast of Esther) for Israel. Repentenance, prayer, and fasting (along with 

tzedakah) are the Torah's antidote for fighting Amalek past and present.

    Barbara 

 

TEHILLIM ON TA'ANIT ESTER:

Rebbetzin Kanievsky has put out a call for all women to recite Tehillim 

(Psalms) on

Ta'anit Esther (Thursday-Fast of Esther) for Klal Yisrael (all Israel), 

given the terrible troubles (lo alenu) that

have come to our people. The following Tehillim should be recited at 12:00

exactly this Thursday: 22,28, 32,79, and 92. And everyone should try to take


upon

themselves to continue to say these Tehillim everyday afterwards, bli neder.

 

 

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From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 18 13:02:28 2008
From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:02:28 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Additional Rooms at the Doubletree for April UIWU
	Meeing: Book Now!
References: <8411ACC2F4EFD348ACF2761349AFA1FA03238E96@HWMXMSG06-bkup>
Message-ID: <3FD955E6-C82A-41E1-899E-6B1B87E877D0@earthlink.net>

Looks like we can get more rooms at the Doubletree if you call  
directly...Best to call Pina directly: 704 927 0014.

See message below. I think they really want to accommodate us. I would  
recommend people call TODAY if at all possible. All you have to do is  
hold a room with a credit card, you do not have to pay, but to get the  
$99 rate you have to stay through Sunday night, which almost everyone  
is doing anyway.

I will have the full program out by this weekend and we will broadcast  
this meeting more generally but I first wanted to give some of our  
"inside" folks a chance to book this hotel. We will still probably  
have to get an overflow hotel, as I am expecting quite a crowd this  
year, even more so when all of you find out about the topics we are  
presenting!  If so it will be one nearby and at a similar rate I hope.

Best,

James

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Francesca Szabo" <Francesca.Szabo at hilton.com>
> Date: March 18, 2008 8:26:23 AM EDT
> To: "James D. Tabor" <jdtabor at uncc.edu>
> Cc: "Pina J Patel" <pina.j.patel at hilton.com>
> Subject: RE: Additional Rooms
>
> Before looking for an overflow have the individuals call Pina  
> directly as we're able to get them in as long as they stay through  
> Sunday (checking out on Monday). Basically, our Revenue Director has  
> the authority to sell rooms that may be on hold (which is where the  
> term "forced" comes in). She is willing to get everyone in if their  
> stay pattern includes Sunday. Hope this helps and please call me  
> directly if you are not able to reach Pina as she may be with a  
> client or on another line. She is back today but I have no problem  
> assisting you as well. We truly appreciate your business and would  
> like to continue being a resource to you and your attendees.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Francesca Szabo
> Sr. Sales Manager
> 2005 Circle of Excellence Award Winner
> Doubletree Guest Suites Charlotte/SouthPark
> 6300 Morrison Blvd.
> Charlotte, NC 28211
> 704-927-0054 ~ Direct
> 704-362-0203 ~ Fax
> Francesca.Szabo at hilton.com
> www.charlottesouthparksuites.doubletree.com
> Online Brochure ~ http://dtgssouthpark.hotel-brochure.com
> Need a way to manage your group meetings, reservations, guests and  
> events? you are just a click away from:
> Booking a group or meeting: Click Here
>
> Managing your group block: Click Here
>
> Creating your group?s personalized group web page: Click Here
>
> Managing your company?s travel needs: Click Here
>
> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This message and any attachments may  
> contain confidential and privileged information. If it has been sent  
> to you in error, please reply to advise the sender of the error and  
> then immediately delete this message.
>
> DISCLAIMER: Nothing in this message should be interpreted as a  
> digital or electronic signature that can be used to form, execute,  
> document, agree to, enter into, accept or authenticate a contract or  
> other legal document.
>
> P Please consider the environment - do you really need to print this  
> email?
>
>
>
> From: James D. Tabor [mailto:jdtabor at uncc.edu]
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:34 PM
> To: Francesca Szabo
> Subject: Re: Additional Rooms
>
> Dear Francesca,
>
> Thanks so much for helping me in this. I really appreciate you  
> efforts.  I guess last week, in working this all out with Pina, I  
> made a big mistake in taking only 15 rooms rather than 30. I was  
> going on the basis of what I was told, mainly, that we could check  
> back today, which I did, and easily add more if we needed them. She  
> said you all had a meeting each Tuesday to work out the allocations,  
> etc. I went "conservative," for that reason, thinking expansion was  
> available if we needed it, since we would be coming back to you in  
> less than even a week.  I think we might end up needing as many as  
> 15 more so I am going to check with other hotels for overflow. Do  
> you have any suggestions?
>
> I will still let folks know though that they can call and try to  
> still get more rooms "forced." Can you explain to me what this  
> means? Should they call you or Pina directly? I will be sure that  
> everyone who wants to do this does it quickly, definitely in the  
> next few days...
>
> While we are speaking of that can you "force" me one more room on my  
> account, in my name?  I think I need five rather than four for our  
> speakers.
>
> Thanks. We are very much looking forward to being with you.
>
> James
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Francesca Szabo wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon Mr. Tabor,
>>
>> Attached is a list of those who have reservations with us and their  
>> confirmation numbers. I was able to change Ms. Lusk's room to a non- 
>> smoking with 2 double beds and checking in on the 10th. Also spoke  
>> with my Revenue director who advised to just let myself or Pina  
>> know when you need more rooms as we'll force them in as they come.  
>> We're not able to hold additional rooms but she is willing to force  
>> them in as they come as long as they are staying through Sunday.  
>> Hope this helps. Please let me know if you have any questions or if  
>> I may offer you further assistance.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Francesca Szabo
>> Sr. Sales Manager
>> 2005 Circle of Excellence Award Winner
>> Doubletree Guest Suites Charlotte/SouthPark
>> 6300 Morrison Blvd.
>> Charlotte, NC 28211
>> 704-927-0054 ~ Direct
>> 704-362-0203 ~ Fax
>> Francesca.Szabo at hilton.com
>> www.charlottesouthparksuites.doubletree.com
>> Online Brochure ~ http://dtgssouthpark.hotel-brochure.com
>> Need a way to manage your group meetings, reservations, guests and  
>> events? you are just a click away from:
>> Booking a group or meeting: Click Here
>>
>> Managing your group block: Click Here
>>
>> Creating your group?s personalized group web page: Click Here
>>
>> Managing your company?s travel needs: Click Here
>>
>> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This message and any attachments may  
>> contain confidential and privileged information. If it has been  
>> sent to you in error, please reply to advise the sender of the  
>> error and then immediately delete this message.
>>
>> DISCLAIMER: Nothing in this message should be interpreted as a  
>> digital or electronic signature that can be used to form, execute,  
>> document, agree to, enter into, accept or authenticate a contract  
>> or other legal document.
>>
>> P Please consider the environment - do you really need to print  
>> this email?
>>
>>
>> <united israel.pdf>
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From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 18 13:28:26 2008
From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:28:26 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Additional Rooms at the Doubletree for April UIWU
	Meeing: Book Now!
References: <8411ACC2F4EFD348ACF2761349AFA1FA03238E96@HWMXMSG06-bkup>
Message-ID: <DBF3E89C-A106-4094-9332-672DE8D07DFF@earthlink.net>

Looks like we can get more rooms at the Doubletree if you call  
directly...Best to call Pina directly: 704 927 0014.

See message below. I think they really want to accommodate us. I would  
recommend people call TODAY if at all possible. All you have to do is  
hold a room with a credit card, you do not have to pay, but to get the  
$99 rate you have to stay through Sunday night, which almost everyone  
is doing anyway.

I will have the full program out by this weekend and we will broadcast  
this meeting more generally but I first wanted to give some of our  
"inside" folks a chance to book this hotel. We will still probably  
have to get an overflow hotel, as I am expecting quite a crowd this  
year, even more so when all of you find out about the topics we are  
presenting!  If so it will be one nearby and at a similar rate I hope.

Best,

James

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Francesca Szabo" <Francesca.Szabo at hilton.com>
> Date: March 18, 2008 8:26:23 AM EDT
> To: "James D. Tabor" <jdtabor at uncc.edu>
> Cc: "Pina J Patel" <pina.j.patel at hilton.com>
> Subject: RE: Additional Rooms
>
> Before looking for an overflow have the individuals call Pina  
> directly as we're able to get them in as long as they stay through  
> Sunday (checking out on Monday). Basically, our Revenue Director has  
> the authority to sell rooms that may be on hold (which is where the  
> term "forced" comes in). She is willing to get everyone in if their  
> stay pattern includes Sunday. Hope this helps and please call me  
> directly if you are not able to reach Pina as she may be with a  
> client or on another line. She is back today but I have no problem  
> assisting you as well. We truly appreciate your business and would  
> like to continue being a resource to you and your attendees.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Francesca Szabo
> Sr. Sales Manager
> 2005 Circle of Excellence Award Winner
> Doubletree Guest Suites Charlotte/SouthPark
> 6300 Morrison Blvd.
> Charlotte, NC 28211
> 704-927-0054 ~ Direct
> 704-362-0203 ~ Fax
> Francesca.Szabo at hilton.com
> www.charlottesouthparksuites.doubletree.com
> Online Brochure ~ http://dtgssouthpark.hotel-brochure.com
> Need a way to manage your group meetings, reservations, guests and  
> events? you are just a click away from:
> Booking a group or meeting: Click Here
>
> Managing your group block: Click Here
>
> Creating your group?s personalized group web page: Click Here
>
> Managing your company?s travel needs: Click Here
>
> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This message and any attachments may  
> contain confidential and privileged information. If it has been sent  
> to you in error, please reply to advise the sender of the error and  
> then immediately delete this message.
>
> DISCLAIMER: Nothing in this message should be interpreted as a  
> digital or electronic signature that can be used to form, execute,  
> document, agree to, enter into, accept or authenticate a contract or  
> other legal document.
>
> P Please consider the environment - do you really need to print this  
> email?
>
>
>
> From: James D. Tabor [mailto:jdtabor at uncc.edu]
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:34 PM
> To: Francesca Szabo
> Subject: Re: Additional Rooms
>
> Dear Francesca,
>
> Thanks so much for helping me in this. I really appreciate you  
> efforts.  I guess last week, in working this all out with Pina, I  
> made a big mistake in taking only 15 rooms rather than 30. I was  
> going on the basis of what I was told, mainly, that we could check  
> back today, which I did, and easily add more if we needed them. She  
> said you all had a meeting each Tuesday to work out the allocations,  
> etc. I went "conservative," for that reason, thinking expansion was  
> available if we needed it, since we would be coming back to you in  
> less than even a week.  I think we might end up needing as many as  
> 15 more so I am going to check with other hotels for overflow. Do  
> you have any suggestions?
>
> I will still let folks know though that they can call and try to  
> still get more rooms "forced." Can you explain to me what this  
> means? Should they call you or Pina directly? I will be sure that  
> everyone who wants to do this does it quickly, definitely in the  
> next few days...
>
> While we are speaking of that can you "force" me one more room on my  
> account, in my name?  I think I need five rather than four for our  
> speakers.
>
> Thanks. We are very much looking forward to being with you.
>
> James
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Francesca Szabo wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon Mr. Tabor,
>>
>> Attached is a list of those who have reservations with us and their  
>> confirmation numbers. I was able to change Ms. Lusk's room to a non- 
>> smoking with 2 double beds and checking in on the 10th. Also spoke  
>> with my Revenue director who advised to just let myself or Pina  
>> know when you need more rooms as we'll force them in as they come.  
>> We're not able to hold additional rooms but she is willing to force  
>> them in as they come as long as they are staying through Sunday.  
>> Hope this helps. Please let me know if you have any questions or if  
>> I may offer you further assistance.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Francesca Szabo
>> Sr. Sales Manager
>> 2005 Circle of Excellence Award Winner
>> Doubletree Guest Suites Charlotte/SouthPark
>> 6300 Morrison Blvd.
>> Charlotte, NC 28211
>> 704-927-0054 ~ Direct
>> 704-362-0203 ~ Fax
>> Francesca.Szabo at hilton.com
>> www.charlottesouthparksuites.doubletree.com
>> Online Brochure ~ http://dtgssouthpark.hotel-brochure.com
>> Need a way to manage your group meetings, reservations, guests and  
>> events? you are just a click away from:
>> Booking a group or meeting: Click Here
>>
>> Managing your group block: Click Here
>>
>> Creating your group?s personalized group web page: Click Here
>>
>> Managing your company?s travel needs: Click Here
>>
>> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This message and any attachments may  
>> contain confidential and privileged information. If it has been  
>> sent to you in error, please reply to advise the sender of the  
>> error and then immediately delete this message.
>>
>> DISCLAIMER: Nothing in this message should be interpreted as a  
>> digital or electronic signature that can be used to form, execute,  
>> document, agree to, enter into, accept or authenticate a contract  
>> or other legal document.
>>
>> P Please consider the environment - do you really need to print  
>> this email?
>>
>>
>> <united israel.pdf>
>

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From youngbarzel at aol.com  Tue Mar 18 14:38:29 2008
From: youngbarzel at aol.com (youngbarzel at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:38:29 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] The situation in Jerusalem
Message-ID: <8CA5746C6AF0B80-CDC-FC@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com>

Shalom Chaverim Yikarim,

????? I apologize - I have wanted to write more, but have had severe time constraints, with the multiple purposes of this trip.? But?I wanted to write a few words about what's going on in Jerusalem.? This morning, Kyra and I were walking to the Old City, for a tour of Ir David - the City of David (there are new developments there now, almost every few months - very, very exciting).? As we approached the main street left to cross to go toward Shaar Yaffo (Jaffa Gate), two elite units of Israeli anti-terrorism police raced by, going toward East Jerusalem.? They were soon followed by other Police Units and ambulances - not a good sign...

???? It turns out a Rav was stabbed entering Shaar Shechem ('Damascus Gate'), which is part of arab - occupied?Jerusalem, the so-called, muslim Quarter.? This was the second attack in Jerusalem within the last 2 weeks,?committed by "Israeli arabs" - citizens of the State of Israel!!? Last week, Kyra, her friend and I were walking the walls of the Old City, and went in the 'wrong' direction - toward East Jerusalem.? I looked out over?Shaar Shechem, and saw a veritable?sea of arabs.....going about their business without a care, not worrying about being attacked, or having Jewish suicide bombers on their buses, or Jews shooting their children....

??? Shortly after that point, we were walking (on the walls), and an arab kid - probably no more then 5, grabbed some small rocks and tried to throw them up, to hit us - because he?was so young, he was unable to?reach us.? They?SO hate us.....even at the youngest of ages.? I was SO enraged, if I would have had a stone nearby, I probably would have thrown it, and?killed the little Jew-hater.? His brother, (maybe?8 or 9) came running over to him, as if to? make sure he wouldn't get into trouble, although he neither said anything to him, or to us.? I yelled at him (assuming the older one spoke Hebrew), "Ata rotzeh lamoot?"? - 'Do you want to die?'?I looked ahead of us, and saw a large group of teenagers playing soccer.? Had they joined in, we would have had no where to go, and I?was not armed - it was not a pleasant situation....Kyra, began gathering rocks, in case we had to fight, but the odds were not?in our favor, if a fight had occurred.?
, 
??? Throughout this walk - again, on the ramparts of Jerusalem, this was the strongest sense I've had of being surrounded by foreigners who hate me since I waked the streets of Moscow in 1976....This is 2008, and?it's as if Israel is unwilling and unable to protect its Jewish citizens; the Police have announced that anyone (Jewish..) walking into the 'muslim?Quarter' should have an armed guard.?In Jerusalem, the eternal capital of G-d's chosen?Land...

?? It is the most tense I have ever seen it, although everyone goes about their business like?there's nothing going on.? The prevailing?opinion is that bus?bombings are bound to occur sooner then later, and Israel recently discontinued having 'guards' at the bus stops, because they ran out of funding!? Unbelievable!!!? I did a brave Zionist act today - I road a bus though downtown Jerusalem!!? Some 'brave act,' huh???Pathetic!

???Tomorrow, G-d willing, I am taking Kyra to Hevron, to see the sites of some of my 'adventures' that I had written?to you folks about.? When I return, I am going to be speaking at a meeting of Christian Ephramites here in Jerusalem, thanks to John?Hully.? It will be a short version?of what I'm planning to speak about in Charlotte in April, about Judah & Ephraim relating to each other. and the issues involved.? They'll get the 'nice' stuff, I'll save the shocking stuff for the UIWU meeting...?:-)

?? I hope to write more soon, but just remember three words - "THEY MUST GO!!!"

?? B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael,
???????? Hanoch
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Tue Mar 18 15:18:41 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:18:41 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] The situation in Jerusalem
In-Reply-To: <8CA5746C6AF0B80-CDC-FC@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <014f01c88935$429c7140$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Dear Hanoch,

 

Thank-you for sharing what is really happening there in Jerusalem.  How sad
that the Rabbi was stabbed!  It is all so sad and tragic!  It seems that
nothing is being accomplished.just more and more hatred and anger being
instilled towards the Jewish people in the heart of their homeland.the place
where HaShem has chosen to place His name!  What is wrong with the
government that they can continually allow the people they are sworn to
protect to go on being slaughtered mercilessly? 

 

Tell me, does Yerushalayim mean, G-d, HaShem sees peace? I believe it was
Joseph Good that mentioned that years ago, with the explanation that
although we cannot see it, HaShem can because He can look into the future
and He will bring it about!  May it be soon! 

 

We need His mighty arm to come down and save His people! How long, HaShem,
how long?

 

My prayers are with you and Kyra and our brothers and sisters there. May you
be kept safe as you journey to Hevron tomorrow and back again to Jerusalem.
I know you are looking forward to showing Kyra around and then to meeting
and speaking to the Ephramites.  I can hardly wait for your report.

 

Take care and May HaShem protect you under the Shadow of His Wings!

 

Betty/Elisheva 

 

  _____  

From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of youngbarzel at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 2:38 PM
To: uilist at unitedisrael.org
Cc: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] The situation in Jerusalem

 

Shalom Chaverim Yikarim,

      I apologize - I have wanted to write more, but have had severe time
constraints, with the multiple purposes of this trip.  But I wanted to write
a few words about what's going on in Jerusalem.  This morning, Kyra and I
were walking to the Old City, for a tour of Ir David - the City of David
(there are new developments there now, almost every few months - very, very
exciting).  As we approached the main street left to cross to go toward
Shaar Yaffo (Jaffa Gate), two elite units of Israeli anti-terrorism police
raced by, going toward East Jerusalem.  They were soon followed by other
Police Units and ambulances - not a good sign...

     It turns out a Rav was stabbed entering Shaar Shechem ('Damascus
Gate'), which is part of arab - occupied Jerusalem, the so-called, muslim
Quarter.  This was the second attack in Jerusalem within the last 2 weeks,
committed by "Israeli arabs" - citizens of the State of Israel!!  Last week,
Kyra, her friend and I were walking the walls of the Old City, and went in
the 'wrong' direction - toward East Jerusalem.  I looked out over Shaar
Shechem, and saw a veritable sea of arabs.....going about their business
without a care, not worrying about being attacked, or having Jewish suicide
bombers on their buses, or Jews shooting their children....

    Shortly after that point, we were walking (on the walls), and an arab
kid - probably no more then 5, grabbed some small rocks and tried to throw
them up, to hit us - because he was so young, he was unable to reach us.
They SO hate us.....even at the youngest of ages.  I was SO enraged, if I
would have had a stone nearby, I probably would have thrown it, and killed
the little Jew-hater.  His brother, (maybe 8 or 9) came running over to him,
as if to  make sure he wouldn't get into trouble, although he neither said
anything to him, or to us.  I yelled at him (assuming the older one spoke
Hebrew), "Ata rotzeh lamoot?"  - 'Do you want to die?' I looked ahead of us,
and saw a large group of teenagers playing soccer.  Had they joined in, we
would have had no where to go, and I was not armed - it was not a pleasant
situation....Kyra, began gathering rocks, in case we had to fight, but the
odds were not in our favor, if a fight had occurred. 
, 
    Throughout this walk - again, on the ramparts of Jerusalem, this was the
strongest sense I've had of being surrounded by foreigners who hate me since
I waked the streets of Moscow in 1976....This is 2008, and it's as if Israel
is unwilling and unable to protect its Jewish citizens; the Police have
announced that anyone (Jewish..) walking into the 'muslim Quarter' should
have an armed guard. In Jerusalem, the eternal capital of G-d's chosen
Land...

   It is the most tense I have ever seen it, although everyone goes about
their business like there's nothing going on.  The prevailing opinion is
that bus bombings are bound to occur sooner then later, and Israel recently
discontinued having 'guards' at the bus stops, because they ran out of
funding!  Unbelievable!!!  I did a brave Zionist act today - I road a bus
though downtown Jerusalem!!  Some 'brave act,' huh?  Pathetic!

   Tomorrow, G-d willing, I am taking Kyra to Hevron, to see the sites of
some of my 'adventures' that I had written to you folks about.  When I
return, I am going to be speaking at a meeting of Christian Ephramites here
in Jerusalem, thanks to John Hully.  It will be a short version of what I'm
planning to speak about in Charlotte in April, about Judah & Ephraim
relating to each other. and the issues involved.  They'll get the 'nice'
stuff, I'll save the shocking stuff for the UIWU meeting... :-)

   I hope to write more soon, but just remember three words - "THEY MUST
GO!!!"

   B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael,
         Hanoch

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From shcole1 at cox.net  Wed Mar 19 08:22:52 2008
From: shcole1 at cox.net (sherry cole)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:22:52 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Regarding welcoming the stranger,
	a rabbi's approachand have been contemplating 
In-Reply-To: <003d01c8877e$24792f90$643c66c9@bettygivin>
References: <003d01c8877e$24792f90$643c66c9@bettygivin>
Message-ID: <AFA8F4496D0F4950900DD99DF5F11292@sherryPC>

Thank you Betty for sharing this. This really spoke to my heart as I  have recently learned the term " kehila kedoshah" (sacred community )and have been contemplating  just what it means to me personally. I appreciate being a part of the dialogue group ,  a kehila kedoshah without walls.
Look forward to seeing you all at the conference,
Blessings,
Sherry  -- Original Message ----- 
  From: Betty Givin 
  To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
  Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:55 AM
  Subject: [Dialogue] Regarding welcoming the stranger, a rabbi's approach


  I would like to share a couple of brief comments from the rabbi of the synagogue which I attend.  It is in regards to "the stranger." and I think that it shows where his heart is, which is very refreshing.

   

  "As Passover approaches, we start to appreciate our pizza or sandwiches a little more.  We might start to think about Seder plans, even joining CBI for 2nd Seder.

   

  But Passover is more than bread and Seder.  Each year we are supposed to imagine that we, ourselves, were freed from slavery. We are supposed to relearn the lessons of Egypt and in case we forgot, the Torah reminds us four different times that we should act kindly to strangers for we were strangers in the land of Egypt.  This teaching has major implications within our CBI community.

   

  We have "strangers" that walk into CBI all the time: strangers who are new to the area and are looking for a Jewish community, strangers who are thinking about conversion and may never have stepped foot in a synagogue before, and strangers who may have known about us for years and are finally giving us a chance.

   

  We also have "strangers" who are members of our community, but aren't always comfortable here.  Parents with young children have been shushed at services.  Members who are raising Jewish families even though they are not Jewish have not always felt warmly received.  And there are many members who do not come every week but still want to feel connected.  

   

  As a kehilah kedoshah,a sacred community, each one of us has the obligation to make CBI a welcoming place.  We owe it to the strangers in our midst, we owe it to our congregation, and we owe it to ourselves to ensure that CBI is a place where we can all belong.  We will need to reach out and connect and it takes awareness and effort.  To welcome the stranger, we can't be strangers, but together we all will be able to call CBI our spiritual home."

   

  Shavuah tov to all, (Have a good week!)

   

  Betty/Elisheva

   

   

   



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From bkgivin at charter.net  Wed Mar 19 08:43:57 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:43:57 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Regarding welcoming the stranger,
	a rabbi's approachand have been contemplating 
In-Reply-To: <AFA8F4496D0F4950900DD99DF5F11292@sherryPC>
Message-ID: <001201c889c7$48014880$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Hi Sherry, glad this spoke to your heart.  Yes, kehila kedosha, a sacred,
sanctified, or set apart community is indeed something very special.  I
remember how much it also meant to me the first time I heard it and began to
understand its meaning. I also love this dialogue group, this synagogue
without walls!  We are so blessed to be a part of it!  Yes, HaShem willing,
looking forward to seeing you at the conference. 

 

Blessings to you and Dave and family,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

  _____  

From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of sherry cole
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:23 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Regarding welcoming the stranger,a rabbi's
approachand have been contemplating 

 

Thank you Betty for sharing this. This really spoke to my heart as I  have
recently learned the term " kehila kedoshah" (sacred community )and have
been contemplating  just what it means to me personally. I appreciate being
a part of the dialogue group ,  a kehila kedoshah without walls.

Look forward to seeing you all at the conference,

Blessings,

Sherry  -- Original Message ----- 

From: Betty Givin <mailto:bkgivin at charter.net>  

To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 

Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:55 AM

Subject: [Dialogue] Regarding welcoming the stranger, a rabbi's approach

 

I would like to share a couple of brief comments from the rabbi of the
synagogue which I attend.  It is in regards to "the stranger." and I think
that it shows where his heart is, which is very refreshing.

 

"As Passover approaches, we start to appreciate our pizza or sandwiches a
little more.  We might start to think about Seder plans, even joining CBI
for 2nd Seder.

 

But Passover is more than bread and Seder.  Each year we are supposed to
imagine that we, ourselves, were freed from slavery. We are supposed to
relearn the lessons of Egypt and in case we forgot, the Torah reminds us
four different times that we should act kindly to strangers for we were
strangers in the land of Egypt.  This teaching has major implications within
our CBI community.

 

We have "strangers" that walk into CBI all the time: strangers who are new
to the area and are looking for a Jewish community, strangers who are
thinking about conversion and may never have stepped foot in a synagogue
before, and strangers who may have known about us for years and are finally
giving us a chance.

 

We also have "strangers" who are members of our community, but aren't always
comfortable here.  Parents with young children have been shushed at
services.  Members who are raising Jewish families even though they are not
Jewish have not always felt warmly received.  And there are many members who
do not come every week but still want to feel connected.  

 

As a kehilah kedoshah,a sacred community, each one of us has the obligation
to make CBI a welcoming place.  We owe it to the strangers in our midst, we
owe it to our congregation, and we owe it to ourselves to ensure that CBI is
a place where we can all belong.  We will need to reach out and connect and
it takes awareness and effort.  To welcome the stranger, we can't be
strangers, but together we all will be able to call CBI our spiritual home."

 

Shavuah tov to all, (Have a good week!)

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

 

 


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From jdtabor at uncc.edu  Tue Mar 18 07:52:21 2008
From: jdtabor at uncc.edu (James D. Tabor)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:52:21 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Additional Rooms at the Doubletree for April UIWU
	Meeing: Book Now!
References: <8411ACC2F4EFD348ACF2761349AFA1FA03238E96@HWMXMSG06-bkup>
Message-ID: <1E3D26B1-1719-47BF-88E0-3BCF7261949F@uncc.edu>

Looks like we can get more rooms at the Doubletree if you call  
directly...Best to call Pina directly: 704 927 0014.

See message below. I think they really want to accommodate us. I would  
recommend people call TODAY if at all possible. All you have to do is  
hold a room with a credit card, you do not have to pay, but to get the  
$99 rate you have to stay through Sunday night, which almost everyone  
is doing anyway.

I will have the full program out by this weekend and we will broadcast  
this meeting more generally but I first wanted to give some of our  
"inside" folks a chance to book this hotel. We will still probably  
have to get an overflow hotel, as I am expecting quite a crowd this  
year, even more so when all of you find out about the topics we are  
presenting!  If so it will be one nearby and at a similar rate I hope.

Best,

James

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Francesca Szabo" <Francesca.Szabo at hilton.com>
> Date: March 18, 2008 8:26:23 AM EDT
> To: "James D. Tabor" <jdtabor at uncc.edu>
> Cc: "Pina J Patel" <pina.j.patel at hilton.com>
> Subject: RE: Additional Rooms
>
> Before looking for an overflow have the individuals call Pina  
> directly as we're able to get them in as long as they stay through  
> Sunday (checking out on Monday). Basically, our Revenue Director has  
> the authority to sell rooms that may be on hold (which is where the  
> term "forced" comes in). She is willing to get everyone in if their  
> stay pattern includes Sunday. Hope this helps and please call me  
> directly if you are not able to reach Pina as she may be with a  
> client or on another line. She is back today but I have no problem  
> assisting you as well. We truly appreciate your business and would  
> like to continue being a resource to you and your attendees.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Francesca Szabo
> Sr. Sales Manager
> 2005 Circle of Excellence Award Winner
> Doubletree Guest Suites Charlotte/SouthPark
> 6300 Morrison Blvd.
> Charlotte, NC 28211
> 704-927-0054 ~ Direct
> 704-362-0203 ~ Fax
> Francesca.Szabo at hilton.com
> www.charlottesouthparksuites.doubletree.com
> Online Brochure ~ http://dtgssouthpark.hotel-brochure.com
> Need a way to manage your group meetings, reservations, guests and  
> events? you are just a click away from:
> Booking a group or meeting: Click Here
>
> Managing your group block: Click Here
>
> Creating your group?s personalized group web page: Click Here
>
> Managing your company?s travel needs: Click Here
>
> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This message and any attachments may  
> contain confidential and privileged information. If it has been sent  
> to you in error, please reply to advise the sender of the error and  
> then immediately delete this message.
>
> DISCLAIMER: Nothing in this message should be interpreted as a  
> digital or electronic signature that can be used to form, execute,  
> document, agree to, enter into, accept or authenticate a contract or  
> other legal document.
>
> P Please consider the environment - do you really need to print this  
> email?
>
>
>
> From: James D. Tabor [mailto:jdtabor at uncc.edu]
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:34 PM
> To: Francesca Szabo
> Subject: Re: Additional Rooms
>
> Dear Francesca,
>
> Thanks so much for helping me in this. I really appreciate you  
> efforts.  I guess last week, in working this all out with Pina, I  
> made a big mistake in taking only 15 rooms rather than 30. I was  
> going on the basis of what I was told, mainly, that we could check  
> back today, which I did, and easily add more if we needed them. She  
> said you all had a meeting each Tuesday to work out the allocations,  
> etc. I went "conservative," for that reason, thinking expansion was  
> available if we needed it, since we would be coming back to you in  
> less than even a week.  I think we might end up needing as many as  
> 15 more so I am going to check with other hotels for overflow. Do  
> you have any suggestions?
>
> I will still let folks know though that they can call and try to  
> still get more rooms "forced." Can you explain to me what this  
> means? Should they call you or Pina directly? I will be sure that  
> everyone who wants to do this does it quickly, definitely in the  
> next few days...
>
> While we are speaking of that can you "force" me one more room on my  
> account, in my name?  I think I need five rather than four for our  
> speakers.
>
> Thanks. We are very much looking forward to being with you.
>
> James
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Francesca Szabo wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon Mr. Tabor,
>>
>> Attached is a list of those who have reservations with us and their  
>> confirmation numbers. I was able to change Ms. Lusk's room to a non- 
>> smoking with 2 double beds and checking in on the 10th. Also spoke  
>> with my Revenue director who advised to just let myself or Pina  
>> know when you need more rooms as we'll force them in as they come.  
>> We're not able to hold additional rooms but she is willing to force  
>> them in as they come as long as they are staying through Sunday.  
>> Hope this helps. Please let me know if you have any questions or if  
>> I may offer you further assistance.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Francesca Szabo
>> Sr. Sales Manager
>> 2005 Circle of Excellence Award Winner
>> Doubletree Guest Suites Charlotte/SouthPark
>> 6300 Morrison Blvd.
>> Charlotte, NC 28211
>> 704-927-0054 ~ Direct
>> 704-362-0203 ~ Fax
>> Francesca.Szabo at hilton.com
>> www.charlottesouthparksuites.doubletree.com
>> Online Brochure ~ http://dtgssouthpark.hotel-brochure.com
>> Need a way to manage your group meetings, reservations, guests and  
>> events? you are just a click away from:
>> Booking a group or meeting: Click Here
>>
>> Managing your group block: Click Here
>>
>> Creating your group?s personalized group web page: Click Here
>>
>> Managing your company?s travel needs: Click Here
>>
>> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This message and any attachments may  
>> contain confidential and privileged information. If it has been  
>> sent to you in error, please reply to advise the sender of the  
>> error and then immediately delete this message.
>>
>> DISCLAIMER: Nothing in this message should be interpreted as a  
>> digital or electronic signature that can be used to form, execute,  
>> document, agree to, enter into, accept or authenticate a contract  
>> or other legal document.
>>
>> P Please consider the environment - do you really need to print  
>> this email?
>>
>>
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From jesusdynasty at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 18 08:02:00 2008
From: jesusdynasty at earthlink.net (Jesus Dynasty)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:02:00 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Additional Rooms at the Doubletree for April UIWU
	Meeing: Book Now!
References: <8411ACC2F4EFD348ACF2761349AFA1FA03238E96@HWMXMSG06-bkup>
Message-ID: <5CC9DA03-32B2-450D-8A81-3258022FAF81@earthlink.net>

Looks like we can get more rooms at the Doubletree if you call  
directly...Best to call Pina directly: 704 927 0014.

See message below. I think they really want to accommodate us. I would  
recommend people call TODAY if at all possible. All you have to do is  
hold a room with a credit card, you do not have to pay, but to get the  
$99 rate you have to stay through Sunday night, which almost everyone  
is doing anyway.

I will have the full program out by this weekend and we will broadcast  
this meeting more generally but I first wanted to give some of our  
"inside" folks a chance to book this hotel. We will still probably  
have to get an overflow hotel, as I am expecting quite a crowd this  
year, even more so when all of you find out about the topics we are  
presenting!  If so it will be one nearby and at a similar rate I hope.

Best,

James

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Francesca Szabo" <Francesca.Szabo at hilton.com>
> Date: March 18, 2008 8:26:23 AM EDT
> To: "James D. Tabor" <jdtabor at uncc.edu>
> Cc: "Pina J Patel" <pina.j.patel at hilton.com>
> Subject: RE: Additional Rooms
>
> Before looking for an overflow have the individuals call Pina  
> directly as we're able to get them in as long as they stay through  
> Sunday (checking out on Monday). Basically, our Revenue Director has  
> the authority to sell rooms that may be on hold (which is where the  
> term "forced" comes in). She is willing to get everyone in if their  
> stay pattern includes Sunday. Hope this helps and please call me  
> directly if you are not able to reach Pina as she may be with a  
> client or on another line. She is back today but I have no problem  
> assisting you as well. We truly appreciate your business and would  
> like to continue being a resource to you and your attendees.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Francesca Szabo
> Sr. Sales Manager
> 2005 Circle of Excellence Award Winner
> Doubletree Guest Suites Charlotte/SouthPark
> 6300 Morrison Blvd.
> Charlotte, NC 28211
> 704-927-0054 ~ Direct
> 704-362-0203 ~ Fax
> Francesca.Szabo at hilton.com
> www.charlottesouthparksuites.doubletree.com
> Online Brochure ~ http://dtgssouthpark.hotel-brochure.com
> Need a way to manage your group meetings, reservations, guests and  
> events? you are just a click away from:
> Booking a group or meeting: Click Here
>
> Managing your group block: Click Here
>
> Creating your group?s personalized group web page: Click Here
>
> Managing your company?s travel needs: Click Here
>
> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY: This message and any attachments may  
> contain confidential and privileged information. If it has been sent  
> to you in error, please reply to advise the sender of the error and  
> then immediately delete this message.
>
> DISCLAIMER: Nothing in this message should be interpreted as a  
> digital or electronic signature that can be used to form, execute,  
> document, agree to, enter into, accept or authenticate a contract or  
> other legal document.
>
> P Please consider the environment - do you really need to print this  
> email?
>
>
>
> From: James D. Tabor [mailto:jdtabor at uncc.edu]
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:34 PM
> To: Francesca Szabo
> Subject: Re: Additional Rooms
>
> Dear Francesca,
>
> Thanks so much for helping me in this. I really appreciate you  
> efforts.  I guess last week, in working this all out with Pina, I  
> made a big mistake in taking only 15 rooms rather than 30. I was  
> going on the basis of what I was told, mainly, that we could check  
> back today, which I did, and easily add more if we needed them. She  
> said you all had a meeting each Tuesday to work out the allocations,  
> etc. I went "conservative," for that reason, thinking expansion was  
> available if we needed it, since we would be coming back to you in  
> less than even a week.  I think we might end up needing as many as  
> 15 more so I am going to check with other hotels for overflow. Do  
> you have any suggestions?
>
> I will still let folks know though that they can call and try to  
> still get more rooms "forced." Can you explain to me what this  
> means? Should they call you or Pina directly? I will be sure that  
> everyone who wants to do this does it quickly, definitely in the  
> next few days...
>
> While we are speaking of that can you "force" me one more room on my  
> account, in my name?  I think I need five rather than four for our  
> speakers.
>
> Thanks. We are very much looking forward to being with you.
>
> James
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Francesca Szabo wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon Mr. Tabor,
>>
>> Attached is a list of those who have reservations with us and their  
>> confirmation numbers. I was able to change Ms. Lusk's room to a non- 
>> smoking with 2 double beds and checking in on the 10th. Also spoke  
>> with my Revenue director who advised to just let myself or Pina  
>> know when you need more rooms as we'll force them in as they come.  
>> We're not able to hold additional rooms but she is willing to force  
>> them in as they come as long as they are staying through Sunday.  
>> Hope this helps. Please let me know if you have any questions or if  
>> I may offer you further assistance.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Francesca Szabo
>> Sr. Sales Manager
>> 2005 Circle of Excellence Award Winner
>> Doubletree Guest Suites Charlotte/SouthPark
>> 6300 Morrison Blvd.
>> Charlotte, NC 28211
>> 704-927-0054 ~ Direct
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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 11:09:06 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:09:06 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: Fast of Esther
In-Reply-To: <010c01c888be$4a432fa0$643c66c9@bettygivin>
References: <010c01c888be$4a432fa0$643c66c9@bettygivin>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803180909g1b14f571o4381e07c25bbb99d@mail.gmail.com>

I copied and pasted the Psalms listed into the attached word document.  Is
it twelve our time or Israeli time?

Kim

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:

>  Dear friends,
>
> As you know Purim is coming up this coming Thursday evening and it is
> customary to fast on Thursday during the day prior to the Purim festivities
> which commemorate the defeat of the evil Hamen who stands for Amalek who is
> ever present with us.  I received this email from my friend, Barbara, who
> forwarded this call to recite Psalms during this special Fast of Ester.  It
> is not just for the ladies.  Please join in if you feel so led.
>
> Love,
>
> Betty/Elisheva
>
>
>
> -I got this message today from Tzfat, Israel. I thought all of you ladies
>
> whom I'm sending this to may want to join in reciting the Psalms on
> Thursday
>
> (Fast of Esther) for Israel. Repentenance, prayer, and fasting (along with
>
>
> tzedakah) are the Torah's antidote for fighting Amalek past and present.
>
>     Barbara
>
>
>
> TEHILLIM ON TA'ANIT ESTER:
>
> Rebbetzin Kanievsky has put out a call for all women to recite Tehillim
>
> (Psalms) on
>
> Ta'anit Esther (Thursday-Fast of Esther) for Klal Yisrael (all Israel),
>
> given the terrible troubles (lo alenu) that
>
> have come to our people. The following Tehillim should be recited at 12:00
>
> exactly this Thursday: 22,28, 32,79, and 92. And everyone should try to
> take
>
> upon
>
> themselves to continue to say these Tehillim everyday afterwards, bli
> neder.
>
>
>
>
>
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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Wed Mar 19 19:56:00 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:56:00 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Regarding welcoming the stranger,
	a rabbi's approachand have been contemplating 
In-Reply-To: <001201c889c7$48014880$643c66c9@bettygivin>
References: <AFA8F4496D0F4950900DD99DF5F11292@sherryPC>
	<001201c889c7$48014880$643c66c9@bettygivin>
Message-ID: <008601c88a25$2be8a8b0$0200a8c0@marvin>

Betty,

 

Could you or Sherry share with us what you have learned about the "kehila
kedosha"?  

 

Thanks 

marvin

 

  _____  

From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Betty Givin
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:44 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Regarding welcoming the stranger,a rabbi's
approachand have been contemplating 

 

Hi Sherry, glad this spoke to your heart.  Yes, kehila kedosha, a sacred,
sanctified, or set apart community is indeed something very special.  I
remember how much it also meant to me the first time I heard it and began to
understand its meaning. I also love this dialogue group, this synagogue
without walls!  We are so blessed to be a part of it!  Yes, HaShem willing,
looking forward to seeing you at the conference. 

 

Blessings to you and Dave and family,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of sherry cole
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:23 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Regarding welcoming the stranger,a rabbi's
approachand have been contemplating 

 

Thank you Betty for sharing this. This really spoke to my heart as I  have
recently learned the term " kehila kedoshah" (sacred community )and have
been contemplating  just what it means to me personally. I appreciate being
a part of the dialogue group ,  a kehila kedoshah without walls.

Look forward to seeing you all at the conference,

Blessings,

Sherry  -- Original Message ----- 

From: Betty Givin <mailto:bkgivin at charter.net>  

To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 

Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:55 AM

Subject: [Dialogue] Regarding welcoming the stranger, a rabbi's approach

 

I would like to share a couple of brief comments from the rabbi of the
synagogue which I attend.  It is in regards to "the stranger." and I think
that it shows where his heart is, which is very refreshing.

 

"As Passover approaches, we start to appreciate our pizza or sandwiches a
little more.  We might start to think about Seder plans, even joining CBI
for 2nd Seder.

 

But Passover is more than bread and Seder.  Each year we are supposed to
imagine that we, ourselves, were freed from slavery. We are supposed to
relearn the lessons of Egypt and in case we forgot, the Torah reminds us
four different times that we should act kindly to strangers for we were
strangers in the land of Egypt.  This teaching has major implications within
our CBI community.

 

We have "strangers" that walk into CBI all the time: strangers who are new
to the area and are looking for a Jewish community, strangers who are
thinking about conversion and may never have stepped foot in a synagogue
before, and strangers who may have known about us for years and are finally
giving us a chance.

 

We also have "strangers" who are members of our community, but aren't always
comfortable here.  Parents with young children have been shushed at
services.  Members who are raising Jewish families even though they are not
Jewish have not always felt warmly received.  And there are many members who
do not come every week but still want to feel connected.  

 

As a kehilah kedoshah,a sacred community, each one of us has the obligation
to make CBI a welcoming place.  We owe it to the strangers in our midst, we
owe it to our congregation, and we owe it to ourselves to ensure that CBI is
a place where we can all belong.  We will need to reach out and connect and
it takes awareness and effort.  To welcome the stranger, we can't be
strangers, but together we all will be able to call CBI our spiritual home."

 

Shavuah tov to all, (Have a good week!)

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

 

 


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From bkgivin at charter.net  Wed Mar 19 23:49:50 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:49:50 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: Fast of Esther
In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0803180909g1b14f571o4381e07c25bbb99d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101c88a45$d4fb13a0$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Kim, I just got an email of clarification.  It would be 7:00 pm Central Time
for any who are interested.  

 

Thanks and Hag Samach to you and all,

 

Betty/Elisheva  (Mom to you!!)

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of kim alvarado
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 11:09 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] FW: Fast of Esther

 

I copied and pasted the Psalms listed into the attached word document.  Is
it twelve our time or Israeli time?

Kim

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:

Dear friends,

As you know Purim is coming up this coming Thursday evening and it is
customary to fast on Thursday during the day prior to the Purim festivities
which commemorate the defeat of the evil Hamen who stands for Amalek who is
ever present with us.  I received this email from my friend, Barbara, who
forwarded this call to recite Psalms during this special Fast of Ester.  It
is not just for the ladies.  Please join in if you feel so led.

Love,

Betty/Elisheva

 

-I got this message today from Tzfat, Israel. I thought all of you ladies 

whom I'm sending this to may want to join in reciting the Psalms on Thursday


(Fast of Esther) for Israel. Repentenance, prayer, and fasting (along with 

tzedakah) are the Torah's antidote for fighting Amalek past and present.

    Barbara 

 

TEHILLIM ON TA'ANIT ESTER:

Rebbetzin Kanievsky has put out a call for all women to recite Tehillim 

(Psalms) on

Ta'anit Esther (Thursday-Fast of Esther) for Klal Yisrael (all Israel), 

given the terrible troubles (lo alenu) that

have come to our people. The following Tehillim should be recited at 12:00

exactly this Thursday: 22,28, 32,79, and 92. And everyone should try to take


upon

themselves to continue to say these Tehillim everyday afterwards, bli neder.

 

 


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From bkgivin at charter.net  Wed Mar 19 23:57:54 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:57:54 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] FW:  Largest Solidarity Rally for Israel tomorrow,
	afternoon on Purim!
Message-ID: <005101c88a46$f58f6b60$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Here is another Solidarity Rally being held for Israel on Purim in case some
of you are unable to do the evening one.  The live internet broadcast link
is below. Just passing it on!  I think all of this is great!  

 

BTW, thanks Kim for the Word doc of the Psalms to recite at 7pm tomorrow
evening.

 

B'Simcha (with joy!)

 

Betty/Elisheva


Join Us or Logon For The Largest Ever 


Online Solidarity Rally For Israel on Purim! 


Together4Israel, a project of the One Family Fund, is putting together the
largest ever online rally in support of those living under fire in Israel.
The Jewish Federation of San Antonio is making the broadcast available so
members of our local Jewish community can join together to watch this unique
event.

 

Please join us to watch a live broadcast online of solidarity rallies from
around the world.


Thursday, March 20, 2008
   3:45 pm 


CAMPUS OF THE SAN ANTONIO JEWISH COMMUNITY


12500 NW MILITARY HIGHWAY


(check for the room location when you arrive at the Campus)


A brief memorial service to Victims of Terror will


precede the Solidarity Rally broadcast.


If you cannot join us for the broadcast but want to view it online please
visit  <http://www.together4israel.org/> www.together4israel.org
beginning at 4:00 p.m. CDT on Thursday, March 20.


 

 

 

 

 

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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Thu Mar 20 03:58:13 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:58:13 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] chaos theory and our Purim prayers for Israel
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From ram1500_man at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 20 06:34:40 2008
From: ram1500_man at yahoo.com (Paul-Eugene Miller)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:34:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] chaos theory and our Purim prayers for Israel
In-Reply-To: <200803200858.m2K8w4Hu015544@pmail2540.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <507058.56061.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steve, Thanks for sharing...we need a reminder from time to time. In my reading and prayer time this morning I came across the following from the prophet Isaiah.
   
  "The sons of those who afflicted you shall come bending low to you, and all those who despised you shall bow down at your feet, they shall call you the City of YHWH, the Zion of the Holy One of Israel. Whereas you have been forsaken and hated, so that no man passed through you, I will make you [Jerusalem] an eternal glory, a joy fromage to age. You shall suck the milk of the nations and shall suck the breasts of kings; and you shall recognize [and] know that I, YHWH, am your Saviour and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob. Your people also shall all be righteous; they shall possess the land forever, the branch of My planting, the work of My hands, that I may be glorified. The least one shall become a thousand, and the small one a strong nation. I, YHWH, will hasten it in its appointed time."
  Isaiah 60:14-16, 21-22   [emphasis mine]
   
  Let us not lose hope. Esther stood strong in the midst of extreme pressure and persecution. Remeber, those that endure to the end, they shall be saved!
  Have an awesome day, ya'll.
  Paul
   
  

Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com> wrote:
  Friends, 

I know that this Purim and the fast day before Purim, we will all pray for deliverance of Israel.  Also, some of us may be daunted by the seemingly hopeless situations we are in both in the Land and in the lands of the Ten Tribes. While we know that in the fullness of time ultimately we will be redeemed by our G-d, our chaotic state when viewed with our human frailties can be discouraging and trying. This sure-fire expectations we all know, is coexistent with our view of the world and our sometimes less-than-hopeful expectations of what our "little random prayers" can possibly avail. The former expectation can be likened to the older consensus of Western scientific opinion that the whole world functioned like a huge clockwork mechanism whose laws were only waiting to be deciphered step by step. 

What is now accepted is that strict determinism and apparently random accidental minor developments are not mutually exclusive, but rather coexist in nature. This is a new conclusion reached upon the development of chaos theory and proves the older Western science wrong.  Though chaos theory is not entirely understood, we have come to know lately that sometimes an extremely small input into a large system can have an extremely large effect even when the likelihood of that is not expected according to older scientific assessments of possibilities. 

Of course, G-d can do anything He wants, yet this new scientific outlook can embolden our human expectations that the G-d of Israel listens and gives us "a small part" which we can use at random to influence "sure-fire trends."  Be it "small" prayers or needed actions, they can become major factors that can radically change the popularly expected dynamics of history.  Though our purpose in being called to be among the "early risers" from the Valley of Dry Bones may not be entirely clear, it is safe to say, that one of our tasks is to intercede for the rest of us, who are not yet awakened to who they are,..... and who may be facing destruction.   

Mordechai told Esther that her fate was tied to that of all Jews and her station would not guarantee escaping the planned disaster for all Jews.  Further, if she did not do anything, a sure-fire deliverance would arise from another place, for that was part of the Divine plan's clockwork.  She was admonished, "For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then will relief and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place, but thou and thy father's house will perish; and who knoweth whether thou art not come to royal estate for such a time as this?"  (Esther 4:14).   Who knows, whether we are called to form the first contingent from the Valley of Dry Bones for this very purpose, for such a time as this, to intercede for the rest of Israel?

May you all have a meaningful fast and Purim experience, 

Steve 
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 20 08:51:27 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:51:27 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] chaos theory and our Purim prayers for Israel
Message-ID: <BLU125-W404AE04866A3F87329D6CABA000@phx.gbl>


How wonderful that science is catching on to HaShem's secret weapon, the "Chaos Theory,", by which great evil may be overcome with the fervent, effectual prayers of a few!  May we "Early Risers" KNOW, beyond the shadow of doubt, that as we join hands and heart before the Throne of the Almighty, our prayers can and will prevail with G-d, the Creator and Orchestrator of the Chaos Theory. 
 
Thank you so much, Steve,
 
Pat


Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:58:13 -0700To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgFrom: eliasaph at uniteourheart.comSubject: [Dialogue] chaos theory and our Purim prayers for IsraelFriends, I know that this Purim and the fast day before Purim, we will all pray for deliverance of Israel.  Also, some of us may be daunted by the seemingly hopeless situations we are in both in the Land and in the lands of the Ten Tribes. While we know that in the fullness of time ultimately we will be redeemed by our G-d, our chaotic state when viewed with our human frailties can be discouraging and trying. This sure-fire expectations we all know, is coexistent with our view of the world and our sometimes less-than-hopeful expectations of what our "little random prayers" can possibly avail. The former expectation can be likened to the older consensus of Western scientific opinion that the whole world functioned like a huge clockwork mechanism whose laws were only waiting to be deciphered step by step. What is now accepted is that strict determinism and apparently random accidental minor developments are not mutually exclusive, but rather coexist in nature. This is a new conclusion reached upon the development of chaos theory and proves the older Western science wrong.  Though chaos theory is not entirely understood, we have come to know lately that sometimes an extremely small input into a large system can have an extremely large effect even when the likelihood of that is not expected according to older scientific assessments of possibilities. Of course, G-d can do anything He wants, yet this new scientific outlook can embolden our human expectations that the G-d of Israel listens and gives us "a small part" which we can use at random to influence "sure-fire trends."  Be it "small" prayers or needed actions, they can become major factors that can radically change the popularly expected dynamics of history.  Though our purpose in being called to be among the "early risers" from the Valley of Dry Bones may not be entirely clear, it is safe to say, that one of our tasks is to intercede for the rest of us, who are not yet awakened to who they are,..... and who may be facing destruction.   Mordechai told Esther that her fate was tied to that of all Jews and her station would not guarantee escaping the planned disaster for all Jews.  Further, if she did not do anything, a sure-fire deliverance would arise from another place, for that was part of the Divine plan's clockwork.  She was admonished, "For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then will relief and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place, but thou and thy father's house will perish; and who knoweth whether thou art not come to royal estate for such a time as this?"  (Esther 4:14).   Who knows, whether we are called to form the first contingent from the Valley of Dry Bones for this very purpose, for such a time as this, to intercede for the rest of Israel?May you all have a meaningful fast and Purim experience, Steve 
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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 20 10:11:39 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:11:39 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: Fast of Esther
In-Reply-To: <004101c88a45$d4fb13a0$643c66c9@bettygivin>
References: <1c8dbb6e0803180909g1b14f571o4381e07c25bbb99d@mail.gmail.com>
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Okay, thank you...7:00 p.m.

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From loyb at prodigy.net  Thu Mar 20 10:45:51 2008
From: loyb at prodigy.net (Loy)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:45:51 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] chaos theory and our Purim prayers for Israel
References: <507058.56061.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <098c01c88aa1$7a5b7140$de86fea9@loyc30e02e1325>

Steve and Paul,  

 Your posts are beautifully spoken!  May your words come to pass!  

 May we all have an easy fast. 
 Shalom and Chag Samaich to all my new friends!   Leorah
  ----- Message ----- 
  From: Paul-Eugene Miller 
  To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
  Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [Dialogue] chaos theory and our Purim prayers for Israel


  Steve, Thanks for sharing...we need a reminder from time to time. In my reading and prayer time this morning I came across the following from the prophet Isaiah.

  "The sons of those who afflicted you shall come bending low to you, and all those who despised you shall bow down at your feet, they shall call you the City of YHWH, the Zion of the Holy One of Israel. Whereas you have been forsaken and hated, so that no man passed through you, I will make you [Jerusalem] an eternal glory, a joy fromage to age. You shall suck the milk of the nations and shall suck the breasts of kings; and you shall recognize [and] know that I, YHWH, am your Saviour and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob. Your people also shall all be righteous; they shall possess the land forever, the branch of My planting, the work of My hands, that I may be glorified. The least one shall become a thousand, and the small one a strong nation. I, YHWH, will hasten it in its appointed time."
  Isaiah 60:14-16, 21-22   [emphasis mine]

  Let us not lose hope. Esther stood strong in the midst of extreme pressure and persecution. Remeber, those that endure to the end, they shall be saved!
  Have an awesome day, ya'll.
  Paul



  Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com> wrote:
    Friends, 

    I know that this Purim and the fast day before Purim, we will all pray for deliverance of Israel.  Also, some of us may be daunted by the seemingly hopeless situations we are in both in the Land and in the lands of the Ten Tribes. While we know that in the fullness of time ultimately we will be redeemed by our G-d, our chaotic state when viewed with our human frailties can be discouraging and trying. This sure-fire expectations we all know, is coexistent with our view of the world and our sometimes less-than-hopeful expectations of what our "little random prayers" can possibly avail. The former expectation can be likened to the older consensus of Western scientific opinion that the whole world functioned like a huge clockwork mechanism whose laws were only waiting to be deciphered step by step. 

    What is now accepted is that strict determinism and apparently random accidental minor developments are not mutually exclusive, but rather coexist in nature. This is a new conclusion reached upon the development of chaos theory and proves the older Western science wrong.  Though chaos theory is not entirely understood, we have come to know lately that sometimes an extremely small input into a large system can have an extremely large effect even when the likelihood of that is not expected according to older scientific assessments of possibilities. 

    Of course, G-d can do anything He wants, yet this new scientific outlook can embolden our human expectations that the G-d of Israel listens and gives us "a small part" which we can use at random to influence "sure-fire trends."  Be it "small" prayers or needed actions, they can become major factors that can radically change the popularly expected dynamics of history.  Though our purpose in being called to be among the "early risers" from the Valley of Dry Bones may not be entirely clear, it is safe to say, that one of our tasks is to intercede for the rest of us, who are not yet awakened to who they are,..... and who may be facing destruction.   

    Mordechai told Esther that her fate was tied to that of all Jews and her station would not guarantee escaping the planned disaster for all Jews.  Further, if she did not do anything, a sure-fire deliverance would arise from another place, for that was part of the Divine plan's clockwork.  She was admonished, "For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then will relief and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place, but thou and thy father's house will perish; and who knoweth whether thou art not come to royal estate for such a time as this?"  (Esther 4:14).   Who knows, whether we are called to form the first contingent from the Valley of Dry Bones for this very purpose, for such a time as this, to intercede for the rest of Israel?

    May you all have a meaningful fast and Purim experience, 

    Steve 
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From loyb at prodigy.net  Thu Mar 20 11:51:50 2008
From: loyb at prodigy.net (Loy)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:51:50 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] two links for discussion
References: <200803160644.m2G6ikEf027072@mail124c25.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <0a6c01c88aaa$b22dab70$de86fea9@loyc30e02e1325>

Steve,  I thoroughly enjoyed Dov's "take" on Gog W Bush even tho I have always been a Republican....but no more.   Independent is all I can align myself to at this point.  

 May HaShem's will be done, now and always!   Leorah
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  From: Steve Mathe 
  To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
  Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:44 AM
  Subject: [Dialogue] two links for discussion


  Friends, 
  Here are a couple of links to stir your blood and plenty of items for discussion.

  http://yearsofawe.blogspot.com

  http://www.machonshilo.org 

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From rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 20 12:08:04 2008
From: rudolphricciardi at sbcglobal.net (Rudolph Ricciardi)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:08:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] chaos theory and our Purim prayers for Israel
In-Reply-To: <507058.56061.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <298691.53017.qm@web83312.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Shalom to ALl,
     Thanks be to G-d for His word filled with promises of the salvaton of His people and His Holy City. Let us not forget that bad things do happen which we could never figure out the "whys" to, and for the  many who have no clue Who the G-d of the bible is, the G-d of Israel, and probably think they don't need to right now, we must realize that they will be hit with a very hard blow when reality strikes due to hardship across the globe.  These need our prayers, for many of them may be our families or friends, or people we work with, and very good people  at that.  We have the Word and have been building our faith muscles to withstand whatever comes.  Those people will be in shock with nowhere to turn. Can you imagine people with no faith and no hope in a global disaster of any kind.  We saw some at the time of Katrina and heard of it concerning the economic collapse of 1929. There may be much worse on the horizon.  That is not "doomsday" talk.  It is a reality we must be
 aware of to prepare others and perhaps soften the blow. Planting a seed that there is trouble brewing and only HaShem can help to people without G-d may save some in the end, spiritually and physically.  Yes, we all know G-d is greater than the plan of man.  I don't think that everytime something negative comes up on the list about the world situation, the world without Torah which is the real problem there is chaos, I don't think we have  we have to keep being reminded of the promises of G-d. Bible believers know this.  Before the salvation of Israel and G-d's people, there's going to be some heavy stuff going down, and that's straight out of the prophets!  There should be no "sweeping it under the rug" .We believers and truth seekers are not the only people on this planet.  We need to get out of out little comfortable, ticky-tacky world and reach out to the truly lost souls who never read a bible in their lives.  THEY MATTER to HaShem and should to all of us.  It's not
 only about numbers  of tribes returning.  HaShem has total control over that. It's about us doing our part that ALL religions failed to do...to reach the lost who right now don't know they have a need.  They are those working on the 5000 sq. ft plus house and the two new cars in the driveway and their kids having $100 plus sneakers, designer jeans and their rooms filled with high-tech toys. I see them every day. These people don't know about the Sabbath sign and doing mitvot...they don't know how to hang on to G-d when their world is being shattered. One might say it's their own fault for not wanting to seek G-d and have Him guide their lives, but when someone says he is hungry, you don't ask him "WHY", you just feed him.
    HaShem has given me an extreme burden for these.  I pray the truth reaches this multitude before it's too late.
    I pray HIs Truth shall be a sheild and buckler for All Israel and All peoples today.
LInda (Hadassah)
  
Paul-Eugene Miller <ram1500_man at yahoo.com> wrote:
    Steve, Thanks for sharing...we need a reminder from time to time. In my reading and prayer time this morning I came across the following from the prophet Isaiah.
   
  "The sons of those who afflicted you shall come bending low to you, and all those who despised you shall bow down at your feet, they shall call you the City of YHWH, the Zion of the Holy One of Israel. Whereas you have been forsaken and hated, so that no man passed through you, I will make you [Jerusalem] an eternal glory, a joy fromage to age. You shall suck the milk of the nations and shall suck the breasts of kings; and you shall recognize [and] know that I, YHWH, am your Saviour and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob. Your people also shall all be righteous; they shall possess the land forever, the branch of My planting, the work of My hands, that I may be glorified. The least one shall become a thousand, and the small one a strong nation. I, YHWH, will hasten it in its appointed time."
  Isaiah 60:14-16, 21-22   [emphasis mine]
   
  Let us not lose hope. Esther stood strong in the midst of extreme pressure and persecution. Remeber, those that endure to the end, they shall be saved!
  Have an awesome day, ya'll.
  Paul
   
  

Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com> wrote:
  Friends, 

I know that this Purim and the fast day before Purim, we will all pray for deliverance of Israel.  Also, some of us may be daunted by the seemingly hopeless situations we are in both in the Land and in the lands of the Ten Tribes. While we know that in the fullness of time ultimately we will be redeemed by our G-d, our chaotic state when viewed with our human frailties can be discouraging and trying. This sure-fire expectations we all know, is coexistent with our view of the world and our sometimes less-than-hopeful expectations of what our "little random prayers" can possibly avail. The former expectation can be likened to the older consensus of Western scientific opinion that the whole world functioned like a huge clockwork mechanism whose laws were only waiting to be deciphered step by step. 

What is now accepted is that strict determinism and apparently random accidental minor developments are not mutually exclusive, but rather coexist in nature. This is a new conclusion reached upon the development of chaos theory and proves the older Western science wrong.  Though chaos theory is not entirely understood, we have come to know lately that sometimes an extremely small input into a large system can have an extremely large effect even when the likelihood of that is not expected according to older scientific assessments of possibilities. 

Of course, G-d can do anything He wants, yet this new scientific outlook can embolden our human expectations that the G-d of Israel listens and gives us "a small part" which we can use at random to influence "sure-fire trends."  Be it "small" prayers or needed actions, they can become major factors that can radically change the popularly expected dynamics of history.  Though our purpose in being called to be among the "early risers" from the Valley of Dry Bones may not be entirely clear, it is safe to say, that one of our tasks is to intercede for the rest of us, who are not yet awakened to who they are,..... and who may be facing destruction.   

Mordechai told Esther that her fate was tied to that of all Jews and her station would not guarantee escaping the planned disaster for all Jews.  Further, if she did not do anything, a sure-fire deliverance would arise from another place, for that was part of the Divine plan's clockwork.  She was admonished, "For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then will relief and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place, but thou and thy father's house will perish; and who knoweth whether thou art not come to royal estate for such a time as this?"  (Esther 4:14).   Who knows, whether we are called to form the first contingent from the Valley of Dry Bones for this very purpose, for such a time as this, to intercede for the rest of Israel?

May you all have a meaningful fast and Purim experience, 

Steve 
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  Cell: 740.504.2612 



>From the fruit of his words a man shall be satisfied with good, and the work of a man's hands shall come back to him as a harvest. 
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 21 08:54:58 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:54:58 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Brit-Am Ephramite Appeal to US Government!
Message-ID: <BLU125-W2349B415763C6EA301EF39BA010@phx.gbl>


Brit-Am Ephraimite Appeal to US Government and other Western PowersWe feel that Ephraimites in the West and especially in the USA should make an appeal along the following lines:To the US President, Government officials and Representatives, etc. and to Government Leaders in the WestOur forefathers founded this nation and determined its character and guiding principles.Despite the fact that we have opened our doors to other peoples and accorded them equalrights of citizenship as ourselves we still should merit to be heard on fundamental matters concerningthe destiny of our nation.Even today many, if not most, of the leading figures of our nation in all fields of public and private enterprisecome from our ranks.The same applies to other Western Nations such as the UK, Eire, Switzerland, France, Belgium, Holland,Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.All other European Nations as well as several outside of Europe have also been blessed by our presence.Based on Biblical Prophecy supplemented by secular studies we believe we are descended from the LostTen Tribes of Israel.The Jews of Judah in the Diaspora and in the State of Israel are our fellow Israelites.The State of Israel is the beginning of REDEMPTION for all of us.The security and well-being of The State of Israel is vital for all of us.The areas of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), as well as the Sinai, and Gazashould be firmly under the control of the State of Israel and Jewish settlement strongly encouraged in these regions.Steps should be taken to find an alternative place of abode for all the Palestinian Arab population.So too, our governments should take steps to establish enclaves under Western Control in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Cyprus.We, the 'Ephraimite' populations, should be encouraged to settle in these enclaves, develop them,and link them to the State of Israel.One of the aims of these enclaves will be to heal the land and place it on a sounder ecological baseby preventing soil erosion and taking steps to increase and improve the regional water supply throughre-afforestation and related measures.Our impression is that if such steps were taken a blessing would come on all our peoples and all the world.The blessing would be felt not only in the spiritual sense but also economically and physically.Brit-Am would like with the help of its subscribers to expand on the abovedeveloping it into a full-sized article that would be advertised prominently on the Brit-Am web-site and wherever else possible.The main themes as we see it should be:Public Recognition of Israelite AncestrySupport for the Jewish State of Israel including an Expansion of SettlementTransport of the Palestinians Elsewhere[for notes and articles on the subject of transferring the Palestinians see:Movement of Arab Populations (MAP)http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesMAP.html ]The Establishment of Ephraimite Enclaves connected to the State of Israel in neighboring regions.. 
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From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com  Fri Mar 21 10:47:35 2008
From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:47:35 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Taxi
Message-ID: <E72BEFD5B262436CB705355B075D4324@DickLPC>

I checked with Doubletree and they do not provide a shuttle service from the Airport.    They told me to go to Zone A for taxi service. About a 15 to 20 min drive.
    If we post our arrival times, some may be able to get together for the ride.

     Dick L    ------I will know mine tomorrow & post here.
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From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 21 11:59:20 2008
From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:59:20 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Transportation from the Airport for April UIWU Meeting
Message-ID: <F1510647-E696-4738-B5A7-562A00A4417B@earthlink.net>

Dick and others have asked about how to get from the airport to the  
Doubletree Hotel. This hotel is much closer to the airport than our  
UIWU building and the hotel where we have met in the past, so taking a  
cab is feasible, though still not cheap. Charlotte is just not a "cab  
town" in the way other large cities are. We can also try to arrange  
some rides for those coming as I think some are driving in and have  
cars and might be willing to help, such as Timothy Thompson, and  
others might be renting cars. What might be good is if those of you  
flying would send me and Timothy your arrival times and we will see  
what we might work out. Also, anyone driving who wants to volunteer to  
do some airport runs.

Either way, we will work things out...

Shabbat Shalom and Chag Sameach,

James


From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Fri Mar 21 13:53:39 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:53:39 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Psalm 80 for Purim and Shabbat Tzav
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From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com  Sat Mar 22 11:31:17 2008
From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:31:17 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Taxi
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dick L 
  Cc: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 11:47 AM
  Subject: [Dialogue] Taxi


  I checked with Doubletree and they do not provide a shuttle service from the Airport.    They told me to go to Zone A for taxi service. About a 15 to 20 min drive.
      If we post our arrival times, some may be able to get together for the ride.

       Dick L    ------I should arrive around 10:30 AM.  Then getting lost, finding luggage,ect, should take another 1/2 hr or so.


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From loyb at prodigy.net  Sat Mar 22 11:59:17 2008
From: loyb at prodigy.net (Loy)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:59:17 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Taxi
References: <E72BEFD5B262436CB705355B075D4324@DickLPC>
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HI DICK,  WHICH DAY ARE YOU COMING IN?   FRIDAY?  LOY

    I checked with Doubletree and they do not provide a shuttle service from the Airport.    They told me to go to Zone A for taxi service. About a 15 to 20 min drive.
        If we post our arrival times, some may be able to get together for the ride.

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From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com  Sun Mar 23 15:02:08 2008
From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:02:08 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Taxi
In-Reply-To: <001301c88c3e$14a41de0$de86fea9@loyc30e02e1325>
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Yes Loy, Friday !  Dick L
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  HI DICK,  WHICH DAY ARE YOU COMING IN?   FRIDAY?  LOY

      I checked with Doubletree and they do not provide a shuttle service from the Airport.    They told me to go to Zone A for taxi service. About a 15 to 20 min drive.
          If we post our arrival times, some may be able to get together for the ride.

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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 23 20:38:40 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:38:40 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] So interesting, Ross ~
Message-ID: <BLU125-W20D47F1FF4EFAEF8673217BAFD0@phx.gbl>


I love your classes, Ross.  They are not only interesting, but exciting!   You are excavating down through the many layers of the ages.  You are sifting through what you unearth, and separating that which has value from that which is worthless.  
 
I think I'm becoming hooked on your broadcasts!  It's like looking forward to a mini-series that draws you in and keeps you guessing.  You can't wait to find out what next week's program will bring.
 
Thank you for your diligence.
 
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From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 27 09:20:07 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:20:07 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: URGENT ACTION ALERT - To Support Jewish & Christian
	Refugee House Resolution
In-Reply-To: <20080327014421.26261.qmail@u15178117.onlinehome-server.com>
References: <20080327014421.26261.qmail@u15178117.onlinehome-server.com>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0803270720m4745aca6sa5b5779a0213c62e@mail.gmail.com>

In case everyone does not receive these emails:

Kim

On 26 Mar 2008 20:44:21 -0500, UCI <voices at israelunitycoalition.org> wrote:

>  [image: Unity Coalition for Israel]
>
> We are in complete accord with House Resolution 185 that calls attention
> to the fact that Jews, Christians and other minorities living in Arab
> countries suffered human rights violations after 1948 when Israel became a
> nation. They were driven out of their homes, lost their possessions and
> became refugees. The Resolution asks the President to ensure that all
> international forums when the issue of "Middle East refugees" is discussed
> U.S. representatives will make explicit reference to Jewish, Christian and
> other refugees.
>
> On February 27, 2008 in a unanimous bi-partisan decision, the House
> Foreign Affairs Committee approved H.R. 185 recognizing the plight and
> flight of over 850,000 Jews from Arab countries. Many Christians and other
> minority groups were also forced out of their homes.
>
> *Next Monday March 31, 2008 the Resolution is going for a full and final
> vote in the House of Representatives. * It is important for Members of
> Congress to know that an overwhelming number of Americans support this
> Resolution.
>
> The Resolution was spearheaded by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (NY-D) along with
> Rep. Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-R), Rep. Michael Ferguson (NJ-R) and Rep.
> Joseph Crowley (NY-D).
>
> Your Action Alert will be sent to Members of the House Committee on
> Foreign Affairs, Rep. Howard L. Berman (CA-D), Chairman, and Rep. Illeana
> Ros-Lehtinen (FL-R), Ranking Minority Member, with copies to President Bush,
> Vice President Cheney and Secretary of State Rice.
>
> Read full text of Resolution 185<http://www.israelunitycoalition.org/news/article.php?id=2503>
>
> *Please read the sample letter below. It is a letter you can send as is
> with one click (SEND URGENT ACTION ALERT) or you may modify the text as you
> wish.*
>
> To: House Committee on Foreign Affairs
> Attn: Rep. Howard L. Berman (CA-D), Chairman, and Rep. Illeana
> Ros-Lehtinen (FL-R), Ranking Minority Member
>
> I thank the members of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs for their
> unanimous passage of H.R. 185 last February. When the full house votes on
> this Resolution next Monday, March 31st, it is my hope that the vote will
> again be unanimous. This Resolution addresses a great injustice perpetrated
> against the Jews, Christians and other minorities who were expelled from
> Arab lands shortly after the U.N. voted in May of 1948 to create the State
> of Israel. This long neglected issue will be addressed with a full vote of
> the U.S. House of Representatives this Monday.
>
> Soon after the re-birth of Israel in 1948, Jews and Christians were
> expelled from their ancestral homes throughout the Arab world and were
> forced to leave behind all their possessions. Their fate was soon forgotten,
> as world humanitarian organizations aided other refugees of World War II,
> Vietnam, Korea, and the Arab refugees of the Middle East. The Jewish and
> Christian refugees were overlooked despite the fact that there is
> documentation of both communities residing in the Middle East and North
> Africa that predates the Moslems, who arrived in these lands in the 7th
> century CE.
>
> Jewish, Christian, Moslem and minority populations should have the same
> refugee status as stated in this Resolution.
>
> I appreciate the House of Representatives recognizing the validity and
> moral equivalence of the claims of all refugees expelled from Arab lands.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Signed __________________
>
> SEND URGENT ACTION ALERT<http://www.israelunitycoalition.org/aa/alert.php?id=22>
>
>
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From ROSS.NICHOLS at GAPAC.com  Thu Mar 27 10:26:15 2008
From: ROSS.NICHOLS at GAPAC.com (Nichols, Ross K.)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:26:15 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] New Bible
Message-ID: <CAFFEC80641E3E4183BF90B0E461D6AC04BB36F7@msgcpla090.srv.gapac.com>

I just purchased the most incredible Bible for myself:-)

 

It is called "A Reader's Hebrew Bible" and is published by Zondervan.
This is absolutely the most valuable tool for those like me, that want
to spend more time in the Hebrew texts but are not quite fluent enough
to totally leave the English behind.

 

It is the Hebrew Bible only (OT).  The work contains the complete text
of the Hebrew and Aramaic Bible using the Westminster Leningrad Codex
(4.4).

 

The footnotes contain glosses of all Hebrew words occurring one hundred
times or less and all Aramaic words occurring 25 times or less. This
means that those of us who have a decent vocabulary, but still get
stumped on the words that are used less frequently can simply follow the
footnote and check for the English translation at the bottom of the
page.

 

Verb forms are also in the footnotes (Stem specific - Qal, Piel, Hiphil
etc)

 

Ketib and Qere readings are both noted in the text and differentiated
appropriately.

 

All proper names occurring one hundred times or less are printed in gray
scale font so that one can immediately identify those less frequent
names as such.

 

The Bible is 6.5 inches X 9.5 inches and 2 inches thick and bound in a
handsome Italian soft Duo-Tone cover with silver page edges.  The font
is nice, large and attractive.  I am so excited about this Bible.  If
you have ever wanted to make the next step towards using the Hebrew
Bible alone, this is the Bible for you. If you are learning Hebrew, this
is a MUST.

 

You can get it from any major bookstore on line.  The cost is only $49!

 

The ISBN is listed two ways:

 

ISBN - 10: 0-310-26974-i

ISBN - 13: 978-0-310-26974-8

 

Run to buy this one if you can!  It is fresh off the press (2008), by A.
Phillip Brown II (PhD, Bob Jones University) and Bryan W. Smith (PhD,
Bob Jones University).  Two Ephraimite boys have advanced the game for
all of us Lost Tribers.

 

Shalom, Ross

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From tmich33 at bellsouth.net  Thu Mar 27 10:55:51 2008
From: tmich33 at bellsouth.net (Tamara Michael)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:55:51 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] New Bible
Message-ID: <032720081555.766.47EBC3870004C823000002FE22230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCCCC080C07039B@att.net>

Ross,
Amazon has them for 31.49 with free shipping. : )
Tammy
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From ram1500_man at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 27 12:49:07 2008
From: ram1500_man at yahoo.com (Paul-Eugene Miller)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:49:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] New Bible
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Thanks, Ross and Tammy, I look forward to get mine.
  Paul

Tamara Michael <tmich33 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
  Ross,
Amazon has them for 31.49 with free shipping. : )
Tammy_______________________________________________



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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Fri Mar 28 00:17:51 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:17:51 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Recommend books
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From rebuntyn at aol.com  Fri Mar 28 10:40:41 2008
From: rebuntyn at aol.com (rebuntyn at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:40:41 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] New Bible
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Ross, please bring your copy to the April meeting so that those who don't have a copy yet can take a look. Thanks, Ralph


-----Original Message-----
From: Nichols, Ross K. <ROSS.NICHOLS at GAPAC.com>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org; uilist at unitedisrael.org
Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:26 am
Subject: [Dialogue] New Bible




I just purchased the most incredible Bible for myselfJ

?

It is called ?A Reader?s Hebrew Bible? and is published by Zondervan. This is absolutely the most valuable tool for those like me, that want to spend more time in the Hebrew texts but are not quite fluent enough to totally leave the English behind.

?

It is the Hebrew Bible only (OT).? The work contains the complete text of the Hebrew and Aramaic Bible using the Westminster Leningrad Codex (4.4).

?

The footnotes contain glosses of all Hebrew words occurring one hundred times or less and all Aramaic words occurring 25 times or less. This means that those of us who have a decent vocabulary, but still get stumped on the words that are used less frequently can simply follow the footnote and check for the English translation at the bottom of the page.

?

Verb forms are also in the footnotes (Stem specific ? Qal, Piel, Hiphil etc)

?

Ketib and Qere readings are both noted in the text and differentiated appropriately.

?

All proper names occurring one hundred times or less are printed in gray scale font so that one can immediately identify those less frequent names as such.

?

The Bible is 6.5 inches X 9.5 inches and 2 inches thick and bound in a handsome Italian soft Duo-Tone cover with silver page edges.? The font is nice, large and attractive.? I am so excited about this Bible.? If you have ever wanted to make the next step towards using the Hebrew Bible alone, this is the Bible for you. If you are learning Hebrew, this is a MUST.

?

You can get it from any major bookstore on line.? The cost is only $49!

?

The ISBN is listed two ways:

?

ISBN ? 10: 0-310-26974-i

ISBN ? 13: 978-0-310-26974-8

?

Run to buy this one if you can! ?It is fresh off the press (2008), by A. Phillip Brown II (PhD, Bob Jones University) and Bryan W. Smith (PhD, Bob Jones University).? Two Ephraimite boys have advanced the game for all of us Lost Tribers.

?

Shalom, Ross




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From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 28 10:42:10 2008
From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:42:10 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] New Bible
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References: <CAFFEC80641E3E4183BF90B0E461D6AC04BB36F7@msgcpla090.srv.gapac.com>
Message-ID: <C8EAE714-D8AB-49A6-B8A5-2DA15ABCD367@earthlink.net>

Dear Ross and all,

Let me add my hearty endorsement to Ross's message below, and I also  
want to copy this to the UIList as some are not on Dialogue.

I have used the Reader's Greek New Testament, which is the equivalent  
concept, for several years now. It is truly a wonderful tool. However,  
with the Hebrew Bible Zondervan and the editors (Brown & Smith) have  
truly outdone themselves. This Bible is beautiful bound, printed, and  
designed, and its concept and content are amazing. It is HEBREW, not  
English, but since all Hebrew words occurring 100 times or less are  
defined for you with a little work you will be on your way.

What I suggest is that you get the Zondervan Vocabulary Builder boxed  
set of Hebrew Vocabulary Cards.  It costs only $18. This is a set of  
1000+ words, taking you way down to all that occur just 30 times or  
more, but if you begin with the most frequent words first, they are  
arranged in that order, you can learn as few as the first 300 cards  
and already be at the level of knowing ALL Hebrew words occurring more  
than 100 times--setting you up to use this new Hebrew Bible and never  
having to look up anything extra! You would be amazed probably at how  
many of these first 300 you already know, but to learn 300 words is  
really not a major task.

James



On Mar 27, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Nichols, Ross K. wrote:

> I just purchased the most incredible Bible for myselfJ
>
> It is called ?A Reader?s Hebrew Bible? and is published by  
> Zondervan. This is absolutely the most valuable tool for those like  
> me, that want to spend more time in the Hebrew texts but are not  
> quite fluent enough to totally leave the English behind.
>
> It is the Hebrew Bible only (OT).  The work contains the complete  
> text of the Hebrew and Aramaic Bible using the Westminster Leningrad  
> Codex (4.4).
>
> The footnotes contain glosses of all Hebrew words occurring one  
> hundred times or less and all Aramaic words occurring 25 times or  
> less. This means that those of us who have a decent vocabulary, but  
> still get stumped on the words that are used less frequently can  
> simply follow the footnote and check for the English translation at  
> the bottom of the page.
>
> Verb forms are also in the footnotes (Stem specific ? Qal, Piel,  
> Hiphil etc)
>
> Ketib and Qere readings are both noted in the text and  
> differentiated appropriately.
>
> All proper names occurring one hundred times or less are printed in  
> gray scale font so that one can immediately identify those less  
> frequent names as such.
>
> The Bible is 6.5 inches X 9.5 inches and 2 inches thick and bound in  
> a handsome Italian soft Duo-Tone cover with silver page edges.  The  
> font is nice, large and attractive.  I am so excited about this  
> Bible.  If you have ever wanted to make the next step towards using  
> the Hebrew Bible alone, this is the Bible for you. If you are  
> learning Hebrew, this is a MUST.
>
> You can get it from any major bookstore on line.  The cost is only  
> $49!
>
> The ISBN is listed two ways:
>
> ISBN ? 10: 0-310-26974-i
> ISBN ? 13: 978-0-310-26974-8
>
> Run to buy this one if you can!  It is fresh off the press (2008),  
> by A. Phillip Brown II (PhD, Bob Jones University) and Bryan W.  
> Smith (PhD, Bob Jones University).  Two Ephraimite boys have  
> advanced the game for all of us Lost Tribers.
>
> Shalom, Ross
> _______________________________________________

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From rndavar at aol.com  Fri Mar 28 12:11:13 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?Um9zcyBOaWNob2xz?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:11:13 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] New Bible
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References: <CAFFEC80641E3E4183BF90B0E461D6AC04BB36F7@msgcpla090.srv.gapac.com><C8EAE714-D8AB-49A6-B8A5-2DA15ABCD367@earthlink.net>
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Both of these items are available on my website (the Bible and the vocabulary cards through links to Amazon). I also have other books on my book page on my site. For those that do not have the funds, please go to my website and download my vocabulary book. It is in PDF and is free. This book contains the top 1,ooo words used in the Hebrew bible. There are other documents on my Hebrew page if you are interested.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: James Tabor <jamesdtabor at earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:42:10 
To:dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Cc:UI List <uilist at unitedisrael.org>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] New Bible


Dear Ross and all,


Let me add my hearty endorsement to Ross's message below, and I also want to copy this to the UIList as some are not on Dialogue.


I have used the Reader's Greek New Testament, which is the equivalent concept, for several years now. It is truly a wonderful tool. However, with the Hebrew Bible Zondervan and the editors (Brown & Smith) have truly outdone themselves. This Bible is beautiful bound, printed, and designed, and its concept and content are amazing. It is HEBREW, not English, but since all Hebrew words?occurring?100 times or less are defined for you with a little work you will be on your way.


What I suggest is that you get the Zondervan Vocabulary Builder boxed set of Hebrew Vocabulary Cards. ?It costs only $18. This is a set of 1000+ words, taking you way down to all that occur just 30 times or more, but if you begin with the most frequent words first, they are arranged in that order, you can learn as few as the first 300 cards and already be at the level of knowing ALL Hebrew words occurring more than 100 times--setting you up to use this new Hebrew Bible and never having to look up anything extra! You would be amazed probably at how many of these first 300 you already know, but to learn 300 words is really not a major task.


James






On Mar 27, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Nichols, Ross K. wrote:_______________________________________________


From rndavar at aol.com  Fri Mar 28 12:15:10 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?Um9zcyBOaWNob2xz?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:15:10 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] New Bible
In-Reply-To: <8CA5F0136B0646F-1074-A6D@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAFFEC80641E3E4183BF90B0E461D6AC04BB36F7@msgcpla090.srv.gapac.com><8CA5F0136B0646F-1074-A6D@webmailbeta-m07.sysops.aol.com>
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I carry this Bible to the grocery store so I assure I will have it with me at the conference. Can't wait to see all of you. 
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: rebuntyn at aol.com

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:40:41 
To:dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] New Bible


Ross, please bring your copy to the April meeting so that those who don't have a copy yet can take a look. Thanks, Ralph
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Nichols, Ross K. <ROSS.NICHOLS at GAPAC.com>
 To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org; uilist at unitedisrael.org
 Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:26 am
 Subject: [Dialogue] New Bible
 
 
 
 
I just purchased the most incredible Bible for myselfJ 
? 
It is called ?A Reader?s Hebrew Bible? and is published by Zondervan. This is absolutely the most valuable tool for those like me, that want to spend more time in the Hebrew texts but are not quite fluent enough to totally leave the English behind. 
? 
It is the Hebrew Bible only (OT).? The work contains the complete text of the Hebrew and Aramaic Bible using the Westminster Leningrad Codex (4.4). 
? 
The footnotes contain glosses of all Hebrew words occurring one hundred times or less and all Aramaic words occurring 25 times or less. This means that those of us who have a decent vocabulary, but still get stumped on the words that are used less frequently can simply follow the footnote and check for the English translation at the bottom of the page. 
? 
Verb forms are also in the footnotes (Stem specific ? Qal, Piel, Hiphil etc) 
? 
Ketib and Qere readings are both noted in the text and differentiated appropriately. 
? 
All proper names occurring one hundred times or less are printed in gray scale font so that one can immediately identify those less frequent names as such. 
? 
The Bible is 6.5 inches X 9.5 inches and 2 inches thick and bound in a handsome Italian soft Duo-Tone cover with silver page edges.? The font is nice, large and attractive.? I am so excited about this Bible.? If you have ever wanted to make the next step towards using the Hebrew Bible alone, this is the Bible for you. If you are learning Hebrew, this is a MUST. 
? 
You can get it from any major bookstore on line.? The cost is only $49! 
? 
The ISBN is listed two ways: 
? 
ISBN ? 10: 0-310-26974-i 
ISBN ? 13: 978-0-310-26974-8 
? 
Run to buy this one if you can! ?It is fresh off the press (2008), by A. Phillip Brown II (PhD, Bob Jones University) and Bryan W. Smith (PhD, Bob Jones University).? Two Ephraimite boys have advanced the game for all of us Lost Tribers. 
? 
Shalom, Ross 
_______________________________________________ 

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From smathe at dslextreme.com  Fri Mar 28 15:55:40 2008
From: smathe at dslextreme.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:55:40 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Looking for Hebrew Gospel studies
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From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com  Fri Mar 28 18:18:41 2008
From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:18:41 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Recommend books
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I guess I'm a simple person yet have a great interest in what is happening in this world concerning Israel and what we can do to educate others concerning G-d s chosen.  I thought we had a Bible going that would do this simple thing.  Could you all just think for a moment-------- that the rest of the world mainly Christians, do not know what the word Torah is????  Who is Yeshua??    What the Torah means to ALL all of the Jewish people 2000 yrs ago?  
           This group --is  ahead of those who live in there world of ignorance of Jesus times. Even if many are beginning to come around & actually think and try to understand, they have nothing to sustain them or give them a truthful way to study.
      I think we, with the accumulative knowledge we have,should at least try to pass on what we know. But most of all, in my limited understanding would like to see James Bible ( Our James)  out there NOW. It's Possible that many may really want to understand---??    Dick L
          
  Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 1:17 AM
  Subject: [Dialogue] Recommend books


  Friends, 

  Ross has recommended us a new Hebrew Bible just published. Thank you Ross.  Am wondering, what other books do some of you recommend for those on this path of being called to Abrahamic Faith.  Of course there are some "musts" in Biblical studies.  Some may want to mention books for those who are new, for those who will be new, and for those of us, who may have big gaps in acquaintance with basic Bible study tools, and some "good old, workhorses."    Then there are those books that especially spoke to you in your calling. Feel free to mention some from both categories.

  For general Bible Study of the meaning of Hebrew and Aramaic words, I recommend the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, (TWOT) two volumes, by R. Laird Harris, Gleason L. Archer and Bruce K. Waltke, Moody Press, 1980.  It is geared to Strong's numbers, which it correlates to its own numbering system. At first I thought it was going to be a traditional Christian exposition of doctrines based on certain words.  However, it is not so. Forty Evangelical scholars contributed essays for the understanding of the words featured.  The thousand page work goes into in-depth articles on words, their context usage, forms and variants. It is an excellent resource for anyone who wants to understand the underpinnings of Hebrew words and where they are in the text.  It does not cover Biblical names except a few of theological import, e.g. Abraham, Jerusalem, etc.  It is not cheap, but is worth every penny. 

  Steve 


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From rndavar at aol.com  Fri Mar 28 23:06:23 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (rndavar at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:06:23 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Fwd: Free Software Offer!
In-Reply-To: <b269e4fdf918f082ab6a88663ad68d31@www.imsclients.com>
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Some of you may not be on my email list, so I wanted to make sure you saw this note and had an opportunity to get this wonderful offer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Roots of Faith <bulletin at rootsoffaith.org>
To: rndavar at aol.com
Sent: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:15 pm
Subject: Free Software Offer!



Tonight I received a call from my friend Joe Good who informed me of a special software offer. He was kind enough to pass this along to me so that I could make you aware of the offer. Here is the deal....

We only have a short window to act. Below I have pasted a link for you to take advantage of a very special offer. TES (Torah Educational Software) is offering their?acclaimed Word-by-Word ?(Genesis) Bible study tool free to the first 500 people to sign up. My guess is that if you try this out and see what a fantastic tool it is and the quality of the Genesis CD, you will go back and buy the remainder of the Torah from them. Check it out and while you are there, shop around. I have purchased from them before.? The service is very good and their study material is top notch. 

TES is the world's largest developer and distributor of Judaic, Hebrew and Bible educational software. TES maintains tech-support teams in Jerusalem and New York, plus programming and development units in Jerusalem. They develop and distribute programs for ArtScroll, Bar Ilan University and other famous publishers. 
You should at least take the time to look around on the main site (www.jewishsoftware.com). There are many wonderful software items for sale on their site. 

In order to get the free Word-by-Word Genesis you will need to click here.? Don't waste any time.? If you want to read more about this Bible Study Tool, click here.

Remember that this Sunday night (March 30th), I begin a new series on "The Messiah".? Go to my web site for more details.

Shabbat Shalom, Ross


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From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 29 12:03:41 2008
From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:03:41 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] UIWU 65th Anniversary Meeting April 11-13th
Message-ID: <94A697FE-7D83-470D-B75C-9E5E2AA597E0@earthlink.net>

Attached is the latest revised version of our program for our April  
11-13th UIWU meeting here in Charlotte at the Doubletree Hotel in  
SouthPark. There might be a few last minute changes but this is  
getting very close to final. I have added Steve Mathe who will lead us  
in an informal discussion Friday night, and also there is now a formal  
Havdalah service before our Saturday evening session.

Please note that FIVE of our speakers/presenters are coming to us  
fresh from the Holy Land: Hulley, Jacobovici, Roth, Tabor, and Young.

We have over 30 suite rooms booked at the hotel alone, with others  
coming from in town or staying at other hotels in the area, so I am  
expecting a much larger attendance than we have had in past years. Our  
meetings are public and you are welcome to invite whoever you feel is  
appropriate.

We will try to arrange arrival and departure rides from the airport so  
those of you who have not let us know of your arrival times should  
send them to Timothy Thompson and Chris Christnebury, who are helping  
me to co-ordinate things: twt at embarqmail.com and/or Chris at covecreekfarm.org

The Music Fest will be back at the hotel, Sunday night, after the  
program on the Exodus at the Jewish Community Center. The music  
program is impromptu but David and Patty Tyler of New York are  
organizing it for us, with sound equipment and and refreshments. We  
expect all our Louisiana talent to fully join in. Ross Nichols and his  
group have booked a block of rooms, so most of their synagogue group  
is coming up here, as well as Joe Good and his associates, Jack  
Trinker from the Michigan UIWU unit, and quite a few others who have  
never attended the meetings before have booked to come. We are still  
expecting a number of folks who are trying to arrange a way to come,  
will end up coming.

Shabbat Shalom, see you in two weeks.

James Tabor

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From YoungBarzel at aol.com  Sun Mar 30 06:37:55 2008
From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:37:55 EDT
Subject: [Dialogue] Quotes for today
Message-ID: <c79.2d8468bf.3520d593@aol.com>

 
Shalom v'Boker tov L'Culchem, 
 
    Here are some quotes from the Lekarev Report that I wanted to share:
 
"But thou are holy, O thou that art enthroned upon the praises of Yisrael."  
                                                                            
Psalm 22:3
&   
" Come, and let us return to the L-rd; for he has torn and he will heal us; 
he has smitten and will bind us up."
                                                                            
Hoshea 6:1
 
Sorry to have left Israel, but great to be back at my own computer....
 
    B'Ahavat Yehuda v'Yisrael,
        Hanoch the Lil Lion of Judah
Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...




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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Sun Mar 30 08:06:13 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:06:13 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Messiah study
Message-ID: <001d01c89266$d70aae20$0200a8c0@marvin>

Ross,

 

Looking forward to your teaching on Messiah.  If you have time would you
deal with the Luke 24:25-27 passage. 

 

Luk 24:25  Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all
that the prophets have spoken: 

Luk 24:26  Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into
his glory? 

Luk 24:27  And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto
them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself. 

 

 What are the text's that deal with the Messiah suffering in the Torah?

Are there any text's in the Torah that imply the death of the Prophet like
Moses?

 

Enjoy your teaching!

 

Marvin

 

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From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com  Mon Mar 17 10:33:42 2008
From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:33:42 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Hydrogen
Message-ID: <1A86C72B275A4FCAB1741F8FF44C6C46@DickLPC>

In the March 7th issue of the Jerusalem Post, there is an article concerning Hydrogen and what the scientist who invented a "magic pill" that turns water into gasoline, so to speak.  This just may change the world's fossil fuel problems.
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From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com  Sun Mar 23 15:24:31 2008
From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:24:31 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] .Looik At This Picture !
Message-ID: <BAF544687CF349C2B74DBA5F8D01C121@DickLPC>

  HAD TO SEND THIS ONE  Dick L

Subject:  Look at this picture!







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                          This may bring a tear to your eye. 
                          Wouldn't it be fitting if this went completely around the world!.....

                          This needs to make headline news...not some of the other junk that makes the news these days!!!Like the Rosie O'Donell war of words...celeb weddings...who's not wearing undies...etc.
                          If you agree, please pass this along.

                          It's a tough, but heartwarming story...with a picture of John Gebhardt in Iraq .

                          John Gebhardt's wife, Mindy, said that this litt le girl's entire family was executed.  The insurgents intended to execute the little girl also, and shot her in the head...but they failed to kill her.  She was cared for in John's hospital and is healing up, but continues to cry and moan. The nurses said John is the only one who seems to calm her down, so John has spent the last four nights holding her while they both slept in that chair. The girl is coming along with her healing.

                          He is a real Star of the war, and represents what America is trying to do.

                          This, my friends, is worth sharing with the WORLD!  Go for it!!   You'll never see things like this in the news.  Please keep this going.  Nothing will happen if you don't, but the American public needs to see pictures like this and needs to realize that what we're doing over there is making a difference.  Even if it's just one little girl at a time.

                          James Gates U. S. Navy  






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From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com  Thu Mar 27 12:31:44 2008
From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:31:44 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] URGENT ACTION ALERT - To Support Jewish & Christian
	Refugee House Resolution
Message-ID: <4A639FFDB7884B9EB118A2D8A57460E2@DickLPC>

test_summary                      Finally a turnaround in the right direction !  Dick L
Subject: URGENT ACTION ALERT - To Support Jewish & Christian Refugee House Resolution




We are in complete accord with House Resolution 185 that calls attention to the fact that Jews, Christians and other minorities living in Arab countries suffered human rights violations after 1948 when Israel became a nation. They were driven out of their homes, lost their possessions and became refugees. The Resolution asks the President to ensure that all international forums when the issue of "Middle East refugees" is discussed U.S. representatives will make explicit reference to Jewish, Christian and other refugees. 

On February 27, 2008 in a unanimous bi-partisan decision, the House Foreign Affairs Committee approved H.R. 185 recognizing the plight and flight of over 850,000 Jews from Arab countries. Many Christians and other minority groups were also forced out of their homes. 

Next Monday March 31, 2008 the Resolution is going for a full and final vote in the House of Representatives. It is important for Members of Congress to know that an overwhelming number of Americans support this Resolution. 

The Resolution was spearheaded by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (NY-D) along with Rep. Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-R), Rep. Michael Ferguson (NJ-R) and Rep. Joseph Crowley (NY-D). 

Your Action Alert will be sent to Members of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Rep. Howard L. Berman (CA-D), Chairman, and Rep. Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-R), Ranking Minority Member, with copies to President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Secretary of State Rice.

Read full text of Resolution 185

Please read the sample letter below. It is a letter you can send as is with one click (SEND URGENT ACTION ALERT) or you may modify the text as you wish.

To: House Committee on Foreign Affairs
Attn: Rep. Howard L. Berman (CA-D), Chairman, and Rep. Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-R), Ranking Minority Member

I thank the members of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs for their unanimous passage of H.R. 185 last February. When the full house votes on this Resolution next Monday, March 31st, it is my hope that the vote will again be unanimous. This Resolution addresses a great injustice perpetrated against the Jews, Christians and other minorities who were expelled from Arab lands shortly after the U.N. voted in May of 1948 to create the State of Israel. This long neglected issue will be addressed with a full vote of the U.S. House of Representatives this Monday.

Soon after the re-birth of Israel in 1948, Jews and Christians were expelled from their ancestral homes throughout the Arab world and were forced to leave behind all their possessions. Their fate was soon forgotten, as world humanitarian organizations aided other refugees of World War II, Vietnam, Korea, and the Arab refugees of the Middle East. The Jewish and Christian refugees were overlooked despite the fact that there is documentation of both communities residing in the Middle East and North Africa that predates the Moslems, who arrived in these lands in the 7th century CE. 

Jewish, Christian, Moslem and minority populations should have the same refugee status as stated in this Resolution.

I appreciate the House of Representatives recognizing the validity and moral equivalence of the claims of all refugees expelled from Arab lands.

Respectfully,

Signed __________________

SEND URGENT ACTION ALERT

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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 30 20:52:59 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:52:59 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BLU125-W5071DEFB71D45CF95329D9BAFA0@phx.gbl>


Ross, thank you for shepherding HaShem's flock.  You are facilitating the Return of His lost ones. You are actively searching for (through the Synagogue Without Walls), finding and feeding those Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, who for so long have been deprived the balanced diet of Truth from His precious Word. 
 
May you continue to grow in strength and the power of His might,
 
Pat
 
 
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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Mon Mar 31 01:40:55 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:40:55 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 31 07:38:16 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:38:16 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] URGENT ACTION ALERT - To Support Jewish & Christian
	Refugee House Resolution
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Thank you, Dick.  I'm sending it now. ~ Pat


From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.comTo: ;Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:31:44 -0400CC: Subject: [Dialogue] URGENT ACTION ALERT - To Support Jewish & Christian Refugee House Resolution



                      Finally a turnaround in the right direction !  Dick L

Subject: URGENT ACTION ALERT - To Support Jewish & Christian Refugee House Resolution



We are in complete accord with House Resolution 185 that calls attention to the fact that Jews, Christians and other minorities living in Arab countries suffered human rights violations after 1948 when Israel became a nation. They were driven out of their homes, lost their possessions and became refugees. The Resolution asks the President to ensure that all international forums when the issue of "Middle East refugees" is discussed U.S. representatives will make explicit reference to Jewish, Christian and other refugees. On February 27, 2008 in a unanimous bi-partisan decision, the House Foreign Affairs Committee approved H.R. 185 recognizing the plight and flight of over 850,000 Jews from Arab countries. Many Christians and other minority groups were also forced out of their homes. Next Monday March 31, 2008 the Resolution is going for a full and final vote in the House of Representatives. It is important for Members of Congress to know that an overwhelming number of Americans support this Resolution. The Resolution was spearheaded by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (NY-D) along with Rep. Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-R), Rep. Michael Ferguson (NJ-R) and Rep. Joseph Crowley (NY-D). Your Action Alert will be sent to Members of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Rep. Howard L. Berman (CA-D), Chairman, and Rep. Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-R), Ranking Minority Member, with copies to President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Secretary of State Rice.Read full text of Resolution 185Please read the sample letter below. It is a letter you can send as is with one click (SEND URGENT ACTION ALERT) or you may modify the text as you wish.To: House Committee on Foreign AffairsAttn: Rep. Howard L. Berman (CA-D), Chairman, and Rep. Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-R), Ranking Minority MemberI thank the members of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs for their unanimous passage of H.R. 185 last February. When the full house votes on this Resolution next Monday, March 31st, it is my hope that the vote will again be unanimous. This Resolution addresses a great injustice perpetrated against the Jews, Christians and other minorities who were expelled from Arab lands shortly after the U.N. voted in May of 1948 to create the State of Israel. This long neglected issue will be addressed with a full vote of the U.S. House of Representatives this Monday.Soon after the re-birth of Israel in 1948, Jews and Christians were expelled from their ancestral homes throughout the Arab world and were forced to leave behind all their possessions. Their fate was soon forgotten, as world humanitarian organizations aided other refugees of World War II, Vietnam, Korea, and the Arab refugees of the Middle East. The Jewish and Christian refugees were overlooked despite the fact that there is documentation of both communities residing in the Middle East and North Africa that predates the Moslems, who arrived in these lands in the 7th century CE. Jewish, Christian, Moslem and minority populations should have the same refugee status as stated in this Resolution.I appreciate the House of Representatives recognizing the validity and moral equivalence of the claims of all refugees expelled from Arab lands.Respectfully,Signed __________________SEND URGENT ACTION ALERT
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 31 07:51:07 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (patricia robbins)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:51:07 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] URGENT ACTION ALERT - To Support Jewish & Christian
	Refugee House Resolution
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I spoke too soon!  After copying and pasting, I found I had no email address, except the UCI.  I guess I'll just go ahead and sign it, then send it back to them.
 
Pat


From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.comTo: dialogue at rootsoffaith.orgSubject: RE: [Dialogue] URGENT ACTION ALERT - To Support Jewish & Christian Refugee House ResolutionDate: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:38:16 -0400


Thank you, Dick.  I'm sending it now. ~ Pat


From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.comTo: ;Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:31:44 -0400CC: Subject: [Dialogue] URGENT ACTION ALERT - To Support Jewish & Christian Refugee House Resolution


                      Finally a turnaround in the right direction !  Dick L

Subject: URGENT ACTION ALERT - To Support Jewish & Christian Refugee House Resolution



We are in complete accord with House Resolution 185 that calls attention to the fact that Jews, Christians and other minorities living in Arab countries suffered human rights violations after 1948 when Israel became a nation. They were driven out of their homes, lost their possessions and became refugees. The Resolution asks the President to ensure that all international forums when the issue of "Middle East refugees" is discussed U.S. representatives will make explicit reference to Jewish, Christian and other refugees. On February 27, 2008 in a unanimous bi-partisan decision, the House Foreign Affairs Committee approved H.R. 185 recognizing the plight and flight of over 850,000 Jews from Arab countries. Many Christians and other minority groups were also forced out of their homes. Next Monday March 31, 2008 the Resolution is going for a full and final vote in the House of Representatives. It is important for Members of Congress to know that an overwhelming number of Americans support this Resolution. The Resolution was spearheaded by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (NY-D) along with Rep. Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-R), Rep. Michael Ferguson (NJ-R) and Rep. Joseph Crowley (NY-D). Your Action Alert will be sent to Members of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Rep. Howard L. Berman (CA-D), Chairman, and Rep. Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-R), Ranking Minority Member, with copies to President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Secretary of State Rice.Read full text of Resolution 185Please read the sample letter below. It is a letter you can send as is with one click (SEND URGENT ACTION ALERT) or you may modify the text as you wish.To: House Committee on Foreign AffairsAttn: Rep. Howard L. Berman (CA-D), Chairman, and Rep. Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-R), Ranking Minority MemberI thank the members of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs for their unanimous passage of H.R. 185 last February. When the full house votes on this Resolution next Monday, March 31st, it is my hope that the vote will again be unanimous. This Resolution addresses a great injustice perpetrated against the Jews, Christians and other minorities who were expelled from Arab lands shortly after the U.N. voted in May of 1948 to create the State of Israel. This long neglected issue will be addressed with a full vote of the U.S. House of Representatives this Monday.Soon after the re-birth of Israel in 1948, Jews and Christians were expelled from their ancestral homes throughout the Arab world and were forced to leave behind all their possessions. Their fate was soon forgotten, as world humanitarian organizations aided other refugees of World War II, Vietnam, Korea, and the Arab refugees of the Middle East. The Jewish and Christian refugees were overlooked despite the fact that there is documentation of both communities residing in the Middle East and North Africa that predates the Moslems, who arrived in these lands in the 7th century CE. Jewish, Christian, Moslem and minority populations should have the same refugee status as stated in this Resolution.I appreciate the House of Representatives recognizing the validity and moral equivalence of the claims of all refugees expelled from Arab lands.Respectfully,Signed __________________SEND URGENT ACTION ALERT
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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Mon Mar 31 08:04:30 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:04:30 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today
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Steve,

 

During the past 10 -20 years I have often wondered how I could see and so
many others can not or will not.  From a purely intellectual - raw
intelligence view point, I'm not at the head of the class. But, for some
reason God has opened my eyes and let me see what others can not. As I look
back over my own personal journey,  I have come to realize that something in
my soul and heart was / is  desperately seeking after God (Hashem).  Be it
as a christian in nominal churchianity  or now as a ... (not sure what I am)
God fearing human, searching for knowledge and relationship with my creator.
Am I saying that others do not have a heart searching for God?  No!  I
believe each of us as we start searching for God we are faced with insight
into scripture and if we fail to receive what God is showing us, we stop
receiving right there.  I believe it is only as we keep receiving and moving
forward in our spiritual journey, that we keep the communication line open
so to speak and God continues to lead us into his truth, which just so
happens, to be  - Torah.

 

I was speaking to a 25 year christian the other day.  A man who knows his
bible, but has little understanding of what it really teaches.    A man who
is an accountant and CPA by trade.   If I had 10 million dollars I would
trust him to help me manage it.   But,  I could not in clear conscious walk
across the street to hear him preach, knowing his attitude against  God,
Torah and Israel.   This man would never admit he's against  God..  But if
your against Torah and Israel how can you stand for the God of Torah and
Israel.  

 

I finished the conversation and walked away feeling sad that this person was
blinded to what I see(with my limited understanding) but felt thankful 

that God has opened my eyes and giving me a heart to search after him.  My
prayer this morning is that I will continue to hold on to truth, search for 

truth and be willing to change as I find truth and that I might live and in
my flesh see the    Eze 43:4  And the glory of the LORD came into the house
by 

the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.  Eze 44:2  Then said
the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no
man 

shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in
by it, therefore it shall be shut. 

 

Shalom

 

 

 

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 2:41 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today

 

Friends, here is a word for today and a contemplation to go along with it: 

"Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is
my Torah; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their
revilings." -- (Isa. 51:7)

Contemplation: 

Isn't it amazing that we, the people associated with the "isles," (Isa.
51:5), had the Torah locked somewhere in our "hearts," ......and now that
this "secret" has been unlocked in us, we are to boldly identify with that
inner revelation, as "the people of the covenant'" i.e. "Brit Am"(Isa. 49:8)
.... and we are to "listen" to G-d's encouraging call to go ahead and not be
afraid of those who would put us down for it? 

Steve

PS:

I had a poor Baptist person tell me once:  "You are not trying to get us to
go back to those mean Old Testament laws, do you?  May G-d open her ears,...
soon.

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Mar 31 20:10:27 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:10:27 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today
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Message-ID: <000b01c89395$2c43a520$643c66c9@bettygivin>

Thanks, Steve, for the word and the thoughts!  Looking forward to meeting
you and hearing your message at the conference!

 

Blessings, 

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:41 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today

 

Friends, here is a word for today and a contemplation to go along with it: 

"Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is
my Torah; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their
revilings." -- (Isa. 51:7)

Contemplation: 

Isn't it amazing that we, the people associated with the "isles," (Isa.
51:5), had the Torah locked somewhere in our "hearts," ......and now that
this "secret" has been unlocked in us, we are to boldly identify with that
inner revelation, as "the people of the covenant'" i.e. "Brit Am"(Isa. 49:8)
.... and we are to "listen" to G-d's encouraging call to go ahead and not be
afraid of those who would put us down for it? 

Steve

PS:

I had a poor Baptist person tell me once:  "You are not trying to get us to
go back to those mean Old Testament laws, do you?  May G-d open her ears,...
soon.

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From YoungBarzel at aol.com  Mon Mar 31 20:28:48 2008
From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:28:48 EDT
Subject: [Dialogue] MUST SEE - it is THE film exposing Islam
Message-ID: <bcd.24c62f57.3522e9d0@aol.com>

Shalom to all - URGENT!
 
    Below is a link to a MUST SEE 16 minute film, made in the Netherlands, in 
an attempt to save their country.  It has been pulled off of several venues 
already, so watch it NOW.  And then forward the link to everyone you know - 
Christian, Ephramite, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Bnei Noah - EVERYONE YOU KNOW; it 
is THAT important.
_Click here: Fitna - Geert Wilders.divx : Online Video | Veoh Video Network_ 
(http://www.veoh.com/videos/v6533621XmPsXR86?c=islam-critical-documentation)  
 
        Hanoch 
the Lil Lion of Judah
Now we all know Rav Kahane was right...



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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Mon Mar 31 22:05:54 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:05:54 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Isa. 51:7 as Word for today
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