From YoungBarzel at aol.com  Mon Sep  1 05:23:51 2008
From: YoungBarzel at aol.com (YoungBarzel at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 06:23:51 EDT
Subject: [Dialogue] this says it all
Message-ID: <cbc.2e90d5dc.35ed1cb7@aol.com>

        
The Lekarev  Report
1  Elul 5768
September 1,  2008
Shalom

If My people, upon  whom My name is called, shall humble themselves, and 
pray, and  seek My face, and turn from their evil ways; then will I hear  from 
heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their  land.

II Chron.  7:14






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From rndavar at aol.com  Mon Sep  1 07:11:05 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (Ross Nichols)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:11:05 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] The Winds
Message-ID: <1653084237-1220271018-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-548819643-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I woke up early this morning (as usual) and walked outside. I am sitting on my porch drinking coffee. The wind is picking up. The clouds are blowing from east to west. We will likely get some heavy rains and high winds here. Some predict that we may see winds as high as 70 mph.

I will keep you all posted. I plan on spending the day in study. I have been reading my Torah all morning. I hope to write something up on the torah reading Shofetim later in the day.

My prayers go out to all in the path of this storm. Some may not realize how vital the coast of Louisiana is to the entire US. The oil rigs that supply fuel could take a hard hit from Gustav.

Shalom to all from Louisiana, Ross
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From dhcole1 at cox.net  Mon Sep  1 07:30:35 2008
From: dhcole1 at cox.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:30:35 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] The Winds
References: <1653084237-1220271018-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-548819643-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <01ba01c90c2e$8923bf20$6400a8c0@davesbook>

Hey Ross and all (saw your post) thought i would post too (lol)

While we still have electricity and internet I thought I would post a 
morning update.

Baton Rouge is getting some wind gusts, up to 25mph or so, but not much rain 
at this point.  Looking at the local news cameras mounted around the city 
there is not much activity from the storm YET.....this is good news to me in 
that my biggest concern was a storm hitting us during the night.  It was 
difficult to go to sleep last night not sure how this storm was approching 
and at what forward speed we would see it.

Well I will try and keep an update as I can today.
I have a house full of relatives as well as their pets staying here with 
us.....(cats and dogs)...we have the cat/good dog part of the house and the 
bad dog section (daughters pit bull.....sigh)....hopefuly the two will not 
meet!

dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ross Nichols" <rndavar at aol.com>
To: "United Israel" <uilist at unitedisrael.org>; "Dialogue List" 
<dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:11 AM
Subject: [Dialogue] The Winds


>I woke up early this morning (as usual) and walked outside. I am sitting on 
>my porch drinking coffee. The wind is picking up. The clouds are blowing 
>from east to west. We will likely get some heavy rains and high winds here. 
>Some predict that we may see winds as high as 70 mph.
>
> I will keep you all posted. I plan on spending the day in study. I have 
> been reading my Torah all morning. I hope to write something up on the 
> torah reading Shofetim later in the day.
>
> My prayers go out to all in the path of this storm. Some may not realize 
> how vital the coast of Louisiana is to the entire US. The oil rigs that 
> supply fuel could take a hard hit from Gustav.
>
> Shalom to all from Louisiana, Ross
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> _______________________________________________ 



From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep  1 08:46:13 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:46:13 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] The Winds
In-Reply-To: <01ba01c90c2e$8923bf20$6400a8c0@davesbook>
References: <1653084237-1220271018-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-548819643-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><01ba01c90c2e$8923bf20$6400a8c0@davesbook>
Message-ID: <1432839619-1220276882-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-505528612-@bxe124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hey ya'll, while the worst is still yet to come, the good news is that it has been downgraded to a cat two.

John C.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dave Cole" <dhcole1 at cox.net>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:30:35 
To: <dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Winds


Hey Ross and all (saw your post) thought i would post too (lol)

While we still have electricity and internet I thought I would post a 
morning update.

Baton Rouge is getting some wind gusts, up to 25mph or so, but not much rain 
at this point.  Looking at the local news cameras mounted around the city 
there is not much activity from the storm YET.....this is good news to me in 
that my biggest concern was a storm hitting us during the night.  It was 
difficult to go to sleep last night not sure how this storm was approching 
and at what forward speed we would see it.

Well I will try and keep an update as I can today.
I have a house full of relatives as well as their pets staying here with 
us.....(cats and dogs)...we have the cat/good dog part of the house and the 
bad dog section (daughters pit bull.....sigh)....hopefuly the two will not 
meet!

dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ross Nichols" <rndavar at aol.com>
To: "United Israel" <uilist at unitedisrael.org>; "Dialogue List" 
<dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:11 AM
Subject: [Dialogue] The Winds


>I woke up early this morning (as usual) and walked outside. I am sitting on 
>my porch drinking coffee. The wind is picking up. The clouds are blowing 
>from east to west. We will likely get some heavy rains and high winds here. 
>Some predict that we may see winds as high as 70 mph.
>
> I will keep you all posted. I plan on spending the day in study. I have 
> been reading my Torah all morning. I hope to write something up on the 
> torah reading Shofetim later in the day.
>
> My prayers go out to all in the path of this storm. Some may not realize 
> how vital the coast of Louisiana is to the entire US. The oil rigs that 
> supply fuel could take a hard hit from Gustav.
>
> Shalom to all from Louisiana, Ross
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> _______________________________________________ 

_______________________________________________

From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  1 11:19:16 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:19:16 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] YouTube - Yerushalayim - Miami Boys Choir
Message-ID: <BLU125-DS3E595B086A22D394E6C6ABA5C0@phx.gbl>



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-cp46ymuSE

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From rndavar at aol.com  Mon Sep  1 12:39:29 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (Ross Nichols)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:39:29 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] God's Government
Message-ID: <489715946-1220290723-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1322252297-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Today marks the 1st day of the Hebrew month Elul. This day begins a 40 day period leading up to the most solemn day on the Hebrew calendar - Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, or more accurately, the Day of covering. The Torah provides us with details of this Holy day in Leviticus 23:26-32 and also chapter 16.

On this day, Moses is believed to have made his third of three treks to the summit of Mount Sinai. He rose early on the morning of Elul 1st and brought with him the two tablets that he had made to replace the set he had smashed 42 days earlier when he found the people worshipping the golden calf. It was during this time that he was allowed to see God's "back" (see Exodus 33 and 34).

Aside from this event, the weekly portion for September 6th also has an interesting connection to current events. In the U.S., we are witnessing the two major political parties compete for the votes of the masses. The Democrats held their National Convention last week and the Republicans are scheduled to hold theirs this week.

The torah reading this week contains the true government "of the people". Herein we read the divine plan for human government. We find that officers are to administer this system, but under strict guidance and rules - the foundation of which is the Hebrew concept of Tzedek. This word is translated as justice or more accurately as righteousness. The torah says "tzedek tzedek you shall pursue". The Bible has much to say about this word and a careful study of its frequent appearances is encouraged of all.

One key in the proper administration of this "heavenly" government system is the warning against "respecting persons". This is a Hebrew idiom for showing partiality.

As God is "no respector of persons", so are those in postion as "judges" to imitate Him.

Judges and witnesses alike are charged to administer "righteous judgement" in this week's parsha. At any level in the administration of justice, fair and consistent decisions (free of bribery) are necessary in order to maintain the righteous order of society.

Rabbi Hertz, in his commentary on the Pentateuch, says that the final disappearance of injustice and oppression is represented in the New Year Amidah as the goal and meaning of history, and as synonymous with the realization of God's Kingdom on earth.

This week's reading lays out the whole plan for a biblically based government with God as the head and various humans working in concert with His will; judges, priests and prophets.

The Torah foretells of the first departure from the established system when the people will ask to be "like the nations". This request for a king would later be declared by God to be a rejection of Him!

The proper administration was to be led by God Himself and in order for this to function, the people had to hear from God. This was to be accomplished through the prophets. It was the prophet that would possess and declare the "word of God" to the people. The Torah puts it this way; "I will put my words in your mouth". See for example Jeremiah 1:9, Ezekiel 2:9-3:3.

This phrase also occurs in the Haphtarah this week. In Isaiah 51:16 we see that the "servant nation" is told, "I have put my words in thy mouth...." So, the nation was to serve as the mouthpiece of God. As Moses had once declared; "would that all God's people were prophets". 

This is followed by a most remarkable statement. God puts his words in the mouth of His people, "so that I may plant the heavens and lay the foundations of the earth and say to Zion: 'thou art my people'" (Isaiah 51:16b). The words of God in his people will lead to heaven being "planted". To "plant the heavens" means that the will of God will be done on "earth as it is in heaven".

The haphtarah ends with the messenger bringing forth "good tidings, announcing salvation that says to Zion, 'your God reigns'".

This is the message. When God's people begin to proclaim his salvation and His plan for a world established on tzedek, we will begin to realize that only God should rule the affairs of man. His torah should be the rule for our daily life.

Study the Torah, for these are the words of the living God. People are looking to various human leaders for needed change and reform. Despite the wisdom or experience (or lack thereof), despite the wonderful programs that political parties develop and preach....God, once and for all time met with the meekest man on all the earth and wrote his Laws on two tablets on this very day 3321 years ago.

If change and reform is what you want, don't wait until November, vote for Moses today!

Turn to the Torah and live.

Shalom, Ross
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

From rndavar at aol.com  Mon Sep  1 13:03:01 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (Ross Nichols)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:03:01 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: [UILIST] God's Government
In-Reply-To: <489715946-1220290723-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1322252297-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <489715946-1220290723-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1322252297-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1237087980-1220292167-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1446467348-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Please excuse typos. I sent the last post from my phone. The whole Nichols clan is on the front porch. Our electricity is out. The wind and rain is coming now.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ross Nichols" <rndavar at aol.com>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:39:29 
To: United Israel<uilist at unitedisrael.org>; Dialogue List<dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>; Karen Nevison<kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com>
Subject: [UILIST] God's Government


Today marks the 1st day of the Hebrew month Elul. This day begins a 40 day period leading up to the most solemn day on the Hebrew calendar - Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, or more accurately, the Day of covering. The Torah provides us with details of this Holy day in Leviticus 23:26-32 and also chapter 16.

On this day, Moses is believed to have made his third of three treks to the summit of Mount Sinai. He rose early on the morning of Elul 1st and brought with him the two tablets that he had made to replace the set he had smashed 42 days earlier when he found the people worshipping the golden calf. It was during this time that he was allowed to see God's "back" (see Exodus 33 and 34).

Aside from this event, the weekly portion for September 6th also has an interesting connection to current events. In the U.S., we are witnessing the two major political parties compete for the votes of the masses. The Democrats held their National Convention last week and the Republicans are scheduled to hold theirs this week.

The torah reading this week contains the true government "of the people". Herein we read the divine plan for human government. We find that officers are to administer this system, but under strict guidance and rules - the foundation of which is the Hebrew concept of Tzedek. This word is translated as justice or more accurately as righteousness. The torah says "tzedek tzedek you shall pursue". The Bible has much to say about this word and a careful study of its frequent appearances is encouraged of all.

One key in the proper administration of this "heavenly" government system is the warning against "respecting persons". This is a Hebrew idiom for showing partiality.

As God is "no respector of persons", so are those in postion as "judges" to imitate Him.

Judges and witnesses alike are charged to administer "righteous judgement" in this week's parsha. At any level in the administration of justice, fair and consistent decisions (free of bribery) are necessary in order to maintain the righteous order of society.

Rabbi Hertz, in his commentary on the Pentateuch, says that the final disappearance of injustice and oppression is represented in the New Year Amidah as the goal and meaning of history, and as synonymous with the realization of God's Kingdom on earth.

This week's reading lays out the whole plan for a biblically based government with God as the head and various humans working in concert with His will; judges, priests and prophets.

The Torah foretells of the first departure from the established system when the people will ask to be "like the nations". This request for a king would later be declared by God to be a rejection of Him!

The proper administration was to be led by God Himself and in order for this to function, the people had to hear from God. This was to be accomplished through the prophets. It was the prophet that would possess and declare the "word of God" to the people. The Torah puts it this way; "I will put my words in your mouth". See for example Jeremiah 1:9, Ezekiel 2:9-3:3.

This phrase also occurs in the Haphtarah this week. In Isaiah 51:16 we see that the "servant nation" is told, "I have put my words in thy mouth...." So, the nation was to serve as the mouthpiece of God. As Moses had once declared; "would that all God's people were prophets". 

This is followed by a most remarkable statement. God puts his words in the mouth of His people, "so that I may plant the heavens and lay the foundations of the earth and say to Zion: 'thou art my people'" (Isaiah 51:16b). The words of God in his people will lead to heaven being "planted". To "plant the heavens" means that the will of God will be done on "earth as it is in heaven".

The haphtarah ends with the messenger bringing forth "good tidings, announcing salvation that says to Zion, 'your God reigns'".

This is the message. When God's people begin to proclaim his salvation and His plan for a world established on tzedek, we will begin to realize that only God should rule the affairs of man. His torah should be the rule for our daily life.

Study the Torah, for these are the words of the living God. People are looking to various human leaders for needed change and reform. Despite the wisdom or experience (or lack thereof), despite the wonderful programs that political parties develop and preach....God, once and for all time met with the meekest man on all the earth and wrote his Laws on two tablets on this very day 3321 years ago.

If change and reform is what you want, don't wait until November, vote for Moses today!

Turn to the Torah and live.

Shalom, Ross
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep  1 13:19:53 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:19:53 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: [UILIST] God's Government
In-Reply-To: <1237087980-1220292167-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1446467348-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <489715946-1220290723-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1322252297-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><1237087980-1220292167-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1446467348-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1907901883-1220293283-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1547753266-@bxe124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Yep, we're on the generator here.

JC
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ross Nichols" <rndavar at aol.com>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:03:01 
To: United Israel<uilist at unitedisrael.org>; Dialogue List<dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>; Karen Nevison<kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: [UILIST] God's Government


Please excuse typos. I sent the last post from my phone. The whole Nichols clan is on the front porch. Our electricity is out. The wind and rain is coming now.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ross Nichols" <rndavar at aol.com>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:39:29 
To: United Israel<uilist at unitedisrael.org>; Dialogue List<dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>; Karen Nevison<kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com>
Subject: [UILIST] God's Government


Today marks the 1st day of the Hebrew month Elul. This day begins a 40 day period leading up to the most solemn day on the Hebrew calendar - Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, or more accurately, the Day of covering. The Torah provides us with details of this Holy day in Leviticus 23:26-32 and also chapter 16.

On this day, Moses is believed to have made his third of three treks to the summit of Mount Sinai. He rose early on the morning of Elul 1st and brought with him the two tablets that he had made to replace the set he had smashed 42 days earlier when he found the people worshipping the golden calf. It was during this time that he was allowed to see God's "back" (see Exodus 33 and 34).

Aside from this event, the weekly portion for September 6th also has an interesting connection to current events. In the U.S., we are witnessing the two major political parties compete for the votes of the masses. The Democrats held their National Convention last week and the Republicans are scheduled to hold theirs this week.

The torah reading this week contains the true government "of the people". Herein we read the divine plan for human government. We find that officers are to administer this system, but under strict guidance and rules - the foundation of which is the Hebrew concept of Tzedek. This word is translated as justice or more accurately as righteousness. The torah says "tzedek tzedek you shall pursue". The Bible has much to say about this word and a careful study of its frequent appearances is encouraged of all.

One key in the proper administration of this "heavenly" government system is the warning against "respecting persons". This is a Hebrew idiom for showing partiality.

As God is "no respector of persons", so are those in postion as "judges" to imitate Him.

Judges and witnesses alike are charged to administer "righteous judgement" in this week's parsha. At any level in the administration of justice, fair and consistent decisions (free of bribery) are necessary in order to maintain the righteous order of society.

Rabbi Hertz, in his commentary on the Pentateuch, says that the final disappearance of injustice and oppression is represented in the New Year Amidah as the goal and meaning of history, and as synonymous with the realization of God's Kingdom on earth.

This week's reading lays out the whole plan for a biblically based government with God as the head and various humans working in concert with His will; judges, priests and prophets.

The Torah foretells of the first departure from the established system when the people will ask to be "like the nations". This request for a king would later be declared by God to be a rejection of Him!

The proper administration was to be led by God Himself and in order for this to function, the people had to hear from God. This was to be accomplished through the prophets. It was the prophet that would possess and declare the "word of God" to the people. The Torah puts it this way; "I will put my words in your mouth". See for example Jeremiah 1:9, Ezekiel 2:9-3:3.

This phrase also occurs in the Haphtarah this week. In Isaiah 51:16 we see that the "servant nation" is told, "I have put my words in thy mouth...." So, the nation was to serve as the mouthpiece of God. As Moses had once declared; "would that all God's people were prophets". 

This is followed by a most remarkable statement. God puts his words in the mouth of His people, "so that I may plant the heavens and lay the foundations of the earth and say to Zion: 'thou art my people'" (Isaiah 51:16b). The words of God in his people will lead to heaven being "planted". To "plant the heavens" means that the will of God will be done on "earth as it is in heaven".

The haphtarah ends with the messenger bringing forth "good tidings, announcing salvation that says to Zion, 'your God reigns'".

This is the message. When God's people begin to proclaim his salvation and His plan for a world established on tzedek, we will begin to realize that only God should rule the affairs of man. His torah should be the rule for our daily life.

Study the Torah, for these are the words of the living God. People are looking to various human leaders for needed change and reform. Despite the wisdom or experience (or lack thereof), despite the wonderful programs that political parties develop and preach....God, once and for all time met with the meekest man on all the earth and wrote his Laws on two tablets on this very day 3321 years ago.

If change and reform is what you want, don't wait until November, vote for Moses today!

Turn to the Torah and live.

Shalom, Ross
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Sep  1 13:43:02 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:43:02 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: [UILIST] God's Government
In-Reply-To: <1907901883-1220293283-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1547753266-@bxe124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <489715946-1220290723-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1322252297-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><1237087980-1220292167-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1446467348-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<1907901883-1220293283-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1547753266-@bxe124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <5219D9D7539A40A998C7BC132CAC304A@bettylaptop>

Thank you, Ross, for this excellent and very timely teaching.  May HaShem be
with you and yours and all our St. Francisville family as tbe storm comes
your way!  Love and Blessings, Betty/Elisheva

-----Original Message-----
From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of
carlson_john at bellsouth.net
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 1:20 PM
To: Dialogue
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: [UILIST] God's Government

Yep, we're on the generator here.

JC
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ross Nichols" <rndavar at aol.com>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:03:01 
To: United Israel<uilist at unitedisrael.org>; Dialogue
List<dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>; Karen Nevison<kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: [UILIST] God's Government


Please excuse typos. I sent the last post from my phone. The whole Nichols
clan is on the front porch. Our electricity is out. The wind and rain is
coming now.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ross Nichols" <rndavar at aol.com>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:39:29 
To: United Israel<uilist at unitedisrael.org>; Dialogue
List<dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>; Karen Nevison<kfaymontgomery at yahoo.com>
Subject: [UILIST] God's Government


Today marks the 1st day of the Hebrew month Elul. This day begins a 40 day
period leading up to the most solemn day on the Hebrew calendar - Yom
Kippur, the Day of Atonement, or more accurately, the Day of covering. The
Torah provides us with details of this Holy day in Leviticus 23:26-32 and
also chapter 16.

On this day, Moses is believed to have made his third of three treks to the
summit of Mount Sinai. He rose early on the morning of Elul 1st and brought
with him the two tablets that he had made to replace the set he had smashed
42 days earlier when he found the people worshipping the golden calf. It was
during this time that he was allowed to see God's "back" (see Exodus 33 and
34).

Aside from this event, the weekly portion for September 6th also has an
interesting connection to current events. In the U.S., we are witnessing the
two major political parties compete for the votes of the masses. The
Democrats held their National Convention last week and the Republicans are
scheduled to hold theirs this week.

The torah reading this week contains the true government "of the people".
Herein we read the divine plan for human government. We find that officers
are to administer this system, but under strict guidance and rules - the
foundation of which is the Hebrew concept of Tzedek. This word is translated
as justice or more accurately as righteousness. The torah says "tzedek
tzedek you shall pursue". The Bible has much to say about this word and a
careful study of its frequent appearances is encouraged of all.

One key in the proper administration of this "heavenly" government system is
the warning against "respecting persons". This is a Hebrew idiom for showing
partiality.

As God is "no respector of persons", so are those in postion as "judges" to
imitate Him.

Judges and witnesses alike are charged to administer "righteous judgement"
in this week's parsha. At any level in the administration of justice, fair
and consistent decisions (free of bribery) are necessary in order to
maintain the righteous order of society.

Rabbi Hertz, in his commentary on the Pentateuch, says that the final
disappearance of injustice and oppression is represented in the New Year
Amidah as the goal and meaning of history, and as synonymous with the
realization of God's Kingdom on earth.

This week's reading lays out the whole plan for a biblically based
government with God as the head and various humans working in concert with
His will; judges, priests and prophets.

The Torah foretells of the first departure from the established system when
the people will ask to be "like the nations". This request for a king would
later be declared by God to be a rejection of Him!

The proper administration was to be led by God Himself and in order for this
to function, the people had to hear from God. This was to be accomplished
through the prophets. It was the prophet that would possess and declare the
"word of God" to the people. The Torah puts it this way; "I will put my
words in your mouth". See for example Jeremiah 1:9, Ezekiel 2:9-3:3.

This phrase also occurs in the Haphtarah this week. In Isaiah 51:16 we see
that the "servant nation" is told, "I have put my words in thy mouth...."
So, the nation was to serve as the mouthpiece of God. As Moses had once
declared; "would that all God's people were prophets". 

This is followed by a most remarkable statement. God puts his words in the
mouth of His people, "so that I may plant the heavens and lay the
foundations of the earth and say to Zion: 'thou art my people'" (Isaiah
51:16b). The words of God in his people will lead to heaven being "planted".
To "plant the heavens" means that the will of God will be done on "earth as
it is in heaven".

The haphtarah ends with the messenger bringing forth "good tidings,
announcing salvation that says to Zion, 'your God reigns'".

This is the message. When God's people begin to proclaim his salvation and
His plan for a world established on tzedek, we will begin to realize that
only God should rule the affairs of man. His torah should be the rule for
our daily life.

Study the Torah, for these are the words of the living God. People are
looking to various human leaders for needed change and reform. Despite the
wisdom or experience (or lack thereof), despite the wonderful programs that
political parties develop and preach....God, once and for all time met with
the meekest man on all the earth and wrote his Laws on two tablets on this
very day 3321 years ago.

If change and reform is what you want, don't wait until November, vote for
Moses today!

Turn to the Torah and live.

Shalom, Ross
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T



From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net  Tue Sep  2 15:13:07 2008
From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:13:07 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Storm report
Message-ID: <8BB03F5B-55CF-4EC2-808F-0FFF6251A168@earthlink.net>

I wanted to let everyone know that I did get a short message from Ross  
and briefly connect with him this AM, then we were cut off. He said  
they are without electricity for an undetermined time and the area  
looks like a "war zone," but all are well. The only other thing I have  
heard is via Betty that her daughter Amy, living in Baton Rouge, got  
hit hard, with windows out in their house, roof damaged, and water all  
over. If anyone from down that way is up and running give us a report.  
Ross has his cell phone but can not charge it much and also his  
reception is on and off...

James




From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Tue Sep  2 15:31:55 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:31:55 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Storm report
Message-ID: <407285497-1220387609-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-232104506-@bxe124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hey James,

My Blackberry is working but messages in and out are slow.

From what I can see and the reports I've gotten New Orleans fared better on this one than during Katrina.  But BR and the surrounding parishes got hit harder this time.  Not many casualties thank HaShem, but the infrastructure is severely damaged.  We are gonna be without power and telephones for awhile.

It's a mess that's just gonna take some time to clean up.  Everyone is okay though.

Gotta keep an eye on the other ones now.

Shalom,

John C.

------Original Message------
From: James Tabor
Sender: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
To: Dialogue
ReplyTo: Dialogue
Sent: Sep 2, 2008 3:13 PM
Subject: [Dialogue] Storm report

I wanted to let everyone know that I did get a short message from Ross  
and briefly connect with him this AM, then we were cut off. He said  
they are without electricity for an undetermined time and the area  
looks like a "war zone," but all are well. The only other thing I have  
heard is via Betty that her daughter Amy, living in Baton Rouge, got  
hit hard, with windows out in their house, roof damaged, and water all  
over. If anyone from down that way is up and running give us a report.  
Ross has his cell phone but can not charge it much and also his  
reception is on and off...

James


_______________________________________________


Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 18:20:46 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:20:46 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Storm report
In-Reply-To: <407285497-1220387609-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-232104506-@bxe124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <407285497-1220387609-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-232104506-@bxe124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0809021620t4e63087et6f6b2d16d9e9dbd5@mail.gmail.com>

Glad to hear everyone is alright.  Hope things are up and running soon.

Kim

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:31 PM, <carlson_john at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Hey James,
>
> My Blackberry is working but messages in and out are slow.
>
> From what I can see and the reports I've gotten New Orleans fared better on
> this one than during Katrina.  But BR and the surrounding parishes got hit
> harder this time.  Not many casualties thank HaShem, but the infrastructure
> is severely damaged.  We are gonna be without power and telephones for
> awhile.
>
> It's a mess that's just gonna take some time to clean up.  Everyone is okay
> though.
>
> Gotta keep an eye on the other ones now.
>
> Shalom,
>
> John C.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: James Tabor
> Sender: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
> To: Dialogue
> ReplyTo: Dialogue
> Sent: Sep 2, 2008 3:13 PM
> Subject: [Dialogue] Storm report
>
> I wanted to let everyone know that I did get a short message from Ross
> and briefly connect with him this AM, then we were cut off. He said
> they are without electricity for an undetermined time and the area
> looks like a "war zone," but all are well. The only other thing I have
> heard is via Betty that her daughter Amy, living in Baton Rouge, got
> hit hard, with windows out in their house, roof damaged, and water all
> over. If anyone from down that way is up and running give us a report.
> Ross has his cell phone but can not charge it much and also his
> reception is on and off...
>
> James
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Tue Sep  2 20:04:00 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:04:00 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Storm report
In-Reply-To: <8BB03F5B-55CF-4EC2-808F-0FFF6251A168@earthlink.net>
References: <8BB03F5B-55CF-4EC2-808F-0FFF6251A168@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <98BDCBC70C2D4B30B7E24DC1695CC967@bettylaptop>

Glad everyone is okay.  Has anyone heard from Ronnie Fulcher in Mississippi?
I did hear from Amy in Baton Rouge briefly before we were cut off and
learned that the damage was not as bad as they originally thought.  Damage
seems to be mainly in their Rec Room upstairs and the dining room.  They are
in line to get a tarp on their roof and are trying to get a mitigation
company out to remove the baseboards and part of the carpeting and get some
fans in to help dehumidify.
They of course have no electricity and are on generator power like everyone
else, but were well prepared as far as the necessities, so are okay.  Their
daughter, age 19 is trying to make it to Baton Rouge from Lake Charles where
she attends school to be with her family.  Her university has suspended
classes indefinitely.
Take care all, love...Betty/Elisheva

-----Original Message-----
From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of James Tabor
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 3:13 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] Storm report

I wanted to let everyone know that I did get a short message from Ross  
and briefly connect with him this AM, then we were cut off. He said  
they are without electricity for an undetermined time and the area  
looks like a "war zone," but all are well. The only other thing I have  
heard is via Betty that her daughter Amy, living in Baton Rouge, got  
hit hard, with windows out in their house, roof damaged, and water all  
over. If anyone from down that way is up and running give us a report.  
Ross has his cell phone but can not charge it much and also his  
reception is on and off...

James


_______________________________________________



From jid at westnet.com.au  Wed Sep  3 00:18:04 2008
From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:18:04 +1000
Subject: [Dialogue] STORM REPORT.
Message-ID: <48BE1E0C.7010109@westnet.com.au>

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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Wed Sep  3 00:46:56 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:46:56 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Elul and Psalm 27 links FYI
Message-ID: <200809030546.m835kpu1027029@mail136c25.carrierzone.com>

Hi Gang,

Here are some links for you to check out in and on Elul.

Steve




http://myjewishlearning.com/holidays/Rosh_Hashana/Overview_High_Holidays/Elul/Psalm_27.htm

http://scheinerman.net/judaism/hhd/teshuvah/index.html

http://www.rebchava.com/pages.php?tabid=3&pageid=16&title=Holy+Meditations+on+Psalm+27

http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/jeisholidays/elul/

http://www.askmoses.com/article/620,18771/Why-do-we-recite-Psalm-27-on-Rosh-Hashanah-and-Yom-Kippur.html

http://www.torah.org/learning/yomtov/elulrosh/vol1no35.html

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Wed Sep  3 16:24:26 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:24:26 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Elul and Psalm 27 links FYI
In-Reply-To: <200809030546.m835kpu1027029@mail136c25.carrierzone.com>
References: <200809030546.m835kpu1027029@mail136c25.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <5766899FD40640D6AC67A55A5847A347@bettylaptop>

Thank you, Steve, for these links.  I am anxious to check them out as I have
always felt this time of year with the daily reading of the beautiful 27th
Psalm and the 40 days of T'shuvah leading up to Yom Kippur to be so very
meaningful.

 

Blessings to you,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

  _____  

From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:47 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] Elul and Psalm 27 links FYI

 

Hi Gang, 

Here are some links for you to check out in and on Elul.

Steve




http://myjewishlearning.com/holidays/Rosh_Hashana/Overview_High_Holidays/Elu
l/Psalm_27.htm

http://scheinerman.net/judaism/hhd/teshuvah/index.html

http://www.rebchava.com/pages.php?tabid=3
<http://www.rebchava.com/pages.php?tabid=3&pageid=16&title=Holy+Meditations+
on+Psalm+27> &pageid=16&title=Holy+Meditations+on+Psalm+27

http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/jeisholidays/elul/

http://www.askmoses.com/article/620,18771/Why-do-we-recite-Psalm-27-on-Rosh-
Hashanah-and-Yom-Kippur.html

http://www.torah.org/learning/yomtov/elulrosh/vol1no35.html 

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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Wed Sep  3 20:28:06 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:28:06 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Hanoch
Message-ID: <1440460846-1220491791-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-502998792-@bxe124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>


For some reason Hanoch cannot post to the list.

Can someone help him get back on?

John C.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From bkgivin at charter.net  Thu Sep  4 02:45:02 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 02:45:02 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: An Open Letter to the Next President
Message-ID: <1E86F1F1B1CD40FDA2F399A6542656A2@bettylaptop>

 

 

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From: Jerusalem Prayer Team [mailto:JPT at donationnet.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 2:13 PM
To: Betty Givin
Subject: An Open Letter to the Next President

 




Jerusalem Report 
from the founder of the Jerusalem Prayer Team 

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An Open Letter to the Next President



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One of you shortly will be elected as President of the United States. You
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people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek
my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and
will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 

Senators, as you well know the U.S. State Department has an official
document that will be placed in your hand called the Shelf Agreement. They
will ask you to implement the principles of the agreement which call for the
division of Jerusalem and the establishment of a Palestinian state, with
East Jerusalem as its capital. I urge you to reject the Road Map for Peace
and the Shelf Agreement, and I urge you to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's
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Jerusalem became the capital of the Jewish people during the time of King
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Islam's obsession in dividing Jerusalem. You will be faced with world public
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Thu Sep  4 03:17:27 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 03:17:27 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] a 2nd reply Elul and Psalm 27 links FYI
In-Reply-To: <200809030546.m835kpu1027029@mail136c25.carrierzone.com>
References: <200809030546.m835kpu1027029@mail136c25.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <E79B331CBACC4B2896006AE860E23F3D@bettylaptop>

Steve and friends,

 

I have been reading some this pm from these links.  They are all very rich
with meaning and have so much to offer in the way of learning and giving us
things to meditate on during these special days leading up to Yom Kippur.
The first link even has a quiz and depending on how you answer will guide
you to your level of learning.  I found out that I didn't know as much as I
thought I did!

 

One thing really struck hard at me in the first article regarding the
background and explanation of why Psalm 27 is read twice each day beginning
of the first of Elul thru Rosh HaShannah and up until erev Yom Kippur.and
that is that the psalm is clearly divided into two parts.and when looked at
carefully can mirror the emotions present in any one of us at one time or
another in our lives. 

 

At the risk of opening myself up and becoming vulnerable for the sake of
possibly helping some of you that are going thru tough times,  I just wanted
to say that  the Psalm 27 has always been special to me and that this
particular teaching especially fits where I have been these past months.and
it gave me great comfort to read it for it made me feel that I am indeed not
alone.that some of the feelings that I have been going thru are actually
very common.it is really quite beautiful and left me feeling overwhelmed and
blessed.I think it is perhaps just what I needed to set me on the path to
t'shuvah and to help get me into the spirit of this month of preparation
leading up and thru the 10 Days of Awe between Rosh HaShanah and Yom
Kippur.which is something that I have been personally struggling with, as I
have had so many personal issues that it has been hard to see the trees thru
the fog.

 

Hopefully it might speak to some of you as well and bless you as it did me.

 

The psalmist cries out, demands, asks and pleads that his two worlds are
one. I, the sufferer, depressed to the ultimate limits, am that same I who
trusts, who is safe, who sits in the presence of the Lord.

 

Thank you so much, Steve, for sharing.

 

Love and Blessings to all, wherever you are,

 

Betty/Elisheva

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  _____  

From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:47 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] Elul and Psalm 27 links FYI

 

Hi Gang, 

Here are some links for you to check out in and on Elul.

Steve




http://myjewishlearning.com/holidays/Rosh_Hashana/Overview_High_Holidays/Elu
l/Psalm_27.htm

http://scheinerman.net/judaism/hhd/teshuvah/index.html

http://www.rebchava.com/pages.php?tabid=3
<http://www.rebchava.com/pages.php?tabid=3&pageid=16&title=Holy+Meditations+
on+Psalm+27> &pageid=16&title=Holy+Meditations+on+Psalm+27

http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/jeisholidays/elul/

http://www.askmoses.com/article/620,18771/Why-do-we-recite-Psalm-27-on-Rosh-
Hashanah-and-Yom-Kippur.html

http://www.torah.org/learning/yomtov/elulrosh/vol1no35.html 

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From jid at westnet.com.au  Thu Sep  4 21:39:08 2008
From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:39:08 +1000
Subject: [Dialogue] - Wake Up Benei Israel!!!
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 11:15:16 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:15:16 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] test
Message-ID: <855590370809050915r6f7152dbw93bb59be6c3f6b7e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

    I hope someone is able to read this....have had to switch to a gmail
account from my AOL in order to get back on the list.

    Anyway, hope to be posting again - I've got a week's worth of stuff to
forward  :-)

    Shabbat Shalom,
            *Hanoch*
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From tposborne77 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  5 11:16:48 2008
From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:16:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] test
Message-ID: <305548.94908.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hey Brother Hanch,
Can you hear me now?
Tracy



----- Original Message ----
From: Hanoch Young <youngbarzel at gmail.com>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 12:15:16 PM
Subject: [Dialogue] test


Hi folks, 

??? I hope someone is able to read this....have had to switch to a gmail account from my AOL in order to get back on the list.

??? Anyway, hope to be posting again - I've got a week's worth of stuff to forward? :-)

??? Shabbat Shalom,
??????????? Hanoch


      
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 12:18:29 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:18:29 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] test
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Hey Tracy -

    Loud & Clear!  Now if I can only figure out how to cut 'n' paste like I
do on AOL, I'll be golden!  LOL
    Hope I get to see you in Israel in November!

    Shabbat Shalom Bro,
              *Hanoch
*

On 9/5/08, Tracy Osborne <tposborne77 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  Hey Brother Hanch,
>
> Can you hear me now?
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Hanoch Young <youngbarzel at gmail.com>
> To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
> Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 12:15:16 PM
> Subject: [Dialogue] test
>
> Hi folks,
>
>     I hope someone is able to read this....have had to switch to a gmail
> account from my AOL in order to get back on the list.
>
>     Anyway, hope to be posting again - I've got a week's worth of stuff to
> forward  :-)
>
>     Shabbat Shalom,
>             *Hanoch*
>
>
>
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 15:22:09 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:22:09 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] "The Mindset of War"
Message-ID: <855590370809051322g5b7d3658r23955df1f80543a6@mail.gmail.com>

  This was written 2 years ago, during the War In Lebanon, Part II
                       * Hanoch*
**
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The Mindset of War
Parashat Shoftim
Rabbi Yossef Carmel

The Shiur was given on 2 Elul 5766
>From "Chemdat Yamim" Parsha Sheet
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Dedicated to the memory of
*Asher Ben Haim*

These words are being written in the midst of the not yet named war in
Lebanon. We pray that by the time they meet the public's eyes, things will
have quieted down for the better.

The inspiring end of the tefilla for the welfare of IDF soldiers is taken
from our parasha. In explaining why Israel's troops should not fear the
perils of war, the kohen declares: "For Hashem, your G-d, goes with you to
fight for you against your enemies to save you" (Devarim 20:4). There is
much to learn from the participants in the "pre-battle rally."

The Torah refers to the audience of the declarations as ha'am (the nation),
instead of terms like the "army" and "men of war" used for combatants in
Parashat Matot. To borrow a phrase, this stresses the Israelite army's role
as the army of the people, by the people, for the people. Everyone is a
potential participant in the battle, some at the front, some in the home
guard, some in providing supplementary resources. All are to face the
dangers and challenges with a belief that Hashem is the ultimate warrior and
savior.

The declarations are divided into three (ibid. 20:3-10). First, the kohen
urges not to fear because of Hashem's participation. Next, the shotrim
(officers) announce that new homeowners, those with vineyards from which
they had not yet eaten, and the betrothed who had not yet wed should go home
lest they die before reaching fulfillment in the respective areas. Finally,
the shotrim continue urging the fearful and weak of heart to leave rather
than cause damage.

The Ramban points out that it is the religious leader who gives the most
upbeat forecast, that there is no reason to fear because Hashem can save
every soldier. This is tempered by the shotrim's "realistic" approach that
people should know that in the natural world, which Hashem ordained,
soldiers fall even from the victors. We might add that this second section
is passed on by the shotrim only after the kohen recites it to them (Sota
43a). Indeed, there is no philosophical debate; rather the Torah wants the
appropriate articulators to leave the fitting tone on each element of the
complex situation.

The first declaration opens with the words "Shema Yisrael." R. Shimon Bar
Yochai, who spurned involvement in the mundane elements of life and urged a
life of Torah study and spirituality alone (see Berachot 35b & Shabbat 31a),
said the following fascinating thing. Even if the only merit they have is
reciting Shema Yisrael, they are fit to be victorious. That does not seem to
be raising the bar too high. One might have guessed that the people would be
warned to either repent fully or be smitten, using fear as an impetus for
change, as the prophets did and as we do on Yom Kippur. Apparently, the
Torah felt that the wartime is a time to concentrate on the soldiers'
positive spirit. After a militarily successful campaign, focus can shift to
spiritual gains.

May we be successful in all these realms now and in the future.
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From tposborne77 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  5 16:36:19 2008
From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:36:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] test
Message-ID: <843452.72780.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well I guess you figured it out. Yeah, I hope you're able to make it!! 

Shabbat Shalom Bro,
Tracy



----- Original Message ----
From: Hanoch Young <youngbarzel at gmail.com>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 1:18:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] test


Hey Tracy - 

??? Loud & Clear!? Now if I can only figure out how to cut 'n' paste like I do on AOL, I'll be golden!? LOL
??? Hope I get to see you in Israel in November!

??? Shabbat Shalom Bro,
????????????? Hanoch

?
On 9/5/08, Tracy Osborne <tposborne77 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
Hey Brother Hanch,
Can you hear me now?
Tracy

?


----- Original Message ----
From: Hanoch Young <youngbarzel at gmail.com>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 12:15:16 PM
Subject: [Dialogue] test


Hi folks, 

??? I hope someone is able to read this....have had to switch to a gmail account from my AOL in order to get back on the list.

??? Anyway, hope to be posting again - I've got a week's worth of stuff to forward? :-)

??? Shabbat Shalom,
??????????? Hanoch
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From correim at gninc.ca  Fri Sep  5 17:14:55 2008
From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:14:55 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] test
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Hi Hanoch
I got it, looks like your back, welcome to hear from you again.


Cornie



Hanoch Young wrote:
> Hi folks,
>  
>     I hope someone is able to read this....have had to switch to a 
> gmail account from my AOL in order to get back on the list.
>  
>     Anyway, hope to be posting again - I've got a week's worth of 
> stuff to forward  :-)
>  
>     Shabbat Shalom,
>             */ Hanoch /*
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sat Sep  6 19:52:37 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:52:37 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] =?windows-1255?q?FW=3A_Betty=2C_Shoftim_=96_Do_you_wa?=
	=?windows-1255?q?nt_to_knock_on_heavens_door=3F?=
Message-ID: <7C91ACA1D16A4486ADE538A8C88A82BE@bettylaptop>

 

 

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From: Betty Givin [mailto:bkgivin at charter.net] 
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 7:51 PM
To: 'UI List'
Subject: FW: Betty, Shoftim ? Do you want to knock on heavens door?

 

Friends, I thought this teaching very relevant to us with its focus on the
individual and its references to Light and getting rid of negativity which
so often attacks us bears directly upon the message of Psalm 27  that is
read on a daily or twice daily basis between the first day of Elul up until
Yom Kippur in the 40 Days of T?shuvah Repentance.  Psalm 27 opens with the
powerful proclamation, HaShem is our Light and our Salvation!

 

Shavua tov all!

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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Nehora.Newsletter
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:50 PM
To: betty
Subject: Betty, Shoftim ? Do you want to knock on heavens door?

 



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Shoftim - Do you want to knock on heavens door? 

????-????? ???????????? ???-????????, ????????? ???? ??????? ??? ???
???????--??? ??????, ?????:  ????-?????? ????????? ???????, ???????????
??????? ?????????
"When you go to war against your enemies and see horses and chariots and an
army greater than yours, do not be afraid of them, because the LORD your
God, who brought you up out of Egypt, will be with you"

In Deuteronomy 20 we have the first set of instructions on what to do when
we go out to war against our enemies. The next set is in the next chapter
and is read from the Torah in the next parasha of Ki Teitze.

Moses delivers this message and tells the people that in the case of going
out to war, we should not fear because God that elevates us from Egypt is
with us.  Why does Moses mention Egypt and what is the connection to going
out to war. 

The word Egypt "?????????" appears 50 times in the Torah. The last
appearance of this word is in the verse before the last verse of the Torah.
Egypt symbolizes the strongest level of desire for the self and therefore
draws a lot of negativity. When Israelites were in Egypt they reached the
49th level of negativity. God sent Moses to elevate us from that negativity
and connect us to the highest level of light in this world, the Torah. 

Moses reminds us that God brought us up and he is with us on our path to
reach to the 50th gate of Light, which is the Level of Binah. Reaching that
heavenly gate requires us to go to war against the negativity that is
holding us down.  The encouragement that God is with us is to support us in
keeping the fight to win against negativity and make progress in going
toward the gate.

The High Priest, the Kohen, that is the channel of the light to the world,
tells the people to keep their certainty because God is walking with them to
fight for them against their enemies and will bring them to salvation.

Now the next step before going to war, the officers will talk to the people
and send home those who fall into few categories. One of them is a person
that built a house and didn't settle in it yet. This one should go home. 
20:7 if anyone become pledged to a woman and not married her?  He should go
home. 
In 20:8 "Is any man afraid or fainthearted? Let him go home so that his
brothers will not become disheartened too." He must go home before
corrupting the others with his fears and weak heart.
Without going into all the hidden codes and symbols in these verses, we need
to learn that the wars that the Torah talks about are always against the
negativity that surround us and the negativity inside of us.

The people that are not permitted or free from going to war are those with
incomplete vessel. They cannot hold the light and they must go home.
The weak hearted one doesn't have the certainty and therefore no affinity
with the light. He has a flawed vessel.  It is also the same reason to why
you cannot sacrifice an animal with a flaw. (see  17:1)

This week we read the codes to fight to remove negativity from our
environment. Next week is the war on the individual level. 

The lesson is that with certainty with the Light, we can channel the light
to do the work for us and remove negativity from our environment to bring us
closer to the 50th gate, to the level of Binah.

Opening the 50th gate will bring the final redemption. This is the reason
why Egypt mentioned 50 times in the Torah. The final appearance is in the
last two verses of the Torah.  The last letters of the last 4 words of the
Torah spells "????????", which means, will reign.  

The song of the see sang after the Israelites crossed the Red Sea and broke
out of the bondage of Egypt. That moment represent the past present and
future of the redemption. 

In Exodus 15:18 (at the end of the song of the see) we read "??????
????????, ??????? ?????." "God will reign forever and ever".  We see the
code word that represents the opening of the 50th gate and the revelation of
the Light of Binah.  The numerical value of the 4 words is 376, which is the
same value for the word peace "????" as in the finale peace. "?????? ??????,
?????? ??????; ?????? ????????, ??????? ?????" is in our daily prayer. It
says God is king, God was king and God will reign forever and ever. 

The first 6 words that connect present past and future equal 358, which is
Mashiach. The whole 8 words with the kolel (608+8) = 616 = "?????", "The
Torah".  No need to add explanation here. We can see the light clearly.

God wants us to hold his hand and to come closer and open the gate. This is
the purpose of creation. We had thrown down in order to come up. The road is
there, paved and with huge signs of light. Turn on your GPS.  Let us all go
there.

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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 19:59:17 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:59:17 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Sweet song to start the week
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Shavua tov/Buena Semana!

      I thought you might enjoy the link below, which has a 'sweet' song
:-)
                   * Hanoch*
Click here: YouTube - Sweet Home,
Jerusalem<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvKEHn9pbu4>
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sat Sep  6 20:21:59 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:21:59 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] - Wake Up Benei Israel!!!
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Joe, I just finished listing and watching the youtube presentations below
and heartily recommend that all watch it.  It was so very moving and parts
of it were so graphic, that I had to close my eyes to stay focused and
continue thru to the end.  It is easy for us to stay "cocooned" in our
seemingly safe portion of the world, but I do think the "wake up" call is
for all.all who love HaShem and Israel and want to take a active part in
relieving the heartaches of the world and its people.especially its innocent
children!  

 

Yes, Rachem!!!  May HaShem extend His Mercy to us all and help end all the
hate and violence and suffering.it must be deplorable in His eyes as it
should be to ours.

 

Thank you, Joe, for your sensitivity and for providing us with so many
meaningful posts and articles such as these.

 

Blessings and Shavua tov to you and all!

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:39 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] - Wake Up Benei Israel!!!

 

Shabbat Shalom Chaverim,

My heart goes out to all of you that have suffered damage caused by the
weather during the past week in Southern USA.
I hope that all services are back to normal in the face of the uncertainty
that still prevails due to the prospect of further hurricane activity in the
coming week.

Thank you Steve and Elisheva for your comments and links regarding the
current month of Elul.

I also hope that Hanoch will soon be resumed to the dialogue and that the
glitch will be rectified.

As we prepare for the first Shabbat of Elul, may we all experience a deep
and truthful understanding of Teshuva in the midst off all our trials and
tribulations ,as Elisheva rightfully expressed in her post ,and  maturely
grow towards a better understanding of HaShem, His Will, His Word and His
Glory.

Shabbat Shalom
JOE.
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Sat Sep  6 21:56:22 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:56:22 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
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Please forgive me, Cornie.  I have only just now seen this email from you.  As I read it, I just kept hoping that somehow Jamie will get to talk to Cody (maybe they will get to talk on the internet), because I feel Cody could be an encouragement to him, and I know he would love to help if he can.  I will continue to pray for your dear grandson.  I can tell you from firsthand experience that HaSHem will work in Jamie's life in absolutely miraculous ways if he'll just keep seeking after Him. It continually amazes me to watch as He works in my nephew's life.  He has only been in Israel a couple of weeks now, and HaSHem is already opening incredible doors .  He was approached on the street and asked if he would be willing to do a commercial for Israel's version of a CNN-type, all-news network, called Israel World News.  He told the girl who asked him that he would love to do it, and has now already made a couple of spot commercials for them, which he is very excited about doing because he wrote me that,  "The plan is to reach 300 million to bring the truth to the world.  The idea is to call out the politicians on their scandals and bring a Zionist point of view to fight anti-Semitic propaganda around the world."   

This is HaSHem's doing. Cody is a stranger in the Land and this opportunity literally came to him!  He didn't even have to look for it.  What I'm trying to say is that though I worried so much over the years about his trying to make it on his own with his belief in the One G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, HE WAS NEVER REALLY ALONE!!!!  G-d was leading him every step of the way, and He will lead Jamie too.  Try not to be too grieved over the difficulties you are seeing Jamie have to face.  Just keep praying, and we will keep praying too.  Our G-d is awesome!!!

I pray Psalm 91 over Cody, and I have him pray it over himself as well.  And now I'm praying it over Jamie.

CHAZAK, CHAZAK, DEAR FRIEND!!!!!  May HaSHem strengthen us all.

Love,

Pat    






  


From: Cornie Reimer 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:47 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara


My dear brothers and sisters 
I woke up storm tossed and afflicted too, as it were. It is the time of Alul, for real even for an old man like me, one of no apparent significance at all, that is, if I were to hold on to what I have been made to believe for most of my entire life. I normally should sleep another 3 or 4 hours in order to be able to go to work at 7 in the morning. But since I found such a storm brewing in my mind. I decided to put my ear phones on and listen to the last part of a CD from Rabbi Lazer Brody called "Pleased yo meet you"! I had heard it a couple of times but had always fallen asleep before I heard it all. What I heard this time was brought to my attention that it is advisable to ask Hashem for advice about everything we face in life, if we desire His blessings on it. 

So instead of falling asleep again, the burden became heavier, so I was prompted to read the weekly (not the daily one) writing from Rabbi Abrahan Greenbaum. Which again prompted me to go to Joshua 8, referring to Joshua leading , to Israel's totally destroying every soul of their enemy in Ai, and burning the city. And it referred and led to all of Israel being gathered on the 2 mountains to hear the blessings and the curses, according to their choice, just before entering into the promised land. Now this was no child's play. To receive the blessings, always upon their choices, they would need to heed the advice of Hashem. 

I wonder if He hears my cry? In other words, am I heeding His advice when He clearly speaks to me? Or am I crusted over with a hard shell of Mennonitism yet, that Hashem can not get through to me? I lately shared about the case with my grandson Jamie, there was such a response from the group praying for Jamie. I felt comforted just to know that it did not rest on my prayers alone. I have since talked twice to Jamie's used to be host Cohen, for those 3 weeks, and have not had the chance to talk with Jamie himself. But what I have heard from Cohen, that German couple with whom Jamie was staying. And really he didn't have hardly anything good to say about Jamie. When or what I'm reading between the lines, is a little different than what he is saying though. Now , let's keep in mind, these people are Sabbath keepers, and have left a church of a couple of million members, but he does not want to reveal the name of that church.  It seems quite obvious though that could hardly be any other than the World Wide Church of God, the adventists. Very nice people, he is quite open too, but very easily seems to believe that demonic power is involved. So when Jamie had some Lazer Brody material brought into their house, they saw demons on the walls, so that stuff had to leave the house. He also confirmed quite clearly that Jamie was demon influenced, yet he did not turn against me for being the instigator of that Jewish material. Before Jamie left from their house he had told Cohen, (that is his first name) that he, Jamie was not Jewish minded anymore. I just find it a very hard to hear this being said about Jamie. When it is quite obvious that Jamie will have found himself short changed, thinking he was finally coming into a Jewish relations by staying with these people. Only to find they were Christians too. But I am so glad to have this consolation that some of you prayer wariours are or have been praying for him. Please don't quit!

And Joe, when we talked you suggested that I should not try to lead Jamie, but just walk beside him, and allow him to make his own choices, but to let him know that I'll be there when he needs me. Beautiful advice. I realize it is OK even if he makes some wrong choices. And that really is all I did with Jamie, I allowed him to make choices. But seems like what took years to build up any interest in the chosen people of God for one like Jamie, can  in one stroke all be destroyed by these different, but well meaning Christians.   

I do realize that for Jamie to find his way through this maze will take a miracle. His heart seems to be a bit hardened by what he has been through.  

Cornie


    


YoungBarzel at aol.com wrote: 


        Haftarah of Parshat Re'eh - 5760 

        "Afflicted and Storm-Tossed One, and Not Comforted" 
        (Yeshayahu 54:11) 

        The Haftarah of Re'eh is the third of the "Haftarot of Consolation," in the series of seven such Haftarot.  Both the Ashkenazic and Sefardic communities take this Haftarah from the Book of Yeshayahu, beginning with "Perek"/Chapter 54, Verse 11, through (and including) Chapter 55, Verse 5. 

        Introduction 

        In the conversation that Avudraham constructs from these Haftarot, among HaShem, His Prophets and the People of Israel, this is the one in which the People of Israel complains that it is not comforted, because it is receiving the consolation indirectly, from the Prophets, rather than from HaShem.  Next week, the Master of the Universe gets into the act, when He says, "I, even I (using the unusual form 'Anochi) am the One Who comforts you" (Yeshayahu 51:12).  But in truth, HaShem already has declared Himself to be the "Menachem," the Comforter, in this Haftarah, where He says in the first "Passuk" (54:11), 

        "Behold, I ('Anochi') will set your stones in fair colors," 
        and again in "Passuk" (54:16), 

        "Behold, it is I ("Anochi") Who created the blacksmith, 
        Who blows fire on the coals, 
        And brings forth a weapon for his work, 
        And I ("Anochi") created the destroyer to undo him."   

        The Haftarah - Translation and Commentary   

        Yeshayahu 54:11 

        "O afflicted and storm-tossed one,
        And not comforted,
        Behold, I will set your stones in fair colors,
        And lay your foundations with sapphires."   

        All the commentators relate this promise of comfort to Yerushalayim.  Targum Yonatan says, "?the walls about which the nations of the world said that you would never be comforted, HaShem says, "I will lay its foundation with diamonds." 

        Yeshayahu 54:12 

        "And I will make your pinnacles of rubies,
        And your gates of iridescent diamonds;
        And all your borders of precious stone."   

        I will return to the City of Jerusalem, once a beautiful "wonder of the world," its aspect of physical beauty.  But that's not all. 

        Yeshayahu 54:13 

        "And all your children shall be taught by HaShem,
        And great will be the peace of your children." 

        The situation will be the opposite of that described by Yirmiyahu in the Haftarah of Parshat Masei (Yirmiyahu 2:8), the Second of the "Haftarot of Punishment,"   

        "The Priests did not ask, 'Where is HaShem?'
        And the "scholars" of Torah did not know me?" 

        RADAK points out that this idea is like that stated by Yirmiyahu,   

        "No longer will one person have to teach another, because everybody will know Me, from children to adults." 

        And this "Passuk" is also the source of the following Talmudic statement (Masechet Berachot 64a), "Rabbi Elazar said in the name of Rabbi Chanina, 'Torah scholars increase peace in the world,' as it is said, 'And all your children will be taught by  HaShem, and great will be the peace of your children;' do not read 'your children' (banayich), but 'your builders' (bonayich)." 

        Yeshayahu 54:14 

        "In righteousness shall you be established -
        Stay far away from oppression,
        Then you will have no reason to fear,
        Or to feel terror,
        For they will not approach you."   

        You will once again be the City described in Yeshayahu 1:21 as "full of Justice, in which Righteousness would lodge?" 

        Yeshayahu 54:15-17 

        "Behold, they may gather together,
        But not be sent by Me,
        Whoever conspires against you will fall." 

        "Behold, I have created the blacksmith,
        Who blows fire on the coals,
        Who brings forth a weapon for his work,
        But I have created the destroyer to undo him."   

        "No weapon made to attack you will succeed,
        And every tongue that speaks against you shall fail;
        This is the heritage of the servants of the L-rd
        And their just reward from Me,
        Says HaShem."   

        HaShem says, "I am the One Who brought against you enemies whose aim was to  destroy you, such as Sancheriv and Nevuchadnezzar, because I used them to punish  you when you rebelled against Me.  But now, your enemies have no authorization from  Me.  They are Gog and Magog, who will fight against you immediately prior to the  Coming of the Mashiach, and be defeated by you.  And when they attack you in the  Halls of "Diplomacy" (such as the UN, Oslo or Wye (Why indeed?)), with false speech,  where you will find "Long has my soul dwelt with those who hate peace; I am for peace - but when I speak, they are plotting for war" ("Tehillim"/Psalms 120:7), I will help you defeat them there as well." 

        The following chapter in Yeshayahu is dedicated to two great themes: Torah and Teshuvah, Repentance.  The first five P'sukim, that are part of our Haftarah, deal with Torah, the precious gift from HaShem to us and, through us, to humanity at large.  The rest of the Perek deals with Teshuvah and, appropriately, is read as the Haftarah on a "Taanit Tzibbur," a Public Fast Day, the purpose of which is the arousal of feelings of Repentance. 

        Yeshayahu 55:1 

        "Ho, everyone who is thirsty, come for water;
        And he that has no money,
        Come, buy and eat,
        Come buy wine and milk
        Without money and without price." 

        "Mayim," the "Drink of Life," means here and in many other locations, the Torah.  Here, Yeshayahu points to our priceless possession, the Torah.   

        The Torah, for our People, is as vital as is water.  We are destined to be Teachers of Torah to the world, who ultimately will seek it and value it as they do food and drink. 

        Yeshayahu 55:2   

        "Why do you spend your money on that which is not bread?
        And you expend effort to purchase 
        That which does not satisfy?
        Listen carefully to Me and eat that which is good,
        And let your soul delight in richness!" 

        RADAK understands this Passuk as strongly advocating the study of Torah, which is called "good" in the verse, "for I have given you a good teaching; do not forsake My Torah!" ("Mishlei"/Proverbs 4:2) 

        And further, that the part of the Passuk that speaks of delighting the soul also speaks of the Torah, and is referring to the World-to-Come, for just as something that is fat and rich delights the body, so is the Torah a delight for the soul. 

        Yeshayahu 55:3 

        "Incline your ear, and come to Me,
        Hear, and your soul shall live,
        And I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
        Like the everlasting kindnesses I have shown to David."  

        RADAK understands this Passuk as referring to the time of the Mashiach, when the everlasting kindness that HaShem showed to David will be revealed in the person of the Mashiach, who will be a descendant of the House of David. 

        Metzudat David also understands the Passuk to mean "Obey Me, and you will merit to be brought back to life at the time of the Mashiach." 

        Yeshayahu 55:4 

        "Behold I have given him as a witness to the nations,
        A prince and a commander for the nations."   

        RADAK again relates this Passuk to the Mashiach, whose greatness will compel the nations of the world to accept him as their commander. 

        Yeshayahu 55:5 

        "Behold you shall call a nation that you did not know,
        And a nation who did not know of you
        Will now run to you;
        Because HaShem your G-d,
        The Holy One of Israel,
        Has glorified you." 

        Metzudat David explains that just as I have fulfilled My kindness with David, will I fulfill My Promise of Kindness to you.  And this will be manifested in that nations from the ends of the earth will come and do your bidding, because they sense in your behavior the special quality of holiness, implanted in you by the Presence in your midst of the Holy One of Israel. 

        Rabbi Pinchas Frankel 

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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 07:41:48 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 05:41:48 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] "Lost Jews" are being 'woken up'
Message-ID: <855590370809070541n5e3062bai298af64ea55f5570@mail.gmail.com>

And this is from one of the most obscure Jewish communities of
history....another "coincidence," that it's happening NOW, right?  :-)
                                          * Hanoch

**Descendants of centuries-old Jewish community in China's Kaifeng
rediscover Jewish heritage after near complete assimilation in local
community*
Rami Tal Published:  09.01.08,

In Chinese terms, the city of Kaifeng, about 500 miles southwest of Beijing,
is reminiscent of the Israeli city of Hadera: The number of its residents is
700,000 ? as opposed to Beijing's 15 million or Shanghai's 20 million ? and
it doesn't even have its own airport.

However, a thousand years ago, Kaifeng was the capital of the Chinese
empire, the largest, richest and most advanced in the world at the time,
with 600,000 residents that made it the most populated city on earth.

Ancient Kaifeng had a Jewish community ? a small but thriving one, whose
story is unique in the history of the Jewish people. For the 800 years of
its existence, Kaifeng's Jews never suffered from persecution or
discrimination. The Chinese authorities, as well as the general population,
welcomed their Jewish neighbors, viewed20them as citizens in every respect
and allowed them to observe their religion with complete freedom.

In spite, or perhaps because of these freedoms, the community dwindled until
about one hundred and fifty years ago, when the assimilation and integration
proved complete. It is only in the past 20 years that the descendents of
Kaifeng Jewry, who now number about 1,000 people, have rediscovered their
Jewish tradition. Some of them have considered undergoing proper conversion
and making aliyah, and a few of them have done so already.

Thirty-year-old Shi Lei does not try to hide his excitement when he takes
his guest, an Israeli journalist, to the central room in his parents' home.
His family, which is of Jewish descent, has lived in this home for more than
100 years. After the death of his grandmother and grandfather, Shi, together
with his father, turned this room into a mini-museum and a small Jewish
center, where he gives classes on Jewish tradition to children and adults of
Jewish descent.

Shi Lei, who graduated with a degree in English from the University of
Kaifeng, spent close to three years in
Israel<http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/unescape(this.href)>studying
at Jerusalem's Machon Meir and at Bar-Ilan University: "I was the
first person from Kaifeng that studied in Israel. I was privileged to
receive a wonderful=2 0welcome at the Machon Meir yeshiva, and I was treated
as a Jew in every respect, although I am not technically a Jew according to
Jewish law, and had not yet undergone conversion.

 "I decided to return to Kaifeng and to develop my mini-museum, because if I
would leave here then there would be no one to teach the younger generation.
We feel connected to the Jewish people and to the State of Israel ? it's in
our blood."

 An emperor's welcome

It is not clear when exactly the first Jews came to China or when the Jewish
community in Kaifeng was formed. In the prophecy of the redemption in the
book of Isaiah it states: "See, they will come from afar ? some from the
north, some from the west, some from the region of Sinim ("Chinese")"
(Isaiah, 49:12); but biblical scholars agree that the verse does not speak
of China per se. Some claim that the Jews of Kaifeng are descendents of the
Ten Lost Tribes. Others theorize that they came to China in the second
century following the downfall of the Jews in the Bar Kokhva revolt
(132-135CE).

DNA testing done over the past few years on the descendents of the Kaifeng
Jews, proved them distant relatives of Armenian, Iranian and Iraqi Jews.
Most of the researchers, as well as the Kaifeng descendents themselves, tend
to suggest that the original Jews in China were merchants from Persia that
came by way of the Silk Route (in today's southern Turkey) to the city of
Xian in central China.

0AHistorical references and archaeological findings have proven that the
Persian Jews first arrive in China in the eighth century; and since the
long, difficult journey made family life difficult, the solution was to
establish a permanent base in China. The location of choice was Kaifeng ?
China's capital from 927BC to 1127AD.

A stone tablet dating back to the 1489 Kaifeng synagogue ? which is now in
the city museum ? in inscribed with the following: "According to the
commandment of their god, the Jews came from Tian-Sho (Chinese for both
"India" and "every state to the west of China") with woven materials from
the west in their hands, meant as a gift for the emperor."

The last emperor, according to the tablet was pleased with the beautiful and
said "welcome to our country; dwell here and keep the customs of your
ancestors".

The emperor's warm welcome provided them with automatic Chinese citizenship,
not a trifle feat at a time the Jewish communities in Europe and the Muslim
countries were suffering persecution. It is believed that one of the reasons
for this show of tolerance was that the Chinese of the time did not have a
"religion" in the sense of any of the three monotheistic faiths: The common
practices of faith based on the teachings of Chinese philosopher Confucius,
were an array of ethical and behavioral codes more than the belief of
religious ordinances commanded by a higher power.

While each of the three monotheistic religions claims to s tate the absolute
truth god, Confucianism is willing peacefully coexist with any religious
belief. Kaifeng's Jews found it easy to adhere to Confucianism since it
doesn't require the recognition of a new Messiah or prophet and there was no
need to give up on the rules of keeping kosher or observing the holidays.

*Proud of their newfound heritage. Kaifeng Jews (Photo: Jean Shea)

*The ancient stone tablet also states that one of the emperors from the Ming
Dynasty (1368-1644) bestowed "the gift of incense" upon the Jewish
community. It was given to the Jewish doctor Yung-Ching who appears to have
been his personal physician. This indicates that Kaifeng's Jews used Chinese
names rather than Hebrew names, and incorporated a Chinese ceremony into
their religious rituals ? the lighting of incense.

Eligible bachelors

Kaifeng's Jews were away from any Jewish center, as they had no contact to
other Jewish communities around the world. At its peak, the community
numbered no more than 6,000 people. There was no yeshiva and the young
Jewish men that were interested in academic studies naturally attended the
local institutions, which cultivated knowledge of Chinese literature and
tradition. Given the circumstances, the chances of the small, isolated
Jewish community to maintain its unique features in20the hub of China were
remote.

According to researchers, another key to the demise of the Kaifeng community
lies in the fact that China was the first to allow all its residents to join
the top rank of government officials ? the Mandarins ? by taking
qualification exams.

Most of the Jews in Kaifeng were proficient in Chinese and some also in
Hebrew, which gave them an advantage over most of the residents in the
empire; and so the number of Jewish descendents that applied for the Beijing
positions was substantially higher than their actual representation in the
population.

After five years of study in the emperor's courtyard, they were sent to
various regions in the vast empire. If they hadn't married during their
years as students, they were certainly interested in doing so when they
began their government service, and as Mandarins, whose careers were mapped
out they were considered eligible bachelors. Excluding Kaifeng, however,
there were no eligible Jewish brides to be found in China, prompting the
assimilation further.

According to the information available, the Jewish community life in Kaifeng
came to a virtual halt about 150 years ago. The community synagogue existed
for almost 700 years, until 1854, when Kaifeng was flooded by the Hu?ng H? ?
the Yellow River. It was never rebuilt.

Although Kaifeng's Jews had already completely assimilated, their
descendants continued to observe several customs, like keeping kosher and
keeping Shabbat. Many=2 0continue to live the old city in the old section,
and the Jewish names of two of the neighborhood's streets still appear in
Hebrew and English. The community is now slated for an evacuation-renovation
project, like many of its Chinese counterparts.

Highly regarded second-rate citizens

When Mao Zedong took over China in 1949, his regime faced several dilemmas
pertaining to national minorities, as 20% of China was, and is, not
dominated by the Han ? the largest national group. In 1953 the new regime
decided to recognize 55 national minorities but the Youtai ? the Jews ? were
not one of them. Mao was rumored to have made the decision personally.

By that time, the majority of Jews living in Harbin and Shanghai had already
left China and the move was undoubtedly prompted by this decision; but there
is no doubt among scholars that the decision had nothing to do with
anti-Semitism, since China has never, to this day, demonstrated any signs of
anti-Semitism.

Jews enjoy a very positive image in China. The decision not to recognize
them is believed to have stemmed from sheer math ? they community was simply
too small ? a few hundred in a country of a billion people.

In the 1980's, as China started moving toward a free-market economy and
opened up to the West, Jews from Canada and the US came to Kaifeng and met
with the old community's descendants in the city. These visits strengthened
the Jewish awareness of the descendants.=2 0

In the last several years, Shavei Israel has been the main Jewish
organization that has been actively involved with the Kaifeng's Jewish
descendants. According to Michael Freund, an American Jew who made aliyah 13
years ago and is now heads Shavei Israel, the group is "the extended arm of
the Jewish people, and supplements the work of the Jewish Agency.

"We believe that strengthening the connection with them should be a top
priority for Israel. Since establishing contact with the Jews of Kaifeng, we
have translated numerous books and articles for them, and have provided them
with basic materials on Judaism and on Israel. Even more importantly, we
have already assisted 10 young adults from the community to make aliyah and
get settled here in the country".

While many of the descendants are interested in a much more intensive
connection with Jewish tradition, only a small group is interested in
immigrating to Israel and converting.

A bull in a china shop?

As of now, Shavei Israel's activities amongst the descendants of the Kaifeng
Jews do not enjoy the cooperation of any official Israeli bureau. Freund
frowns on what he calls Israel's ignoring of the Kaifeng Jewry, and claims
that that even though many of the Jewish descendants of Kaifeng are
interested in reconnecting with Israel, the staff of the Israeli Embassy in
Beijing refuse to give them the time of day.

The Foreign Ministry offered the following comment: "The Jewish community in
Kaifeng assimilated wi thin its host country completely by the 17th century.
There is no Jewish community in Kaifeng today, but some individuals are
aware of having some Jewish lineage and ancestry. Official Israeli delegates
have visited Kaifeng more than once and were impressed by the historical
connection it has to Jewish heritage."

The careful diplomatic wording suggests Freund's claim is not completely
farfetched, but things are far from simple: Foreign relation analysts warn
that Freund and his organization are the proverbial "bull in a china shop"
and may potentially harm the diplomatic relations between Israel and China.

"Russia aside, China has a great deal of influence over Iran," a foreign
relation expert told Yedioth Ahronoth. "Israel has to have China's assistant
on the Iranian front, as well as in an array of other political and
financial issued on the international community's level, where China is
becoming a significant force.

"The subject on national minorities in China is a very sensitive one,
because of the Tibet as well as due to the large Muslim minorities which
inhabit its west, where they border the Muslim republics of the former
Soviet Union," he continued. "The Chinese government is wary of
nationalistic movement which may turn separatists and try to break away from
it.

"Kaifeng's Jews are no such threat, of course, but Beijing wants top
maintain the status-quo. The Israeli government can't and shouldn't upset
the Chinese government over such a delicate matter."

On=2 0the ground, however, the Chinese authorities have yet to voice any
objection to Shavei Israel's activities in Kaifeng. Freund sees that as a
sign: "If some of Kaifeng's Jews decide to reclaim their Jewish heritage ?
as I believe they will ? it would make for some very important and
historical closure."
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 07:47:55 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 05:47:55 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Even more 'Lost Jews' are heading home
Message-ID: <855590370809070547g22fcfa16m4903dca4ddab7b3@mail.gmail.com>

  *From the jungles of Peru to Ramla, Jewish immigrants of Indian descent
prove nothing trumps need to connect with one's heritage
Moshe Ronen

*  This is a story of discovery. The story of 700 Indians, descendants of
Jewish tradesmen who emigrated from Morocco to the Amazonas more than 150
years ago, who reconnected with their Jewish heritage and came to
Israel<http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284752,00.html>.


Since the summer of 2005, hundreds of Jewish Indians have made their way
from the jungles of Brazil to Israel. Originally settling in Beersheba,
those immigrating over the last couple of year have made their home in
Ramla.

But how did they come to be in the Amazonas? And what's Morocco have to do
with it? Well, as the story goes, about 150 year ago, when the world's
rubber industry was starting to develop, several Moroccan Jews ? rubber
tradesmen ? arrived in South America.

They made their way up the Amazonas River, from Brazil to Peru, where they
were able to cultivate rubber trees ? or as they are called - Hevea
Brasiliensis ? the Par? rubber tree.

In those days, foreigners found it difficult to travel safely though the
jungles and the native Indians were their guides. The Jewish merchants had
no wives, and ended up marrying the local Indian women.

Mixed flavors Flashing forwards, up until 20 years ago, Judaism was nothing
more than a distant memory for this community, living through a handful of
religious customs practices by a few of the families living in the Amazonas.

But then, a chance encounter changed it all: "In the 1980s, a Jewish family,
the Aderi's, came to our village and every time my father would go pass
their store, the owner would say 'hola senior Messiah' ? he recognized our
name as a Jewish one," Kelly Messia, an Indian who came to Israel three
years ago, told Yedioth Ahronoth Monday.

The village had no synagogue, but=2 0the Messia family became an inseparable
part of the Aderi's Shabbat practices. "All of a sudden we began discovering
our Jewish roots. We're mixed Indians: My mother's father came from Brazil
and his ancestors came from Spain, and may have been decedents of the
Spanish Jews forces to convert.

"My husband's name is Italian and his ancestors were apparently Italian
Jews, so actually, we're all over the place," she said.

Most of the Indians who came to Israel are decedents of the Levy family,
which lived in the jungle village of Kontmana. Sandro Levy believes there
some 150 of his kin living in Ramla today.

"My grandfather came to Peru from Morocco in the 19th century," he said. "My
mother always told us that there were other Jewish families in our village,
all with Moroccan roots."

Some of the Jewish Indians tell of families fleeing to the jungles for fear
of anti-Semitic persecution in Europe; some trace their roots back to the
Jewish community in France, but the majorities are decedents of Moroccan
Jews; and all of them tell tales of modern persecution.

Burden of proof So how does one reconnect with one's heritage? "Everyone
wants to know about his roots," said Kelly's daughter, Baji, 25. "When I was
a little girl we didn't talk about being Jewish ? my grandmother kept the
family history a secret. Everyone in South America is Catholic and we didn't
want to be different.

"It was only when I was 20 that we began observing some of the customs and
we tried to get in touch with the Jewish community in Peru, to see if we can
come to Israel."

The Jewish community in Lima, however, was less than enthused. "They told us
there was absolutely no way we could be Jewish. The Orthodox rabbis wouldn't
even talk to us," said Baji. "Only one Conservative rabbi, Rabbi Bronstein,
paid any attention to us and after meeting with us he agreed to perform a
conversion."

Word of the conversion soon swept the villages and in late 2004, three
Conservative rabbis ? from Chile, Argentina and New York ? came to the
village of Ikitos and formed a rabbinical court of conversions.

In the lack of a proper mikveh, the ritual of purity ? the immersing in
water ? took place in a nearby river, closely supervised by the rabbis. By
the summer of 2005, they were all on their way to Israel.

Homecoming The Indian immigration became a project near and dear to the
Ramla Municipality. "These are motivated people, who want to make a place
for themselves here," Amir Vider, head of the Ramla Municipality immigration
absorption department, told Yedioth Ahronoth.

"They are a welcome addition to Israel, and a most welcome one to Ramla."

The City has lunched a special initiative ? Project Parents ? to help ease
the Indians' way into Israeli society. As part of the project, the City
assigns each family with a "parent", who takes them through everything ?
from meeting them at the arrival's gate at Ben Gurion International Airport,
through finding an apartment, signing up for health care and registering the
kids in schools to grocery shopping.

"They come from a completely different culture and they need time to get
used to everything," explained Vider. "Once they feel comfortable, they want
the rest of their family to come to Ramla as well."

The once thing that angers the new community is the constant innuendo
implying they only came to Israel in order to better their financial status.


    "We love this country," states Sandro Levy. "Both my brothers are
serving in the army, and we all have jobs. We're happy here."

Mary, his mother , agrees: "We're Zionists," she said. "Unlike the first
olim that got here and found nothing, we've found everything. Of course
we're happy here ? this is paradise."
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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Sat Sep  6 09:47:16 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:47:16 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Sweet song to start the week
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Hanoch,

 

Can't wait for the Enuma project CD.  They have said for years the "South is
gonna rise again"!

  _____  

From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Hanoch Young
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:59 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] Sweet song to start the week

 

Shavua tov/Buena Semana! 

 

      I thought you might enjoy the link below, which has a 'sweet' song
:-)

                    Hanoch

Click here: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvKEHn9pbu4>  YouTube - Sweet
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From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep  7 12:13:31 2008
From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:13:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
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Dear Cornie:
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I am continuing to pray for Jamie and for you too. Hashem knows where he is and is watching over him. May Jamie cry out to his heavenly Father to lead,guide and protect him and may he be aware of Hashem's presence, May it be soon that Jamie will?find the solace and comfort he needs?in his search for truth. Kind regards,,Helen
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P.S. Sorry this is late, but I have been away in NC for almost a week visiting family.



From: Cornie Reimer <correim at gninc.ca>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 9:47 PM


My dear brothers and sisters 
I woke up storm tossed and afflicted too, as it were. It is the time of Alul, for real even for an old man like me, one of no apparent significance at all, that is, if I were to hold on to what I have been made to believe for most of my entire life. I normally should sleep another 3 or 4 hours in order to be able to go to work at 7 in the morning. But since I found such a storm brewing in my mind. I decided to put my ear phones on and listen to the last part of a CD from Rabbi Lazer Brody called "Pleased yo meet you"! I had heard it a couple of times but had always fallen asleep before I heard it all. What I heard this time was brought to my attention that it is advisable to ask Hashem for advice about everything we face in life, if we desire His blessings on it. 

So instead of falling asleep again, the burden became heavier, so I was prompted to read the weekly (not the daily one) writing from Rabbi Abrahan Greenbaum. Which again prompted me to go to Joshua 8, referring to Joshua leading , to Israel's totally destroying every soul of their enemy in Ai, and burning the city. And it referred and led to all of Israel being gathered on the 2 mountains to hear the blessings and the curses, according to their choice, just before entering into the promised land. Now this was no child's play. To receive the blessings, always upon their choices, they would need to heed the advice of Hashem. 

I wonder if He hears my cry? In other words, am I heeding His advice when He clearly speaks to me? Or am I crusted over with a hard shell of Mennonitism yet, that Hashem can not get through to me? I lately shared about the case with my grandson Jamie, there was such a response from the group praying for Jamie. I felt comforted just to know that it did not rest on my prayers alone. I have since talked twice to Jamie's used to be host Cohen, for those 3 weeks, and have not had the chance to talk with Jamie himself. But what I have heard from Cohen, that German couple with whom Jamie was staying. And really he didn't have hardly anything good to say about Jamie. When or what I'm reading between the lines, is a little different than what he is saying though. Now , let's keep in mind, these people are Sabbath keepers, and have left a church of a couple of million members, but he does not want to reveal the name of that church.? It seems quite obvious though
 that could hardly be any other than the World Wide Church of God, the adventists. Very nice people, he is quite open too, but very easily seems to believe that demonic power is involved. So when Jamie had some Lazer Brody material brought into their house, they saw demons on the walls, so that stuff had to leave the house. He also confirmed quite clearly that Jamie was demon influenced, yet he did not turn against me for being the instigator of that Jewish material. Before Jamie left from their house he had told Cohen, (that is his first name) that he, Jamie was not Jewish minded anymore. I just find it a very hard to hear this being said about Jamie. When it is quite obvious that Jamie will have found himself short changed, thinking he was finally coming into a Jewish relations by staying with these people. Only to find they were Christians too. But I am so glad to have this consolation that some of you prayer wariours are or have been praying for him.
 Please don't quit!

And Joe, when we talked you suggested that I should not try to lead Jamie, but just walk beside him, and allow him to make his own choices, but to let him know that I'll be there when he needs me. Beautiful advice. I realize it is OK even if he makes some wrong choices. And that really is all I did with Jamie, I allowed him to make choices. But seems like what took years to build up any interest in the chosen people of God for one like Jamie, can? in one stroke all be destroyed by these different, but well meaning Christians. ? 

I do realize that for Jamie to find his way through this maze will take a miracle. His heart seems to be a bit hardened by what he has been through.? 

Cornie


? ? 


YoungBarzel at aol.com wrote: 







Haftarah of Parshat Re'eh - 5760 
"Afflicted and Storm-Tossed One, and Not Comforted"?
(Yeshayahu 54:11) 
The Haftarah of Re'eh is the third of the "Haftarot of Consolation," in the series of seven such Haftarot.? Both the Ashkenazic and Sefardic communities take this Haftarah from the Book of Yeshayahu, beginning with "Perek"/Chapter 54, Verse 11, through (and including) Chapter 55, Verse 5. 
Introduction 
In the conversation that Avudraham constructs from these Haftarot, among HaShem, His Prophets and the People of Israel, this is the one in which the People of Israel complains that it is not comforted, because it is receiving the consolation indirectly, from the Prophets, rather than from HaShem.? Next week, the Master of the Universe gets into the act, when He says, "I, even I (using the unusual form 'Anochi) am the One Who comforts you" (Yeshayahu 51:12).? But in truth, HaShem already has declared Himself to be the "Menachem," the Comforter, in this Haftarah, where He says in the first "Passuk" (54:11), 
"Behold, I ('Anochi') will set your stones in fair colors,"?
and again in "Passuk" (54:16),?
"Behold, it is I ("Anochi") Who created the blacksmith,?
Who blows fire on the coals,?
And brings forth a weapon for his work,?
And I ("Anochi") created the destroyer to undo him." ? 
The Haftarah - Translation and Commentary ? 
Yeshayahu 54:11 
"O afflicted and storm-tossed one,
And not comforted,
Behold, I will set your stones in fair colors,
And lay your foundations with sapphires." ? 
All the commentators relate this promise of comfort to Yerushalayim.? Targum Yonatan says, "?the walls about which the nations of the world said that you would never be comforted, HaShem says, "I will lay its foundation with diamonds." 
Yeshayahu 54:12 
"And I will make your pinnacles of rubies,
And your gates of iridescent diamonds;
And all your borders of precious stone." ? 
I will return to the City of Jerusalem, once a beautiful "wonder of the world," its aspect of physical beauty.? But that's not all. 
Yeshayahu 54:13 
"And all your children shall be taught by HaShem,
And great will be the peace of your children." 
The situation will be the opposite of that described by Yirmiyahu in the Haftarah of Parshat Masei (Yirmiyahu 2:8), the Second of the "Haftarot of Punishment," ? 
"The Priests did not ask, 'Where is HaShem?'
And the "scholars" of Torah did not know me?" 
RADAK points out that this idea is like that stated by Yirmiyahu, ? 
"No longer will one person have to teach another, because everybody will know Me, from children to adults." 
And this "Passuk" is also the source of the following Talmudic statement (Masechet Berachot 64a), "Rabbi Elazar said in the name of Rabbi Chanina, 'Torah scholars increase peace in the world,' as it is said, 'And all your children will be taught by? HaShem, and great will be the peace of your children;' do not read 'your children' (banayich), but 'your builders' (bonayich)." 
Yeshayahu 54:14 
"In righteousness shall you be established -
Stay far away from oppression,
Then you will have no reason to fear,
Or to feel terror,
For they will not approach you." ? 
You will once again be the City described in Yeshayahu 1:21 as "full of Justice, in which Righteousness would lodge?" 
Yeshayahu 54:15-17 
"Behold, they may gather together,
But not be sent by Me,
Whoever conspires against you will fall." 
"Behold, I have created the blacksmith,
Who blows fire on the coals,
Who brings forth a weapon for his work,
But I have created the destroyer to undo him." ? 
"No weapon made to attack you will succeed,
And every tongue that speaks against you shall fail;
This is the heritage of the servants of the L-rd
And their just reward from Me,
Says HaShem." ? 
HaShem says, "I am the One Who brought against you enemies whose aim was to? destroy you, such as Sancheriv and Nevuchadnezzar, because I used them to punish? you when you rebelled against Me.? But now, your enemies have no authorization from? Me.? They are Gog and Magog, who will fight against you immediately prior to the? Coming of the Mashiach, and be defeated by you.? And when they attack you in the? Halls of "Diplomacy" (such as the UN, Oslo or Wye (Why indeed?)), with false speech,? where you will find "Long has my soul dwelt with those who hate peace; I am for peace - but when I speak, they are plotting for war" ("Tehillim"/Psalms 120:7), I will help you defeat them there as well." 
The following chapter in Yeshayahu is dedicated to two great themes: Torah and Teshuvah, Repentance.? The first five P'sukim, that are part of our Haftarah, deal with Torah, the precious gift from HaShem to us and, through us, to humanity at large.? The rest of the Perek deals with Teshuvah and, appropriately, is read as the Haftarah on a "Taanit Tzibbur," a Public Fast Day, the purpose of which is the arousal of feelings of Repentance. 
Yeshayahu 55:1 
"Ho, everyone who is thirsty, come for water;
And he that has no money,
Come, buy and eat,
Come buy wine and milk
Without money and without price." 
"Mayim," the "Drink of Life," means here and in many other locations, the Torah.? Here, Yeshayahu points to our priceless possession, the Torah. ? 
The Torah, for our People, is as vital as is water.? We are destined to be Teachers of Torah to the world, who ultimately will seek it and value it as they do food and drink. 
Yeshayahu 55:2 ? 
"Why do you spend your money on that which is not bread?
And you expend effort to purchase?
That which does not satisfy?
Listen carefully to Me and eat that which is good,
And let your soul delight in richness!" 
RADAK understands this Passuk as strongly advocating the study of Torah, which is called "good" in the verse, "for I have given you a good teaching; do not forsake My Torah!" ("Mishlei"/Proverbs 4:2) 
And further, that the part of the Passuk that speaks of delighting the soul also speaks of the Torah, and is referring to the World-to-Come, for just as something that is fat and rich delights the body, so is the Torah a delight for the soul. 
Yeshayahu 55:3 
"Incline your ear, and come to Me,
Hear, and your soul shall live,
And I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
Like the everlasting kindnesses I have shown to David."? 
RADAK understands this Passuk as referring to the time of the Mashiach, when the everlasting kindness that HaShem showed to David will be revealed in the person of the Mashiach, who will be a descendant of the House of David. 
Metzudat David also understands the Passuk to mean "Obey Me, and you will merit to be brought back to life at the time of the Mashiach." 
Yeshayahu 55:4 
"Behold I have given him as a witness to the nations,
A prince and a commander for the nations." ? 
RADAK again relates this Passuk to the Mashiach, whose greatness will compel the nations of the world to accept him as their commander. 
Yeshayahu 55:5 
"Behold you shall call a nation that you did not know,
And a nation who did not know of you
Will now run to you;
Because HaShem your G-d,
The Holy One of Israel,
Has glorified you." 
Metzudat David explains that just as I have fulfilled My kindness with David, will I fulfill My Promise of Kindness to you.? And this will be manifested in that nations from the ends of the earth will come and do your bidding, because they sense in your behavior the special quality of holiness, implanted in you by the Presence in your midst of the Holy One of Israel. 
Rabbi Pinchas Frankel 
Rabbi Frankel is an Educational C oordinator at the OU 



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From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Sep  7 12:13:32 2008
From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:13:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
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Dear Cornie:
?
I am continuing to pray for Jamie and for you too. Hashem knows where he is and is watching over him. May Jamie cry out to his heavenly Father to lead,guide and protect him and may he be aware of Hashem's presence, May it be soon that Jamie will?find the solace and comfort he needs?in his search for truth. Kind regards,,Helen
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P.S. Sorry this is late, but I have been away in NC for almost a week visiting family.



From: Cornie Reimer <correim at gninc.ca>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 9:47 PM


My dear brothers and sisters 
I woke up storm tossed and afflicted too, as it were. It is the time of Alul, for real even for an old man like me, one of no apparent significance at all, that is, if I were to hold on to what I have been made to believe for most of my entire life. I normally should sleep another 3 or 4 hours in order to be able to go to work at 7 in the morning. But since I found such a storm brewing in my mind. I decided to put my ear phones on and listen to the last part of a CD from Rabbi Lazer Brody called "Pleased yo meet you"! I had heard it a couple of times but had always fallen asleep before I heard it all. What I heard this time was brought to my attention that it is advisable to ask Hashem for advice about everything we face in life, if we desire His blessings on it. 

So instead of falling asleep again, the burden became heavier, so I was prompted to read the weekly (not the daily one) writing from Rabbi Abrahan Greenbaum. Which again prompted me to go to Joshua 8, referring to Joshua leading , to Israel's totally destroying every soul of their enemy in Ai, and burning the city. And it referred and led to all of Israel being gathered on the 2 mountains to hear the blessings and the curses, according to their choice, just before entering into the promised land. Now this was no child's play. To receive the blessings, always upon their choices, they would need to heed the advice of Hashem. 

I wonder if He hears my cry? In other words, am I heeding His advice when He clearly speaks to me? Or am I crusted over with a hard shell of Mennonitism yet, that Hashem can not get through to me? I lately shared about the case with my grandson Jamie, there was such a response from the group praying for Jamie. I felt comforted just to know that it did not rest on my prayers alone. I have since talked twice to Jamie's used to be host Cohen, for those 3 weeks, and have not had the chance to talk with Jamie himself. But what I have heard from Cohen, that German couple with whom Jamie was staying. And really he didn't have hardly anything good to say about Jamie. When or what I'm reading between the lines, is a little different than what he is saying though. Now , let's keep in mind, these people are Sabbath keepers, and have left a church of a couple of million members, but he does not want to reveal the name of that church.? It seems quite obvious though
 that could hardly be any other than the World Wide Church of God, the adventists. Very nice people, he is quite open too, but very easily seems to believe that demonic power is involved. So when Jamie had some Lazer Brody material brought into their house, they saw demons on the walls, so that stuff had to leave the house. He also confirmed quite clearly that Jamie was demon influenced, yet he did not turn against me for being the instigator of that Jewish material. Before Jamie left from their house he had told Cohen, (that is his first name) that he, Jamie was not Jewish minded anymore. I just find it a very hard to hear this being said about Jamie. When it is quite obvious that Jamie will have found himself short changed, thinking he was finally coming into a Jewish relations by staying with these people. Only to find they were Christians too. But I am so glad to have this consolation that some of you prayer wariours are or have been praying for him.
 Please don't quit!

And Joe, when we talked you suggested that I should not try to lead Jamie, but just walk beside him, and allow him to make his own choices, but to let him know that I'll be there when he needs me. Beautiful advice. I realize it is OK even if he makes some wrong choices. And that really is all I did with Jamie, I allowed him to make choices. But seems like what took years to build up any interest in the chosen people of God for one like Jamie, can? in one stroke all be destroyed by these different, but well meaning Christians. ? 

I do realize that for Jamie to find his way through this maze will take a miracle. His heart seems to be a bit hardened by what he has been through.? 

Cornie


? ? 


YoungBarzel at aol.com wrote: 







Haftarah of Parshat Re'eh - 5760 
"Afflicted and Storm-Tossed One, and Not Comforted"?
(Yeshayahu 54:11) 
The Haftarah of Re'eh is the third of the "Haftarot of Consolation," in the series of seven such Haftarot.? Both the Ashkenazic and Sefardic communities take this Haftarah from the Book of Yeshayahu, beginning with "Perek"/Chapter 54, Verse 11, through (and including) Chapter 55, Verse 5. 
Introduction 
In the conversation that Avudraham constructs from these Haftarot, among HaShem, His Prophets and the People of Israel, this is the one in which the People of Israel complains that it is not comforted, because it is receiving the consolation indirectly, from the Prophets, rather than from HaShem.? Next week, the Master of the Universe gets into the act, when He says, "I, even I (using the unusual form 'Anochi) am the One Who comforts you" (Yeshayahu 51:12).? But in truth, HaShem already has declared Himself to be the "Menachem," the Comforter, in this Haftarah, where He says in the first "Passuk" (54:11), 
"Behold, I ('Anochi') will set your stones in fair colors,"?
and again in "Passuk" (54:16),?
"Behold, it is I ("Anochi") Who created the blacksmith,?
Who blows fire on the coals,?
And brings forth a weapon for his work,?
And I ("Anochi") created the destroyer to undo him." ? 
The Haftarah - Translation and Commentary ? 
Yeshayahu 54:11 
"O afflicted and storm-tossed one,
And not comforted,
Behold, I will set your stones in fair colors,
And lay your foundations with sapphires." ? 
All the commentators relate this promise of comfort to Yerushalayim.? Targum Yonatan says, "?the walls about which the nations of the world said that you would never be comforted, HaShem says, "I will lay its foundation with diamonds." 
Yeshayahu 54:12 
"And I will make your pinnacles of rubies,
And your gates of iridescent diamonds;
And all your borders of precious stone." ? 
I will return to the City of Jerusalem, once a beautiful "wonder of the world," its aspect of physical beauty.? But that's not all. 
Yeshayahu 54:13 
"And all your children shall be taught by HaShem,
And great will be the peace of your children." 
The situation will be the opposite of that described by Yirmiyahu in the Haftarah of Parshat Masei (Yirmiyahu 2:8), the Second of the "Haftarot of Punishment," ? 
"The Priests did not ask, 'Where is HaShem?'
And the "scholars" of Torah did not know me?" 
RADAK points out that this idea is like that stated by Yirmiyahu, ? 
"No longer will one person have to teach another, because everybody will know Me, from children to adults." 
And this "Passuk" is also the source of the following Talmudic statement (Masechet Berachot 64a), "Rabbi Elazar said in the name of Rabbi Chanina, 'Torah scholars increase peace in the world,' as it is said, 'And all your children will be taught by? HaShem, and great will be the peace of your children;' do not read 'your children' (banayich), but 'your builders' (bonayich)." 
Yeshayahu 54:14 
"In righteousness shall you be established -
Stay far away from oppression,
Then you will have no reason to fear,
Or to feel terror,
For they will not approach you." ? 
You will once again be the City described in Yeshayahu 1:21 as "full of Justice, in which Righteousness would lodge?" 
Yeshayahu 54:15-17 
"Behold, they may gather together,
But not be sent by Me,
Whoever conspires against you will fall." 
"Behold, I have created the blacksmith,
Who blows fire on the coals,
Who brings forth a weapon for his work,
But I have created the destroyer to undo him." ? 
"No weapon made to attack you will succeed,
And every tongue that speaks against you shall fail;
This is the heritage of the servants of the L-rd
And their just reward from Me,
Says HaShem." ? 
HaShem says, "I am the One Who brought against you enemies whose aim was to? destroy you, such as Sancheriv and Nevuchadnezzar, because I used them to punish? you when you rebelled against Me.? But now, your enemies have no authorization from? Me.? They are Gog and Magog, who will fight against you immediately prior to the? Coming of the Mashiach, and be defeated by you.? And when they attack you in the? Halls of "Diplomacy" (such as the UN, Oslo or Wye (Why indeed?)), with false speech,? where you will find "Long has my soul dwelt with those who hate peace; I am for peace - but when I speak, they are plotting for war" ("Tehillim"/Psalms 120:7), I will help you defeat them there as well." 
The following chapter in Yeshayahu is dedicated to two great themes: Torah and Teshuvah, Repentance.? The first five P'sukim, that are part of our Haftarah, deal with Torah, the precious gift from HaShem to us and, through us, to humanity at large.? The rest of the Perek deals with Teshuvah and, appropriately, is read as the Haftarah on a "Taanit Tzibbur," a Public Fast Day, the purpose of which is the arousal of feelings of Repentance. 
Yeshayahu 55:1 
"Ho, everyone who is thirsty, come for water;
And he that has no money,
Come, buy and eat,
Come buy wine and milk
Without money and without price." 
"Mayim," the "Drink of Life," means here and in many other locations, the Torah.? Here, Yeshayahu points to our priceless possession, the Torah. ? 
The Torah, for our People, is as vital as is water.? We are destined to be Teachers of Torah to the world, who ultimately will seek it and value it as they do food and drink. 
Yeshayahu 55:2 ? 
"Why do you spend your money on that which is not bread?
And you expend effort to purchase?
That which does not satisfy?
Listen carefully to Me and eat that which is good,
And let your soul delight in richness!" 
RADAK understands this Passuk as strongly advocating the study of Torah, which is called "good" in the verse, "for I have given you a good teaching; do not forsake My Torah!" ("Mishlei"/Proverbs 4:2) 
And further, that the part of the Passuk that speaks of delighting the soul also speaks of the Torah, and is referring to the World-to-Come, for just as something that is fat and rich delights the body, so is the Torah a delight for the soul. 
Yeshayahu 55:3 
"Incline your ear, and come to Me,
Hear, and your soul shall live,
And I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
Like the everlasting kindnesses I have shown to David."? 
RADAK understands this Passuk as referring to the time of the Mashiach, when the everlasting kindness that HaShem showed to David will be revealed in the person of the Mashiach, who will be a descendant of the House of David. 
Metzudat David also understands the Passuk to mean "Obey Me, and you will merit to be brought back to life at the time of the Mashiach." 
Yeshayahu 55:4 
"Behold I have given him as a witness to the nations,
A prince and a commander for the nations." ? 
RADAK again relates this Passuk to the Mashiach, whose greatness will compel the nations of the world to accept him as their commander. 
Yeshayahu 55:5 
"Behold you shall call a nation that you did not know,
And a nation who did not know of you
Will now run to you;
Because HaShem your G-d,
The Holy One of Israel,
Has glorified you." 
Metzudat David explains that just as I have fulfilled My kindness with David, will I fulfill My Promise of Kindness to you.? And this will be manifested in that nations from the ends of the earth will come and do your bidding, because they sense in your behavior the special quality of holiness, implanted in you by the Presence in your midst of the Holy One of Israel. 
Rabbi Pinchas Frankel 
Rabbi Frankel is an Educational C oordinator at the OU 



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From rndavar at aol.com  Sun Sep  7 12:48:55 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (Ross Nichols)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:48:55 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Update
Message-ID: <988131162-1220809684-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-652544436-@bxe130.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I have talked to, or heard from everyone here. All are alive and well. Some have power, some (the Saint Francisville crew) are still without power. There will NOT be a class tonight.

I do not know what the media is saying about our situation, but it is the worst in terms of damage that this area has seen in quite some time.

It now looks like Ike may be heading our way. Pray for those who are less fortunate.

I hope to write more later. Shalom, Ross
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 13:24:48 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:24:48 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] - Wake Up Benei Israel!!!
In-Reply-To: <2AEE6F917B9048A6986EFBBD8933AAD2@bettylaptop>
References: <48C09BCC.4090403@westnet.com.au>
	<2AEE6F917B9048A6986EFBBD8933AAD2@bettylaptop>
Message-ID: <855590370809071124i71ca8dbbse6458f8a2413ef21@mail.gmail.com>

Amazing video (and message...), thanks, Bro...

           * Hanoch
*
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Betty Givin <bkgivin at charter.net> wrote:

>  Joe, I just finished listing and watching the youtube presentations below
> and heartily recommend that all watch it.  It was so very moving and parts
> of it were so graphic, that I had to close my eyes to stay focused and
> continue thru to the end.  It is easy for us to stay "cocooned" in our
> seemingly safe portion of the world, but I do think the "wake up" call is
> for all?all who love HaShem and Israel and want to take a active part in
> relieving the heartaches of the world and its people?especially its innocent
> children!
>
>
>
> Yes, Rachem!!!  May HaShem extend His Mercy to us all and help end all the
> hate and violence and suffering?it must be deplorable in His eyes as it
> should be to ours?
>
>
>
> Thank you, Joe, for your sensitivity and for providing us with so many
> meaningful posts and articles such as these.
>
>
>
> Blessings and Shavua tov to you and all!
>
>
>
> Betty/Elisheva
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:
> dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *JOE INDOMENICO
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:39 PM
> *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
> *Subject:* [Dialogue] - Wake Up Benei Israel!!!
>
>
>
> *Shabbat Shalom Chaverim,
>
> My heart goes out to all of you that have suffered damage caused by the
> weather during the past week in Southern USA.
> I hope that all services are back to normal in the face of the uncertainty
> that still prevails due to the prospect of further hurricane activity in the
> coming week.
>
> Thank you Steve and Elisheva for your comments and links regarding the
> current month of Elul.
>
> I also hope that Hanoch will soon be resumed to the dialogue and that the
> glitch will be rectified.
>
> As we prepare for the first Shabbat of Elul, may we all experience a deep
> and truthful understanding of Teshuva in the midst off all our trials and
> tribulations ,as Elisheva rightfully expressed in her post ,and  maturely
> grow towards a better understanding of HaShem, His Will, His Word and His
> Glory.
>
> Shabbat Shalom
> JOE.
> *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vEB3e1hZPY&feature=related
>
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 13:32:19 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:32:19 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Heroes and Memories of 9/11
Message-ID: <855590370809071132r407dc1bcsc72cefa568565f02@mail.gmail.com>

This was written 2 years ago...it's hard to believe that it was 7 years ago
this week...and the 'pit' that remained after the site of the World Train
Center was 'cleared', remains...empty.
                                      * Hanoch*

  [image: 9/11] by Jonathan
Mark<http://www.aish.com/search/article_search_results.asp?article_author=Jonathan+Mark&title_text=&date_amount=&date_option=year>
 *Finding solace for those left behind.*

And there was evening and morning, five years worth, and the world is still
unformed and void, with darkness over the face of the deep.

For all the politics, bombs and battles in the wake of Sept. 11, 2001, what
strikes the mourners is a more personal and sensual vacancy, the absence of
touch and sight and voice, a severing of personal histories.

It is that quest for the senses that has inspired some of this year's
private memorials.

Out in the Rockaways, not long ago, firefighter and former lifeguard Steve
Belson -- one of three Jewish firefighters to die in the World Trade center
-- was celebrated with a morning swim in the ocean just off the sands of
Bell's Beach, as Beach 92 was officially renamed in his honor. His friends
wanted to feel dripping wet with the memories of him, be buoyed by him,
immersed in the ocean of him. At dusk, the day for Bells, as they called
him, continued in a restaurant right on the water. A rock band played.

Has it been five years? Not for everyone. It's been 4 1/2 years for Jason
Zucker, born a few months after his dad, Andrew, disappeared in the South
Tower's inferno. He knows his dad was a hero; seven survivors of the World
Trade Center came forward to say the young lawyer saved their lives at the
expense of his own. But stories are one thing and having no father to kiss
is another. Now the boy will have a Torah to kiss, a new Torah with his
father's name inscribed on the velvet.

On Sunday, the Riverdale Jewish Center will finish the writing of a new
Torah scroll in honor of Zucker, the local hero. It will be read for the
first time on Sept. 11, a Monday, and will be read for the first time on a
Shabbat later that week on the actual yahrtzeit, Elul 23. An Israeli
silversmith has crafted silver *rimonim* (pomegranates), a stylized
evocation of the two towers, to adorn the scroll's two wooden handles.

Erica Zucker, Andrew's widow and Jason's mom, said: "Andrew was very
connected to the shul, and we still are. I like the idea of something
tangible, for something of Andrew to be there; something for Jason to see
and touch as he grows up, to see the community's love for Andrew. I can
always tell Jason about Andrew and how amazing and supportive the community
was and is, but this is also a chance for Jason to see it -- the community
writing a Torah in memory of his father."

It is Elul, the season of visiting cemeteries before the New Year. Student
groups that fly to Poland to see death camps can now take a subway to
Chambers Street. There is a messianic legend that when the Third Temple is
built it will descend instantly, whole and complete from Heaven. Now we have
a new apocalyptic legend -- a death camp that descended on New York; klieg
lights suddenly glaring through the a pale, smokey night haze; noses sensing
a stench that couldn't quite be placed; soldiers rolling by on lorries; the
sense of souls piled upon souls beneath ash and palsied metal.

On Beekman Street, a few blocks from the hallowed ground, Rabbi Meyer Hager,
spiritual leader of the Wall Street Synagogue, anticipates the return of
that most haunted day. He takes a black hat down from its shelf, the hat he
wore on that morning five years ago. The hat is splotchy with an odd pale
soot. As if pointing to an object on the Seder plate, he says: "This is the
debris. I shook it off but then I caught myself. I thought, maybe I should
keep it the way it is, so someone can see and learn what it holds for the
future."

He remembers the soot and death that fell as gently "as snow."

Rabbi Hager said he couldn't help but notice that the saddest day of the
Jewish year, Tisha b'Av, another day of fire and death, is also 9/11, the
ninth day of the 11th Hebrew month.

Sometimes Rabbi Hager walks to the corner and looks up and sees nothing. As
rabbi of the nearest synagogue to the World Trade Center, he had lit
menorahs in its lobbies. He also stood 110 stories higher, on what seemed
like an urban Everest, the roof of the World Trade Center, back in April
1981, to say the Blessing of the Sun, a blessing said only once every 28
years when the heavens are said to be aligned exactly as they were on the
fourth day of creation, the sun's biblical birthday. While not quite Neil
Armstrong, surely no man before Rabbi Hager ever said the Blessing of the
Sun in greater proximity to the sun itself.

Six who died in the World Trade Center were financial supporters of the
shul, even if only one or two of them came by even occasionally. When the
rabbi thinks of martyred congregants he thinks as easily of the firemen of
Engine 6, immediately adjacent to the shul. He remembers seeing firefighter
Ben Johnston riding away on a fire truck and never seeing Ben Johnston
again. On the first Shabbat after 9/11, firemen came to light the fires of
candlelight so the shul could function despite the absence of electricity.

Contrary to the legend that those who prayed were late and therefore
immunized from terror, services on that 9/11 ended at about 8:15 a.m., said
the rabbi, so everyone had plenty of time to get to their offices in the
World Trade Center and no one who prayed at the shul that morning was saved
simply by virtue of his virtue.

However, said the rabbi, one gentleman who worked in the World Financial
Center, taking a route that brought him through the Trade Center plaza,
stayed another half-hour in the shul that day because he didn't quite
understand his morning Talmud lesson and wanted clarification. By the time
he left for work, the first plane had hit and police were turning people
back.

But lives saved by coincidence or irony ought not be automatically confused
with saintliness. Zucker, an Orthodox Jew and former volunteer firefighter,
also put on tefillin and studied before he went to work that morning, and
saved not himself but seven of God's children before America knew what hit
them.

Madeline Brandstadter, Belson's mother, said she considered herself and her
son to be thoroughly secular Jews. But she remembered that Rabbi Joseph
Potasnik, FDNY chaplain, remarked in his eulogy: "They said that Steve was
not religious. You tell me how someone can run into a burning building to
save people and not be religious."

"I'll never forget that," said Belson's mother.

Belson wasn't much of a Jew if Jewish is defined by affiliation. He was more
likely to nurture his soul through the Grateful Dead or Hot Tuna. His buddy,
Fire Chief Butch Brandes of Battalion 41 in Flatbush, a vice president in
the Ner Tamid fraternal organization of Jewish firefighters, remembered how
he used to ask Belson all the time to join Ner Tamid.

Belson would say, "Yeah, when I have my 20 years" on the force.

"Then," said Brandes, after 20 years, "sure enough, he joined. And he didn't
miss a meeting."

Belson, who had back surgery a few months before 9/11, charged into the
burning North Tower and was last heard from on the 40th floor. He was never
found.

He's there still.

In another way, Zucker's sister, Cheryl Shames, is there, too, a reader of
victims' names on September anniversaries; a volunteer giving tours of the
World Trade Center grounds; and soon to be a docent for the Tribute Center
that opened on Liberty Street Sept. 6.

"Besides telling them about the World Trade Center," said Cheryl of her
tours, "I get to tell them about Andrew. When people look at the Wall of
Names, Andrew's name is the second to last, of almost 3,000 names. But if
you came on my tour, you'll feel you knew him, that you had a connection to
Andrew Zucker. I'm doing it for Andrew. I pass around photographs of
Andrew."

Cheryl remembers that last time she saw her brother: "It was two Shabboses
before Sept.11. That Friday night he kept us up until one or two in the
morning, talking through the whole timeline of our family's life,
remembering the nittiest details. My eyes were closing from tiredness. He
needed to talk. That was just days before 9/11."

He likely talked about being active in Jewish student life at the State
University at Binghamton; his passion for being a volunteer media ombudsman,
defending Israel from misperception; his prescient sense of current affairs,
sending out e-mail advisories and petitions about the Taliban and the
terrorists "like Hitler," he said, who would soon take his life. He
e-mailed, "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

Good men were doing nothing, he said to friends, and he kept saying it until
he was more right than he ever imagined.

On Sunday, a Torah with his name on it will be danced down the street under
a wedding canopy, not unlike Zucker's own, though it hurts to watch a
wedding canopy going solo. The new Torah will be greeted on the steps of the
shul by each of the other Torahs, welcoming Zucker's Torah into the ark.
It's a way to think differently of Zucker's resting place; "ark" sharing the
same Hebrew word as "casket."

Almost all of us expect further attacks. And yet a Torah is kissed, firemen
are swimming and music plays.

And there was evening and there was mourning, five years.

*Courtesy of The Jewish Week. <http://www.thejewishweek.com/>*

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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Sun Sep  7 13:44:06 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:44:06 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT: Chaverim Network is up! 
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Friends,

It is with much jubilation that I am announcing the startup of the 
new Chaverim Network. After some prolonged birth pangs, the worldwide 
network for Torah seekers is up and running.  It is conducted  out of 
Jerusalem, under the auspices of Rabbi Avraham Greenbaum, of 
http://www.azamra.org.  He announced it this morning in his weekly 
Sunday live chat room class from Jerusalem.  Its purpose is to enable 
Torah seekers to network with each other. Some of the major groups 
who would be interested are Jews,  Bnei Noach and "the growing 
Ephraim movement" as well as any others who want to look to the Torah 
and the G-d of Abraham for Divine Guidance.  One can load up a 
profile with particular interests and communicate with others of the 
same interests, real time in private chat rooms.  Now that is 
terrific, Baruch Hashem!!!  His Truth is marching on!

Of course my profile is up already, and will be amended later.  My 
new website  that will be linked to this profile is not operating 
yet.  It has also experienced some birth pangs, but hopefully will be 
up this week at least in skeleton format.  Till it is up, my old 
website, http://www.uniteourheart.com will be the link to which 
initial Ten Tribers will be directed. Of course my website has links 
to other sites having to do with the Ten Tribes movement as well.

I will announce the new site as soon as it is ready.  It will have 
some new ideas to field then.  Thank you for your prayers to that end.

The Chaverim Network site may have some startup-glitches and is a bit 
difficult to get registered.  However it does work; without any 
announcement, it has 15 members already.  Just register anyway, and 
you will be sent  a log-in password that can be changed later. It may 
take 24 hours.  It will also have more search engines capability 
added to search for particular interests.  Thank you for your 
patience and please spread the news.


Let us give thanks, for His "strong gathering arm" is active and we 
are immensely blessed to be gathered by Him now. This is a great day 
the L-RD, HaShem, the G-D of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has made!!

Steve / Shemaia

PS.: BTW, if you  look for me on the Chaverim Network, my Hebrew name 
is Shemaia Mathe, and will be found connected with Ephraim and Ten 
Tribes headings.

"Only prayer, Torah and repentance will unify the tribes of Israel." 



From correim at gninc.ca  Sun Sep  7 15:03:15 2008
From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:03:15 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
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Pat, there is nothing to forgive you, I burst into tears when I read 
your part below, directed to me, it just hit some cord in my heart, I 
was so glad to hear such encouraging words concerning Cody and my 
grandson Jamie. I will follow up on this and especially concerning 
Jamie. But first, and this is to all of you dear ones, Joe for one so 
special to my heart, from the other side of this globe. Truly I am so 
awed, I do not find words to express what is going on in my heart!!!!!

Let's just get down to earth a bit, I hope this won't get too long. I am 
still living in a community where it seems so quiet. It seems like life 
could just go on as usual, it seems like it would be so easy to just 
take life for granted. That is one side of my life.

BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE IMPOSSIBLE ANYMORE!!!!! Life can not go on as 
usual. It is the month of Alul in 2008, ( I am a little mixed up what 
year it is on the Jewish calendar year). I just finished watching the 9 
hr. movie "Against All Odds, Israel Survives" I just  went over  "Wake 
up Bnei  Israel" for the second time since it was sent by Joe, and now 
sent by Betty as a reminder. What a mighty God we serve!!!! No word's 
can describe it. I feel I should be doing something  in return for what 
He is wooing me on. Will I be able to do justice in Techuva to fill in 
that little consignment He has given me? Or have I even been counted 
worthy of any consignment for the sake of Bnei Israel, my family, or 
what ever? Maybe to Jamie. In my former influence I am tempted to feel 
like a worm that can seemingly do so little, (yet a worm can transform 
into a magnificent, Monarch Butterfly and migrate to Mexico and land on 
the same hectar its great grandparents left to come to the north that 
same spring) .

As I mentioned earlier,  having watched "Against all Odds" in the 
miracles of Israel in the past  60 or so years, I realized that Hashem 
uses total unbelieving Jewish people to perform some of these astounding 
miracles. And of course that makes an impression on their heart as a 
result. I imagine that is precisely what He is doing with me. He has 
formed me in my mothers womb, I am the clay, He is the Potter. What He 
wants to do with this lump of clay is up to Him. Fortunately not up to 
me. Although I can still choose to do what is right, or whar is the 
wrong way.

Do miracles happen to us too? Absolutely! Some times I take it for 
granted at the time it happens. And here is an example of what I mean. I 
have shared  some of what is going on with Jamie in the past, how he 
left home at the age of 15,  quite strong in rebellion against his dad 
and the local Mennonite church. He got taken into a home which he took 
for granted was a Jewish setting in that home because they kept the 
Sabbath, (they had left the Worldwide Church of God, still very strong 
on the pagan virgin birth of the man, or prophet Yeshua.) I was invited 
into that home one Sabbath in the 3 short weeks of his stay there, while 
he was still there and tried so hard  to serve their interests as 
compelling real it came to him that they where of the same faith he had 
been rebelling against, although a totally different church. But now he 
finally could get into the Internet, (which was banned from him, if he 
did not have a business that needed it it's use) And they helped him to 
get his own e-mail address, and for a week or two, him and me could 
start to have e-mails flowing back and forth. This was all stopped short 
again when he rebelled against these people's control system, and was 
not allowed to stay with them any longer, so he reluctantly went back to 
the Mennonite home he had stayed with before. They took him in very 
reluctantly as well, because of Jamie's rebellion against their church. 
I am still not up to the miracle I wanted to share but it is coming, and 
may not seem to be much of a miracle, but it was to me.

Jamie's dad Ruben, (our youngest son, with a serious Bi-polar problem , 
anger etc.) set up some very stern rules for Jamie to abide by before he 
would be excepted to come back home. One of them, no Internet in his 
computer. Jamie has been controlled and boxed in all his life and finds 
it very difficult to make his own decisions. But now Child and Family 
Services have already been involved for a while since Ruben has had such 
bouts with anger and depression, especially against Jamie, and because 
of his rough struggles in this area, Ruben got expelled from the church, 
(he is out of the box to a point too, but is still very religiously 
inclined in favor of the church) But since he voluntarily turned himself 
in to a mental institute for 3 weeks, so they could find out how best 
they could help him. It was so helpful for Ruben to a point that he 
excepted a challenge  to  run in a  30 mile  bicycle  Marathon for a 
fund raiser  for this institute. And Jamie,  already a month ahead of 
the event, agreed, to support his dad, he would go with him in this 
Marathon. The day of the event was this last Saturday (Shabbat) . I had 
a strong feeling that I should be there to support my son. And since it 
had been going so rough between the two the last while, I did not expect 
Jamie to be there. And for one reason being he likely would not be fit 
to go on such a testing Marathon, because of his health challenge with 
his kidney replaced etc..

Now here is the miracle as I see it. Ruben and his wife Millie had to 
have a meeting with the Child and Family support group, the day before 
the Marathon, concerning the out come with Jamie. If Jamie would be 
willing to go on his parents rules, he could go home, if not, Child and 
Family Services would find a foster home for him. Jamie's sister 
Stephenie was staying at our place Friday for the night on the condition 
that I would take her along in the morning, where her parents would meet 
us half way to the Marathon, still a half hour drive from there. And low 
and behold Jamie was going to go on the Marathon with his Dad after all, 
(and he told me later he had done it for his dad) and he was along with 
them. Since they had 2 bikes along, so they did not all have room on 
their van. And they allowed Jamie alone to come with me!!!! Yuhoo!!!!And 
for the next limited half hour we had all to ourself !!! We got to talk 
about serious matters that had happened in the mean time. Which was the 
first time since I last talked with him about a month ago we could 
share. They could have sent along one of his sisters too, who both are 
church members already, and we could not have had this privacy. But it 
did not happen. This was the miracle. Jamie told me he had chosen to go 
to a foster home, but it had been a very hard decision for him to make. 
And he told me freely he was literally scarred of what would become of 
it. I told him he likely made a good choice, and it did not matter if he 
even sometimes would fail to make right choices, but he would gradually 
learn to make right choices.

I had the privilege to share with him that I had shared his struggle 
with you people, and that he might be surprised how many people were 
praying for him. He is grateful for that. Jamie did not share with me 
about his faith, which seems to be badly shaken again. But he told me on 
his own without me asking him, that he was not going to start with 
drugs. Again, he was quite dejected though when he just could not make 
the run with his bike, and had to be brought in with one of their 
truck's. Ruben had stayed behind just waiting for his son again and 
again, but after Jamie had to give it up and had take a truck  ride to 
the barbecue. Ruben his dad made it, not nearly the last on this 30 mile 
run. There were over 100 bikes in all part taking, with a barbecue and 
music festival in the end. I was very glad to have gone to be with my 
son and grandson and the whole family through this all. But I felt 
awfully sorry for Jamie, as he felt so dejected for a while, and now the 
uncertainty of his future, where he will end up having to stay. They 
would not for anything allow him to come and stay with us his 
grandparents, and I am afraid Mary's health would not allow it either. 
But I have a feeling he is in the hands of his maker. And the end will 
turn out good. And we will see that it was all for the good, Baruch 
Hashem. Sorry it got so long. I am going to read Psalm 91 Thank you Pat, 
and all of you for your prayers.

Cornie



Pat Robbins wrote:
> Please forgive me, Cornie.  I have only just now seen this email from 
> you.  As I read it, I just kept hoping that somehow Jamie will get to 
> talk to Cody (maybe they will get to talk on the internet), 
> because I feel Cody could be an encouragement to him, and I know he 
> would love to help if he can.  I will continue to pray for your dear 
> grandson.  I can tell you from firsthand experience that HaSHem will 
> work in Jamie's life in absolutely miraculous ways if he'll just keep 
> seeking after Him. It continually amazes me to watch as He works in my 
> nephew's life.  He has only been in Israel a couple of weeks now, 
> and HaSHem is already opening incredible doors .  He was approached on 
> the street and asked if he would be willing to do a commercial for 
> Israel's version of a CNN-type, all-news network, called Israel World 
> News.  He told the girl who asked him that he would love to do it, and 
> has now already made a couple of spot commercials for them, which he 
> is very excited about doing because he wrote me that,  "The plan is to 
> reach 300 million to bring the truth to the world.  The idea is to 
> call out the politicians on their scandals and bring a Zionist point 
> of view to fight anti-Semitic propaganda around the world."  
>  
> This is HaSHem's doing. Cody is a stranger in the Land and this 
> opportunity literally came to him!  He didn't even have to look 
> for it.  What I'm trying to say is that though I worried so much over 
> the years about his trying to make it on his own with his belief in 
> the One G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, HE WAS NEVER REALLY 
> ALONE!!!!  G-d was leading him every step of the way, and He will lead 
> Jamie too.  Try not to be too grieved over the difficulties you are 
> seeing Jamie have to face.  Just keep praying, and we will keep 
> praying too.  Our G-d is awesome!!!
>  
> I pray Psalm 91 over Cody, and I have him pray it over himself as 
> well.  And now I'm praying it over Jamie.
>  
> CHAZAK, CHAZAK, DEAR FRIEND!!!!!  May HaSHem strengthen us all.
>  
> Love,
>  
> Pat   
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> *From:* Cornie Reimer <mailto:correim at gninc.ca>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:47 PM
> *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org <mailto:dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
>
> My dear brothers and sisters
> I woke up storm tossed and afflicted too, as it were. It is the time 
> of Alul, for real even for an old man like me, one of no apparent 
> significance at all, that is, if I were to hold on to what I have been 
> made to believe for most of my entire life. I normally should sleep 
> another 3 or 4 hours in order to be able to go to work at 7 in the 
> morning. But since I found such a storm brewing in my mind. I decided 
> to put my ear phones on and listen to the last part of a CD from Rabbi 
> Lazer Brody called "Pleased yo meet you"! I had heard it a couple of 
> times but had always fallen asleep before I heard it all. What I heard 
> this time was brought to my attention that it is advisable to ask 
> Hashem for advice about everything we face in life, if we desire His 
> blessings on it.
>
> So instead of falling asleep again, the burden became heavier, so I 
> was prompted to read the weekly (not the daily one) writing from Rabbi 
> Abrahan Greenbaum. Which again prompted me to go to Joshua 8, 
> referring to Joshua leading , to Israel's totally destroying every 
> soul of their enemy in Ai, and burning the city. And it referred and 
> led to all of Israel being gathered on the 2 mountains to hear the 
> blessings and the curses, according to their choice, just before 
> entering into the promised land. Now this was no child's play. To 
> receive the blessings, always upon their choices, they would need to 
> heed the advice of Hashem.
>
> I wonder if He hears my cry? In other words, am I heeding His advice 
> when He clearly speaks to me? Or am I crusted over with a hard shell 
> of Mennonitism yet, that Hashem can not get through to me? I lately 
> shared about the case with my grandson Jamie, there was such a 
> response from the group praying for Jamie. I felt comforted just to 
> know that it did not rest on my prayers alone. I have since talked 
> twice to Jamie's used to be host Cohen, for those 3 weeks, and have 
> not had the chance to talk with Jamie himself. But what I have heard 
> from Cohen, that German couple with whom Jamie was staying. And really 
> he didn't have hardly anything good to say about Jamie. When or what 
> I'm reading between the lines, is a little different than what he is 
> saying though. Now , let's keep in mind, these people are Sabbath 
> keepers, and have left a church of a couple of million members, but he 
> does not want to reveal the name of that church.  It seems quite 
> obvious though that could hardly be any other than the World Wide 
> Church of God, the adventists. Very nice people, he is quite open too, 
> but very easily seems to believe that demonic power is involved. So 
> when Jamie had some Lazer Brody material brought into their house, 
> they saw demons on the walls, so that stuff had to leave the house. He 
> also confirmed quite clearly that Jamie was demon influenced, yet he 
> did not turn against me for being the instigator of that Jewish 
> material. Before Jamie left from their house he had told Cohen, (that 
> is his first name) that he, Jamie was not Jewish minded anymore. I 
> just find it a very hard to hear this being said about Jamie. When it 
> is quite obvious that Jamie will have found himself short changed, 
> thinking he was finally coming into a Jewish relations by staying with 
> these people. Only to find they were Christians too. But I am so glad 
> to have this consolation that some of you prayer wariours are or have 
> been praying for him. Please don't quit!
>
> And Joe, when we talked you suggested that I should not try to lead 
> Jamie, but just walk beside him, and allow him to make his own 
> choices, but to let him know that I'll be there when he needs me. 
> Beautiful advice. I realize it is OK even if he makes some wrong 
> choices. And that really is all I did with Jamie, I allowed him to 
> make choices. But seems like what took years to build up any interest 
> in the chosen people of God for one like Jamie, can  in one stroke all 
> be destroyed by these different, but well meaning Christians.  
>
> I do realize that for Jamie to find his way through this maze will 
> take a miracle. His heart seems to be a bit hardened by what he has 
> been through. 
>
> Cornie
>
>
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>
>
> YoungBarzel at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Re-Counting the Prophets - Rabbi Pinchas Frankel 
>> <http://www.ou.org/torah/frankel/haftarot/intro.htm>
>>
>> *Haftarah of Parshat **Re'eh **- 5760*
>>
>> *"Afflicted and Storm-Tossed One, and Not Comforted" 
>> (Yeshayahu 54:11) *
>>
>> The Haftarah of Re'eh is the third of the "Haftarot of Consolation," 
>> in the series of seven such Haftarot.  Both the Ashkenazic 
>> <http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/a.htm#ashkenaz> and Sefardic 
>> <http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/s.htm#sefard> communities take this 
>> Haftarah from the Book of Yeshayahu, beginning with "Perek"/Chapter 
>> 54, Verse 11, through (and including) Chapter 55, Verse 5.
>>
>> *Introduction *
>>
>> In the conversation that Avudraham constructs from these Haftarot, 
>> among HaShem, His Prophets and the People of Israel, this is the one 
>> in which the People of Israel complains that it is not comforted, 
>> because it is receiving the consolation indirectly, from the 
>> Prophets, rather than from HaShem.  Next week, the Master of the 
>> Universe gets into the act, when He says, "I, even I (using the 
>> unusual form 'Anochi) am the One Who comforts you" (Yeshayahu 
>> 51:12).  But in truth, HaShem already has declared Himself to be the 
>> "Menachem," the Comforter, in this Haftarah, where He says in the 
>> first "Passuk" (54:11),
>>
>> "Behold, I ('Anochi') will set your stones in fair colors," 
>> and again in "Passuk" (54:16), 
>>
>> "Behold, it is I ("Anochi") Who created the blacksmith, 
>> Who blows fire on the coals, 
>> And brings forth a weapon for his work, 
>> And I ("Anochi") created the destroyer to undo him."  
>>
>> *The Haftarah - Translation and Commentary * 
>>
>> *Yeshayahu 54:11*
>>
>> "O afflicted and storm-tossed one,
>> And not comforted,
>> Behold, I will set your stones in fair colors,
>> And lay your foundations with sapphires."  
>>
>> All the commentators relate this promise of comfort to Yerushalayim.  
>> Targum Yonatan says, "?the walls about which the nations of the world 
>> said that you would never be comforted, HaShem says, "I will lay its 
>> foundation with diamonds." **
>>
>> *Yeshayahu 54:12 *
>>
>> "And I will make your pinnacles of rubies,
>> And your gates of iridescent diamonds;
>> And all your borders of precious stone."  
>>
>> I will return to the City of Jerusalem, once a beautiful "wonder of 
>> the world," its aspect of physical beauty.  But that's not all. **
>>
>> *Yeshayahu 54:13*
>>
>> "And all your children shall be taught by HaShem,
>> And great will be the peace of your children."
>>
>> The situation will be the *opposite* of that described by Yirmiyahu 
>> in the Haftarah of Parshat Masei (Yirmiyahu 2:8), the Second of the 
>> "Haftarot of Punishment,"  
>>
>> "The Priests did not ask, 'Where is HaShem?'
>> And the "scholars" of Torah did not know me?"
>>
>> RADAK points out that this idea *is like that* stated by Yirmiyahu,  
>>
>> "No longer will one person have to teach another, because everybody 
>> will know Me, from children to adults."
>>
>> And this "Passuk" is also the source of the following Talmudic 
>> statement (Masechet <http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/m.htm#masechet> 
>> Berachot 64a), "Rabbi Elazar said in the name of Rabbi Chanina, 
>> '*Torah scholars increase peace in the world,'* as it is said, 'And 
>> all your children will be taught by  HaShem, and great will be the 
>> peace of your children;' do not read 'your children' (banayich), but 
>> 'your builders' (bonayich)." **
>>
>> *Yeshayahu 54:14*
>>
>> "In righteousness shall you be established -
>> Stay far away from oppression,
>> Then you will have no reason to fear,
>> Or to feel terror,
>> For they will not approach you."  
>>
>> You will once again be the City described in Yeshayahu 1:21 as "full 
>> of Justice, in which Righteousness would lodge?" **
>>
>> *Yeshayahu 54:15-17*
>>
>> "Behold, they may gather together,
>> But not be sent by Me,
>> Whoever conspires against you will fall."
>>
>> "Behold, I have created the blacksmith,
>> Who blows fire on the coals,
>> Who brings forth a weapon for his work,
>> But I have created the destroyer to undo him."  
>>
>> "No weapon made to attack you will succeed,
>> And every tongue that speaks against you shall fail;
>> This is the heritage of the servants of the L-rd
>> And their just reward from Me,
>> Says HaShem."  
>>
>> HaShem says, "I am the One Who brought against you enemies whose aim 
>> was to  destroy you, such as Sancheriv and Nevuchadnezzar, because I 
>> used them to punish  you when you rebelled against Me.  But now, your 
>> enemies have no authorization from  Me.  They are Gog and Magog, who 
>> will fight against you immediately prior to the  Coming of the 
>> Mashiach, and be defeated by you.  And when they attack you in the  
>> Halls of "Diplomacy" (such as the UN, Oslo or Wye (Why indeed?)), 
>> with false speech,  where you will find "Long has my soul dwelt with 
>> those who hate peace; I am for peace - but when I speak, they are 
>> plotting for war" ("Tehillim"/Psalms 120:7), I will help you defeat 
>> them there as well."
>>
>> The following chapter in Yeshayahu is dedicated to two great themes: 
>> Torah and Teshuvah <http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/tw.htm#teshuvah>, 
>> Repentance.  The first five P'sukim, that are part of our Haftarah, 
>> deal with Torah, the precious gift from HaShem to us and, through us, 
>> to humanity at large.  The rest of the Perek deals with Teshuvah and, 
>> appropriately, is read as the Haftarah on a "Taanit Tzibbur," a 
>> Public Fast Day, the purpose of which is the arousal of feelings of 
>> Repentance.
>>
>> *Yeshayahu 55:1*
>>
>> "Ho, everyone who is thirsty, come for water;
>> And he that has no money,
>> Come, buy and eat,
>> Come buy wine and milk
>> Without money and without price."
>>
>> "Mayim," the "Drink of Life," means here and in many other locations, 
>> the Torah.  Here, Yeshayahu points to our priceless possession, the 
>> Torah.  
>>
>> The Torah, for our People, is as vital as is water.  We are destined 
>> to be Teachers of Torah to the world, who ultimately will seek it and 
>> value it as they do food and drink.
>>
>> *Yeshayahu 55:2*  
>>
>> "Why do you spend your money on that which is not bread?
>> And you expend effort to purchase 
>> That which does not satisfy?
>> Listen carefully to Me and eat that which is good,
>> And let your soul delight in richness!"
>>
>> RADAK understands this Passuk as strongly advocating the study of 
>> Torah, which is called "good" in the verse, "for I have given you a 
>> *good teaching*; do not forsake My Torah!" ("Mishlei"/Proverbs 4:2)
>>
>> And further, that the part of the Passuk that speaks of delighting 
>> the soul also speaks of the Torah, and is referring to the 
>> World-to-Come, for just as something that is fat and rich delights 
>> the body, so is the Torah a delight for the soul.
>>
>> *Yeshayahu 55:3*
>>
>> "Incline your ear, and come to Me,
>> Hear, and your soul shall live,
>> And I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
>> Like the everlasting kindnesses I have shown to David." 
>>
>> RADAK understands this Passuk as referring to the time of the 
>> Mashiach, when the everlasting kindness that HaShem showed to David 
>> will be revealed in the person of the Mashiach, who will be a 
>> descendant of the House of David.
>>
>> Metzudat David also understands the Passuk to mean "Obey Me, and you 
>> will merit to be brought back to life at the time of the Mashiach."
>>
>> *Yeshayahu 55:4*
>>
>> "Behold I have given him as a witness to the nations,
>> A prince and a commander for the nations."  
>>
>> RADAK again relates this Passuk to the Mashiach, whose greatness will 
>> compel the nations of the world to accept him as their commander.
>>
>> *Yeshayahu 55:5*
>>
>> "Behold you shall call a nation that you did not know,
>> And a nation who did not know of you
>> Will now run to you;
>> Because HaShem your G-d,
>> The Holy One of Israel,
>> Has glorified you."
>>
>> Metzudat David explains that just as I have fulfilled My kindness 
>> with David, will I fulfill My Promise of Kindness to you.  And this 
>> will be manifested in that nations from the ends of the earth will 
>> come and do your bidding, because they sense in your behavior the 
>> special quality of holiness, implanted in you by the Presence in your 
>> midst of the Holy One of Israel.
>>
>> *Rabbi Pinchas Frankel*
>>
>> /Rabbi Frankel is an Educational C //oordinator at the OU /
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From correim at gninc.ca  Sun Sep  7 15:09:16 2008
From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:09:16 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
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Thank you Helen, what a balm, that I have only felt so strong of late 
when formerly total strangers take note and will pray for Jamie. May 
Hashem richly bless you

Cornie



Helen Lusk wrote:
> Dear Cornie:
>  
> I am continuing to pray for Jamie and for you too. Hashem knows where 
> he is and is watching over him. May Jamie cry out to his heavenly 
> Father to lead,guide and protect him and may he be aware of Hashem's 
> presence, May it be soon that Jamie will find the solace and comfort 
> he needs in his search for truth. Kind regards,,Helen
>  
> P.S. Sorry this is late, but I have been away in NC for almost a week 
> visiting family.
>
>
>     From: Cornie Reimer <correim at gninc.ca>
>     Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
>     To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
>     Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 9:47 PM
>
>     My dear brothers and sisters
>     I woke up storm tossed and afflicted too, as it were. It is the
>     time of Alul, for real even for an old man like me, one of no
>     apparent significance at all, that is, if I were to hold on to
>     what I have been made to believe for most of my entire life. I
>     normally should sleep another 3 or 4 hours in order to be able to
>     go to work at 7 in the morning. But since I found such a storm
>     brewing in my mind. I decided to put my ear phones on and listen
>     to the last part of a CD from Rabbi Lazer Brody called "Pleased yo
>     meet you"! I had heard it a couple of times but had always fallen
>     asleep before I heard it all. What I heard this time was brought
>     to my attention that it is advisable to ask Hashem for advice
>     about everything we face in life, if we desire His blessings on it.
>
>     So instead of falling asleep again, the burden became heavier, so
>     I was prompted to read the weekly (not the daily one) writing from
>     Rabbi Abrahan Greenbaum. Which again prompted me to go to Joshua
>     8, referring to Joshua leading , to Israel's totally destroying
>     every soul of their enemy in Ai, and burning the city. And it
>     referred and led to all of Israel being gathered on the 2
>     mountains to hear the blessings and the curses, according to their
>     choice, just before entering into the promised land. Now this was
>     no child's play. To receive the blessings, always upon their
>     choices, they would need to heed the advice of Hashem.
>
>     I wonder if He hears my cry? In other words, am I heeding His
>     advice when He clearly speaks to me? Or am I crusted over with a
>     hard shell of Mennonitism yet, that Hashem can not get through to
>     me? I lately shared about the case with my grandson Jamie, there
>     was such a response from the group praying for Jamie. I felt
>     comforted just to know that it did not rest on my prayers alone. I
>     have since talked twice to Jamie's used to be host Cohen, for
>     those 3 weeks, and have not had the chance to talk with Jamie
>     himself. But what I have heard from Cohen, that German couple with
>     whom Jamie was staying. And really he didn't have hardly anything
>     good to say about Jamie. When or what I'm reading between the
>     lines, is a little different than what he is saying though. Now ,
>     let's keep in mind, these people are Sabbath keepers, and have
>     left a church of a couple of million members, but he does not want
>     to reveal the name of that church.  It seems quite obvious though
>     that could hardly be any other than the World Wide Church of God,
>     the adventists. Very nice people, he is quite open too, but very
>     easily seems to believe that demonic power is involved. So when
>     Jamie had some Lazer Brody material brought into their house, they
>     saw demons on the walls, so that stuff had to leave the house. He
>     also confirmed quite clearly that Jamie was demon influenced, yet
>     he did not turn against me for being the instigator of that Jewish
>     material. Before Jamie left from their house he had told Cohen,
>     (that is his first name) that he, Jamie was not Jewish minded
>     anymore. I just find it a very hard to hear this being said about
>     Jamie. When it is quite obvious that Jamie will have found himself
>     short changed, thinking he was finally coming into a Jewish
>     relations by staying with these people. Only to find they were
>     Christians too. But I am so glad to have this consolation that
>     some of you prayer wariours are or have been praying for him.
>     Please don't quit!
>
>     And Joe, when we talked you suggested that I should not try to
>     lead Jamie, but just walk beside him, and allow him to make his
>     own choices, but to let him know that I'll be there when he needs
>     me. Beautiful advice. I realize it is OK even if he makes some
>     wrong choices. And that really is all I did with Jamie, I allowed
>     him to make choices. But seems like what took years to build up
>     any interest in the chosen people of God for one like Jamie, can 
>     in one stroke all be destroyed by these different, but well
>     meaning Christians.  
>
>     I do realize that for Jamie to find his way through this maze will
>     take a miracle. His heart seems to be a bit hardened by what he
>     has been through. 
>
>     Cornie
>
>
>        
>
>
>     YoungBarzel at aol.com <mailto:YoungBarzel at aol.com> wrote:
>>     Re-Counting the Prophets - Rabbi Pinchas Frankel
>>     <http://www.ou.org/torah/frankel/haftarot/intro.htm>
>>     *Haftarah of Parshat **Re'eh **- 5760*
>>     *"Afflicted and Storm-Tossed One, and Not Comforted" 
>>     (Yeshayahu 54:11) *
>>     The Haftarah of Re'eh is the third of the "Haftarot of
>>     Consolation," in the series of seven such Haftarot.  Both the
>>     Ashkenazic <http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/a.htm#ashkenaz> and
>>     Sefardic <http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/s.htm#sefard>
>>     communities take this Haftarah from the Book of Yeshayahu,
>>     beginning with "Perek"/Chapter 54, Verse 11, through (and
>>     including) Chapter 55, Verse 5.
>>     *Introduction *
>>     In the conversation that Avudraham constructs from these
>>     Haftarot, among HaShem, His Prophets and the People of Israel,
>>     this is the one in which the People of Israel complains that it
>>     is not comforted, because it is receiving the consolation
>>     indirectly, from the Prophets, rather than from HaShem.  Next
>>     week, the Master of the Universe gets into the act, when He says,
>>     "I, even I (using the unusual form 'Anochi) am the One Who
>>     comforts you" (Yeshayahu 51:12).  But in truth, HaShem already
>>     has declared Himself to be the "Menachem," the Comforter, in this
>>     Haftarah, where He says in the first "Passuk" (54:11),
>>     "Behold, I ('Anochi') will set your stones in fair colors," 
>>     and again in "Passuk" (54:16), 
>>     "Behold, it is I ("Anochi") Who created the blacksmith, 
>>     Who blows fire on the coals, 
>>     And brings forth a weapon for his work, 
>>     And I ("Anochi") created the destroyer to undo him."  
>>     *The Haftarah - Translation and Commentary * 
>>     *Yeshayahu 54:11*
>>     "O afflicted and storm-tossed one,
>>     And not comforted,
>>     Behold, I will set your stones in fair colors,
>>     And lay your foundations with sapphires."  
>>     All the commentators relate this promise of comfort to
>>     Yerushalayim.  Targum Yonatan says, "?the walls about which the
>>     nations of the world said that you would never be comforted,
>>     HaShem says, "I will lay its foundation with diamonds." **
>>     *Yeshayahu 54:12 *
>>     "And I will make your pinnacles of rubies,
>>     And your gates of iridescent diamonds;
>>     And all your borders of precious stone."  
>>     I will return to the City of Jerusalem, once a beautiful "wonder
>>     of the world," its aspect of physical beauty.  But that's not all. **
>>     *Yeshayahu 54:13*
>>     "And all your children shall be taught by HaShem,
>>     And great will be the peace of your children."
>>     The situation will be the *opposite* of that described by
>>     Yirmiyahu in the Haftarah of Parshat Masei (Yirmiyahu 2:8), the
>>     Second of the "Haftarot of Punishment,"  
>>     "The Priests did not ask, 'Where is HaShem?'
>>     And the "scholars" of Torah did not know me?"
>>     RADAK points out that this idea *is like that* stated by
>>     Yirmiyahu,  
>>     "No longer will one person have to teach another, because
>>     everybody will know Me, from children to adults."
>>     And this "Passuk" is also the source of the following Talmudic
>>     statement (Masechet
>>     <http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/m.htm#masechet> Berachot 64a),
>>     "Rabbi Elazar said in the name of Rabbi Chanina, '*Torah scholars
>>     increase peace in the world,'* as it is said, 'And all your
>>     children will be taught by  HaShem, and great will be the peace
>>     of your children;' do not read 'your children' (banayich), but
>>     'your builders' (bonayich)." **
>>     *Yeshayahu 54:14*
>>     "In righteousness shall you be established -
>>     Stay far away from oppression,
>>     Then you will have no reason to fear,
>>     Or to feel terror,
>>     For they will not approach you."  
>>     You will once again be the City described in Yeshayahu 1:21 as
>>     "full of Justice, in which Righteousness would lodge?" **
>>     *Yeshayahu 54:15-17*
>>     "Behold, they may gather together,
>>     But not be sent by Me,
>>     Whoever conspires against you will fall."
>>     "Behold, I have created the blacksmith,
>>     Who blows fire on the coals,
>>     Who brings forth a weapon for his work,
>>     But I have created the destroyer to undo him."  
>>     "No weapon made to attack you will succeed,
>>     And every tongue that speaks against you shall fail;
>>     This is the heritage of the servants of the L-rd
>>     And their just reward from Me,
>>     Says HaShem."  
>>     HaShem says, "I am the One Who brought against you enemies whose
>>     aim was to  destroy you, such as Sancheriv and Nevuchadnezzar,
>>     because I used them to punish  you when you rebelled against Me. 
>>     But now, your enemies have no authorization from  Me.  They are
>>     Gog and Magog, who will fight against you immediately prior to
>>     the  Coming of the Mashiach, and be defeated by you.  And when
>>     they attack you in the  Halls of "Diplomacy" (such as the UN,
>>     Oslo or Wye (Why indeed?)), with false speech,  where you will
>>     find "Long has my soul dwelt with those who hate peace; I am for
>>     peace - but when I speak, they are plotting for war"
>>     ("Tehillim"/Psalms 120:7), I will help you defeat them there as
>>     well."
>>     The following chapter in Yeshayahu is dedicated to two great
>>     themes: Torah and Teshuvah
>>     <http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/tw.htm#teshuvah>, Repentance. 
>>     The first five P'sukim, that are part of our Haftarah, deal with
>>     Torah, the precious gift from HaShem to us and, through us, to
>>     humanity at large.  The rest of the Perek deals with Teshuvah
>>     and, appropriately, is read as the Haftarah on a "Taanit
>>     Tzibbur," a Public Fast Day, the purpose of which is the arousal
>>     of feelings of Repentance.
>>     *Yeshayahu 55:1*
>>     "Ho, everyone who is thirsty, come for water;
>>     And he that has no money,
>>     Come, buy and eat,
>>     Come buy wine and milk
>>     Without money and without price."
>>     "Mayim," the "Drink of Life," means here and in many other
>>     locations, the Torah.  Here, Yeshayahu points to our priceless
>>     possession, the Torah.  
>>     The Torah, for our People, is as vital as is water.  We are
>>     destined to be Teachers of Torah to the world, who ultimately
>>     will seek it and value it as they do food and drink.
>>     *Yeshayahu 55:2*  
>>     "Why do you spend your money on that which is not bread?
>>     And you expend effort to purchase 
>>     That which does not satisfy?
>>     Listen carefully to Me and eat that which is good,
>>     And let your soul delight in richness!"
>>     RADAK understands this Passuk as strongly advocating the study of
>>     Torah, which is called "good" in the verse, "for I have given you
>>     a *good teaching*; do not forsake My Torah!" ("Mishlei"/Proverbs
>>     4:2)
>>     And further, that the part of the Passuk that speaks of
>>     delighting the soul also speaks of the Torah, and is referring to
>>     the World-to-Come, for just as something that is fat and rich
>>     delights the body, so is the Torah a delight for the soul.
>>     *Yeshayahu 55:3*
>>     "Incline your ear, and come to Me,
>>     Hear, and your soul shall live,
>>     And I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
>>     Like the everlasting kindnesses I have shown to David." 
>>     RADAK understands this Passuk as referring to the time of the
>>     Mashiach, when the everlasting kindness that HaShem showed to
>>     David will be revealed in the person of the Mashiach, who will be
>>     a descendant of the House of David.
>>     Metzudat David also understands the Passuk to mean "Obey Me, and
>>     you will merit to be brought back to life at the time of the
>>     Mashiach."
>>     *Yeshayahu 55:4*
>>     "Behold I have given him as a witness to the nations,
>>     A prince and a commander for the nations."  
>>     RADAK again relates this Passuk to the Mashiach, whose greatness
>>     will compel the nations of the world to accept him as their
>>     commander.
>>     *Yeshayahu 55:5*
>>     "Behold you shall call a nation that you did not know,
>>     And a nation who did not know of you
>>     Will now run to you;
>>     Because HaShem your G-d,
>>     The Holy One of Israel,
>>     Has glorified you."
>>     Metzudat David explains that just as I have fulfilled My kindness
>>     with David, will I fulfill My Promise of Kindness to you.  And
>>     this will be manifested in that nations from the ends of the
>>     earth will come and do your bidding, because they sense in your
>>     behavior the special quality of holiness, implanted in you by the
>>     Presence in your midst of the Holy One of Israel.
>>     *Rabbi Pinchas Frankel*
>>     /Rabbi Frankel is an Educational C //oordinator at the OU /
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Sun Sep  7 15:16:48 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:16:48 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
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TRULY THIS IS A MIRACLE, CORNIE!!!!!!  Thank you for sharing this wonderful news with us!  BARUCH HASHEM for His great Loving-Kindness, Mercy and Grace!!!!!\

I'll keep praying for dear Jamie, and for you too.

Love,

Pat


From: Cornie Reimer 
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:03 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara



Pat, there is nothing to forgive you, I burst into tears when I read your part below, directed to me, it just hit some cord in my heart, I was so glad to hear such encouraging words concerning Cody and my grandson Jamie. I will follow up on this and especially concerning Jamie. But first, and this is to all of you dear ones, Joe for one so special to my heart, from the other side of this globe. Truly I am so awed, I do not find words to express what is going on in my heart!!!!! 

Let's just get down to earth a bit, I hope this won't get too long. I am still living in a community where it seems so quiet. It seems like life could just go on as usual, it seems like it would be so easy to just take life for granted. That is one side of my life.

BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE IMPOSSIBLE ANYMORE!!!!! Life can not go on as usual. It is the month of Alul in 2008, ( I am a little mixed up what year it is on the Jewish calendar year). I just finished watching the 9 hr. movie "Against All Odds, Israel Survives" I just  went over  "Wake up Bnei  Israel" for the second time since it was sent by Joe, and now sent by Betty as a reminder. What a mighty God we serve!!!! No word's can describe it. I feel I should be doing something  in return for what He is wooing me on. Will I be able to do justice in Techuva to fill in that little consignment He has given me? Or have I even been counted worthy of any consignment for the sake of Bnei Israel, my family, or what ever? Maybe to Jamie. In my former influence I am tempted to feel like a worm that can seemingly do so little, (yet a worm can transform into a magnificent, Monarch Butterfly and migrate to Mexico and land on the same hectar its great grandparents left to come to the north that same spring) .

As I mentioned earlier,  having watched "Against all Odds" in the miracles of Israel in the past  60 or so years, I realized that Hashem uses total unbelieving Jewish people to perform some of these astounding miracles. And of course that makes an impression on their heart as a result. I imagine that is precisely what He is doing with me. He has formed me in my mothers womb, I am the clay, He is the Potter. What He wants to do with this lump of clay is up to Him. Fortunately not up to me. Although I can still choose to do what is right, or whar is the wrong way.

Do miracles happen to us too? Absolutely! Some times I take it for granted at the time it happens. And here is an example of what I mean. I have shared  some of what is going on with Jamie in the past, how he left home at the age of 15,  quite strong in rebellion against his dad and the local Mennonite church. He got taken into a home which he took for granted was a Jewish setting in that home because they kept the Sabbath, (they had left the Worldwide Church of God, still very strong on the pagan virgin birth of the man, or prophet Yeshua.) I was invited into that home one Sabbath in the 3 short weeks of his stay there, while he was still there and tried so hard  to serve their interests as compelling real it came to him that they where of the same faith he had been rebelling against, although a totally different church. But now he finally could get into the Internet, (which was banned from him, if he did not have a business that needed it it's use) And they helped him to get his own e-mail address, and for a week or two, him and me could start to have e-mails flowing back and forth. This was all stopped short again when he rebelled against these people's control system, and was not allowed to stay with them any longer, so he reluctantly went back to the Mennonite home he had stayed with before. They took him in very reluctantly as well, because of Jamie's rebellion against their church. I am still not up to the miracle I wanted to share but it is coming, and may not seem to be much of a miracle, but it was to me.

Jamie's dad Ruben, (our youngest son, with a serious Bi-polar problem , anger etc.) set up some very stern rules for Jamie to abide by before he would be excepted to come back home. One of them, no Internet in his computer. Jamie has been controlled and boxed in all his life and finds it very difficult to make his own decisions. But now Child and Family Services have already been involved for a while since Ruben has had such bouts with anger and depression, especially against Jamie, and because of his rough struggles in this area, Ruben got expelled from the church, (he is out of the box to a point too, but is still very religiously inclined in favor of the church) But since he voluntarily turned himself in to a mental institute for 3 weeks, so they could find out how best they could help him. It was so helpful for Ruben to a point that he excepted a challenge  to  run in a  30 mile  bicycle  Marathon for a fund raiser  for this institute. And Jamie,  already a month ahead of the event, agreed, to support his dad, he would go with him in this Marathon. The day of the event was this last Saturday (Shabbat) . I had a strong feeling that I should be there to support my son. And since it had been going so rough between the two the last while, I did not expect Jamie to be there. And for one reason being he likely would not be fit to go on such a testing Marathon, because of his health challenge with his kidney replaced etc..

Now here is the miracle as I see it. Ruben and his wife Millie had to have a meeting with the Child and Family support group, the day before the Marathon, concerning the out come with Jamie. If Jamie would be willing to go on his parents rules, he could go home, if not, Child and Family Services would find a foster home for him. Jamie's sister Stephenie was staying at our place Friday for the night on the condition that I would take her along in the morning, where her parents would meet us half way to the Marathon, still a half hour drive from there. And low and behold Jamie was going to go on the Marathon with his Dad after all, (and he told me later he had done it for his dad) and he was along with them. Since they had 2 bikes along, so they did not all have room on their van. And they allowed Jamie alone to come with me!!!! Yuhoo!!!!And for the next limited half hour we had all to ourself !!! We got to talk about serious matters that had happened in the mean time. Which was the first time since I last talked with him about a month ago we could share. They could have sent along one of his sisters too, who both are church members already, and we could not have had this privacy. But it did not happen. This was the miracle. Jamie told me he had chosen to go to a foster home, but it had been a very hard decision for him to make. And he told me freely he was literally scarred of what would become of it. I told him he likely made a good choice, and it did not matter if he even sometimes would fail to make right choices, but he would gradually learn to make right choices.

I had the privilege to share with him that I had shared his struggle with you people, and that he might be surprised how many people were praying for him. He is grateful for that. Jamie did not share with me about his faith, which seems to be badly shaken again. But he told me on his own without me asking him, that he was not going to start with drugs. Again, he was quite dejected though when he just could not make the run with his bike, and had to be brought in with one of their truck's. Ruben had stayed behind just waiting for his son again and again, but after Jamie had to give it up and had take a truck  ride to the barbecue. Ruben his dad made it, not nearly the last on this 30 mile run. There were over 100 bikes in all part taking, with a barbecue and music festival in the end. I was very glad to have gone to be with my son and grandson and the whole family through this all. But I felt awfully sorry for Jamie, as he felt so dejected for a while, and now the uncertainty of his future, where he will end up having to stay. They would not for anything allow him to come and stay with us his grandparents, and I am afraid Mary's health would not allow it either. But I have a feeling he is in the hands of his maker. And the end will turn out good. And we will see that it was all for the good, Baruch Hashem. Sorry it got so long. I am going to read Psalm 91 Thank you Pat, and all of you for your prayers.

Cornie



Pat Robbins wrote: 
  Please forgive me, Cornie.  I have only just now seen this email from you.  As I read it, I just kept hoping that somehow Jamie will get to talk to Cody (maybe they will get to talk on the internet), because I feel Cody could be an encouragement to him, and I know he would love to help if he can.  I will continue to pray for your dear grandson.  I can tell you from firsthand experience that HaSHem will work in Jamie's life in absolutely miraculous ways if he'll just keep seeking after Him. It continually amazes me to watch as He works in my nephew's life.  He has only been in Israel a couple of weeks now, and HaSHem is already opening incredible doors .  He was approached on the street and asked if he would be willing to do a commercial for Israel's version of a CNN-type, all-news network, called Israel World News.  He told the girl who asked him that he would love to do it, and has now already made a couple of spot commercials for them, which he is very excited about doing because he wrote me that,  "The plan is to reach 300 million to bring the truth to the world.  The idea is to call out the politicians on their scandals and bring a Zionist point of view to fight anti-Semitic propaganda around the world."   

  This is HaSHem's doing. Cody is a stranger in the Land and this opportunity literally came to him!  He didn't even have to look for it.  What I'm trying to say is that though I worried so much over the years about his trying to make it on his own with his belief in the One G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, HE WAS NEVER REALLY ALONE!!!!  G-d was leading him every step of the way, and He will lead Jamie too.  Try not to be too grieved over the difficulties you are seeing Jamie have to face.  Just keep praying, and we will keep praying too.  Our G-d is awesome!!!

  I pray Psalm 91 over Cody, and I have him pray it over himself as well.  And now I'm praying it over Jamie.

  CHAZAK, CHAZAK, DEAR FRIEND!!!!!  May HaSHem strengthen us all.

  Love,

  Pat    






    


  From: Cornie Reimer 
  Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:47 PM
  To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
  Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara


  My dear brothers and sisters 
  I woke up storm tossed and afflicted too, as it were. It is the time of Alul, for real even for an old man like me, one of no apparent significance at all, that is, if I were to hold on to what I have been made to believe for most of my entire life. I normally should sleep another 3 or 4 hours in order to be able to go to work at 7 in the morning. But since I found such a storm brewing in my mind. I decided to put my ear phones on and listen to the last part of a CD from Rabbi Lazer Brody called "Pleased yo meet you"! I had heard it a couple of times but had always fallen asleep before I heard it all. What I heard this time was brought to my attention that it is advisable to ask Hashem for advice about everything we face in life, if we desire His blessings on it. 

  So instead of falling asleep again, the burden became heavier, so I was prompted to read the weekly (not the daily one) writing from Rabbi Abrahan Greenbaum. Which again prompted me to go to Joshua 8, referring to Joshua leading , to Israel's totally destroying every soul of their enemy in Ai, and burning the city. And it referred and led to all of Israel being gathered on the 2 mountains to hear the blessings and the curses, according to their choice, just before entering into the promised land. Now this was no child's play. To receive the blessings, always upon their choices, they would need to heed the advice of Hashem. 

  I wonder if He hears my cry? In other words, am I heeding His advice when He clearly speaks to me? Or am I crusted over with a hard shell of Mennonitism yet, that Hashem can not get through to me? I lately shared about the case with my grandson Jamie, there was such a response from the group praying for Jamie. I felt comforted just to know that it did not rest on my prayers alone. I have since talked twice to Jamie's used to be host Cohen, for those 3 weeks, and have not had the chance to talk with Jamie himself. But what I have heard from Cohen, that German couple with whom Jamie was staying. And really he didn't have hardly anything good to say about Jamie. When or what I'm reading between the lines, is a little different than what he is saying though. Now , let's keep in mind, these people are Sabbath keepers, and have left a church of a couple of million members, but he does not want to reveal the name of that church.  It seems quite obvious though that could hardly be any other than the World Wide Church of God, the adventists. Very nice people, he is quite open too, but very easily seems to believe that demonic power is involved. So when Jamie had some Lazer Brody material brought into their house, they saw demons on the walls, so that stuff had to leave the house. He also confirmed quite clearly that Jamie was demon influenced, yet he did not turn against me for being the instigator of that Jewish material. Before Jamie left from their house he had told Cohen, (that is his first name) that he, Jamie was not Jewish minded anymore. I just find it a very hard to hear this being said about Jamie. When it is quite obvious that Jamie will have found himself short changed, thinking he was finally coming into a Jewish relations by staying with these people. Only to find they were Christians too. But I am so glad to have this consolation that some of you prayer wariours are or have been praying for him. Please don't quit!

  And Joe, when we talked you suggested that I should not try to lead Jamie, but just walk beside him, and allow him to make his own choices, but to let him know that I'll be there when he needs me. Beautiful advice. I realize it is OK even if he makes some wrong choices. And that really is all I did with Jamie, I allowed him to make choices. But seems like what took years to build up any interest in the chosen people of God for one like Jamie, can  in one stroke all be destroyed by these different, but well meaning Christians.   

  I do realize that for Jamie to find his way through this maze will take a miracle. His heart seems to be a bit hardened by what he has been through.  

  Cornie


      


  YoungBarzel at aol.com wrote: 


          Haftarah of Parshat Re'eh - 5760 

          "Afflicted and Storm-Tossed One, and Not Comforted" 
          (Yeshayahu 54:11) 

          The Haftarah of Re'eh is the third of the "Haftarot of Consolation," in the series of seven such Haftarot.  Both the Ashkenazic and Sefardic communities take this Haftarah from the Book of Yeshayahu, beginning with "Perek"/Chapter 54, Verse 11, through (and including) Chapter 55, Verse 5. 

          Introduction 

          In the conversation that Avudraham constructs from these Haftarot, among HaShem, His Prophets and the People of Israel, this is the one in which the People of Israel complains that it is not comforted, because it is receiving the consolation indirectly, from the Prophets, rather than from HaShem.  Next week, the Master of the Universe gets into the act, when He says, "I, even I (using the unusual form 'Anochi) am the One Who comforts you" (Yeshayahu 51:12).  But in truth, HaShem already has declared Himself to be the "Menachem," the Comforter, in this Haftarah, where He says in the first "Passuk" (54:11), 

          "Behold, I ('Anochi') will set your stones in fair colors," 
          and again in "Passuk" (54:16), 

          "Behold, it is I ("Anochi") Who created the blacksmith, 
          Who blows fire on the coals, 
          And brings forth a weapon for his work, 
          And I ("Anochi") created the destroyer to undo him."   

          The Haftarah - Translation and Commentary   

          Yeshayahu 54:11 

          "O afflicted and storm-tossed one,
          And not comforted,
          Behold, I will set your stones in fair colors,
          And lay your foundations with sapphires."   

          All the commentators relate this promise of comfort to Yerushalayim.  Targum Yonatan says, "?the walls about which the nations of the world said that you would never be comforted, HaShem says, "I will lay its foundation with diamonds." 

          Yeshayahu 54:12 

          "And I will make your pinnacles of rubies,
          And your gates of iridescent diamonds;
          And all your borders of precious stone."   

          I will return to the City of Jerusalem, once a beautiful "wonder of the world," its aspect of physical beauty.  But that's not all. 

          Yeshayahu 54:13 

          "And all your children shall be taught by HaShem,
          And great will be the peace of your children." 

          The situation will be the opposite of that described by Yirmiyahu in the Haftarah of Parshat Masei (Yirmiyahu 2:8), the Second of the "Haftarot of Punishment,"   

          "The Priests did not ask, 'Where is HaShem?'
          And the "scholars" of Torah did not know me?" 

          RADAK points out that this idea is like that stated by Yirmiyahu,   

          "No longer will one person have to teach another, because everybody will know Me, from children to adults." 

          And this "Passuk" is also the source of the following Talmudic statement (Masechet Berachot 64a), "Rabbi Elazar said in the name of Rabbi Chanina, 'Torah scholars increase peace in the world,' as it is said, 'And all your children will be taught by  HaShem, and great will be the peace of your children;' do not read 'your children' (banayich), but 'your builders' (bonayich)." 

          Yeshayahu 54:14 

          "In righteousness shall you be established -
          Stay far away from oppression,
          Then you will have no reason to fear,
          Or to feel terror,
          For they will not approach you."   

          You will once again be the City described in Yeshayahu 1:21 as "full of Justice, in which Righteousness would lodge?" 

          Yeshayahu 54:15-17 

          "Behold, they may gather together,
          But not be sent by Me,
          Whoever conspires against you will fall." 

          "Behold, I have created the blacksmith,
          Who blows fire on the coals,
          Who brings forth a weapon for his work,
          But I have created the destroyer to undo him."   

          "No weapon made to attack you will succeed,
          And every tongue that speaks against you shall fail;
          This is the heritage of the servants of the L-rd
          And their just reward from Me,
          Says HaShem."   

          HaShem says, "I am the One Who brought against you enemies whose aim was to  destroy you, such as Sancheriv and Nevuchadnezzar, because I used them to punish  you when you rebelled against Me.  But now, your enemies have no authorization from  Me.  They are Gog and Magog, who will fight against you immediately prior to the  Coming of the Mashiach, and be defeated by you.  And when they attack you in the  Halls of "Diplomacy" (such as the UN, Oslo or Wye (Why indeed?)), with false speech,  where you will find "Long has my soul dwelt with those who hate peace; I am for peace - but when I speak, they are plotting for war" ("Tehillim"/Psalms 120:7), I will help you defeat them there as well." 

          The following chapter in Yeshayahu is dedicated to two great themes: Torah and Teshuvah, Repentance.  The first five P'sukim, that are part of our Haftarah, deal with Torah, the precious gift from HaShem to us and, through us, to humanity at large.  The rest of the Perek deals with Teshuvah and, appropriately, is read as the Haftarah on a "Taanit Tzibbur," a Public Fast Day, the purpose of which is the arousal of feelings of Repentance. 

          Yeshayahu 55:1 

          "Ho, everyone who is thirsty, come for water;
          And he that has no money,
          Come, buy and eat,
          Come buy wine and milk
          Without money and without price." 

          "Mayim," the "Drink of Life," means here and in many other locations, the Torah.  Here, Yeshayahu points to our priceless possession, the Torah.   

          The Torah, for our People, is as vital as is water.  We are destined to be Teachers of Torah to the world, who ultimately will seek it and value it as they do food and drink. 

          Yeshayahu 55:2   

          "Why do you spend your money on that which is not bread?
          And you expend effort to purchase 
          That which does not satisfy?
          Listen carefully to Me and eat that which is good,
          And let your soul delight in richness!" 

          RADAK understands this Passuk as strongly advocating the study of Torah, which is called "good" in the verse, "for I have given you a good teaching; do not forsake My Torah!" ("Mishlei"/Proverbs 4:2) 

          And further, that the part of the Passuk that speaks of delighting the soul also speaks of the Torah, and is referring to the World-to-Come, for just as something that is fat and rich delights the body, so is the Torah a delight for the soul. 

          Yeshayahu 55:3 

          "Incline your ear, and come to Me,
          Hear, and your soul shall live,
          And I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
          Like the everlasting kindnesses I have shown to David."  

          RADAK understands this Passuk as referring to the time of the Mashiach, when the everlasting kindness that HaShem showed to David will be revealed in the person of the Mashiach, who will be a descendant of the House of David. 

          Metzudat David also understands the Passuk to mean "Obey Me, and you will merit to be brought back to life at the time of the Mashiach." 

          Yeshayahu 55:4 

          "Behold I have given him as a witness to the nations,
          A prince and a commander for the nations."   

          RADAK again relates this Passuk to the Mashiach, whose greatness will compel the nations of the world to accept him as their commander. 

          Yeshayahu 55:5 

          "Behold you shall call a nation that you did not know,
          And a nation who did not know of you
          Will now run to you;
          Because HaShem your G-d,
          The Holy One of Israel,
          Has glorified you." 

          Metzudat David explains that just as I have fulfilled My kindness with David, will I fulfill My Promise of Kindness to you.  And this will be manifested in that nations from the ends of the earth will come and do your bidding, because they sense in your behavior the special quality of holiness, implanted in you by the Presence in your midst of the Holy One of Israel. 

          Rabbi Pinchas Frankel 

          Rabbi Frankel is an Educational C oordinator at the OU 
         





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Cornie,

This is indeed good news.
Am very positive about Jamie being freed form his 
prison environment soon, and have been of that 
mindset since you let us know about him.  He is 
on his way out of it already.  Against all odds, he will be set free.
We can give thanks and pray to that effect.

Steve

At 01:03 PM 9/7/2008, you wrote:

>Pat, there is nothing to forgive you, I burst 
>into tears when I read your part below, directed 
>to me, it just hit some cord in my heart, I was 
>so glad to hear such encouraging words 
>concerning Cody and my grandson Jamie. I will 
>follow up on this and especially concerning 
>Jamie. But first, and this is to all of you dear 
>ones, Joe for one so special to my heart, from 
>the other side of this globe. Truly I am so 
>awed, I do not find words to express what is going on in my heart!!!!!
>
>Let's just get down to earth a bit, I hope this 
>won't get too long. I am still living in a 
>community where it seems so quiet. It seems like 
>life could just go on as usual, it seems like it 
>would be so easy to just take life for granted. That is one side of my life.
>
>BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE IMPOSSIBLE ANYMORE!!!!! 
>Life can not go on as usual. It is the month of 
>Alul in 2008, ( I am a little mixed up what year 
>it is on the Jewish calendar year). I just 
>finished watching the 9 hr. movie "Against All 
>Odds, Israel Survives" I just?  went 
>over?  "Wake up Bnei?  Israel" for the second 
>time since it was sent by Joe, and now sent by 
>Betty as a reminder. What a mighty God we 
>serve!!!! No word's can describe it. I feel I 
>should be doing something?  in return for what 
>He is wooing me on. Will I be able to do justice 
>in Techuva to fill in that little consignment He 
>has given me? Or have I even been counted worthy 
>of any consignment for the sake of Bnei Israel, 
>my family, or what ever? Maybe to Jamie. In my 
>former influence I am tempted to feel like a 
>worm that can seemingly do so little, (yet a 
>worm can transform into a magnificent, Monarch 
>Butterfly and migrate to Mexico and land on the 
>same hectar its great grandparents left to come 
>to the north that same spring) .
>
>As I mentioned earlier,?  having watched 
>"Against all Odds" in the miracles of Israel in 
>the past?  60 or so years, I realized that 
>Hashem uses total unbelieving Jewish people to 
>perform some of these astounding miracles. And 
>of course that makes an impression on their 
>heart as a result. I imagine that is precisely 
>what He is doing with me. He has formed me in my 
>mothers womb, I am the clay, He is the Potter. 
>What He wants to do with this lump of clay is up 
>to Him. Fortunately not up to me. Although I can 
>still choose to do what is right, or whar is the wrong way.
>
>Do miracles happen to us too? Absolutely! Some 
>times I take it for granted at the time it 
>happens. And here is an example of what I mean. 
>I have shared?  some of what is going on with 
>Jamie in the past, how he left home at the age 
>of 15,?  quite strong in rebellion against his 
>dad and the local Mennonite church. He got taken 
>into a home which he took for granted was a 
>Jewish setting in that home because they kept 
>the Sabbath, (they had left the Worldwide Church 
>of God, still very strong on the pagan virgin 
>birth of the man, or prophet Yeshua.) I was 
>invited into that home one Sabbath in the 3 
>short weeks of his stay there, while he was 
>still there and tried so hard?  to serve their 
>interests as compelling real it came to him that 
>they where of the same faith he had been 
>rebelling against, although a totally different 
>church. But now he finally could get into the 
>Internet, (which was banned from him, if he did 
>not have a business that needed it it's use) And 
>they helped him to get his own e-mail address, 
>and for a week or two, him and me could start to 
>have e-mails flowing back and forth. This was 
>all stopped short again when he rebelled against 
>these people's control system, and was not 
>allowed to stay with them any longer, so he 
>reluctantly went back to the Mennonite home he 
>had stayed with before. They took him in very 
>reluctantly as well, because of Jamie's 
>rebellion against their church. I am still not 
>up to the miracle I wanted to share but it is 
>coming, and may not seem to be much of a miracle, but it was to me.
>
>Jamie's dad Ruben, (our youngest son, with a 
>serious Bi-polar problem, anger etc.) set up 
>some very stern rules for Jamie to abide by 
>before he would be excepted to come back home. 
>One of them, no Internet in his computer. Jamie 
>has been controlled and boxed in all his life 
>and finds it very difficult to make his own 
>decisions. But now Child and Family Services 
>have already been involved for a while since 
>Ruben has had such bouts with anger and 
>depression, especially against Jamie, and 
>because of his rough struggles in this area, 
>Ruben got expelled from the church, (he is out 
>of the box to a point too, but is still very 
>religiously inclined in favor of the church) But 
>since he voluntarily turned himself in to a 
>mental institute for 3 weeks, so they could find 
>out how best they could help him. It was so 
>helpful for Ruben to a point that he excepted a 
>challenge?  to?  run in a?  30 
>mile?  bicycle?  Marathon for a fund 
>raiser?  for this institute. And 
>Jamie,?  already a month ahead of the event, 
>agreed, to support his dad, he would go with him 
>in this Marathon. The day of the event was this 
>last Saturday (Shabbat) . I had a strong feeling 
>that I should be there to support my son. And 
>since it had been going so rough between the two 
>the last while, I did not expect Jamie to be 
>there. And for one reason being he likely would 
>not be fit to go on such a testing Marathon, 
>because of his health challenge with his kidney replaced etc..
>
>Now here is the miracle as I see it. Ruben and 
>his wife Millie had to have a meeting with the 
>Child and Family support group, the day before 
>the Marathon, concerning the out come with 
>Jamie. If Jamie would be willing to go on his 
>parents rules, he could go home, if not, Child 
>and Family Services would find a foster home for 
>him. Jamie's sister Stephenie was staying at our 
>place Friday for the night on the condition that 
>I would take her along in the morning, where her 
>parents would meet us half way to the Marathon, 
>still a half hour drive from there. And low and 
>behold Jamie was going to go on the Marathon 
>with his Dad after all, (and he told me later he 
>had done it for his dad) and he was along with 
>them. Since they had 2 bikes along, so they did 
>not all have room on their van. And they allowed 
>Jamie alone to come with me!!!! Yuhoo!!!!And for 
>the next limited half hour we had all to ourself 
>!!! We got to talk about serious matters that 
>had happened in the mean time. Which was the 
>first time since I last talked with him about a 
>month ago we could share. They could have sent 
>along one of his sisters too, who both are 
>church members already, and we could not have 
>had this privacy. But it did not happen. This 
>was the miracle. Jamie told me he had chosen to 
>go to a foster home, but it had been a very hard 
>decision for him to make. And he told me freely 
>he was literally scarred of what would become of 
>it. I told him he likely made a good choice, and 
>it did not matter if he even sometimes would 
>fail to make right choices, but he would gradually learn to make right choices.
>
>I had the privilege to share with him that I had 
>shared his struggle with you people, and that he 
>might be surprised how many people were praying 
>for him. He is grateful for that. Jamie did not 
>share with me about his faith, which seems to be 
>badly shaken again. But he told me on his own 
>without me asking him, that he was not going to 
>start with drugs. Again, he was quite dejected 
>though when he just could not make the run with 
>his bike, and had to be brought in with one of 
>their truck's. Ruben had stayed behind just 
>waiting for his son again and again, but after 
>Jamie had to give it up and had take a 
>truck?  ride to the barbecue. Ruben his dad made 
>it, not nearly the last on this 30 mile run. 
>There were over 100 bikes in all part taking, 
>with a barbecue and music festival in the end. I 
>was very glad to have gone to be with my son and 
>grandson and the whole family through this all. 
>But I felt awfully sorry for Jamie, as he felt 
>so dejected for a while, and now the uncertainty 
>of his future, where he will end up having to 
>stay. They would not for anything allow him to 
>come and stay with us his grandparents, and I am 
>afraid Mary's health would not allow it either. 
>But I have a feeling he is in the hands of his 
>maker. And the end will turn out good. And we 
>will see that it was all for the good, Baruch 
>Hashem. Sorry it got so long. I am going to read 
>Psalm 91 Thank you Pat, and all of you for your prayers.
>
>Cornie
>
>
>
>Pat Robbins wrote:
>>Please forgive me, Cornie.?  I have only just 
>>now seen this email from you.?  As I read it, I 
>>just kept hoping that somehow Jamie will get to 
>>talk to Cody (maybe they will get to talk on 
>>the internet), because? I? feel Cody? could be 
>>an encouragement? to him, and I know he would 
>>love to help if he can.?  I will continue to 
>>pray for your dear grandson.?  I can tell you 
>>from firsthand experience that HaSHem will work 
>>in Jamie's life in absolutely miraculous ways 
>>if he'll just keep seeking after Him.? It 
>>continually? amazes me to watch as He? works in 
>>my nephew's life.?  He? has only been in Israel 
>>a couple of weeks now, and? HaSHem is already 
>>opening incredible? doors .?  He was approached 
>>on the street? and asked if he would be willing 
>>to? do a commercial for Israel's version of a 
>>CNN-type, all-news? network, called Israel 
>>World News.?  He? told the girl who asked him 
>>that he would love to do it, and has now 
>>already made a couple of spot commercials for 
>>them, which he is very excited about doing? 
>>because he? wrote me that,?  "The plan is to 
>>reach 300 million to bring the truth to the 
>>world.?  The idea is to call out the 
>>politicians on their scandals and bring a 
>>Zionist point of view to fight anti-Semitic? propaganda around the world."? ?
>>?
>>This is HaSHem's doing.? Cody is a stranger in 
>>the Land and this opportunity? literally came 
>>to him!?  He didn't even have to look for? it. 
>>? What I'm trying to say is that though I 
>>worried so much over the? years? about his 
>>trying to make it on his own with his belief in 
>>the One? G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, HE 
>>WAS NEVER REALLY ALONE!!!!?  G-d was leading 
>>him every step of the way, and He will lead 
>>Jamie too.?  Try not to be too grieved over the 
>>difficulties you are seeing Jamie have to 
>>face.?  Just keep praying, and we will keep 
>>praying too.?  Our G-d is awesome!!!
>>?
>>I pray Psalm 91 over Cody, and I have him pray 
>>it over himself as well.? ? And now I'm praying it over Jamie.
>>?
>>CHAZAK, CHAZAK, DEAR FRIEND!!!!!?  May HaSHem strengthen us all.
>>?
>>Love,
>>?
>>Pat? ? ?
>>?
>>?
>>?
>>?
>>?
>>?
>>?
>>
>>From: <mailto:correim at gninc.ca>Cornie Reimer
>>Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:47 PM
>>To: <mailto:dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
>>Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
>>
>>My dear brothers and sisters
>>I woke up storm tossed and afflicted too, as it 
>>were. It is the time of Alul, for real even for 
>>an old man like me, one of no apparent 
>>significance at all, that is, if I were to hold 
>>on to what I have been made to believe for most 
>>of my entire life. I normally should sleep 
>>another 3 or 4 hours in order to be able to go 
>>to work at 7 in the morning. But since I found 
>>such a storm brewing in my mind. I decided to 
>>put my ear phones on and listen to the last 
>>part of a CD from Rabbi Lazer Brody called 
>>"Pleased yo meet you"! I had heard it a couple 
>>of times but had always fallen asleep before I 
>>heard it all. What I heard this time was 
>>brought to my attention that it is advisable to 
>>ask Hashem for advice about everything we face 
>>in life, if we desire His blessings on it.
>>
>>So instead of falling asleep again, the burden 
>>became heavier, so I was prompted to read the 
>>weekly (not the daily one) writing from Rabbi 
>>Abrahan Greenbaum. Which again prompted me to 
>>go to Joshua 8, referring to Joshua leading , 
>>to Israel's totally destroying every soul of 
>>their enemy in Ai, and burning the city. And it 
>>referred and led to all of Israel being 
>>gathered on the 2 mountains to hear the 
>>blessings and the curses, according to their 
>>choice, just before entering into the promised 
>>land. Now this was no child's play. To receive 
>>the blessings, always upon their choices, they 
>>would need to heed the advice of Hashem.
>>
>>I wonder if He hears my cry? In other words, am 
>>I heeding His advice when He clearly speaks to 
>>me? Or am I crusted over with a hard shell of 
>>Mennonitism yet, that Hashem can not get 
>>through to me? I lately shared about the case 
>>with my grandson Jamie, there was such a 
>>response from the group praying for Jamie. I 
>>felt comforted just to know that it did not 
>>rest on my prayers alone. I have since talked 
>>twice to Jamie's used to be host Cohen, for 
>>those 3 weeks, and have not had the chance to 
>>talk with Jamie himself. But what I have heard 
>>from Cohen, that German couple with whom Jamie 
>>was staying. And really he didn't have hardly 
>>anything good to say about Jamie. When or what 
>>I'm reading between the lines, is a little 
>>different than what he is saying though. Now , 
>>let's keep in mind, these people are Sabbath 
>>keepers, and have left a church of a couple of 
>>million members, but he does not want to reveal 
>>the name of that church.?  It seems quite 
>>obvious though that could hardly be any other 
>>than the World Wide Church of God, the 
>>adventists. Very nice people, he is quite open 
>>too, but very easily seems to believe that 
>>demonic power is involved. So when Jamie had 
>>some Lazer Brody material brought into their 
>>house, they saw demons on the walls, so that 
>>stuff had to leave the house. He also confirmed 
>>quite clearly that Jamie was demon influenced, 
>>yet he did not turn against me for being the 
>>instigator of that Jewish material. Before 
>>Jamie left from their house he had told Cohen, 
>>(that is his first name) that he, Jamie was not 
>>Jewish minded anymore. I just find it a very 
>>hard to hear this being said about Jamie. When 
>>it is quite obvious that Jamie will have found 
>>himself short changed, thinking he was finally 
>>coming into a Jewish relations by staying with 
>>these people. Only to find they were Christians 
>>too. But I am so glad to have this consolation 
>>that some of you prayer wariours are or have 
>>been praying for him. Please don't quit!
>>
>>And Joe, when we talked you suggested that I 
>>should not try to lead Jamie, but just walk 
>>beside him, and allow him to make his own 
>>choices, but to let him know that I'll be there 
>>when he needs me. Beautiful advice. I realize 
>>it is OK even if he makes some wrong choices. 
>>And that really is all I did with Jamie, I 
>>allowed him to make choices. But seems like 
>>what took years to build up any interest in the 
>>chosen people of God for one like Jamie, 
>>can?  in one stroke all be destroyed by these 
>>different, but well meaning Christians. ?
>>
>>I do realize that for Jamie to find his way 
>>through this maze will take a miracle. His 
>>heart seems to be a bit hardened by what he has been through.?
>>
>>Cornie
>>
>>
>>?  ?
>>
>>
>><mailto:YoungBarzel at aol.com>YoungBarzel at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>Haftarah of Parshat Re'eh - 5760
>>>
>>>"Afflicted and Storm-Tossed One, and Not Comforted"?
>>>(Yeshayahu 54:11)
>>>
>>>The Haftarah of Re'eh is the third of the 
>>>"Haftarot of Consolation," in the series of 
>>>seven such Haftarot.?  Both the 
>>><http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/a.htm#ashkenaz>Ashkenazic 
>>>and 
>>><http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/s.htm#sefard>Sefardic 
>>>communities take this Haftarah from the Book 
>>>of Yeshayahu, beginning with "Perek"/Chapter 
>>>54, Verse 11, through (and including) Chapter 55, Verse 5.
>>>
>>>Introduction
>>>
>>>In the conversation that Avudraham constructs 
>>>from these Haftarot, among HaShem, His 
>>>Prophets and the People of Israel, this is the 
>>>one in which the People of Israel complains 
>>>that it is not comforted, because it is 
>>>receiving the consolation indirectly, from the 
>>>Prophets, rather than from HaShem.?  Next 
>>>week, the Master of the Universe gets into the 
>>>act, when He says, "I, even I (using the 
>>>unusual form 'Anochi) am the One Who comforts 
>>>you" (Yeshayahu 51:12).?  But in truth, HaShem 
>>>already has declared Himself to be the 
>>>"Menachem," the Comforter, in this Haftarah, 
>>>where He says in the first "Passuk" (54:11),
>>>
>>>"Behold, I ('Anochi') will set your stones in fair colors,"?
>>>and again in "Passuk" (54:16),?
>>>
>>>"Behold, it is I ("Anochi") Who created the blacksmith,?
>>>Who blows fire on the coals,?
>>>And brings forth a weapon for his work,?
>>>And I ("Anochi") created the destroyer to undo him." ?
>>>
>>>The Haftarah - Translation and Commentary ?
>>>
>>>Yeshayahu 54:11
>>>
>>>"O afflicted and storm-tossed one,
>>>And not comforted,
>>>Behold, I will set your stones in fair colors,
>>>And lay your foundations with sapphires." ?
>>>
>>>All the commentators relate this promise of 
>>>comfort to Yerushalayim.?  Targum Yonatan 
>>>says, "
the walls about which the nations of 
>>>the world said that you would never be 
>>>comforted, HaShem says, "I will lay its foundation with diamonds."
>>>
>>>Yeshayahu 54:12
>>>
>>>"And I will make your pinnacles of rubies,
>>>And your gates of iridescent diamonds;
>>>And all your borders of precious stone." ?
>>>
>>>I will return to the City of Jerusalem, once a 
>>>beautiful "wonder of the world," its aspect of 
>>>physical beauty.?  But that's not all.
>>>
>>>Yeshayahu 54:13
>>>
>>>"And all your children shall be taught by HaShem,
>>>And great will be the peace of your children."
>>>
>>>The situation will be the opposite of that 
>>>described by Yirmiyahu in the Haftarah of 
>>>Parshat Masei (Yirmiyahu 2:8), the Second of the "Haftarot of Punishment," ?
>>>
>>>"The Priests did not ask, 'Where is HaShem?'
>>>And the "scholars" of Torah did not know me
"
>>>
>>>RADAK points out that this idea is like that stated by Yirmiyahu, ?
>>>
>>>"No longer will one person have to teach 
>>>another, because everybody will know Me, from children to adults."
>>>
>>>And this "Passuk" is also the source of the 
>>>following Talmudic statement 
>>>(<http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/m.htm#masechet>Masechet 
>>>Berachot 64a), "Rabbi Elazar said in the name 
>>>of Rabbi Chanina, 'Torah scholars increase 
>>>peace in the world,' as it is said, 'And all 
>>>your children will be taught by?  HaShem, and 
>>>great will be the peace of your children;' do 
>>>not read 'your children' (banayich), but 'your builders' (bonayich)."
>>>
>>>Yeshayahu 54:14
>>>
>>>"In righteousness shall you be established -
>>>Stay far away from oppression,
>>>Then you will have no reason to fear,
>>>Or to feel terror,
>>>For they will not approach you." ?
>>>
>>>You will once again be the City described in 
>>>Yeshayahu 1:21 as "full of Justice, in which Righteousness would lodge
"
>>>
>>>Yeshayahu 54:15-17
>>>
>>>"Behold, they may gather together,
>>>But not be sent by Me,
>>>Whoever conspires against you will fall."
>>>
>>>"Behold, I have created the blacksmith,
>>>Who blows fire on the coals,
>>>Who brings forth a weapon for his work,
>>>But I have created the destroyer to undo him." ?
>>>
>>>"No weapon made to attack you will succeed,
>>>And every tongue that speaks against you shall fail;
>>>This is the heritage of the servants of the L-rd
>>>And their just reward from Me,
>>>Says HaShem." ?
>>>
>>>HaShem says, "I am the One Who brought against 
>>>you enemies whose aim was to?  destroy you, 
>>>such as Sancheriv and Nevuchadnezzar, because 
>>>I used them to punish?  you when you rebelled 
>>>against Me.?  But now, your enemies have no 
>>>authorization from?  Me.?  They are Gog and 
>>>Magog, who will fight against you immediately 
>>>prior to the?  Coming of the Mashiach, and be 
>>>defeated by you.?  And when they attack you in 
>>>the?  Halls of "Diplomacy" (such as the UN, 
>>>Oslo or Wye (Why indeed?)), with false 
>>>speech,?  where you will find "Long has my 
>>>soul dwelt with those who hate peace; I am for 
>>>peace - but when I speak, they are plotting 
>>>for war" ("Tehillim"/Psalms 120:7), I will 
>>>help you defeat them there as well."
>>>
>>>The following chapter in Yeshayahu is 
>>>dedicated to two great themes: Torah and 
>>><http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/tw.htm#teshuvah>Teshuvah, 
>>>Repentance.?  The first five P'sukim, that are 
>>>part of our Haftarah, deal with Torah, the 
>>>precious gift from HaShem to us and, through 
>>>us, to humanity at large.?  The rest of the 
>>>Perek deals with Teshuvah and, appropriately, 
>>>is read as the Haftarah on a "Taanit Tzibbur," 
>>>a Public Fast Day, the purpose of which is the 
>>>arousal of feelings of Repentance.
>>>
>>>Yeshayahu 55:1
>>>
>>>"Ho, everyone who is thirsty, come for water;
>>>And he that has no money,
>>>Come, buy and eat,
>>>Come buy wine and milk
>>>Without money and without price."
>>>
>>>"Mayim," the "Drink of Life," means here and 
>>>in many other locations, the Torah.?  Here, 
>>>Yeshayahu points to our priceless possession, the Torah. ?
>>>
>>>The Torah, for our People, is as vital as is 
>>>water.?  We are destined to be Teachers of 
>>>Torah to the world, who ultimately will seek 
>>>it and value it as they do food and drink.
>>>
>>>Yeshayahu 55:2 ?
>>>
>>>"Why do you spend your money on that which is not bread?
>>>And you expend effort to purchase?
>>>That which does not satisfy?
>>>Listen carefully to Me and eat that which is good,
>>>And let your soul delight in richness!"
>>>
>>>RADAK understands this Passuk as strongly 
>>>advocating the study of Torah, which is called 
>>>"good" in the verse, "for I have given you a 
>>>good teaching; do not forsake My Torah!" ("Mishlei"/Proverbs 4:2)
>>>
>>>And further, that the part of the Passuk that 
>>>speaks of delighting the soul also speaks of 
>>>the Torah, and is referring to the 
>>>World-to-Come, for just as something that is 
>>>fat and rich delights the body, so is the Torah a delight for the soul.
>>>
>>>Yeshayahu 55:3
>>>
>>>"Incline your ear, and come to Me,
>>>Hear, and your soul shall live,
>>>And I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
>>>Like the everlasting kindnesses I have shown to David."?
>>>
>>>RADAK understands this Passuk as referring to 
>>>the time of the Mashiach, when the everlasting 
>>>kindness that HaShem showed to David will be 
>>>revealed in the person of the Mashiach, who 
>>>will be a descendant of the House of David.
>>>
>>>Metzudat David also understands the Passuk to 
>>>mean "Obey Me, and you will merit to be 
>>>brought back to life at the time of the Mashiach."
>>>
>>>Yeshayahu 55:4
>>>
>>>"Behold I have given him as a witness to the nations,
>>>A prince and a commander for the nations." ?
>>>
>>>RADAK again relates this Passuk to the 
>>>Mashiach, whose greatness will compel the 
>>>nations of the world to accept him as their commander.
>>>
>>>Yeshayahu 55:5
>>>
>>>"Behold you shall call a nation that you did not know,
>>>And a nation who did not know of you
>>>Will now run to you;
>>>Because HaShem your G-d,
>>>The Holy One of Israel,
>>>Has glorified you."
>>>
>>>Metzudat David explains that just as I have 
>>>fulfilled My kindness with David, will I 
>>>fulfill My Promise of Kindness to you.?  And 
>>>this will be manifested in that nations from 
>>>the ends of the earth will come and do your 
>>>bidding, because they sense in your behavior 
>>>the special quality of holiness, implanted in 
>>>you by the Presence in your midst of the Holy One of Israel.
>>>
>>>Rabbi Pinchas Frankel
>>>
>>>Rabbi Frankel is an Educational C oordinator at the OU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 
>>>Find your travel deal 
>>><http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047>here.
>>>
>>>
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From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:02:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
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Dear Cornie:
?
Thank you for the update and so glad to hear about the wonderful circumstances which allowed you to be able to speak with Jamie alone. Will keep praying for Jamie and you and your entire family.? Kind regards,? Helen

--- On Sun, 9/7/08, Cornie Reimer <correim at gninc.ca> wrote:

From: Cornie Reimer <correim at gninc.ca>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 4:09 PM


Thank you Helen, what a balm, that I have only felt so strong of late when formerly total strangers take note and will pray for Jamie. May Hashem richly bless you 

Cornie



Helen Lusk wrote: 





Dear Cornie:
?
I am continuing to pray for Jamie and for you too. Hashem knows where he is and is watching over him. May Jamie cry out to his heavenly Father to lead,guide and protect him and may he be aware of Hashem's presence, May it be soon that Jamie will?find the solace and comfort he needs?in his search for truth. Kind regards,,Helen
?
P.S. Sorry this is late, but I have been away in NC for almost a week visiting family.



From: Cornie Reimer <correim at gninc.ca>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 9:47 PM


My dear brothers and sisters 
I woke up storm tossed and afflicted too, as it were. It is the time of Alul, for real even for an old man like me, one of no apparent significance at all, that is, if I were to hold on to what I have been made to believe for most of my entire life. I normally should sleep another 3 or 4 hours in order to be able to go to work at 7 in the morning. But since I found such a storm brewing in my mind. I decided to put my ear phones on and listen to the last part of a CD from Rabbi Lazer Brody called "Pleased yo meet you"! I had heard it a couple of times but had always fallen asleep before I heard it all. What I heard this time was brought to my attention that it is advisable to ask Hashem for advice about everything we face in life, if we desire His blessings on it. 

So instead of falling asleep again, the burden became heavier, so I was prompted to read the weekly (not the daily one) writing from Rabbi Abrahan Greenbaum. Which again prompted me to go to Joshua 8, referring to Joshua leading , to Israel's totally destroying every soul of their enemy in Ai, and burning the city. And it referred and led to all of Israel being gathered on the 2 mountains to hear the blessings and the curses, according to their choice, just before entering into the promised land. Now this was no child's play. To receive the blessings, always upon their choices, they would need to heed the advice of Hashem. 

I wonder if He hears my cry? In other words, am I heeding His advice when He clearly speaks to me? Or am I crusted over with a hard shell of Mennonitism yet, that Hashem can not get through to me? I lately shared about the case with my grandson Jamie, there was such a response from the group praying for Jamie. I felt comforted just to know that it did not rest on my prayers alone. I have since talked twice to Jamie's used to be host Cohen, for those 3 weeks, and have not had the chance to talk with Jamie himself. But what I have heard from Cohen, that German couple with whom Jamie was staying. And really he didn't have hardly anything good to say about Jamie. When or what I'm reading between the lines, is a little different than what he is saying though. Now , let's keep in mind, these people are Sabbath keepers, and have left a church of a couple of million members, but he does not want to reveal the name of that church.? It seems quite obvious though
 that could hardly be any other than the World Wide Church of God, the adventists. Very nice people, he is quite open too, but very easily seems to believe that demonic power is involved. So when Jamie had some Lazer Brody material brought into their house, they saw demons on the walls, so that stuff had to leave the house. He also confirmed quite clearly that Jamie was demon influenced, yet he did not turn against me for being the instigator of that Jewish material. Before Jamie left from their house he had told Cohen, (that is his first name) that he, Jamie was not Jewish minded anymore. I just find it a very hard to hear this being said about Jamie. When it is quite obvious that Jamie will have found himself short changed, thinking he was finally coming into a Jewish relations by staying with these people. Only to find they were Christians too. But I am so glad to have this consolation that some of you prayer wariours are or have been praying for him.
 Please don't quit!

And Joe, when we talked you suggested that I should not try to lead Jamie, but just walk beside him, and allow him to make his own choices, but to let him know that I'll be there when he needs me. Beautiful advice. I realize it is OK even if he makes some wrong choices. And that really is all I did with Jamie, I allowed him to make choices. But seems like what took years to build up any interest in the chosen people of God for one like Jamie, can? in one stroke all be destroyed by these different, but well meaning Christians. ? 

I do realize that for Jamie to find his way through this maze will take a miracle. His heart seems to be a bit hardened by what he has been through.? 

Cornie


? ? 


YoungBarzel at aol.com wrote: 







Haftarah of Parshat Re'eh - 5760 
"Afflicted and Storm-Tossed One, and Not Comforted"?
(Yeshayahu 54:11) 
The Haftarah of Re'eh is the third of the "Haftarot of Consolation," in the series of seven such Haftarot.? Both the Ashkenazic and Sefardic communities take this Haftarah from the Book of Yeshayahu, beginning with "Perek"/Chapter 54, Verse 11, through (and including) Chapter 55, Verse 5. 
Introduction 
In the conversation that Avudraham constructs from these Haftarot, among HaShem, His Prophets and the People of Israel, this is the one in which the People of Israel complains that it is not comforted, because it is receiving the consolation indirectly, from the Prophets, rather than from HaShem.? Next week, the Master of the Universe gets into the act, when He says, "I, even I (using the unusual form 'Anochi) am the One Who comforts you" (Yeshayahu 51:12).? But in truth, HaShem already has declared Himself to be the "Menachem," the Comforter, in this Haftarah, where He says in the first "Passuk" (54:11), 
"Behold, I ('Anochi') will set your stones in fair colors,"?
and again in "Passuk" (54:16),?
"Behold, it is I ("Anochi") Who created the blacksmith,?
Who blows fire on the coals,?
And brings forth a weapon for his work,?
And I ("Anochi") created the destroyer to undo him." ? 
The Haftarah - Translation and Commentary ? 
Yeshayahu 54:11 
"O afflicted and storm-tossed one,
And not comforted,
Behold, I will set your stones in fair colors,
And lay your foundations with sapphires." ? 
All the commentators relate this promise of comfort to Yerushalayim.? Targum Yonatan says, "?the walls about which the nations of the world said that you would never be comforted, HaShem says, "I will lay its foundation with diamonds." 
Yeshayahu 54:12 
"And I will make your pinnacles of rubies,
And your gates of iridescent diamonds;
And all your borders of precious stone." ? 
I will return to the City of Jerusalem, once a beautiful "wonder of the world," its aspect of physical beauty.? But that's not all. 
Yeshayahu 54:13 
"And all your children shall be taught by HaShem,
And great will be the peace of your children." 
The situation will be the opposite of that described by Yirmiyahu in the Haftarah of Parshat Masei (Yirmiyahu 2:8), the Second of the "Haftarot of Punishment," ? 
"The Priests did not ask, 'Where is HaShem?'
And the "scholars" of Torah did not know me?" 
RADAK points out that this idea is like that stated by Yirmiyahu, ? 
"No longer will one person have to teach another, because everybody will know Me, from children to adults." 
And this "Passuk" is also the source of the following Talmudic statement (Masechet Berachot 64a), "Rabbi Elazar said in the name of Rabbi Chanina, 'Torah scholars increase peace in the world,' as it is said, 'And all your children will be taught by? HaShem, and great will be the peace of your children;' do not read 'your children' (banayich), but 'your builders' (bonayich)." 
Yeshayahu 54:14 
"In righteousness shall you be established -
Stay far away from oppression,
Then you will have no reason to fear,
Or to feel terror,
For they will not approach you." ? 
You will once again be the City described in Yeshayahu 1:21 as "full of Justice, in which Righteousness would lodge?" 
Yeshayahu 54:15-17 
"Behold, they may gather together,
But not be sent by Me,
Whoever conspires against you will fall." 
"Behold, I have created the blacksmith,
Who blows fire on the coals,
Who brings forth a weapon for his work,
But I have created the destroyer to undo him." ? 
"No weapon made to attack you will succeed,
And every tongue that speaks against you shall fail;
This is the heritage of the servants of the L-rd
And their just reward from Me,
Says HaShem." ? 
HaShem says, "I am the One Who brought against you enemies whose aim was to? destroy you, such as Sancheriv and Nevuchadnezzar, because I used them to punish? you when you rebelled against Me.? But now, your enemies have no authorization from? Me.? They are Gog and Magog, who will fight against you immediately prior to the? Coming of the Mashiach, and be defeated by you.? And when they attack you in the? Halls of "Diplomacy" (such as the UN, Oslo or Wye (Why indeed?)), with false speech,? where you will find "Long has my soul dwelt with those who hate peace; I am for peace - but when I speak, they are plotting for war" ("Tehillim"/Psalms 120:7), I will help you defeat them there as well." 
The following chapter in Yeshayahu is dedicated to two great themes: Torah and Teshuvah, Repentance.? The first five P'sukim, that are part of our Haftarah, deal with Torah, the precious gift from HaShem to us and, through us, to humanity at large.? The rest of the Perek deals with Teshuvah and, appropriately, is read as the Haftarah on a "Taanit Tzibbur," a Public Fast Day, the purpose of which is the arousal of feelings of Repentance. 
Yeshayahu 55:1 
"Ho, everyone who is thirsty, come for water;
And he that has no money,
Come, buy and eat,
Come buy wine and milk
Without money and without price." 
"Mayim," the "Drink of Life," means here and in many other locations, the Torah.? Here, Yeshayahu points to our priceless possession, the Torah. ? 
The Torah, for our People, is as vital as is water.? We are destined to be Teachers of Torah to the world, who ultimately will seek it and value it as they do food and drink. 
Yeshayahu 55:2 ? 
"Why do you spend your money on that which is not bread?
And you expend effort to purchase?
That which does not satisfy?
Listen carefully to Me and eat that which is good,
And let your soul delight in richness!" 
RADAK understands this Passuk as strongly advocating the study of Torah, which is called "good" in the verse, "for I have given you a good teaching; do not forsake My Torah!" ("Mishlei"/Proverbs 4:2) 
And further, that the part of the Passuk that speaks of delighting the soul also speaks of the Torah, and is referring to the World-to-Come, for just as something that is fat and rich delights the body, so is the Torah a delight for the soul. 
Yeshayahu 55:3 
"Incline your ear, and come to Me,
Hear, and your soul shall live,
And I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
Like the everlasting kindnesses I have shown to David."? 
RADAK understands this Passuk as referring to the time of the Mashiach, when the everlasting kindness that HaShem showed to David will be revealed in the person of the Mashiach, who will be a descendant of the House of David. 
Metzudat David also understands the Passuk to mean "Obey Me, and you will merit to be brought back to life at the time of the Mashiach." 
Yeshayahu 55:4 
"Behold I have given him as a witness to the nations,
A prince and a commander for the nations." ? 
RADAK again relates this Passuk to the Mashiach, whose greatness will compel the nations of the world to accept him as their commander. 
Yeshayahu 55:5 
"Behold you shall call a nation that you did not know,
And a nation who did not know of you
Will now run to you;
Because HaShem your G-d,
The Holy One of Israel,
Has glorified you." 
Metzudat David explains that just as I have fulfilled My kindness with David, will I fulfill My Promise of Kindness to you.? And this will be manifested in that nations from the ends of the earth will come and do your bidding, because they sense in your behavior the special quality of holiness, implanted in you by the Presence in your midst of the Holy One of Israel. 
Rabbi Pinchas Frankel 
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 20:54:17 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:54:17 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT: Chaverim Network is up!
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Hey Steve,

   Glad to hear this news, thanks for sharing it!  Another step toward
actually getting to know each other...wow, what a concept, huh?  :-)  Thanks
for all of your efforts (and Rav Avraham, too!) in making this happen.

    Best regards,
          * Hanoch
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On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com>wrote:

> Friends,
>
> It is with much jubilation that I am announcing the startup of the new
> Chaverim Network. After some prolonged birth pangs, the worldwide network
> for Torah seekers is up and running.  It is conducted  out of Jerusalem,
> under the auspices of Rabbi Avraham Greenbaum, of http://www.azamra.org.
>  He announced it this morning in his weekly Sunday live chat room class from
> Jerusalem.  Its purpose is to enable Torah seekers to network with each
> other. Some of the major groups who would be interested are Jews,  Bnei
> Noach and "the growing Ephraim movement" as well as any others who want to
> look to the Torah and the G-d of Abraham for Divine Guidance.  One can load
> up a profile with particular interests and communicate with others of the
> same interests, real time in private chat rooms.  Now that is terrific,
> Baruch Hashem!!!  His Truth is marching on!
>
> Of course my profile is up already, and will be amended later.  My new
> website  that will be linked to this profile is not operating yet.  It has
> also experienced some birth pangs, but hopefully will be up this week at
> least in skeleton format.  Till it is up, my old website,
> http://www.uniteourheart.com will be the link to which initial Ten Tribers
> will be directed. Of course my website has links to other sites having to do
> with the Ten Tribes movement as well.
>
> I will announce the new site as soon as it is ready.  It will have some new
> ideas to field then.  Thank you for your prayers to that end.
>
> The Chaverim Network site may have some startup-glitches and is a bit
> difficult to get registered.  However it does work; without any
> announcement, it has 15 members already.  Just register anyway, and you will
> be sent  a log-in password that can be changed later. It may take 24 hours.
>  It will also have more search engines capability added to search for
> particular interests.  Thank you for your patience and please spread the
> news.
>
>
> Let us give thanks, for His "strong gathering arm" is active and we are
> immensely blessed to be gathered by Him now. This is a great day the L-RD,
> HaShem, the G-D of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has made!!
>
> Steve / Shemaia
>
> PS.: BTW, if you  look for me on the Chaverim Network, my Hebrew name is
> Shemaia Mathe, and will be found connected with Ephraim and Ten Tribes
> headings.
>
> "Only prayer, Torah and repentance will unify the tribes of Israel."
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Sep  8 01:34:34 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:34:34 -0500
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Cornie, this is absolutely wonderful news.  Yes, let us pray and give thanks
for HaShem working behind the scenes in your dear Jamie?s life
that he will
soon be set free.  May he be provided with a foster home that will provide
him with love and encouragement and support and access to the internet.  It
would be such a blessing for him to be able to correspond with you and also
with Cody
as they have much in common. Please keep us updated.

 

Love and prayers,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara

 


Cornie, 

This is indeed good news. 
Am very positive about Jamie being freed form his prison environment soon,
and have been of that mindset since you let us know about him.  He is on his
way out of it already.  Against all odds, he will be set free. 
We can give thanks and pray to that effect. 

Steve

At 01:03 PM 9/7/2008, you wrote:




Pat, there is nothing to forgive you, I burst into tears when I read your
part below, directed to me, it just hit some cord in my heart, I was so glad
to hear such encouraging words concerning Cody and my grandson Jamie. I will
follow up on this and especially concerning Jamie. But first, and this is to
all of you dear ones, Joe for one so special to my heart, from the other
side of this globe. Truly I am so awed, I do not find words to express what
is going on in my heart!!!!! 

Let's just get down to earth a bit, I hope this won't get too long. I am
still living in a community where it seems so quiet. It seems like life
could just go on as usual, it seems like it would be so easy to just take
life for granted. That is one side of my life.

BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE IMPOSSIBLE ANYMORE!!!!! Life can not go on as usual.
It is the month of Alul in 2008, ( I am a little mixed up what year it is on
the Jewish calendar year). I just finished watching the 9 hr. movie "Against
All Odds, Israel Survives" I just?  went over?  "Wake up Bnei?  Israel" for
the second time since it was sent by Joe, and now sent by Betty as a
reminder. What a mighty God we serve!!!! No word's can describe it. I feel I
should be doing something?  in return for what He is wooing me on. Will I be
able to do justice in Techuva to fill in that little consignment He has
given me? Or have I even been counted worthy of any consignment for the sake
of Bnei Israel, my family, or what ever? Maybe to Jamie. In my former
influence I am tempted to feel like a worm that can seemingly do so little,
(yet a worm can transform into a magnificent, Monarch Butterfly and migrate
to Mexico and land on the same hectar its great grandparents left to come to
the north that same spring) .

As I mentioned earlier,?  having watched "Against all Odds" in the miracles
of Israel in the past?  60 or so years, I realized that Hashem uses total
unbelieving Jewish people to perform some of these astounding miracles. And
of course that makes an impression on their heart as a result. I imagine
that is precisely what He is doing with me. He has formed me in my mothers
womb, I am the clay, He is the Potter. What He wants to do with this lump of
clay is up to Him. Fortunately not up to me. Although I can still choose to
do what is right, or whar is the wrong way.

Do miracles happen to us too? Absolutely! Some times I take it for granted
at the time it happens. And here is an example of what I mean. I have
shared?  some of what is going on with Jamie in the past, how he left home
at the age of 15,?  quite strong in rebellion against his dad and the local
Mennonite church. He got taken into a home which he took for granted was a
Jewish setting in that home because they kept the Sabbath, (they had left
the Worldwide Church of God, still very strong on the pagan virgin birth of
the man, or prophet Yeshua.) I was invited into that home one Sabbath in the
3 short weeks of his stay there, while he was still there and tried so hard?
to serve their interests as compelling real it came to him that they where
of the same faith he had been rebelling against, although a totally
different church. But now he finally could get into the Internet, (which was
banned from him, if he did not have a business that needed it it's use) And
they helped him to get his own e-mail address, and for a week or two, him
and me could start to have e-mails flowing back and forth. This was all
stopped short again when he rebelled against these people's control system,
and was not allowed to stay with them any longer, so he reluctantly went
back to the Mennonite home he had stayed with before. They took him in very
reluctantly as well, because of Jamie's rebellion against their church. I am
still not up to the miracle I wanted to share but it is coming, and may not
seem to be much of a miracle, but it was to me.

Jamie's dad Ruben, (our youngest son, with a serious Bi-polar problem, anger
etc.) set up some very stern rules for Jamie to abide by before he would be
excepted to come back home. One of them, no Internet in his computer. Jamie
has been controlled and boxed in all his life and finds it very difficult to
make his own decisions. But now Child and Family Services have already been
involved for a while since Ruben has had such bouts with anger and
depression, especially against Jamie, and because of his rough struggles in
this area, Ruben got expelled from the church, (he is out of the box to a
point too, but is still very religiously inclined in favor of the church)
But since he voluntarily turned himself in to a mental institute for 3
weeks, so they could find out how best they could help him. It was so
helpful for Ruben to a point that he excepted a challenge?  to?  run in a?
30 mile?  bicycle?  Marathon for a fund raiser?  for this institute. And
Jamie,?  already a month ahead of the event, agreed, to support his dad, he
would go with him in this Marathon. The day of the event was this last
Saturday (Shabbat) . I had a strong feeling that I should be there to
support my son. And since it had been going so rough between the two the
last while, I did not expect Jamie to be there. And for one reason being he
likely would not be fit to go on such a testing Marathon, because of his
health challenge with his kidney replaced etc..

Now here is the miracle as I see it. Ruben and his wife Millie had to have a
meeting with the Child and Family support group, the day before the
Marathon, concerning the out come with Jamie. If Jamie would be willing to
go on his parents rules, he could go home, if not, Child and Family Services
would find a foster home for him. Jamie's sister Stephenie was staying at
our place Friday for the night on the condition that I would take her along
in the morning, where her parents would meet us half way to the Marathon,
still a half hour drive from there. And low and behold Jamie was going to go
on the Marathon with his Dad after all, (and he told me later he had done it
for his dad) and he was along with them. Since they had 2 bikes along, so
they did not all have room on their van. And they allowed Jamie alone to
come with me!!!! Yuhoo!!!!And for the next limited half hour we had all to
ourself !!! We got to talk about serious matters that had happened in the
mean time. Which was the first time since I last talked with him about a
month ago we could share. They could have sent along one of his sisters too,
who both are church members already, and we could not have had this privacy.
But it did not happen. This was the miracle. Jamie told me he had chosen to
go to a foster home, but it had been a very hard decision for him to make.
And he told me freely he was literally scarred of what would become of it. I
told him he likely made a good choice, and it did not matter if he even
sometimes would fail to make right choices, but he would gradually learn to
make right choices.

I had the privilege to share with him that I had shared his struggle with
you people, and that he might be surprised how many people were praying for
him. He is grateful for that. Jamie did not share with me about his faith,
which seems to be badly shaken again. But he told me on his own without me
asking him, that he was not going to start with drugs. Again, he was quite
dejected though when he just could not make the run with his bike, and had
to be brought in with one of their truck's. Ruben had stayed behind just
waiting for his son again and again, but after Jamie had to give it up and
had take a truck?  ride to the barbecue. Ruben his dad made it, not nearly
the last on this 30 mile run. There were over 100 bikes in all part taking,
with a barbecue and music festival in the end. I was very glad to have gone
to be with my son and grandson and the whole family through this all. But I
felt awfully sorry for Jamie, as he felt so dejected for a while, and now
the uncertainty of his future, where he will end up having to stay. They
would not for anything allow him to come and stay with us his grandparents,
and I am afraid Mary's health would not allow it either. But I have a
feeling he is in the hands of his maker. And the end will turn out good. And
we will see that it was all for the good, Baruch Hashem. Sorry it got so
long. I am going to read Psalm 91 Thank you Pat, and all of you for your
prayers.

Cornie



Pat Robbins wrote: 



Please forgive me, Cornie.?  I have only just now seen this email from you.?
As I read it, I just kept hoping that somehow Jamie will get to talk to Cody
(maybe they will get to talk on the internet), because? I? feel Cody? could
be an encouragement? to him, and I know he would love to help if he can.?  I
will continue to pray for your dear grandson.?  I can tell you from
firsthand experience that HaSHem will work in Jamie's life in absolutely
miraculous ways if he'll just keep seeking after Him.? It continually?
amazes me to watch as He? works in my nephew's life.?  He? has only been in
Israel a couple of weeks now, and? HaSHem is already opening incredible?
doors .?  He was approached on the street? and asked if he would be willing
to? do a commercial for Israel's version of a CNN-type, all-news? network,
called Israel World News.?  He? told the girl who asked him that he would
love to do it, and has now already made a couple of spot commercials for
them, which he is very excited about doing? because he? wrote me that,?
"The plan is to reach 300 million to bring the truth to the world.?  The
idea is to call out the politicians on their scandals and bring a Zionist
point of view to fight anti-Semitic? propaganda around the world."? ?  
? 
This is HaSHem's doing.? Cody is a stranger in the Land and this
opportunity? literally came to him!?  He didn't even have to look for? it. ?
What I'm trying to say is that though I worried so much over the? years?
about his trying to make it on his own with his belief in the One? G-d of
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, HE WAS NEVER REALLY ALONE!!!!?  G-d was leading
him every step of the way, and He will lead Jamie too.?  Try not to be too
grieved over the difficulties you are seeing Jamie have to face.?  Just keep
praying, and we will keep praying too.?  Our G-d is awesome!!!
? 
I pray Psalm 91 over Cody, and I have him pray it over himself as well.? ?
And now I'm praying it over Jamie.
? 
CHAZAK, CHAZAK, DEAR FRIEND!!!!!?  May HaSHem strengthen us all.
? 
Love,
? 
Pat? ? ?  
? 
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From: Cornie Reimer <mailto:correim at gninc.ca>  
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:47 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Parshat Re'eh's Haftara

My dear brothers and sisters 
I woke up storm tossed and afflicted too, as it were. It is the time of
Alul, for real even for an old man like me, one of no apparent significance
at all, that is, if I were to hold on to what I have been made to believe
for most of my entire life. I normally should sleep another 3 or 4 hours in
order to be able to go to work at 7 in the morning. But since I found such a
storm brewing in my mind. I decided to put my ear phones on and listen to
the last part of a CD from Rabbi Lazer Brody called "Pleased yo meet you"! I
had heard it a couple of times but had always fallen asleep before I heard
it all. What I heard this time was brought to my attention that it is
advisable to ask Hashem for advice about everything we face in life, if we
desire His blessings on it. 

So instead of falling asleep again, the burden became heavier, so I was
prompted to read the weekly (not the daily one) writing from Rabbi Abrahan
Greenbaum. Which again prompted me to go to Joshua 8, referring to Joshua
leading , to Israel's totally destroying every soul of their enemy in Ai,
and burning the city. And it referred and led to all of Israel being
gathered on the 2 mountains to hear the blessings and the curses, according
to their choice, just before entering into the promised land. Now this was
no child's play. To receive the blessings, always upon their choices, they
would need to heed the advice of Hashem. 

I wonder if He hears my cry? In other words, am I heeding His advice when He
clearly speaks to me? Or am I crusted over with a hard shell of Mennonitism
yet, that Hashem can not get through to me? I lately shared about the case
with my grandson Jamie, there was such a response from the group praying for
Jamie. I felt comforted just to know that it did not rest on my prayers
alone. I have since talked twice to Jamie's used to be host Cohen, for those
3 weeks, and have not had the chance to talk with Jamie himself. But what I
have heard from Cohen, that German couple with whom Jamie was staying. And
really he didn't have hardly anything good to say about Jamie. When or what
I'm reading between the lines, is a little different than what he is saying
though. Now , let's keep in mind, these people are Sabbath keepers, and have
left a church of a couple of million members, but he does not want to reveal
the name of that church.?  It seems quite obvious though that could hardly
be any other than the World Wide Church of God, the adventists. Very nice
people, he is quite open too, but very easily seems to believe that demonic
power is involved. So when Jamie had some Lazer Brody material brought into
their house, they saw demons on the walls, so that stuff had to leave the
house. He also confirmed quite clearly that Jamie was demon influenced, yet
he did not turn against me for being the instigator of that Jewish material.
Before Jamie left from their house he had told Cohen, (that is his first
name) that he, Jamie was not Jewish minded anymore. I just find it a very
hard to hear this being said about Jamie. When it is quite obvious that
Jamie will have found himself short changed, thinking he was finally coming
into a Jewish relations by staying with these people. Only to find they were
Christians too. But I am so glad to have this consolation that some of you
prayer wariours are or have been praying for him. Please don't quit!

And Joe, when we talked you suggested that I should not try to lead Jamie,
but just walk beside him, and allow him to make his own choices, but to let
him know that I'll be there when he needs me. Beautiful advice. I realize it
is OK even if he makes some wrong choices. And that really is all I did with
Jamie, I allowed him to make choices. But seems like what took years to
build up any interest in the chosen people of God for one like Jamie, can?
in one stroke all be destroyed by these different, but well meaning
Christians. ?  

I do realize that for Jamie to find his way through this maze will take a
miracle. His heart seems to be a bit hardened by what he has been through.?


Cornie


?  ?  


YoungBarzel at aol.com wrote: 




Haftarah of Parshat Re'eh - 5760 

"Afflicted and Storm-Tossed One, and Not Comforted"? 
(Yeshayahu 54:11) 

The Haftarah of Re'eh is the third of the "Haftarot of Consolation," in the
series of seven such Haftarot.?  Both the Ashkenazic
<http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/a.htm#ashkenaz>  and Sefardic
<http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/s.htm#sefard>  communities take this
Haftarah from the Book of Yeshayahu, beginning with "Perek"/Chapter 54,
Verse 11, through (and including) Chapter 55, Verse 5. 

Introduction 

In the conversation that Avudraham constructs from these Haftarot, among
HaShem, His Prophets and the People of Israel, this is the one in which the
People of Israel complains that it is not comforted, because it is receiving
the consolation indirectly, from the Prophets, rather than from HaShem.?
Next week, the Master of the Universe gets into the act, when He says, "I,
even I (using the unusual form 'Anochi) am the One Who comforts you"
(Yeshayahu 51:12).?  But in truth, HaShem already has declared Himself to be
the "Menachem," the Comforter, in this Haftarah, where He says in the first
"Passuk" (54:11), 

"Behold, I ('Anochi') will set your stones in fair colors,"? 
and again in "Passuk" (54:16),? 

"Behold, it is I ("Anochi") Who created the blacksmith,? 
Who blows fire on the coals,? 
And brings forth a weapon for his work,? 
And I ("Anochi") created the destroyer to undo him." ?  

The Haftarah - Translation and Commentary ?  

Yeshayahu 54:11 

"O afflicted and storm-tossed one,
And not comforted,
Behold, I will set your stones in fair colors,
And lay your foundations with sapphires." ?  

All the commentators relate this promise of comfort to Yerushalayim.?
Targum Yonatan says, "
the walls about which the nations of the world said
that you would never be comforted, HaShem says, "I will lay its foundation
with diamonds." 

Yeshayahu 54:12 

"And I will make your pinnacles of rubies,
And your gates of iridescent diamonds;
And all your borders of precious stone." ?  

I will return to the City of Jerusalem, once a beautiful "wonder of the
world," its aspect of physical beauty.?  But that's not all. 

Yeshayahu 54:13 

"And all your children shall be taught by HaShem,
And great will be the peace of your children." 

The situation will be the opposite of that described by Yirmiyahu in the
Haftarah of Parshat Masei (Yirmiyahu 2:8), the Second of the "Haftarot of
Punishment," ?  

"The Priests did not ask, 'Where is HaShem?'
And the "scholars" of Torah did not know me
" 

RADAK points out that this idea is like that stated by Yirmiyahu, ?  

"No longer will one person have to teach another, because everybody will
know Me, from children to adults." 

And this "Passuk" is also the source of the following Talmudic statement
(Masechet <http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/m.htm#masechet>  Berachot 64a),
"Rabbi Elazar said in the name of Rabbi Chanina, 'Torah scholars increase
peace in the world,' as it is said, 'And all your children will be taught
by?  HaShem, and great will be the peace of your children;' do not read
'your children' (banayich), but 'your builders' (bonayich)." 

Yeshayahu 54:14 

"In righteousness shall you be established -
Stay far away from oppression,
Then you will have no reason to fear,
Or to feel terror,
For they will not approach you." ?  

You will once again be the City described in Yeshayahu 1:21 as "full of
Justice, in which Righteousness would lodge
" 

Yeshayahu 54:15-17 

"Behold, they may gather together,
But not be sent by Me,
Whoever conspires against you will fall." 

"Behold, I have created the blacksmith,
Who blows fire on the coals,
Who brings forth a weapon for his work,
But I have created the destroyer to undo him." ?  

"No weapon made to attack you will succeed,
And every tongue that speaks against you shall fail;
This is the heritage of the servants of the L-rd
And their just reward from Me,
Says HaShem." ?  

HaShem says, "I am the One Who brought against you enemies whose aim was to?
destroy you, such as Sancheriv and Nevuchadnezzar, because I used them to
punish?  you when you rebelled against Me.?  But now, your enemies have no
authorization from?  Me.?  They are Gog and Magog, who will fight against
you immediately prior to the?  Coming of the Mashiach, and be defeated by
you.?  And when they attack you in the?  Halls of "Diplomacy" (such as the
UN, Oslo or Wye (Why indeed?)), with false speech,?  where you will find
"Long has my soul dwelt with those who hate peace; I am for peace - but when
I speak, they are plotting for war" ("Tehillim"/Psalms 120:7), I will help
you defeat them there as well." 

The following chapter in Yeshayahu is dedicated to two great themes: Torah
and Teshuvah <http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/tw.htm#teshuvah> ,
Repentance.?  The first five P'sukim, that are part of our Haftarah, deal
with Torah, the precious gift from HaShem to us and, through us, to humanity
at large.?  The rest of the Perek deals with Teshuvah and, appropriately, is
read as the Haftarah on a "Taanit Tzibbur," a Public Fast Day, the purpose
of which is the arousal of feelings of Repentance. 

Yeshayahu 55:1 

"Ho, everyone who is thirsty, come for water;
And he that has no money,
Come, buy and eat,
Come buy wine and milk
Without money and without price." 

"Mayim," the "Drink of Life," means here and in many other locations, the
Torah.?  Here, Yeshayahu points to our priceless possession, the Torah. ?  

The Torah, for our People, is as vital as is water.?  We are destined to be
Teachers of Torah to the world, who ultimately will seek it and value it as
they do food and drink. 

Yeshayahu 55:2 ?  

"Why do you spend your money on that which is not bread?
And you expend effort to purchase? 
That which does not satisfy?
Listen carefully to Me and eat that which is good,
And let your soul delight in richness!" 

RADAK understands this Passuk as strongly advocating the study of Torah,
which is called "good" in the verse, "for I have given you a good teaching;
do not forsake My Torah!" ("Mishlei"/Proverbs 4:2) 

And further, that the part of the Passuk that speaks of delighting the soul
also speaks of the Torah, and is referring to the World-to-Come, for just as
something that is fat and rich delights the body, so is the Torah a delight
for the soul. 

Yeshayahu 55:3 

"Incline your ear, and come to Me,
Hear, and your soul shall live,
And I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
Like the everlasting kindnesses I have shown to David."?  

RADAK understands this Passuk as referring to the time of the Mashiach, when
the everlasting kindness that HaShem showed to David will be revealed in the
person of the Mashiach, who will be a descendant of the House of David. 

Metzudat David also understands the Passuk to mean "Obey Me, and you will
merit to be brought back to life at the time of the Mashiach." 

Yeshayahu 55:4 

"Behold I have given him as a witness to the nations,
A prince and a commander for the nations." ?  

RADAK again relates this Passuk to the Mashiach, whose greatness will compel
the nations of the world to accept him as their commander. 

Yeshayahu 55:5 

"Behold you shall call a nation that you did not know,
And a nation who did not know of you
Will now run to you;
Because HaShem your G-d,
The Holy One of Israel,
Has glorified you." 

Metzudat David explains that just as I have fulfilled My kindness with
David, will I fulfill My Promise of Kindness to you.?  And this will be
manifested in that nations from the ends of the earth will come and do your
bidding, because they sense in your behavior the special quality of
holiness, implanted in you by the Presence in your midst of the Holy One of
Israel. 

Rabbi Pinchas Frankel 

Rabbi Frankel is an Educational C oordinator at the OU 



It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal
<http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047> here. 



 
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Sep  8 01:37:30 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:37:30 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT: Chaverim Network is up!
In-Reply-To: <855590370809071854j3ad01932r7f2640539d26554b@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, Indeed, Steve.good news!!!... and  let me add my thanks as well for all
your efforts.all this networking is allowing those who love HaShem to speak
together in these last days.and to fulfill the prophecy in Malachi!

 

Love and Blessings,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Hanoch Young
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:54 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT: Chaverim Network is up!

 

Hey Steve,

 

   Glad to hear this news, thanks for sharing it!  Another step toward
actually getting to know each other...wow, what a concept, huh?  :-)  Thanks
for all of your efforts (and Rav Avraham, too!) in making this happen.

 

    Best regards,

           Hanoch




On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com>
wrote:

Friends,

It is with much jubilation that I am announcing the startup of the new
Chaverim Network. After some prolonged birth pangs, the worldwide network
for Torah seekers is up and running.  It is conducted  out of Jerusalem,
under the auspices of Rabbi Avraham Greenbaum, of http://www.azamra.org
<http://www.azamra.org/> .  He announced it this morning in his weekly
Sunday live chat room class from Jerusalem.  Its purpose is to enable Torah
seekers to network with each other. Some of the major groups who would be
interested are Jews,  Bnei Noach and "the growing Ephraim movement" as well
as any others who want to look to the Torah and the G-d of Abraham for
Divine Guidance.  One can load up a profile with particular interests and
communicate with others of the same interests, real time in private chat
rooms.  Now that is terrific, Baruch Hashem!!!  His Truth is marching on!

Of course my profile is up already, and will be amended later.  My new
website  that will be linked to this profile is not operating yet.  It has
also experienced some birth pangs, but hopefully will be up this week at
least in skeleton format.  Till it is up, my old website,
http://www.uniteourheart.com <http://www.uniteourheart.com/>  will be the
link to which initial Ten Tribers will be directed. Of course my website has
links to other sites having to do with the Ten Tribes movement as well.

I will announce the new site as soon as it is ready.  It will have some new
ideas to field then.  Thank you for your prayers to that end.

The Chaverim Network site may have some startup-glitches and is a bit
difficult to get registered.  However it does work; without any
announcement, it has 15 members already.  Just register anyway, and you will
be sent  a log-in password that can be changed later. It may take 24 hours.
It will also have more search engines capability added to search for
particular interests.  Thank you for your patience and please spread the
news.


Let us give thanks, for His "strong gathering arm" is active and we are
immensely blessed to be gathered by Him now. This is a great day the L-RD,
HaShem, the G-D of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has made!!

Steve / Shemaia

PS.: BTW, if you  look for me on the Chaverim Network, my Hebrew name is
Shemaia Mathe, and will be found connected with Ephraim and Ten Tribes
headings.

"Only prayer, Torah and repentance will unify the tribes of Israel." 
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Sep  8 01:42:28 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:42:28 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Update
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Dear Ross, thank you for reaching out and getting in touch with us...I know
phone service and internet has been down...not even sure you will receive
this...just know that we love you and are sending positive energy, love and
prayers into all your hearts and minds...so glad you are all safe!!!

I pray that Ike will not make a direct hit and will continue to include all
of you and those less fortunate in my prayers...

Much much love and lots of blessings!

Betty/Elisheva

-----Original Message-----
From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Ross Nichols
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 12:49 PM
To: United Israel; Dialogue List
Subject: [Dialogue] Update

I have talked to, or heard from everyone here. All are alive and well. Some
have power, some (the Saint Francisville crew) are still without power.
There will NOT be a class tonight.

I do not know what the media is saying about our situation, but it is the
worst in terms of damage that this area has seen in quite some time.

It now looks like Ike may be heading our way. Pray for those who are less
fortunate.

I hope to write more later. Shalom, Ross
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From rndavar at aol.com  Mon Sep  8 21:51:05 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (Ross Nichols)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 02:51:05 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Restoring Abrahamic Faith
Message-ID: <378971743-1220928614-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-538859394-@bxe130.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

It was in the early 90's when a friend gave me a copy of a 36 page booklet written by Dr. James D. Tabor. The booklet claimed to set forth in clear language, a case for a restoration of the ancient biblical faith. This little treatise changed my life and Everything I believed!  

This work led me deep into the world of Torah and the Prophets in search of the truth. It has served as the driving force for what has grown into Roots of Faith and the "synagogue without walls".

I just finished reading the thoroughly revised and improved version, now a full book. It is an incredible work. 

Even if you have one or more of the various versions of this work that have been released since its first appearance in 1993, I encourage you to go immediately to www.genesis2000.org and order your copies of this book!

Now a quality paperback, 6x9 format, 180 pages, the book is beautiful and the content will prove to open the eyes of the blind!

The book is very reasonably priced at 15 dollars. You can buy your copy on-line or send check or money order. More information is available at the web site mentioned above.

Shalom, Ross
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

From chattertonw at bellsouth.net  Tue Sep  9 19:05:54 2008
From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (chattertonw at bellsouth.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:05:54 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Update
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All,

Please take a moment to rejoice with us as we thank YHVH for electricity! After 8 long, hot, muggy, dark days, our power is on! All your prayers have been a comfort to us during this time. I pray that John and Ross will soon have their own testimony of joy to share!

Glenn & Rhonda 
-------------- Original message from "Ross Nichols" <rndavar at aol.com>: -------------- 

I have talked to, or heard from everyone here. All are alive and well. Some have power, some (the Saint Francisville crew) are still without power. There will 
> NOT be a class tonight. 
> I do not know what the media is saying about our situation, but it is the worst 
> in terms of damage that this area has seen in quite some time. 
> It now looks like Ike may be heading our way. Pray for those who are less 
> fortunate. 
> 
> I hope to write more later. Shalom, Ross 
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T 
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 20:17:24 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:17:24 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Update
In-Reply-To: <091020080005.6446.48C70F61000DEFBC0000192E22243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net>
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Hey Glenn -

    GREAT news!!  Really glad to hear it.  Hope everyone is able to share
the same ASAP!

          * Hanoch
*
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:05 PM, <chattertonw at bellsouth.net> wrote:

>  All,
>
> Please take a moment to rejoice with us as we thank YHVH for electricity!
> After 8 long, hot, muggy, dark days, our power is on! All your prayers have
> been a comfort to us during this time. I pray that John and Ross will soon
> have their own testimony of joy to share!
>
> Glenn & Rhonda
>
> -------------- Original message from "Ross Nichols" <rndavar at aol.com>:
> --------------
>
> I have talked to, or heard from everyone here. All are alive and well. Some
> have power, some (the Saint Francisville crew) are still without power.
> There will
> > NOT be a class tonight.
> > I do not know what the media is saying about our situation, but it is the
> worst
> > in terms of damage that this area has seen in quite some time.
> > It now looks like Ike may be heading our way. Pray for those who are less
>
> > fortunate.
> >
> > I hope to write more later. Shalom, Ross
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Tue Sep  9 21:23:15 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:23:15 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Update
In-Reply-To: <855590370809091817l9e8714bq41bb176e39bd3a7a@mail.gmail.com>
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	<855590370809091817l9e8714bq41bb176e39bd3a7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC7190AE1FA449B58328A910B574B2B4@bettylaptop>

Yes!  Amy (from Baton Rouge has her electricity back up now too.so happy to
hear the good news, Glenn.  Amy had to buy some special filters for her
house as Little Larry (who is now 18 years old) has Cystic Fibrosis and
cannot stop coughing when he is in the house.

 

How is Ezra?  Any news?

 

Thoughts, prayers and my love to all of you Louisianans!!!!

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Hanoch Young
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:17 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Update

 

Hey Glenn - 

 

    GREAT news!!  Really glad to hear it.  Hope everyone is able to share
the same ASAP!

 

           Hanoch

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:05 PM, <chattertonw at bellsouth.net> wrote:

All,

 

Please take a moment to rejoice with us as we thank YHVH for electricity!
After 8 long, hot, muggy, dark days, our power is on! All your prayers have
been a comfort to us during this time. I pray that John and Ross will soon
have their own testimony of joy to share!

 

Glenn & Rhonda 

-------------- Original message from "Ross Nichols" <rndavar at aol.com>:
-------------- 

I have talked to, or heard from everyone here. All are alive and well. Some
have power, some (the Saint Francisville crew) are still without power.
There will 
> NOT be a class tonight. 
> I do not know what the media is saying about our situation, but it is the
worst 
> in terms of damage that this area has seen in quite some time. 
> It now looks like Ike may be heading our way. Pray for those who are less 
> fortunate. 
> 
> I hope to write more later. Shalom, Ross 
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T 
> _______________________________________________ 


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From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net  Tue Sep  9 21:55:40 2008
From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 22:55:40 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Update
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Wonderful Glenn!

James


On Sep 9, 2008, at 8:05 PM, chattertonw at bellsouth.net wrote:

> All,
>
> Please take a moment to rejoice with us as we thank YHVH for  
> electricity! After 8 long, hot, muggy, dark days, our power is on!  
> All your prayers have been a comfort to us during this time. I pray  
> that John and Ross will soon have their own testimony of joy to share!
>
> Glenn & Rhonda
> -------------- Original message from "Ross Nichols"  
> <rndavar at aol.com>: --------------
>
> I have talked to, or heard from everyone here. All are alive and  
> well. Some have power, some (the Saint Francisville crew) are still  
> without power. There will
> > NOT be a class tonight.
> > I do not know what the media is saying about our situation, but it  
> is the worst
> > in terms of damage that this area has seen in quite some time.
> > It now looks like Ike may be heading our way. Pray for those who  
> are less
> > fortunate.
> >
> > I hope to write more later. Shalom, Ross
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________



From jid at westnet.com.au  Wed Sep 10 04:49:50 2008
From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO)
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Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Update]
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 06:10:15 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:10:15 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] And, "why you shouldn't be religious"
Message-ID: <855590370809100410v5ab6bbe6vb287be3d90345b43@mail.gmail.com>

Boker tov L'Kulchem,

     Below is an article I just read, which I found of interest.  Although
it speaks about Judaism, it really has to do with a *personal *relationship
with HaShem.
               *Hanoch*
**
 Why You Shouldn't Be Religious by Rabbi Aron Moss

Welcome to the grey area.

 *Question
*Is Judaism an all-or-nothing deal? I can't see myself ever becoming
religious, but I have started to incorporate Jewish spirituality into my
life. If I get more involved in Judaism, will I have to change my entire
lifestyle? Is there no grey area in between being totally religious and
being totally secular?

*Answer
*Welcome to the grey area. That's where the Jewish soul finds itself. We
don't identify ourselves as either "religious" or "secular". That division
is an artificial one, completely foreign to Judaism. In fact, Biblical
Hebrew does not have a word for "religious" and there was never such a
category in Jewish life.
We are either souls alive or souls asleep.

Rather than boxing people into religious or secular, the Jewish view
differentiates between two other categories: those who are growing in their
spiritual life and those who aren't. We are either souls alive or souls
asleep.

In matters of the soul, more important than how high you have reached is how
far you have moved. And you'd be surprised; someone who may look very holy
could actually be completely stagnant in this struggle and someone whom you
may have labeled as secular is in fact a spiritual hero.

One person may pray every day, while another prays only once a week. But the
first prayed every day, all his life, while the second guy never prayed
before at all. One has taken a step forward, while the other is just
treading water. Who is achieving more?

In truth, we don't know. To compare one person's spiritual level to someone
else's is impossible and pointless. But we do have to compare our own
spiritual level today to where we were yesterday. Whether we pray daily,
weekly or not at all, we each have to ask ourselves, Am I on the way up in
my soul development, on the way down, or just cruising?

Forget about becoming religious. Just become a soul alive. The Jewish
challenge for all of us is to live and grow in that shifting grey area,
where my today is higher than my yesterday, and tomorrow will be even
better.
8 Elul 5768 / 08 September 08
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 06:17:24 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:17:24 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] "If I forget thee East Jerusalem"
Message-ID: <855590370809100417r7567cf23p18a4902ae1e572ad@mail.gmail.com>

Published: 09/09/08, 12:06 AM
If I Forget Thee, East Jerusalem by Moshe Phillips

Words, and especially names, have meaning.

 *"My heart is in the east...." - Rabbi Yehuda Halevi (1075-1141)*

Reading the term "East Jerusalem" in two different publications by two
different authors on the same day caused
What is now called "East Jerusalem" is what the Bible means when it refers
to Jerusalem.
this writer pause. After all, "East Jerusalem" does not actually exist. At
least not yet. After all, what is now called "East Jerusalem" is what the
Bible means when it refers to Jerusalem.

Writing in *The Bulletin*, a daily newspaper in Philadelphia, David Bedein
surprisingly used the term "East Jerusalem" in an August 28, 2008, news
article on US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's negative remarks
regarding housing starts in Jewish neighborhoods ("Jewish settlements").

More alarming was Gershom Gorenberg's article in the August/September 2008
issue of *Hadassah Magazine*, in which he used the term "East Jerusalem"
five times. Once he even used the unabashed propaganda term "Arab East
Jerusalem". It is worth noting that Hadassah Hospital's Mount Scopus
facility and the adjoining Hebrew University are in what is claimed by the
Arabs as "East Jerusalem". Gorenberg is a monthly columnist for *Hadassah
Magazine* and he has no place in the house publication of the largest
Zionist membership organization in the world.

Words, and especially names, have meaning. Especially in the Middle East.
Now, Bedein <http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Author.aspx/40>probably
made a careless error. Gorenberg obviously chose to use the words
of Israel's enemies.

So, just what is "East Jerusalem" and why is adding the word "East" to
describe part of Judaism's holiest city and Israel's capital of any serious
magnitude?

East and West in Israel are not simple geographic terms as they are in the
US. Northeast Philadelphia, the Upper East Side in Manhattan and East LA are
used to denote neighborhoods and sections of a city. In Israel, where Judea
and Samaria have been labeled "the West Bank", things are different. The
term "West Bank" was created by Arab propagandists to de-emphasize the
area's inherent Jewishness and to disassociate the land from the State of
Israel. "East Jerusalem" was similarly invented.

What is "East Jerusalem"?

According to Wikipedia: "East Jerusalem refers to the part of Jerusalem
captured by Jordan in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and subsequently by Israel
in the 1967 Six-Day War. It includes Jerusalem's Old City and some of the
holiest sites of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, such as the Temple Mount,
Western Wall, Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Church of the Holy Sepulcher."

So, "East Jerusalem" is Jerusalem's Old City and its surrounding
neighborhoods. The original and oldest parts of Jerusalem are in this "East
Jerusalem".

There has never been in history an independent municipal entity known as
"East Jerusalem". (And, for the record, there has never been an independent
national entity known as Palestine.) When anti-Israel extremists created the
term "East Jerusalem", it was for one reason. They wanted to rip Israel's
capital apart in order to defeat Israel. This effort tragically gained full
force with the Oslo Accords. This was fully explained in the *B'tzedek
Online Journal* of December 30, 1996, in an editorial titled, "*The War Has
Just Begun"* <http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jan97/btzedek.htm>:

"The Oslo Accords are indeed the fulfillment of the PLO 'salami' strategy.
That is to say, Israel shall be destroyed not through overt military action
of Arab nations, but through the whittling away of Israeli resolve and slow
but determined territorial expansion of a Palestinian state. Slice by slice,
Israel will be carved away by the knife of terrorism and world opinion, both
deftly handled by the Israeli created Palestinian entity."

The very name Jerusalem means "city of peace", "city of completeness" and
"city of perfection". This was something that Bible-believing Americans of
all faiths in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries were taught. See
Hitchcock's *Bible Names Dictionary* (late 1800s) and Easton's *Bible
Dictionary** *(1897) for more on the fascinating derivation of Jerusalem. A
Jerusalem that is not complete is just not Jerusalem.

American policy on Jerusalem has veered horribly off course. The late
Senator Jesse Helms wrote in 1996 that "Israel is the only nation in the
world denied the right to choose its own capital. This second-class
citizenship among nations must end."

Recent news reports<http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127399>have
indicated that this process of dismembering Jerusalem is now being
encouraged and directed by Condoleezza Rice. "Aaron Klein, Jerusalem Bureau
Chief for *WorldNetDaily.com* <http://www.worldnetdaily.com/>, reveals that
multiple
A Jerusalem that is not complete is just not Jerusalem.
reports on Thursday in official Palestinian Authority media outlets insist
that... Rice pressed Israel in her visit here earlier this week to sign a
document that would divide Jerusalem by the end of the year." (Arutz Sheva,
Aug. 29, 2008; updated Sept. 2, 2008)

As the Jewish People begin the Hebrew month of Elul (this year it began on
September 1) and usher in the High Holiday season, the Jewish attachment to
Jerusalem is decidedly prominent. Every weekday during morning prayer
services the ram's horn is sounded and Psalm 27, with its many references to
Jerusalem's Holy Temple, is recited.

The main focus of the liturgy of Yom Kippur is the recitation of the
description the sacrificial offerings that were made on Yom Kippur when the
Holy Temple stood in Jerusalem. The most dramatic part of the Yom Kippur
prayer services occurs at the close of the day, just as the final service
comes to an end. The conclusion of this most sacred day on the Jewish
calendar is announced by a single, long clear note sounded on the shofar.
The congregation then responds: "Next year in Jerusalem!" After Yom Kippur,
the shofar will not be sounded in synagogues again until next Elul.

Until the shofar is sounded next year, all friends of Israel must work to
make certain that Jerusalem will remain Israel's undivided capital forever.
Hopefully, one day soon the dangerous fiction of "East Jerusalem" will be
something that only extremists give voice to.
9 Elul 5768 / 09 September 08
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 10 07:32:32 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:32:32 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Update
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Am so thankful to hear that you have electricity, Glenn and Rhonda.  Please keep us posted, and am continuing to pray for you all.

Love,

Pat


From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:05 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Update


All,

Please take a moment to rejoice with us as we thank YHVH for electricity! After 8 long, hot, muggy, dark days, our power is on! All your prayers have been a comfort to us during this time. I pray that John and Ross will soon have their own testimony of joy to share!

Glenn & Rhonda 
  -------------- Original message from "Ross Nichols" <rndavar at aol.com>: -------------- 

  I have talked to, or heard from everyone here. All are alive and well. Some have power, some (the Saint Francisville crew) are still without power. There will 
  > NOT be a class tonight. 
  > I do not know what the media is saying about our situation, but it is the worst 
  > in terms of damage that this area has seen in quite some time. 
  > It now looks like Ike may be heading our way. Pray for those who are less 
  > fortunate. 
  > 
  > I hope to write more later. Shalom, Ross 
  > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T 
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 12:21:36 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:21:36 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Translating the Bible...into Hebrew...
Message-ID: <855590370809101021l1baeedfeq2afcdfeb842b5dc5@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not quite sure how to react to this, but I thought you'd find it of
interest...

                            *  Hanoch*
**
          *Don't worry about the Bible, it can take care of itself*   By
Michael Handelzalts   Tags:
Hebrew<http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/tags/index.jhtml?tag=Hebrew>,
Education Ministry<http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/tags/index.jhtml?tag=Education+Ministry>

In Israel - which was established 60 years ago as the national home of the
Jewish people, which "gave the world the eternal Book of Books" (according
to the Declaration of Independence), and whose official languages, alongside
Arabic, include that same Hebrew in which the Book of Books is written - a
move is afoot to publish the Bible in contemporary Hebrew. In other words,
to translate the Bible into Hebrew. To rewrite it, in the same language,
using different words.

This is a private commercial endeavor launched by a veteran teacher of the
Bible, Avraham Ahuvia, and publisher Rafi Mozes of Reches Educational
Projects. The entire text is vocalized, and each verse appears in the
original form alongside the translated version.

The Education Ministry cried foul upon hearing of the idea and hastily
issued a directive banning use of the new translation in schools. The danger
has thus been averted: Even if they wanted to, Israeli teachers and
students, at least officially, may not sample this work.
  Advertisement In 1964, Robert Graves was asked by the British National
Theatre to translate Shakespeare's "Much Ado About Nothing" into English, to
make it easier for British audiences to understand a play that was written
in the English language of 400 years ago. He commented at the time: "A
remarkable thing about Shakespeare is that he is really very good, in spite
of all the people who say he is very good."

The new translation proves that the same also applies to the Bible. It
suffices to compare the original first verse of the Book of Genesis with its
translation. The difference between the original - "In the beginning, God
created the heavens and the earth" - and the translation - "At the start of
creation, when God created the world" - may as well be the difference
between the heavens and the earth. Like any great work of literature, the
Bible worded differently in the same language is a different book
altogether.

Those who conceived of the translation project are quick to point out that
their intentions were good. "The language of the Bible is a 'foreign
language' for Israeli students, and there is a need to interpose easier
language, so that teachers can have free time to delve deeper [into the
material]," said Rafi Mozes (who decided to etch his name on the project for
posterity and thus titled the book the Ram Bible, where "Ram" represents his
initials in Hebrew). Avraham Ahuvia, who translated the work, added: "I was
convinced [to put out the book] because we teachers translate the Bible
orally in lessons for the students, who have a difficult time understanding
the grand language."

It is worth noting that Western culture, which encompasses many languages,
evolved over 2,000 years. During that time, it has been enriched by
translations of the Bible from Hebrew to Aramaic (and vice versa), Greek,
Latin and English. Hebrew itself was developed over many generations by
sages who translated the Bible into their contemporary languages, and that
produced the language of the Talmud. And there is indeed a difference
between biblical Hebrew and contemporary Hebrew, even though it is the same
language. More importantly, there is a huge difference between Hebrew
speakers of 60 years ago and those who speak the language today, even though
it is the same language.

Back in 1919, my grandfather, Yisrael Eliyahu Handelzalts, a Hebrew teacher
and translator in Poland who knew a thing or two about translations of the
Bible and its similarity to spoken Hebrew, accurately diagnosed the problem.
He translated the Book of Esther from Aramaic to Hebrew, as well as the
Aramaic sections of the Book of Daniel.

In an article he penned for Hamadrich, a professional journal for teachers
published in Lodz, Poland, he wrote: "In the past ... knowledge of the
Hebrew language was gained by knowledge of the holy texts and the Talmud,
knowledge of grammar was gained by interpreting Rashi, the style of the
Mishna and its offshoots, the language of the rabbis ... Back then,
ignorance was impossible. A 'knower of Hebrew' and an ignoramus were two
opposites back then. Now, things have changed. Any average knower of Hebrew
does not need the Bible at all, and if he learned it, he did so
intermittently and in fits and starts. Now it is possible to know the Hebrew
language, and to nonetheless be a boor and an ignoramus..."

I cannot ask my grandfather for his reaction to the new translation. He was
killed by the Nazis in the Rusissian town of Novgrodok in 1941. From his
writing, however, it is clear that he is speaking of the same problem that
motivated the new translators to act. Turning the language of the Bible into
our everyday tongue entailed a price: Generations of people speak the
language of the Bible without being aware that they are doing so. When they
say a simple word like shamaim (sky), they do not know they are quoting the
Book of Genesis - much like Monsieur Jourdain in "Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme"
spoke in prose his entire life without knowing it was prose.

Motivated Bible teachers today need not make it easier for native Hebrew
speakers to understand the language of the Bible, the same language in which
they speak. They must not make the Bible easier for them, which essentially
means killing the Bible softly. Rather, they should demonstrate that a small
amount of thought and effort is all that is required to understand the Bible
as it was written.

I am not concerned about the Bible and its language, nor am I worried by
contemporary Hebrew. They have enough admirers (Meir Shalev, for example,
who authored "Bible Now" and whose latest work is a study of biblical text
titled "Reishit, Pa'amim Rishonot B'mikra"). Hebrew knows how to take care
of itself. The Bible is eternal, due to its own merits. The only thing they
have to fear is teachers with good intentions.
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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Wed Sep 10 19:00:51 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:00:51 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Yayyy!
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The power is back on.  I talked to Ross earlier and he is back up too!  I think that's everybody.  Praise HaShem.

John C.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 19:27:57 2008
From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:27:57 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Yayyy!
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Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0809101727m245144bdrfb0f5caaedfc8b9b@mail.gmail.com>

Glad to hear the news.  No fun living in the Dark Ages.

Kim

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:00 PM, <carlson_john at bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
> The power is back on.  I talked to Ross earlier and he is back up too!  I
> think that's everybody.  Praise HaShem.
>
> John C.
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 20:21:52 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:21:52 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Yayyy!
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GREAT John!!  I'm really glad you folks are back up...it must have been
horrible.  Glad it's over!

        * Hanoch

*
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:00 PM, <carlson_john at bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
> The power is back on.  I talked to Ross earlier and he is back up too!  I
> think that's everybody.  Praise HaShem.
>
> John C.
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From jid at westnet.com.au  Thu Sep 11 07:15:36 2008
From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:15:36 +1000
Subject: [Dialogue] MEMORIAL 9/11
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 11:56:58 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:56:58 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] MEMORIAL 9/11
In-Reply-To: <48C90BE8.3010600@westnet.com.au>
References: <48C90BE8.3010600@westnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <855590370809110956w205c3aacs81ea93715f8d731@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Joe,

   Thank you for your wonderful words of consolation..I was very touched.
It was such a shocking, surreal day...I just wish America would have truly
learned that this was just the beginning....

   My brother worked across the street from the Twin Towers at Goldman
Sachs; he saw people jumping from the windows, to avoid the
flames....choosing one death over another....

   My former father-in-law worked for U.S. Customs in World Trade Center 7,
they were told to 'stay put,' but when he saw the debris falling, he left.
The building collapsed later that day.

   Watching on TV as the heroic FDNY, NYPD and Paramedics went charging into
the burning buildings to save lives, and never came out.....

    Seeing the F-16 streak across the New York sky, seeking out the
anticipated 'next attack' that fortunately, didn't come...

    My apartment building is in the flight path of LaGuardia Airport, and I
remember how eerie it was when no planes where flying overhead, once air
traffic in the U.S. was halted.  And how the next flights, a day later were
only giant C-130 military aircraft.  Which, when combined with the aircraft
carrier that was stationed off of Long Island gave New York, a whole
different atmosphere...

    Terrible times, but just the beginning........
                * Hanoch
*
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:15 AM, JOE INDOMENICO <jid at westnet.com.au> wrote:

> *Shalom Chaverim,
> *
>
> *with just under an hour to go we mark the 7th anniversary of that
> infamous day in American history that changed the world,
> May we remember the almost 3000 souls that perished on that day.
> May we also pray that HaShem comfort the families and loved ones that lost
> their beloved.
> *
>
> *May HaShem have mercy on us all.
> *
>
> *For all those that lie in the path of Hurricane Ike, I pray that HaShem
> envelops you in His Hands of protection.
> Please take care.
> *
>
> *You are all in my prayers.
> *
>
> *Shalom v'Ahavah.
> JOE.
> *
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jid at westnet.com.au  Thu Sep 11 16:38:33 2008
From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:38:33 +1000
Subject: [Dialogue] Mystical Paths: Brief 9/11 Thoughts
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From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:03:12 +1000
Subject: [Dialogue] HURRICANE IKE.
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Thu Sep 11 23:19:03 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] HURRICANE IKE.
In-Reply-To: <48C995A0.2090603@westnet.com.au>
References: <48C995A0.2090603@westnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <2DCA305E9153458B9A02A9CD0FF82D8C@bettylaptop>

Thank you for the info, Joe, and for your prayers.  I just spoke to Kim and
she is on her way here to the Dallas Ft Worth area. It has taken her almost
3 hours to go only about 60 miles, as there is a lot of traffic. As Steve
has informed us, Brian and Joy Beth are leaving as well.  The recent reports
she heard said that the storm seems to be weakening now.  May HaShem be with
all who will be potentially affected.  I know the Louisiana people are still
working on cleaning up...

May HaShem keep us all under the Shadow of His Wings,

Elisheva/Betty

 

  _____  

From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:03 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] HURRICANE IKE.

 

Shalom Chaverim,

For those in the Texas region including Elisheva and Kim and all of you that
I am not acquainted with, my prayers are with you.
This could be another blow of the Shofar :
http://dreamingofmoshiach.blogspot.com/2008/09/hurricane-ikes-path.html

Houston is flat and it sits very close to sea level 35 miles inland from
Galveston Bay. It is crisscrossed with bayous which help to drain it after
the water begins to go down, but in a storm surge, the water backs up. The
Houston Ship Channel is as big as a river and makes Houston an inland port.
Any tidal surge will bring flood waters right up that channel and into the
refineries and chemical companies which line its banks. Because of the
direction of air circulation, it is the backside of a hurricane which gets
the tidal surge and the higher the wind, the higher the water goes. 

 <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080911/ap_on_re_us/ike> Houston-Galveston
could face major damage from Ike 

HOUSTON - Gleaming skyscrapers, the nation's biggest refinery and NASA's
Johnson Space Center lie in areas that could be vulnerable to wind and
damaging floodwaters if Hurricane Ike crashes ashore as a major hurricane. 

Forecasters expect the storm to make landfall this weekend somewhere between
Corpus Christi and Houston, creating the potential for heavy punishment for
Houston even if it's not hit directly. 


Some forecasts say Ike could strengthen to a fearsome Category 4 hurricane
with winds of at least 131 mph over the Gulf of Mexico, and emergency
officials warned it could drive a storm surge as high as 18 feet.


If current projections of the storm's path hold up, the area surrounding
Houston - home to about 4 million people - would be lashed by the eastern or
"dirty" side of the storm, said meteorologist Jeff Masters, co-founder of
San Francisco-based Weather Underground. This stronger side of the storm
often packs heavy rains, walloping storm surge and tornadoes.

 

"I expect a lot of damage in Houston from this storm," said Masters, adding
that Ike could cause a "huge storm surge" affecting at least 100 miles of
the Texas coast.

 

...The surge in Galveston Bay could push floodwaters into Houston, damaging
areas that include the nation's biggest refinery and NASA's Johnson Space
Center.

 

...The oil and gas industry also watched the storm closely, fearing damage
to the very heart of its operations.

 

Texas is home to 26 refineries that account for one-fourth of U.S. refining
capacity, and most are clustered along the Gulf Coast in such places as
Houston, Port Arthur and Corpus Christi. Exxon Mobil Corp.'s plant in
Baytown, outside Houston, is the nation's largest refinery. Dow Chemical has
a huge operation just north of Corpus Christi.

 

Refineries are built to withstand high winds, but flooding can disrupt
operations and - as happened in Louisiana after Hurricane Gustav - power
outages can shut down equipment for days or weeks. An extended shutdown
could lead to higher gasoline prices.

 

Trivia Question: What well-known Jewish figure (currently living) was born
in Galveston, Texas? 

Answer: Jonathan Pollard

May HaShem's protection be with you.
Shalom v'Ahavah
JOE.

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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Thu Sep 11 23:56:06 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:56:06 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] HURRICANE IKE.
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Has anyone heard from Joe and Debbie?

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 


-------------- Original message from "Betty Givin" <bkgivin at charter.net>: -------------- 


Thank you for the info, Joe, and for your prayers.  I just spoke to Kim and she is on her way here to the Dallas Ft Worth area. It has taken her almost 3 hours to go only about 60 miles, as there is a lot of traffic. As Steve has informed us, Brian and Joy Beth are leaving as well.  The recent reports she heard said that the storm seems to be weakening now.  May HaShem be with all who will be potentially affected.  I know the Louisiana people are still working on cleaning up...
May HaShem keep us all under the Shadow of His Wings,
Elisheva/Betty
 



From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:03 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] HURRICANE IKE.
 
Shalom Chaverim,

For those in the Texas region including Elisheva and Kim and all of you that I am not acquainted with, my prayers are with you.
This could be another blow of the Shofar : http://dreamingofmoshiach.blogspot.com/2008/09/hurricane-ikes-path.html

Houston is flat and it sits very close to sea level 35 miles inland from Galveston Bay. It is crisscrossed with bayous which help to drain it after the water begins to go down, but in a storm surge, the water backs up. The Houston Ship Channel is as big as a river and makes Houston an inland port. Any tidal surge will bring flood waters right up that channel and into the refineries and chemical companies which line its banks. Because of the direction of air circulation, it is the backside of a hurricane which gets the tidal surge and the higher the wind, the higher the water goes. 
Houston-Galveston could face major damage from Ike 
HOUSTON - Gleaming skyscrapers, the nation's biggest refinery and NASA's Johnson Space Center lie in areas that could be vulnerable to wind and damaging floodwaters if Hurricane Ike crashes ashore as a major hurricane. 
Forecasters expect the storm to make landfall this weekend somewhere between Corpus Christi and Houston, creating the potential for heavy punishment for Houston even if it's not hit directly. 

Some forecasts say Ike could strengthen to a fearsome Category 4 hurricane with winds of at least 131 mph over the Gulf of Mexico, and emergency officials warned it could drive a storm surge as high as 18 feet.

If current projections of the storm's path hold up, the area surrounding Houston ? home to about 4 million people ? would be lashed by the eastern or "dirty" side of the storm, said meteorologist Jeff Masters, co-founder of San Francisco-based Weather Underground. This stronger side of the storm often packs heavy rains, walloping storm surge and tornadoes.
 
"I expect a lot of damage in Houston from this storm," said Masters, adding that Ike could cause a "huge storm surge" affecting at least 100 miles of the Texas coast.
 
...The surge in Galveston Bay could push floodwaters into Houston, damaging areas that include the nation's biggest refinery and NASA's Johnson Space Center.
 
...The oil and gas industry also watched the storm closely, fearing damage to the very heart of its operations.
 
Texas is home to 26 refineries that account for one-fourth of U.S. refining capacity, and most are clustered along the Gulf Coast in such places as Houston, Port Arthur and Corpus Christi. Exxon Mobil Corp.'s plant in Baytown, outside Houston, is the nation's largest refinery. Dow Chemical has a huge operation just north of Corpus Christi.
 
Refineries are built to withstand high winds, but flooding can disrupt operations and ? as happened in Louisiana after Hurricane Gustav ? power outages can shut down equipment for days or weeks. An extended shutdown could lead to higher gasoline prices.
 
Trivia Question: What well-known Jewish figure (currently living) was born in Galveston, Texas? 
Answer: Jonathan Pollard

May HaShem's protection be with you.
Shalom v'Ahavah
JOE.
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Fri Sep 12 00:52:55 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:52:55 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] HURRICANE IKE.
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Nederland where they live was supposed to have been evacuated.  Kim's
daughter, husband and new baby left early this morning with the rest of her
husband's family for Mississippi.that is the closest place they could find a
hotel  Let us know if any of you hear anything.   Thanks

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of
carlson_john at bellsouth.net
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:56 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: RE: [Dialogue] HURRICANE IKE.

 

Has anyone heard from Joe and Debbie?

 

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 

 

-------------- Original message from "Betty Givin" <bkgivin at charter.net>:
-------------- 

Thank you for the info, Joe, and for your prayers.  I just spoke to Kim and
she is on her way here to the Dallas Ft Worth area. It has taken her almost
3 hours to go only about 60 miles, as there is a lot of traffic. As Steve
has informed us, Brian and Joy Beth are leaving as well.  The recent reports
she heard said that the storm seems to be weakening now.  May HaShem be with
all who will be potentially affected.  I know the Louisiana people are still
working on cleaning up...

May HaShem keep us all under the Shadow of His Wings,

Elisheva/Betty

 


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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:03 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] HURRICANE IKE.

 

Shalom Chaverim,

For those in the Texas region including Elisheva and Kim and all of you that
I am not acquainted with, my prayers are with you.
This could be another blow of the Shofar :
http://dreamingofmoshiach.blogspot.com/2008/09/hurricane-ikes-path.html

Houston is flat and it sits very close to sea level 35 miles inland from
Galveston Bay. It is crisscrossed with bayous which help to drain it after
the water begins to go down, but in a storm surge, the water backs up. The
Houston Ship Channel is as big as a river and makes Houston an inland port.
Any tidal surge will bring flood waters right up that channel and into the
refineries and chemical companies which line its banks. Because of the
direction of air circulation, it is the backside of a hurricane which gets
the tidal surge and the higher the wind, the higher the water goes. 

 <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080911/ap_on_re_us/ike> Houston-Galveston
could face major damage from Ike 

HOUSTON - Gleaming skyscrapers, the nation's biggest refinery and NASA's
Johnson Space Center lie in areas that could be vulnerable to wind and
damaging floodwaters if Hurricane Ike crashes ashore as a major hurricane. 

Forecasters expect the storm to make landfall this weekend somewhere between
Corpus Christi and Houston, creating the potential for heavy punishment for
Houston even if it's not hit directly. 


Some forecasts say Ike could strengthen to a fearsome Category 4 hurricane
with winds of at least 131 mph over the Gulf of Mexico, and emergency
officials warned it could drive a storm surge as high as 18 feet.


If current projections of the storm's path hold up, the area surrounding
Houston - home to about 4 million people - would be lashed by the eastern or
"dirty" side of the storm, said meteorologist Jeff Masters, co-founder of
San Francisco-based Weather Underground. This stronger side of the storm
often packs heavy rains, walloping storm surge and tornadoes.

 

"I expect a lot of damage in Houston from this storm," said Masters, adding
that Ike could cause a "huge storm surge" affecting at least 100 miles of
the Texas coast.

 

...The surge in Galveston Bay could push floodwaters into Houston, damaging
areas that include the nation's biggest refinery and NASA's Johnson Space
Center.

 

...The oil and gas industry also watched the storm closely, fearing damage
to the very heart of its operations.

 

Texas is home to 26 refineries that account for one-fourth of U.S. refining
capacity, and most are clustered along the Gulf Coast in such places as
Houston, Port Arthur and Corpus Christi. Exxon Mobil Corp.'s plant in
Baytown, outside Houston, is the nation's largest refinery. Dow Chemical has
a huge operation just north of Corpus Christi.

 

Refineries are built to withstand high winds, but flooding can disrupt
operations and - as happened in Louisiana after Hurricane Gustav - power
outages can shut down equipment for days or weeks. An extended shutdown
could lead to higher gasoline prices.

 

Trivia Question: What well-known Jewish figure (currently living) was born
in Galveston, Texas? 

Answer: Jonathan Pollard

May HaShem's protection be with you.
Shalom v'Ahavah
JOE.

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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 07:28:12 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:28:12 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Jerusalem, if I forget you
Message-ID: <855590370809120528l63f23ae3k4ee23b64afb3c850@mail.gmail.com>

This is from Rav Lazer Brody, who I find gives me tremendous inspiration and
strengthens my Emuna (faith).  Please pass this on to everyone you know who
cares about Jerusalem.  Shabbat Shalom,
                *  Hanoch*
**
 Jerusalem, if i forget
you...<http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/lazer_beams/2008/09/jerusalem-if-i-forget-you.html>

The US Consul General Jake Walles
asserts<http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3595554,00.html>that
Israel has already agreed in negotiations to cede control over east
Jerusalem. Prime Minister Olmert
says<http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3595613,00.html>,
"We have not yet begun to negotiate on Jerusalem."  Somebody's not telling
the truth.

So what are we going to do about it? I'm going to cry my eyes out to Hashem,
and between reciting Psalm 137 over and over again, beg Him in personal
prayer not to divide Jerusalem. See the following clip of Psalm 137 put to
music with scenes of Jerusalem in the background, and you'll undoubtedly
join me.
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 07:49:13 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:49:13 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Russia's building the world's largest Jewish Museum?
Message-ID: <855590370809120549h37a31144xd9bb2549b39e6c3e@mail.gmail.com>

Silly me, I thought that Russia *was ALREADY *the largest Jewish Museum, *and
*largest Jewish tomb, too! Perhapes they'll have a special exhibit showing
how Russian aid to Iran's nuclear reactor and missle defenses helped kill
even MORE Jews (G-d forbifd)....
                         * Hanoch *(whose Granfather was in the Czar's army)


Russia to Build World's Largest Jewish Museum 10 Elul 5768, 10 September 08
09:33
by by Ze'ev Ben-Yechiel
This week it was announced that plans for the Russian-Jewish Museum of
Tolerance, to be the world's largest Jewish museum, were approved in Moscow.
In a largely symbolic gesture of support, Vladimir Putin, as president in
2007, promised to donate one month's worth of his salary as Russian
president to the building of the museum. Putin made his pledge as a response
to a request from Russia's chief Rabbi Berl Lazar for the President to
expedite the Jewish community's long-delayed plans for such a museum.

The new museum would be the centerpiece of Moscow's existing Jewish
community center, which was financed and built by the Moscow municipality
about five years ago. A historic building in the community center would
house the new Museum of Tolerance and would sit alongside institutions
already open, including the center's soup kitchen, a community health
center, and a Chabad school. Construction of a yeshiva and a Jewish
university are also nearing completion.

A committee for the new museum announced approval for the building plans,
according to Baruch Gorin, the Moscow Jewish community's spokesman, who
added that the museum will celebrate the history of Jews in Russia, with
exhibits of Jewish art and artifacts from Jewish religious life, as well as
a section dedicated to the Holocaust and the Russian-speaking Jews who
perished during the Nazi invasion of western Russia.

A center for Jewish studies will serve as an adjunct to the museum, complete
with a major Jewish library and conference rooms for Jewish community
events, according a report in Haaretz. In the report, Gorin said that
construction is slated to begin early next year and the building will be
unveiled in 2011. Among the sponsors of the project are the Russian Cultural
Foundation, the Moscow Jewish community, and a group of private Jewish
donors led by billionaire Lev Leviev.

The original building, built in 1927, and covers 9,000 square meters (about
100,000 square feet), and when additional floors will be added underground,
the entire museum will total 15,000 square meters of floor space (163,000
square feet), making it the world's largest Jewish museum.

A spokesman for the Russian Federation of Jewish Communities said that the
historic building was donated by the Moscow municipality with the blessing
of Mayor Yuri Luzhkov, who understood the importance of teaching the Russian
public about the Holocaust and Jewish history. Spokesman Tal Rabina said
that the mayor hopes the study of Jewish culture at such a museum will help
put an end to the legacy of anti-Semitism in Russia.

Rabbi Lazar had told Putin that Russia needed such a museum to serve as a
warning against a return to a dark Russian past.

Russia has one of the world's worst histories of anti-Semitism. Prior to the
1917 revolution, countless pogroms, often instigated by the Tsar's militia,
led to the deaths of tens of thousands of Jews. In 1903 the notorious
Protocols of the Elders of Zion was published with the consent of the Tsar
and brought classical anti-Semitic libels into the modern age. Throughout
the period of Soviet dictatorship, Jews were unofficially singled out in a
nationwide campaign of discrimination, persecution, imprisonment and exile.
In modern Russia, anti-Semitic attacks occur at one of the highest rates in
the world.

"There are people today who want to re-write history," Rabbi Lazar had said
to Putin. "The museum will help to show what it was in reality."
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 07:42:05 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:42:05 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Allied Planes that didn't bomb Auschwitz...
Message-ID: <855590370809120542m14bf43e8k896d33c58921d262@mail.gmail.com>

WWII Allied Planes Reached Auschwitz, But Didn't Bomb the Camp 11 Elul 5768,
11 September 08 11:31
by by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz

(IsraelNN.com) New testimony has come forth suggesting that, contrary to the
view promoted by apologists for U.S. inaction against the Nazi death camps
during the Holocaust, American bombers struck targets close enough to the
Auschwitz concentration camp to shatter windows.

Dr. Rafael Medoff, director of the David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust
Studies in Washington D.C., reported this week that statements by Lidia Vago
of Tel Aviv shed additional light on a U.S. air raid on German factories
adjacent to Auschwitz sixty-four years ago this weekend. Vago is the widow
of prominent historian Bela Vago, who passed away in 2007.

"Mrs. Vago's testimony adds a new layer to the ongoing debate over the
Allies' failure to bomb the Nazi death camps or the railway lines leading to
them," Dr. Medoff explained. "Defenders of U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt
have maintained that Auschwitz was too far away for American planes to
reach, and too heavily protected by the Germans to attack from the air. But
the testimony of Mrs. Vago and other survivors suggests otherwise."

"I heard the American planes flying overhead and saw the windows in the
factory shatter - those planes were so close to the gas chambers, but they
never bombed them," Vago said. During a particularly lengthy and damaging
raid, on September 13, 1944, "the windows and the glass part of the ceiling
shattered from the force of the explosions nearby. Of course we were scared,
but we were also very, very happy. Even though we knew that we or other
prisoners might be killed by the bombings, we knew that we were all going to
be killed by the Germans anyway, so we hoped and prayed that the Allies
would bomb the gas chambers and the crematoria. That would have stopped the
mass murders."

Vago, a native of Romania, was deported with her family to Auschwitz in
1944. She was 19 years old when she became part of a slave labor unit that
worked in a German hand grenade factory next to Auschwitz. Beginning in late
August 1944, American planes bombed Nazi industrial sites in the region.

"Each time the Americans bombed the area, the air-raid sirens would sound,"
Vago recalled in an interview. "The SS men all ran to shelters, but of
course the Jews were left unprotected." She added that "some Polish Jewish
girls" told her "that in the bombing of September 13, part of the railway
line leading into the camp was damaged, and also that an SS barracks was hit
and some of the SS men were killed." %ad%

According to Medoff, those bombs had been dropped accidentally by U.S.
planes targeting the oil factories nearby. However, he notes, the American
airmen "were never told by their commanders that they were flying over a
mass-murder camp."

Senator George S. McGovern, who was a pilot in the U.S. Air Force during
World War II, said in a recent interview with filmmaker Stuart Erdheim of
the Wyman Institute that if his commanders had asked for volunteers to bomb
the death camp, "whole crews would have volunteered." According to McGovern,
the pilots and crewmen would have recognized the importance of trying to
save the lives of Hitler's Jewish captives, even if it meant risking their
own lives on a hazardous bombing raid.
 www.IsraelNationalNews.com <http://www.israelnationalnews.com/>
(c) Copyright IsraelNationalNews.com
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 07:34:17 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:34:17 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Fwd: Check out YouTube - yerushalayim shel zahav -
	jerusalem of gold
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <YoungBarzel at aol.com>
Date: Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:30 AM
Subject: Check out YouTube - yerushalayim shel zahav - jerusalem of gold
To: YoungBarzel at gmail.com


 Click here: YouTube - yerushalayim shel zahav - jerusalem of
gold<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5SePLTBSU0&feature=related>



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From rndavar at aol.com  Fri Sep 12 11:32:04 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (rndavar at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:32:04 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: [UILIST] Brian & Beth, etc.
In-Reply-To: <5AF16148-FB13-486A-A681-52ADA23481BB@earthlink.net>
References: <5AF16148-FB13-486A-A681-52ADA23481BB@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CAE30C38B75756-ED8-B45@FWM-M39.sysops.aol.com>

James and all - Shalom!

I spoke with Brian last night as well. He sent me a note saying that they would be leaving their home around midnight or so.? Brian had to pull some hard drives from computers and other "technical things" that he had to do in preparation for a worst case scenario.

As far as the servers that host our lists and various web sites, it seems that Brian has things set up so that we should not be affected.? He told me last night that he has made every attempt to prepare for such a time as this.? The servers are not even in the state of Texas as I understand it and so none of his many hosted sites should see downtime as a result of the storm.

He and Beth will probably be staying at Brian's sister's house tonight.

Please keep Brian and Beth and all of our dear friends in Texas in your prayers.? My own mother and grandmother, my dad and his wife, as well as Joe Good's ministry are in the strike zone.

Here is the note I received from Brian this morning.? Ross

Ross,?
Pass on the word, we are heading out about midnight or so.?
Hope we have something to come back to !?
?
We should have our cell phones as long as the batteries hold out and the towers work.?
?
We will be at my mom's or my sister's.?
?
Probably at my sister's during the actual storm Friday night.?
?



-----Original Message-----
From: James Tabor <jamesdtabor at earthlink.net>
To: UI List <uilist at unitedisrael.org>
Sent: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 9:34 am
Subject: [UILIST] Brian & Beth, etc.


Like many of you I am watching the various TV reports on hurricane Ike. I talked to Brian and Beth yesterday and then again just this morning. They have left their house, putting things upstairs, emptying the refrigerator and then leaving it all behind. They are headed for the Sugarland/Stafford area, SW of the city. Beth said that the evacuation areas were limited to the south/Galveston, but that Houston city folk are being asked to not leave so the roads will not be impossible. Right now it does look like there will be significant flooding in the south, and it could well reach their house, which is near the NASA area (Nassau Bay/Clear Lake), so it is not looking good in terms of their property--all depending on the the size of the surges. The wind itself, outside the surge areas, could take out power just about anywhere, so it looks like millions will be facing what their brothers and sisters to the east have been dealing with now the past two weeks. I think I am correct in anticipating that without power our various Lists and Web sites that Brian hosts would be down, so we will have to be in touch via e-mail directly if that happens.?
?
I am not sure it will be a Sabbath of Shalom, but wishing it anyway, on some level,?
?
James?
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 12 12:39:30 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:39:30 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] FACTION ALERT :: Contact the Israeli Embassy in
	Washington!
Message-ID: <BLU125-DS66B89F90F0B2146B42EBBBA510@phx.gbl>



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      Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu reacted to the news by calling the government morally bankrupt. He called for new elections, in the hope of electing a government that represents the true interests of the Jewish State and the Jewish people.

      The Bush Administration is further pushing Olmert's back-room plan to emasculate Israel and Jerusalem. Condoleeza Rice is currently pressuring the politically lame governments of Olmert and Abbas, to conclude a deal.

      YOU CAN HELP! Please contact the Israeli Embassy in Washington right now and speak up for Jerusalem.

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Fri Sep 12 12:57:23 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:57:23 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: [UILIST] Brian & Beth, etc.
In-Reply-To: <8CAE30C38B75756-ED8-B45@FWM-M39.sysops.aol.com>
References: <5AF16148-FB13-486A-A681-52ADA23481BB@earthlink.net>
	<8CAE30C38B75756-ED8-B45@FWM-M39.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8698B043B9034646988B24C9957F9FA1@bettylaptop>

Thanks for the update on everyone.love to all.Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of rndavar at aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:32 AM
To: uilist at unitedisrael.org; dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: [UILIST] Brian & Beth, etc.

 

James and all - Shalom!

I spoke with Brian last night as well. He sent me a note saying that they
would be leaving their home around midnight or so.  Brian had to pull some
hard drives from computers and other "technical things" that he had to do in
preparation for a worst case scenario.

As far as the servers that host our lists and various web sites, it seems
that Brian has things set up so that we should not be affected.  He told me
last night that he has made every attempt to prepare for such a time as
this.  The servers are not even in the state of Texas as I understand it and
so none of his many hosted sites should see downtime as a result of the
storm.

He and Beth will probably be staying at Brian's sister's house tonight.

Please keep Brian and Beth and all of our dear friends in Texas in your
prayers.  My own mother and grandmother, my dad and his wife, as well as Joe
Good's ministry are in the strike zone.

Here is the note I received from Brian this morning.  Ross

Ross, 
Pass on the word, we are heading out about midnight or so. 
Hope we have something to come back to ! 
 
We should have our cell phones as long as the batteries hold out and the
towers work. 
 
We will be at my mom's or my sister's. 
 
Probably at my sister's during the actual storm Friday night. 
 



-----Original Message-----
From: James Tabor <jamesdtabor at earthlink.net>
To: UI List <uilist at unitedisrael.org>
Sent: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 9:34 am
Subject: [UILIST] Brian & Beth, etc.

Like many of you I am watching the various TV reports on hurricane Ike. I
talked to Brian and Beth yesterday and then again just this morning. They
have left their house, putting things upstairs, emptying the refrigerator
and then leaving it all behind. They are headed for the Sugarland/Stafford
area, SW of the city. Beth said that the evacuation areas were limited to
the south/Galveston, but that Houston city folk are being asked to not leave
so the roads will not be impossible. Right now it does look like there will
be significant flooding in the south, and it could well reach their house,
which is near the NASA area (Nassau Bay/Clear Lake), so it is not looking
good in terms of their property--all depending on the the size of the
surges. The wind itself, outside the surge areas, could take out power just
about anywhere, so it looks like millions will be facing what their brothers
and sisters to the east have been dealing with now the past two weeks. I
think I am correct in anticipating that without power our various Lists and
Web sites that Brian hosts would be down, so we will have to be in touch via
e-mail directly if that happens. 
 
I am not sure it will be a Sabbath of Shalom, but wishing it anyway, on some
level, 
 
James 
_______________________________________________ 
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UILIST at unitedisrael.org 
 
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this list**** without permission from the person who wrote it. 
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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 12 15:09:30 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:09:30 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Re: [UILIST] Brian & Beth, etc.
In-Reply-To: <8698B043B9034646988B24C9957F9FA1@bettylaptop>
References: <5AF16148-FB13-486A-A681-52ADA23481BB@earthlink.net><8CAE30C38B75756-ED8-B45@FWM-M39.sysops.aol.com><8698B043B9034646988B24C9957F9FA1@bettylaptop>
Message-ID: <1436138458-1221250301-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-687298-@bxe124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I spoke with Joe and Debbie a little while ago.  They evacuated to Dallas with the family.  All are okay.  Just waiting it out.

John C.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Betty Givin" <bkgivin at charter.net>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:57:23 
To: <dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Re: [UILIST] Brian & Beth, etc.


_______________________________________________



From long777 at att.net  Fri Sep 12 15:37:59 2008
From: long777 at att.net (Jeremy)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:37:59 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] HURRICANE IKE.
In-Reply-To: <48C995A0.2090603@westnet.com.au>
References: <48C995A0.2090603@westnet.com.au>
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We are in Pearland Texas and have prepared to ride this out. Prayers are
appreciated. I will be blowing my Shofar tonight as Ike comes ashore.
 
Thank You
 
Jeremy
                                         
 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:03 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] HURRICANE IKE.


Shalom Chaverim,

For those in the Texas region including Elisheva and Kim and all of you that
I am not acquainted with, my prayers are with you.
This could be another blow of the Shofar :
http://dreamingofmoshiach.blogspot.com/2008/09/hurricane-ikes-path.html

Houston is flat and it sits very close to sea level 35 miles inland from
Galveston Bay. It is crisscrossed with bayous which help to drain it after
the water begins to go down, but in a storm surge, the water backs up. The
Houston Ship Channel is as big as a river and makes Houston an inland port.
Any tidal surge will bring flood waters right up that channel and into the
refineries and chemical companies which line its banks. Because of the
direction of air circulation, it is the backside of a hurricane which gets
the tidal surge and the higher the wind, the higher the water goes. 

 <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080911/ap_on_re_us/ike> Houston-Galveston
could face major damage from Ike 


HOUSTON - Gleaming skyscrapers, the nation's biggest refinery and NASA's
Johnson Space Center lie in areas that could be vulnerable to wind and
damaging floodwaters if Hurricane Ike crashes ashore as a major hurricane. 

Forecasters expect the storm to make landfall this weekend somewhere between
Corpus Christi and Houston, creating the potential for heavy punishment for
Houston even if it's not hit directly. 

Some forecasts say Ike could strengthen to a fearsome Category 4 hurricane
with winds of at least 131 mph over the Gulf of Mexico, and emergency
officials warned it could drive a storm surge as high as 18 feet.

If current projections of the storm's path hold up, the area surrounding
Houston - home to about 4 million people - would be lashed by the eastern or
"dirty" side of the storm, said meteorologist Jeff Masters, co-founder of
San Francisco-based Weather Underground. This stronger side of the storm
often packs heavy rains, walloping storm surge and tornadoes.

"I expect a lot of damage in Houston from this storm," said Masters, adding
that Ike could cause a "huge storm surge" affecting at least 100 miles of
the Texas coast.

...The surge in Galveston Bay could push floodwaters into Houston, damaging
areas that include the nation's biggest refinery and NASA's Johnson Space
Center.

...The oil and gas industry also watched the storm closely, fearing damage
to the very heart of its operations.

Texas is home to 26 refineries that account for one-fourth of U.S. refining
capacity, and most are clustered along the Gulf Coast in such places as
Houston, Port Arthur and Corpus Christi. Exxon Mobil Corp.'s plant in
Baytown, outside Houston, is the nation's largest refinery. Dow Chemical has
a huge operation just north of Corpus Christi.

Refineries are built to withstand high winds, but flooding can disrupt
operations and - as happened in Louisiana after Hurricane Gustav - power
outages can shut down equipment for days or weeks. An extended shutdown
could lead to higher gasoline prices.

Trivia Question: What well-known Jewish figure (currently living) was born
in Galveston, Texas? 
Answer: Jonathan Pollard

May HaShem's protection be with you.
Shalom v'Ahavah
JOE.

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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 17:34:33 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:34:33 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Please be safe
Message-ID: <855590370809121534q2a4f3959pba1d1ce4f04417f5@mail.gmail.com>

Shalom to all,

     As Shabbat approaches, I keep watching the ominous weather forecasts,
and I am praying fervently for those of you who are in the path of this
latest "natural disaster."  May HaShem keep you, your families and friends
safe.  May this be a Shabbat Shalom for ALL...

            *  Hanoch*
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Fri Sep 12 18:17:10 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:17:10 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] HURRICANE IKE.
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Prayers are with you Jeremy.  Blow that Shofar with all that is in you!!!  I
am sure that you will!!!  May HaShem protect you and yours and keep all
safe1

 

Love and prayers,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

 

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:38 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: RE: [Dialogue] HURRICANE IKE.

 

We are in Pearland Texas and have prepared to ride this out. Prayers are
appreciated. I will be blowing my Shofar tonight as Ike comes ashore.

 

Thank You

 

Jeremy

                                         

 

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:03 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Dialogue] HURRICANE IKE.

Shalom Chaverim,

For those in the Texas region including Elisheva and Kim and all of you that
I am not acquainted with, my prayers are with you.
This could be another blow of the Shofar :
http://dreamingofmoshiach.blogspot.com/2008/09/hurricane-ikes-path.html

Houston is flat and it sits very close to sea level 35 miles inland from
Galveston Bay. It is crisscrossed with bayous which help to drain it after
the water begins to go down, but in a storm surge, the water backs up. The
Houston Ship Channel is as big as a river and makes Houston an inland port.
Any tidal surge will bring flood waters right up that channel and into the
refineries and chemical companies which line its banks. Because of the
direction of air circulation, it is the backside of a hurricane which gets
the tidal surge and the higher the wind, the higher the water goes. 

 <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080911/ap_on_re_us/ike> Houston-Galveston
could face major damage from Ike 

HOUSTON - Gleaming skyscrapers, the nation's biggest refinery and NASA's
Johnson Space Center lie in areas that could be vulnerable to wind and
damaging floodwaters if Hurricane Ike crashes ashore as a major hurricane. 

Forecasters expect the storm to make landfall this weekend somewhere between
Corpus Christi and Houston, creating the potential for heavy punishment for
Houston even if it's not hit directly. 


Some forecasts say Ike could strengthen to a fearsome Category 4 hurricane
with winds of at least 131 mph over the Gulf of Mexico, and emergency
officials warned it could drive a storm surge as high as 18 feet.


If current projections of the storm's path hold up, the area surrounding
Houston - home to about 4 million people - would be lashed by the eastern or
"dirty" side of the storm, said meteorologist Jeff Masters, co-founder of
San Francisco-based Weather Underground. This stronger side of the storm
often packs heavy rains, walloping storm surge and tornadoes.

 

"I expect a lot of damage in Houston from this storm," said Masters, adding
that Ike could cause a "huge storm surge" affecting at least 100 miles of
the Texas coast.

 

...The surge in Galveston Bay could push floodwaters into Houston, damaging
areas that include the nation's biggest refinery and NASA's Johnson Space
Center.

 

...The oil and gas industry also watched the storm closely, fearing damage
to the very heart of its operations.

 

Texas is home to 26 refineries that account for one-fourth of U.S. refining
capacity, and most are clustered along the Gulf Coast in such places as
Houston, Port Arthur and Corpus Christi. Exxon Mobil Corp.'s plant in
Baytown, outside Houston, is the nation's largest refinery. Dow Chemical has
a huge operation just north of Corpus Christi.

 

Refineries are built to withstand high winds, but flooding can disrupt
operations and - as happened in Louisiana after Hurricane Gustav - power
outages can shut down equipment for days or weeks. An extended shutdown
could lead to higher gasoline prices.

 

Trivia Question: What well-known Jewish figure (currently living) was born
in Galveston, Texas? 

Answer: Jonathan Pollard

May HaShem's protection be with you.
Shalom v'Ahavah
JOE.

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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Sat Sep 13 08:12:21 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:12:21 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
Message-ID: <1271126575-1221312272-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-861044026-@bxe124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>


Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From tsbcroley at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 13 20:11:15 2008
From: tsbcroley at yahoo.com (Tammy & Bruce Croley)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
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John,
?I got the TEST email.? Did the hurricane affect y'all this time?? Hope that all are well.
Shavua Tov,
Tammy Croley


?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?It is very good to rely on G-d completely. As each day begins, I place my every movement in G-d?s hands, asking that I do only His will. This is very good and I have no worries. Whether or not things go right, I am completely dependant upon G-d. If He desires otherwise, I have already asked that I do only His will."?   ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Rabbi Nachman's Wisdom 2

--- On Sat, 9/13/08, carlson_john at bellsouth.net <carlson_john at bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net <carlson_john at bellsouth.net>
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
To: "Dialogue" <dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 8:12 AM

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Sat Sep 13 20:31:57 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:31:57 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Test
In-Reply-To: <588216.93242.qm@web57103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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Ike gave us a little wind an rain, nothing significant.  Gustav clobbered us.  But we are alright.  I waqs just testing to see if the lists themselves had been affected and they are still up.  I heard from some of the Texas folks and they are okay.  Hope to hear from the rest soon.

I pray that's the end of it for this season.

Thanks guys, Shauva Tav back at ya.

John C.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Tammy & Bruce Croley <tsbcroley at yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:11:15 
To: <dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Test


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From rndavar at aol.com  Sun Sep 14 00:55:53 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (rndavar at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:55:53 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Brian
Message-ID: <8CAE445AED339FE-1044-2871@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com>

I talked with Brian tonight and he informed me that he was able to check out his house today after the storm passed. There was some damage, but not severe and so he wanted me to pass along his appreciation for all of your prayers.

Like the Louisiana bunch, he may be without power for some days as the obvious damage to power lines is quite extensive. These storms produce incredibly powerful winds and power lines and poles just can't stand up against such high winds.

Keep Brian, Beth and Brian's family in your prayers until they are restored to their homes in peace and safety.? My mother and grandmother also live in Texas and have been affected by Ike and are without power. My dad too (no longer married to my mother) is without power in Texas.

So, take a moment to thank God for sparing life and property of our dear friends and family in Texas, but don't forget them. They are not yet in comfort.

Shalom, Ross
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From rndavar at aol.com  Sun Sep 14 00:57:56 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (rndavar at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:57:56 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Sunday Shul
Message-ID: <8CAE445F83B4238-1044-287E@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com>

God willing, we will have Sunday Shul at the regular time this week (Sunday at 7:00 PM Central). We have been down for two weeks with no electricity but are rejoicing that things are returning to normal.

Please pass the word. Shalom, Ross
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep 14 19:37:42 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:37:42 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Ki Tavo - Next week's parsha
Message-ID: <855590370809141737j7d17494fg83ce5ff66bb01993@mail.gmail.com>

  No 1240: 20 Elul 5768 (20 September 2008)



STARTING POINT



Large Stones and Whole Stones - by Rabbi Amnon Bazak, Yeshivat Har Etzion



Bnei Yisrael were commanded in this week's Torah portion to set up two piles
of stones on Mount Eival when they entered Eretz Yisrael. The passage about
these stones is written in an interesting way. First a command is given to
arrange one pile of stones with the entire Torah written on them: "And you
shall set up large stones and paint them with plaster. And you shall write
on them all the words of this Torah." [Devarim 27:2-3]. This is followed by
a second command, to arrange the second set of stones as an altar: "And you
shall build an altar there for your G-d, an altar of stone. Do not raise
iron over them. You shall build the altar of your G-d from whole stones."
[27:5-6]. But Moshe immediately follows this with a reminder of the command
to write the Torah on the stones. "And you shall write on the stones all the
words of this Torah, explained well" [27:8]. This structure of the text
shows that what we see here is one passage, which contains two commandments
to make piles of stones that are connected to each other. The question then
is: what is the link between the two sets of stones?



Evidently the purpose of the first pile of stones is to show that Bnei
Yisrael must fulfill the commands of the Torah as a condition for remaining
on the land. For this reason, the command to set up the stones must be
performed as soon as the people enter the land - "When you cross over, so
that you will enter the land which your G-d gives to you" [27:3]. In that
place the people will say, "Cursed is the one who does not maintain the
words of this Torah, in order to observe them." [27:26]. It is reasonable to
assume that the phrase "the words of this Torah" refers to the words written
on the nearby stones. The stones are an expression of the element of fear of
G-d, as is shown in detail by the the obligations while they live in Eretz
Yisrael. The second set of stones, on the other hand, built in the form of
an altar, expresses the trait of love and joy before G-d. "And you shall
offer Shelamim sacrifices and eat them there, and you shall be happy before
G-d." [27:7]. The Shelamim (in addition to the Olah sacrifice, which is an
expression of the fear of G-d) shows the link between the Almighty and man,
who has the privilege of eating at the Divine table. It also expresses
thanks to the Almighty that Yisrael was privileged to take possession of the
land. The two piles of stones, standing side by side, are thus symbols of
the way that G-d must be served in Eretz Yisrael ? through fear and through
love.



It may also be that in a symbolic way the Torah purposely describes the two
sets of stones differently. The stones on which the Torah is written are
called "large stones." Based on other verses, this can be seen to refer to
the trait of fear, as is written, "And G-d threw down on them large stones
from the sky, until Azeikah, and they died" [Yehoshua 10:11; see also
10:18]. The stones of the altar, on the other hand, are described as "whole
stones," linking them to the trait of perfection and peace.
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 06:35:02 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:35:02 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] THE definition of "dellusional!"
Message-ID: <855590370809150435v32a6a018s9e6bb5a0ffd6e16e@mail.gmail.com>

*Olmert: 'Vision of Greater Israel No Longer Exists'

***Channel 2 television reported last night that outgoing Prime Minister
Ehud Olmert has offered the Palestinians 98% of Judea and Samaria (West
Bank) in exchange for a "peace agreement".  Olmert and Palestinian Authority
President Mahmoud Abbas are scheduled to meet again this Tuesday.

The Prime Minister's Office declined to comment.

Earlier in the day, Olmert raised the issue in a Cabinet meeting of a
voluntary evacuation bill to help relocate settlers living in that area.

"The vision of a greater Israel no longer exists," Olmert said, referring to
the biblical prophecies regarding the land of Israel which have inspired
thousands to build communities in Judea and Samaria. "Those who speak of it
are delusional," the prime minister said.

According to Channel 2,  Olmert is considering sweeping concessions and could
transfer 98.1% of the West Bank to the PA. That is significantly more than
the 94% to 96% that had been discussed in previous negotiations.

Abbas has reportedly asked that Israel surrender the Jerusalem area suburb
communities of Ma'aleh Adumim and Givat Ze'ev, but is willing to negotiate
the status of the Jerusalem neighborhoods of Gilo and French Hill, which are
over the Green Line.

In the past the Palestinians have demanded that Israel fully withdraw to the
pre-1967 borders, including from eastern Jerusalem.   Israel has insisted it
plans to keep the larger settlements blocs including Ma'aleh Adumim and
Givat Ze'ev as well as the Jewish neighborhoods of east Jerusalem.

The future of Jerusalem, according to Channel 2, was being negotiated
between Olmert and Abbas, and not by the team led by Foreign Minister Tzipi
Livni.
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 22:34:32 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:34:32 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] "Two-State solution should be dead"
Message-ID: <855590370809152034w72ace98et4e5d33374b862ff9@mail.gmail.com>

*'Two-state solution should be dead'*

Tovah Lazaroff - Sep 15, 2008
The Jerusalem Post


After a decade of attending rallies and protests, Yuval Steinitz was certain
that peace had finally arrived when the first Oslo Accord was signed on the
White House lawn on September 13, 1993, exactly 15 years ago this week.

As a philosophy professor at the University of Haifa and an active member of
Peace Now, Steinitz recalled that he went out that night with friends to
celebrate the dawning of a new era for Israel.

But after two years, as the Palestinians armed themselves in the West Bank
and suicide bombers began blowing themselves up in Israel, a disillusioned
Steinitz came to the conclusion that instead of fostering peace, the accords
that had held so much promise were actually leading Israel on a path to its
demise.

"Oslo could have been right. I gave it a chance, but then I had to be a
skeptic and reexamine my position. Then I felt that what we did was a
terrible mistake," said Steinitz.

"I realized that, to my frustration, we were giving up land for war and
terror and incitement," he said.

As the Palestinians continued with their anti-Israel and anti-Semitic
rhetoric, he worried that "instead of a demilitarized Palestinian state we
might end up with a militarized Palestinian state in the center of the
country."

By 1995 he began to lobby against the Oslo Accords and in 1999 he left the
academic world and successfully ran for Knesset as a member of the
right-wing Likud Party, which he has represented in the Knesset ever since.

To his sorrow, said Steinitz, the principles of Oslo remain intact in the
Annapolis process and direct negotiations continue between Israeli and the
Palestinian leaders, despite the dangers they pose.

His objection to territorial compromise is not rooted in a belief in
biblical Israel, but is the outcome of a security analysis, said Steinitz,
who is a former head of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee.

"For any foreseeable future I do not see a partner, or any possibility to
leave Judea and Samaria or even part of it," he said.

"The idea of a two-state solution should be dead, today, because
unfortunately a Palestinian state in Judea and Samaria would bring about
Israel's demise," he added. Such a Palestinian state, he warned, would
"immediately become an outpost for Iran." The Hamas takeover of Gaza less
than two years after Israel withdrew from the area was a scenario that could
repeat itself in the West Bank, he warned.

The only reason Kassam rockets had not been fired at the center of the
country or at Ben-Gurion International Airport was because Israel had a
military presence in the West Bank, said Steinitz.

It was true, he said, he was among those in the Likud who supported the Gaza
withdrawal in 2005, largely for demographic reasons.

On paper, he said, it was an idea that made sense, but Israel failed in its
execution because it did not take certain security measures. In particular,
he argued, it should have held onto the Philadelphi Corridor on the
Gaza-Egypt border.

The same demographic considerations are not in play in the West Bank where
the birth rate was lower than in Gaza, said Steinitz.

Until there was a reliable partner, Israel should not be engaged in
negotiations with the Palestinians, said Steinitz, adding the lack of a
Palestinian partner that was committed to peace was the reason Oslo failed.

"We underestimated the pressure coming from the outside Arab world against
real peace and real compromise between Israel and the Palestinians,"
Steinitz said.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas talks nicely of peace but he
supports terrorism, Steinitz claimed.

When Abbas hugged Lebanese terrorist Samir Kuntar this summer, who killed
three people in Nahariya, including a four-year-old girl, he showed that he
was no different than former PA leader Yasser Arafat, Steinitz said.




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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 07:12:46 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:12:46 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] What's G-d's desire?
Message-ID: <855590370809160512v1bfae094j54b532cf3f580c37@mail.gmail.com>

     The Lekarev Report
   *16 Elul 5768
* *September 16, 2008
*  Shalom

*Oh that My people would hearken to Me, that Israel would walk in My ways!
I would soon subdue their enemies, and turn My hand against their
adversaries.
*
Psalm 81:13-14
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 07:37:19 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:37:19 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Inspiration and insight
Message-ID: <855590370809160537i622c186s8b7d9384a501657c@mail.gmail.com>

Once again, I turn to Rav Lazer Brody for insight, strengthening and
inspiration...and I think you will, too.  Check out his website:
http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/    Listen to the clip - "Emuna Update"
                           *    Hanoch*

Tuesday, 16 September 2008 at 12:16 AM
 Emuna News and Jerusalem
Update<http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/lazer_beams/2008/09/emuna-news-and-jerusalem-update.html>

Rabbi Nachman of Breslev says than insanity is the direct result from a lack
of emuna. A lack of emuna is what enables politicians to surrender what they
know is land that his been Jewish ever since the Torah gave it to us. Olmert
says greater Israel <http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1020998.html> is no
more. Let's see who enjoys greater longevity, greater Israel or the Prime
Minister...

Shas says<http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1221142471931&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull>it
won't join a government that is splitting Jerusalem. How strange,
Minister Yishai - you already belong to a government that is surrendering
Jerusalem. Who are you trying to fool? Ah, those comfy chairs in Knesset...

Jerusalem isn't mentioned in the
Koran<http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3596681,00.html>a
single time. The Arab "rights" to Jerusalem are even a bigger myth
than
the so-called Palestinian people. Yet, Israel's anti-emuna negotiators
totally capitulate to enemies that swear to destroy us in order to enjoy a
few quiet years in sidewalk cafes. Hashem has different ideas...

Why is Hashem threatening us with these insane territorial compromises? The
answer is simple - ATFAT, a turn for a turn. When we are soft and
compromising on the observance of Torah, Hashem is soft and compromising on
our territorial integrity. It's time to wake up and do Teshuva.

*Unrest in Syria: *All is not quiet in Damascus. Underneath the surface of
Assad's beady-eyed snirk, a major power
struggle<http://reformsyria.org/?p=1322>is going on between pro-Iran
and pro-Western factions with Assad's regime.
Our prediction - the pro-Iran forces will prevail, for that's part of the
Geula scenario. Assad is a slithery dude, strattling both sides of the
fence, but he won't be able to hedge it for long.

*Predicition*: Ms. Livni will win Kadima's primaries by a landslide and will
become the next Prime Minister without elections. Why? That's what the White
House and the State Department have decided. Don't worry - Hashem has His
own scenario with big surprises.

Here's our Emuna Update from the September 14th broadcast on Israel National
Radio, thanks to our Emuna staffer in Alabama, Cookie Dalton:
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From dhcole1 at cox.net  Wed Sep 17 19:27:35 2008
From: dhcole1 at cox.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:27:35 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] The Winds
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Well the wind did arrive and it blew HARD (90+mph) for hours.....(day light 
hours).   I have spent the last two weeks working on clearing debris and 
taking care of my faithful customers.  Having lost electricity and 
communications, we are slowly getting back up!!!  Some parts of Baton Rough 
suffered trees falling and totally destroying the utility grid. 
Fortunately,at our house, the electricity was restored after three days. 
Our cable (internet) was turned on today.  I stored up lots of Gasoline 
before the storm and was able to function with out worry for the first week 
with out having to refuel.  It was horrible getting around town, getting 
equipment and man power to locations, for the first week,  until most 
traffic signals were restored.  Sherry traveled to a small community 40-50 
miles northeast from here on the 4th day to replenish our perishable food 
supplies, (our small crew got a fast food lunch that day...WITH ICE!)

Along comes hurricane Ike....not much damage and I was able to rest for a 
day and a half during this storm.  Then we had a great break from the summer 
heat with a week of temp in the dry 60s....we are almost to the point in our 
work to say we are gaining head way.  It will be hard for me in the 
following weeks to stop and rest on the Sabbath.....

dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Cole" <dhcole1 at cox.net>
To: <dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Winds


> Hey Ross and all (saw your post) thought i would post too (lol)
>
> While we still have electricity and internet I thought I would post a 
> morning update.
>
> Baton Rouge is getting some wind gusts, up to 25mph or so, but not much 
> rain at this point.  Looking at the local news cameras mounted around the 
> city there is not much activity from the storm YET.....this is good news 
> to me in that my biggest concern was a storm hitting us during the night. 
> It was difficult to go to sleep last night not sure how this storm was 
> approching and at what forward speed we would see it.
>
> Well I will try and keep an update as I can today.
> I have a house full of relatives as well as their pets staying here with 
> us.....(cats and dogs)...we have the cat/good dog part of the house and 
> the bad dog section (daughters pit bull.....sigh)....hopefuly the two will 
> not meet!
>
> dave
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ross Nichols" <rndavar at aol.com>
> To: "United Israel" <uilist at unitedisrael.org>; "Dialogue List" 
> <dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:11 AM
> Subject: [Dialogue] The Winds
>
>
>>I woke up early this morning (as usual) and walked outside. I am sitting 
>>on my porch drinking coffee. The wind is picking up. The clouds are 
>>blowing from east to west. We will likely get some heavy rains and high 
>>winds here. Some predict that we may see winds as high as 70 mph.
>>
>> I will keep you all posted. I plan on spending the day in study. I have 
>> been reading my Torah all morning. I hope to write something up on the 
>> torah reading Shofetim later in the day.
>>
>> My prayers go out to all in the path of this storm. Some may not realize 
>> how vital the coast of Louisiana is to the entire US. The oil rigs that 
>> supply fuel could take a hard hit from Gustav.
>>
>> Shalom to all from Louisiana, Ross
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>> _______________________________________________
>
> _______________________________________________ 



From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Thu Sep 18 06:38:51 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:38:51 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] The Winds
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Hang in there Dave!  Y'all are in my thoughts and prayers.  No serious
weather woes here, just the collapse of several major financial companies,
with immediate layoffs in excess of 25,000 people, in NYC alone.  People are
still trying to figure out all the ramifications of all this.  But it isn't
going to be good.....quite the opposite, actually.

 It's always a good time to pray, but now is a GREAT time too.....

             *   Hanoch*



On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Dave Cole <dhcole1 at cox.net> wrote:

>
> Well the wind did arrive and it blew HARD (90+mph) for hours.....(day light
> hours).   I have spent the last two weeks working on clearing debris and
> taking care of my faithful customers.  Having lost electricity and
> communications, we are slowly getting back up!!!  Some parts of Baton Rough
> suffered trees falling and totally destroying the utility grid.
> Fortunately,at our house, the electricity was restored after three days. Our
> cable (internet) was turned on today.  I stored up lots of Gasoline before
> the storm and was able to function with out worry for the first week with
> out having to refuel.  It was horrible getting around town, getting
> equipment and man power to locations, for the first week,  until most
> traffic signals were restored.  Sherry traveled to a small community 40-50
> miles northeast from here on the 4th day to replenish our perishable food
> supplies, (our small crew got a fast food lunch that day...WITH ICE!)
>
> Along comes hurricane Ike....not much damage and I was able to rest for a
> day and a half during this storm.  Then we had a great break from the summer
> heat with a week of temp in the dry 60s....we are almost to the point in our
> work to say we are gaining head way.  It will be hard for me in the
> following weeks to stop and rest on the Sabbath.....
>
> dave
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Cole" <dhcole1 at cox.net>
> To: <dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Winds
>
>
> Hey Ross and all (saw your post) thought i would post too (lol)
>>
>> While we still have electricity and internet I thought I would post a
>> morning update.
>>
>> Baton Rouge is getting some wind gusts, up to 25mph or so, but not much
>> rain at this point.  Looking at the local news cameras mounted around the
>> city there is not much activity from the storm YET.....this is good news to
>> me in that my biggest concern was a storm hitting us during the night. It
>> was difficult to go to sleep last night not sure how this storm was
>> approching and at what forward speed we would see it.
>>
>> Well I will try and keep an update as I can today.
>> I have a house full of relatives as well as their pets staying here with
>> us.....(cats and dogs)...we have the cat/good dog part of the house and the
>> bad dog section (daughters pit bull.....sigh)....hopefuly the two will not
>> meet!
>>
>> dave
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Nichols" <rndavar at aol.com>
>> To: "United Israel" <uilist at unitedisrael.org>; "Dialogue List" <
>> dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
>> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:11 AM
>> Subject: [Dialogue] The Winds
>>
>>
>> I woke up early this morning (as usual) and walked outside. I am sitting
>>> on my porch drinking coffee. The wind is picking up. The clouds are blowing
>>> from east to west. We will likely get some heavy rains and high winds here.
>>> Some predict that we may see winds as high as 70 mph.
>>>
>>> I will keep you all posted. I plan on spending the day in study. I have
>>> been reading my Torah all morning. I hope to write something up on the torah
>>> reading Shofetim later in the day.
>>>
>>> My prayers go out to all in the path of this storm. Some may not realize
>>> how vital the coast of Louisiana is to the entire US. The oil rigs that
>>> supply fuel could take a hard hit from Gustav.
>>>
>>> Shalom to all from Louisiana, Ross
>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Thu Sep 18 21:29:20 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:29:20 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] "Not to Give in and Not to Fear"
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Not to Give In and Not to Fear 16 Elul 5768, 16 September 08 12:25
by by Yehudit Tayar

(IsraelNN.com) The media have been very busy the last few weeks crying their
outrage for the indifference of the public that did not see, did not report
and did not try to save the little innocent child, Rose, *z.l.*, who was
abused, neglected and brutally murdered.

In the early hours of Shabbat morning, a terrorist entered a Jewish
community, broke into a home and, finding it empty, began to burn it down. A
neighbor smelling the smoke sent one of his children outside to check on
what the smell of smoke was coming from. This nine-year-old child was
stabbed five times by a terrorist and then thrown several meters down the
ravine; only by a miracle were the injuries not critical. The terrorist then
fled to the nearby Arab village.

Yes, some of the residents of Yitzhar went to the village and reacted to the
attempted murder. Yes, they were unable to sit quietly and allow innocent
people, innocent children, be murdered. But because these outraged citizens
of Israel are residents of Yitzhar, they are called "extremists" or "extreme
rightists."

It is actually incredible the double standard on human life that the media
holds. If a Jew murders another Jew, this is a horrible crime that society
must be held accountable for, but if a Jew tries to prevent murders by Arab
terrorists, then we are extreme rightists and dangerous.

The headline proclaiming that the military is concerned about the
deterioration of the situation and the violence of Jewish residents of Judea
and Samaria must wake us up. We cannot sit quietly while the media directs a
public lynch campaign against us, and against our fundamental right to live
safely in our homes and communities and to respond to threats against us.
How can Prime Minister Ehud Olmert declare that it is unthinkable for
citizens to try and take the law into their own hands when he is both
releasing terrorists and not doing anything to protect the citizens of
Israel?

The ominous silence of the Israeli media and the Israeli public while the
government continues to release murderers, terrorists and grant pathetic
gestures to Abu Mazen - in order to strengthen the supposedly "moderate"
Arabs, when everyone knows that this will lead to yet more victims of terror
- is appalling. On the other hand, when we, the Jewish pioneers in Judea and
Samaria respond to violence directed against us, we are labeled extremists
or dangerous. The real danger is the terror directed against all of us as
Jewish residents of Israel, whether in Sderot, Ashkelon or Yitzhar.

The lack of response from the governments of Israel to missile attacks, bus
bombings and repeated murders of innocent Jewish citizens of Israel must
finally wake us up. We cannot afford to sit quietly while members of this
decadent, criminal government plan yet another stage of deception, of
"uprooting and compensation" of decent, law-abiding citizens of Israel, in
order to strengthen our enemies and hand over yet more vital areas of our
country. We have not forgotten the web of lies concerning compensation for
our families who were uprooted from their lives, and who have yet to rebuild
a permanent residency and community.

The last time a government of Israel implemented the "determined and
sensitive" plan of the uprooting of our families and destruction of Jewish
communities, we saw the outcome: the rise of Hamas and the base of terror
that replaced Gush Katif, turning the entire southern Israel into a target
for their murderous attacks.

We must never be afraid to defend our lives or the lives of our children
because of the warped, pro-Arab media and the corruption of the misdirected,
weak government. We must continue to make every effort to ensure the
protection of our lives, our communities and our very existence as Jewish
people in a Jewish State. It must never be taken for granted that our
existence here cannot be shaken by the evil forces from within as well as
those from outside. The brave determination of a nine-year-old boy against a
terrorist who was stabbing him repeatedly must be the symbol and direction
we take - not to give in, not to be afraid of protecting our lives and the
lives of those we love; and to continue to settle, live in and protect our
beloved Land.
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 07:03:13 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:03:13 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] "The Plagues of America"
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The Plagues Of America? %Date%
by by from "The Tamar Yonah Show" - Tamar Yonah

(IsraelNN.com) When we learn about the plagues of Egypt, do we get angry at
the person who is teaching us this biblical history?  Most of us would say
no.  It is in this vein that I wish to point your attention to the massive
plagues that seem to be happening in the United States. ...And don't be
angry at me that I am asking you to consider this.

*      (Below: Mass Exodus Fom Hurricane Ike)*

In the last two hurricanes that slammed into the U.S., we have seen a
true-blue exodus  take place of 3 million people.  Two million running from
Gustav and another one million from Ike.  If you are not aware, three
million people is close to half the population of Israel!  Can you imagine
HALF of the population of Israel having to flee their homes in an exodus
like what took place in the USA?

As G-d fearing people, we know that G-d controls everything in this world.
Nothing happens without His allowing it to happen.  This does not mean that
I believe in a cruel mean G-d that sits up in heaven and throws lightening
bolts in anger against mankind below.  Not at all!  I believe that G-d
created us, loves us, and wants us to follow His ways, to cling to Him, and
to grow from the challenges we face.  I believe He wants us to make the
proper choices in life so that we can take this world and make it better
after being here.  If we make the wrong choices, if we chose to do evil,
then it's not just a punishment, per se, rather, a CONSEQUENCE.

Imagine that you are a parent.  If one of your children does not clean his
room, throwing his books and shoes in the middle of the floor and then
decides to go to bed, would it be a 'punishment' if he got up in the middle
of the night to go to the bathroom, rubbing his eyes and then tripping over
the mess he left?  A punishment, or a consequence?  And do you, his parent
want your child to trip and hurt themselves?  Absolutely not.  You gave him
instructions.  You told him to keep his

*Map of Missiles/Rockets That Reach Israeli Population Centers and
International Airport.*

room tidy and reminded him that he has a habit of not wanting to put things
in order before he goes to bed.  But these are the consequences of
disobeying the rules, the laws of nature, the laws of the home.  You, the
parent would hope that your child would now have learned his lesson and will
now follow the rules of safety and a harmonious home life in the manual you
gave him of house rules. Others would call it the 'Bible'.

The Bush administration is at this moment working to undermine Israel and
destroy her.  Because the establishment of a Palestinian State in the
heartland of Israel would be impossible for Israel to survive.  All of
Israel's major poulation centers, including her international airport,
 would be vulnerable from mortar, rocket and missile attacks.

The Bush administration wants to go against the Bible, G-d's word, and divvy
up Jerusalem and the land of Israel.  Something that G-d said He would not
tolerate.  Yet Bush & Co. continue to press on, pressuring Israel to make
more concessions, more good will gestures, more prisoner releases of
convicted terrorist murderers, before the end of Bush's 8 year term is up,
in only several weeks time.





*                            Egyptain Plague of Hailfire*

Pharoah also tried to crush the Children of Israel.  He was the one who had
the hardened heart, yet his whole nation suffered.  Some Egyptians feared
G-d, and hid their animals inside their homes and barns when the burning
hail storms came down and demolished their farms.  The Egyptians suffered
much damage, but still survived to rebuild and recoup.  Do we not see the
same thing happening in America now? It was hurt, but it too survived, and
will hobble along re-building from this latest plague.

*                               Ike's Aftermath*

Yes, in G-d fearing people's eyes, Gustav and Ike, the exodus of 3 million
people, the devastation and havoc, was similar to one of the plagues of
Egypt.  I am not at all happy about this.  The American people are a good
people.  I would imagine it would be more just to see the Islamic TERROR
regimes suffer.  But I do not claim to know all of G-d's ways or His
accounting.  Perhaps troubles befall the Jews and now the Americans because
G-d cares enough to straighten us out, where as He has less interest in
disciplining  the more evil ones?  I am at a loss.  However, one thing I do
I believe, and that is,  if this part of history were happening before the
Torah was given,  it would have made it in as one of the stories of the
Bible.  Perhaps it would have gone something like this:

*"And King Bush, prince of the Western World continued to make the lives of
the Children of Israel very bitter.  He lured the corrupt Kings of Israel to
the peace table promising riches and open markets and peace.  But the price
was the Land of Israel to be given to the sons of Ishmael. And The Holy One,
Blessed Be He, made a great wind to blow over the seas over the southern
region which belonged to King Bush.*





*And a wall of water and great winds crashed into the homes and great cities
of the King.  But he would not hearken to the word of the L-rd.  And another
great storm came on the heels of the first, displacing millions of people,
and still King Bush did not hearken.  And another wall came down, this time
in their financial sector which they called Wall Street.  And the great
institutions that were housed there fell, leaving the population to carry
the debts of silver and gold*.



*And a great financial woe settled on this land, and the people cried."?.*


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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 07:05:35 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:05:35 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] 'A Rosh Hashana Prayer for Sderot'
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A Rosh Hashana Prayer in Sderot 18 Elul 5768, 18 September 08 01:11
by by Rabbi Avi Baumol

(IsraelNN.com) One of the most powerful prayers of the entire high holidays
is found not before the sounding of the shofar of Rosh Hashana, nor during
the *Al Chet* prayer on Yom Kippur, not even in the powerful prayer of
*U'netane
Tokef*; rather, it is a simple plea hidden during the time the Torah is
taken out and brought to the *bimah*.

Often, the poetry of the prayers, while pleasing to the ear and rolling off
the tongue, is difficult to comprehend and internalize. One prayer dispenses
with metaphors and flowery phraseology and truly expresses what is most on
our minds - *Ribon Ha'Olam*, "Lord of the Universe". It reads as follows:

*Lord of the universe, fulfill our petitions for happiness; grant our
request and graciously pardon all our iniquities, all the iniquities of our
families. Cleanse us from our sins and transgressions; remember us
generously; be mindful of us and mercifully save us. Remember us for a long
and happy life of peace and well-being; give us food to eat and clothes to
wear, wealth and length of days, to meditate in thy Torah and to perform its
precepts; endow us with intelligence to understand its deep mysteries. O
send healing for all our sorrows and bless all our work. Ordain for us good
laws of deliverance and comfort, and abolish all evil decrees against us.
Inspire the leaders of our government to be good to us. Amen, may this be
Thy will.*

The prayer, recited both on Rosh Hashana as well as Yom Kippur, begins with
a request for a spiritual pardon for our sins, a cleansing of our ways and a
desire for spiritual salvation at this hour of need. But it then goes
straight to our hearts as we ask from God for the most basic of physical
needs: happiness, peace of mind, well-being, food, clothing, wealth and
length of days. For what reason? To meditate in the words of God's Torah and
to perform the *mitzvot.*

It is a straightforward recipe - first a spiritual salvation, followed by a
physical one, all in order that we can serve God better throughout our year.


I thought about this prayer when I was in Sderot over the summer, at one of
our OU Israel programs we have been running for the past year. We have been
sending psychologist Debbie Gross and a team of social workers to Sderot
twice a week to offer trauma therapy, skills to cope with the terror, and
friendship, in a city void of a smile and a helping hand. Debbie will
continue to go and deal with the thousands of children who are suffering
from PTSD and other stress-related problems, and we hope to continue
supporting her as much as possible. In the summer, there was a final event
acknowledging the amazing work and I had a chance to speak with some of the
children who received therapy.

I saw a five-year-old girl still trembling from the shock and trauma she and
her family were put through her entire life. She draws a picture of her
house, her dog, her bicycle and - Kassam rockets destroying it all.

I see a teenage girl who was crying because she didn't pass her final exams;
she lost her ability to concentrate and, though the school is allowing her
more time, she is fed up; she doesn't want to continue on.

A boy tells me that his friend's foot was blown off and soon the bombs will
start again and he might be in the same place. Another creates a collage of
magazine articles which picture a sleepy town with nothing going on and he
calls the picture, "Paradise". There were hundreds more with thousands more
stories.

Meeting these young children, I ask myself what their Rosh Hashana prayer
would look like. Do they also ask for forgiveness? Do they seek wealth and
happiness? I think the prayer is modified in their minds and goes something
like this:

*Lord of the Universe, fulfil my petition for life and grant me the ability
to keep living! I ask for no pardons of iniquities, I simply don't have the
mindset to make a *heshbon hanefesh*, to search my deeds and actions over
the past year. I don't want to recall the thousands of times I cursed
running for shelter, or the countless times I looked up to the heavens and
prayed silently for this madness to stop - in vain. I simply want to exist.
Lord, I am not asking for a long life, but for a day without thinking of
another Kassam. Erase my memories. Create in me a new heart and a new spirit
so that I may one day serve you in joy. But not today, and not tomorrow. *

*Bring me people I can talk with, who will not be more frightened than I am
about living in Sderot. Get me therapy to learn how to cope with my stress;
I am eight years old and I have stress! Heal me, body and soul; help me by
destroying this evil decree in the form of Kassams which will undoubtedly
continue to rain down on us. Please inspire the leaders of my country to be
strong and protect its citizens, to be honest and to stand firm on promises,
to be courageous and come visit us in public, to be comforting and offer us
solutions instead of stating there are none. Please give them strength. I
hope I am here before You next year, and not in the hospital or worse. I
pray for the peace of Jerusalem and Sderot and everyone in our country.*

May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing before
Thee, O Lord, my Stronghold and my Redeemer.

Amen.
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 07:08:26 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:08:26 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] "Israel's Challenge"
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Israel's Challenge 17 Elul 5768, 17 September 08 11:56
by by Mark Silverberg

(IsraelNN.com) I was asked recently to explain why Israel was "ghettoizing"
the Palestinians by constructing a security barrier in areas that have
served as transit points for terrorists entering the country. The questioner
noted that, as a Jew, I should be more sensitive to the concept of a ghetto,
and its dehumanizing effects on human beings. I responded that the security
barrier was neither built for reasons of discrimination nor motivated by
racism, but as a deterrent to protect the lives of Israelis from Palestinian
suicide bombers; and in fact it has, to a great extent, accomplished its
purpose.

But the suggestion that Israel may have had racist motivations in
constructing the barrier disturbed me, because it seems to be a recurring
theme among major international bodies I asked the questioner why she had
decided to sort Israel out for "special treatment." After all, the security
barrier that Israel has constructed to keep Palestinian suicide bombers out
of its country is not unlike the security barrier constructed by the Saudis
to keep the Yemeni jihadists out of their country; or the one that India has
constructed along its borders with Pakistan, Kashmir and Bangladesh for the
same reason; or the one that the Thais have constructed to keep the
Malaysian jihadists out of their country, or the one that the US is
constructing to keep Mexican illegals out of our country; although I
couldn't recall the last time a Mexican self-detonated in Albuquerque, or
fired missiles into Dallas or Houston.

What is disturbing here is that this anti-Israel parody goes far beyond the
barrier issue. It represents a callous disregard for fundamental justice and
perhaps even anti-Semitism cloaked as righteous indignation.

With the start of Ramadan (the Islamic month of fasting) in early September,
for example, Israeli forces manning West Bank checkpoints were instructed to
avoid eating or smoking in front of Palestinians as a sign of respect, while
the Palestinians continue to use the Tomb of Joseph as a garbage dump and
have urinated next to the Torah scrolls in the Cave of the Patriarchs. Further,
on any given day, Israeli prisons are hosting Red Cross representatives,
journalists, lawyers, prisoners' advocates, as well as family members of
convicted Palestinian prisoners, while Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier
kidnapped by Hamas on Israeli soil, is being held in isolation and denied
any and all visitation rights from lawyers, family and even the
International Red Cross - in violation of his human rights and international
law. So, where is the international outcry for Shalit?

And there's more. Israel is constantly confronted with the demand that it
must return Gaza and the West Bank to the Palestinians and the Golan Heights
to Syria - areas seized during the 1967 Six-Day War. Why, then, do we never
hear that same argument being raised against other nations? After World War
II, Poland annexed 10% of historic Germany (East Prussia); Morocco controls
the Western Sahara; Armenia has controlled 15% of neighboring Azerbaijan
since 1994; Turkey has controlled half of Cyprus since its 1974 invasion;
Russia has controlled the Kurile Islands off northern Japan for sixty-three
years; and China has occupied Tibet since 1950. So, where is the
international outcry demanding that these countries return lands they seized
in war? Why is it that only Israel's control over the West Bank merits
international censure?

Then there's the demand that the Palestinians be allowed a "right of return"
to Israel proper, or at least fair compensation for having been displaced as
a result of Israel's War of Independence in 1948. Why are similar demands
not being made of the Syrians, the Iranians, the Iraqis and the Egyptians,
who displaced (or more specifically expelled) 750,000 Jews from their
countries in 1948?

I don't recall any demands being made of any nation for compensation or
allowing a right of return to any refugees displaced after any wars in
modern times - except of course for those being made of Israel.
Czechoslovakia expelled its Sudetenland Germans from their homes after World
War II; the Poles expelled millions of Germans from East Prussia and
absorbed that territory into Poland in 1945; thousands of Turkish Cypriots
were displaced by Greek military forces in the 1960s and early '70s,
while Turkish
forces displaced thousands of Greek Cypriots from Northern Cyprus after
their 1974-1976 war; 450,000 ethnic Chinese were expelled from Vietnam
between 1978-1979; the Bangladeshis expelled over three million Hindus in
1974; 250,000 Georgians were displaced from Abkhazia between 1993 and 1998,
not to mention more than 500,000 ethnic Russians in Chechnya who were
displaced during the First Chechen War in 1994-1996; and more than 800,000
Kosovar Albanians who were expelled from Kosovo during the Kosovo War in
1998-1999. Somehow, I must have missed offers of a right of return or any
compensation package being offered to these millions upon millions of
persons displaced by wars - except in the case of Israel.

And then there's the issue relating to Israel's treatment of the
Palestinians in Gaza. Let's consider how these Israeli "monsters" have
behaved. Hamas has declared its intention to destroy Israel and murder every
Jew residing there, and has fired over 7,000 missiles at southern Israel. In
return, Israel is providing 70% of Gaza's electrical power and, each week,
sends tons of food, fuel and humanitarian aid to an enemy whose entire
rationale for existence is the extermination or subjugation of every Jew in
Israel. During World War II, the Allies firebombed Dresden, obliterated
German cities, and dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Israel
feeds its enemies!

And finally, Israel has been condemned for retaliating against Hamas and
Hezbullah for their missile attacks on Israel's southern and northern
civilian populations because, it is said, Israel is (and this is a direct
quote from Human Rights Watch) "endangering non-combatants, using
disproportionate force and committing crimes against humanity." If Israel
fired missiles into Gaza City, Sidon or Tyre, the world would be enraged,
the UN Security Council would be called into Special Session, Condoleezza
Rice would be threatening Jerusalem - again - and the media would be having
a field day. So why is it that when the Palestinians and the Lebanese fire
missiles at Israeli civilians - as their primary target - it is barely
mentioned in the media, but when Israel retaliates against those missile
sites in targeted bombings, it's considered "disproportionate force"; all of
which leads to the real issue lurking behind the scenes here - our enemies'
tactical use of human shields.

Why is criticism never leveled at Hamas or Hezbullah, who regularly use
children as human shields to protect their leaders and their weapons? In all
the condemnation being heaped on Israel by the media for its retaliatory
strikes in Gaza and in Lebanon during the Second Lebanon War (and indeed any
future conflict), no one ever asks: "How can any democratic nation expect to
win a war without 'endangering civilians,' especially when the enemy uses
human shields as a tactical weapon to insulate itself from military
strikes?" Are we not handing our enemies an enormous tactical advantage? How
can any democratic nation ever hope to win a future war against enemies that
use human shields if it is condemned for "endangering civilians"?

Until there is universal condemnation of these tactics and recognition of
the discriminatory double standards applied to Israel, claims by
self-righteous international organizations such as Human Rights Watch,
Amnesty International, the UN General Assembly, the European Union and the
International Court of Justice are more than meaningless. They are offensive
and deceitful.
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 07:12:58 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:12:58 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] "Reverse the Process of 'De-Patriotization' "
Message-ID: <855590370809190512xa250c3ey482f9c384fb3499f@mail.gmail.com>

As Prime Minister Ehud Olmert prepares to leave the political stage, he made
sure to fire a verbal salvo at those who love the Land of Israel, declaring
that anyone who still believes in the notion of a 'Greater Israel' is
delusional.

Such sentiments are symptoms of a much deeper ideological fatigue that has
set in among some Israelis, and action must be taken to reinvigorate the
public and restore its love for the land.

As I suggest in the article below from the Jerusalem Post, one step towards
doing so would be to establish an annual "Land of Israel Day" on the tenth
day of the Hebrew month of Nisan (the date when, according to the Bible, the
Jewish people miraculously crossed over the Jordan River and entered the
land as a nation for the first time).

Such a day, devoted to celebrating the land and our eternal bond with it,
would help to reinforce our commitment and dedication to retaining our
ancient patrimony.

Comments and feedback may be sent to: letters at jpost.com or to me directly
msfreund at netvision.net.il .

Thanks,

Michael Freund

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1221489049694&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
The Jerusalem Post, September 17, 2008
Reverse the process of "de-patriotization"
By Michael Freund

With his departure from the political scene imminent, Prime Minister Ehud
Olmert has apparently decided to slam the door on his way out. Like a
boorish guest storming out of a gathering at which he is no longer welcome,
the premier used this past Sunday's weekly cabinet meeting - possibly his
last - to hurl invective at those who remain faithful to the land of Israel.

In his parting shot, Olmert declared that "the notion of a Greater Israel no
longer exists, and anyone who still believes in it is deluding himself."

"Deluding himself"? Frankly, I'm insulted. I don't think I'm deluding myself
because I share the dream that Jews have nurtured for 2000 years to return
to all parts of our homeland. Nor do I think it is a flight of fancy to
believe in the promises that God made to our biblical forebears - Abraham,
Isaac and Jacob - that this land would be ours and no one else's.

Indeed, it says a great deal about the state of our leadership, and our
political culture in general, that the head of government would so breezily
belittle the heartfelt beliefs of a large part of the nation.

The prime minister can choose to think differently, of course. But why must
he resort to insults to make his point? Needless to say, this is not the
first time that Olmert has used such disparaging terminology.

In a May appearance before the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense
Committee, he branded those who believe in Greater Israel as "delusional
fantasists." "Only fantasists," he said, "can believe that in this day and
age, and in the current situation, it is still possible to cling to the
vision of 'Greater Israel.'"

Not content that he had gotten his message across in May, Olmert evidently
felt the need to add insult to injury once again. But this time, however, he
went a step further. Because in addition to bad-mouthing the people of
Israel, he also ridiculed the land itself.

Hinting at media reports that he had offered 98.1 percent of Judea and
Samaria to the Palestinians, Olmert told the cabinet that "we have to ask
ourselves if losing a hill here or there is worth forfeiting the chance to
achieve something."

THAT SENTENCE alone embodies all that is wrong - not only with Olmert
himself, but with the entire leadership of this country. To demean Judea and
Samaria, to reduce the heartland of the Jewish people to just "a hill here
or there," is to denigrate the very cradle of our existence.

It reveals the underlying weakness behind Israel's position in the 15 years
since the start of the Oslo process: The Palestinians seem to want this land
more than our own leaders do. Hence, the ease with which Olmert and his
colleagues are so willing to part with it.

Such sentiments reflect a sorry state of ideological fatigue, weariness of
spirit and loss of resolve. More importantly, though, they indicate a
failure to dream.

Every person, every nation, has its dreams. Take that away, and what is
left? As the great French writer Anatole France noted a century ago, "To
accomplish great things we must not only act, but also dream, not only plan
but also believe." Sadly, however, many Israelis no longer seem to
understand this.

WHAT, THEN, can be done to reverse this trend? Is it still possible to
reenergize and reinvigorate the public and instill within it a basic love of
land and country? Sure thing, though it will of course take time, and lots
of education, to reverse the process of "de-patriotization" that has set in.

But here is a simple idea that could go a long way toward reconnecting us
all with our ancestral patrimony: Let's launch an annual "Land of Israel
Day." The holiday would be devoted to celebrating the land and our eternal
bond with it, and should include a range of educational, social and cultural
activities stressing the Jewish people's attachment to this holy soil.

I suggest the 10th day of Nisan. Why? Because according to the Book of
Joshua (4:19) it was on that day that the Jewish people miraculously crossed
over the Jordan River and entered the land as a nation for the first time.

What could possibly be better than utilizing the anniversary of this
momentous historical event to underline our renewed commitment to this land
so many thousands of years later? Inaugurating such a day would also serve
as a potent reminder to us all that the notion of Greater Israel was around
long before Olmert and his sort, and it will outlast them well into the
future too.

For, as Menachem Begin once put it so well, "Yet faith is perhaps stronger
than reality, for faith itself creates reality."
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From rndavar at aol.com  Fri Sep 19 12:12:33 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (Ross Nichols)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:12:33 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Emily
Message-ID: <522383674-1221844308-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1851314208-@bxe130.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I am sitting in the waiting room outside of labor and delivery. One of my daughters-Emily will give birth to my second grandson at some point today. We are excited and I will share the news later. 

An early Shabbat shalom to you all! Ross
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 13:07:29 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:07:29 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, thanks again, Mr. Olmert...
Message-ID: <855590370809191107h7f84ae69nee69764c2df35439@mail.gmail.com>

Under his direction...
                  Click here: YouTube - Gibor - Tribute to Israeli
Soldiers<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oPGoQOXUL4&feature=related>

                   * Hanoch*
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 13:12:08 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:12:08 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] For all of us....
Message-ID: <855590370809191112n719ba82gacf890f8c29b3d70@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not a fan of this song, personally - but the images are striking.

                 * Hanoch*
  Click here: YouTube - IDF SOLDIERS: in loving memery of Israel's most
Brave <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTcH6aJ2AXE&feature=related>
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 15:27:59 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:27:59 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] special tribute
Message-ID: <855590370809191327m4cba42aeh9b1d45fb1df1553d@mail.gmail.com>

This one has hauntingly beautiful music in the background from the movie,
'300' one of my favorite films of last year.
                             Hanoch

Click here: YouTube - Special Tribute to
IDF<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuNGPlVssGw&feature=related>
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 15:34:42 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:34:42 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] "On Rosh Hashana it will be written...who by Kassam
Message-ID: <855590370809191334p76f5ac45jf7897c1dba437e49@mail.gmail.com>

  *On Rosh Hashanah it will be written...who by Kassam...* [image:
http://community.ou.org/site/R?i=7epnCTxTL5rcPmycFKMTRw..]<http://community.ou.org/site/R?i=7epnCTxTL5rcPmycFKMTRw..>
*It's about fear. It's about uncertainty.*

It's about a 9-year-old who started wetting his bed again at night and can't
concentrate in school, or a 15- year-old who thinks she won't make it to 16
and should have as much fun -- legal or otherwise -- as possible.*
* *It's about hope. It's about healing.*

The OU Israel Emergency Trauma Team works with the children of Sderot to
help them express their fears and anxieties and gives them the tools to cope
with the uncertainty.

Every session brings healing, new hope, and the promise of a better future.
And sometimes even a hug and a smile.
*
Help us bring hope. Help us heal.* [image:
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From rndavar at aol.com  Fri Sep 19 17:52:58 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (Ross Nichols)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:52:58 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Saba Again
Message-ID: <1943073691-1221864723-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1720671193-@bxe130.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

My daughter Emily just gave birth to my second grandson as we approach the Sabbath. He was 8 lbs even and has a head full of dark hair. He is perfect and I am blessed. Happy is the man whose quiver is full....mine is filling. More later. Thanks for the notes.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Fri Sep 19 18:18:54 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:18:54 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Saba Again
Message-ID: <1942323107-1221866390-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-154127544-@bxe124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Most excellent Ross!  Praying for all of you.

John C.

------Original Message------
From: Ross Nichols
Sender: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
To: Dialogue
To: UIWU
ReplyTo: Dialogue
Sent: Sep 19, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: [Dialogue] Saba Again

My daughter Emily just gave birth to my second grandson as we approach the Sabbath. He was 8 lbs even and has a head full of dark hair. He is perfect and I am blessed. Happy is the man whose quiver is full....mine is filling. More later. Thanks for the notes.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From creechmargie at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 19 18:41:19 2008
From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:41:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] Emily
In-Reply-To: <522383674-1221844308-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1851314208-@bxe130.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <130099.12211.qm@web58503.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

There is no blessing like a grandbaby!? Congrats in advance.? He will have the same birthday as my husband if he comes today.?? 

Shabbat Shalom,
Margie 

--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Ross Nichols <rndavar at aol.com> wrote:
From: Ross Nichols <rndavar at aol.com>
Subject: [Dialogue] Emily
To: "United Israel" <uilist at unitedisrael.org>, "Dialogue List" <dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 12:12 PM

I am sitting in the waiting room outside of labor and delivery. One of my
daughters-Emily will give birth to my second grandson at some point today. We
are excited and I will share the news later. 

An early Shabbat shalom to you all! Ross
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Fri Sep 19 20:10:01 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:10:01 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Saba Again
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Message-ID: <200809200110.m8K1A1sq027120@mail208c25.carrierzone.com>

Baruch Hashem for the wonderful gift, and mazel tov to mom, dad, 
grandma and grandpa, and may the newest member of the clan be watched 
over and protected, and may he become a strong pillar in the 
congregation of Israel.

Steve


At 03:52 PM 9/19/2008, you wrote:
>My daughter Emily just gave birth to my second grandson as we 
>approach the Sabbath. He was 8 lbs even and has a head full of dark 
>hair. He is perfect and I am blessed. Happy is the man whose quiver 
>is full....mine is filling. More later. Thanks for the notes.
>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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From bkgivin at charter.net  Fri Sep 19 20:20:04 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:20:04 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: PRAY FOR AMY
Message-ID: <2589D20F8ACE43AE9886E38BD281A01D@bettylaptop>

Shabbat shalom to all!

 

  _____  

From: Betty Givin [mailto:bkgivin at charter.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:01 AM
To: 'James Tabor'
Subject: PRAY FOR AMY

 

James, I just got a call from Amy.  She just left the ER.  Apparantly she
had a very violent reaction to what is going on in her house.they had quite
a bit of water damage and she has been doing a lot of cleaning, moving stuff
around, etc.  They had a water remediation company come out yesterday and
today and they ended up taking a number of walls and some of the ceilings
down.  In addition, the whole front of their house which is stucco is going
to have to be rebuilt. 

 

Anyway, she ended up in the ER tonight with symptoms of severe nausea, chest
pain and difficulty breathing and her vision became very blurred.  She was
driving home and made it to the Fire Station where they gave her some oxygen
and called an ambulance to take her to the hospital.  They are staying in a
hotel tonight.  After that, I am not sure what they will do, as most all the
hotels in Baton Rouge and surrounding areas are full.  Little Larry has been
staying with a friend, so he has been pretty much out of the house. 

 

 Please just keep her in your prayers, and if you will, please pass this on
to the list.  I am too tired tonight.have been working around 12-16 hours a
day (except for Shabbat) since the first week in June, and it is taking its
toll.  But I am fine.just tired. It is Amy and her family that I am
concerned about and of course Little Larry because with CF, he absolutely
cannot afford to be breathing any of that junk.  They bought a couple of
filters for the house, but apparently that is not enough.  Talking to her
tonight made me wonder how many other people may be sick.hope all in our
little LA group are okay.Kim drove back to Houston last night and her apt
was okay.  She has power, but no internet yet.love you all!  Betty

 

 

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Fri Sep 19 20:21:27 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:21:27 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] Saba Again
In-Reply-To: <200809200110.m8K1A1sq027120@mail208c25.carrierzone.com>
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Message-ID: <88D5CD5422E843BA9BF52992692F0A31@bettylaptop>

Baruch HaShem Ross.may you all be blessed.yes, Ross, your quiver is
defininitely filling

 

  _____  

From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 8:10 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Saba Again

 

Baruch Hashem for the wonderful gift, and mazel tov to mom, dad, grandma and
grandpa, and may the newest member of the clan be watched over and
protected, and may he become a strong pillar in the congregation of Israel.

Steve


At 03:52 PM 9/19/2008, you wrote:



My daughter Emily just gave birth to my second grandson as we approach the
Sabbath. He was 8 lbs even and has a head full of dark hair. He is perfect
and I am blessed. Happy is the man whose quiver is full....mine is filling.
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From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 20 11:17:45 2008
From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:17:45 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] The Winds
In-Reply-To: <06ca01c91925$5920dca0$6500a8c0@davesbook>
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Dave,

Thanks so much or this update that I am just getting to this Sabbath  
myself. I think with Ike and all the attention to NOLA people seemed  
to forget BR and the horrible damage. It sounds very much like what we  
had here in Charlotte with Hugo way back in 1989, no power for two  
weeks. Our thoughts are with all of you. I think in times like those  
amazing things happen, even with all the stress.

Shabbat Shalom,

James


On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:27 PM, Dave Cole wrote:

>
> Well the wind did arrive and it blew HARD (90+mph) for hours..... 
> (day light hours).   I have spent the last two weeks working on  
> clearing debris and taking care of my faithful customers.  Having  
> lost electricity and communications, we are slowly getting back  
> up!!!  Some parts of Baton Rough suffered trees falling and totally  
> destroying the utility grid. Fortunately,at our house, the  
> electricity was restored after three days. Our cable (internet) was  
> turned on today.  I stored up lots of Gasoline before the storm and  
> was able to function with out worry for the first week with out  
> having to refuel.  It was horrible getting around town, getting  
> equipment and man power to locations, for the first week,  until  
> most traffic signals were restored.  Sherry traveled to a small  
> community 40-50 miles northeast from here on the 4th day to  
> replenish our perishable food supplies, (our small crew got a fast  
> food lunch that day...WITH ICE!)
>
> Along comes hurricane Ike....not much damage and I was able to rest  
> for a day and a half during this storm.  Then we had a great break  
> from the summer heat with a week of temp in the dry 60s....we are  
> almost to the point in our work to say we are gaining head way.  It  
> will be hard for me in the following weeks to stop and rest on the  
> Sabbath.....
>
> dave


From chattertonw at bellsouth.net  Sat Sep 20 14:46:16 2008
From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (chattertonw at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:46:16 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Saba Again
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Message-ID: <092020081946.2038.48D55308000200D5000007F622230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9902019B9D0A9B9B0E080C@att.net>

congrats, Paw Paw!
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My daughter Emily just gave birth to my second grandson as we approach the Sabbath. He was 8 lbs even and has a head full of dark hair. He is perfect and I am blessed. Happy is the man whose quiver is full....mine is filling. More 
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From calbfordham at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 17:34:11 2008
From: calbfordham at gmail.com (calb fordham)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:34:11 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Saba Again
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Ross,

Congratulations!!!  Blessings be upon you all!

Chris and Amber Fordham

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Ross Nichols <rndavar at aol.com> wrote:

> My daughter Emily just gave birth to my second grandson as we approach the
> Sabbath. He was 8 lbs even and has a head full of dark hair. He is perfect
> and I am blessed. Happy is the man whose quiver is full....mine is filling.
> More later. Thanks for the notes.
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 21:38:56 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:38:56 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] Saba Again]
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Mazal tov to the entire family!!!!

             Hanoch

On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:06 PM, JOE INDOMENICO <jid at westnet.com.au> wrote:

> *Shalom Ross,
>
> Mazel Tov and Simen Tov!!!
>
> May HaShem bless the Nichols clan with the arrival of its latest member,
> your grandson. Please let us know his name.
> Special regards and best wishes to your daughter Emily and her husband.
>
> Is it not amazing how this little bundle of joy came in the midst of the
> terrible havoc that has been your world over the past two weeks. Baruch
> HaShem who teaches us constantly about the cycle of life and hope in the
> midst of calamity.
>
> May His Name be blessed forever.
>
> A special cuddle and embrace to your grandson.
>
> Congratulations.
> JOE.
> *
>
> My daughter Emily just gave birth to my second grandson as we approach the
> Sabbath. He was 8 lbs even and has a head full of dark hair. He is perfect
> and I am blessed. Happy is the man whose quiver is full....mine is filling.
> More later. Thanks for the notes.
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> _______________________________________________
>
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 21 08:55:23 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:55:23 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] "The Plagues of America"
In-Reply-To: <855590370809190503u77fae334i59daf918a6b072f9@mail.gmail.com>
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Hanoch, thank you for this.  It really makes you stop and think.  Our chosen leaders' policies (especially in regard to Israel) bring consequences upon their nations.  I believe Tamar is right when she says that perhaps G-d is dealing with America this way because He loves her and is trying to reach her people.  ~ Pat


From: Hanoch Young 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 8:03 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
Subject: [Dialogue] "The Plagues of America"





The Plagues Of America?
%Date%by by from "The Tamar Yonah Show" - Tamar Yonah
(IsraelNN.com) When we learn about the plagues of Egypt, do we get angry at the person who is teaching us this biblical history?  Most of us would say no.  It is in this vein that I wish to point your attention to the massive plagues that seem to be happening in the United States. ...And don't be angry at me that I am asking you to consider this.

      (Below: Mass Exodus Fom Hurricane Ike)

In the last two hurricanes that slammed into the U.S., we have seen a true-blue exodus  take place of 3 million people.  Two million running from Gustav and another one million from Ike.  If you are not aware, three million people is close to half the population of Israel!  Can you imagine HALF of the population of Israel having to flee their homes in an exodus like what took place in the USA?

As G-d fearing people, we know that G-d controls everything in this world.  Nothing happens without His allowing it to happen.  This does not mean that I believe in a cruel mean G-d that sits up in heaven and throws lightening bolts in anger against mankind below.  Not at all!  I believe that G-d created us, loves us, and wants us to follow His ways, to cling to Him, and to grow from the challenges we face.  I believe He wants us to make the proper choices in life so that we can take this world and make it better after being here.  If we make the wrong choices, if we chose to do evil, then it's not just a punishment, per se, rather, a CONSEQUENCE.

Imagine that you are a parent.  If one of your children does not clean his room, throwing his books and shoes in the middle of the floor and then decides to go to bed, would it be a 'punishment' if he got up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, rubbing his eyes and then tripping over the mess he left?  A punishment, or a consequence?  And do you, his parent want your child to trip and hurt themselves?  Absolutely not.  You gave him instructions.  You told him to keep his 

Map of Missiles/Rockets That Reach Israeli Population Centers and International Airport.

room tidy and reminded him that he has a habit of not wanting to put things in order before he goes to bed.  But these are the consequences of disobeying the rules, the laws of nature, the laws of the home.  You, the parent would hope that your child would now have learned his lesson and will now follow the rules of safety and a harmonious home life in the manual you gave him of house rules. Others would call it the 'Bible'.

The Bush administration is at this moment working to undermine Israel and destroy her.  Because the establishment of a Palestinian State in the heartland of Israel would be impossible for Israel to survive.  All of Israel's major poulation centers, including her international airport,  would be vulnerable from mortar, rocket and missile attacks.  

The Bush administration wants to go against the Bible, G-d's word, and divvy up Jerusalem and the land of Israel.  Something that G-d said He would not tolerate.  Yet Bush & Co. continue to press on, pressuring Israel to make more concessions, more good will gestures, more prisoner releases of convicted terrorist murderers, before the end of Bush's 8 year term is up, in only several weeks time.



   

                            Egyptain Plague of Hailfire

Pharoah also tried to crush the Children of Israel.  He was the one who had the hardened heart, yet his whole nation suffered.  Some Egyptians feared G-d, and hid their animals inside their homes and barns when the burning hail storms came down and demolished their farms.  The Egyptians suffered much damage, but still survived to rebuild and recoup.  Do we not see the same thing happening in America now? It was hurt, but it too survived, and will hobble along re-building from this latest plague. 



                               Ike's Aftermath

Yes, in G-d fearing people's eyes, Gustav and Ike, the exodus of 3 million people, the devastation and havoc, was similar to one of the plagues of Egypt.  I am not at all happy about this.  The American people are a good people.  I would imagine it would be more just to see the Islamic TERROR regimes suffer.  But I do not claim to know all of G-d's ways or His accounting.  Perhaps troubles befall the Jews and now the Americans because G-d cares enough to straighten us out, where as He has less interest in disciplining  the more evil ones?  I am at a loss.  However, one thing I do I believe, and that is,  if this part of history were happening before the Torah was given,  it would have made it in as one of the stories of the Bible.  Perhaps it would have gone something like this:

"And King Bush, prince of the Western World continued to make the lives of the Children of Israel very bitter.  He lured the corrupt Kings of Israel to the peace table promising riches and open markets and peace.  But the price was the Land of Israel to be given to the sons of Ishmael. And The Holy One, Blessed Be He, made a great wind to blow over the seas over the southern region which belonged to King Bush.  



       

And a wall of water and great winds crashed into the homes and great cities of the King.  But he would not hearken to the word of the L-rd.  And another great storm came on the heels of the first, displacing millions of people, and still King Bush did not hearken.  And another wall came down, this time in their financial sector which they called Wall Street.  And the great institutions that were housed there fell, leaving the population to carry the debts of silver and gold.  

       

And a great financial woe settled on this land, and the people cried."?.



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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Sun Sep 21 09:44:25 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:44:25 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Yair Davidiy  on Internet Radio on Sunday 
Message-ID: <200809211444.m8LEiP2S011271@mail202c25.carrierzone.com>

Brit-Am on Radio in USA
A recording of a brief interview followed by a BAMBI lecture (ca. 1 
hour?) will be broadcast on Kosher Radio this Sunday Morning
at ca. 930 New Mexico Time.
##just place a link to our radio broadcast www.fm1019messianic.com
  or http://38.96.148.33:8732/listen.pls   this will play on any 
player, real, quick, I tunes etc...##

In future if all goes well more such programs will follow on a regular basis.

More details later.


Yair Davidiy
POB 595
Jerusalem 91004
Israel

Brit-Am
http://www.britam.org

AND I WILL MAKE OF THEE A GREAT NATION, AND I WILL BLESS THEE, AND MAKE THY
NAME GREAT; AND THOU SHALT BE A BLESSING:

   AND I WILL BLESS THEM THAT BLESS THEE...
AND IN  THEE SHALL ALL FAMILIES OF THE EARTH BE BLESSED
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 09:45:17 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:45:17 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] "The Plagues of America"
In-Reply-To: <BLU125-DS34FD2DE2CFDA62D2DCFEDBA480@phx.gbl>
References: <855590370809190503u77fae334i59daf918a6b072f9@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <855590370809210745i2bc3bf1al9796f878f02c4e18@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Pat -

    You're welcome, and I think you may be on to something.  I DO think that
HaShem has had a 'special relationship' of some kind with America.  Whether
there is still time to change (for America, that is..), remains to be seen.
But let's try to look at it as a half FULL glass, and that HE is indeed
trying to reach Americans.  I hope so....

            *  Hanoch
*
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Pat Robbins <patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com>wrote:

>  Hanoch, thank you for this.  It really makes you stop and think.  Our
> chosen leaders' policies (especially in regard to Israel) bring consequences
> upon their nations.  I believe Tamar is right when she says that perhaps G-d
> is dealing with America this way because He loves her and is trying to reach
> her people.  ~ Pat
>
>  *From:* Hanoch Young <youngbarzel at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2008 8:03 AM
> *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
> *Subject:* [Dialogue] "The Plagues of America"
>
>
>
> The Plagues Of America? %Date%
> by by from "The Tamar Yonah Show" - Tamar Yonah
>
> (IsraelNN.com) When we learn about the plagues of Egypt, do we get angry at
> the person who is teaching us this biblical history?  Most of us would say
> no.  It is in this vein that I wish to point your attention to the massive
> plagues that seem to be happening in the United States. ...And don't be
> angry at me that I am asking you to consider this.
>
> *      (Below: Mass Exodus Fom Hurricane Ike)*
>
> In the last two hurricanes that slammed into the U.S., we have seen a
> true-blue exodus  take place of 3 million people.  Two million running from
> Gustav and another one million from Ike.  If you are not aware, three
> million people is close to half the population of Israel!  Can you imagine
> HALF of the population of Israel having to flee their homes in an exodus
> like what took place in the USA?
>
> As G-d fearing people, we know that G-d controls everything in this world.
> Nothing happens without His allowing it to happen.  This does not mean that
> I believe in a cruel mean G-d that sits up in heaven and throws lightening
> bolts in anger against mankind below.  Not at all!  I believe that G-d
> created us, loves us, and wants us to follow His ways, to cling to Him, and
> to grow from the challenges we face.  I believe He wants us to make the
> proper choices in life so that we can take this world and make it better
> after being here.  If we make the wrong choices, if we chose to do evil,
> then it's not just a punishment, per se, rather, a CONSEQUENCE.
>
> Imagine that you are a parent.  If one of your children does not clean his
> room, throwing his books and shoes in the middle of the floor and then
> decides to go to bed, would it be a 'punishment' if he got up in the middle
> of the night to go to the bathroom, rubbing his eyes and then tripping over
> the mess he left?  A punishment, or a consequence?  And do you, his parent
> want your child to trip and hurt themselves?  Absolutely not.  You gave
> him instructions.  You told him to keep his
>
> *Map of Missiles/Rockets That Reach Israeli Population Centers and
> International Airport.*
>
> room tidy and reminded him that he has a habit of not wanting to put things
> in order before he goes to bed.  But these are the consequences of
> disobeying the rules, the laws of nature, the laws of the home.  You, the
> parent would hope that your child would now have learned his lesson and will
> now follow the rules of safety and a harmonious home life in the manual you
> gave him of house rules. Others would call it the 'Bible'.
>
> The Bush administration is at this moment working to undermine Israel and
> destroy her.  Because the establishment of a Palestinian State in the
> heartland of Israel would be impossible for Israel to survive.  All of
> Israel's major poulation centers, including her international airport,
>  would be vulnerable from mortar, rocket and missile attacks.
>
> The Bush administration wants to go against the Bible, G-d's word, and
> divvy up Jerusalem and the land of Israel.  Something that G-d said He would
> not tolerate.  Yet Bush & Co. continue to press on, pressuring Israel to
> make more concessions, more good will gestures, more prisoner releases of
> convicted terrorist murderers, before the end of Bush's 8 year term is up,
> in only several weeks time.
>
>
>
>
>
> *                            Egyptain Plague of Hailfire*
>
> Pharoah also tried to crush the Children of Israel.  He was the one who had
> the hardened heart, yet his whole nation suffered.  Some Egyptians feared
> G-d, and hid their animals inside their homes and barns when the burning
> hail storms came down and demolished their farms.  The Egyptians suffered
> much damage, but still survived to rebuild and recoup.  Do we not see the
> same thing happening in America now? It was hurt, but it too survived, and
> will hobble along re-building from this latest plague.
>
> *                               Ike's Aftermath*
>
> Yes, in G-d fearing people's eyes, Gustav and Ike, the exodus of 3 million
> people, the devastation and havoc, was similar to one of the plagues of
> Egypt.  I am not at all happy about this.  The American people are a good
> people.  I would imagine it would be more just to see the Islamic TERROR
> regimes suffer.  But I do not claim to know all of G-d's ways or His
> accounting.  Perhaps troubles befall the Jews and now the Americans because
> G-d cares enough to straighten us out, where as He has less interest in
> disciplining  the more evil ones?  I am at a loss.  However, one thing I do
> I believe, and that is,  if this part of history were happening before the
> Torah was given,  it would have made it in as one of the stories of the
> Bible.  Perhaps it would have gone something like this:
>
> *"And King Bush, prince of the Western World continued to make the lives
> of the Children of Israel very bitter.  He lured the corrupt Kings of Israel
> to the peace table promising riches and open markets and peace.  But the
> price was the Land of Israel to be given to the sons of Ishmael. And The
> Holy One, Blessed Be He, made a great wind to blow over the seas over the
> southern region which belonged to King Bush.*
>
>
>
>
>
> *And a wall of water and great winds crashed into the homes and great
> cities of the King.  But he would not hearken to the word of the L-rd.  And
> another great storm came on the heels of the first, displacing millions of
> people, and still King Bush did not hearken.  And another wall came down,
> this time in their financial sector which they called Wall Street.  And the
> great institutions that were housed there fell, leaving the population to
> carry the debts of silver and gold*.
>
>
>
> *And a great financial woe settled on this land, and the people cried."?.*
>
>
>  www.IsraelNationalNews.com <http://www.israelnationalnews.com/>
> (c) Copyright IsraelNationalNews.com
> Subscribe to the free Daily Israel Report - sub.israelnn.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Sun Sep 21 10:05:19 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:05:19 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] R. Greenbaum live now, join now!
Message-ID: <200809211505.m8LF5Ihh023828@mail207c25.carrierzone.com>

Hey Gang,

Join the live class by Rabbi Greenbaum, starting NOW, at: 
http://www.azamra.org/.      Click on "Join class" on top of the home 
page. I believe R. Greenbaum has a special calling re the 
regathering.  Join now, and listen, Shema Israel!!

Steve



From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 21 10:25:46 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:25:46 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] "The Plagues of America"
In-Reply-To: <855590370809190503u77fae334i59daf918a6b072f9@mail.gmail.com><BLU125-DS34FD2DE2CFDA62D2DCFEDBA480@phx.gbl>
	<855590370809210745i2bc3bf1al9796f878f02c4e18@mail.gmail.com>
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	<855590370809210745i2bc3bf1al9796f878f02c4e18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU125-DS7BD4DAA1BA5301D11C28EBA480@phx.gbl>

I hope so too.  May HaShem open ears to hear and eyes to see, and turn hearts to love and follow Him, and may it begin with me.


From: Hanoch Young 
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:45 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] "The Plagues of America"


Hey Pat - 

    You're welcome, and I think you may be on to something.  I DO think that HaShem has had a 'special relationship' of some kind with America.  Whether there is still time to change (for America, that is..), remains to be seen.  But let's try to look at it as a half FULL glass, and that HE is indeed trying to reach Americans.  I hope so....

              Hanoch


On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Pat Robbins <patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote:

  Hanoch, thank you for this.  It really makes you stop and think.  Our chosen leaders' policies (especially in regard to Israel) bring consequences upon their nations.  I believe Tamar is right when she says that perhaps G-d is dealing with America this way because He loves her and is trying to reach her people.  ~ Pat


  From: Hanoch Young 
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 8:03 AM
  To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
  Subject: [Dialogue] "The Plagues of America"





  The Plagues Of America?
  %Date%by by from "The Tamar Yonah Show" - Tamar Yonah
  (IsraelNN.com) When we learn about the plagues of Egypt, do we get angry at the person who is teaching us this biblical history?  Most of us would say no.  It is in this vein that I wish to point your attention to the massive plagues that seem to be happening in the United States. ...And don't be angry at me that I am asking you to consider this.

        (Below: Mass Exodus Fom Hurricane Ike)

  In the last two hurricanes that slammed into the U.S., we have seen a true-blue exodus  take place of 3 million people.  Two million running from Gustav and another one million from Ike.  If you are not aware, three million people is close to half the population of Israel!  Can you imagine HALF of the population of Israel having to flee their homes in an exodus like what took place in the USA?

  As G-d fearing people, we know that G-d controls everything in this world.  Nothing happens without His allowing it to happen.  This does not mean that I believe in a cruel mean G-d that sits up in heaven and throws lightening bolts in anger against mankind below.  Not at all!  I believe that G-d created us, loves us, and wants us to follow His ways, to cling to Him, and to grow from the challenges we face.  I believe He wants us to make the proper choices in life so that we can take this world and make it better after being here.  If we make the wrong choices, if we chose to do evil, then it's not just a punishment, per se, rather, a CONSEQUENCE.

  Imagine that you are a parent.  If one of your children does not clean his room, throwing his books and shoes in the middle of the floor and then decides to go to bed, would it be a 'punishment' if he got up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, rubbing his eyes and then tripping over the mess he left?  A punishment, or a consequence?  And do you, his parent want your child to trip and hurt themselves?  Absolutely not.  You gave him instructions.  You told him to keep his 

  Map of Missiles/Rockets That Reach Israeli Population Centers and International Airport.

  room tidy and reminded him that he has a habit of not wanting to put things in order before he goes to bed.  But these are the consequences of disobeying the rules, the laws of nature, the laws of the home.  You, the parent would hope that your child would now have learned his lesson and will now follow the rules of safety and a harmonious home life in the manual you gave him of house rules. Others would call it the 'Bible'.

  The Bush administration is at this moment working to undermine Israel and destroy her.  Because the establishment of a Palestinian State in the heartland of Israel would be impossible for Israel to survive.  All of Israel's major poulation centers, including her international airport,  would be vulnerable from mortar, rocket and missile attacks.  

  The Bush administration wants to go against the Bible, G-d's word, and divvy up Jerusalem and the land of Israel.  Something that G-d said He would not tolerate.  Yet Bush & Co. continue to press on, pressuring Israel to make more concessions, more good will gestures, more prisoner releases of convicted terrorist murderers, before the end of Bush's 8 year term is up, in only several weeks time.



     

                              Egyptain Plague of Hailfire

  Pharoah also tried to crush the Children of Israel.  He was the one who had the hardened heart, yet his whole nation suffered.  Some Egyptians feared G-d, and hid their animals inside their homes and barns when the burning hail storms came down and demolished their farms.  The Egyptians suffered much damage, but still survived to rebuild and recoup.  Do we not see the same thing happening in America now? It was hurt, but it too survived, and will hobble along re-building from this latest plague. 



                                 Ike's Aftermath

  Yes, in G-d fearing people's eyes, Gustav and Ike, the exodus of 3 million people, the devastation and havoc, was similar to one of the plagues of Egypt.  I am not at all happy about this.  The American people are a good people.  I would imagine it would be more just to see the Islamic TERROR regimes suffer.  But I do not claim to know all of G-d's ways or His accounting.  Perhaps troubles befall the Jews and now the Americans because G-d cares enough to straighten us out, where as He has less interest in disciplining  the more evil ones?  I am at a loss.  However, one thing I do I believe, and that is,  if this part of history were happening before the Torah was given,  it would have made it in as one of the stories of the Bible.  Perhaps it would have gone something like this:

  "And King Bush, prince of the Western World continued to make the lives of the Children of Israel very bitter.  He lured the corrupt Kings of Israel to the peace table promising riches and open markets and peace.  But the price was the Land of Israel to be given to the sons of Ishmael. And The Holy One, Blessed Be He, made a great wind to blow over the seas over the southern region which belonged to King Bush.  



         

  And a wall of water and great winds crashed into the homes and great cities of the King.  But he would not hearken to the word of the L-rd.  And another great storm came on the heels of the first, displacing millions of people, and still King Bush did not hearken.  And another wall came down, this time in their financial sector which they called Wall Street.  And the great institutions that were housed there fell, leaving the population to carry the debts of silver and gold.  

         

  And a great financial woe settled on this land, and the people cried."?.



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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 10:59:15 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:59:15 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Thought provoking article
Message-ID: <855590370809210859r1f82eaeauff76c813d96b64a2@mail.gmail.com>

Balance
By HaRav Ariel Bar Tzadok. Copyright (c) 2008 by Ariel Bar Tzadok. All
rights reserved.     In visions of the night and in contemplations by day; I
heard images and saw words. The following best expresses what the
intellectual mind cannot see without the inner eye.

It is time to again be blunt. Time to awaken from sleep, or perhaps to go to
sleep and dream. I'll let you decide.

How weighed down are you? How much of the pressures of life do you carry
with you at every moment?

Have you forgotten the dreams of your youth? Have you dismissed them as
childhood fantasies not worthy of adult consideration?

Do you live each day just to die tomorrow? Do you have more to live for,
than just to get through the day to face a similar tomorrow?

What do you live for? What purpose do you have? What is your destiny? What
if anything are you all about?

If you were to die tomorrow not knowing the answers to these questions and
not having lived them, then how can it be said that your life had any
purpose?

How can you stand before you Maker and say that you have accomplished your
mission?

Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die is the motto of a slave. The
free person says that I live for a purpose, that I search each day to find
my destiny; that I move forward through life on my quest.

I am guided by Heaven to accomplish. What is the nature of my
accomplishments, only Heaven knows.

I seek daily only to surrender to Heaven. In my surrender to Heaven do I
find my place on Earth. I may eat, drink and be merry, but not to die
tomorrow. For tomorrow I live and I will live forever more in the service of
Heaven, be it in this world or any other.

Balancing Heaven and Earth is no easy task. The great scales can easily be
tilted one way or the other. Yet, whatever way the tilt, imbalance in
created.

Balance must be achieved. Heaven and the spiritual; Earth and the physical
must be equally balanced and thus brought into harmony. This is our purpose
here on Earth. This is the Way of Torah and the destiny of our souls.

Torah was put into words so that we pass them down from generation to
generation. Yet, their message and meaning is written all around us.

One can see Torah in the way water flows, the way fire burns and the way the
winds blow. Indeed, one can see Torah even in the Earth itself, in the ways
of the rock, the tree and the land.

Our Sages taught us long ago that our Creator gazed within the Torah and
thus created the world. Thus the world is in the Torah and the Torah is in
the world. Seek it, look for it and indeed the open eye and the open heart
shall see it in the open mind.

We have slept for all too long. It is time to awaken so that we may dream
again. Our dreams lift our hearts to Heaven.

In Heaven our hearts see what our minds cannot. In Heaven our hearts open
the inner eye and enable us to see that which here on Earth is invisible.
Thus we awaken to dream, and dream to be awakened. There is no other way to
balance the great scales that stand before us.

Return, return to Heaven sleeper on Earth! Awaken from your nightmare and
dream again the dream of youth! Return to the great Mother who gave birth to
our souls. She is our Torah; the Creator is our Father. Together our
Heavenly "parents" gave birth to us to be like them.

When we serve Heaven we embrace our Father. When we live by Torah we embrace
our Mother. We are their children. We should be faithful to who we are and
what we are meant to be.

Contemplate well what I share with you now. Dream again. Only the awakened
sleeper can again dream and touch Heaven. Only the awakened sleeper can
bring the dream down to Earth and thus balance the scales.

Only in this way is Torah established and Heaven and Earth brought into
alignment and peace. This is the great judgment.

Embrace Heaven with your right and Earth with your left. Stand in the middle
and you will know the truth of the beautiful heart. In this way will the
foundation be laid for the establishment of the Kingdom of Heaven upon the
Earth.

Contemplate this with wisdom and you will gain understanding. In this will
come both victory and glory. When all is complete the crown shall be placed
upon the head of the King. This is our collective destiny.

The time is now, the place is here; the person is you! Awaken sleeper! Dream
and establish! Blessed is the one who says and does!

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Shalom, Ariel Bar Tzadok
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From rndavar at aol.com  Sun Sep 21 12:09:38 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (Ross Nichols)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:09:38 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] The Parable of the Vine/Vineyard
Message-ID: <2130875244-1222016982-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1051194860-@bxe130.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I hope that many of you will be able to catch this week's Sunday Shul tonight.

The subject of my class is the Vine and Vineyard. I feel that the message is one of incredible importance.

Points for this week's class come from the sayings of Yeshua, the Prophet Isaiah and one that is called by the writer of Matthew's gospel-"the Prophet". This mysterious figure, was fond of parables and was a celebrated singer in Ancient Israel. 

He sings of the vine in one of his songs. We have the lyrics, preserved for us in the Hebrew Bible.

I may even have special music tonight that ties in with the subject matter.

Shalom, Ross
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 12:18:22 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:18:22 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, more of Judah is waking up...
Message-ID: <855590370809211018m62b9e57au87d7a7a49e2e4aef@mail.gmail.com>

*New Brazilian Rosh HaShanah Book* by IsraelNN Staff

Sephardic Jews living in northern Brazil's Amazon region have reason to
celebrate with the publication of the first Rosh Hashanah Machzor (New Year
prayer-book) which incorporates their unique liturgy and customs.

The Machzor will benefit other Portuguese-speaking Sephardic Jewish
communities as well as Bnai Anousim (people whose ancestors were compelled
to convert to Catholicism at the time of the Inquisition, whom historians
refer to as "Marranos") throughout Brazil and Portugal.

The Machzor, called "Ner Rosh Hashanah", was prepared and edited by Rabbi
Moyses Elmescany and Cantor David Salgado, and includes the traditional
Hebrew text of the Jewish New Year prayer services, together with both a
transliteration and translation into Portuguese.

It was published with the support and assistance of Shavei
Israel<http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0XC13DA13A88BCDCBF52C804523E338B3B8004E67486630C86EA4026688AF121C462748FF6DBACEA3F8C92F90A338F24814979C777E7C0C920B056B0C882B44C4E.htm>,
a Jerusalem-based group that assists small Jewish communities, as well as
"lost Jews," those with Jewish roots seeking to return to the Jewish people.

"This Machzor is really the first of its kind," said Salgado, who moved to
Israel from northern Brazil together with his wife and children. "It will
enable Portuguese-speaking Jews who use Nusach Sepharadi (the Sephardic
rite) to better recite and understand the meaning and significance of the
New Year prayers."

Salgado noted that the Machzor reflects the texts and customs used by
Moroccan Jewish communities, but with a special twist.
Until today, Brazil's Jews of the Amazon are still using the same Nusach
from Morocco in the 19th century.

"This Nusach is the one that was brought to Brazil's Amazon region by the
first Moroccan Jewish immigrants, who arrived there nearly two centuries
ago," he said. "And until today, Brazil's Jews of the Amazon are still using
the same rite and following the same customs as they were practiced in
Morocco in the 19th century."

"We are happy to partner with Rabbi Elmescany and Chazan Salgado to
facilitate the publication of this special Machzor for Rosh Hashanah," said
Shavei Israel Chairman Michael Freund, adding, "We hope that it will help to
preserve the unique Jewish practices and rituals of Brazil's Amazon area, as
well as strengthen Portuguese-speaking Jewish communities worldwide."

In its initial run, the Machzor was published primarily for the use of the
Jewish communities of Belem and Manaus in Brazil, which are home to 450
families and 220 families respectively. But both Freund and Salgado say they
hope that other Portuguese-speaking Sephardic communities will benefit from
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 19:24:07 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:24:07 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Will you think of them this Rosh Hashana? Please
	circulate...
Message-ID: <855590370809211724h3670ec6er1fdc1783d093c9dc@mail.gmail.com>

[image: http://Default.aspx] <mip://02ea3d98/Default.aspx> In the days
preceeding Rosh Hashana
B'Ahavat Yisrael volunteers and staff will be traveling around Israel
delivering gift packages to our unsung heroes, the brave and grossly
under paid security guards at schools, malls, banks, etc. Almost all of
them earn minimum wage without any benefits. Many are retirees
without pensions. Over the years many guards have been murdered and
maimed. Each one takes his/her life in his/her hands every hour on the job.
They do it for the equivalent of $5.50 per hour. This year let's show
them that they are appreciated.


Each package is generously filled
with honey, sweet red wine,
honey cake, and chocolates.

All items are made in Israel.


PRICE: $36 PER PACKAGE

Click here <http://www.bahavatyisrael.org.il/RoshHashanah.asp?Camp=Security>to
donate

Sderot Packages<http://www.bahavatyisrael.org.il/RoshHashanah.asp?Camp=Sderot>|
Security
Guard Packages<http://www.bahavatyisrael.org.il/RoshHashanah.asp?Camp=Security>

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sun Sep 21 21:18:00 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:18:00 -0500
Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] FW: PRAY FOR AMY]
In-Reply-To: <48D59003.3090308@westnet.com.au>
References: <48D59003.3090308@westnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <A48048CA4A5542619C3F1A01A1DD7B51@bettylaptop>

Thank you so much, Joe for your prayers for my Amy.  Her breathing is better
and they are moving into an apartment tomorrow.  She did have to go back to
the ER yesterday and will follow up with her doctor tomorrow if she is not
better.  My heart goes out to her and to all those who are sick and have
suffered such devastating losses due to the hurricane.  It seems like the
world just continues on.which is both good and bad. we do have to go on, but
we need to remember those who have suffered immense loss.having been there,
it brings back some very strong memories.

 

Shavua tov,

 

Elisheva/Betty

 

 

 

  _____  

From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:06 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] FW: PRAY FOR AMY]

 

Shavua Tov Elisheva,

I am distraught to hear about the news regarding Amy. Her predicament has
been extremely overwhelming and taxing emotionally and physically. May
HaShem strengthen her spirit and resolve together with all the people that
have had personal loss and damage due to hurricanes of the past month. May
HaShem  comfort those that are grieving the loss of their loved ones. May He
piece together their shattered lives.

On a sombre note I am appreciative that no one from the list was injured or
lost. However let us pray for those that have suffered damage and loss of
property. For the moment the plight of many is still unfolding. I am sure
that in time we will hear about miraculous circumstances and about the
heroic deeds of individuals who put their lives in danger to save their
neighbours. 

May our hearts and prayers go out to all the residents of Louisiana and
Texas especially, who bore the brunt of the storms.

So pleased to hear that Kim is fine.

Shalom v' Ahavah
JOE.

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Sun Sep 21 21:34:57 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] PLEASE PRAY FOR BETH!!
Message-ID: <113E1F56F4614EE4AD6C30614A99F96D@bettylaptop>

I know that only a few days ago, I asked for prayer for my youngest
daughter, Amy as she ended up in the ER due to breathing problems. I sent
out an update so won't repeat myself, but thanks to all of you who prayed
for her.  I am not even sure who received the email as I only received one
response back.  Hopefully you did get it and will get this one as well.

 

With so much going on about us with the storms and Rosh HaShanah right
around the corner and all that is going on in Israel, some might think my
prayer request insignificant.but you are my family, and as family we care
for one another, so I am asking you to please pray fervently for my daughter
Beth as she is finding herself in a desperate situation.

 

She is recently divorced, has 6 children and her house is scheduled to close
this week sometime.if it doesn't, it will go into foreclosure because her
not so nice ex husband just stopped paying the mortgage payments long before
the divorce was final.  Her real estate atty has kept it out of foreclosure
since May.  .  The city of Keller is supposed to be purchasing it, but it
has been one delay after another; and now that it is down to the wire, she
is really getting scared.if it doesn't close, she will be destitute. She has
been a stay at home Mom, home schooling all 6 of her children, which is
admirable, but has left her with no experience in the job market.   I am not
going to go into the personal details.that is enough.just please, please
pray!  She is so deserving of a break, as are her kids.

 

Thanks so much,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

 

 

 

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From tposborne77 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 21 21:42:13 2008
From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:42:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] PLEASE PRAY FOR BETH!!
Message-ID: <586678.26267.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Lynn and I are beseeching Our Father on the behalf of Beth and the children.

Tracy



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From: Betty Givin bkgivin at charter.net
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:34:57 PM
Subject: [Dialogue] PLEASE PRAY FOR BETH!!


I know that only a few days ago, I asked for prayer for my youngest daughter, Amy as she ended up in the ER due to breathing problems. I sent out an update so won?t repeat myself, but thanks to all of you who prayed for her.? I am not even sure who received the email as I only received one response back.? Hopefully you did get it and will get this one as well.
?
With so much going on about us with the storms and Rosh HaShanah right around the corner and all that is going on in Israel, some might think my prayer request insignificant?but you are my family, and as family we care for one another, so I am asking you to please pray fervently for my daughter Beth as she is finding herself in a desperate situation.
?
She is recently divorced, has 6 children and her house is scheduled to close this week sometime?if it doesn?t, it will go into foreclosure because her not so nice ex husband just stopped paying the mortgage payments long before the divorce was final. ?Her real estate atty has kept it out of foreclosure since May.? .? The city of Keller is supposed to be purchasing it, but it has been one delay after another; and now that it is down to the wire, she is really getting scared?if it doesn?t close, she will be destitute. She has been a stay at home Mom, home schooling all 6 of her children, which is admirable, but has left her with no experience in the job market.? ?I am not going to go into the personal details?that is enough?just please, please pray!? She is so deserving of a break, as are her kids?
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Thanks so much,
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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Mon Sep 22 01:31:52 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:31:52 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] The list, Brian, the bums and our responsibility
Message-ID: <200809220631.m8M6Vl99009271@mail207c25.carrierzone.com>

Friends,

Am writing to alert you to one more disaster, that we may not all be 
cognizant of.  It concerns one of our members, whose work we all 
depend on, yet know not much about.  This list, as well as other 
important websites of concern to us, are carried on a computer system 
and program managed by Brian Jones.  Just before Ike came around, the 
outfit from whom he has to purchase the license to use the program 
that carries this list, has raised the price ten-fold (!). Yes, that 
is TEN-FOLD.  This was not a $29.00 program, it used to cost about 
$200 per year. Not only that, but his computer is beyond repair and 
needs to be replaced.  He would never ask you all to contribute 
anything to the cost of his service, and he has not done so. This was 
reasonable while the price of the program was one tenth of what it is 
now.  However, unreasonability rules the world as we speak.

If you value this list, am asking you all to contribute something 
toward offsetting this humongous price increase for this year.  It is 
only fitting that we bear part of the burden. After all, the bums did 
it to us all as well.....   If we all pitched in a little, we can 
help to offset this outrageous gouging....  there is no need to reply 
to this note.  We can just respond.

To contribute, use this link is from one of his websites:

http://electricscribe.com/ES-Gifts.html

Gratefully,

Steve
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 08:32:44 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:32:44 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] The list, Brian, the bums and our responsibility
In-Reply-To: <200809220631.m8M6Vl99009271@mail207c25.carrierzone.com>
References: <200809220631.m8M6Vl99009271@mail207c25.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <855590370809220632j72d2376axac38296cedf5fe56@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Steve,

    Thanks for this very important note...Brian does so much for all of us,
we should definitely contribute!  Thanks!
                       * Hanoch
*
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com>wrote:

> Friends,
>
> Am writing to alert you to one more disaster, that we may not all be
> cognizant of.  It concerns one of our members, whose work we all depend on,
> yet know not much about.  This list, as well as other important websites of
> concern to us, are carried on a computer system and program managed by Brian
> Jones.  Just before Ike came around, the outfit from whom he has to purchase
> the license to use the program that carries this list, has raised the price
> ten-fold (!). Yes, that is TEN-FOLD.  This was not a $29.00 program, it *used
> *to cost about $200 per year. Not only that, but his computer is beyond
> repair and needs to be replaced.  He would never ask you all to contribute
> anything to the cost of his service, and he has not done so. This was
> reasonable while the price of the program was one tenth of what it is now.
> However, unreasonability rules the world as we speak.
>
> If you value this list, am asking you all to contribute something toward
> offsetting this humongous price increase for this year.  *It is only
> fitting that we bear part of the burden.* After all, the bums did it to us
> all as well.....   If we all pitched in a little, we can help to offset this
> outrageous gouging....  there is no need to reply to this note.  We can just
> respond.
>
> To contribute, use this link is from one of his websites:
>
> http://electricscribe.com/ES-Gifts.html
>
> Gratefully,
>
> Steve
>
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Mon Sep 22 08:39:34 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:39:34 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] The list, Brian, the bums and our responsibility
In-Reply-To: <200809220631.m8M6Vl99009271@mail207c25.carrierzone.com>
References: <200809220631.m8M6Vl99009271@mail207c25.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <BLU125-DS22BE516CE26F5332D2307BA4B0@phx.gbl>

THANK YOU, STEVE!  

Brian has been such a blessing to so many (without their ever knowing what he has done for them) throughout the years.  It is our honor and privilege to be able to help him in his service to The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel with our donations, not to mention our prayers!  We are all being GOUGED by these unprincipled "business men" who have raised the price of our connection to one another by tenfold, simply because they CAN do so and get away with it!!!!!

I have sent a donation this morning to our Cause, http://electricscribe.com/ES-Gifts.html and so hope all our brothers and sisters who possible can, will do the same.

Avigail/Pat

  


From: Steve Mathe 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:31 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
Subject: [Dialogue] The list, Brian, the bums and our responsibility


Friends, 

Am writing to alert you to one more disaster, that we may not all be cognizant of.  It concerns one of our members, whose work we all depend on, yet know not much about.  This list, as well as other important websites of concern to us, are carried on a computer system and program managed by Brian Jones.  Just before Ike came around, the outfit from whom he has to purchase the license to use the program that carries this list, has raised the price ten-fold (!). Yes, that is TEN-FOLD.  This was not a $29.00 program, it used to cost about $200 per year. Not only that, but his computer is beyond repair and needs to be replaced.  He would never ask you all to contribute anything to the cost of his service, and he has not done so. This was reasonable while the price of the program was one tenth of what it is now.  However, unreasonability rules the world as we speak.   

If you value this list, am asking you all to contribute something toward offsetting this humongous price increase for this year.  It is only fitting that we bear part of the burden. After all, the bums did it to us all as well.....   If we all pitched in a little, we can help to offset this outrageous gouging....  there is no need to reply to this note.  We can just respond. 

To contribute, use this link is from one of his websites:

http://electricscribe.com/ES-Gifts.html

Gratefully, 

Steve



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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 10:46:52 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:46:52 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] A fun story...
Message-ID: <855590370809220846o5907297ax171c36b283a6ab50@mail.gmail.com>

He's been one of my favorite actors since his amazing role in "An Officer
and a Gentleman" - an interesting story...

                        *Hanoch*

[image: Louis Gossett]Actor Louis Gossett Jr. Gives Shabbat Sermon
By Aaron Leibel August 26, 2008, The Canadian Jewish News

When this reporter spelled his last name for Louis Gossett Jr.'s publicist
last week, she began laughing. "Leibele is his Yiddish name," she said.

Lou Gossett Jr. has a Yiddish name?

It's true, confirmed the African American actor, who couldn't recall the
origins of his nickname.
"Maybe it's because I used to take off Jewish holidays" from school, quipped
Gossett, who delivered the Shabbat morning sermon in late August at Ohev
Sholom ? The National Synagogue in Washington, D.C., discussing his
connection to Jews and Judaism and his nonprofit, The Eracism Foundation (
www.eracismfoundation.org).

Gossett, 72, grew up in the Coney Island area of Brooklyn, N.Y., where many
of his neighbours were Jews.

His warm relations with them and the sense of community they shared were "a
beautiful thing," he said in a phone interview from Kenya, where he was
slated to go on Safari the following day. (He began the interview by saying,
"Boker tov," Hebrew for good morning, and ended it with "Erev tov," good
evening.)

"If my parents were late, I had the choice of [eating] gefilte fish or
sauerbraten" at a neighbour's house, he said.

Gossett said his experiences as a youngster in Brooklyn provided the
"nurturing" that helped him succeed. And with his foundation, which he began
in 2006 to fight racism through education, programs that foster cultural
diversity and anti-violence initiatives, he hopes to initiate programs for
kids that will re-create the values he learned.

He wants to help young people in the most distressed areas combat racism,
sexism and violence. "I want to protect them against the evil of the
streets," he said.

He wants them to learn "self-respect, so they know where they come from and
what is expected of them, respect for the opposite sex, respect for their
elders."

Gossett was enthusiastic about his appearance at Ohev Sholom and about the
shul's spiritual leader. "Rabbi Shmuel [Herzfeld] has adopted me," he said.
"I love him."

Rabbi Herzfeld shares those warm feelings. He heard Gossett speak at the
Conference on Race and Reconciliation at the National Press Club in
Washington in July.

"I was very impressed by how he spoke and how his relationship with Jews has
inspired him to want to make a difference in the lives of inner city youth,"
Rabbi Herzfeld said.

After hosting the award-winning actor for Shabbat, the rabbi invited him to
speak. Gossett is not the first African American to speak at the synagogue,
but may be the first to deliver the Saturday morning sermon.

"It's a wonderful opportunity to see a person who was given a gift to be a
good actor, but is utilizing his gift to better the world," Rabbi Herzfeld
said.

President of his senior class at Abraham Lincoln High School, Gossett got
his start in acting when a Jewish English teacher, Gustave Blum, who had
been a Broadway director, encouraged him to try out for the Broadway
production of Take a Giant Step. He got the part at age 17.

Gossett's acting career has included dozens of roles in movies, TV and
onstage, most notable of which were his Emmy-winning portrayal of Fiddler in
the TV series Roots; the sergeant in An Officer and a Gentleman, for which
he received an Academy Award; and his Golden Globe-winning work in the TV
film, The Josephine Baker Story.

Currently, he is starring in Stargate SG-1, a series on the Sci-Fi cable
channel. At the end of August, he also appeared in the HBO documentary The
Black List, which will present portraits of 20 influential African
Americans.

The actor's Jewish links extend into adulthood. He became interested in the
role that black American soldiers had played in freeing Jews from
concentration camps during the Holocaust, hosting reunions between survivors
and rescuers in New York City in the 1990s. He also narrated, with Denzel
Washington, The Liberators, a documentary on the subject.
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From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:56:56 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Covers interesting points on Bnai Anusim - descendents
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[image: Caitlin Bromberg]The Spiritual Quest of a "Jewish Soul"
By Lois Goldrich, July 2008, The New Jersey Jewish Standard

Cantor Caitlin Bromberg has had an interesting journey.

Not only did the new chazzan at Temple Israel & Jewish Community Center in
Ridgewood move here in July from Albuquerque, New Mexico, but the former
Caitlin O'Sullivan ?whose conversion service was featured in a 1981 Moment
magazine article on Jews by choice ? has moved closer to what she called her
"destiny," combining a love of Judaism with a passion for music.

"I was one of the first to do a public conversion ceremony in Manhattan,"
she said, explaining that the service reflected the view of the late Rabbi
Alexander Schindler, then leader of the Reform movement, that conversions
should be celebrated like other major life-cycle events.

"I sang during the service," she said, and shortly afterwards she received
an invitation to officiate at High Holiday services at a small Reform
congregation. "Even then I was thinking about [the cantorate]," she said.

Raised in San Diego, Calif., Bromberg received her ordination from the H.L.
Miller Cantorial School of The Jewish Theological Seminary in 2000 and chose
to begin her new professional life in the southwest.

After four years at a congregation in El Paso, Texas, she moved to
Albuquerque's B'nai Israel, the only Conservative congregation in New
Mexico, which she served for an additional four years. Each city has a
Jewish population of about 5,000, but, she pointed out, "it is difficult to
determine the exact number of Jews in southwestern cities because of their
high level of assimilation and lack of affiliation."

While in El Paso, Bromberg worked with members of the converso community,
helping to staff an outreach program created by Conservative Rabbi Stephen
Leon (formerly of the Elmwood Park Jewish Center), who, she said, has made
it his mission "to bring crypto-Jews back to Judaism."

The term "crypto-Jews" refers to those Spanish and Portuguese Jews who
ostensibly converted to Catholicism at about the time of the Spanish Edict
of Expulsion in 1492, but secretly maintained their religious traditions.

At the time she left the city for her new pulpit, Leon had already
established contact with dozens of converso families. His congregation was
well-placed, Bromberg said, to operate the program, since it contains a
sizable segment of Mexican Jews, with whom the conversos feel comfortable.

"It was a fascinating part of my years in El Paso," she said, noting that
there are more declared crypto-Jews in El Paso than in Albuquerque, where
they are "still hidden, not ready to come forward."

She cited the work of historian Dr. Stanley Hordes, of the University of New
Mexico, who holds that there were several crypto-Jews ? fleeing
inquisitorial persecution in Spain, Portugal, and Mexico ?among the early
European settlers of New Mexico in the 16th and 17th centuries. While many
of their descendants have lost all knowledge of their Jewish past, others
either are aware of their heritage or still practice vestigial Jewish
customs, such as lighting candles on Friday night, refraining from eating
pork, etc., without knowing why.

"Some of the old families have been there for more than 500 years," she
said. "Their names are different, and while they do not understand Ladino,
they speak an older dialect of Spanish, not Mexican Spanish."

Bromberg said she made some personal connections with members of the
converso community, developing additional pieces of the outreach project and
participating in monthly trilingual services conducted in Hebrew, English,
and Spanish. In addition, she worked with a number of people following their
conversion to Judaism.

"I knew enough Spanish to connect with them," she said, pointing out that
her fluency in reading and singing in Spanish "added something to the
monthly services."

On July 7, Bromberg led her first Shabbat service as cantor of Temple
Israel, a congregation she has come to know well since the beginning of the
interview process.

"By the time I came, I knew a lot of people," she said, noting that this has
helped her integrate very quickly into the life of the congregation.

She added that while B'nai Israel in Albuquerque is not much different in
size from Temple Israel, "the character of the congregations is quite
different."

"Temple Israel [which has about 300 families] feels like 500 families, like
a bigger community," she said.

"While synagogue ritual is pretty much the same, [out west] there is less
Judaism outside the synagogue." Here, she said, "there is an intact Jewish
culture. People will approach you at services and ask if you have a place to
go for meals. There's a sense of providing hospitality in a hands-on way ?
not just expressing the concept."

"This is what I was looking for," she added, noting that she is also pleased
to be closer to "one of the greatest music centers in the western world.
There are even a lot of talented musicians right in the congregation. I want
to cultivate a congregational culture incorporating that talent," she said.

Bromberg said she became interested in Judaism at age 12 after her family
began to pull away from the Catholic Church. She began by reading one Jewish
book after another.

"I was devastated by the stories of the Holocaust, inspired by the narrative
of the founding of the State of Israel, and intrigued by the references to
Jewish thought and belief," she said.

When she did attend church, she said, "I would only say the prayers that
acknowledged God alone and was silent during the other liturgy. My family
was embarrassed by that, but treated it as a somewhat intellectual form of
teenage rebellion."

Moving to New York after college, with a degree in theater, she continued to
explore her interest in Judaism, ultimately making the decision to convert.
While she was then dating a Jewish man, she said, "I wanted to make my
decision about Judaism independently of the pressure of an impending
wedding, because if I converted I wanted it to be a life decision that would
work for me regardless of my marital status."

"My family was not surprised, and both my parents traveled to New York from
California to attend the Saturday morning service at which I formally
accepted Judaism," said Bromberg who is now divorced; her 21-year-old son,
Rafi, is attending college in Albuquerque, studying acting and singing.

Five years after her conversion, growing increasingly interested "in what
traditional forms of Judaism had to offer," Bromberg completed an Orthodox
conversion at the Young Israel of Boro Park, living as an Orthodox Jew for
several years. Subsequently, she found herself "moving toward the middle
road" in Judaism, which culminated in her decision to become a Conservative
cantor.

Bromberg converted at age 26, started cantorial school at 38, and became a
cantor at 45. She said that during the course of her studies, she
encountered rabbinic texts about Jewish souls lost to the Jewish people and
inhabiting the bodies of non-Jews.

"For such people, conversion is a process of discovering their true nature,
rather than changing. I had always felt that way," she said.

While Temple Israel has yet to find a new rabbi ? Rabbi Gil Steinlauf
recently left the congregation to take a pulpit in Washington, D.C., and an
interim rabbi will serve the congregation during its rabbinic search ?
Bromberg pointed out that the congregation contains "many literate daveners
and well-educated Torah readers" who can help out ? one of the things that
first attracted her to the job.

"I'd like to help the congregation explore with the interim rabbi who they
are as a congregation so that the rabbi ultimately chosen will really
reflect the community," she said. "It's a great community to serve. I want
to help the synagogue grow, not just in numbers but in terms of influence
and importance to the community."
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:00:12 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Short but sweet film on Rosh HaShana
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:16:01 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Imprisoned Texas Border Patrol Agents
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There are two Texas Border Patrol Agents, "Nacho" Ramos and Jose Compean who have been imprisoned for doing their jobs.  These are both hard-working family men, and from what I've read, are both innocent of wrongdoing.  If anyone has information to the contrary, I would very much appreciate hearing it.  I've been getting news concerning their plight for some time now, and have followed one particular website's advise in trying to help them, but wanted to pass on their story to the List in case any on it would be willing to add voices to this struggle.

I am copying a letter below from "Nacho's" father-in-law, telling the story of the incident with the drug smuggler they were trying to apprehend, and why they would up in jail, and not the smuggler!  Ramos has been severely beaten by fellow inmates since incarceration, and both men and their families have suffered so much over it.  Their plight appears to be a most shameful footnote in our nation's history.  One of our most basic responsibilities as a Torah observant people is to establish justice in the Earth.  I don't think these men have received justice.

Pat  





December 25, 2006

Honorable Congressman Walter Jones
1105-C Corporate Dr.
Greenville, N. C. 27858-4211


Dear Congressman Jones,

My name is Joe Loya. I am the father- in- law of Border Patrol agent Ignacio 'Nacho' Ramos. He was sentenced on October 22nd 2006 to 11years and one day in federal prison for the wounding of and illegal, admitted drug smuggler from Mexico. His fellow agent, Jose Compean was sentenced to 12 years.

There are plenty of versions of what actually took place when two Border Patrol agents, Ramos and Jose Compean, tried to chase down a drug smuggler in Fabens, Texas, 29 miles east of El Paso. But, unless you were there; unless you were present for the twelve day trial; unless you paid $9,000.00 to read the 3000 pages of transcripts; unless you spoke with their fellow officers; unless you saw the affidavits from jurors who claimed that they were bullied into going along with the conviction, you cannot appreciate the enormity of this outrage. I have spent 20 months and hundreds of hours investigating this case because of the lies of the smuggler, the unethical prosecutos and 2 agents who were given proffer letters, or immunity, in exchange for their testimony against the two agents. Please read my account of what really happened that day and than please, do everything you can to persuade President Bush to issue an immediate pardon to these two fine agents.

What really happened? Basically, two Border Patrol agents, attempting to interrupt a cross-border drug smuggling operation, fired their weapons in self-defense at an admitted illegal alien, drug smuggler, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila. Davila had brought his Ford custom window van across the Rio Grande and driven it five miles into the small town of Fabens which is across the border from San Ysidro, Mexico, the home of the smuggler. Job seeking illegals don't come across illegally in their vehicles.

Electronic sensors had alerted agent Compean, who was patrolling the border when the van came across the river. Compean alerted the other border patrol agents through radio communications. Agent Compean could not pursue because he was on the opposited side of a canal when he spotted the van headed into Fabens. When the van got into town, it was spotted by an agent by the name of Oscar Juarez.

Oscar Juarez was one of the agents given immunity from prosecution because he admitted lying three times on three prior statements during questioning. Agent Ramos was eating lunch at the Border Patrol Station, one mile west of Fabens, when he heard the alert by Compean. He ran out, jumped into his patrol vehicle and drove into town to try to intercept the smuggler. By the time he got there, the van had already been spotted by agent Juarez who was in pursuit. The smuggler had turned around and was headed back to the river. Agent Ramos was now waiting on the farm road that leads back to Mexico.

There is hardly any traffic on this farm road. He joined the pursuit when the smuggler went by and actually got between the smuggler and agent Juarez's unit. The smuggler had every opportunity to surrender but had no intentions of doing so. He was facing many years in prison. Agent Compean had stayed back by the river knowing that the smuggler would surely be coming back. He was waiting on the south edge of a canal where the road comes to a dead end. The smuggler was chased for over three miles of paved road and one mile of dirt road before he jumped out of the moving van and tried to ditch it into the canal. Only the front tires of the van made it into the edge of the canal. The time was a little after one in the afternoon. Visibility was good except for the last mile, The dust created by the vehicles made visibility very poor and Juarez would testify that he had to keep about a ten car distance between his unit and that of Ramos.

The smuggler went into the canal which is approximately 15 feet deep and thirty feet wide. The canal was about three feet deep in water and mud. Agent Compean was waiting on the opposite side or south side of the canal. He was holding his shotgun, pointed up in the air and yelling at the smuggler to stop. By now the agents knew, instinctively, that they were in a very dangerous situation. Ramos had parked about thirty feet behind the smugglers van and was now chasing the smuggler on foot. The smuggler ran straight at Compean who tried to grab him by the shoulder, but lost his footing and fell to the ground. By this time, agent Ramos had gone down into the canal to try to cross and assist Compean. The canal's walls are very steep and hard to climb. The smuggler ran around Compean and started running up the slope and onto the elevated levee road where Compean had parked his border patrol unit. The prosecution would claim that the smuggler was trying to surrender. Compean got up instantly and took off after the smuggler. He caught up with him and managed to bring him down on the opposite side of the elevated levee road where Compean again tried to apprehend the smuggler.

The smuggler managed to get loose and again started running towards Mexico, after throwing and kicking dirt all over Compean. It is then that the smuggler pulls out a shiny object and points it at Compean in a shooting manner. Compean had received cuts to his face and on one hand. Compean was still lying on the ground when he finally pulled out his Baretta and fired at the smuggler in self defense. The smuggler said in his first statement that Compean fired five or six shots. The lying prosecutors would up that number to sixteen shots. None of Compean's shots hit the smuggler. Agent Ramos was climbing out of the canal when he heard the shots. He could not see and could not tell who was firing shots. All he knew was that he had to go to the aid of his fellow agent and ran to the levee to assist. Compean was still on the ground when Ramos got to him. Ramos could not tell if Compean had been shot. The smuggler was running towards the river and Ramos took off after him.

This Is when the smuggler turned and pointed at Ramos with the same shiny object which Ramos took for a gun. Ramos testified that he took one shot and that the smuggler turned and kept running. The smuggler then disappeared into the thick, tall brush along the river. Ramos said that he stopped and and kept watching for the smuggler to come out of the brush. Ramos started walking back to check on Compean who was now walking towards Ramos. Ramos testified that he patted down Compean and asked him if he was OK.

At this point two other agents arrived on the levee road and got off their border patrol unit to assist. All four agents saw the smuggler walk out of the brush, cross the dry river bed and get into a getaway vehicle with two other suspects. They sped off into Mexico. The agents then walked back to the edge of the canal where Supevisor Jonathan Richards and three other agents were searching the van. Three agents, including Compean testified that they told Richards that Compean had been assaulted. Assault on a federal agent carries a mandatory five year prison sentence. Richards failed to call the F.B.I. to come and investigate.

During my investigation, I clocked agent Ramos twice to see how long it took him to get from his vehicle to Compean on the opposite side of the levee. The water level in the canal was the same as the day of this incident. The first run took him forty five seconds and the second one took thirty nine seconds. The agents had to make split second decisions that day. They knew that they were dealing with a dangerous drug smuggler and not with the everyday illegal immigrant. At sentencing in October, Debra Kanof, the prosecutor told the judge that all Mr. Davila wanted to do was go back home to Mexico. "Why didn't they let him go?" she asked. For a year and a half before sentencing, the same prosecutor kept saying that all the smuggler wanted to do was surrender. They told the judge that the agents should have let him go because they did no know what was in the van and that it is not their duty to go after drug smugglers.

This is one of the biggest fabricated lies of the trial that the prosecutors told the jury for two days. The jury evidently believed them. (Agent Ramos had taken part in approximately 100 busts and had never hurt anyone before, despite having been assaulted, injured and fired upon many times.) Agent Compean had also been involved in several dozen drug busts. Juarez had never been involved in any busts. Ramos was a ten year agent, Compean was a five year agent and Juarez had been an agent for a year and a half. Ramos was nominated for agent of the year in 2005 but the U. S. Border Patrol removed his name from nomination after he was indicted.

Davila surfaced again a month later with the help of his life-long friend, Border Patrol agent Rene Sanchez, stationed in Willcox, Arizona. He reported that he had been shot while trying to cross into the United States illegally on foot. He alledged that he was shot in the back as he fled back to Mexico. He alledged the the agents were trying to beat him up. He also claimed that he knew nothing about the van and the marijuana. After he was offered immunity for his crimes in exchange for his testimony against the agents, he admiteed to everything except to having a gun. Davila was also assisted by Homeland Security agent Christopher Sanchez in El Paso, who started an investigation into the case. Somehow, they managed to get Debra Kanof, Chief Prosecutor for Major Crimes with the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Justice Department involved. (How or why someone at this level would want to escalate and aggressively prosecute two outstanding BP agents for administrative policy violations is a whole other story.)

Kanof acted swiftly, handing out immunities to anybody who would testify against Ramos or Compean. She also provided the drug smuggler with free medical attention at William Beaumont Army Hospital in El Paso and free passage back and forth between the U.S. and Mexico, not bad treatment for an illegal alien and known drug smuggler. Kanof alleged that the smuggler was an innocent person who was shot by the agents as he ran away from them, fearing the agents were trying to beat him up.

The details. With Ramos and Compean in hot pursuit of this drug smuggler, Davila was forced to ditch his van loaded with 743 lbs of marijuana. In attempting to escape, Davila assaulted and cut BP agent Jose Alonso Compean and left him on the ground bleeding. While Compean was chasing Davila on foot, Ramos had been trying to catch Davila before he could escape back into Mexico.

Hearing gun shots and calls for help from his fellow agent, Ramos raced to the scene and found Compean on the ground bleeding. He saw Davila racing towards the Rio Grande, about to cross into Mexico and escape.

Agent Ramos began to chase after the smuggler who had just assaulted his fellow officer. Then the smuggler turned and pointed something at Ramos that he believed was a gun. The time was approximately 1:15pm. It was broad daylight. Ramos, fearing for his life and believing that Davila had already been shooting at his fellow officer, took a single shot at the smuggler. At this time, nobody knew that the smuggler had been wounded.

The smuggler turned back towards the border and kept running. He disappeared into the tall, thick brush along the river. Later, Davila was spotted running across the dry river bed and jumping into a waiting vehicle with two other suspects. This was witnessed by four Border Patrol agents, documenting that Davila was not some "innocent" illegal alien, but a bona fide drug smuggling operation. The three smugglers took off and the agents walked back to to the abandoned van where several agents were already searching the van. They discovered the 743 pounds of marijuana.

BP supervisor, Jonathan Richards, who had arrived on the scene, was very angry that the smuggler had gotten away. Richards ordered everyone to report to the station. He also told them to load the 743 lbs of marijuana onto their vehicles and take it to the station.

Richards never went across the canal to investigate the assault or to check on agent Compean. Ramos and another agent, named Yrigoyen later testified they told Richards that Compean had been assaulted. At the station, another agent, Mendez, stated that Compean had cuts on his face and hand. He said this in the presence of Supervisor Richards. This is significant because Richards denied having any knowledge of Compean's injuries. He therefore never notified the F.B.I and there was never an investigation in this case. The agents were convicted on the allegations and lies of the smuggler, the fabricated lies of the prosecutors and the fabricated lies of two agents who were handed proffer letters, (immunity) from prosecution in exchange for their testimony against Ramos and Compean.

The BP supervisor lied on the witness stand, testifying that no one told him Compean had been assaulted, which is his excuse for never notifying the F.B.I. of this fact. The truth is that he offered Compean medical attention and had asked Compean several times if he was OK. The physical evidence was apparent as Compean was cut and covered with dirt. Richard's failure to notify the F.B.I. of the assault is the reason why the case was never investigated.

Because of the supervisor's actions, none of the agent's filled out firearms discharge reports. This administrative policy violation could have gotten them a five day suspension without pay. After checking again on Compean's condition and asking him if he wanted to file assault charges, according to testimony, Richards then made a statement saying, "If we call the F.B.I. we are going to be here all night doing paperwork. We will never know who the person was that assaulted you although we've got the van and the marijuana." After that, everyone went back to work.

The Arrest. In a dramatic display of overkill, the two BP agents, Ramos and Compean, were arrested by SWAT teams, armed with automatic weapons, at their homes. Ramos was roughed up by the arresting officers, even though he obeyed an order to step out of the house. The then placed handcuffs on him and hauled him away; .The did the same to Compean. All of this was done in front of their families, including their young children. Ramos has three boys, ages seven, eleven and thirteen. Compean has an eleven year old daughter, a son, approximately three years old and a three month old baby boy.

They were charged with attempted murder, indicted, placed under house arrest for eight long months; tried and convicted by overzealous, unethical and vicious prosecutors who were certainly not out for justice, but for reasons that, someday, hopefully, will become clear.

During the thirteen months awaiting their trial, Ramos and Compean were offered plea bargains approximately six times. The last offer came five weeks before trial. That offer was for one year in prison and reimbursement to the government for the $35,000 in medical bills for the free treatment of the drug smuggler was given by the U. S. Attorneys in exchange for his lies.

Kanof continued to pile up counts against them until the agents were facing 40 years to life because of the count stacking. They rejected the plea bargain because they knew they were innocent and they had faith in our country's legal system. Had they been guilty, they would have taken those plea bargain offers in a heart beat.

The trial. The prosecutor, Debra Kanof said that all Davila was trying to do was get back home to Mexico. She said the agents never should have chased him, because they did not know what was in the van. (Doesn't spotting a van crossing the Mexican border into the U.S., illegally, count as probably cause to warrant interdiction by the BP?)

The supervisor, clearly under pressure from Major Crimes Prosecutor Kanof, testified that he knew nothing of the pursuit, even though he was one of the first ones to arrive at the scene and had been inspecting the van with several other agents when Ramos, Compean, Yrigoyen and Mendez walked back to the edge of the canal.

At the trial, the drug smuggler claimed that Compean fired 5 or 6 shots at him. During the trial, the prosecution upped that number to 16 shots.

The story Davila told the Justice Department was that he was walking across from Mexico (illegally) when Ramos and Compean tried to beat him up. Although under oath, he changed his story many times during the trial. He finally admitted that he was paid $1000.00 to bring the load to an El Paso stash house after he was given immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony against the two agents.

[U]Davila claimed that he was shot in the back as he fled back to Mexico. The U.S. Army doctor who removed the bullet fragment from the smuggler's right groin disagreed.[/U] Although he was testifying as a government witness, he told the truth and stated, "The smuggler was not shot from behind". "He was in a running position, (bladed position) and pointing back with his left arm and hand when the bullet hit his left side of his left buttock and traveled to his right groin.

The prosecution then suggested that he may have been shot as he was running across and not away from agent Ramos. The doctor disagreed and so he was quickly dismissed by the prosecution.

The Bottom Line. The two agents were sentenced to 11 and 12 years in federal prison, respectively, on charges of assault with a deadly weapon and for violation of the drug smuggler's civil rights. They were charged with 11 and 12 counts, respectively, because every time they rejected Kanof's offer to plea bargain, she would become furious and dream up more counts against them.

In less than three weeks, two brave, honest and dedicated young agents, who have risked their lives for many years protecting our border, arresting illegal aliens, human smugglers and drug smugglers, will be sent off to prison, while Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, a known drug dealer goes free. It gets worse and I am still working on the trial accounts of this case.

While my family is suffering emotional trauma and financial disaster, this low-life drug smuggler is laughing at the Border Patrol and his unscrupulous attorney filed a $5 million lawsuit in April, 2005 against the U. S. Border Patrol for violation of his civil rights. This was one of the twelve counts that the agents were found guilty of by a misinformed and lied to jury. This conviction almost guarantees the five million dollars for the smuggler and only an exoneration would reverse that huge loss of our taxpayers money.

Meanwhile, the Ramos family is already in debt for more than $115,000 in legal fees. Ramos and Compean have gone twenty months without a paycheck and the families are in dire straights. This criminal drug smuggler has destroyed the lives of two good families, relatives and six small children. Both families have been ruined financially for many years to come. If the President refuses to pardon these agents, we will have to continue raising funds necessary to pay for the appeal to get a new, fair trial.

Johnny Sutton is the U. S. Attorney for the Western District Of Texas and he is also the prosecutors boss in this case. He defends the verdict repeating the lies of the prosecution and the drug smuggler. His statement is identical to the lies of the overzealous, vicious and unethical prosecutor, "Debra Kanof." It makes me sick just to read his irresponsible fabricated story and lies. When the agents were arrested, Kanof told them that the only reason they were there was because they failed to fill out a firearm discharge report. The then charged them with attempted murder. After interviewing at least twenty persons in El Paso, including attorneys and people that have worked with her and against her, I found that she is well known for her lies and unethical behavior in the courtroom. Her favorite saying is "when we are in that courtroom, it's my lies against your lies." Johnny Sutton traveled to El Paso for sentencing and said the following at at a press conference afterwards. " We did not arrest the smuggler, but instead gave him immunity because we could not prove that Davila was the driver of the van." Mr. Sutton needs to be reminded that the smuggler admitted that he was the driver. He testified that he had been paid one thousand dollars to deliver the drugs to an El Paso stashhouse. He was wounded. What more prove did you need.? Sutton said that Ramos should have yelled, " get down," when he heard shots instead of going to the aid of Compean." The only living creatures out there are jackrabbits and snakes. There was no one there other than Ramos when the shots were fired. Agent Juarez was parking his border patrol unit, paralled to the canal and across the canal from Ramos when the shots were fired.. Sutton did say that the smuggler was a piece of dirt. Our chances for a pardon because of Johnny Sutton, who has lied to protect his prosecutors may be slim due to the following. He was appointed by George Bush. He is a close associate of George Bush. When Bush was Texas Governor Sutton spent five years as his director of criminal justice policy. After Bush became president, Sutton became legal policy coordinator in the White House transition team working with another Bush, Texas colleague, Alberto Gonzalez. Sutton is the chairman of the Attorney General's advisory committee which plays a significant role in determining policies and programmes of the department and in carrying out the national goals set by the president and the attorney. Suttons appointment as U. S. Attorney for Western Texas is further evidence of his long friendship with the president.

Thank you and your fellow congressmen for all your support. With the help of the lord we will prevail and overturn this, one of the worse miscarriages of justice and betrayal by the U.S. Attorneys that I have ever seen. This two young, brave and dedicated agents are not criminals. The are good husbands and fathers. They have six young children to raise and have done a terrific job of it. They do not belong locked up in a prison cell for doing their job. We have the support of millions of people all over the nation, but only the congress and the president can overturn this travesty. We pray to god that your efforts will help us. We are now begging the judge to let the agents stay out on bail pending their appeals. They are not flight risks and they certainly are not a threat to society or to our community. They are scheduled to self surrender January 17th to begin serving their prison terms.

Respectfully,



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From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Sep 22 21:19:10 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:19:10 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] UPDATE - PLEASE PRAY FOR BETH & AMY !!!
In-Reply-To: <586678.26267.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <586678.26267.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0C66F5881E0C43D3B15A65C9BE903CE4@bettylaptop>

Thanks to all of you who so lovingly have written that you are praying for
my daughters!  It means so much.  I spoke to both girls this evening.  Amy
is feeling much better and is getting her strength back.  She went to her
doctor today.  They also are in the process of moving into an apartment
while the repairs are being made on their house.

 

Beth's new closing date is supposed to be Wednesday, day after tomorrow!
Please continue to pray for her and the children that HaShem will go before
her and that all will run smoothly and that the house will close with no
ripples this time, so that she will not lose everything.I just cannot
imagine that happening.  I know that Torah says, "Vengeance is Mine, saith
the L-RD!"  But I am really having trouble dealing with that emotionally as
her ex-husband has been and continues to be so calloused and so uncaring.  I
really think he is trying to just beat her down, thinking that she will come
back to him, but there is no chance of that happening.

 

Again, thanks so much for your prayers.  I will keep you all updated,

 

My love,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Osborne
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:42 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] PLEASE PRAY FOR BETH!!

 

Lynn and I are beseeching Our Father on the behalf of Beth and the children.

 

Tracy

 

----- Original Message ----
From: Betty Givin bkgivin at charter.net
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:34:57 PM
Subject: [Dialogue] PLEASE PRAY FOR BETH!!

I know that only a few days ago, I asked for prayer for my youngest
daughter, Amy as she ended up in the ER due to breathing problems. I sent
out an update so won't repeat myself, but thanks to all of you who prayed
for her.  I am not even sure who received the email as I only received one
response back.  Hopefully you did get it and will get this one as well.

 

With so much going on about us with the storms and Rosh HaShanah right
around the corner and all that is going on in Israel, some might think my
prayer request insignificant.but you are my family, and as family we care
for one another, so I am asking you to please pray fervently for my daughter
Beth as she is finding herself in a desperate situation.

 

She is recently divorced, has 6 children and her house is scheduled to close
this week sometime.if it doesn't, it will go into foreclosure because her
not so nice ex husband just stopped paying the mortgage payments long before
the divorce was final.  Her real estate atty has kept it out of foreclosure
since May.  .  The city of Keller is supposed to be purchasing it, but it
has been one delay after another; and now that it is down to the wire, she
is really getting scared.if it doesn't close, she will be destitute. She has
been a stay at home Mom, home schooling all 6 of her children, which is
admirable, but has left her with no experience in the job market.   I am not
going to go into the personal details.that is enough.just please, please
pray!  She is so deserving of a break, as are her kids.

 

Thanks so much,

 

Betty/Elisheva

 

 

 

 

 

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From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Sep 22 22:09:29 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:09:29 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] The list, Brian, the bums and our responsibility
In-Reply-To: <855590370809220632j72d2376axac38296cedf5fe56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200809220631.m8M6Vl99009271@mail207c25.carrierzone.com>
	<855590370809220632j72d2376axac38296cedf5fe56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64D596E2F52D41FFAE043FD1D99B683A@bettylaptop>

Yes, of course!  Thank you for letting us know, Steve.  You are right, Brian
would never ask.and he does so much for so many people.not just us!

 

Elisheva

 

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Hanoch Young
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:33 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The list, Brian, the bums and our responsibility

 

Hey Steve,

 

    Thanks for this very important note...Brian does so much for all of us,
we should definitely contribute!  Thanks!

                        Hanoch

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com>
wrote:

Friends, 

Am writing to alert you to one more disaster, that we may not all be
cognizant of.  It concerns one of our members, whose work we all depend on,
yet know not much about.  This list, as well as other important websites of
concern to us, are carried on a computer system and program managed by Brian
Jones.  Just before Ike came around, the outfit from whom he has to purchase
the license to use the program that carries this list, has raised the price
ten-fold (!). Yes, that is TEN-FOLD.  This was not a $29.00 program, it used
to cost about $200 per year. Not only that, but his computer is beyond
repair and needs to be replaced.  He would never ask you all to contribute
anything to the cost of his service, and he has not done so. This was
reasonable while the price of the program was one tenth of what it is now.
However, unreasonability rules the world as we speak.   

If you value this list, am asking you all to contribute something toward
offsetting this humongous price increase for this year.  It is only fitting
that we bear part of the burden. After all, the bums did it to us all as
well.....   If we all pitched in a little, we can help to offset this
outrageous gouging....  there is no need to reply to this note.  We can just
respond. 

To contribute, use this link is from one of his websites:

http://electricscribe.com/ES-Gifts.html

Gratefully, 

Steve


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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 11:05:51 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:05:51 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] One day in Israel - please circulate...
Message-ID: <855590370809230905x890117cvbb8815f4390ae35b@mail.gmail.com>

*Shalom,*
**
*    The 'Women in Green' website
(**www.womeningreen.org*<http://www.womeningreen.org/>
*) had the following, please see my comments below there's:*
**
" Arab terror against Jews in Israel is increasing daily. As the famous
saying of our Rabbis says:
"Those who have mercy on the cruel, will become cruel to the merciful"

Yesterday an Arab woman threw acid in the face of a soldier at the Hawarra
checkpoint. The soldier lost his eye sight. The Arab woman exploited
Israel's latest capitulation to terror labeled "the special "humanitarian"
lane" at checkpoints. The "humanitarian" lane at the IDF checkpoints is
meant to allow Arabs with "humanitarian" problems to pass by the checkpoint
faster, without being checked as thoroughly as the other Arabs waiting in
the other lanes. This latest criminal idiocy by the Israeli government was
exploited by the Arab enemy and an IDF soldier lost his eye."

 *This creature was the same one who through acid in the face of another
Israeli last week, and got away.  Why is she still alive?  We're only going
to release her in the next round of 'goodwill' gestures to the Philistine
Authority, anyway.  She has blinded and scared two young Jewish men, whose
lives will never, ever be the same.  If you insist on allowing the Arabs to
remain in the Land of Israel, this, and much worse will occur, and keep
occuring....*
**
*  If you're going to wait to expell the Arabs, at least, KILL HER ON THE
SPOT, cover her carcas in pig skin (there are plenty of pigs available in
Israel - the Soviets who became citizens under the 'Law of Return' brought
them in..), cut off her head and display it, with a pigs head for all to
see.  And end the "secial humanitarian lane" - they have proven they are not
human...*
**
 A few hours later an Arab resident of Jerusalem drove with his BMW car into
a crowd of Israeli soldiers walking on the sidewalk in downtown Jerusalem,
close to the Old City, wounding tens of Israeli soldiers and residents.
Luckily, an IDF officer realized this was a terror attack and immediately
killed the Arab terrorist, thus preventing him from continuing on his
killing spree.
*I will write about this latest terror attack; from YET ANOTHER "Israeli
citizen"  seperately, but think of what kind of human being drives into a
crowd of people?  It's an easy one to answer: NO human being would do
that...*

All this is happening at a time when 0.23% of the Israeli public (i.e. less
than 20,000 people- many of them Arabs and Druze whose votes were bought)
appointed a new chairman for the virtual Kadima party. *So much for Israel
being the only democracy in the Middle East, right?*

We must hope that Tzippy Livni will not be able to form a government and
thus will be forced to go to new elections. The key to that is the Shas
party. It is mostly in their hands whether Livni will be able to form a
government or not. Unfortunately, the Shas party has disappointed all of us
since the Oslo agreements. Now is the time to tell the Shas leaders:
Shas can repent for the crime of allowing the Olso Accords to happen! Do not
join Tzippy Livni! Call for new elections!

Bombard Shas's offices with phones,faxes and emails:
Minister of Trade and Industry Eli Yishai
tel: 972-2-666-22-52-3
fax: 972-2-666-29-09

Emails of all Shas members of Knesset:
found at http://www.knesset.gov.il/mk/eng/mkindex_current_eng.asp?view=1

eyishay at knesset.gov.il
dazulay at knesset.gov.il
aatias at knesset.gov.il
eamsalem at knesset.gov.il
mazorb at knesset.gov.il
yvaknin at knesset.gov.il
nzeev at knesset.gov.il
amncohen at knesset.gov.il
izchakec at knesset.gov.il
amichaeli at knesset.gov.il
mnahari at knesset.gov.il
            *In the days before Rosh HaShana, when every G-d fearing person
believes that they are about to judged, these "religious" prostitutes sit in
this government of the insane, collecting payments for THEIR special
interests, while the rest of Israel goes down the tubes....There will be a
special judgement for people like this, when they stand before the Heavenly
Court at the end of their days.  *
*            May we ALL repent and return to HaShem,*
*                               Hanoch*
*                                     *
*    *
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 16:05:54 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:05:54 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] The lies we tell ourselves...
Message-ID: <855590370809231405v791c17d9scd7d508d8a3cfa67@mail.gmail.com>

*Shalom,*
**
*     Yesterday there was yet another terrorist attack in Jeruslaem
perpetrated by an Arab "citizen" of Israel - a resident of the Eastern
Jerusalem (currently occupied by Arabs).  This terrorist scum rammed his car
into a group of  Israeli soldiers, who in the Arutz-7 report were: "*Most of
the 23 victims, one of whom is in serious condition, were Jewish soldiers
who had gone to the Old City to participate in the nighttime selichot
prayers traditionally recited before Rosh Hashanah."

     *Once again, Arab terrorists from Jerusalem - citizens of Israel
attacked Jews...this was the fifth attack by them in the last half year.
The slaughter at Merkaz HaRav Yeshiva, the two bulldozer attacks, and the
stabbing of a Rabbi at the 'Damascus' Gate, which is actually Sha'ar Shchem
(I was about 300 yards away when it occurred in March).  Now, even the
seemingly infinite patience of Israeli's to be murdered while their
government refuses to do what's necessary to protect them, is beginning to
wear thin.  So, what does the government do?  They EXPLAIN AWAY this
terrorist attack in the following manner:       *

"Security forces have identified the terrorist who attacked a group of IDF
soldiers Monday
night<http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0XE9D27DEF3A44B4CAE5C363DCD507ABBD377165504477FD4B15308EF2255C9698BD0C4756B40FAD8D7C4D97DE7D3DDD05A891355DB6044DBAB056B0C882B44C4E.htm>in
the capital as 19-year-old Kassem Salah Al-Mughrabi, a resident of the
eastern Jerusalem neighborhood of Jabel Mukaber. ....Israeli police, on the
other hand, indicated that while Mughrabi's attack indeed targeted Jews
specifically, the spark for it may have been mixed with motives far less
ideological than the Islamists are promoting. On Tuesday morning, Jerusalem
police spokesman Shmuel Ben Ruby said the terrorist was suffering from
unrequited love.

Mughrabi apparently wanted to marry his cousin, but when the would-be
lover's advances were spurned he decided to pour his anger out on the Jewish
Israelis instead. Police noted that, like other recent Muslim attackers from
Jerusalem, Mughrabi had no previous security record.:

  *Huh?  His advances were spurned so he decided that instead of sulking
about it, he would go and try to kill some Jews....and THAT is not a
terrorist attack?!?!?!  When are we going to finally 'GET IT' that they want
to kill ALL the Jews of Israel....that it's THEM or US?  Let's stop lying to
ourselves....*

*                           Hanoch*
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From dhcole1 at cox.net  Tue Sep 23 21:45:00 2008
From: dhcole1 at cox.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:45:00 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] The Winds
References: <1653084237-1220271018-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-548819643-@bxe103.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><01ba01c90c2e$8923bf20$6400a8c0@davesbook><06ca01c91925$5920dca0$6500a8c0@davesbook>
	<0837A24D-9CAE-423E-9675-BCBB202E834F@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002501c91def$8ad64fe0$6500a8c0@davesbook>

Amazing in deed, James

Yes I remember Hugo....I spent 3 months in Charleston doing tree work,  and 3 more months in Lancaster County clearing the right of ways.  Today in an older neighborhood that had major damage we landscaped a new home that had just been completed.  Around us was decay and destruction.... a small glimmer of  "new growth" emerged. 

dave


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Tabor" <jamesdtabor at earthlink.net>
To: <dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Winds


> Dave,
> 
> Thanks so much or this update that I am just getting to this Sabbath  
> myself. I think with Ike and all the attention to NOLA people seemed  
> to forget BR and the horrible damage. It sounds very much like what we  
> had here in Charlotte with Hugo way back in 1989, no power for two  
> weeks. Our thoughts are with all of you. I think in times like those  
> amazing things happen, even with all the stress.
> 
> Shabbat Shalom,
> 
> James
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:27 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> 
>>
>> Well the wind did arrive and it blew HARD (90+mph) for hours..... 
>> (day light hours).   I have spent the last two weeks working on  
>> clearing debris and taking care of my faithful customers.  Having  
>> lost electricity and communications, we are slowly getting back  
>> up!!!  Some parts of Baton Rough suffered trees falling and totally  
>> destroying the utility grid. Fortunately,at our house, the  
>> electricity was restored after three days. Our cable (internet) was  
>> turned on today.  I stored up lots of Gasoline before the storm and  
>> was able to function with out worry for the first week with out  
>> having to refuel.  It was horrible getting around town, getting  
>> equipment and man power to locations, for the first week,  until  
>> most traffic signals were restored.  Sherry traveled to a small  
>> community 40-50 miles northeast from here on the 4th day to  
>> replenish our perishable food supplies, (our small crew got a fast  
>> food lunch that day...WITH ICE!)
>>
>> Along comes hurricane Ike....not much damage and I was able to rest  
>> for a day and a half during this storm.  Then we had a great break  
>> from the summer heat with a week of temp in the dry 60s....we are  
>> almost to the point in our work to say we are gaining head way.  It  
>> will be hard for me in the following weeks to stop and rest on the  
>> Sabbath.....
>>
>> dave
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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Wed Sep 24 08:43:28 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:43:28 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Yair on Internet & radio
Message-ID: <200809241343.m8ODhQLZ010762@mail136c25.carrierzone.com>

Hi Gang,

The bad news is the collapse of financial institutions.  The Good 
News is that the Ten Tribes info is going out on radio and Internet:

Steve


From: yair <britam at netvision.net.il>
Subject: Brit-Am On the Radio Again
To: britam at netvision.net.il

Brit-Am On the Radio Again
Brit-Am will be on the Radio from now on, God willing.
We will broadcast twice a week.
Once at 1130 in the morning New Mexico, USA, time on Mondays and again
  at 1130 in the morning New Mexico time on Wednesdays.
Recordings of the broadcasts will be repeated twice in the following week:
Once about an hour after sunset in New Mexico on Saturday Night
and again at about 930 Sunday morning, New Mexico time.
The broadcasts in principle will consist of a short interview or 
answer to questions
by Yair Davidiy followed by ca.30 minute talk from New BAMBI. These 
talks are still in preparation.
One time a week we will focus on the Lost Ten Tribes and the other 
time on a portion of the Bible.
In the beginning the Bible Talk will have as its subject Psalms and 
the Brit-Am Commentary to Psalms.

This is still in the experimental stage and we are sorting things out.
Brit-Am is still playing around looking for a suitable microphone and 
new audio recording program for mp3 files to get used to
(suggestions are welcomed) but we should be ready on time with 
something beginning at ca. 1130 today.

Ray Maccabee of Kosher Radion is in charge.
He gets the credit for making this possible and he is the one making 
the decisions.
All inquiries on these matters should go to him.

Again, at the beginning it may be a bit rough but all should go well.

Your feedback is more than welcome. We need it.
God bless you
Yair Davidiy

Kosher 101.9 around the world
http://fm1019messianic.com/aboutus.aspx
place a link to our radio broadcast  www.fm1019messianic.com    or 
http://38.96.148.33:8732/listen.pls   this will play on any player, 
real, quick, I tunes etc...



Yair Davidiy
POB 595
Jerusalem 91004
Israel

Brit-Am
http://www.britam.org

AND I WILL MAKE OF THEE A GREAT NATION, AND I WILL BLESS THEE, AND MAKE THY
NAME GREAT; AND THOU SHALT BE A BLESSING:

   AND I WILL BLESS THEM THAT BLESS THEE...
AND IN  THEE SHALL ALL FAMILIES OF THE EARTH BE BLESSED
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From jid at westnet.com.au  Thu Sep 25 05:57:24 2008
From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:57:24 +1000
Subject: [Dialogue] MACHZOR RABBAH - ROSH HASHANA.
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From tposborne77 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 25 06:15:19 2008
From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:15:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] MACHZOR RABBAH - ROSH HASHANA.
Message-ID: <606666.60850.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Thanks Joe,
?
I have this interview on my links page on my website. Its been a while, but I need to listen through it again?as well as check out the other links you provide.

Tracy?



----- Original Message ----
From: JOE INDOMENICO <jid at westnet.com.au>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:57:24 AM
Subject: [Dialogue] MACHZOR RABBAH - ROSH HASHANA.

Shalom Chaverim,

as we prepare for Rosh HaShanah there is something on my heart that I would like to share with you. The jury is still out on Rabbi Simcha Pearlmutter. He has created a stir in both Jewish and Christian circles. In Jewish circles because he was not officially ordained through the appropriate Orthodox Beit Din and in Christian circles because he is vehemently opposed to Christianity whilst believing in Yeshua.

Unfortunately Simcha has passed away. However I have some friends locally here in Australia that have met him personally in the Negev and have passed on to me numerous letters of correspondence that were written over the years. He was a real character who stood up for what he believed. His fascinating insight into the prayers of the Machzor Rabbah for Rosh HaShanah are quite controversial but accurate. 

I have included some Jewish links regarding the man to give you all an insight into why there was so much controversy.
http://www.menorah.org.za/simcha_pearlmutter.php
http://haemtza.blogspot.com/2006/09/jesus-in-machzor-of-rosh-hashanah.html
To be accurate "the ministering angel" in the prayer is actually SAR HAPANIM "the Prince of the Countenance/ Front.

I have included a 9 part interview with him. I am curious to hear your feedback. I for one have an open mind to his message. Please take the time to listen. If any of you have additional information on Simcha, I would be interested to hear from you.

PART 1?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CojKfel24sA&mode=related&search= 
PART 2?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zRINswObiA&mode=related&search=
PART 3?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq9ZJT18q7g&mode=related&search=
PART 4?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxLD0J-dT4I&mode=related&search=
PART 5?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAaSBNBTW-0&mode=related&search=
PART 6?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4XfOWBmstQ&mode=related&search=
PART 7?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Teyb6taSUxg&mode=related&search=
PART 8?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zgRVnU-ioo&mode=related&search=
PART 9?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HtnG1X0Ohk&mode=related&search=

Shalom v' Ahavah,
JOE.


      
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 25 10:45:55 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:45:55 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Beth's house closing today!
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Just a quick note to all that Betty called and said Beth's house is supposed to close today at 2:15 Central Time.  She asks that we all keep praying until it is done.

Thanks,

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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 25 16:45:28 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:45:28 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] MACHZOR RABBAH - ROSH HASHANA.
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Simchah played a pivotal role in my husband and my, as well as several close friends, lives.  I think we first spoke to him in '90 by phone from the US  (we never actually met face to face).  We knew very little about him at that time, but had been encouraged by another friend to speak to him.  He was responsible for our meeting others who would also convert to Judaism.  After speaking to him, we had a number of unusual "coincidences" occur, which seemed to shape our destiny.  As far as I know, he was definitely not a Christian, but did believe that Yeshua is the Messiah.  I'm not sure if he ever backed off from that assertion.

The story of when he and his small band of followers first arrived in Israel is quite humorous.  As I remember hearing it, they came from Florida with live animals, determined to farm in the Land.  They were detained at the airport while authorities tried to figure out what to do with them.  I think they wanted to send them back to the States.  But the airport in those days was just a small building and the livestock were smelling it up, so they were finally asked just to leave the premises!  They eventually made their way down to the Aravah, where I believe they were essentially camping out.  Later, as Ariel Sharon was out scouting the area in a helicopter, preparing for war with the Egyptians, he spotted Simchah's motley little crew on the ground below.  He landed and asked, "Don't you know there is a war about to break out, and the enemy will come right through here?"  Simchah was evidently unconcerned and determined to remain there in the wilderness, so Sharon allowed him to settle there, and made him a watchman.  Simchah was to report if there was enemy activity in the area, which is how he came to make Ir Ovot his home.     

I know that when Israeli water authority people were trying to find water in the Aravah, and had tried many sites without success, they came to him and said, "We know you hear from G-d, where would you say we should try to drill?"   Simchah answered them that he had not heard from G-d in a long time, but if he were they, he would try right over there.  He pointed out a location to them and, having nothing to lose because they had to quit trying after this one last hole, they followed his advice.  That last try resulted in their finding a huge aquifer below the desert!!!!

I remember hearing that the army would send a bus full of soldiers down to the desert to hear him speak before they were posted on the front lines.  One such bus load of soldiers were assaulted by the enemy in a terrible attack after going down to Simchah's, and not one single life was lost.

Simchah had battled with cancer, and been very successful in his fight.  His remedy was to juice raw fruits and vegetables, and that is all he would eat, if I am remembering correctly.  The cancer went into remission.  But in 1994, one of his sons, who had been on leave from the Army, and was about to report back to duty, took a bus to go visit a fallen comrade's grave.   I believe that it was on the return trip from the cemetery, dressed in his uniform to report back to duty, that the bus stopped to pick up more passengers.  An Arab terrorist, seeing an empty seat beside a soldier (Simchah's son), sat down and detonated the explosives wired to his body.  Simchah's precious son was killed.  I remember trying to write a condolence letter to him just before my own husband unexpectedly died.  I don't even know if I ever sent the letter.

I heard that he never recovered from the loss of his son, and then the cancer later reasserted itself and he succumbed.  He may no longer have had the will to fight it.

I don't know how accurate my recollections are on all of this, but these are things I remember about Simchah, may his memory be blessed.  I hope more people will write of their memories of him as well.

Avigail


From: JOE INDOMENICO 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:57 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
Subject: [Dialogue] MACHZOR RABBAH - ROSH HASHANA.


Shalom Chaverim,

as we prepare for Rosh HaShanah there is something on my heart that I would like to share with you. The jury is still out on Rabbi Simcha Pearlmutter. He has created a stir in both Jewish and Christian circles. In Jewish circles because he was not officially ordained through the appropriate Orthodox Beit Din and in Christian circles because he is vehemently opposed to Christianity whilst believing in Yeshua.

Unfortunately Simcha has passed away. However I have some friends locally here in Australia that have met him personally in the Negev and have passed on to me numerous letters of correspondence that were written over the years. He was a real character who stood up for what he believed. His fascinating insight into the prayers of the Machzor Rabbah for Rosh HaShanah are quite controversial but accurate. 

I have included some Jewish links regarding the man to give you all an insight into why there was so much controversy.
http://www.menorah.org.za/simcha_pearlmutter.php
http://haemtza.blogspot.com/2006/09/jesus-in-machzor-of-rosh-hashanah.html
To be accurate "the ministering angel" in the prayer is actually SAR HAPANIM "the Prince of the Countenance/ Front.

I have included a 9 part interview with him. I am curious to hear your feedback. I for one have an open mind to his message. Please take the time to listen. If any of you have additional information on Simcha, I would be interested to hear from you.

PART 1   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CojKfel24sA&mode=related&search= 
PART 2   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zRINswObiA&mode=related&search=
PART 3   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq9ZJT18q7g&mode=related&search=
PART 4   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxLD0J-dT4I&mode=related&search=
PART 5   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAaSBNBTW-0&mode=related&search=
PART 6   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4XfOWBmstQ&mode=related&search=
PART 7   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Teyb6taSUxg&mode=related&search=
PART 8   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zgRVnU-ioo&mode=related&search=
PART 9   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HtnG1X0Ohk&mode=related&search=

Shalom v' Ahavah,
JOE.




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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Fri Sep 26 05:38:11 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:38:11 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Help reclaim the Land of Israel
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From correim at gninc.ca  Fri Sep 26 06:24:11 2008
From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:24:11 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] a 2nd reply Elul and Psalm 27 links FYI
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	<E79B331CBACC4B2896006AE860E23F3D@bettylaptop>
Message-ID: <48DCC65B.8030303@gninc.ca>

Dear ones, all of you, Betty, Steve, Joe, Pat, Helen, and of course I 
don't know who all will read this. But my heart is so warmed and 
consoled as i read your reports. My heart also goes out to all those who 
have been experiencing those storms and hurricanes. I am praying for 
you, realizing that we may be in for much more intense difficulty's in 
the near future all over in North America. And since you asked me to 
keep you up dated on Jamie, I feel I owe this to your prayers and 
support for Jamie.

Jamie is still prisoned in religious reform, and even though at this 
point the door is standing open to him, he can now choose to find a 
foster home, take grade 10 in a public school of 2000 students. But even 
the Child and Family services think he would be a bit stupid to choose 
that option, (most likely they are Christian Counselors) as the majority 
of this public school is in a Mennonite Community trapped in either very 
strict rules and regulations or else, a totally secular search for the 
things of this world, with much of it cloaked in Christianity. I want to 
emphasize that the Holdeman Mennonites, under who's umbrella Jamie is 
still as it appears outwardly, covered and as it appears outwardly, very 
protected from the woes of this fearful world, unscathed by open sinful 
enticement, these people are a specially unique religious setting, very 
comfortingly separated from the world, as they see it, with their own 
parochial school, with their own Christian teachers. A very friendly 
atmosphere, (that is, if you don't know better). This decision is very 
hard for Jamie to make, as a 15 year old, as the home he is presently 
staying in, are a very caring and loving couple who sincerely want his 
best for all they know and are taught themselves, boxed in, in their own 
churches religious setting.

But Jamie,  having had to fight  a bad Kidney , having had one replaced 
already, not capable of really working hard, he is very intelligent, a 
book worm, he desperately wants to take a higher education than this 
church allows, but he already has no use for the religious setting of 
this church. I have often feared he might just fall out into the 
temptations of this world, were it not for all the physical suffering he 
has had to live with. And still does. Should he still choose to go to a 
foster home of whom he has no idea how they will take care of his health 
care, like these Mennonites do, even his parents to a point do. It is a 
real challenge for him. And here is where I have really cherished all 
your sincere prayers for him, of which I recently again had a chance to 
connect with him. I believe that Hashem is definitely preparing Jamie 
for something he is not even necessarily aware of just what that is.

But of of all things, a miracle happened again. Jamie had to to again 
have someone take him to the city, an hours drive, for a thorough 
check-up in the Health Science Center in Winnipeg, and I was allowed to 
take him, of course it was his choice, but they allowed it. Since he had 
recently had had a toe surgery because of ingrowing toe nails, (not the 
first time) but he was in a lot of pain. But what was such a balm to my 
heart was that his main concern was, as he soon let me know. "Grandpa 
what are you studying these days spiritually?" Jamie was allowed to stay 
with us for the night before I took him in. And before retiring for the 
night, he was ready to devour some reading material that he was not 
allowed where he stayed. Being somewhat prepared for this I had already 
printed out and bound a more or less 100 page book full of  selected 
Dialogue messages from"rootsoffaith" . And in the morning I was prompted 
and felt a keen drawing to your article Betty, from Sept. 4 about "a 2nd 
reply Elul and Psalm 27" including the links from Steve.

It was such a pleasure for me to see how he just devoured that stuff 
while I was taking him on a wheelchair because of his pain in his foot,  
for a long walk in a tunnel underneath a street, from one appointment to 
the next.  Jamie is so well acquainted in that huge hospital, I had to 
totally depend on him to direct me from place to place. He was so 
engrossed in his reading this material, he would hardly look up, but 
just pointed with his thumb either to go left or right. Now I don't know 
how much he really is grasping concerning Rosh Hashana and all that. But 
it was overwhelmingly evident that he is hungry for spiritual matters.  
I was also privileged to sell  him my  fairly up to date lap top 
computer for a reasonable price. Jamie does not have much to say, but he 
has such a craving for knowledge that has been withheld from him. I have 
good hopes that as soon as he will get into a decent foster home, if he 
still chooses that, for which I covet your prayers again, that than he 
will soon have internet and we will, Hashem willing, be able to connect 
again. He has been taught that the Internet is the Devils tool, and is 
no good for him. And we all know how alluring it is. So please do keep 
praying for Jamie, whoever feels it in your heart, as he will come under 
dire temptations to make wrong choices.

Shalom to all and that Hashems will may be done for all of you, I love 
you all

Cornie


Betty Givin wrote:
>
> Steve and friends,
>
>  
>
> I have been reading some this pm from these links.  They are all very 
> rich with meaning and have so much to offer in the way of learning and 
> giving us things to meditate on during these special days leading up 
> to Yom Kippur.  The first link even has a quiz and depending on how 
> you answer will guide you to your level of learning.  I found out that 
> I didn't know as much as I thought I did!
>
>  
>
> One thing really struck hard at me in the first article regarding the 
> background and explanation of why Psalm 27 is read twice each day 
> beginning of the first of Elul thru Rosh HaShannah and up until erev 
> Yom Kippur...and that is that the psalm is clearly divided into two 
> parts...and when looked at carefully can mirror the emotions present 
> in any one of us at one time or another in our lives.
>
>  
>
> At the risk of opening myself up and becoming vulnerable for the sake 
> of possibly helping some of you that are going thru tough times,  I 
> just wanted to say that  the Psalm 27 has always been special to me 
> and that this particular teaching especially fits where I have been 
> these past months...and it gave me great comfort to read it for it 
> made me feel that I am indeed not alone...that some of the feelings 
> that I have been going thru are actually very common...it is really 
> quite beautiful and left me feeling overwhelmed and blessed...I think 
> it is perhaps just what I needed to set me on the path to t'shuvah and 
> to help get me into the spirit of this month of preparation leading up 
> and thru the 10 Days of Awe between Rosh HaShanah and Yom 
> Kippur...which is something that I have been personally struggling 
> with, as I have had so many personal issues that it has been hard to 
> see the trees thru the fog...
>
>  
>
> Hopefully it might speak to some of you as well and bless you as it 
> did me...
>
>  
>
> * The psalmist cries out, demands, asks and pleads that his two worlds 
> are one. I, the sufferer, depressed to the ultimate limits, am that 
> same I who trusts, who is safe, who sits in the presence of the Lord. ** *
>
> *   *
>
> Thank you so much, Steve, for sharing...
>
>  
>
> Love and Blessings to all, wherever you are,
>
>  
>
> Betty/Elisheva
>
>  
>
>  
>
> * From: * dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org 
> [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve Mathe
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:47 AM
> *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
> *Subject:* [Dialogue] Elul and Psalm 27 links FYI
>
>  
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> Here are some links for you to check out in and on Elul.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> http://myjewishlearning.com/holidays/Rosh_Hashana/Overview_High_Holidays/Elul/Psalm_27.htm
>
> http://scheinerman.net/judaism/hhd/teshuvah/index.html
>
> http://www.rebchava.com/pages.php?tabid=3&pageid=16&title=Holy+Meditations+on+Psalm+27
>
> <http://www.rebchava.com/pages.php?tabid=3&pageid=16&title=Holy+Meditations+on+Psalm+27>http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/jeisholidays/elul/
>
> http://www.askmoses.com/article/620,18771/Why-do-we-recite-Psalm-27-on-Rosh-Hashanah-and-Yom-Kippur.html
>
> http://www.torah.org/learning/yomtov/elulrosh/vol1no35.html
>
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>
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 26 09:21:26 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:21:26 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] a 2nd reply Elul and Psalm 27 links FYI
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	<48DCC65B.8030303@gninc.ca>
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Dear Cornie,

Please know that I am praying for Jamie.  May HaShem heal him physically, and may his spirit soar as the One G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob feeds him richly on His Word.  May his longing for HaShem be satisfied, and may the two of you be knitted together in heart and spirit always.

Your sharing Jamie's trials with us is such an inspiration, encouraging us to cherish what the L-RD has so freely given:  His teaching, His prophetic Word, and the examples of those who have gone before us.  May none of us fall short of the glorious knowledge of Him that He has set before us.  May Jamie hear His voice saying, "this is the Way, walk in it" (Is 30:21) at every crossroads he encounters, and may the angles of HaShem  be given charge over Jamie to keep him in all his ways, and to lift him in their hands, lest he dash his foot against a stone (Ps 91:11-12).

Thank you for this precious letter, Cornie.  And Betty, thank you so much for your answer to Steve.  We are family, and we are walking Home, side by side, arm in arm.

With love and thankfulness for you all,

Avigail/Pat   


From: Cornie Reimer 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:24 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org 
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] a 2nd reply Elul and Psalm 27 links FYI


Dear ones, all of you, Betty, Steve, Joe, Pat, Helen, and of course I don't know who all will read this. But my heart is so warmed and consoled as i read your reports. My heart also goes out to all those who have been experiencing those storms and hurricanes. I am praying for you, realizing that we may be in for much more intense difficulty's in the near future all over in North America. And since you asked me to keep you up dated on Jamie, I feel I owe this to your prayers and support for Jamie.

Jamie is still prisoned in religious reform, and even though at this point the door is standing open to him, he can now choose to find a foster home, take grade 10 in a public school of 2000 students. But even the Child and Family services think he would be a bit stupid to choose that option, (most likely they are Christian Counselors) as the majority of this public school is in a Mennonite Community trapped in either very strict rules and regulations or else, a totally secular search for the things of this world, with much of it cloaked in Christianity. I want to emphasize that the Holdeman Mennonites, under who's umbrella Jamie is still as it appears outwardly, covered and as it appears outwardly, very protected from the woes of this fearful world, unscathed by open sinful enticement, these people are a specially unique religious setting, very comfortingly separated from the world, as they see it, with their own parochial school, with their own Christian teachers. A very friendly atmosphere, (that is, if you don't know better). This decision is very hard for Jamie to make, as a 15 year old, as the home he is presently staying in, are a very caring and loving couple who sincerely want his best for all they know and are taught themselves, boxed in, in their own churches religious setting. 

But Jamie,  having had to fight  a bad Kidney , having had one replaced already, not capable of really working hard, he is very intelligent, a book worm, he desperately wants to take a higher education than this church allows, but he already has no use for the religious setting of this church. I have often feared he might just fall out into the temptations of this world, were it not for all the physical suffering he has had to live with. And still does. Should he still choose to go to a foster home of whom he has no idea how they will take care of his health care, like these Mennonites do, even his parents to a point do. It is a real challenge for him. And here is where I have really cherished all your sincere prayers for him, of which I recently again had a chance to connect with him. I believe that Hashem is definitely preparing Jamie for something he is not even necessarily aware of just what that is.

But of of all things, a miracle happened again. Jamie had to to again have someone take him to the city, an hours drive, for a thorough check-up in the Health Science Center in Winnipeg, and I was allowed to take him, of course it was his choice, but they allowed it. Since he had recently had had a toe surgery because of ingrowing toe nails, (not the first time) but he was in a lot of pain. But what was such a balm to my heart was that his main concern was, as he soon let me know. "Grandpa what are you studying these days spiritually?" Jamie was allowed to stay with us for the night before I took him in. And before retiring for the night, he was ready to devour some reading material that he was not allowed where he stayed. Being somewhat prepared for this I had already printed out and bound a more or less 100 page book full of  selected Dialogue messages from"rootsoffaith" . And in the morning I was prompted and felt a keen drawing to your article Betty, from Sept. 4 about "a 2nd reply Elul and Psalm 27" including the links from Steve.

It was such a pleasure for me to see how he just devoured that stuff while I was taking him on a wheelchair because of his pain in his foot,  for a long walk in a tunnel underneath a street, from one appointment to the next.  Jamie is so well acquainted in that huge hospital, I had to totally depend on him to direct me from place to place. He was so engrossed in his reading this material, he would hardly look up, but just pointed with his thumb either to go left or right. Now I don't know how much he really is grasping concerning Rosh Hashana and all that. But it was overwhelmingly evident that he is hungry for spiritual matters.  I was also privileged to sell  him my  fairly up to date lap top computer for a reasonable price. Jamie does not have much to say, but he has such a craving for knowledge that has been withheld from him. I have good hopes that as soon as he will get into a decent foster home, if he still chooses that, for which I covet your prayers again, that than he will soon have internet and we will, Hashem willing, be able to connect again. He has been taught that the Internet is the Devils tool, and is no good for him. And we all know how alluring it is. So please do keep praying for Jamie, whoever feels it in your heart, as he will come under dire temptations to make wrong choices.

Shalom to all and that Hashems will may be done for all of you, I love you all

Cornie


Betty Givin wrote: 
  Steve and friends, 

    

  I have been reading some this pm from these links.  They are all very rich with meaning and have so much to offer in the way of learning and giving us things to meditate on during these special days leading up to Yom Kippur.  The first link even has a quiz and depending on how you answer will guide you to your level of learning.  I found out that I didn't know as much as I thought I did! 

    

  One thing really struck hard at me in the first article regarding the background and explanation of why Psalm 27 is read twice each day beginning of the first of Elul thru Rosh HaShannah and up until erev Yom Kippur.and that is that the psalm is clearly divided into two parts.and when looked at carefully can mirror the emotions present in any one of us at one time or another in our lives. 

    

  At the risk of opening myself up and becoming vulnerable for the sake of possibly helping some of you that are going thru tough times,  I just wanted to say that  the Psalm 27 has always been special to me and that this particular teaching especially fits where I have been these past months.and it gave me great comfort to read it for it made me feel that I am indeed not alone.that some of the feelings that I have been going thru are actually very common.it is really quite beautiful and left me feeling overwhelmed and blessed.I think it is perhaps just what I needed to set me on the path to t'shuvah and to help get me into the spirit of this month of preparation leading up and thru the 10 Days of Awe between Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur.which is something that I have been personally struggling with, as I have had so many personal issues that it has been hard to see the trees thru the fog. 

    

  Hopefully it might speak to some of you as well and bless you as it did me. 

    

  The psalmist cries out, demands, asks and pleads that his two worlds are one. I, the sufferer, depressed to the ultimate limits, am that same I who trusts, who is safe, who sits in the presence of the Lord. 

    

  Thank you so much, Steve, for sharing. 

    

  Love and Blessings to all, wherever you are, 

    

  Betty/Elisheva 

    

    

  From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe
  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:47 AM
  To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
  Subject: [Dialogue] Elul and Psalm 27 links FYI 

    

  Hi Gang, 

  Here are some links for you to check out in and on Elul.

  Steve




  http://myjewishlearning.com/holidays/Rosh_Hashana/Overview_High_Holidays/Elul/Psalm_27.htm

  http://scheinerman.net/judaism/hhd/teshuvah/index.html

  http://www.rebchava.com/pages.php?tabid=3&pageid=16&title=Holy+Meditations+on+Psalm+27

  http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/jeisholidays/elul/

  http://www.askmoses.com/article/620,18771/Why-do-we-recite-Psalm-27-on-Rosh-Hashanah-and-Yom-Kippur.html

  http://www.torah.org/learning/yomtov/elulrosh/vol1no35.html 

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From tposborne77 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 26 21:34:58 2008
From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:34:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] The Branch - Continuing
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Dear Brethren/Sistren,
?
If you backup a few weeks you will find the remarks thus far. 
?
??????? I have proposed from the Scriptures that The BRANCH [Tsemek] was to be sent [shalach] from HaShem: This makes him a ?sent one? [a Shaliach or an Apostle]. It is he who will build, or, head up the building of the Holy Temple. (However, that does not mean that current efforts and preparations are fruitless.) I have proposed that this BRANCH is the one to come that would be "like unto" Moses according to Dt 18:15 & 18.
??? ??? I have provided verbal links from Zachariah, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and the Psalms. These links form many ?strokes of the brush?, so to speak, that paint the picture of the person being described.
??? ??? I must agree with Dr. Tabor, that this one is not anointed by a man, but is Anointed directly by HaShem even as was Moshe Rabbeinu. Moshe stood as an intermediary [a mediator] between HaShem and the people. The Covenant at Sinai was mediated through Moshe. There was no one to pour oil upon his head and give him his commission and authority. It was a direct communication to him. In like manner, The BRANCH will not be anointed with oil by any man, it will be a direct communication and commission. He will show evidence before the people and there will be no doubt as to whom he is and who has sent him, except for those who resist, even as many resisted Moshe.
??? ??? He, like Moshe, will sit and purify the sons of Levi and appoint the High Priest. He will be the one pouring the oil upon the heads of those whom he appoints. The Glory of HaShem will be upon his face, as it was with Moshe. He will be the New Moshe, inaugurating, implementing, and carrying out the plans of HaShem. 
?
??? ??? Obviously he will be anointed by HaShem even as was Moshe. There are many who are anointed but there was only one Moshe and there will be only one called "The BRANCH". Even though there are many mashiach?s, there is only one whom we call "The Mashiach" and "The BRANCH".
??? ??? I have connected the universal calling of this BRANCH with a few verses in the Psalms in previous posts. I seem to be working my way backward in the Prophets rather than the normal method of beginning at the beginning. It simply worked out this way. I want to show some more connections beginning with Psalm Two, showing that The BRANCH is the long awaited Mashiach - The seed of David.?
Psalm 2:2The kings of the earth stand up, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against His Anointed: 2:7
?
??????? Notice we have HaShem and His Anointed. Notice that HaShem calls him "My son". Notice the universality that is spoken of. Is this speaking of David himself, or the extention of David through his seed. The prophets seem to speak of raising up one UNTO David. You might say that David?s seed is his own shaliach carried through the generations. Samuel anointed David and his Seed, who was yet in his loins.?Sometimes the verses seem to speak directly of David and other times it is speaking of his seed. Obviously, the promises were not only to David, but unto David and his Seed.
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Psa 18:43...thou hast made me?The Head of the nations...
Psa 18:49Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name. 
Psa 18:50Great deliverance He gives to His king; and shows mercy to His anointed, to David, and to his seed for evermore. David AND his Seed are HaShem's anointed. He and/or his Seed?is made The Head of the nations.
?
Comparing this again with Zachariah, it becomes evident that THE Maschiach is THE Branch.
?
Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion ; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem : behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just [a Tsadiq], and having salvation [Yasha]; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Zec 9:10 And I [HaShem] will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem , and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he [The Young Man - The BRANCH?] shall speak peace unto the nations: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
??? ??? Notice the universality of this conflict and the universality of HaShem?s gift to this Anointed Son - "the nations for thine inheritance", and the ends of the earth for thy possession". This same language, I have demonstrated speaks of The BRANCH. The reach of The BRANCH goes far beyond what David ever experienced or even his seed Solomon, the successor to his throne. The outreach of The BRANCH begins with his people, Judah and Israel, but spreads out to the ends of the earth.
??? ??? David was anointed by the prophet Samuel. Moshe was not anointed by any man. Though The BRANCH is the seed of David, he nonetheless is one like unto Moshe and is anointed directly without a prophet. The verse above is a prophetic Psalm of David, but the words of The BRANCH seem to be in his mouth speaking of the latter days as we have described previously about the Book of Joel.
??? ??? I have echoed Dr. Tabor some, I think, pointing out that there are apparently three persons, a triad of anointed ones who will be on the scene at the end. The BRANCH, directly anointed and sent by Hashem, along with a King like unto David anointed by The BRANCH, and also a High Priest also anointed by The BRANCH.
There seems to have been such an expectation among those in the first century. In the book of Matthew, the mother of James and John came requesting that Rabbi Yeshua of Nazareth appoint her sons to be on his right and left hand. This event happened after Peter, James, and John, had gone up on a Mountain with Rabbi Yeshua and was transfigured before them. Moses and Elijah appeared alongside him. Discussion and argument about this among the disciples must have spread a little further, to the authorities for they seem to have wanted to make a mockery and a ?statement? about this when Rabbi Yeshua was nailed to a tree on the Mt of Olives, between two criminals. 
Kepha [Peter] later spoke of the import of this in one of his epistles,?
2Peter 1:16
his Zachariah Triad Motif, is reflected again in The Book of Revelation in Chapters 10 and 11. To me,?this??is a Malak [angel] that descends placing one foot on The Land and the other on the Sea. This is The BRANCH. In Chapter 11, John is given a rod to measure the temple[compare with the young man in Zachariah 2] and there are TWO WITNESSES who obviously are like Moses and Elijah in authority and power. [There are various interpretations concerning these two witnesses. I lean toward seeing them as a composite picture of the role of Messiah ben Joseph - already accomplished in the life and death of Yeshua of Nazareth.?His role of Messiah ben David is coming soon!! If this interpretation is correct, then the Triad Motif has already been fulfilled.]?
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??? There can be no doubt, and I can demonstrate it quite thoroughly if need be, that The Shlichim [Apostles] of Yeshua of Nazareth?considered that "The MASHIACH",?"The BRANCH", and The Coming Prophet?like MOSES?was one and the same person - Yeshua?son of Joseph, son of David.?
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Like Moses and David, The BRANCH is also called,?a?SHEPHERD", a TSADIK, having salvation - [Zachariah 9:9].
One can notice other parallels in The Testimony [HaEdot] concerning Rabbi Yeshua: 
He was Anointed directly by HaShem, directly - not by the Prophet Yochanan ha Matbil (John The Baptist). He spoke as one ?face to face? with HaShem.
?
Love & Prayers,
?
Tracy
www.TheHouseOfJoseph.comFor we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Yeshua ha Mashiach, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased". 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. KJV??I will tell of the decree: the LORD said unto me: 'Thou art My son, this day have I begotten thee. 8Ask of Me, and I will give the nations for thine inheritance, and the ends of the earth for thy possession. 9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.' JPS Translation


      
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From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 26 22:57:11 2008
From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Pat Robbins)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:57:11 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Beth's House 
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Betty called and asked that I send a note to tell everyone that Beth's house sold.  She is helping her pack up to move now.  Thank you so much for your prayers.

BARUCH HASHEM!!!!!!

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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Sat Sep 27 20:07:38 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:07:38 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] The Branch - Continuing
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Tracy,

 

Question?   Deut. 18. the prophet like unto me or v,18 thee.  Which is to
come form among the brethren. Which tribe? There are 12 at the time Moses
spoke this. Was he referring to the tribe of Levi, which he was from?   He
did not single out the tribe of Judah.  Maybe, the prophet like Moses comes
form Ephraim?      

 

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From tposborne77 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 27 21:13:43 2008
From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:13:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] The Branch - Continuing
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Shalom Brother Marvin,
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You are correct here. In this chapter, he does not state which Tribe that this Prophet will arise from. He is though, speaking to all of the Tribes and not to any one in particular. So, other corroborating texts have to be compared. We began with the premise introduced by Dr. Tabor that The Branch and The One Like Unto Moses are the same personages. I agreed with that and have been working from that point backwards. I am further demonstrating that this same person is The Mashiach - The Son of David.
?
Deut 18:15
Deut 18:16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 
[Verse 16 shows that he is speaking to all The Tribes and not merely to The Tribe of Levi.]
Deut 18:17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken thatwhich they have spoken.
Deut 18:18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 
?
In Genesis 49, it was already hinted that from The Tribe of Judah?would hold the sceptre, and then, David & his Seed?was chosen instead of Ephraim. Ephraim obviously, at that time, didn't like the decision and their envy led to great disaster.
?
Gen 49:10The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shallthe gathering of the people be.
?
Thanks Marvin. Important points to clarify.
?
Tracy
?
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To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 9:07:38 PM
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Tracy,
?
Question??? Deut. 18. the prophet like unto me or v,18 thee.? Which is to come form among the brethren. Which tribe? There are 12 at the time Moses spoke this. Was he referring to the tribe of Levi, which he was from??? He did not single out the tribe of Judah .? Maybe, the prophet like Moses comes form Ephraim?????? 
?
Marvin
?The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;


      
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep 28 06:47:39 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 04:47:39 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Yet, another sign....
Message-ID: <855590370809280447i1b98d99ak444b296a2e9841cd@mail.gmail.com>

Boker tov,

     So close to Rosh HaShana, and 'another sign...'  check this (brief)
video out...
           Hanoch
Click here: Lazer Beams: Ki Va Moed: The Appointed Time has
Come<http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/lazer_beams/2008/09/ki-va-moed-the-appointed-time-has-come.html>
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From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO)
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Subject: [Dialogue] Dreaming of Moshiach: Most Inspiring Video
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From tposborne77 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 28 07:41:42 2008
From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:41:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] MACHZOR RABBAH - ROSH HASHANA.]
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Shalom Joe,
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The newest one is www.TheHouseOfJoseph.com?.
?
The older one is www.OnHigh.org?.
?
Blessings,
Tracy
?



----- Original Message ----
From: JOE INDOMENICO <jid at westnet.com.au>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:58:29 AM
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] MACHZOR RABBAH - ROSH HASHANA.]

Shalom Tracy,

could you please forward to me your website. 

Shalom v'Ahavah
JOE.



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Thanks Joe,
?
I have this interview on my links page on my website. Its been a while, but I need to listen through it again?as well as check out the other links you provide.

Tracy?



----- Original Message ----
From: JOE INDOMENICO <jid at westnet.com.au>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:57:24 AM
Subject: [Dialogue] MACHZOR RABBAH - ROSH HASHANA.

Shalom Chaverim,

as we prepare for Rosh HaShanah there is something on my heart that I would like to share with you. The jury is still out on Rabbi Simcha Pearlmutter. He has created a stir in both Jewish and Christian circles. In Jewish circles because he was not officially ordained through the appropriate Orthodox Beit Din and in Christian circles because he is vehemently opposed to Christianity whilst believing in Yeshua.

Unfortunately Simcha has passed away. However I have some friends locally here in Australia that have met him personally in the Negev and have passed on to me numerous letters of correspondence that were written over the years. He was a real character who stood up for what he believed. His fascinating insight into the prayers of the Machzor Rabbah for Rosh HaShanah are quite controversial but accurate. 

I have included some Jewish links regarding the man to give you all an insight into why there was so much controversy.
http://www.menorah.org.za/simcha_pearlmutter.php
http://haemtza.blogspot.com/2006/09/jesus-in-machzor-of-rosh-hashanah.html
To be accurate "the ministering angel" in the prayer is actually SAR HAPANIM "the Prince of the Countenance/ Front.

I have included a 9 part interview with him. I am curious to hear your feedback. I for one have an open mind to his message. Please take the time to listen. If any of you have additional information on Simcha, I would be interested to hear from you.

PART 1?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CojKfel24sA&mode=related&search= 
PART 2?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zRINswObiA&mode=related&search=
PART 3?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq9ZJT18q7g&mode=related&search=
PART 4?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxLD0J-dT4I&mode=related&search=
PART 5?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAaSBNBTW-0&mode=related&search=
PART 6?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4XfOWBmstQ&mode=related&search=
PART 7?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Teyb6taSUxg&mode=related&search=
PART 8?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zgRVnU-ioo&mode=related&search=
PART 9?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HtnG1X0Ohk&mode=related&search=

Shalom v' Ahavah,
JOE.


      
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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Sun Sep 28 10:31:04 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:31:04 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Teruah
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Friends,

Yom Teruah, Day of the Blast  is coming up, and 
we hear a lot re "Rosh Hashana,"  "head of the 
year, i.e. "new year." While the latter term may 
have some significance, the  overusage of the 
term  contributes way too much toward a 
secularization of this Biblical "holy day"  to be 
just another "new year" celebration. It would 
more useful to refer to the day as Yom Teruah, as 
it is called in the Torah. The shofar blasts call 
our attention to  wake us up to HaShem's 
directives to listen to Him at this appointed 
time.  The shofar blast is also a call to war. 
The forwarded article below is testimony to 
that.  We are being prepared for war.......  or 
are we?  It seems that much of our society is 
asleep about that, and the war that will come will be a surprise to many.

The prophecies indicate great problems for 
the  tribes of Israel, i.e. "Jacob's 
trouble."  They also tell us of Yosef coming to 
the aid of Yehudah and the two families of Jacob 
burning up the evil forces that attack them. They 
also tell us of the time when "there shall be 
many slain of the L-RD."  In the mean time we, 
"the small remnant" that is being called out now, 
is being prepared for shofar blast-related  tasks 
of our own. This Yom Teruah, let us all be 
conscious of that as we ask for forgiveness for 
our sins and the sins of our fathers, (please see 
the prayer composed to that 
effect: 
http://www.uniteourheart.com/Prayer-Projects/Prayer/Confession%20Prayers%20VI.pdf 
. Please use it as a guide for your own prayers 
for interceding on behalf of all Israel.  If I 
wish for anything for you all, is that we have 
the Divine Guidance restored to us
all  to guide us for the task of the "remnant" of 
Israel in the last days.  Let us all ask our 
Father for that and may you all be inscribed for that.

Steve


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Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 3:43 PM
Subject: Article from DEBKAfile - A 14-plane US 
airlift lands high-powered FBX radar in Israel with US personnel

A 14-plane US airlift lands high-powered FBX radar in Israel with US personnel
September 27, 2008, 5:17 PM (GMT+02:00)

Huge US Air Force C-5 Galaxy and C-17 Globemaster 
III transports have ferried the high-powered 
FBX-T anti-missile radar to Israel?s Nevatim Air 
Base south of Beersheba. DEBKAfile?s military 
sources report that the transportable radar 
surveillance/forward-based X-band radar was 
accompanied by some 120 American European Command 
personnel. The area of its deployment at the 
Negev base has been fenced off and made off-limits to non-American personnel.
This is the first time an Israel Defense Forces 
facility housing an American weapons system has 
been closed to Israeli military.
The X-band radar has been deployed with cooling 
systems, generators, perimeter defense weaponry 
and dozens of technicians and security forces to 
operate and defend the installation.
The Raytheon system can detect a flying object 
the size of a baseball at a distance of 4,700 km, 
fix on its speed and trajectory and convey the 
data to the Israeli Arrow anti-missile battery. 
This equals detecting an Iranian Shehab-3 
ballistic missile 5.5 minutes after its launch, 
which means that it is picked up halfway on its 
11-minute flight from Iran to bomb targets in 
Israel, adding precious minutes to Israel?s 
response time for incoming missile attacks.
Israel has furthermore been given improved access 
to US satellites capable of identifying missiles 
at the instant of their launch. Israel will now 
be directly linked to the satellites - albeit 
through the US Joint Tactical Ground Station ? JTAGS in Europe.
Commenting on the FBX radar deployment, a 
Pentagon source said: First, we want to put Iran 
on notice that we?re bolstering our capabilities 
throughout the region, and especially in Israel. 
But just as important, we?re telling the 
Israelis, ?Calm down; behave. We?re doing all we 
can to stand by you and strengthen defenses.??


Copyright 2000-2007 DEBKAfile. All Rights Reserved.
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From rndavar at aol.com  Sun Sep 28 11:57:05 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (Ross Nichols)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:57:05 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Teruah
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Thanks for this Steve. I will also be talking about the Biblical significance of this day in my Sunday Shul lesson tonight. It begins with a few remarks from a sermon that is over 2,400 years old.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

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From: Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:31:04 
To: <dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Teruah


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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep 28 15:52:03 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:52:03 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Teruah
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References: <200809281531.m8SFVAri018212@mail201c25.carrierzone.com>
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Shalom Steve,

    Thanks for sharing this; Shana Tova to everyone, and may this be a year
filled with health, love, peace, happiness, prosperity and contentment for
you, your families and ALL of Israel.

                * Hanoch
*
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Steve Mathe <eliasaph at uniteourheart.com>wrote:

> Friends,
>
> Yom Teruah, Day of the Blast  is coming up, and we hear a lot re "Rosh
> Hashana,"  "head of the year, i.e. "new year." While the latter term may
> have some significance, the  overusage of the term  contributes way too much
> toward a secularization of this Biblical "holy day"  to be just another "new
> year" celebration. It would more useful to refer to the day as Yom Teruah,
> as it is called in the Torah. The shofar blasts call our attention to  wake
> us up to HaShem's directives to listen to Him at this appointed time.  The
> shofar blast is also a call to war. The forwarded article below is testimony
> to that.  We are being prepared for war.......  or are we?  It seems that
> much of our society is asleep about that, and the war that will come will be
> a surprise to many.
>
> The prophecies indicate great problems for the  tribes of Israel, i.e.
> "Jacob's trouble."  They also tell us of Yosef coming to the aid of Yehudah
> and the two families of Jacob burning up the evil forces that attack them.
> They also tell us of the time when "there shall be many slain of the L-RD."
> In the mean time we, "the small remnant" that is being called out now, is
> being prepared for shofar blast-related  tasks of our own. This Yom Teruah,
> let us all be conscious of that as we ask for forgiveness for our sins and
> the sins of our fathers, (please see the prayer composed to that effect:
> http://www.uniteourheart.com/Prayer-Projects/Prayer/Confession%20Prayers%20VI.pdf. Please use it as a guide for your own prayers for interceding on behalf of
> all Israel.  If I wish for anything for you all, is that we have the Divine
> Guidance restored to us
> all  to guide us for the task of the "remnant" of Israel in the last days.
> Let us all ask our Father for that and may you all be inscribed for that.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 27, 2008 3:43 PM
> *Subject:* Article from DEBKAfile - A 14-plane US airlift lands
> high-powered FBX radar in Israel with US personnel
>
> A 14-plane US airlift lands high-powered FBX radar in Israel with US
> personnel
> September 27, 2008, 5:17 PM (GMT+02:00)
>
> Huge US Air Force C-5 Galaxy and C-17 Globemaster III transports have
> ferried the high-powered FBX-T anti-missile radar to Israel's Nevatim Air
> Base south of Beersheba. DEBKAfile's military sources report that the
> transportable radar surveillance/forward-based X-band radar was accompanied
> by some 120 American European Command personnel. The area of its deployment
> at the Negev base has been fenced off and made off-limits to non-American
> personnel.
> This is the first time an Israel Defense Forces facility housing an
> American weapons system has been closed to Israeli military.
> The X-band radar has been deployed with cooling systems, generators,
> perimeter defense weaponry and dozens of technicians and security forces to
> operate and defend the installation.
> The Raytheon system can detect a flying object the size of a baseball at a
> distance of 4,700 km, fix on its speed and trajectory and convey the data to
> the Israeli Arrow anti-missile battery. This equals detecting an Iranian
> Shehab-3 ballistic missile 5.5 minutes after its launch, which means that it
> is picked up halfway on its 11-minute flight from Iran to bomb targets in
> Israel, adding precious minutes to Israel's response time for incoming
> missile attacks.
> Israel has furthermore been given improved access to US satellites capable
> of identifying missiles at the instant of their launch. Israel will now be
> directly linked to the satellites - albeit through the US Joint Tactical
> Ground Station ? JTAGS in Europe.
> Commenting on the FBX radar deployment, a Pentagon source said: First, we
> want to put Iran on notice that we're bolstering our capabilities throughout
> the region, and especially in Israel. But just as important, we're telling
> the Israelis, 'Calm down; behave. We're doing all we can to stand by you and
> strengthen defenses.'"
>
>
> *Copyright 2000-2007 DEBKAfile. All Rights Reserved.
> *
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From Correim at gninc.ca  Sun Sep 28 18:36:24 2008
From: Correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:36:24 -0500
Subject: [Dialogue] A Testimony and BARUCH HASHEM'S!!!
In-Reply-To: <1CD19C566EE044F69286ABE13BAD5A77@bettygivin>
References: <1CD19C566EE044F69286ABE13BAD5A77@bettygivin>
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Hi Betty and yours
And all of you. Betty you have been such a blessing and balm to my heart 
already so many a time. And were it not for the trials we all face, 
being counted worthy to bear so that we can feel with each other. When 
we came here from Belize, 32 years ago when we moved to Canada, we had 
to start with $200.00 in our pocket with a family of 8 children, . We 
finally owned a nice old farmstead close to the river. Our children 
loved it too. But we too lost this place to a flood. Although it was 
hard to give up this place, we were better off financially by getting it 
more than reimbursed by the Government, as they wanted to build a dam 
right over our place. But I still have to work hard to get other debts 
paid for. But its so good to hear that you seemed to see the financial 
stress being taken care of. Or, are you by any chance right in a flood 
or path of one of the tornadoes again?

Concerning these e-mails, I am finally getting to see a little light at 
the end of the tunnel as it were, to see if I can catch up with the 
them, it is now Yum Terua as Steve explains it. It touches my heart in 
repentance, when I look into the teachings related to them, starting to 
feel how deeply the chosen people of Israel were blessed with the wisdom 
of the Torah, a guide to better living. I want to take it to heart, 
realizing more and more that there is great potential as we learn what 
benefits we derive through faithfulness to it's teaching. Even though 
the people of the book have failed so often, so have I. And now I can 
learn by their example of what it takes to leave the old leaven  behind 
and look forward to have a chance to do better in the future. Baruch 
Hashem!!!

Cornie


Betty Givin wrote:
>
> Dear Brothers and Sisters
>
>  
>
> I literally don't even have a spare minute to read any of the postings 
> to the list anymore and I certainly don't have any time to write, yet 
> I must.  Let me just say that on a personal level, Roger and I have 
> been richly blessed, yet are overwhelmed with number of hours we must 
> put in to our work that we have prayed for...12 hours a day, 
> minimum...but it has been 16 most days and night before last, it was 
> 24 for me...I had to stay up all night to catch up and worked thru the 
> day yesterday, which was our Anniversary...and neither one of us even 
> remembered.  I just noticed it when I looked at the calendar a minute 
> ago when I put down Hanoch's name on my calendar to mark his speaking 
> date to the Messianic Israel Alliance on Tisha B'Av...
>
>  
>
> *BARUCH HASHEM, HANOCH!!!  BARUCH HASHEM FOR YOU, AND FOR YOUR 
> WILLINGNESS TO REACH OUT TO YOUR EPHRAMITE FAMILY!!! As in the days of 
> old, it is Judah reaching out to Joseph on behalf of little 
> Benjamin...in fact he was interceding, as are for all his brothers*!
>
>  
>
> This past year and a half has been one of the most difficult periods 
> in my life and in the life of my entire family, for we have been 
> surrounded by problems and hurts from death, illness..emotional, 
> physical, mental, not to mention financial.  Over the past year and a 
> half, some of you may know, that aside from a very small and 
> inconsistent income from my substitute teaching, that we have been out 
> of work since we were both laid off from our jobs.  And of course, not 
> knowing that this was going to happen, this was the time that we chose 
> to purchase a home( not exactly very good timing on our parts)...our 
> first one since our original home was destroyed in a flood 14 years 
> ago!  There have been a lot of complications with Roger's health.  He 
> has been in the hospital several times and we have barely been able to 
> hold our heads above water... I don't really want or need to go into 
> all the details, but wanted to tell you that much, so that you will be 
> able to appreciate the tremendous blessing that HaShem is now giving 
> us, and hopefully, we will be able to dig ourselves out of this 
> financial "pit" we have been in!  HaShem has been and I know will 
> continue to me my strength!!!  And although the family situations are 
> still hard, there is light at the end of the tunnel there too!
>
>  
>
> *BARUCH HASHEM!!!! He is MY G-D AND I WILL PRAISE HIM FOR ALL HE HAS 
> DONE !!!*
>
>  
>
> In addition to our getting some temporary work this past week...which 
> has kept us working like crazy, Roger now has a new, and we pray, 
> permanent job, with Countrywide Insurance, which he started today!!! 
> And now, that we have a portion of our income that we need to sustain 
> us and begin to pay off our debts, may HaShem also bless me with a 
> teaching job in the fall.
>
>  
>
> *BARUCH HASHEM FOR ROGER'S JOB, AND FOR THE JOB HE HAS IN STORE FOR ME!!!*
>
> * *
>
> I have only read some of the posts...it is so hard as I sit here at my 
> computer reviewing catastrophe claims to hear the little "dings" to 
> alert me of new emails, and see all the ones coming thru and know that 
> I cannot read them...but at least I know you guys are out there and 
> that there is excitement among you...and amidst the dread and 
> forebodings of all that is going on, we can be thankful that HaShem 
> has given us one another and that we can stand in the GAP for each 
> other, for our fellow Ephramites, for  Judah, and for KOL Y'SRAEL  as 
> we join together in Steve's Confessional Prayer in solidarity!!!
>
>  
>
> *BARUCH HASHEM THAT HE HAS GIVEN US ONE ANOTHER AND THE PRIVILEDGE TO 
> PRAY AND STAND IN THE GAP!!!*
>
>  
>
> In The Yeshua thread / standing in the GAP PRs, Steve Mathe wrote...
>
>  
>
> This past Shabbat, we read, Beha'alotcha / (when you kindle) parsha, 
> where the Menorah is kindled. Its haftara is from Zachariah, where we 
> are told of the restoration of the high priest, and what he must do. I 
> feel this is a turning point parsha week in all our personal and 
> collective lives.  If we do our repentance, we will be able to take up 
> our priestly positions as "the firstborn" in Zachariah 5, and 
> intercede for the rest of Israel, (PR. Isa. 58:9).  May the fire of 
> the holy Spirit of the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob be kindled in 
> you and over you... may you all be empowered to do the repentance we 
> all need to do, and to do all our portions in the Work  of Elijah / Eli Y
>
>  
>
> This passage has been special to me for many years on many 
> levels...The Menorah as many of you know was all cast from one piece 
> of gold...so each of the branches are connected to one another and to 
> the center.  I read that as the lights are 'kindled," their flames all 
> sort of 'flow' to the center...And in that flowing to the center, each 
> of them is connected to the other and keeps the other one burning.  I 
> am sure you have witnessed candles as they flicker, and how one can 
> ignite another when the flicker of one is dying down...I have often 
> thought that we are like candles...yes, Steve, "may the fire of the 
> Holy Spirit of the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob be kindled" in each 
> of us and may we spread it to one another and to the four corners of 
> the earth!!!
>
>  
>
> *BARUCH HASHEM FOR THE WONDROUS TEACHINGS IN THE TORAH, FOR BRINGING 
> IT TO OUR HEARTS, MINDS AND SOULS... AND FOR THE FIRE OF THE HOLY 
> SPIRT OF OUR G-D THAT HE HAS PLACED IN EACH OF US SO THAT WE MIGHT 
> SHINE FORTH!!!*
>
> * *
>
> It is so wonderful that so many of our group is in or going to be in 
> the HOLY CITY together, and some even digging on Mt. Zion!!!  And that 
> you are going Tracey and have committed to pray at Rachel's tomb and 
> stand in the gap for the Ephramites, and that brother Hanoch of Judah 
> may be able to go with you!!!
>
>  
>
> BARUCH HASHEM FOR THOSE AMONG US WHO ARE ABLE TO MAKE TREKS TO 
> Y'RUSHALAYIM ON BEHALF OF US ALL!!!
>
>  
>
> II would love to write and share more, but I truly must get to 
> work...I have a long day and will need to be working into the night 
> again, but I just wanted to express my love and my gratitude for each 
> of you...I won't name names because I don't want to leave anyone 
> out...but all of you are unique and special and I am so thankful that 
> you have been placed in my life!!!
>
>  
>
> *BARUCH HASHEM FOR ALL OF YOU!!!*
>
>  
>
> Much love and many, many blessings!!!
>
>  
>
> Elisheva/Betty
>
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep 28 20:45:50 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:45:50 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Dreaming of Moshiach: Most Inspiring Video
In-Reply-To: <48DF79C7.1080605@westnet.com.au>
References: <48DF79C7.1080605@westnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <855590370809281845h63c7d04dscb62dd615cf63b5f@mail.gmail.com>

Shalom Joe,

     Thanks for sending the video link, I found it very special.  The prayer
they quote from is the one that I have found most meaningful (and
memorable), way back from my childhood.

      Toda achi, Shana Tova,
            * Hanoch

*
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 5:34 AM, JOE INDOMENICO <jid at westnet.com.au> wrote:

> *Shalom Chaverim,
>
> some last minute thoughts before Rosh HaShana.
> Very pertinent and thought provoking thoughts as many pray this prayer
> during this awesome of awesome high holy days.
>
> May HaShem have mercy on all of us.
>
> Shalom v'Ahavah
> JOE.
> *http://dreamingofmoshiach.blogspot.com/2008/09/who-shall-live.html
>
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From youngbarzel at gmail.com  Sun Sep 28 20:53:55 2008
From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:53:55 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Israel to attack?
Message-ID: <855590370809281853u1e695aa4j25dca0a0ceea9649@mail.gmail.com>

The op-ed piece below was forwarded to me; I thought you might want to read
it...

Shana Tova,
       * Hanoch*
**
 Opinion piece from one Robert Bear in yesterday's NY Daily News. It's not
pretty.
-jps
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Bet on Israel bombing Iran*
By Robert Baer

Saturday, September 27th 2008, 6:45 PM

Are we going to have an October surprise, an attack on Iran by either the
Bush administration or by Israel to stop the regime from becoming a nuclear
power?

It could happen - and alter the dynamics of the presidential race in the
blink of an eye - but only if Israel pulls the trigger. Don't expect the
United States to drop bombs anytime soon. The reason: Iran has us over a
barrel.

According to Britain's Guardian newspaper, Bush earlier this year nixed an
Israeli plan to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. Reportedly, the President
said no because we couldn't afford Iranian retaliation against our troops in
Iraq and Afghanistan or Iran closing down Persian Gulf shipping.
Nonetheless, cynical speculation is now swirling in some quarters that with
the financial collapse working against McCain - and Bush's legacy coming
into focus - the President might reconsider. Could that tail really wag the
dog?

Probably not. The fundamental global power dynamics have not changed. Iran
has successfully blackmailed us. Iranian Silkworm missiles could close down
Gulf oil exports in a matter of minutes, taking about 17 million barrels a
day of oil off world markets. Americans could suddenly be looking at the
prospect of $10-$12 for a gallon of gas. If the collapse of Wall Street
doesn't push us into a depression, that would. And Bush is right: An angered
Iran could punish us with thousands of extra casualties in Iraq and
Afghanistan, as Iranian-trained, armed and funded fighters flow back into
the war zones with a vengeance.

So, giving the go ahead to Israel would just not be worth it.

But none of this changes the fact that Israel - on its own, without U.S.
complicity - is moving closer to a decision to attack Iran, almost by the
day.

What many Americans miss is that Iran is a threat to Israel's very
existence, not an imagined danger used by politicians for political
advantage. Every Israeli city is within range of Iranian/Hezbollah rockets.
To make matters worse, since the July 2006 34-day war, Hezbollah may have as
much as trebled the number of rockets it has targeted on Israel.

Meantime, Hezbollah has become the de facto state in Lebanon. And lest we
forget, Israel lost that July 2006 war to Hezbollah, pulling its troops out
of Lebanon without having obtained a single objective. In other words,
Israel no longer has its deterrence credibility, the fear that it can
decisively retaliate against its enemies.

Israel knows that international diplomacy against Iran up until now has been
a farce. Iran called Bush's bluff, ignored sanctions and continued its
nuclear program with impunity. And if the Israelis needed another
psychological kick in the pants, last week North Korea announced that it is
back to building a bomb, likewise with impunity.

Finally, Israel has to calculate that American influence around the world is
on the wane. Americans are tired of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And
now, after the war in Georgia, Russia is opening up its flow of weapons to
Iran.

Couple all of this with Israel's suspicion that Iran is within only a few
short years of having a nuclear bomb, and Israel knows time is not on its
side. It is starting to believe that it has no choice but to change its
fortunes with arms.

This much is certain. Whether the President is named Bush, McCain or Obama,
he will either have to prepare for war in the Gulf or find a way to bring
Iran back into the nation-state system. The day of reckoning is near.

I myself think a deal can be cut with Iran. During the last 30 years, Iran
has gone from a terrorist, revolutionary power to far more rational,
calculating regional hegemon. Its belligerence today has more to do with a
weakened United States and Israel than with any plans to start World War
III.

The question is what price Iran would exact for a settlement. Or more to the
point: Would we prefer to take our chances with an Israeli surprise?

*Baer, a former CIA case officer, is author of the just-released "The Devil
We Know: Dealing with the New Iranian Superpower."*
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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Thu Sep 25 23:56:12 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:56:12 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: Hurricane Gustav 
Message-ID: <092620080456.22807.48DC6B6C0002BAC50000591722230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net>


--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 


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From: "CARLSON, JOHN S" <JCARLSO at entergy.com> 
To: <carlson_john at bellsouth.net> 
Subject: FW: Hurricane Gustav 
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:50:02 +0000 




-----Original Message-----
From: EAST, JOHN L 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:51 PM
To: TOUPS, JEFFERY D; Umshler, Daniel L; Hall, Douglas W; COX, BARRY L; LINTON, ANTHONY; MCCOY, JACK W; BIBB, STEVEN; POLAN, DAVE; REYNOLDS, JEFFREY W; ELLIS, DWIGHT; BLANCHARD, TERRY
Cc: PATIN, BRIAN W; KRAUSE, GLENN M; ORGERON, ANGELA M; CARLSON, JOHN S
Subject: Hurricane Gustav 

Guys,

In talking with my neighbor who is the regional Entergy Manager, and he told me that much of the damage to their transmission towers was due to the power lines swinging in the wind and setting up a harmonic rhythm that eventually caused the steel towers to crumble.

He showed me the bellow video to illustrate the effects of Hurricane Gustav

John
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From tposborne77 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 26 18:17:35 2008
From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:17:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] The BRANCH
Message-ID: <834190.20819.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear Brethren/Sistren,
?
??????? I have proposed from the Scriptures that The BRANCH [Tsemek] was to be sent [shalach] from HaShem: This makes him a ?sent one? [a Shaliach or an Apostle]. It is he who will build, or, head up the building of the Holy Temple. (However, that does not mean that current efforts and preparations are fruitless.) I have proposed that this BRANCH is the one to come that would be "like unto" Moses according to Dt 18:15 & 18.
??? ??? I have provided verbal links from Zachariah, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and the Psalms. These links form many ?strokes of the brush?, so to speak, that paint the picture of the person being described.
??? ??? I must agree with Dr. Tabor, that this one is not anointed by a man, but is Anointed directly by HaShem even as was Moshe Rabbeinu. Moshe stood as an intermediary [a mediator] between HaShem and the people. The Covenant at Sinai was mediated through Moshe. There was no one to pour oil upon his head and give him his commission and authority. It was a direct communication to him. In like manner, The BRANCH will not be anointed with oil by any man, it will be a direct communication and commission. He will show evidence before the people and there will be no doubt as to whom he is and who has sent him, except for those who resist, even as many resisted Moshe.
??? ??? He, like Moshe, will sit and purify the sons of Levi and appoint the High Priest. He will be the one pouring the oil upon the heads of those whom he appoints. The Glory of HaShem will be upon his face, as it was with Moshe. He will be the New Moshe, inaugurating, implementing, and carrying out the plans of HaShem. 
?
??? ??? Obviously he will be anointed by HaShem even as was Moshe. There are many who are anointed but there was only one Moshe and there will be only one called "The BRANCH". Even though there are many mashiach?s, there is only one whom we call "The Mashiach" and "The BRANCH".
??? ??? I have connected the universal calling of this BRANCH with a few verses in the Psalms in previous posts. I seem to be working my way backward in the Prophets rather than the normal method of beginning at the beginning. It simply worked out this way. I want to show some more connections beginning with Psalm Two, showing that The BRANCH is the long awaited Mashiach - The seed of David.?
Psalm 2:2The kings of the earth stand up, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against His Anointed: 2:7
?
??????? Notice we have HaShem and His Anointed. Notice that HaShem calls him "My son". Notice the universality that is spoken of. Is this speaking of David himself, or the extention of David through his seed. The prophets seem to speak of raising up one UNTO David. You might say that David?s seed is his own shaliach carried through the generations. Samuel anointed David and his Seed, who was yet in his loins.?Sometimes the verses seem to speak directly of David and other times it is speaking of his seed. Obviously, the promises were not only to David, but unto David and his Seed.
?
Psa 18:43...thou hast made me?The Head of the nations...
Psa 18:49Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name. 
Psa 18:50Great deliverance He gives to His king; and shows mercy to His anointed, to David, and to his seed for evermore. David AND his Seed are HaShem's anointed. He and/or his Seed?is made The Head of the nations.
?
Comparing this again with Zachariah, it becomes evident that THE Maschiach is THE Branch.
?
Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion ; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem : behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just [a Tsadiq], and having salvation [Yasha]; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Zec 9:10 And I [HaShem] will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem , and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he [The Young Man - The BRANCH?] shall speak peace unto the nations: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
??? ??? Notice the universality of this conflict and the universality of HaShem?s gift to this Anointed Son - "the nations for thine inheritance", and the ends of the earth for thy possession". This same language, I have demonstrated speaks of The BRANCH. The reach of The BRANCH goes far beyond what David ever experienced or even his seed Solomon, the successor to his throne. The outreach of The BRANCH begins with his people, Judah and Israel, but spreads out to the ends of the earth.
??? ??? David was anointed by the prophet Samuel. Moshe was not anointed by any man. Though The BRANCH is the seed of David, he nonetheless is one like unto Moshe and is anointed directly without a prophet. The verse above is a prophetic Psalm of David, but the words of The BRANCH seem to be in his mouth speaking of the latter days as we have described previously about the Book of Joel.
??? ??? I have echoed Dr. Tabor some, I think, pointing out that there are apparently three persons, a triad of anointed ones who will be on the scene at the end. The BRANCH, directly anointed and sent by Hashem, along with a King like unto David anointed by The BRANCH, and also a High Priest also anointed by The BRANCH.
There seems to have been such an expectation among those in the first century. In the book of Matthew, the mother of James and John came requesting that Rabbi Yeshua of Nazareth appoint her sons to be on his right and left hand. This event happened after Peter, James, and John, had gone up on a Mountain with Rabbi Yeshua and was transfigured before them. Moses and Elijah appeared alongside him. Discussion and argument about this among the disciples must have spread a little further, to the authorities for they seem to have wanted to make a mockery and a ?statement? about this when Rabbi Yeshua was nailed to a tree on the Mt of Olives, between two criminals. 
Kepha [Peter] later spoke of the import of this in one of his epistles,?
2Peter 1:16
his Zachariah Triad Motif, is reflected again in The Book of Revelation in Chapters 10 and 11. To me,?this??is a Malak [angel] that descends placing one foot on The Land and the other on the Sea. This is The BRANCH. In Chapter 11, John is given a rod to measure the temple[compare with the young man in Zachariah 2] and there are TWO WITNESSES who obviously are like Moses and Elijah in authority and power. [There are various interpretations concerning these two witnesses. I lean toward seeing them as a composite picture of the role of Messiah ben Joseph - already accomplished in the life and death of Yeshua of Nazareth.?His role of Messiah ben David is coming soon!! If this interpretation is correct, then the Triad Motif has already been fulfilled.]?
?
??? There can be no doubt, and I can demonstrate it quite thoroughly if need be, that The Shlichim [Apostles] of Yeshua of Nazareth?considered that "The MASHIACH",?"The BRANCH", and The Coming Prophet?like MOSES?was one and the same person - Yeshua?son of Joseph, son of David.?
?
Like Moses and David, The BRANCH is also called,?a?SHEPHERD", a TSADIK, having salvation - [Zachariah 9:9].
One can notice other parallels in The Testimony [HaEdot] concerning Rabbi Yeshua: 
He was Anointed directly by HaShem, directly - not by the Prophet Yochanan ha Matbil (John The Baptist). He spoke as one ?face to face? with HaShem.
?
Love & Prayers,
?
Tracy
www.TheHouseOfJoseph.comFor we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Yeshua ha Mashiach, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased". 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. KJV??I will tell of the decree: the LORD said unto me: 'Thou art My son, this day have I begotten thee. 8Ask of Me, and I will give the nations for thine inheritance, and the ends of the earth for thy possession. 9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.' JPS Translation


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----- Original Message ----
From: Tracy Osborne <tposborne77 at yahoo.com>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:59:10 AM
Subject: [Dialogue] The BRANCH


There were?2 "branches" to this Original Subject of Noachide precepts?that sprouted forth from the 'stump' of Marvin: 
#1) Marvin followed by me and Steve, and then,
#2) Marvin?started followed by James and myself.
Due to the lengthy nature of this 'branch' I'm going to introduce it under the subject line of "The Branch". For the sake of those who may not have kept up with this, I am copying the conversation under this new subject line for your convenience. If you have not followed this you might want to start at the beginning.
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Isa 4:2
?In that day shall The BRANCH?{tsemech} of the LORD be beautiful and glorious....Isa 9:6(9:5)For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele- joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom; Isa 9:7(9:6)That the government may be increased, and of peace there be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it through justice and through righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts doth perform this. JPS Translation
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Isa 11:1 And there shall come fortha?Twig [choter]?2415out of the?stumpof Jesse,and a?Sprout [a netsar]5342shall growout of his roots [sheresh]: {In this verse, [choter, a netsar, sheresh] there is a composite picture here, elsewhere described asThe BRANCH.
This Shaliach, who will rebuild the Temple, and purge the sons of Levi - HE IS LIKE UNTO MOSES - An Agent Sent and ANOINTED BY HASHEM TO PREPARE THE WAY AND THE HOLY PLACE FOR HASHEM}Isa 11:2And the spiritof the LORDshall restuponhim, the spiritof wisdomand understanding,the spiritof counseland might,the spiritof knowledgeand of the fearof the LORD;Isa 11:3And shall make him of quick understandingin the fearof the LORD:and he shall notjudgeafter the sightof his eyes,neitherreproveafter the hearingof his ears:Isa 11:4But with righteousnessshall he judgethe poor,and reprovewith equityfor the meekof the earth:and he shall smitethe earthwith the rodof his mouth,and with the breathof his lipsshall he slaythe wicked.
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UPON THE THRONE OF DAVID, IN?THE TENT OF DAVID, THE BRANCH SHALL SIT
Isa 16:5And in mercyshall the thronebe established:and he shall situponit in truth
in the tabernacleof David,judging,and seekingjudgment,and hastingrighteousness.
Jer 23:5Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David {this is not David}?a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. Jer 23:6
Jer 33:15In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
Jer 33:16In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the namewherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.Notice how this ties in with Joel 3 below.?
??In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this ishis name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Isa 1:26And I {HaShem, thru the process that HE HIMSELF inaugurates thru His Shaliach, The BRANCH} will restorethy judges as at the first, and thy counselors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, "The cityof righteousness,the faithfulcity."Isa 1:27?Zionshall be redeemed {ransomed}6299with judgment,and her converts {returnees}with righteousness.

TURNING TO THE BOOK OF JOEL

Joel 3:1(4:1)For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring back the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, 
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During this time-period described in verse 1:
(A) The BRANCH comes forth with signs and wonders,?and Sits down on The Throne of David in The Tent of David. He?unites 
??? ??? Yehudah by establishing and clarifying?The Precepts of the Torah among the Elders of the Land {Isaiah 11:1}
??????? "...and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee." {Zachariah 2:11b}
(B)? Great Repentance, weeping & mourning will begin?as?the spirit of grace and supplications is poured out {Zachariah 12:10}?
(C) ?The High Priest, and?then, The Sons of Levi are purified {Zachariah?3 & Malachi 3}
(D)? The Temple is Built {Zachariah 6:12, 13}
(E)? The Glory of HaShem descends upon The Temple into the Holy of Holies {Malachi 3:5 ; Zachariah 14:5}
(F)? The surrounding nations grow angry with the pronouncements and the actions being taken, and so, they, attempt to?attack ??? ??? ??? Judah and?Jerusalem, but HaShem is its defense. {Zachariah 2:5}
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Summaraizing:
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HASHEM?sends
The BRANCH - The Menorah - His Shaliach like unto Moses
{himself a Priest & King, like unto Moses, and like unto Malchi-Zedek, and like unto David}
The 2 Olive Trees are?
...DAVIDIC?Descendent?- like unto Zerubavel?????? ?and a?????????The HIGH PRIEST like unto Yehoshua...
They stand on the right & left hand of The Lord of the Whole Earth (HaShem in the person of His Shaliach)
The Branch Comes First followed by The High Priest and King, and then, 
HaShem descends. 
After the attack on Judah & Jerusalem, And HASHEM's Deliverance
The BRANCH is exalted as The Greatest of the Kings of the earth. 
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See this pattern with Moses in Numbers 17:10-16
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HASHEM sends
Moses, like unto The BRANCH to come?- The Menorah - His Shaliach
{himself a Priest & King, and like unto Malchi-Zedek}
The 2 Olive Trees are
Hur ben Yehudah????? and a????? Aaron ben Levi
They stand on the right & left hand of The Lord of the Whole Earth (HaShem in the person of His Shaliach)
Moses (The Shaliach)
Yehoshua ben Nun ben Ephraim conquers Amalek
Moses builds an altar
HASHEM comes down on Mt Sinai
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?There is more to this pattern; However, I'll save it for later.??
Zec 6:13
[#1] sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall 
[#2]be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both [The Kingship & The Priesthood]. 
Psa 89:27Also I will make him myfirstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
Psa 72:8?? He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.
Zec 9:9??? Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he isjust[tsadiq?], and having salvation[a savior/deliverer; lowly[humble],?and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Zec 9:10And??I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the nations: and his dominion shall befrom sea evento sea, and from the river evento the ends of the earth.
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I havn't forgotten Joel.?Joel 3:1(4:1)For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring back the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, 
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Following the pattern already stated, HASHEM COMES to His Temple
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Joel 3:2(4:2)I {HaShem} will gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will enter into judgment with them there for My people and for My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and divided My land. (4:3)And they have cast lots for My people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, and have drunk. (4:4)And also what are ye to Me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the regions of Philistia? will ye render retribution on My behalf? and if ye render retribution on My behalf, swiftly, speedily will I return your retribution upon your own head. (4:5)Forasmuch as ye have taken My silver and My gold, and have carried into your temples My goodly treasures; (4:6)the children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the sons of Jevanim, that ye might remove them far from their border; (4:7)behold, I will stir them up out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will
 return your retribution upon your own head; (4:8)and I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the men of Sheba, to a nation far off; for the LORD hath spoken. (4:9)Proclaim ye this among the nations, prepare war; stir up the mighty men; let all the men of war draw near, let them come up. (4:10)Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning-hooks into spears; let the weak say: 'I am strong.' (4:11)Haste ye, and come, all ye nations round about, and gather yourselves together; thither cause Thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD! (4:12)Let the nations be stirred up, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat; for there will I sit to judge all the nations round about. (4:13)Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe; come, tread ye, for the winepress is full, the vats overflow; for their wickedness is great. (4:14)Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD
 is near in the valley of decision. (4:15)The sun and the moon are become black, and the stars withdraw their shining. (4:16)And the LORD shall roar from Zion, and utter His voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and the earth shall shake; but the LORD will be a refuge unto His people, and a stronghold to the children of Israel. (4:17)So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God, dwelling in Zion My holy mountain; then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. (4:18)And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down sweet wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the brooks of Judah shall flow with waters; and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim. (4:19)Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land. (4:20)But
 Judah shall be inhabited for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation. (4:21)And I will hold as innocent their blood that I have not held as innocent; and the LORD dwelleth in Zion. 
Joel 3:3 
Joel 3:4 
Joel 3:5 
Joel 3:6 
Joel 3:7 
Joel 3:8 
Joel 3:9 
Joel 3:10 
Joel 3:11 
Joel 3:12 
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Joel 3:14 
Joel 3:15 
Joel 3:16 
Joel 3:17 
Joel 3:18 
Joel 3:19 
Joel 3:20 
Joel 3:21 ?And he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall 
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----- Original Message ----
From: Tracy Osborne <tposborne77 at yahoo.com>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 7:38:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Noahide precepts


Hello Marvin,
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I did as you suggested. However, 'the flow' still suggests to me, that this refining process is being carried out by HaShem's Messenger. This refining process seems to be?part of the 'preparing the way' for HaShem's return. I'm trying to pay close attention to the contrast of the "I" and "he". I realize translations differ slightly in punctuation.
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??????????? Mal 3:1....And?The Messenger {Malachi - Shaliach - The BRANCH} of the Covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. 

HaShem comes after "the way" is prepared in verse five:
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??? Mal 3:5And I will come near to you to judgment...
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Thanks,
Tracy
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----- Original Message ----
From: mhyde <mhyde7 at tds.net>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 5:53:15 AM
Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Noahide precepts


Tracy,
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I have not forgotten you, been really busy.?? Take another look at verse 2 and 3. Is the ?his?, ?he? referring to the messenger or to the one doing the sending?? I would suggested the refiner and one who does the purifying is none other then Hashem.
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Shalom
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From:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Osborne
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:04 PM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Noahide precepts
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Sirs, with your permission, may I continue, fully open to your imput:
Many directions to "branch" out here [no pun intended]; However,?may I?follow this vein for now?
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It is quite appropo that I move on to Malachi Chapter 3 here, especially since "The BRANCH" is?one of the?subjects of the first blessing that our brother Yehudah prays daily,?The Amidah Prayer, and is 'capped', so to speak, with this chapter three verse three. ?How marvelous the sages have arranged this prayer!!!? And I encourage ALL Ephramites to begin to pray this AMIDAH prayer!! For it encapsulates the prophetic flow of the prophets!!
Mal 3:1 Behold, I {HaShem} will send {shalach} My Messenger {Malachi - Shaliach[sent one]?- The BRANCH}, and he {the Shaliach - The BRANCH} shall prepare the way before me {HaShem}: and the Lord {HaShem}, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His Temple {which has been rebuilt by The BRANCH - remember Zachariah 6:12, 13}.?And?The Messenger {Malachi - Shaliach - The BRANCH} of the Covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. 
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming {The One Like Unto Moses - Malachi - Shaliach - The BRANCH}? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto The LORD an offering in righteousness.
Mal 3:4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto The LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years. 
Apparently then, Y-a-h-u-w-e-h? E-lo-him does not come until sometime AFTER "The BRANCH" comes and sets "his feet" upon the Mount of Olives, gathers and reveals himself to the Elders, and then, they & he, will rebuild The Beit HaMikdash {The Temple}.
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THIS PROPHET LIKE UNTO MOSES {The Malachi, The Shaliach, The BRANCH} prepares the service for The Temple.
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
Mal 3:4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years. 
We shall turn unto Joel next...
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Love & Prayers,
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Tracy
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----- Original Message ----
From: Tracy Osborne <tposborne77 at yahoo.com>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:35:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Noahide precepts
For your consideration and comment. 
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With Dr. Tabor?s words, I?m reminded that
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Several years ago, while I slept, I was given a Dream/Vision:
I sat with the Scriptures in front of me. Someone stood behind me, reaching over my shoulder pointing down to the prophets. He drew forth a theme and stated it this way: 
"WHEN HE COMES, THE NATIONS SHALL LIFT UP A BANNER DECLARING, ?Y-H-W-H REIGNS?. I awakened. 
The "HE" was not identified; But, I have always assumed that it meant the coming of the Messiah.
Maybe I assumed wrong - The "HE" could very well have meant HaShem Himself. But....maybe not. You will not catch me murmuring and complaining either way. However, I?ll take a closer look. Y?all let me know what you think...No doubt that the varying 1st, 2nd, 3rd, person speech, with the several personalities involved in Zachariah gets complicated....and I don?t claim to have it all together...this may take a little meditation....but, here goes...
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Zec 2:1I [Zachariah] lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a manwith a measuring line in his hand. Zec 2:2 Then said I [Zachariah] , Whither goest thou? And hesaid unto me, "To measure Jerusalem , to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof." Zec 2:3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him, Zec 2:4 And said unto him, "Run, speak to this young man, saying, "Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein: Zec 2:5 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her."
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{ Does this YOUNG MAN begin to speak in the first person in verse 6? And,
if so, is he The Prophet like unto Moses, in whose mouth, HaShem puts His words?Remember the verse: 
Deut 18:15The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.}
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Zec 2:6 "Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.
Zec 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwells with the daughter of Babylon .
Zec 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath HE [HaShem] sent me[the young man] unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that touches you touches the apple of HIS [HaShem] eye. 
Zec 2:9 For, behold, I [the young man] will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me [the young man]. 
Zec 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion : for, lo, I come[the young man], and I [the young man]will dwellin the midst of thee, saith the LORD. 
Zec 2:11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be mypeople: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent meunto thee. 
Zec 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. 
Zec 2:13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation." 
In the next chapter, Is this, BRANCH [Tsemech], not the same as the young man spoken of in chapter 2? 
Zec 3:8 HaShem says "... I will bring forth my servant, the BRANCH [TSEMECH]..."
And then, we have 2 anointed ones standing before The BRANCH: Let?s save them for later!
Zec 4:14 Then said he, "These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. 
[Is not The BRANCH [TSEMECH] the human Lord of the whole earth? - notice the Zacharaiah 9:10 - under HaShem?s Lordship, of course! Plenty of prophetic verses come to mind, if you?re unsure of this.].
HASHEM SPEAKS OF THE BRANCH TO THE DAUGHTERS OF JERUSALEM
Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion ; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem : behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just [a Tsadiq], and having salvation [Yasha]; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Zec 9:10 And I [HaShem] will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem , and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he [The Young Man - The BRANCH?] shall speak peace unto the nations: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
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AND THEN, HASHEM SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO THE BRANCH
Zec 9:11 As for thee also [ the young man - the BRANCH], by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
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BACKING UP A BIT...LET?S TEST AGAIN...TO SEE IF THERE CONTINUES TO BE COHERENCY IN MY ASSERTION THAT "the young man is The Branch" SENT BY HaShem:
Zec 6:9 And the word of the LORD came unto me [Zacahariah], saying, 
Zec 6:10 "Take of them of the captivity, even of Heldai, of Tobijah, and of Jedaiah, which are come from Babylon, and come thou the same day, and go into the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah; Zec 6:11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;"
Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, "Thus speaks the LORD of hosts, saying, ?Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and heshall grow up [branch] out of his place, and heshall build the temple of the LORD: Zec 6:13 Even heshall build the temple of the LORD; 
and heshall bear the glory, {Remember: Zachariah 2:8 "...After the glory hath HE [HaShem] sent me..."}
and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and heshall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both....?" 
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So, WHO ARE WE LOOKING FOR TO APPEAR FIRST? THE SENDER OR THE SENT ONE???
DOES THE YOUNG MAN SPEAK AGAIN?
Zec 6:15 And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of the LORD, and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of the LORD, your God.
Zec 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man [gheber 1397 - the young man?] that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered...
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IN CHAPTER 14: THERE SEEMS TO BE A PROGRESSION FROM 
VERSE 4 : First: THE SENT ONE [THE BRANCH]
VERSE 5: Second: THE SENDER finally comes with His Holy Ones
Is this not a progression? I, personally, lean toward the thought that this represents a perfect example of The Shaliach completely embodying the Sender {**see the principle spelled out below}. Is there not a progression from verse 4 to verse 5?
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives...
{"his feet"....Is this not "the young man, The BRANCH, The Shepherd...The Gheber...my fellow...The Prophet like unto Moses with the words of HaShem in his mouth?}
Zec 14:5 ...and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. 
Surely, it makes no sense, that HASHEM?s FEET stand on the mount of olives and then, ...the LORD my G-d shall come....
How can HE Come, when HE is already here, standing on the Mount of Olives ? Surely, it is The Branch, HIS Shaliach, who stands upon the Mt of Olives first???
The end result will be thus:
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
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**The BRANCH is SENT/Shalach
A Sent One/A SHALIACH / An APOSTLE
A sent one is an agent. And this invokes the LAW OF AGENCY...
In discussing the mechanism of legal agency, Jewish law sees the "principal" [the sender] working through the "emissary" [the sent one] in three possible ways: 
1) The emissary's [the sent one?s] final achievement is attributed to the principal [the Sender] 
2) The emissary's [the sent one?s] every action is attributed to the principal [the Sender]
3) The emissary [the sent one] completely embodies the principal [the Sender].
We can see this principle spelled out very clearly in The Torah and Prophets. Can we not?
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Love & Prayers,
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Tracy
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----- Original Message ----
From: Tracy Osborne <tposborne77 at yahoo.com>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:27:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Noahide precepts
Shalom James & Marvin,
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Very interesting conversation. I wonder if this is what?this mother was thinking of when she was?making her request?
Mat 20:20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
Mat 20:21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. 
Mat 20:22 But?Yeshua answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. 
Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
So, seemingly, the center position is taken (the one like unto Moses), that is, while we can wonder about the two assistants. 
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I'll probably be watching FOX rather than CNN, but, I'm sure they'll all be carrying this live - that is, if New York is still standing. 
Love & Prayers,
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Tracy
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----- Original Message ----
From: James Tabor <jamesdtabor at earthlink.net>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:06:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Noahide precepts

Marvin, 
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I think you are right on with this reading of the Prophets though I am not sure the "moshiach" is the main one awaited, but rather the Prophet like Moses, whom Zechariah calls the "Adon" of the earth, before whom the two messiahs stand. Indeed, they are his assistants. He is the one who anoints but is not himself anointed--by any human at least. As you know, we have discussed this for many years, the three figures, with the middle one representing HaShem directly, as Moses did.?
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That seems to be the clear meaning of Zechariah 2:10-13 [vs in Hebrew text are 2:14-17], and as you note, HaShem SENDS this one, who speaks here in the 1st person. This language is very strange and was pointed out by David Horowitz many times, and it is the same "style" of reference we find with Moses, e.g. Deut 29:1-5 (note carefully the pronouns, with Moses as speaker). The one who speaks "mouth to mouth" with HaShem is center stage, assisted by his two anointed ones. Both the Christian and the Jewish exclusive focus on the Davidic figure puts this out of balance. You will remember I cover this extensively in Restoring Abrahamic Faith, and the new edition will go into it even more clearly.
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Zechariah is the key text, from start to finish. I think only in Zech 8-14 do you get some sense of the "chronology" of things, in terms of how they unfold. All eyes turn to Jerusalem . I also think you are correct to see that this is not just bells and whistles and cosmic display. It will come in history, just as did the Exodus, and only gradually will various peoples understand. In other words, it will be covered by CNN, so to speak...
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Take care,
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James
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On Aug 13, 2008, at 8:12 AM, mhyde wrote:

Why do the nations suddenly stream up to? Zion ??? If we look at Zechariah 2 it would seem that just as Psa. 102 ?13?Thou shalt arise,?and?have mercy upon? Zion : for the time to favour her, yea, the set time, is come.???????So the heathen shall fear the name of the LORD, and all the kings of the earth thy glory.?16?When the LORD shall build up? Zion , he shall appear in his glory. ?This same language of "glory and defense" is found in?Isa 4:5, ?alluding to the pillar of cloud and fire which defended and enlightened? Israel?in the desert. ?Zec 8:?6?Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be marvellous in mine eyes? saith the LORD of hosts.?7?Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country;?8?And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of? Jerusalem : and they shall be
 my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness. As per Isa. 11:11-12.
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?
It seems to me form this text in Zechariah that God?s glory will appear, the pillar of fire and the cloud will appear and this Glory that Moses got a glimpse of, the whole world with get to see. This happens at an appointed time and THEN the nations start coming up to joined themselves to the God of Israel.
?
?Also, in the text of Zechariah there seem to be two(2) speakers. One being YHVH and the other his servant, whom most would identify with Moshaich.?? As I read through this again, ?I get the sense that YHVH will reveal himself again as in the wilderness and also their will be this servant figure present also.? Vs. 9 speaks of the ?shaking of the hand? at the nations as in Isa.11:15, 19:16, this will get peoples attention. Verse 11 speaks of ?many nations shall joined to the Lord in that day?.?
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Coming from a christian background were the world and all world / future / events happen with the ?christian church? at the center, I am being to think the more correct course of events will be that Judea / Israel will be at the center and the rest of the world will be standing on the outside looking on?.? Just like when God brought the children home the first time when he brought them out of? Egypt .? Most religious people will look for the supernatural events.? But, what if Moshiach just quietly slips in to town riding on a donkey?? What if he works quietly behind the scenes until he slowly becomes center stage? ??We often read the text of the earth splitting, the heavens shaking and the ?every eye shall behold? and want to think of some super natural earth shaking event were we all fall on our face?s and turned to God.? But, from these scriptures and others it seems to indicate a process and ?not and event that happens in a
 milli-second.
?
When God spoke to Moses Exo. 3, telling him to go get the people of? Israel?his children, Moses was not worried about Pharaoh letting them go! Moses was worried that the children ?of? Israel ?would not believe him and then willingly follow him out.? Moses was told to go to the elders of? Israel , he pleaded his case there first; then with the elders of? Israel?he went before the King of Egypt. V.29 Moses and Aaron gather together the elders of? Israel .? V.30 Moses spoke all the words and did all the signs. V31 The people (AM) believed.
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Therefore, my I suggest that the ?glory of YHVH? and Moshiach will be in? Israel?/? Judea?before the world is made aware of it?
?
Shalom,
Marvin
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From:?dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org]?On Behalf Of?James Tabor
Sent:?Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:38 PM
To:?dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject:?Re: [Dialogue] Noahide precepts
?
I agree and I expand on this in the new version of?Restoring Abrahamic Faith.?
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It seems to me the "Seven" are minimal and a good "identification" marker vis-a-vis Judaism. For one to say, "I just know in my heart" or because I am from the NW Celtic peoples, that I am of the "tribes," might wash if someone has read the research of people like Hulley, but in general it can just sound nutty. I often say, "Noahide" is not my definition of myself, but it is a good Jewish definition of someone who has my God/Torah/Israel orientation and who is not a halachically Jewish. I find it most functional and I have no objection to Judaism "defining itself." I think they had no choice given the 2000 years of Exile.?
?
But even more interesting the question you touch on--what will cause the attraction, of Zechariah 2 & 8; Isaiah 2, and Jeremiah 7, and many other passages. WHY do the nations suddenly stream up to? Zion . ?I have my ideas, but wonder if anyone else wants to jump in here...
?
James
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On Aug 11, 2008, at 7:20 AM, mhyde wrote:
?
Ross and others,
?
I was listening to Sunday Shul and noticed something in the text as Ross was teaching.?? As Ross was going through the text in Isa. 1, 2, and Jeremiah 7 I Noticed something.??? I have always had a question as to how God is going to bring this all about were the nations look to? Zionand the Gentiles look to the God of Israel and leave behind their belief that the Jews will have to convert to their religion.? Remember it is us who is looking to them and saying , ?teach us for we know that God is with you?.? Some commentaries say the gate mention in Jer.7:2 , ?is the gate at the outer court, that leads to the court of the women or gentiles and others say this is the Eastern gate.
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At anyrate, Notice in Jer.7:1-10. ?Almost all of the commandments are mentioned, representive of both tablets.?? What I see here is that we have to get back to a place were we are at least, at a minimum, we must keep / observe the basic Noahide code.?? Israel?as a whole, both Judea?and Ephraim as a first step back to God must at a minimum keep and observe the Noahide precepts.??
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Any thoughts or comments?
?
Shalom,
marvin??
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming



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From bkgivin at charter.net  Mon Sep  1 12:32:18 2008
From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:32:18 -0000
Subject: [Dialogue] =?windows-1255?b?Rlc6IPLsIPDk+OX6IOHh7CD47vfl7OntIPrl?=
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Dear friends, I received this from an Israeli friend of mine??By the Rivers
of Babylon.?  I found it very moving, both pics and music.  I hesitated to
send it because of the very last frame?you will see when you get there?I
would have chosen another word to use as this one is not a part of my
vocabulary, but I think you will get the meaning loud and clear?Anyway, I
thought it was meaningful enough to send it anyway?and I hope no one is
offended.

Love and Blessings,

Betty/Elisheva

 

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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Sun Sep 28 22:33:08 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 23:33:08 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: Hurricane Gustav 
In-Reply-To: <092620080456.22807.48DC6B6C0002BAC50000591722230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net>
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Mr. CARLSON... YOU'RE A HOOT! 

 

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carlson_john at bellsouth.net
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 12:56 AM
To: Dialogue
Subject: [Dialogue] FW: Hurricane Gustav 

 

 

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 

 

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From: "CARLSON, JOHN S" <JCARLSO at entergy.com> 
To: <carlson_john at bellsouth.net> 
Subject: FW: Hurricane Gustav 
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:50:02 +0000 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: EAST, JOHN L 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:51 PM
To: TOUPS, JEFFERY D; Umshler, Daniel L; Hall, Douglas W; COX, BARRY L;
LINTON, ANTHONY; MCCOY, JACK W; BIBB, STEVEN; POLAN, DAVE; REYNOLDS, JEFFREY
W; ELLIS, DWIGHT; BLANCHARD, TERRY
Cc: PATIN, BRIAN W; KRAUSE, GLENN M; ORGERON, ANGELA M; CARLSON, JOHN S
Subject: Hurricane Gustav 

 

Guys,

 

In talking with my neighbor who is the regional Entergy Manager, and he told
me that much of the damage to their transmission towers was due to the power
lines swinging in the wind and setting up a harmonic rhythm that eventually
caused the steel towers to crumble.

 

He showed me the bellow video to illustrate the effects of Hurricane Gustav

 

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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Sun Sep 28 23:57:57 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:57:57 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] The Branch
Message-ID: <009201c921ef$f1e69290$0400a8c0@marvin>

Tracy,

 

I sent another post that Ross will have to approve, to large, there is an
attachment.   I'm confused. According to the last /second paragraph you
state three persons the Branch, a king like David anointed by the Branch and
the High Priest, but you keep saying the Branch is the Davidic  seed
line(Messiah ben David). If the Pro / Moe is the Branch what is the
connection between him and the David seed line?  

 

Marvin

 

 

 

Tracy wrote:       

" David was anointed by the prophet Samuel. Moshe was not anointed by any
man. Though The BRANCH is the seed of David, he nonetheless is one like unto
Moshe and is anointed directly without a prophet. The verse above is a
prophetic Psalm of David, but the words of The BRANCH seem to be in his
mouth speaking of the latter days as we have described previously about the
Book of Joel.

        I have echoed Dr. Tabor some, I think, pointing out that there are
apparently three persons, a triad of anointed ones who will be on the scene
at the end. The BRANCH, directly anointed and sent by Hashem, along with a
King like unto David anointed by The BRANCH, and also a High Priest also
anointed by The BRANCH."

 

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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 29 00:20:12 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:20:12 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] The Branch
In-Reply-To: <009201c921ef$f1e69290$0400a8c0@marvin>
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Guys,

I gave up believing in a god in three persons awhile ago.  There were many reasons for this but for the most part, (for me) to continue to justify such a thing and still adhere to the first commandment was getting far too complicated.  So I'm good with G-d being G-d and Messiah being Messiah (I happen to believe Yeshua fills that, bill but that's just me).

It seems from all of this discussion, unless I'm misunderstanding, I no longer have a god in three persons. now I have a Messiah in three persons.  This is getting unwieldy and complicated again.

It's been my experience that when things get this complicated, we're missing something.  This may sound simplistic but I have a hard time believing that G-d would make salvation this complex.  Personally, I'm a fan of Occam's Razor, I think G-d is too.

IMHO.

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 


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Tracy,
 
I sent another post that Ross will have to approve, to large, there is an attachment.   I?m confused. According to the last /second paragraph you state three persons the Branch, a king like David anointed by the Branch and the High Priest, but you keep saying the Branch is the Davidic  seed line(Messiah ben David). If the Pro / Moe is the Branch what is the connection between him and the David seed line?  
 
Marvin
 
 
 
Tracy wrote:       
? David was anointed by the prophet Samuel. Moshe was not anointed by any man. Though The BRANCH is the seed of David, he nonetheless is one like unto Moshe and is anointed directly without a prophet. The verse above is a prophetic Psalm of David, but the words of The BRANCH seem to be in his mouth speaking of the latter days as we have described previously about the Book of Joel.
        I have echoed Dr. Tabor some, I think, pointing out that there are apparently three persons, a triad of anointed ones who will be on the scene at the end. The BRANCH, directly anointed and sent by Hashem, along with a King like unto David anointed by The BRANCH, and also a High Priest also anointed by The BRANCH.?
 
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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Mon Sep 29 01:39:37 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:39:37 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] The Branch
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Message-ID: <00a301c921fe$26128ed0$0400a8c0@marvin>

John, 

 

It does get complicated but that is part of the search, otherwise we could
have just stayed in Christianity and had faith. Just believe in Jesus..
It's all about Jesus,  regardless of what happens just say, Jesus, Jesus,
Jesus.  Some Christians have reduced it down to Jesus only!

 

I don't think God knows about Oakhams Razor...  he mentions 2's 3's  when he
could have just mention one!   As far as salvation goes, I don't think this
has anything to do with it.  But, then again who does the Tanack declare as
our savior?   The One!

 

Shalom and good night!

 

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From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of
carlson_john at bellsouth.net
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:20 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Branch

 

Guys,

 

I gave up believing in a god in three persons awhile ago.  There were many
reasons for this but for the most part, (for me) to continue to justify such
a thing and still adhere to the first commandment was getting far too
complicated.  So I'm good with G-d being G-d and Messiah being Messiah (I
happen to believe Yeshua fills that, bill but that's just me).

 

It seems from all of this discussion, unless I'm misunderstanding, I no
longer have a god in three persons. now I have a Messiah in three persons.
This is getting unwieldy and complicated again.

 

It's been my experience that when things get this complicated, we're missing
something.  This may sound simplistic but I have a hard time believing that
G-d would make salvation this complex.  Personally, I'm a fan of Occam's
Razor, I think G-d is too.

 

IMHO.

 

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 

 

-------------- Original message from "mhyde" <mhyde7 at tds.net>:
-------------- 

Tracy,

 

I sent another post that Ross will have to approve, to large, there is an
attachment.   I'm confused. According to the last /second paragraph you
state three persons the Branch, a king like David anointed by the Branch and
the High Priest, but you keep saying the Branch is the Davidic  seed
line(Messiah ben David). If the Pro / Moe is the Branch what is the
connection between him and the David seed line?  

 

Marvin

 

 

 

Tracy wrote:       

" David was anointed by the prophet Samuel. Moshe was not anointed by any
man. Though The BRANCH is the seed of David, he nonetheless is one like unto
Moshe and is anointed directly without a prophet. The verse above is a
prophetic Psalm of David, but the words of The BRANCH seem to be in his
mouth speaking of the latter days as we have described previously about the
Book of Joel.

        I have echoed Dr. Tabor some, I think, pointing out that there are
apparently three persons, a triad of anointed ones who will be on the scene
at the end. The BRANCH, directly anointed and sent by Hashem, along with a
King like unto David anointed by The BRANCH, and also a High Priest also
anointed by The BRANCH."

 

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From tposborne77 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 29 10:16:32 2008
From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:16:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] The Branch
Message-ID: <864284.29711.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear John & Marvin,
?
I'm quite amazed that either one of you guys would be confused by this. It is quite simple. One person fulfills several roles. I never even intimated some kind of trinity. Have you ever heard the saying, "Kill three birds with one stone"? One person fulfills several roles, accomplishing several goals?- each of those roles has a descriptive title:
#1) Shaliach
#2) The Branch
#3) The One Like Moses
#4) The Seed of David
#5) The Mashiach
#6) The Shepherd
#7) Etc., Etc.
?
1 Person with several titles.
?
Some call me daddy, some call me papa, some call me preacher, some call me singer, some have called me shepherd/pastor, etc...
I am still one person. I hope you got a good nights sleep. ?
?
Love & Prayers,
?
Tracy



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From: mhyde <mhyde7 at tds.net>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:39:37 AM
Subject: RE: [Dialogue] The Branch


John, 
?
It does get complicated but that is part of the search, otherwise we could have just stayed in Christianity and had faith. Just believe in Jesus?.? It?s all about Jesus,? regardless of what happens just say, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.? Some Christians have reduced it down to Jesus only!
?
I don?t think God knows about Oakhams Razor?..? he mentions 2?s 3?s ?when he could have just mention one!?? As far as salvation goes, I don?t think this has anything to do with it.? But, then again who does the Tanack declare as our savior??? The One!
?
Shalom and good night!
?

________________________________

From:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of carlson_john at bellsouth.net
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:20 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Branch
?
Guys,
?
I gave up believing in a god in three persons awhile ago.? There were many reasons for this but?for the most part, (for me) to?continue to justify such a thing and still adhere to the first commandment was getting far too complicated.? So I'm good with G-d being G-d and Messiah being Messiah (I happen to believe Yeshua fills that, bill but that's just me).
?
It seems from all of this discussion, unless I'm misunderstanding, I no longer have a god in three persons. now I have a Messiah in three persons.? This?is getting unwieldy and complicated again.
?
It's been my experience that when things get this complicated, we're missing something.? This may sound simplistic but I have a hard time believing that G-d would make salvation this complex.? Personally, I'm a fan of Occam's Razor, I think G-d is too.
?
IMHO.
?
--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 
?
-------------- Original message from "mhyde" < mhyde7 at tds.net >: -------------- 
Tracy,
?
I sent another post that Ross will have to approve, to large, there is an attachment.?? I?m confused. According to the last /second paragraph you state three persons the Branch, a king like David anointed by the Branch and the High Priest, but you keep saying the Branch is the Davidic ?seed line(Messiah ben David). If the Pro / Moe is the Branch what is the connection between him and the David seed line?? 
?
Marvin
?
?
?
Tracywrote:??? ???
? David was anointed by the prophet Samuel. Moshe was not anointed by any man. Though The BRANCH is the seed of David, he nonetheless is one like unto Moshe and is anointed directly without a prophet. The verse above is a prophetic Psalm of David, but the words of The BRANCH seem to be in his mouth speaking of the latter days as we have described previously about the Book of Joel.
??? ??? I have echoed Dr. Tabor some, I think, pointing out that there are apparently three persons, a triad of anointed ones who will be on the scene at the end. The BRANCH, directly anointed and sent by Hashem, along with a King like unto David anointed by The BRANCH, and also a High Priest also anointed by The BRANCH.?


      
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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 29 10:36:38 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:36:38 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] The Branch
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As I said, I probably misunderstood.  I'm much more in agreement with that characterization.  G-d has many facets too.

I'm certain G-d is familiar with Occam's razor.  He had Solomon express the very principle in Ecc 12.


John C.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Tracy Osborne <tposborne77 at yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:16:32 
To: <dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Branch


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From chattertonw at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 29 12:25:51 2008
From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (chattertonw at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:25:51 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] The Branch
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Amen, brother. If it is so simple a child can understand, then it certainly will not require theological gymnastics... IMHO
-------------- Original message from carlson_john at bellsouth.net: -------------- 


Guys,

I gave up believing in a god in three persons awhile ago.  There were many reasons for this but for the most part, (for me) to continue to justify such a thing and still adhere to the first commandment was getting far too complicated.  So I'm good with G-d being G-d and Messiah being Messiah (I happen to believe Yeshua fills that, bill but that's just me).

It seems from all of this discussion, unless I'm misunderstanding, I no longer have a god in three persons. now I have a Messiah in three persons.  This is getting unwieldy and complicated again.

It's been my experience that when things get this complicated, we're missing something.  This may sound simplistic but I have a hard time believing that G-d would make salvation this complex.  Personally, I'm a fan of Occam's Razor, I think G-d is too.

IMHO.

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 


-------------- Original message from "mhyde" <mhyde7 at tds.net>: -------------- 


Tracy,
 
I sent another post that Ross will have to approve, to large, there is an attachment.   I?m confused. According to the last /second paragraph you state three persons the Branch, a king like David anointed by the Branch and the High Priest, but you keep saying the Branch is the Davidic  seed line(Messiah ben David). If the Pro / Moe is the Branch what is the connection between him and the David seed line?  
 
Marvin
 
 
 
Tracy wrote:       
? David was anointed by the prophet Samuel. Moshe was not anointed by any man. Though The BRANCH is the seed of David, he nonetheless is one like unto Moshe and is anointed directly without a prophet. The verse above is a prophetic Psalm of David, but the words of The BRANCH seem to be in his mouth speaking of the latter days as we have described previously about the Book of Joel.
        I have echoed Dr. Tabor some, I think, pointing out that there are apparently three persons, a triad of anointed ones who will be on the scene at the end. The BRANCH, directly anointed and sent by Hashem, along with a King like unto David anointed by The BRANCH, and also a High Priest also anointed by The BRANCH.?
 
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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Sun Sep 28 23:40:48 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:40:48 -0400
Subject: FW: [Dialogue] The BRANCH
Message-ID: <008c01c921ed$8cfce700$0400a8c0@marvin>

 

 

Tracy,

 

 

I was looking back through my files last night and came across
this(attachment).  Not sure how long I have had it or were it came form.
Thought it would be interesting to throw into the discussion.   Right before
I found it I was looking at the passage in Zeh. 2:1-5.. 

I keep missing something.  Were or how are you making the connection that
Moshiach ben David is the same as the Branch?.  Straighten me out here...
kind of like following the Laurel and Hardy skit , who's on first!     Moses
spoke of the prophet like himself who was to come, but what ties this
passage with the passages that deal with the Davidic seed line?   From your
last reply to me you agreed that All Israel was in the context of Deut 18.
But, I fail to make the connection.

 

marvin

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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 29 14:03:46 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:03:46 +0000
Subject: FW: [Dialogue] The BRANCH
In-Reply-To: <008c01c921ed$8cfce700$0400a8c0@marvin>
Message-ID: <092920081903.1451.48E1269200033F9A000005AB22243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net>

Great!

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 


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Tracy,
 
 
I was looking back through my files last night and came across this(attachment).  Not sure how long I have had it or were it came form. Thought it would be interesting to throw into the discussion.   Right before I found it I was looking at the passage in Zeh. 2:1-5.. 
I keep missing something.  Were or how are you making the connection that Moshiach ben David is the same as the Branch?.  Straighten me out here?..  kind of like following the Laurel and Hardy skit , who?s on first!     Moses spoke of the prophet like himself who was to come, but what ties this passage with the passages that deal with the Davidic seed line?   From your last reply to me you agreed that All Israel was in the context of Deut 18.   But, I fail to make the connection.
 
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From tposborne77 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 29 14:28:48 2008
From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:28:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] The BRANCH
Message-ID: <139874.27514.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Brother Marvin,
?
I'll have to review and tie this together and get back with you in a day or two. Got to prepare to blow my shofar...and preach...to my family...and teach...the children...and finish business orders...You get the picture. I will place this entire discussion on my website (probably tomorrow) just as soon as I remove eveyone's email address from it in order to?prevent spammers from getting them. Maybe that will aid us in the flow of it.
?
Love & Prayers,


----- Original Message ----
From: mhyde <mhyde7 at tds.net>
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 12:40:48 AM
Subject: FW: [Dialogue] The BRANCH


?
?
Tracy,
?
?
I was looking back through my files last night and came across this(attachment). ?Not sure how long I have had it or were it came form. Thought it would be interesting to throw into the discussion.?? Right before I found it I was looking at the passage in Zeh. 2:1-5.. 
I keep missing something.? Were or how are you making the connection that Moshiach ben David is the same as the Branch?.? Straighten me out here?..? kind of like following the Laurel and Hardy skit , who?s on first!???? Moses spoke of the prophet like himself who was to come, but what ties this passage with the passages that deal with the Davidic seed line??? From your last reply to me you agreed that All Israel was in the context of Deut 18.?? But, I fail to make the connection.
?
marvin

Tracy



      
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From tposborne77 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 29 16:14:45 2008
From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:14:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Teruah
Message-ID: <248593.54869.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The Significance of Yom Teruah
By Hillel ben David (Greg Killian)


http://www.betemunah.org/teruah.html#_Toc201412049


      
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From tposborne77 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 29 16:17:42 2008
From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:17:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Teruah
Message-ID: <915294.49542.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The Significance of Yom Teruah
By Hillel ben David (Greg Killian)
?
http://www.betemunah.org/teruah.html#_Toc201412049


      
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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 29 16:56:10 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:56:10 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] An Interesting Number
Message-ID: <092920082156.20006.48E14EFA0000C5D000004E2622243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net>

Here's an interesting number, just for everyone's consideration;

The Dow closed at -777 today.

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 
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From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com  Mon Sep 29 20:05:47 2008
From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:05:47 -0700
Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Teruah Message from JOE
Message-ID: <200809300105.m8U15iHP023808@mail205c25.carrierzone.com>

Friends,

JOE called just before our Yom Teruah here and after his Down 
Under,  and asked me to pass on his Yom Teruah greetings to all of 
you, though somewhat belated.  This is because his computer is down 
at the present,  He was not able to fix it in time before Yom Teruah. 
He wishes all of you the blessings of this Day of Teruah, as Hashem 
has intended, to realize its significance and be guided upon it as He 
wishes for all of us at this "appointed time."
.
In passing, he has reinforced the principle of Yom Teruah, it not 
merely being a marker in time, but an appointed time to blow our 
shofarot, and that we need to hear HaShem's blowing of His 
shofar.  He is alerting us to "remember" that this day is also a Yom 
Hazikaron / Day of Remembrance, of what He has told us re blessings 
and curses, and to remember His Covenant.  It is surely  a day for 
"solemn assembly," a "Day of Remembrance" of our sins, not just 
individually, but most importantly nationally of our greed, 
irresponsibility and lack of thankfulness for His blessings on us as 
a people.  JOE has stressed that the L_rd G-d is surely blowing His 
shofar of war upon us, to call our attention that he is 
correcting  us, and this is the beginning of the domino effect of 
successive financial collapses to come.
The shofar shaped path of Ike, and its incredible destruction into 
the heartland of the US is surely a sign of His judgement upon the 
US, the powerhouse and engine of world economy.

As the Dow hit 777, a number of finality, I cannot but think of it as 
JOE has pointed out that it is Ichabod, (I Sam. 4:21) i.e. the 
Kavod/glory  has departed from us, and this may be the beginning of 
"Jacob's trouble."  It is interesting to note that this decision in 
the US Congress to not pass the "bail-out" bill, which was voted on 
during Yom Teruah, Jerusalem time, verifies what the 911 collapse of 
the World Trade Center towers signaled the collapse of our and the 
world's economic system,(Jer. 30:7).

Be it the beginning of "the end" of the current evil system, or the 
beginning of the beginning of HaShem's New Order, we can be hopeful 
of great things to come as James has been so inspired to let us know.
In any case, let us ask for mercy for all of us, and for direction 
individually and groups-wise, (whatever groups we may belongs to), 
that we may be able to listen to His directives in these "days of Judgment."

May you be all filled with the Ruach,

Steve Mathe,

"Only Torah, prayer, and repentance will unify the Tribes of Israel."


"O Israel, trust in the L-RD, He is their help and their 
shield."  (Psalm 115:9),  
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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Mon Sep 29 21:25:18 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:25:18 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] John
Message-ID: <009f01c922a3$ca2f9760$0400a8c0@marvin>

Yes John, God knows Occams Razor, there is nothing new under the sun.  I
guess I spoke out of turn last night. I apologize.   Much study is weariness
to the flesh,  but it feeds my soul.  Sometimes I think I don't know
nothing!!  But then, I get a little piece to the puzzle and I feel like I'm
beginning to better understand God.  Not that we can but,....  

Proverbs 2:
Pro 2:1  My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments
with thee; 
Pro 2:2  So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart
to understanding; 
Pro 2:3  Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for
understanding; 
Pro 2:4  If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid
treasures; 
Pro 2:5  Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the
knowledge of God. 
Pro 2:6  For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and
understanding. 
Pro 2:7  He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to
them that walk uprightly. 
Pro 2:8  He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his
saints. 
Pro 2:9  Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and equity;
yea, every good path.

Marvin


-----Original Message-----
From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of
carlson_john at bellsouth.net
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 11:37 AM
To: Dialogue
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Branch

As I said, I probably misunderstood.  I'm much more in agreement with that
characterization.  G-d has many facets too.

I'm certain G-d is familiar with Occam's razor.  He had Solomon express the
very principle in Ecc 12.


John C.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Tracy Osborne <tposborne77 at yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:16:32 
To: <dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Branch


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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 29 23:34:33 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:34:33 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] John
In-Reply-To: <009f01c922a3$ca2f9760$0400a8c0@marvin>
Message-ID: <093020080434.12822.48E1AC5900010F7D0000321622243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net>

Hey Marvin,

No apology necessary.  I have been accused of studying too much myself.  But it's really not study that I'm commenting on here.  I am of the opinion that there are far too many people in the world (of all persuasions) that stand firmly on beliefs to which they have not given nearly enough study time.  Instead they firmly believe what someone else has told them they should.  

I guess what I'm actually commenting on is our propensity to make things more complex than they need to be, especially when it comes to HaShem's word.  While I would be the first to admit that G-d in all His glory is far beyond our knowing and that the complexity of His creation will forever remain a mystery to us, I think that the important points for us to know are relatively simple.

I think we should constantly seek Him in His Word but it's important that we recognize, as Solomon did, that when things start becoming complicated we should be suspicious of our conclusions. 

Shalom brother.

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 


-------------- Original message from "mhyde" <mhyde7 at tds.net>: -------------- 


> Yes John, God knows Occams Razor, there is nothing new under the sun. I 
> guess I spoke out of turn last night. I apologize. Much study is weariness 
> to the flesh, but it feeds my soul. Sometimes I think I don't know 
> nothing!! But then, I get a little piece to the puzzle and I feel like I'm 
> beginning to better understand God. Not that we can but,.... 
> 
> Proverbs 2: 
> Pro 2:1 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments 
> with thee; 
> Pro 2:2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart 
> to understanding; 
> Pro 2:3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for 
> understanding; 
> Pro 2:4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid 
> treasures; 
> Pro 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the 
> knowledge of God. 
> Pro 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and 
> understanding. 
> Pro 2:7 He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to 
> them that walk uprightly. 
> Pro 2:8 He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his 
> saints. 
> Pro 2:9 Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and equity; 
> yea, every good path. 
> 
> Marvin 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org 
> [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of 
> carlson_john at bellsouth.net 
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 11:37 AM 
> To: Dialogue 
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Branch 
> 
> As I said, I probably misunderstood. I'm much more in agreement with that 
> characterization. G-d has many facets too. 
> 
> I'm certain G-d is familiar with Occam's razor. He had Solomon express the 
> very principle in Ecc 12. 
> 
> 
> John C. 
> 
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Tracy Osborne 
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:16:32 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Branch 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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From RNDAVAR at aol.com  Tue Sep 30 01:07:28 2008
From: RNDAVAR at aol.com (RNDAVAR at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:07:28 EDT
Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Teruah and the Succoth 08 update - Brief
Message-ID: <c7c.3853eee0.36131c20@aol.com>

Shalom to everyone!  
 
I posted two updates on my blog and sent them out to those that signed  up on 
my mailing list. One is an update on Succoth and the other is a short  piece 
on Yom Teruah.  For those that are interested, you can go to my blog  and 
podcasts page and check them out.
 
My mailing list is growing and most of the names are people that I do not  
personally know. Some of you that I do know, may not be on the mailing lists.  
But since some of you subscribe to the Dialogue List, the United  Israel List 
and to my personal email list I decided not to attach them in this  note. You 
will have to go to my blog to read them 
(_http://rootsoffaith.org/blog-and-podcasts/_ (http://rootsoffaith.org/blog-and-podcasts/) ).
 
If you are receiving this email, it is likely that I do know you on a more  
personal level and so I wanted to add a couple of things. I am unsure at this  
point what kind of turn out we will have this year.  This is due to  
combination of things. First, I was not nearly as organized as I was last year.  Hey, 
two hurricanes, a hectic job (thank God for a good paying job though), a  
growing family (thank God for a growing family), the price and availability of  
gasoline, the uncertainty of the economy of our nation, etc - all weigh against  
a personal turn out for some.
 
James Tabor has informed me that he will not be able to make it this year  
due to an incredible load between academic endeavors, necessary travel  
arrangements and probably more than most of us have to deal with. I wanted to  let 
everyone know ahead of time so that if seeing James and listening to his  
fabulous teaching was a deciding factor for you, you could make a good decision  
based upon the best up to date information. He may not receive rain for his  
failure to show up, but I still love and admire him:) Just kidding James! I  think 
that all of you know how much I respect James. 
 
But I can guarantee that you will be blessed if you make it here to Saint  
Francisville for Succoth. Aside from the wonderful folks from Roots of Faith  
(those who have stuck with me through thick and thin - they know who they are)  
we will have some great times and talks - both formal and informal, not to  
mention the great music! My note covers in brief the teachers that will be here  
and I will publish a more formal program soon. I am still praying that Hanoch 
 will come and teach!
 
I have a great topic picked out, but you will have to wait until the formal  
program is published to see what it is.
 
We REALLY hope that some of you on these two lists can make it to the  
Festival. If circumstances do not permit you to attend however, we intend to  
webcast the entire conference LIVE on the web and to post the lectures for your  
download.
 
If you have not signed up (those that intend to attend), please do so on my  
web site soon so that we can get an idea of how many are coming.
 
Love and Shalom to all of you, Ross
 
Ross K.  Nichols 
_www.RootsofFaith.org_ (http://www.rootsoffaith.org/) 





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From mhyde7 at tds.net  Tue Sep 30 06:24:33 2008
From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:24:33 -0400
Subject: [Dialogue] John
In-Reply-To: <093020080434.12822.48E1AC5900010F7D0000321622243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net>
References: <009f01c922a3$ca2f9760$0400a8c0@marvin>
	<093020080434.12822.48E1AC5900010F7D0000321622243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net>
Message-ID: <002701c922ef$1e9b9290$0400a8c0@marvin>

John,

 

I agree when things start becoming overly complicated we should be
suspicious of our conclusions.  The problem as I see it is not the clear
teaching of the Tanack, but it is the adulteration and mixing of the clear
words of Hashem with the worlds religious and pagan ideals.  We have been
lied to... and trying to unlearn those lies is a slow hard process.   Our
opinions and view points have been shaded by the color of error and idolatry
and I do not understand the full and far reaching effects of that but as you
know it (idolatry) is one of the major themes of the bible.  We hear a piece
of truth and then without us even realizing we filter that through the
filter of untruth, half truths and lies.   May, this next year bring us
closer to Hashem and our final redemption.

 

Shalom

 

  _____  

From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org
[mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of
carlson_john at bellsouth.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 12:35 AM
To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org
Subject: Re: [Dialogue] John

 

Hey Marvin,

 

No apology necessary.  I have been accused of studying too much myself.  But
it's really not study that I'm commenting on here.  I am of the opinion that
there are far too many people in the world (of all persuasions) that stand
firmly on beliefs to which they have not given nearly enough study time.
Instead they firmly believe what someone else has told them they should.  

 

I guess what I'm actually commenting on is our propensity to make things
more complex than they need to be, especially when it comes to HaShem's
word.  While I would be the first to admit that G-d in all His glory is far
beyond our knowing and that the complexity of His creation will forever
remain a mystery to us, I think that the important points for us to know are
relatively simple.

 

I think we should constantly seek Him in His Word but it's important that we
recognize, as Solomon did, that when things start becoming complicated we
should be suspicious of our conclusions. 

 

Shalom brother.

 

--
John C. 

"Be excellent to each other!" 
Bill and Ted 

 

-------------- Original message from "mhyde" <mhyde7 at tds.net>:
-------------- 


> Yes John, God knows Occams Razor, there is nothing new under the sun. I 
> guess I spoke out of turn last night. I apologize. Much study is weariness

> to the flesh, but it feeds my soul. Sometimes I think I don't know 
> nothing!! But then, I get a little piece to the puzzle and I feel like I'm

> beginning to better understand God. Not that we can but,.... 
> 
> Proverbs 2: 
> Pro 2:1 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments 
> with thee; 
> Pro 2:2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart 
> to understanding; 
> Pro 2:3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for 
> understanding; 
> Pro 2:4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid 
> treasures; 
> Pro 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the 
> knowledge of God. 
> Pro 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and 
> understanding. 
> Pro 2:7 He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to 
> them that walk uprightly. 
> Pro 2:8 He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his 
> saints. 
> Pro 2:9 Then shalt thou understand righteousness, and judgment, and
equity; 
> yea, every good path. 
> 
> Marvin 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org 
> [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of 
> carlson_john at bellsouth.net 
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 11:37 AM 
> To: Dialogue 
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Branch 
> 
> As I said, I probably misunderstood. I'm much more in agreement with that 
> characterization. G-d has many facets too. 
> 
> I'm certain G-d is familiar with Occam's razor. He had Solomon express the

> very principle in Ecc 12. 
> 
> 
> John C. 
> 
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Tracy Osborne 
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:16:32 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] The Branch 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
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From carlson_john at bellsouth.net  Tue Sep 30 07:39:24 2008
From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:39:24 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] John
In-Reply-To: <002701c922ef$1e9b9290$0400a8c0@marvin>
References: <009f01c922a3$ca2f9760$0400a8c0@marvin><093020080434.12822.48E1AC5900010F7D0000321622243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net><002701c922ef$1e9b9290$0400a8c0@marvin>
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Hey Marvin,

We are in full agreement here.

John C.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "mhyde" <mhyde7 at tds.net>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:24:33 
To: <dialogue at rootsoffaith.org>
Subject: RE: [Dialogue] John


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From rndavar at aol.com  Tue Sep 30 11:30:07 2008
From: rndavar at aol.com (Ross Nichols)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:30:07 +0000
Subject: [Dialogue] Fw: Rosh Chodesh Yom T'ruah 2008
Message-ID: <1545909822-1222792148-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1762183527-@bxe130.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

For those that are interested.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Avi and Dina <avinoam at m7000.com>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:26:33 
To: <rndavar at aol.com>
Subject: Rosh Chodesh Yom T'ruah 2008



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Shalom! This evening Tuesday September 30 2008 at 6:30pm several of us in the Jerusalem
community looked for the first sliver of the new moon but did not observe it due
 to a combination of 1) a low percentage of illumination (<2%) and 2) a short
 lag time between sunset and moonset (20 minutes) and therefore we expect to call
Yom T'ruah on Wednesday evening October 1, 2008 from Jerusalem.

NOTE: We did hear that the first sliver of the moon was observed from New Zealand,
which is common at this time of year, due to the differences in the seasons between
the North and South Hemispheres.  However, we go by the sighting of the moon in 
Israel, and therefore cannot base our determination on a sighting in New Zealand.

If you are accustomed to acknowledging Jerusalem as YHWH gives His blessing for 
this in Holy Scripture (Psalm 137:6), then you should expect Yom T'ruah to begin
 Wednesday Night October 1st 2008 in your community. If however, you are accustomed
to locally sighting Rosh Chodesh and not recognizing Jerusalem as YHWH recognizes
it in Scripture, then you will likely sight Rosh Chodesh Tuesday night, Septembver
30th 2008. Of course, this is your call and the call of your local community. In
 either case, we do sincerely wish each of you a blessing on this special biblical
day of prophecy and righteousness.

Yom T'ruah Sameach Mirushalayim!
Avi and Dina ben Mordechai
2008





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