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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/300a4292/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Fri May 1 06:07:19 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 04:07:19 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Islamic Influence in Washington, DC Message-ID: <855590370905010407x711a1e74i322f8664be21d061@mail.gmail.com> *Sheik Yusuf Al-Qaradawi`s Extremist Islamic Site Runs* - Apr 29, 2009 Atlas Shrugs Over at the global jihadi Islam Online, Sheik Yusuf Al-Qaradawi`s site (who now has an office in Washington DC), has this interview. Egyptian born (any Americans in this administration?) Dalia Mogahed serves up plenty of taqiyya, but once you speak the language, you can read between the lines. The Organization of the Islamic Conference has its operatives in place in a Muhammadan presidency. Obama`s Muslim Adviser Islam Online(hat tip rut) WASHINGTON - Dalia Mogahed, a hijab-clad American Muslim, has made history being the first Muslim woman appointed to a position in President Barack Obama`s administration. She sets on a newly-formed interfaith advisory board the administration hopes will improve relations with Muslims in the US and across the globe. The Egyptian-born American heads the Gallup American Center for Muslim Studies, a Dalia Mogahed research center that produces studies on Muslim public opinion worldwide. In an exclusive interview, IslamOnline.net discussed with Egyptian-born Mogahed her new role, the challenges facing Muslims, Islamophobia in the US and her own success story. *- How do you feel* I am not actually the first Muslim. There have been other Muslims appointed to Obama`s administration. I am also not the only Muslim on the White House advisory Council on Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships. I join Dr. Eboo Patel as the second Muslim on the council. I am, however, the first Muslim woman in this council. I feel very honored for the privilege to serve in this way, but also recognize the responsibility that I`ve agreed to take on. I see my role much more in terms of what needs to get done rather than a historical accomplishment. I believe the accomplishments are yet to be fulfilled. *- What is the role of the Council on Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnership?* I am a member of a 25-person advisory council to the White House focused on offering solutions for societal problems sourced in the wisdom of faith communities. More specifically, I am on the Inter-religious Dialogue and Cooperation Task Force, a group of only 5. We will work on recommendations for our area of focus and these will be reviewed by the larger council and then included in an annual report with recommendations from the council to the President. *- What is your role as an advisor on Islam?* I would not say I am an advisor on Islam. I would say that it is my role to convey the facts about what Muslims think and feel. I see my role as offering the voices of the silenced majority of Muslims in America and around the world to the council so that our deliberations are informed by their ideas and wisdom. I believe that I was chosen because the administration cares about what Muslims think and wants to listen. *- What kind of advise would you be giving Obama to improve relations with US Muslims and the Muslim world?* I would advise him to listen first and foremost. Many have claimed that terrorists have `hijacked Islam`. I disagree. I think Islam is safe and thriving in the lives of Muslims around the world. What the terrorists have been allowed to take over are Muslim grievances. Muslim concerns over injustice have been largely dismissed by the previous administration leaving a vacuum exploited by extremists. This is a dangerous reality for all of us. Instead, the US must hear mainstream Muslim concerns even if America does not agree with their perceptions. These issues can no longer be ignored or left and the extremists to monopolize. *- What areas of domestic and foreign policies you think the administration should be introducing change in?* I would endorse the action plan outlined in the report "Changing Course" which recommends four areas of action: Respect, Reform (political and economic) and Resolution of conflict. BLUEPRINT FOR US SURRENDER TO ISLAM: THE US MUSLIM ENGAGEMENT... I have blogged on this document, the blueprint for dhimmitude in the US, which was set out by the Organization of the Islamic Conference [Also known as OIC - an anti-Israel group. These groups have the goal of destroying Israel and then America. Let`s not forget the ongoing "death to America" chants. We hope that the elections June 12th will bring true religious and political reform to Iran]. When it comes to the US, I would recommend that a senior member of the administration go on a "listening tour" of the US and hear what Muslim Americans are concerned over. Like all Americans, they are worried about the economic crisis, their financial future and jobs. And like many other US citizens, Muslim Americans are also worried about racial profiling, discriminatory immigration policy and the erosion of civil liberties. *- What do you think of the rising Islamphobia in America?* Islamphobia in America is very real. Gallup finds that Muslims are among the most unfavorably viewed groups in the US and only a little over a third of Americans say they have no prejudice against Muslims. This presents a grave danger to America as a whole. The disease of racism, by definition, is a bias in judgment. This means that racism clouds sound judgment and leads people to make irrational decisions. It also divides a nation and prevents the full utilization of its intellectual and cultural resources. Racism is wasteful. Racism is a strategic disadvantage. I am very proud of the progress America has made in fighting this problem as it relates to the relationship between blacks and whites. In 1956 only 4% of Americans approved of a marriage between whites and blacks. The marriage that produced our president was illegal in Virginia when he was born. Today 80% of Americans approve of marriage between blacks and whites. Last year, Barack Obama became the first Democratic Presidential candidate in decades to carry Virginia. We are a stronger and smarter nation because of this growth. Our next growth spurt will be in ridding our society of anti-Muslim prejudice. *- What do you think US Muslims themselves need to do?* Muslim Americans lag behind other Americans in their political and civic participation according to our research (National Portrait). The best thing they can do to strengthen America is to become fully engaged in writing its next chapter by getting involved and feeling a strong sense of ownership for the future of their country. 3965 W. 83rd. Street #292 Shawnee Mission, KS 66208 I Phone: 913.648.0022 I Fax: 913.648.7997 This site is designed for standards compliant browsers. If your browser is not standards compliant, download one here . Website copyright ? 2006. Unity Coalition for Israel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/0ae5e173/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Fri May 1 06:09:26 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 04:09:26 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] The Late Great State of Israel Message-ID: <855590370905010409h1b4bcb52vb67b32fdc36674d6@mail.gmail.com> The time is short, and the tasks are great. How much are YOU willing to do?? * Hanoch* *The Late Great State of Israel* Aaron Klein - Apr 29, 2009 A crucial new book was released this week that every supporter of Israel must read. It`s called "The Late Great State of Israel." In the book, author and WorldNetDaily.com Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein documents the unprecedented, mortal danger that Israel faces. The subtitle of the book ? released as Israel celebrates its independence ? reads, "How enemies within and without threaten the Jewish nation`s survival." "The greatest threat, the one that magnifies all others exponentially, is that only a few in Israel or abroad are aware of the real extent of the dangers facing the Jewish country ? both from within and without," writes Klein. The book is a clarion call for all supporters of Israel. The great Mideast democracy is headed down a road that, if not altered, may result in catastrophe, warns Klein. Klein pulls no punches, fingering the Israeli government as often being its own worst enemy. He also shows how policies from the Obama administration and international community harm Israel`s interests and how Iran, Hamas, Palestinian terrorists and a host of other players are poised to end the Mideast democracy once and for all. If Israel falls, America will be next in line, argues Klein. Among the highlights of "The Late Great State of Israel." * How the Israeli government has turned a blind eye as Islamic authorities physically erase archaeological evidence on the Temple Mount, including actual Temple artifacts. * How Jerusalem ALREADY has been divided. * Is Obama poised to legitimize Hamas terrorists? Plus, how Obama`s Mideast policies, including talks with Iran and Syria, threaten the Jewish state and, ultimately, America. * How Iran is positioning its proxies to wreck havoc on Israel while Tehran inches toward nuclear weapons. * How the U.N. fuels a fake "refugee crisis" that directly threatens Israel`s existence. * How and why Israel failed in its recent 22-day war in Gaza. * How the U.S. funds and fuels Mideast terrorism * How the news media is covering for terrorists and playing a dangerous lying game about the Mideast and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In doing so, how they are emboldening the enemies of the U.S. and Israel * Israel`s peace partner exposed; and much more. "Unless these perils are countered soon," writes Klein, "the only remnant of the Jewish country may soon be an epitaph: `The Late, Great State of Israel 3965 W. 83rd. Street #292 Shawnee Mission, KS 66208 I Phone: 913.648.0022 I Fax: 913.648.7997 This site is designed for standards compliant browsers. If your browser is not standards compliant, download one here. Website copyright ? 2006. Unity Coalition for Israel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/55dbbed4/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Fri May 1 07:44:03 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 05:44:03 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Fwd: intriguing view... In-Reply-To: <855590370904301837m45e548favf18aacd5132eb0ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <855590370904301837m45e548favf18aacd5132eb0ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <855590370905010544u2208fed9t6e341c8a76b17647@mail.gmail.com> It truly IS a small world....the author of this particular blog is Dani Koesterich - well, it turns out that he is in Ulpan class (intensive study of Hebrew) with my daughter Ayala. I had no clue...Israel is a small world.... Shabbat Shalom, *Hanoch* ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Hanoch Young Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:37 PM Subject: intriguing view... To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Blog Nisan 29, 5769, 4/23/2009 Why I Moved to Israel *By Dani Koesterich* *(check out his **blog* *)* Around 5 weeks ago, I moved from New Jersey to Jerusalem. Many people wondered why I decided to move, and when asked the reason, I found myself advancing a wide range of answers - everything from the inspirational, to the spiritual, and even the practical (?well, I have a lot of friends there?). Now, being Israeli for 5 weeks, I would like to list some of the reasons I decided to move, and add my present-day opinions, now that I have a bit of hindsight on the matter. *(1). Israel is the only country that actively protects Jews worldwide* You may not know this, but there are Israeli mossad agents in every single country on planet earth. I kid you not. If you?ve done a bit of reading into history, and intake regular quantities of Middle Eastern news, you?d know how vulnerable Jews are worldwide (if you disagree, I assure you I can change your opinion). Let?s leave anti-semitism out of the picture for a moment. The state of Israel as a country is rather controversial in the world. Terrorism against Jews in any country can send a serious message to the state of Israel, and that is why Israel takes on the unbelievable burden of watching out for Jews all over the world. It may not seem like a big deal for Jews living in America, under the security and protection of the world superpower, but when the situation hits the fan for the Jews (and believe me, it does), circumstances can become dire. That is why I feel the safest living in a country full of Jews, run by Jews, whose #1 priority is to protect Jewish lives. *(2). This is the chance our ancestors waited over 1800 years for* The 2nd temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 CE by the Romans, and the Jewish people were exiled, and dispersed from Israel to locations all over the world. In their daily prayers (3 times a day) Jews have been praying for the rebuilding of Jerusalem and their temple for over 1800 years. Rewind just 100 years ago: Millions of Russain Jews were living in ghettos, poor, starving, and 40% unemployed, where it was illegal to practice any form of Judaism whatsoever. The Jews of that period in time would literally have done any possible thing to be freed from their oppression, let alone to have a state of their own, where Jewish observance was not only legal, but facilitated. Now that the chance to live in a Jewish land of Israel has returned for the first time in 1800 years, I would think it an unimaginable lost opportunity to just ignore it, and live somewhere else. We?ve been wondering from country to country for centuries already. *(3). We?re making history* Read some history books. In approximately the year 378 BCE, the Persian king Cyrus The Great set forth an edict allowing Jews to return to their homeland, and rebuild their temple. A mere 5% took him up on his offer. Not only that, but later on, when the temple was finally rebuilt and the 2nd Jewish commonwealth was underway, 75% of world Jewry lived outside the land of Israel. Our Rabbis and Sages say that had the Jews risen to the opportunity that Cyrus The Great had helped to provide, the 2nd temple may not have been destroyed. To put it mildly, their great grandchildren and their descendants felt they made a disastrous decision, and the Jewish people have paid wholesomely for it, for millennia. When the history books of the 21st century are written and studied by future generations, I don?t want to be looked back on poorly. *(4). Israel needs Jews!* Having lived in Israel for 5 weeks at this point, I can say definitively that Israel needs Jews living here. In just 60 years, the country has gone from practically nothing, to a first-world country, often times leading the way in technology and science. I believe this is solely due to the unparralelled talent, and drive the Jewish people have, collectively. I like to think of myself as a talented individual, and thus, one of the reasons I decided to move to Israel was so that I can put my talents toward improving the Jewish state. There are a lot of smart Jews living in Israel, and let me just say, it?s apparent. *(5). Everything you do is a Mitzvah* There is only one country on earth where picking trash up off the ground is a Mitzvah, and there is only one country on earth where sweeping the ground outside your apartment is a Mitzvah. You guessed it: Israel. *(6). What do you want to do with your life?* Believe it or not, there will come a point in time that you will look back on your life, and begin to judge whether you lived your life satisfactorily. For me, when that time comes, I desperately want to be able to list the multitude of things I dedicated time and energy toward during my lifetime that helped build Israel into a better place. I also hope at that time, I can say that I successfully raised a generation of children that will continue the legacy of the Jewish people. Maybe they?ll each have their own blogs. That would be awesome. I know a good programmer they can hire. *(7). The food here is ridiculous* Seriously, if you like food even a little, you would love living in Israel. The ice coffee is in slurpee consistency! Enough said. *(8). Hebrew is sickly cool* ????? ??? ??? ????? ??????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/b5bb3edc/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Fri May 1 07:47:56 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:47:56 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Sabbath Services Message-ID: it sounds wonderful Ross. Thank you so much for all your hard work. I am sure it will bear much fruit. I'll certainly be aiming to download the lessons. You're an inspiration. Catherine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/dcec663c/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Fri May 1 08:21:14 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 06:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] SHABBAT SHALOM. In-Reply-To: <49FAAA7F.2050709@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <510916.65427.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Joe, Thank you for posting this.? It?is truely heart wrenching.??My prayer is that HaShem will return all those precious people of Gush Katif quickly and in true justice also.? I pray that I will not forget the pain on their faces until they return and do what I can to help them now. ? Shabbat Shalom Margie --- On Fri, 5/1/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Dialogue] SHABBAT SHALOM. To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 2:53 AM This is a musical tribute to all my friends from Gush Katif. May HaShem expedite their return in true justice. Shabbat Shalom JOE. http://wejew.com/media/4365/Gush_Katif_Life_and_People_Video/ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Shabbat Shalom JOE. http://wejew.com/media/4365/Gush_Katif_Life_and_People_Video/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/ff5d8822/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Fri May 1 09:41:59 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 14:41:59 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control In-Reply-To: <93434.71835.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <050120091441.5452.49FB0A37000BC2400000154C22218865869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Thanks Betty, This is the Congressional Research Service summary from the Library of Congress site I sent out yesterday. I see no "grandfather" clause in the bill. So, bottom line, anyone who currently owns a firearm will have to apply for a license to keep it within two years (as I read it) or be in violation of federal law and subject to arrest. Doesn't sound constitutional to me. This bill is in the House now. H.R.45 Title: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] (introduced 1/6/2009) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 2/9/2009 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. SUMMARY AS OF: 1/6/2009--Introduced. Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked. Prescribes license application, issuance, and renewal requirements. Prohibits transferring or receiving a qualifying firearm unless the recipient presents a valid firearms license, the license is verified, and the dealer records a tracking authorization number. Prescribes firearms transfer reporting and record keeping requirements. Directs the Attorney General to establish and maintain a federal record of sale system. Prohibits: (1) transferring a firearm to any person other than a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with national instant criminal background check system requirements, with exceptions; (2) a licensed manufacturer or dealer from failing to comply with reporting and record keeping requirements of this Act; (3) failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours; (4) failing to report to the Attorney General an address change within 60 days; or (5) keeping a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, knowingly or recklessly disregarding the risk that a child is capable of gaining access, if a child uses the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury. Prescribes criminal penalties for violations of firearms provisions covered by this Act. Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse; (2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and (3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures of each licensed manufacturer. Authorizes the Attorney General to certify state firearm licensing or record of sale systems. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Betty Eddy : -------------- If any of you want to keep your weapons, take a look at HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009 To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information. Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless: ...It is registered ...You are fingerprinted ...You supply a current Driver's License ...You supply your Social Security # ...You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing ...Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail. Betty Eddy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/63dc4950/attachment.html From betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com Fri May 1 14:36:26 2009 From: betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com (Betty Eddy) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control Message-ID: <6196.8378.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thanks John, >From what I read, it seems to be a trial balloon. The likelihood of it passing is small, but we never know. I have responded to my senators and rep mainly to let them know that they can't do this without a major civil war. In my opinion, the more response they get now, the more they will reconsider something so blatant and try more subtle ways. Betty Eddy --- On Fri, 5/1/09, carlson_john at bellsouth.net wrote: From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 9:41 AM Thanks Betty, ? This is the Congressional Research Service summary from the Library of Congress site I sent out yesterday. ? I see no "grandfather" clause in the bill.? So, bottom line, anyone who currently owns a firearm will have to apply for a license to keep it within two years (as I read it) or be in violation of federal law and subject to arrest.? Doesn't sound constitutional to me. ? This bill is in the House now. ? H.R.45 Title: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] (introduced 1/6/2009) ?????Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 2/9/2009 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. SUMMARY AS OF: 1/6/2009--Introduced. Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked. Prescribes license application, issuance, and renewal requirements. Prohibits transferring or receiving a qualifying firearm unless the recipient presents a valid firearms license, the license is verified, and the dealer records a tracking authorization number. Prescribes firearms transfer reporting and record keeping requirements. Directs the Attorney General to establish and maintain a federal record of sale system. Prohibits: (1) transferring a firearm to any person other than a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with national instant criminal background check system requirements, with exceptions; (2) a licensed manufacturer or dealer from failing to comply with reporting and record keeping requirements of this Act; (3) failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours; (4) failing to report to the Attorney General an address change within 60 days; or (5) keeping a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, knowingly or recklessly disregarding the risk that a child is capable of gaining access, if a child uses the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury. Prescribes criminal penalties for violations of firearms provisions covered by this Act. Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse; (2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and (3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures of each licensed manufacturer. Authorizes the Attorney General to certify state firearm licensing or record of sale systems. ? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted ? -------------- Original message from Betty Eddy : -------------- If any of you want to keep your weapons, take a look at HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009 To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information. Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless: ...It is registered ...You are fingerprinted ...You supply a current Driver's License ...You supply your Social Security # ...You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing ...Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail. Betty Eddy -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/841aa3b5/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Fri May 1 15:00:21 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 20:00:21 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control In-Reply-To: <6196.8378.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <050120092000.23017.49FB54D5000846D2000059E922230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> I fully agree Betty. I'm doing my best to get the word out in my neck of the woods as well. Shabbat Shalom. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Betty Eddy : -------------- thanks John, >From what I read, it seems to be a trial balloon. The likelihood of it passing is small, but we never know. I have responded to my senators and rep mainly to let them know that they can't do this without a major civil war. In my opinion, the more response they get now, the more they will reconsider something so blatant and try more subtle ways. Betty Eddy --- On Fri, 5/1/09, carlson_john at bellsouth.net wrote: From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 9:41 AM Thanks Betty, This is the Congressional Research Service summary from the Library of Congress site I sent out yesterday. I see no "grandfather" clause in the bill. So, bottom line, anyone who currently owns a firearm will have to apply for a license to keep it within two years (as I read it) or be in violation of federal law and subject to arrest. Doesn't sound constitutional to me. This bill is in the House now. H.R.45 Title: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] (introduced 1/6/2009) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 2/9/2009 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. SUMMARY AS OF: 1/6/2009--Introduced. Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked. Prescribes license application, issuance, and renewal requirements. Prohibits transferring or receiving a qualifying firearm unless the recipient presents a valid firearms license, the license is verified, and the dealer records a tracking authorization number. Prescribes firearms transfer reporting and record keeping requirements. Directs the Attorney General to establish and maintain a federal record of sale system. Prohibits: (1) transferring a firearm to any person other than a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with national instant criminal background check system requirements, with exceptions; (2) a licensed manufacturer or dealer from failing to comply with reporting and record keeping requirements of this Act; (3) failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours; (4) failing to report to the Attorney General an address change within 60 days; or (5) keeping a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, knowingly or recklessly disregarding the risk that a child is capable of gaining access, if a child uses the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury. Prescribes criminal penalties for violations of firearms provisions covered by this Act. Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse; (2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and (3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures of each licensed manufacturer. Authorizes the Attorney General to certify state firearm licensing or record of sale systems. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Betty Eddy : -------------- If any of you want to keep your weapons, take a look at HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009 To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information. Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless: ...It is registered ...You are fingerprinted ...You supply a current Driver's License ...You supply your Social Security # ...You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing ...Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail. Betty Eddy -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/e3ba4e06/attachment.html From oneillcody at yahoo.com Fri May 1 16:58:22 2009 From: oneillcody at yahoo.com (cody oneill) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] =?utf-8?q?FEMA_Blasted_Over_9/11_Images_In_Children?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Coloring_Book?= Message-ID: <853434.20621.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Please pay close attention to FEMA's definition of terrorism. FEMA Blasted Over 9/11 Images In Children?s Coloring Book Text size Steve Watson Infowars.net Friday, May 1, 2009 The Federal Emergency Management Agency has been forced to remove sections of a children?s coloring book from its website after concerned parents made complaints regarding the use of crude images of the 9/11 attacks. The disaster preparedness activity book, titled ?A Scary Thing Happened,? features various disasters, such as hurricanes and floods, and includes an illustration on it?s cover showing what is clearly one of the World Trade Center towers on fire with a plane flying toward the second tower. The image is repeated within the book three times on a single page, which children are encouraged to color in. The caption above reads, ?You might hear about it again and again on the T.V. or radio or read about it in the newspaper.? Critics have charged that parents should make the decision whether or not and exactly how to educate their children about 9/11 and that children should not be exposed to government-issued material for such purposes. The coloring book was created in 2003 for the Freeborn County Crisis Response Team in Minnesota. Although the images look like they have been drawn by a child, they were actually illustrated by Red Cross volunteer and 68-year-old grandmother of 10, Marlys Jentoft. Jentoft told The Smoking Gun website that she was unaware of the recent criticism of the coloring book, but would redo the drawings if asked. In a statement, FEMA spokesman John Shea said: ?We removed the content from our website after reviewing www.FEMA.gov for appropriate material. FEMA for kids assists children in understanding disasters and we will continue to post appropriate material that supports its mission.? FEMA spokesman Clark Stevens added, ?The coloring book, which was put online in 2003, was removed last week, and FEMA is currently reviewing all Web content designed and posted by the previous administration.? Watch a local Fox News report on the coloring book below: The activity book can be viewed in full at this link (PDF). The FEMA website for kids has come under continued criticism for encouraging parents and teachers to introduce their children to material related to the federal government?s emergency management procedures and the department of homeland security. A case in point is FEMA?s definition of terrorism on it?s website for kids, which differs slightly from everybody else?s: ?Terrorism is the use of threat or violence to scare governments into changing their policies.? Other definitions of terrorism offered by FEMA to children are also eyebrow raising: ?Terrorists are criminals and when they are caught they are put on trial.? ?Acts of terrorism include: threats of violence?? Other sections of the site include games and cartoons relating to Citizen Corps programs for kids, while those who sign up to become ?Disaster Action Kids? get to be part of a special Email group, that receives ?exciting news and information? directly from FEMA. "To be courageous requires no exceptional qualifications, no magic formula, no special combination of time, place, and circumstance. It is an opportunity that sooner or later is presented to us all." --JFK-- From MELA91E at aol.com Fri May 1 17:37:39 2009 From: MELA91E at aol.com (MELA91E at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:37:39 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control Message-ID: I'm sorry - i'm english and I don't see what the issue is here. Owning a gun is serious thing and surely one that should be controlled to safeguard all the populace? or am I missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures? Best Melanie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Shabbat Shalom, * Hanoch * On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 3:37 PM, wrote: > I'm sorry - i'm english and I don't see what the issue is here. > Owning a gun is serious thing and surely one that should be controlled to > safeguard all the populace? > or am I missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures? > > Best > > Melanie > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/4bf75942/attachment.html From MELA91E at aol.com Fri May 1 18:09:45 2009 From: MELA91E at aol.com (MELA91E at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:09:45 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control Message-ID: Hi Hanoch, It's good to be back - I did catch sundays worth of the conference (and your talk) but have been very weighed down with family problems the last few weeks, my mum has MS and had a very bad turn but things seem to be on the up now - hence time to catch up, write and respond rather than just rush rush everything. The gun thing really does boggle this english person - I see the need for them in the right situations, my dad was Army and me and my sister can drill march with the best of them and the parachute rolls he taught us from jumping off the dining room table from age 18mths have come in handy a number of times! lol. My step dad is ex-RAF so my family has a tradition of soldiering for want of a better term and I respect and honour those that defend the ones that need defending. But I also see regulation of such things as very important, after all guns don't kill - people do! That said - I guess then I might not be an Ephraimite and I guess I'll just have to settle for being a follower of the noahide laws, as though in a real defense situation I would pick up a gun and use it for defense, or any other weapon to hand come to that, it certainly isn't something I would want to own for everyday - Like you say it's a cultural thing and one I guess that it's possible to just not translate. Best Melanie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/2ee4bc70/attachment.html From dhcole1 at cox.net Fri May 1 19:13:58 2009 From: dhcole1 at cox.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:13:58 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Tamar Park - Nice Photos References: <047f01c9c8d7$9fca5110$df5ef330$@com><043020090122.4069.49F8FD44000B27AD00000FE522230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net><05b201c9c939$0adbb6e0$209324a0$@com><306019172-1241058430-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1275010750-@bxe1195.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><05ce01c9c93c$eda16d50$c8e447f0$@com> <4AF9A673-251B-4FAD-B94C-87C29AEFBBB9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I could ask him!.....any one know the telephone #? dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Tabor" To: Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Tamar Park - Nice Photos > How about an open air Dylan concert? > > James > > > On Apr 29, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Patty wrote: > >> I'm feeling it John. Something about the naked beauty of the place >> and its >> lack of commercial/materialism. The bare desert land, just waiting >> to bloom. >> It's like it has been forgotten and is patiently waiting to be >> loved....I >> feel a song coming on!! >> >> Patty >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org >> [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of >> carlson_john at bellsouth.net >> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:27 PM >> To: Dialogue >> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Tamar Park - Nice Photos >> >> Patty, I'm already there in my mind. I told Hanoch that Carin and I >> think >> that we belong in the north, in the Golan. But there is no reason >> that we >> couldn't divide our time between there and Tamar, in fact I would >> prefer it. >> Of course we would have to travel through Jerusalem often to do >> that. That >> would mean visiting Patty Mitchell and of course, the Shuk. Such >> hardships >> ;-{)}. >> >> This is shaping up man. >> >> Hanoch, are you listening? >> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Patty " >> >> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:11:56 >> To: >> Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Tamar Park - Nice Photos >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ From betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com Fri May 1 20:37:04 2009 From: betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com (Betty Eddy) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Fwd: Israel News Update - May 1, 2009 Message-ID: <753256.75486.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Betty Eddy Today's Top Stories Jerusalem Post: Bibi considering land-for-Iran Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is reportedly contemplating making a deal with the Obama administration in an effort to encourage a more forceful American response to the Iranian regime. According to _The Jerusalem Post_ Thursday, Netanyahu may agree to some ... Pope urged to use visit to pressure Israel into false peace plan Hopes are soaring among Israel's enemies that Pope Benedict XVI will use his imminent visit to Israel to further pressure the Netanyahu government to surrender historical Jewish lands. The leader of the world's two billion Roman Catholics is scheduled to ... United Nations, World Bank attack Israel The United Nations - whose vehicles, frequently driven by Arabs, cruise arrogantly through the streets of Israel's capital in brazen assertion of their "right" to "decide" the city's future - has demanded that Israel freeze all pending demolition orders against ... 5 Israeli Arabs 'planned terror attacks' against their Jewish countrymen Israel has charged five Israeli Arabs - one of them a Bedouin - with planning to carry out acts of terrorism against Jews in support of the Palestinian terrorists in Gaza. 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If at any time you would like to remove yourself from our mailing list, please feel free to do so by visiting: http://jnewswire.listmessenger.net/unsubscribe.php?g=2&addr=firstladybug at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/6b7b9df3/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Fri May 1 20:49:51 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 01:49:51 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <050220090149.19182.49FBA6BF0002D9E300004AEE22243322829B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Hey Melanie, Our constitution guarantees us the right to possess firearms. That right was placed in there intentionally with a clear purpose in mind. It ensures that the people will always retain the ability to form a militia to protect themselves without having to rely on the government, to augment the government armed forces if necessary and, G-d forbid, from the Government itself if necessary. You must remember that our country was formed in the wake of a revolution against what our fore-fathers considered tyrannical rule. In that light it becomes clear that it is not whether one owns a firearm or not, it is the fact that we retain the right to own one without government interference. You are right, owning a firearm is a serious responsibility and those who jealously protect the right to own one, understand that fully. Whe already have an effective set of background check regulations in place which ensure that those who have exhibited behavior which indicates that they are not responsible enough to own a firearm are not able to purchase one. Unfortunately, as history has always proven, the unscrupulous care nothing for rules and regualtions. Therefore, firearms will always be available to those who have no respect for law, no matter how many reulations we put in their way. The net effect is that more laws and more regulations only serve to make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to obtain what they already have a right to own and therefore must rely more heavily on the governement to protect them. The other side-effect (the one which drove our fore-fathers to place this right into the constitution in the first place) is that it places more power to control the citizenry in the hands of the government. This is counter to the fundamental precepts which the constitution embodies. The founding fathers had a healthy distrust of government and went to great leghts to establish checks and balances to ensure that no one part ever gained this sort of power and that the government as a whole never rose to such power as to supplant the authority of the people whom it governs. This type of legislation undermines those precepts and therefore weakens the very foundation that this country was built on. I hope this helps. Shabbat Shalom. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from MELA91E at aol.com: -------------- I'm sorry - i'm english and I don't see what the issue is here. Owning a gun is serious thing and surely one that should be controlled to safeguard all the populace? or am I missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures? Best Melanie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090502/5ecb1270/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Fri May 1 21:26:40 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control Message-ID: <529164.74755.qm@web58503.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Melanie, you are correct when you say you are missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures, but it? was not always?that way.?The Magna Carter, one of the?documents we used to draft our Constitution, says much the?same.? After what we call the "American Revolution", our founding forefathers, who we see as heroes, wrote our Constitution, which was ratified by all the States.? Included in that document was our "2nd Amendment".? The one which reads: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".? This was not a right guaranteed by our Constitution, or Bill of Rights, but an acknowledgment of a G-D given right to protect ourselves.? The militia it talks about is every man {or woman} between the ages of 16 and 60.? The purpose of the militia is to guard against any personal or collective danger to the other freedoms we enjoyed here.? It was the one amendment that gave strength to the others.? When everyone in the country is armed, a tyrannical government or outside force would have a hard time gaining control over the country.? We also believe that our homes and families are worthy of protection, including the use of deadly force when indicated.? We consider any threat to our country or person to be perpetrated by a "terrorist".? Unfortunately, our own government is slowly but surely trying to erode those G-D given rights.? Our 1968 Gun Ban Law is almost word for word taken from Germany's 1938 Gun Ban.? Think about it.? And, what's coming in the next 3-1/2 years is going to be something to watch here in the USA.? Unarmed we are totally?at the mercy of those who are armed.? Our government is as corrupt as they come and if Ha Shem?tarries, I do not want to be without arms.? It is not the citizens who are law abiding that are dangerous?where guns are concerned but those who have no regard for you or your family.?? Remember, government is a master of the people?or a servant of the people.? Which would you rather it be? --- On Fri, 5/1/09, MELA91E at aol.com wrote: From: MELA91E at aol.com Subject: Re: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:37 PM I'm sorry?- i'm english and I don't see what the issue is here. Owning a gun is serious thing and surely one that should be controlled to safeguard all the populace? or am I missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures? ? Best ? Melanie_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/98529791/attachment.html From gets52000 at yahoo.com Fri May 1 22:15:31 2009 From: gets52000 at yahoo.com (susie getskow) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control In-Reply-To: <529164.74755.qm@web58503.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <193762.57647.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> LOL, Margie, you probably made Janet's list! So heartedly agree. Most "prepper" websites have been blogging about this for the past couple of years. They knew it was coming and most are armed to the teeth without the paper trail. We are getting a set up like Web's here in AZ. My husband is really having a hard time with the arms subject. Right now just dealing with the well, solar and fencing on the land! Susie --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Margie Creech wrote: From: Margie Creech Subject: Re: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 7:26 PM Melanie, you are correct when you say you are missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures, but it? was not always?that way.?The Magna Carter, one of the?documents we used to draft our Constitution, says much the?same.? After what we call the "American Revolution", our founding forefathers, who we see as heroes, wrote our Constitution, which was ratified by all the States.? Included in that document was our "2nd Amendment".? The one which reads: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".? This was not a right guaranteed by our Constitution, or Bill of Rights, but an acknowledgment of a G-D given right to protect ourselves.? The militia it talks about is every man {or woman} between the ages of 16 and 60.? The purpose of the militia is to guard against any personal or collective danger to the other freedoms we enjoyed here.? It was the one amendment that gave strength to the others.? When everyone in the country is armed, a tyrannical government or outside force would have a hard time gaining control over the country.? We also believe that our homes and families are worthy of protection, including the use of deadly force when indicated.? We consider any threat to our country or person to be perpetrated by a "terrorist".? Unfortunately, our own government is slowly but surely trying to erode those G-D given rights.? Our 1968 Gun Ban Law is almost word for word taken from Germany's 1938 Gun Ban.? Think about it.? And, what's coming in the next 3-1/2 years is going to be something to watch here in the USA.? Unarmed we are totally?at the mercy of those who are armed.? Our government is as corrupt as they come and if Ha Shem?tarries, I do not want to be without arms.? It is not the citizens who are law abiding that are dangerous?where guns are concerned but those who have no regard for you or your family.?? Remember, government is a master of the people?or a servant of the people.? Which would you rather it be? --- On Fri, 5/1/09, MELA91E at aol.com wrote: From: MELA91E at aol.com Subject: Re: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:37 PM I'm sorry?- i'm english and I don't see what the issue is here. Owning a gun is serious thing and surely one that should be controlled to safeguard all the populace? or am I missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures? ? Best ? Melanie_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com Sat May 2 08:27:47 2009 From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:27:47 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control In-Reply-To: <193762.57647.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <193762.57647.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This one makes alot of sense. Which means nothing to our corrupt leaders. Control of the masses is what it means. As it was with the church in its beginnings. Dick L .Subject: .] HR 45 Gun control . --- . .Subject: HR 45 Gun control Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 7:26 PM Melanie, you are correct when you say you are missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures, but it was not always that way. The Magna Carter, one of the documents we used to draft our Constitution, says much the same. After what we call the "American Revolution", our founding forefathers, who we see as heroes, wrote our Constitution, which was ratified by all the States. Included in that document was our "2nd Amendment". The one which reads: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". This was not a right guaranteed by our Constitution, or Bill of Rights, but an acknowledgment of a G-D given right to protect ourselves. The militia it talks about is every man {or woman} between the ages of 16 and 60. The purpose of the militia is to guard against any personal or collective danger to the other freedoms we enjoyed here. It was the one amendment that gave strength to the others. When everyone in the country is armed, a tyrannical government or outside force would have a hard time gaining control over the country. We also believe that our homes and families are worthy of protection, including the use of deadly force when indicated. We consider any threat to our country or person to be perpetrated by a "terrorist". Unfortunately, our own government is slowly but surely trying to erode those G-D given rights. Our 1968 Gun Ban Law is almost word for word taken from Germany's 1938 Gun Ban. Think about it. And, what's coming in the next 3-1/2 years is going to be something to watch here in the USA. Unarmed we are totally at the mercy of those who are armed. Our government is as corrupt as they come and if Ha Shem tarries, I do not want to be without arms. It is not the citizens who are law abiding that are dangerous where guns are concerned but those who have no regard for you or your family. Remember, government is a master of the people or a servant of the people. 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Check out "Sabbath Service" on A Synagogue Without Walls Ross Nichols Time: May 2, 2009 from 10:30am to 12:30pm Location: Temple Sinai Synagogue Organized By: Ross Nichols Event Description: Join the Roots of Faith Congregation in the morning for our weekly Sabbath Service. I will be teaching on two Torah Readings in the morning service - Acharei Mot and Kedoshim. The class begins at 10:30 A.M. Central time. After I teach, the local congregation will read the Torah and Prophets and then have a dialogue about the reading. No matter where you live, you can join us through the internet from this site. Go to the top of the page and select either "live audio" or "live video" from the webcasts tab. I hope that you can join us. 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Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Patricia Robbins" Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:40:05 To: Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Come join me at Sabbath Service on A Synagogue WithoutWalls _______________________________________________ From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Sat May 2 08:45:07 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:45:07 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Come join me at Sabbath Service on ASynagogueWithoutWalls In-Reply-To: <1063908299-1241271801-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-921473746-@bxe1298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <26564553.1241240048251.JavaMail.xncore@omx> <1063908299-1241271801-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-921473746-@bxe1298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: My computer's new Beta program that my son installed blocks my being able to download the Media Player. I've not been able to tune in for a few months now. I thought I could figure out how to do it this morning, but have been trying for the past hour and cannot get it to install. Will have to ask him to flush computer and uninstall this Beta program when he has a chance! Thank you so much, Ross. I always appreciate your teaching!!!!! Pat -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ross Nichols" Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 9:45 AM To: "Dialogue List" Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Come join me at Sabbath Service on ASynagogueWithoutWalls > Dear Pat, > > Not sure what you had problems with but to listen in live you can do that > the way you always did. I hope you can join us this morning at 10;30. > Shabbat shalom! > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Patricia Robbins" > > Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 09:40:05 > To: > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Come join me at Sabbath Service on A Synagogue > WithoutWalls > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > From betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com Sat May 2 13:18:33 2009 From: betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com (Betty Eddy) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control Message-ID: <941972.9808.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Margie and John, I want to compliment you on your answers to why we are so aggressive about keeping our weapons and fight so strongly against gun control. Well done. Betty Eddy --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Margie Creech wrote: From: Margie Creech Subject: Re: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 9:26 PM Melanie, you are correct when you say you are missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures, but it? was not always?that way.?The Magna Carter, one of the?documents we used to draft our Constitution, says much the?same.? After what we call the "American Revolution", our founding forefathers, who we see as heroes, wrote our Constitution, which was ratified by all the States.? Included in that document was our "2nd Amendment".? The one which reads: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".? This was not a right guaranteed by our Constitution, or Bill of Rights, but an acknowledgment of a G-D given right to protect ourselves.? The militia it talks about is every man {or woman} between the ages of 16 and 60.? The purpose of the militia is to guard against any personal or collective danger to the other freedoms we enjoyed here.? It was the one amendment that gave strength to the others.? When everyone in the country is armed, a tyrannical government or outside force would have a hard time gaining control over the country.? We also believe that our homes and families are worthy of protection, including the use of deadly force when indicated.? We consider any threat to our country or person to be perpetrated by a "terrorist".? Unfortunately, our own government is slowly but surely trying to erode those G-D given rights.? Our 1968 Gun Ban Law is almost word for word taken from Germany's 1938 Gun Ban.? Think about it.? And, what's coming in the next 3-1/2 years is going to be something to watch here in the USA.? Unarmed we are totally?at the mercy of those who are armed.? Our government is as corrupt as they come and if Ha Shem?tarries, I do not want to be without arms.? It is not the citizens who are law abiding that are dangerous?where guns are concerned but those who have no regard for you or your family.?? Remember, government is a master of the people?or a servant of the people.? Which would you rather it be? --- On Fri, 5/1/09, MELA91E at aol.com wrote: From: MELA91E at aol.com Subject: Re: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:37 PM I'm sorry?- i'm english and I don't see what the issue is here. Owning a gun is serious thing and surely one that should be controlled to safeguard all the populace? or am I missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures? ? Best ? Melanie_______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090502/e0f57979/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sat May 2 13:20:30 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 18:20:30 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control In-Reply-To: <941972.9808.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <050220091820.726.49FC8EED000CCCA6000002D622230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Thank you Margie. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Betty Eddy : -------------- Margie and John, I want to compliment you on your answers to why we are so aggressive about keeping our weapons and fight so strongly against gun control. Well done. Betty Eddy --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Margie Creech wrote: From: Margie Creech Subject: Re: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 9:26 PM Melanie, you are correct when you say you are missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures, but it was not always that way. The Magna Carter, one of the documents we used to draft our Constitution, says much the same. After what we call the "American Revolution", our founding forefathers, who we see as heroes, wrote our Constitution, which was ratified by all the States. Included in that document was our "2nd Amendment". The one which reads: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". This was not a right guaranteed by our Constitution, or Bill of Rights, but an acknowledgment of a G-D given right to protect ourselves. The militia it talks about is every man {or woman} between the ages of 16 and 60. The purpose of the militia is to guard against any personal or collective danger to the other freedoms we enjoyed here. It was the one amendment that gave strength to the others. When everyone in the country is armed, a tyrannical government or outside force would have a hard time gaining control over the country. We also believe that our homes and families are worthy of protection, including the use of deadly force when indicated. We consider any threat to our country or person to be perpetrated by a "terrorist". Unfortunately, our own government is slowly but surely trying to erode those G-D given rights. Our 1968 Gun Ban Law is almost word for word taken from Germany's 1938 Gun Ban. Think about it. And, what's coming in the next 3-1/2 years is going to be something to watch here in the USA. Unarmed we are totally at the mercy of those who are armed. Our government is as corrupt as they come and if Ha Shem tarries, I do not want to be without arms. It is not the citizens who are law abiding that are dangerous where guns are concerned but those who have no regard for you or your family. Remember, government is a master of the people or a servant of the people. Which would you rather it be? --- On Fri, 5/1/09, MELA91E at aol.com wrote: From: MELA91E at aol.com Subject: Re: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:37 PM I'm sorry - i'm english and I don't see what the issue is here. Owning a gun is serious thing and surely one that should be controlled to safeguard all the populace? or am I missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures? Best Melanie _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090502/fc307d73/attachment.html From RNDAVAR at aol.com Sat May 2 14:21:39 2009 From: RNDAVAR at aol.com (RNDAVAR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 15:21:39 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] Acharey Mot and Kedoshim Message-ID: I just wanted you all to know that this mornings class is up on my site for those that were unable to join us live this morning. I did very little to this file in the form of editing so you will feel as if it is live:) We had - or thought we had technical difficulties and you will hear about 1 minute of that at the beginning. I did not want to cut that out because I said some things that I wanted to leave in. I hope that you enjoy the teaching. I will be editing the Torah reading as well as the dialogue and posting them later. Shabbat shalom to all - Ross Ross K. Nichols _www.RootsofFaith.org_ (http://www.rootsoffaith.org/) **************Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090502/09f4c624/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sat May 2 16:34:35 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 21:34:35 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control In-Reply-To: <941972.9808.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <050220092134.26512.49FCBC6A00051F0F0000679022218865869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> I meant thank you Betty, sorry. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Betty Eddy : -------------- Margie and John, I want to compliment you on your answers to why we are so aggressive about keeping our weapons and fight so strongly against gun control. Well done. Betty Eddy --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Margie Creech wrote: From: Margie Creech Subject: Re: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 9:26 PM Melanie, you are correct when you say you are missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures, but it was not always that way. The Magna Carter, one of the documents we used to draft our Constitution, says much the same. After what we call the "American Revolution", our founding forefathers, who we see as heroes, wrote our Constitution, which was ratified by all the States. Included in that document was our "2nd Amendment". The one which reads: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". This was not a right guaranteed by our Constitution, or Bill of Rights, but an acknowledgment of a G-D given right to protect ourselves. The militia it talks about is every man {or woman} between the ages of 16 and 60. The purpose of the militia is to guard against any personal or collective danger to the other freedoms we enjoyed here. It was the one amendment that gave strength to the others. When everyone in the country is armed, a tyrannical government or outside force would have a hard time gaining control over the country. We also believe that our homes and families are worthy of protection, including the use of deadly force when indicated. We consider any threat to our country or person to be perpetrated by a "terrorist". Unfortunately, our own government is slowly but surely trying to erode those G-D given rights. Our 1968 Gun Ban Law is almost word for word taken from Germany's 1938 Gun Ban. Think about it. And, what's coming in the next 3-1/2 years is going to be something to watch here in the USA. Unarmed we are totally at the mercy of those who are armed. Our government is as corrupt as they come and if Ha Shem tarries, I do not want to be without arms. It is not the citizens who are law abiding that are dangerous where guns are concerned but those who have no regard for you or your family. Remember, government is a master of the people or a servant of the people. Which would you rather it be? --- On Fri, 5/1/09, MELA91E at aol.com wrote: From: MELA91E at aol.com Subject: Re: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:37 PM I'm sorry - i'm english and I don't see what the issue is here. Owning a gun is serious thing and surely one that should be controlled to safeguard all the populace? or am I missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures? Best Melanie _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090503/d8d12808/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Sat May 2 21:29:25 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 19:29:25 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Independence and Fooling Ourselves In-Reply-To: <49FCFE3C.9050505@westnet.com.au> References: <49FCFE3C.9050505@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <855590370905021929w10d56d94h48e858d4ec293202@mail.gmail.com> Shalom Joe, Well, this is a very powerful article, which unfortunately is absolutely true when it describes the attempts to strip the "Jewishness" from the new immigrants. The Hellenist Eruv Rav will continue to try to continue their evil work, but Baruch HaShem (Thank G-d), more people are waking up to the eternal truth of Torah. On both sides of the family.... Toda Achi... *Hanoch* On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 7:15 PM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > Independence and Fooling Ourselves *- - - - - - - posted by Reb. Nati - - > 4/29/2009 07:12:00 AM ET* > > *by Reb Nati at Mystical Paths * > > The modern use of the Hebrew word atzmayi, meaning independence or self > reliant, is also used today as Yom HaAtzmaut, Israeli Independence Day. The > only way to be truly independent is to have Emunah, and Bitachon in Hakodosh > Barachu, and in His Torah and His Tzaddik Emet! > > 61 years ago we were gathered after the Holocaust. The secular zionist > bolshevik erev rav created a state for the 'new Jew', one devoid of Torah > and Hashem with emunah in his rifle and plow. For the State of the New Jew, > G-d and Torah were part of the problem of the world hating us, one they set > out to solve. > > Those pioneers truly had emunah, emunah in their own righteousness. The > tzaddikim saw this and opposed it, the creation of a secular state with > ideals of emunah in the strength of our hands and turning our back on G-d. > They built walls, literal and cultural, around their enclaves to prevent the > secular onslaught they knew would come. And come it did. > > Initially it was direct state action, stripping schools of teaching Torah, > forcing immigrant children into secular education, literally kidnapping > children from their parents. A generation later, as their emunah failed to > transmit (for broken sick emunah may be strong but does not transmit) it > changed to materialism and goyish music, TV, sex and drugs and a devotion to > out-Western Western culture. > > While their type of emunah has failed and the 'new Jew' turned out to love > a nice sports car and big screen TV, while the purpose has failed the goals > have not been withdrawn. Torah and Hashem are still in the cross hairs. We > see this with the third ?Independence Day? since the sinful destruction of > the Jewish communities of Gush Katif and the Northern Shamron. We don't need > to wonder as we hear they are about finished giving away the kever (tomb) of > King David and other completely Jewish holy sites to the Pope...in advance > of the total giving of Jerusalem to the Ishmaelites. It appears more obvious > every day that this is a recurring theme in our history. Now with the Holy > city Jerusalem it's right out of the prophets. > > What does it mean to be independent? > > Politically, economically, physically, spiritually. We can look at the > first golus (exile), the Egyptian. We went because of famine, we stayed > because it was comfortable, and became slaves. This indicates dependency, > not independence. And we have been trying to return to this status, as > slaves, ever since. "So you want to go back to Eygpt, where it is so safe > and secure"?! > > *Wake up! We are so helplessly dependent on this world, we are so addicted > to this system of things.* *Otherwise, we would cry out like we did in > Egypt. ENOUGH!!!* > > We do not seem to be ready or able to admit that two thousand years of > frustration, annihilation and failure has caused us to become ill - 'Choleh > Nefesh' - spiritually sick. We suffer from neuroses, the cause of which is > we are separated from our source, Hashem. The root of all our souls, we are > what the shrinks like to call co-dependent on the junk of this world. And as > we resist reconnection to Hashem, because we would have to separate from the > things we are comfortable with. We yet again prove that we are not ready to > be unplugged from this matrix of this world. > > Our forefathers set the example of the correct course of action. With > strong Emunah and Bitacon 'faith and trust' we shall cry out to our Father > in Heaven, as we did in Egypt and at the sea and many other times > throughout our history and He has been and always will be faithful and just > to us! And He will from this as well! > > We need to realize that we are all dependent on Hashem or we would not > exist for one moment. It is only those who can see and understand this that > are truly independent in this world. > > So prove it now!!! Call out to Hashem and ask for the redemption now! And > do not forget to thank Him for all that you have! > > *Shalom v'Ahavah > JOE. > * > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090502/6c00b91d/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Betty Eddy --- On Sat, 5/2/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 9:10 PM Shavua Tov Betty, unfortunately we lost most of rights to control guns in Australia when the "Bryant Case" occurred in Tasmania. He went on a killing spree that took 32 lives, the most in Australian history. This was a pretext for the Howard Government to pass laws relinquishing gun ownership. Only farmers living on the land have this right. So they took the guns off the general law abiding citizens and left all the guns with the criminals and law enforcement agencies. As a Sicilian I will have to rely on my Torah Scroll hidden in the vilolin case. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. "Misdemeanors such as assaults, thefts and burglaries will no longer be prosecuted in Contra Costa County because of budget cuts, the county's top prosecutor said Tuesday. People who are suspected of misdemeanor drug crimes, break minor traffic laws, shoplift, trespass or commit misdemeanor vandalism will also be in the clear. Those crimes won't be prosecuted, either."So says the San Francisco Chronicle. Mexico also will stop prosecuting some crimes. So we see the pattern being set for complete Martial Law in the United States and yes, I mean that. If you think the economy is so very bad that towns cant afford to maintain law and order you have your head in a hole. The economy has been much worse. This is a show, a put on show to enable government to grab more and more power. The economy was far worse in the depression and no one lost law and order. This is manufactured junk. People will not put up with this, begin to protect themselves , complain about the terror of the criminals roaming the streets and all hell will break loose. Enter the government to maintain order with martial law. We are in very dark times right now. If you pray, keep America in your prayers and ask that those who would destroy her, leave her and Israel alone because those who hate Israel also hate America and both are in their sights now. We need the mercy of G-d now , more than ever. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090502/578a8505/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Hanoch Young Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Independence and Fooling Ourselves Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 19:29:25 -0700 Size: 35067 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090503/f87e59ac/attachment.eml From youngbarzel at gmail.com Sat May 2 22:53:00 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 20:53:00 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Independence and Fooling Ourselves] In-Reply-To: <49FD112C.2070509@westnet.com.au> References: <49FD112C.2070509@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <855590370905022053l58a98e54g5bd3c5204a2c1246@mail.gmail.com> Amen Joe! Yes, the table are turning, and people are waking up - Jews AND Ephramites. And you can count on me helping to raise the 'conciousness' of my coreligionists! :-) I am heading to Modiin - the birthplace of the Maccabees, that should be more then enough inspiration for me (as I sit here, smiling from ear to ear). And guess who my next door neighbors will be? Yep - Australian olim (immigrants)! So, I guess will be throwing some stuff on the 'barbie, and singing 'Waltzing Matilda...' As long as it's in Israel..... Your room will be ready for you, Achi... * Hanoch * On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:36 PM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > *Shalom Hanoch, > > so true what your comment says. > However the flip side is the G-d fearing Jewish settlers, and I know many > of them. Needless to say that you will be joining the ranks very soon.Baruch > HaShem. > It is when you meet these wonderful people and their Ahavah towards HaShem, > His Torah and His land ,not to mention the Ahavah of their Achim and Achot, > that you deeply savour this incredible Ness of HaShem. > > Just as much as Egypt had Sinai, Jordan had Shomron and Syria had Golan > from 1948 to 1967, so too did the Kibbutznics have control of the show in > Yisrael. > > Then the Ness of the Six Day War. > Not only did Yisrael win the war but this Divine Act won the imagination of > Torah observant Jewry from around the world. > Many Gentiles also saw the Hand of HaShem. > Whilst PM Eschol was trumpeting the prowess of the IDF , he forgot to > mention any thanksgiving to HaShem. > > What the Secular Government was not banking on was the influx of Torah > observant Jews into the settlements of the captured lands, to their dismay. > But HaShem had other ideas. > Unfortunately people like Sarita had to endure the Gerush twice. Once as a > teenager with her family from Yamit in the Sinai and then as a mother from > Elei Sinai in the Gush. > It is amazing to consider that these die - hard Israelis are with Emunah > intact and even reinforced. > > We witnessed major Aliyot in the past after victories. But amazingly the > Aliyot continue even in times of distress. > Sure many undesirables were allowed to enter under slack screening > procedures . > However this was Aliyah to the land. > Now we are seeing an explosion of Aliyah back to HaShem or Teshuva. > The yeshivot are full of Baal Teshuva, in unprecedented numbers, especially > amongst the youth. > > The great Sage MALBIM said over 150 years ago that in the end of days > according to Sefer Malachi, HaShem will send Eliyahu ha Navi to restore the > hearts of the children back to the fathers. > He mentioned that the Spirit of Eliyahu would do an inner work to bring the > last generation before the Keitz back in repentance to HaShem and Torah. > This is happening as we speak...... on both sides of the family. > > This nonsense that is happening within the Erev Rav leadership is all part > of HaShem separating the Holy from the profane. It is a tool that eventually > will galvanize the whole House of Yisrael to national Teshuva. > > May it happen speedily in our day. > > b'Ahavat Yehudah v'Yisrael. > JOE. > > * > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Hanoch Young > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 19:29:25 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Independence and Fooling Ourselves > Shalom Joe, > > Well, this is a very powerful article, which unfortunately is > absolutely true when it describes the attempts to strip the "Jewishness" > from the new immigrants. The Hellenist Eruv Rav will continue to try to > continue their evil work, but Baruch HaShem (Thank G-d), more people are > waking up to the eternal truth of Torah. > > On both sides of the family.... > > Toda Achi... > *Hanoch* > > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 7:15 PM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > >> Independence and Fooling Ourselves *- - - - - - - posted by Reb. Nati - >> - 4/29/2009 07:12:00 AM ET* >> >> *by Reb Nati at Mystical Paths * >> >> The modern use of the Hebrew word atzmayi, meaning independence or self >> reliant, is also used today as Yom HaAtzmaut, Israeli Independence Day. The >> only way to be truly independent is to have Emunah, and Bitachon in Hakodosh >> Barachu, and in His Torah and His Tzaddik Emet! >> >> 61 years ago we were gathered after the Holocaust. The secular zionist >> bolshevik erev rav created a state for the 'new Jew', one devoid of Torah >> and Hashem with emunah in his rifle and plow. For the State of the New Jew, >> G-d and Torah were part of the problem of the world hating us, one they set >> out to solve. >> >> Those pioneers truly had emunah, emunah in their own righteousness. The >> tzaddikim saw this and opposed it, the creation of a secular state with >> ideals of emunah in the strength of our hands and turning our back on G-d. >> They built walls, literal and cultural, around their enclaves to prevent the >> secular onslaught they knew would come. And come it did. >> >> Initially it was direct state action, stripping schools of teaching Torah, >> forcing immigrant children into secular education, literally kidnapping >> children from their parents. A generation later, as their emunah failed to >> transmit (for broken sick emunah may be strong but does not transmit) it >> changed to materialism and goyish music, TV, sex and drugs and a devotion to >> out-Western Western culture. >> >> While their type of emunah has failed and the 'new Jew' turned out to love >> a nice sports car and big screen TV, while the purpose has failed the goals >> have not been withdrawn. Torah and Hashem are still in the cross hairs. We >> see this with the third ?Independence Day? since the sinful destruction of >> the Jewish communities of Gush Katif and the Northern Shamron. We don't need >> to wonder as we hear they are about finished giving away the kever (tomb) of >> King David and other completely Jewish holy sites to the Pope...in advance >> of the total giving of Jerusalem to the Ishmaelites. It appears more obvious >> every day that this is a recurring theme in our history. Now with the Holy >> city Jerusalem it's right out of the prophets. >> >> What does it mean to be independent? >> >> Politically, economically, physically, spiritually. We can look at the >> first golus (exile), the Egyptian. We went because of famine, we stayed >> because it was comfortable, and became slaves. This indicates dependency, >> not independence. And we have been trying to return to this status, as >> slaves, ever since. "So you want to go back to Eygpt, where it is so safe >> and secure"?! >> >> *Wake up! We are so helplessly dependent on this world, we are so >> addicted to this system of things.* *Otherwise, we would cry out like we >> did in Egypt. ENOUGH!!!* >> >> We do not seem to be ready or able to admit that two thousand years of >> frustration, annihilation and failure has caused us to become ill - 'Choleh >> Nefesh' - spiritually sick. We suffer from neuroses, the cause of which is >> we are separated from our source, Hashem. The root of all our souls, we are >> what the shrinks like to call co-dependent on the junk of this world. And as >> we resist reconnection to Hashem, because we would have to separate from the >> things we are comfortable with. We yet again prove that we are not ready to >> be unplugged from this matrix of this world. >> >> Our forefathers set the example of the correct course of action. With >> strong Emunah and Bitacon 'faith and trust' we shall cry out to our Father >> in Heaven, as we did in Egypt and at the sea and many other times >> throughout our history and He has been and always will be faithful and just >> to us! And He will from this as well! >> >> We need to realize that we are all dependent on Hashem or we would not >> exist for one moment. It is only those who can see and understand this that >> are truly independent in this world. >> >> So prove it now!!! Call out to Hashem and ask for the redemption now! And >> do not forget to thank Him for all that you have! >> >> *Shalom v'Ahavah >> JOE. >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:30 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] TEFILLAH] THIS MAY BE A BETTER LINK http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-5812104784097635551 &ei=AiP9SfPTDo_MwgOR8YyKAQ&q=The+Power+Of+Tefillah&hl=en&client=firefox-a Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090503/fa2301b6/attachment.html From amydomin at aol.com Sun May 3 04:05:55 2009 From: amydomin at aol.com (amydomin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 05:05:55 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] TEFILLAH In-Reply-To: <49FD29EE.5020906@westnet.com.au> References: <49FD29EE.5020906@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <8CB99E5805DB9D4-970-7EC6@webmail-dh39.sysops.aol.com> That was a wonderful video Joe...thanks for sending the link. Amy Oz -----Original Message----- From: JOE INDOMENICO To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sat, 2 May 2009 10:21 pm Subject: [Dialogue] TEFILLAH Beloved Achim and Achot, the time is quickly approaching when the only weapon that we will have left in our armory is the power of prayer with complete Emunah and Bitachon in HA CHODESH BARUCHU. Remember that the Israelites were in bondage for 210 years under very trying conditions once Pharaoh forgot. They endured the most trying of travails under enormous duress. But once they cried out to HaShem, He heard. The Geulah came quick and fast. The plagues lasted one year. Once HaShem moved, He moved quickly to the point that the Pesach was enacted with shoes on and staff in hand, ready to move at a single moment. In these Yom ha Din, Yishmael ( G-d will hear). Cry out to The Holy One, Blessed be He. Pray that we are worthy to enter His Kingdom and merit His Geulah / Redemption / Salvation. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. http://video.google.com.au/videosearch?q=The+Power+Of+Tefillah&hl=en&client=firefox-a&emb=0&aq=-1&oq=# _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090503/a0a34038/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Sun May 3 06:24:50 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 04:24:50 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Our individual path Message-ID: <855590370905030424j56116e48wd670ab983f6d0c4f@mail.gmail.com> It's SO easy for me to want to have the musical talents of guys like Tracy, John and Dave...but we all have something else that we're supposed to bring to the table, it seems.... * Hanoch Your Individual Path* by Rav Lazer Brody Each of us has his or her own individual personal path. Our path in life is as unique as our fingerprint, in accordance with our mission in life, former reincarnations, and our individual tikkun. Although there are general tasks that each person must do on this earth, each person has a unique and individual way of completing a given task. One cannot attain happiness or fulfillment in life without ascertaining his or her unique path. Without personal prayer, this is virtually impossible. Personal prayer can't be found in any book; not only does it change from person to person, it changes within a person himself from day to day and from hour to hour, according to a person's current circumstances and according to the stimuli that Hashem sends at that given moment. - The Garden of Yearning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090503/637e93e6/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Sun May 3 07:01:26 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 05:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control] In-Reply-To: <405184.8171.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <108548.91230.qm@web58506.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Betty, Thought you might be interested in this.? Bill Limits Gun Regulation By ROY MAYNARD Editorial Page Editor A bill by state Rep. Leo Berman exempting Texas-made firearms, gun accessories and ammunition sold within the state from federal regulation and law -- including registration -- was heard in a House committee on Monday. The bill also provides for the Texas Attorney General's office to defend Texans who run afoul of the federal government because of this law. Berman, a Tyler Republican who has pushed several "states' rights" measures this legislative session, said his bill would affect more than 300 manufacturers in the state. "Under the 9th and 10th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution, states have responsibility for regulating intrastate commerce," Berman said. "The federal government has no role." Worse, he said, the federal government would like to increase regulations. "With the appointment of Eric Holder as U.S. attorney general, we have the most anti-Second Amendment attorney general in the history of the nation," Berman said. "What we're saying with this is there are some guns not subject to federal regulation. We have guns and gun accessories and ammunition here that are not subject to their regulation." Berman said the bill has the support of the National Rifle Association and the Texas State Rifle Association. Contacted on Monday, the Texas State Rifle Association's Alice Tripp did not comment. Berman said his bill could also spark economic development. "This gun bill will invite new industry into Texas, that will take advantage of intra-state commerce," Berman said. "We're talking about gun manufacturers, gun accessory manufacturers, and ammunition reloaders." Montana passed a similar bill earlier this month, and a court challenge is expected when the law goes into effect in October. "It's a gun bill, but it's another way of demonstrating the sovereignty of the state of Montana," said Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat. Opponents there warn the law could result in gun purchases with no criminal background checks. Tyler attorney and gun rights advocate Sean Healy said Berman's effort is commendable. "I applaud Leo's effort to put the federal government in its place," Healy said. "Americans have been conditioned for decades to accept Washington's meddling in their lives. We have grown complacent, and we accept most new restrictions without batting an eye. As a result, Washington has gotten used to doing whatever it wants." That applies to sweeping federal regulation of firearms, he added. "I think Leo is right about the Constitution," he said. "The founders intended for the federal government to have the powers specifically given to it in the Constitution, and the states and the people to keep the power to do everything else." Still, the bill could end up putting the state on a collision course with the federal courts. "The only problem I see with Leo's bill is the provisions requiring the state to pay for its citizens to fight the federal government," Healy said. "That could cost the taxpayers a lot of money fighting a losing battle." (Many Texans I know ?will gladly make the sacrafice) Berman's bill was left pending in committee, as is usual following committee hearings. It could be voted on as soon as next week. On Wednesday, another House committee will hear a bill by Berman that would place an 8 percent surcharge on all money wired by illegal immigrants to Mexico and Central and South America. Berman said the bill would generate $480 million yearly. The revenue would be earmarked for hospitals, which he says bear the burden of providing health care for uninsured illegal immigrants and for border security. --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Betty Eddy wrote: From: Betty Eddy Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 10:35 PM Joe, you make me laugh. Be careful. People will begin to look in your violin case. It's too bad someone wasn't carrying a weapon before 32 people were killed. It would have stopped a massacre. the article below is pretty much what I see. I don't think the gov't. even needs an excuse to declare martial law. Things are coming to a head. I believe this is the beginning of the end. Betty Eddy --- On Sat, 5/2/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 9:10 PM Shavua Tov Betty, unfortunately we lost most of rights to control guns in Australia when the "Bryant Case" occurred in Tasmania. He went on a killing spree that took 32 lives, the most in Australian history. This was a pretext for the Howard Government to pass laws relinquishing gun ownership. Only farmers living on the land have this right. So they took the guns off the general law abiding citizens and left all the guns with the criminals and law enforcement agencies. As a Sicilian I will have to rely on my Torah Scroll hidden in the vilolin case. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. "Misdemeanors such as assaults, thefts and burglaries will no longer be prosecuted in Contra Costa County because of budget cuts, the county's top prosecutor said Tuesday. People who are suspected of misdemeanor drug crimes, break minor traffic laws, shoplift, trespass or commit misdemeanor vandalism will also be in the clear. Those crimes won't be prosecuted, either."So says the San Francisco Chronicle. Mexico also will stop prosecuting some crimes. So we see the pattern being set for complete Martial Law in the United States and yes, I mean that. If you think the economy is so very bad that towns cant afford to maintain law and order you have your head in a hole. The economy has been much worse. This is a show, a put on show to enable government to grab more and more power. The economy was far worse in the depression and no one lost law and order. This is manufactured junk. People will not put up with this, begin to protect themselves , complain about the terror of the criminals roaming the streets and all hell will break loose. Enter the government to maintain order with martial law. We are in very dark times right now. If you pray, keep America in your prayers and ask that those who would destroy her, leave her and Israel alone because those who hate Israel also hate America and both are in their sights now. We need the mercy of G-d now , more than ever. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090503/eceb31b7/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: martlaw.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 43256 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090503/eceb31b7/attachment.jpg From chcashmore at hotmail.com Sun May 3 07:12:41 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 22:12:41 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control Message-ID: Good to hear your views Melanie, I had no idea your mum had MS. I'm so sorry - I will pray for her, and if it's OK with you, please keep us informed of how she is fairing. I know what a devastating illness this can be, and my heart goes out to those who have experienced it. I hope things are going OK at the moment. I have to say as an English person as well, I relate to your views about gun ownership. I understand it is people that kill not guns, and I also understand the need for self defense, but I hate them - they have fallen into the wrong hands so often it's heart wrenching to see the results. I guess this is one of the reasons why people feel the need to own them as a form of self defense. However I can never imagine owning one or using one. Maybe I have lead a life that is too sheltered - I certainly see the need for the defense of Israel and the role weapons have played in that. I enjoy your posts Melanie - keep up the good work! Love Catherine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090503/f3baa22a/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Sun May 3 07:18:39 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 22:18:39 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control Message-ID: I have never looked upon it this way Margie - thanks, your words help me see the other side and make sense. However, whatever happens, it is only by HaShem's grace that we can hope to be safe. I pray we'll all be OK - these are indeed very interesting times. Melanie, you are correct when you say you are missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures, but it was not always that way. The Magna Carter, one of the documents we used to draft our Constitution, says much the same. After what we call the "American Revolution", our founding forefathers, who we see as heroes, wrote our Constitution, which was ratified by all the States. Included in that document was our "2nd Amendment". The one which reads: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". This was not a right guaranteed by our Constitution, or Bill of Rights, but an acknowledgment of a G-D given right to protect ourselves. The militia it talks about is every man {or woman} between the ages of 16 and 60. The purpose of the militia is to guard against any personal or collective danger to the other freedoms we enjoyed here. It was the one amendment that gave strength to the others. When everyone in the country is armed, a tyrannical government or outside force would have a hard time gaining control over the country. We also believe that our homes and families are worthy of protection, including the use of deadly force when indicated. We consider any threat to our country or person to be perpetrated by a "terrorist". Unfortunately, our own government is slowly but surely trying to erode those G-D given rights. Our 1968 Gun Ban Law is almost word for word taken from Germany's 1938 Gun Ban. Think about it. And, what's coming in the next 3-1/2 years is going to be something to watch here in the USA. Unarmed we are totally at the mercy of those who are armed. Our government is as corrupt as they come and if Ha Shem tarries, I do not want to be without arms. It is not the citizens who are law abiding that are dangerous where guns are concerned but those who have no regard for you or your family. 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Margie ? --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Catherine Cashmore wrote: From: Catherine Cashmore Subject: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 7:18 AM I have never looked upon it this way Margie - thanks,?your words?help?me?see the other side and make sense.? However, whatever happens, it is only by HaShem's grace that we can hope to be safe.? I pray we'll all be OK - these are indeed very interesting times. ? Melanie, you are correct when you say you are missing something due to the inherent differences between cultures, but it? was not always?that way.?The Magna Carter, one of the?documents we used to draft our Constitution, says much the?same.? After what we call the "American Revolution", our founding forefathers, who we see as heroes, wrote our Constitution, which was ratified by all the States.? Included in that document was our "2nd Amendment".? The one which reads: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".? This was not a right guaranteed by our Constitution, or Bill of Rights, but an acknowledgment of a G-D given right to protect ourselves.? The militia it talks about is every man {or woman} between the ages of 16 and 60.? The purpose of the militia is to guard against any personal or collective danger to the other freedoms we enjoyed here.? It was the one amendment that gave strength to the others.? When everyone in the country is armed, a tyrannical government or outside force would have a hard time gaining control over the country.? We also believe that our homes and families are worthy of protection, including the use of deadly force when indicated.? We consider any threat to our country or person to be perpetrated by a "terrorist".? Unfortunately, our own government is slowly but surely trying to erode those G-D given rights.? Our 1968 Gun Ban Law is almost word for word taken from Germany's 1938 Gun Ban.? Think about it.? And, what's coming in the next 3-1/2 years is going to be something to watch here in the USA.? Unarmed we are totally?at the mercy of those who are armed.? Our government is as corrupt as they come and if Ha Shem?tarries, I do not want to be without arms.? It is not the citizens who are law abiding that are dangerous?where guns are concerned but those who have no regard for you or your family.?? Remember, government is a master of the people?or a servant of the people.? Which would you rather it be? _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090503/2d51ba56/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Sun May 3 08:12:46 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 06:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] mixed seeds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <631200.66334.qm@web58507.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I am so glad to hear this Catherine!? She and your dad will not regret it.? They are both in my prayers as well as you.? Margie --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Catherine Cashmore wrote: From: Catherine Cashmore Subject: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 7:30 AM I'm glad you pointed this out Betty.? Mum wrote me an e mail yesterday in which I was delighted to hear that she had gone organic - she has done a lot of thinking about Diet since Dad's diagnosis, and whilst I haven't wanted to bombard her with advice (especially with diet which can be such a personal thing to change - and needs self motivation) I agree whole heartedly with your words.? I'm so glad mum is following this as well.? Much love xxx_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090503/1eacd3f4/attachment.html From webhulon at msn.com Sun May 3 09:12:53 2009 From: webhulon at msn.com (Web Hulon) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:12:53 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] How can Ephraim prepare to return home? In-Reply-To: <047f01c9c8d7$9fca5110$df5ef330$@com> References: <047f01c9c8d7$9fca5110$df5ef330$@com> Message-ID: Shalom all, I posted this as a response to a SWW discussion, but also felt compelled to post it here. I believe that the most important thing that those of Ephramite heritage can do is to begin to unify in a greater measure. It is for this purpose that we in SC have joined together in community. In community we are in a position to learn and see and DO the Torah. We have found it very difficult to truly love one another, in deed, when we are far apart from one another. Most of the Ephramite persuasion have a strong dose of rebellion against what we see as wrong, as well as a bent to strong individualism. These things have served us well in bringing us to this point, but now is the time to join together and learn how to be a people. This doesn't mean that we won't have varying points of view or that we must now all fall under uniform doctrines, but it will require us to learn to understand one another and emphasize the majors that bind us rather than the minors that separate us. Remember that Yisrael was gathered together in Goshen before hitting the trail to the promised land. They had been separated by bondage and persucution, but YHWH brought them all to one place to learn to be a people again before having Pharoah drive them out. We,too, need this experience. If we look at our brothers in Judah we will see that, while Torah is the unifying factor, it is community that preserves them as a cohesive people. Observant Judah is not just many people walking in Torah, but communities walking in Torah. It is their greatest strength and their greatest example. I realize that everyone can't immediately form communities all over the world, but I am convinced that we must begin to move in that direction. SWW is certainly a step inthe right direction, but it will not be enough in the long run. We can never accomplish over the internet what can be accomplished face to face and hand in hand. To our Jewish brethren: Please point out when we are acting like Gentiles. Don't hesitate to teach us. We need you. Shalom, Web _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090503/e6e3aae4/attachment.html From betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com Sun May 3 10:24:49 2009 From: betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com (Betty Eddy) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 08:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control] Message-ID: <749130.79381.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Margie, Thanks for this article. It's the first I have heard about it and I live in Texas. I have gone back and forth about my role in what is going on. I believe G-d is judging this nation, probably the world and questioned if I have the right to fight that with petitions etc. I have come to the conclusion that He wants us to fight for justice any way we can, so I have decided to do as much as I can to fight for justice and let the chips fall where they may. Betty Eddy --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Margie Creech wrote: From: Margie Creech Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 7:01 AM Betty, Thought you might be interested in this.? Bill Limits Gun Regulation By ROY MAYNARD Editorial Page Editor A bill by state Rep. Leo Berman exempting Texas-made firearms, gun accessories and ammunition sold within the state from federal regulation and law -- including registration -- was heard in a House committee on Monday. The bill also provides for the Texas Attorney General's office to defend Texans who run afoul of the federal government because of this law. Berman, a Tyler Republican who has pushed several "states' rights" measures this legislative session, said his bill would affect more than 300 manufacturers in the state. "Under the 9th and 10th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution, states have responsibility for regulating intrastate commerce," Berman said. "The federal government has no role." Worse, he said, the federal government would like to increase regulations. "With the appointment of Eric Holder as U.S. attorney general, we have the most anti-Second Amendment attorney general in the history of the nation," Berman said. "What we're saying with this is there are some guns not subject to federal regulation. We have guns and gun accessories and ammunition here that are not subject to their regulation." Berman said the bill has the support of the National Rifle Association and the Texas State Rifle Association. Contacted on Monday, the Texas State Rifle Association's Alice Tripp did not comment. Berman said his bill could also spark economic development. "This gun bill will invite new industry into Texas, that will take advantage of intra-state commerce," Berman said. "We're talking about gun manufacturers, gun accessory manufacturers, and ammunition reloaders." Montana passed a similar bill earlier this month, and a court challenge is expected when the law goes into effect in October. "It's a gun bill, but it's another way of demonstrating the sovereignty of the state of Montana," said Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat. Opponents there warn the law could result in gun purchases with no criminal background checks. Tyler attorney and gun rights advocate Sean Healy said Berman's effort is commendable. "I applaud Leo's effort to put the federal government in its place," Healy said. "Americans have been conditioned for decades to accept Washington's meddling in their lives. We have grown complacent, and we accept most new restrictions without batting an eye. As a result, Washington has gotten used to doing whatever it wants." That applies to sweeping federal regulation of firearms, he added. "I think Leo is right about the Constitution," he said. "The founders intended for the federal government to have the powers specifically given to it in the Constitution, and the states and the people to keep the power to do everything else." Still, the bill could end up putting the state on a collision course with the federal courts. "The only problem I see with Leo's bill is the provisions requiring the state to pay for its citizens to fight the federal government," Healy said. "That could cost the taxpayers a lot of money fighting a losing battle." (Many Texans I know ?will gladly make the sacrafice) Berman's bill was left pending in committee, as is usual following committee hearings. It could be voted on as soon as next week. On Wednesday, another House committee will hear a bill by Berman that would place an 8 percent surcharge on all money wired by illegal immigrants to Mexico and Central and South America. Berman said the bill would generate $480 million yearly. The revenue would be earmarked for hospitals, which he says bear the burden of providing health care for uninsured illegal immigrants and for border security. --- On Sat, 5/2/09, Betty Eddy wrote: From: Betty Eddy Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 10:35 PM Joe, you make me laugh. Be careful. People will begin to look in your violin case. It's too bad someone wasn't carrying a weapon before 32 people were killed. It would have stopped a massacre. the article below is pretty much what I see. I don't think the gov't. even needs an excuse to declare martial law. Things are coming to a head. I believe this is the beginning of the end. Betty Eddy --- On Sat, 5/2/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] HR 45 Gun control] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 9:10 PM Shavua Tov Betty, unfortunately we lost most of rights to control guns in Australia when the "Bryant Case" occurred in Tasmania. He went on a killing spree that took 32 lives, the most in Australian history. This was a pretext for the Howard Government to pass laws relinquishing gun ownership. Only farmers living on the land have this right. So they took the guns off the general law abiding citizens and left all the guns with the criminals and law enforcement agencies. As a Sicilian I will have to rely on my Torah Scroll hidden in the vilolin case. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. "Misdemeanors such as assaults, thefts and burglaries will no longer be prosecuted in Contra Costa County because of budget cuts, the county's top prosecutor said Tuesday. People who are suspected of misdemeanor drug crimes, break minor traffic laws, shoplift, trespass or commit misdemeanor vandalism will also be in the clear. Those crimes won't be prosecuted, either."So says the San Francisco Chronicle. Mexico also will stop prosecuting some crimes. So we see the pattern being set for complete Martial Law in the United States and yes, I mean that. If you think the economy is so very bad that towns cant afford to maintain law and order you have your head in a hole. The economy has been much worse. This is a show, a put on show to enable government to grab more and more power. The economy was far worse in the depression and no one lost law and order. This is manufactured junk. People will not put up with this, begin to protect themselves , complain about the terror of the criminals roaming the streets and all hell will break loose. Enter the government to maintain order with martial law. We are in very dark times right now. If you pray, keep America in your prayers and ask that those who would destroy her, leave her and Israel alone because those who hate Israel also hate America and both are in their sights now. We need the mercy of G-d now , more than ever. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090503/f4eb8083/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We do most assuredly posses a strong characteristic of individualism which aids in our being able to separate ourselves from everything we once held dear and cast ourselves adrift. >From that point on, it can be a little bit like driving the "wrong way" down a "one-way" street! The characteristics of Ephraim which enable him to Return to HaShem in this Time also serve to alienate him from his previous sense of community. There is an underlying separation between ourselves and those to whom we were once most closely allied. While the love remains, the line of separation is drawn in the sand. We find ourselves alone. I believe that is why we feel such an incomparable cohesiveness when we meet together as in Charlotte's UIWU gathering (though I missed it this year). Although we may be at different levels in our understanding of following the Ancient Paths of HaShem, we nevertheless spiritually perceive one another's deep yearning to unite with Him, and thus realize our oneness as a people because of our yearning for the Oneness of our Creator. I understand the validity of your community in which we, as outcasts by our own choosing, may again be united as family in our mutual, deep-felt need to follow hard after Him...................."...as for me and my house, we will serve the L-RD." Chazak, Chazak, dear friends/family! Wish there was community such as yours (or the Jewish communty) located near me. B'Ahavah l' "33", Avigail From: Web Hulon Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:12 AM To: roots of faith Subject: [Dialogue] How can Ephraim prepare to return home? Shalom all, I posted this as a response to a SWW discussion, but also felt compelled to post it here. I believe that the most important thing that those of Ephramite heritage can do is to begin to unify in a greater measure. It is for this purpose that we in SC have joined together in community. In community we are in a position to learn and see and DO the Torah. We have found it very difficult to truly love one another, in deed, when we are far apart from one another. Most of the Ephramite persuasion have a strong dose of rebellion against what we see as wrong, as well as a bent to strong individualism. These things have served us well in bringing us to this point, but now is the time to join together and learn how to be a people. This doesn't mean that we won't have varying points of view or that we must now all fall under uniform doctrines, but it will require us to learn to understand one another and emphasize the majors that bind us rather than the minors that separate us. Remember that Yisrael was gathered together in Goshen before hitting the trail to the promised land. They had been separated by bondage and persucution, but YHWH brought them all to one place to learn to be a people again before having Pharoah drive them out. We,too, need this experience. If we look at our brothers in Judah we will see that, while Torah is the unifying factor, it is community that preserves them as a cohesive people. Observant Judah is not just many people walking in Torah, but communities walking in Torah. It is their greatest strength and their greatest example. I realize that everyone can't immediately form communities all over the world, but I am convinced that we must begin to move in that direction. SWW is certainly a step inthe right direction, but it will not be enough in the long run. We can never accomplish over the internet what can be accomplished face to face and hand in hand. To our Jewish brethren: Please point out when we are acting like Gentiles. Don't hesitate to teach us. We need you. 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It is a cartoon that appeared in a major Jordanian newspaper (*Al Rei, August 8, 1990) *following the* *brutal murder of two youngsters in Jerusalem by Arabs who stabbed them tens of times and mutilated their bodies. The cartoon, which glorifies the deed, shows the two in the form of long-nosed, Star-of-David-hatted Jews impaled on a bloody scimitar that makes up part of the Arab name of Jerusalem, *Al Kuds.* It is more than a cartoon. It is the graphic and naked face of Ishmael, of the Arab mentality and mindset, of an Islam-Araby that is at total odds with the moral values of a civilization grounded in the Divine seven commandments of the children of Noah. How easy, how obscene, for the liberal-left and humanist twisters of morality to sit in the shadow of Lincoln Center or the Golden Gate or Beverly Hills or Harvard Square or the salons of elitism and discourse on a world they know nothing about. How gratifying to comfortably discourse on a world they know nothing about. How gratifying to comfortably babble about ethics and morality and humanism when it is so safe (so *very *safe) a *theory, *and when it is the other person who is called upon to be ?moral.? How satisfying to the parlor-caf? liberal to bandy about the phrases we all so love to rail against: ?racism,? ?intolerance,? *ad nauseum. *The cartoon is the reality, the liberal humanists are the caricature, living in their own plastic, egotistical world. Unwilling to make real sacrifices of money and body, they pay instead a huge lip tax to ?humanism? and ?morality.? The reality lies well without them. It exists in the fresh graves of two young Jews of Jerusalem brutally and terribly murdered by a people that glorifies the act with a cartoon of blood. One thinks back just a few years ago to the steps of a Cairo government building, where lay the Foreign Minister of the very same Jordan. He had just been shot by a ?Palestinian,? another cultural product of Islam-Araby. The ?Palestinian,? having shot him, now proceeded to drink his blood. Spare us your morality and your indignation both. Those of us who are *normal *and *Jewish*, *truly Jewish, know exactly how to deal with the cartoonists of blood.* Because we have no intention of being the subject of any others. *Anyone reading this Rav Kahane article and is not on my personal list to receive the weekly articles written by Rav Kahane and would like to be, please contact me at:* *barhow at netvision.net.il * * * *Visit my blog for previously e-mailed Rav Kahane writings:* *http:/www.barbaraginsberg.blogspot.com*** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <047f01c9c8d7$9fca5110$df5ef330$@com> Message-ID: <200905040625.n446PEix000806@mail385c25.carrierzone.com> Shalom Web, Want to thank you for showing up with your congregation / community at the UIWU conference in SC. It seemed that I had less time to talk to people there than I expected, and you are one of the many I did not get to talk to personally. I had to leave rather early Sunday after the last meeting. Yes, I agree with you re the importance and primary task for Ephraim to unite among themselves. My talk was not as long as I planned and I could not talk about that task at length. However, I started it, and will lay out the rest of it on the new website, http://www.shaar-israel.org which is up only in skeleton form as of yet. For over a year and a half, I saw problems with that effort, and could not get past it, till I was enlightened by HaShem to my problem and to the solution to it. To "gather together" is most important, for it is THE primary command by Yaakov Avinu to his sons at the end of days, when they would understand their identifying signs that he prophesied. It is also reinforced by Isaiah. To that end, I also advocate the establishment of regional havurahs / fellowships, associations, congregations and communities. These are to be our "gathering centers" to promote returning to the Covenant, and to pool our resources for concerted action, be it to help Yehudah, and /or other important matters where pooled resources and numbers are required as you well said. I strongly advocate this effort among ourselves, on this list and others. Those who are called at this time from the Valley of Dry Bones, in my estimation are to be anchors for the establishment of these centers far and wide around the world. Your pioneering efforts have started this effort and set a pattern and pace for all to follow and attests to the fact that HaShem is starting the same thing in several places with people who do not know each other. Truly, He is gathering us, and not any human leader. Of course there will be many forms of the gatherings, but that is OK. It will prevent the rise and proliferation of undesirable leadership and doctrines. The diversity will foster the emergence of new ways we can foster our return to the Torah. Menashe has this talent and it is to be used in this endeavor. E pluribus unum! Besides the building of independent communities, am also advocating associations for these communities for the purposes of networking and to do support various causes of interest to the Ephraimite cause. For this reason is Shaar-Israel established to gather people to form "The Union of Gathering Israel." Welcome to you and your pioneering community to our group. Steve "Only Torah, prayer and repentance will unify the tribes of Israel." http://www.uniteourheart.com http://www.shaar-israel.org At 07:12 AM 5/3/2009, you wrote: >Shalom all, > >I posted this as a response to a SWW discussion, >but also felt compelled to post it here. > >I believe that the most important thing that >those of Ephramite heritage can do is to begin >to unify in a greater measure. It is for this >purpose that we in SC have joined together in >community. In community we are in a position to >learn and see and DO the Torah. We have found >it very difficult to truly love one another, in >deed, when we are far apart from one another. > >Most of the Ephramite persuasion have a strong >dose of rebellion against what we see as wrong, >as well as a bent to strong >individualism. These things have served us well >in bringing us to this point, but now is the >time to join together and learn how to be a >people. This doesn't mean that we won't have >varying points of view or that we must now all >fall under uniform doctrines, but it will >require us to learn to understand one another >and emphasize the majors that bind us rather than the minors that separate us. > >Remember that Yisrael was gathered together in >Goshen before hitting the trail to the promised >land. They had been separated by bondage and >persucution, but YHWH brought them all to one >place to learn to be a people again before >having Pharoah drive them out. We,too, need this experience. > >If we look at our brothers in Judah we will see >that, while Torah is the unifying factor, it is >community that preserves them as a cohesive >people. Observant Judah is not just many people >walking in Torah, but communities walking in >Torah. It is their greatest strength and their greatest example. > >I realize that everyone can't immediately form >communities all over the world, but I am >convinced that we must begin to move in that >direction. SWW is certainly a step inthe right >direction, but it will not be enough in the long >run. We can never accomplish over the internet >what can be accomplished face to face and hand in hand. > >To our Jewish brethren: Please point out when >we are acting like Gentiles. Don't hesitate to teach us. We need you. >Shalom, >Web > >---------- > > >---------- >Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry >about storage limits. >Check >it out. >_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Avigail From: JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:12 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] More Than A Cartoon] Shalom Hanoch, Indeed, how little has changed !!!!! Many remember the atrocities of the holocaust, but few remember the lead up to these events. Many think that Great Britain, America and France were immune from antisemitism. But, think again. Guess what??? History is about to repeat itself. This year in September marks the 70th anniversary of WW2. Achim and Achot, Hanoch is very much concerned as we all should be in our own neck of the woods. The drums of antisemitism are pounding loud and clear. I posted recently about the power of Tefillah. Now is the time more than ever. Expose this ugly cancer from the very pits of hell. Shout aloud and reeducate all those around you. If you think that it cannot happen in your neck of the woods.......think again!!!!! Anti-Semitism: Why You Should Be Alarmed >From the May/June 2009 Trumpet Print Edition ? History shows that anti-Semitism is a measure of global tension. By Brad Macdonald ?Jews to the gas.? ?Jews to the oven.? ?Kill the Jews.? These are standard sentiments in the streets of Tehran and Gaza City. But earlier this year, those chilling slogans, chanted by tens of thousands, echoed up and down the streets of London, Paris and Amsterdam. Yes, you read that correctly. These slogans, of course, filled Germany during World War ii. By that time, Hitler?s unchecked anti-Semitism had matured beyond boycotting Jewish stores, banning Jews from schools, firebombing synagogues and flogging Jews in dark alleys. By the early 1940s, the ultimate expression of hatred toward Jews had emerged: The f?hrer was rounding up Jews like sheep, and cramming them?shocked and naked, men, women and children?into steel chambers, then gassing them. Consider: Tens of thousands of Europeans today seek the reconstruction of Nazi Germany?s gas chambers and ovens. Granted, the recent Continent-wide choir was largely composed of European Muslims protesting Israel?s incursion into Gaza and showing support for Hamas. Native Europeans, for the most part, were by no means condoning 1940s-style Nazi anti-Semitism. That said, the overwhelmingly passive reaction of Europeans to the chilling calls for the mass murder of Jews?by a minority group, on the streets of European cities, suggests the presence of a latent and foreboding anti-Semitism. More worrying is the fact that while European governments, state and city authorities, academics, much of the media and European populace did virtually nothing to tamp down the hate, many?both leaders and citizens?energetically lauded the anti-Semitic chorus. The reality is, anti-Israel sentiment?the slick cousin of anti-Semitism?was and is embraced, encouraged and facilitated in the European mainstream by European politicians, intellectuals and media. Call this 1930s-style anti-Semitism, if you will. And history shows that unless it is checked, it leads directly to Jews being gassed and tossed like worthless fodder into ovens, or what in hindsight might be called 1940s-style anti-Semitism. 1930s-Style Anti-Semitism Much like it is today, hatred toward Jews was politically fashionable and socially acceptable in Britain and the rest of Europe during the 1930s. Historian William Manchester noted this trend in his book The Last Lion. ?The martyrdom of Jews in the 1940s would strip anti-Semitism [in Britain] of its respectability,? wrote Manchester, ?but in the 1930s it was quite an ordinary thing to see restaurants, hotels, clubs, beaches, and residential neighborhoods barred to people with what were delicately called ?dietary requirements.? ? Contempt for [Jews] was not considered bad form. They were widely regarded as unlovable, alien, loud-mouthed, ?flashy? people who enriched themselves at the expense of Gentiles? (emphasis mine throughout). During this time, the British government, high society, the intellectual class and the media?with the exception of a handful of individuals including Winston Churchill?were infected with animosity for Jews and infatuation with Nazism. Among London?s upper crust, Nazism and all it represented had a strange appeal: ?Ladies wore bracelets with swastika charms; young men combed their hair slant across their foreheads? (ibid.). Even Britain?s king, Edward viii, visited Hitler?s Germany, admired the f?hrer, and didn?t lift a finger to curb the growing and blatant acts of anti-Semitism surging in the government and across the country. Similar sentiment prevailed in Europe. ?Poland?s national character, like Germany?s,? wrote Manchester, ?was marred by a livid streak of anti-Semitism ?.? In Hungary, anti-Semitic laws similar to those in Nazi Germany made the persecution of Jews routine. In France in the late ?30s, rowdy crowds, alarmed by the prospect of war with Germany and convinced that Jewish warmongers were at the root of the problem, protested in towns and suburbs, crying ?Death to the Jews, raid the Jews.? As in Britain, a wide and surging river of anti-Semitism, flowing since early medieval times?whose primary source was Europe?s Catholic forbears?ran unchecked through the peoples, classes and governments of Europe. In Germany, the persecution of Jews had been adopted as state policy nearly a decade before the war began. By the mid-?30s, bullying Jews was virtually a national sport. Across the country, wrote Manchester, ?motion picture theaters, shops and restaurants were displaying prominent signs reading ?Juden unerw?nscht? (?Jews not welcome?). Day-to-day existence was becoming increasingly difficult for non-Aryans. ?Fur Juden kein zutritt? (?Jews not admitted?) placards hung outside grocery and butchers? shops; they could not enter dairies to buy milk for their infants, or pharmacies to fill prescriptions, or hotels to find lodging. At every turn they were taunted ?.? Hatred of Jews was as much in vogue in America as it was in Europe. ?The worst period of American anti-Semitism,? wrote history Prof. Leonard Dinnerstein, ?was sandwiched between the ends of World War i and World War ii? (Anti-Semitism in Times of Crisis). By the mid-1940s, recalls Dinnerstein, animosity toward Jews had swelled to the point where many American Jews actually feared that the anti-Semitic pogroms occurring in Nazi Germany were about to spread to America. This global anti-Semitism came with significant consequences. Because hatred of Jews was in style and enormously pervasive, Western leaders during the 1930s were largely blind to the apocalyptic destination of the raging anti-Semitic river. In this sense, the subliminal support given by British, European and American governments and society to Hitler?s anti-Jewish ideology and policies actually made the gas-chamber-style anti-Semitism of the 1940s inevitable! History?s warning is thunderous and undeniable: Pre-World War ii trends in Britain, America and Europe show that anti-Semitism is a barometer of crisis! History Is Repeating In January, the Brussels Journal reported: ?Far from simply being a spate of isolated incidents, as many Europeans claim, anti-Semitic violence is becoming more commonplace in every country in Europe. At the same time, anti-Israel demonstrations, which have strong anti-Semitic overtones, are being held with alarming frequency in cities across Europe? (January 17). With the creation of the Jewish state in 1948 came a new strain of this age-old hatred: anti-Zionism, or opposition to the Jewish state. Today, anti-Semitism, often manifested as anti-Israel sentiment, is as fashionable in Britain and Europe as it was in the 1930s! Writing in the New Statesman in March, Rhoda Koenig, a former New Yorker now living in London, lamented the prevalence of what she termed low-level ?dinner party? anti-Semitism. Anti-Israel, anti-Jewish discussions are not only common among Britain?s elite, she said, but there?s rarely much debate or disagreement on the subject. This suggests a collective intolerance. ?The Palestinian people in Gaza are the new Warsaw ghetto,? declared British mp George Galloway earlier this year, ?and those who are murdering them are the equivalent of those who murdered the Jews in Warsaw in 1943.? ?Jew-baiting is especially intense in the UK,? wrote Isi Leibler in the Jerusalem Post. ?Prominent Jews encounter death threats. Students at Oxford University have gleefully proclaimed that in five years, their campus ?would be a Jew-free zone.? A high-ranking British diplomat was arrested after publicly launching a foul-mouthed anti-Semitic tirade. The London-based Royal Court Theater is staging a viciously anti-Israeli play by Caryl Churchill that Melanie Phillips described in the Spectator as reminiscent of anti-Semitic plays performed in the Middle Ages portraying Jews as demonic Christ-killers? (February 15). Anti-Semitism is once again fashionable in Britain. No wonder anti-Semitic incidents are skyrocketing. The Community Security Trust reported that the number of attacks against Jews was more than six times higher in the four weeks after Operation Cast Lead began than in the same period last year. Jew-beatings are increasingly common, and prominent Jews have been encouraged by authorities to step up personal security as many are on hit lists. These days, in many cases, Jewish functions require a team of bodyguards to protect participants. During one demonstration in London earlier this year, participants?many of whom were native Britons?as well as police and onlookers, didn?t object to a man dressed as a Jewish caricature, replete with a mask of a long, crooked nose, pretending to eat babies. During the 1930s, many in Britain lauded Hitler?s anti-Semitism. Today, many in Britain condone, even embrace, Islam?s hatred for Jews and the Jewish state. Britain is more infatuated with the forces seeking its destruction than it is loyal to friends needing its assistance! As during the 1930s, certain influences within Britain are empowering its enemy and facilitating the eventual destruction of an ally. In Europe, the river of anti-Semitism that carved through the Continent, swelling Nazi Germany?s pre-war anti-Jew ambitions, has reappeared today, and flows as briskly as ever. Though their hatred is cloaked in anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian rhetoric and gestures, many European leaders are sanctioning, even promoting, the persecution of Jews. Take Harry van Bommel, for example, the native Dutch mp who earlier this year called for a new intifada against Israel. In France, young thugs were recently caught on camera marching through a supermarket shouting anti-Jew epithets and smashing food products imported from Israel. Increasingly, even business leaders and politicians are demanding boycotts against products made in Israel. This often means the boycotting of Jewish-owned stores. In Italy, Giancarlo Desiderati, spokesman for the Flaica-cub trade union, demanded a boycott of all Jewish shops in Rome, and warned Romans, in a leaflet distributed by his outfit, that goods they purchase from Jewish-owned stores are ?tainted by blood.? These are flagrant attempts?in Europe no less, the so-called modern bastion of multiculturalism and tolerance?to put Jews out of business. Exactly the same measures were occurring in Europe prior to the Holocaust. Serge Benhaim, president of a Jewish community in Paris, described daily life for many Jews in France: ?Almost every day we witness severe racially motivated incidents, and tension has only intensified after the operation in Gaza. We don?t take the train after 7 p.m., we wear a skullcap only under a hat, and our youths don?t wander the streets late at night anymore.? That?s 1930s-style anti-Semitism! The National Bureau of Vigilance Against Anti-Semitism in France reported that within about three weeks of the war in Gaza starting, it had received more than 100 reports of violence against Jews. Synagogues, Jewish centers and Jewish memorials are regularly firebombed and ransacked. Jews are persecuted, verbally abused and beaten. Earlier this year in Denmark, two Israelis were shot and wounded in a shopping mall. In Belgium, Jewish schools are being desecrated; Jewish community leaders are receiving death threats; and a plot to burn a Jewish family alive was foiled. During many of the anti-Israel demonstrations throughout Europe, Nazi imagery was resurrected; signs and chants likened Israeli soldiers to Nazi troops, the Gaza Strip was compared to Auschwitz, and the Star of David was replaced with Nazi swastikas. It?s sadly ironic. By condoning, even joining, the movement to liken Jews to Nazis, native Britons and Europeans are making Nazi-style destruction inevitable! In some parts of Denmark, school authorities are refusing to accept Jewish students?some out of fear it might upset the Muslim students, others because they despise Israel. In Britain, Jewish schoolchildren are bullied for belonging to a people supposedly ?with blood on their hands.? Let?s not misunderstand: While there was a surge in anti-Jewish incidents in the wake of Israel?s incursion into Gaza in January, the war was more of an excuse or outlet for venting latent, abiding prejudice and hatred than a root cause of the current surge in anti-Semitism! The global financial crisis has been exploited in much the same manner. In February, the Anti-Defamation League reported on a survey it had commissioned that found nearly a third of Europeans blame Jews for the global economic meltdown and that a large number of Europeans believe Jews have too much power in the business world. In Spain, 74 percent of those polled said they felt it was ?probably true? that Jews hold too much sway over the global financial markets. Nearly two thirds lamented that the Jews were more loyal to Israel than their home countries. This is not new: For centuries anti-Semitism has been a valve through which mounting tensions are released! When the plague decimated Europe in the late Middle Ages, for example, blame was pinned by many on the Jews. Where Will It End? The Second World War broke up the 1930s love affair with Nazism. Although Hitler?s unspeakable acts finally prodded Britain and Western Europe into doing something to stop the atrocities, 60 million lives were sacrificed before World War ii finally ended! The lesson is poignant: When nations coddle radical regimes and embrace their genocidal ambitions, they make catastrophic destruction inevitable! Today, the briskly flowing, unchecked river of anti-Semitism that cut across the planet during the 1930s has been resurrected. If we understand history, we can know that this torrent of hate and violence, when it reaches its high-water mark and finally overflows its banks, will not only engulf the Jews and the Jewish state, but will also spill over and swamp entire nations and regions. In fact, biblical prophecy shows that it will engulf the planet! Two prophecies in particular, one in Hosea 5, the other in Zechariah 14, indicate anti-Semitism?manifested in an intense hatred for the Jewish state and a burning desire to purge Jews from Jerusalem?will play a central role in end-time events. Pray with all your heart as Isaiah recommends. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. Isaiah Chapter 62 ? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????, ????????? ???????????? ??? ?????????, ???-????? ????????? ????????, ????????????? ?????????? ???????. 1 For Zion's sake will I not hold My peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until her triumph go forth as brightness, and her salvation as a torch that burneth. ? ???-??????????? ????????????, ???????????? ?????????--????-??????? ?????-?????????? ???????, ??? ????????; ??????????????, ???-??????--???-??????, ?????. 6 I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, they shall never hold their peace day nor night: 'Ye that are the LORD'S remembrancers, take ye no rest, ? ?????-????????? ?????, ???: ???-???????? ?????-??????? ???-????????????, ?????????--????????. 7 And give Him no rest, till He establish, and till He make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.' ? ????????? ?????? ??????????, ??????????? ??????: ???-?????? ???-????????? ???? ???????, ????????????, ?????-????????? ?????-????? ????????????, ?????? ????????? ????. 8 The LORD hath sworn by His right hand, and by the arm of His strength: Surely I will no more give thy corn to be food for thine enemies; and strangers shall not drink thy wine, for which thou hast laboured; ? ???? ?????????? ??????????, ????????? ???-??????; ????????????? ???????????, ??????????? ????????. {?} 9 But they that have garnered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD, and they that have gathered it shall drink it in the courts of My sanctuary. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Are we just going to have to wait on HaShem to straighten all this out? http://www.web-view.net/Show/0X3018B911D2DA95A51A6F09C416033BC2001E04F11E943 4438186735DBD637488.htm Elisheva/Betty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090504/faa93562/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Mon May 4 11:37:51 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:37:51 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] More Than A Cartoon] In-Reply-To: References: <49FE6B2C.6060606@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: Good point, Avigail! Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Patricia Robbins Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 11:18 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Dialogue] More Than A Cartoon] Thank you, Hanoch, and you too, Joe. It seems the only recourse we have is to stand up for Israel to one and all in and through our personal lives and to decry anti-Semitism cloaked in anti-Israel rhetoric. I have found that the most effective way to get the point across is to say, "Well, one solution is to bring the Palestinians to America. That would be such a blessing to Israel, and then we could reason with them as they try to kill us." Avigail From: JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:12 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] More Than A Cartoon] Shalom Hanoch, Indeed, how little has changed !!!!! Many remember the atrocities of the holocaust, but few remember the lead up to these events. Many think that Great Britain, America and France were immune from antisemitism. But, think again. Guess what??? History is about to repeat itself. This year in September marks the 70th anniversary of WW2. Achim and Achot, Hanoch is very much concerned as we all should be in our own neck of the woods. The drums of antisemitism are pounding loud and clear. I posted recently about the power of Tefillah. Now is the time more than ever. Expose this ugly cancer from the very pits of hell. Shout aloud and reeducate all those around you. If you think that it cannot happen in your neck of the woods.......think again!!!!! Anti-Semitism: Why You Should Be Alarmed >From the May/June 2009 Trumpet Print Edition ? History shows that anti-Semitism is a measure of global tension.? By Brad Macdonald ?Jews to the gas.? ?Jews to the oven.? ?Kill the Jews.? These are standard sentiments in the streets of Tehran and Gaza City. But earlier this year, those chilling slogans, chanted by tens of thousands, echoed up and down the streets of London, Paris and Amsterdam. Yes, you read that correctly. These slogans, of course, filled Germany during World War ii. By that time, Hitler?s unchecked anti-Semitism had matured beyond boycotting Jewish stores, banning Jews from schools, firebombing synagogues and flogging Jews in dark alleys. By the early 1940s, the ultimate expression of hatred toward Jews had emerged: The f?hrer was rounding up Jews like sheep, and cramming them?shocked and naked, men, women and children?into steel chambers, then gassing them. Consider: Tens of thousands of Europeans today seek the reconstruction of Nazi Germany?s gas chambers and ovens. Granted, the recent Continent-wide choir was largely composed of European Muslims protesting Israel?s incursion into Gaza and showing support for Hamas. Native Europeans, for the most part, were by no means condoning 1940s-style Nazi anti-Semitism. That said, the overwhelmingly passive reaction of Europeans to the chilling calls for the mass murder of Jews?by a minority group, on the streets of European cities, suggests the presence of a latent and foreboding anti-Semitism. More worrying is the fact that while European governments, state and city authorities, academics, much of the media and European populace did virtually nothing to tamp down the hate, many?both leaders and citizens?energetically lauded the anti-Semitic chorus. The reality is, anti-Israel sentiment?the slick cousin of anti-Semitism?was and is embraced, encouraged and facilitated in the European mainstream by European politicians, intellectuals and media. Call this 1930s-style anti-Semitism, if you will. And history shows that unless it is checked, it leads directly to Jews being gassed and tossed like worthless fodder into ovens, or what in hindsight might be called 1940s-style anti-Semitism. 1930s-Style Anti-Semitism Much like it is today, hatred toward Jews was politically fashionable and socially acceptable in Britain and the rest of Europe during the 1930s. Historian William Manchester noted this trend in his book The Last Lion. ?The martyrdom of Jews in the 1940s would strip anti-Semitism [in Britain] of its respectability,? wrote Manchester, ?but in the 1930s it was quite an ordinary thing to see restaurants, hotels, clubs, beaches, and residential neighborhoods barred to people with what were delicately called ?dietary requirements.? ? Contempt for [Jews] was not considered bad form. They were widely regarded as unlovable, alien, loud-mouthed, ?flashy? people who enriched themselves at the expense of Gentiles? (emphasis mine throughout). During this time, the British government, high society, the intellectual class and the media?with the exception of a handful of individuals including Winston Churchill?were infected with animosity for Jews and infatuation with Nazism. Among London?s upper crust, Nazism and all it represented had a strange appeal: ?Ladies wore bracelets with swastika charms; young men combed their hair slant across their foreheads? (ibid.). Even Britain?s king, Edward viii, visited Hitler?s Germany, admired the f?hrer, and didn?t lift a finger to curb the growing and blatant acts of anti-Semitism surging in the government and across the country. Similar sentiment prevailed in Europe. ?Poland?s national character, like Germany?s,? wrote Manchester, ?was marred by a livid streak of anti-Semitism ?.? In Hungary, anti-Semitic laws similar to those in Nazi Germany made the persecution of Jews routine. In France in the late ?30s, rowdy crowds, alarmed by the prospect of war with Germany and convinced that Jewish warmongers were at the root of the problem, protested in towns and suburbs, crying ?Death to the Jews, raid the Jews.? As in Britain, a wide and surging river of anti-Semitism, flowing since early medieval times?whose primary source was Europe?s Catholic forbears?ran unchecked through the peoples, classes and governments of Europe. In Germany, the persecution of Jews had been adopted as state policy nearly a decade before the war began. By the mid-?30s, bullying Jews was virtually a national sport. Across the country, wrote Manchester, ?motion picture theaters, shops and restaurants were displaying prominent signs reading ?Juden unerw?nscht? (?Jews not welcome?). Day-to-day existence was becoming increasingly difficult for non-Aryans. ?Fur Juden kein zutritt? (?Jews not admitted?) placards hung outside grocery and butchers? shops; they could not enter dairies to buy milk for their infants, or pharmacies to fill prescriptions, or hotels to find lodging. At every turn they were taunted ?.? Hatred of Jews was as much in vogue in America as it was in Europe. ?The worst period of American anti-Semitism,? wrote history Prof. Leonard Dinnerstein, ?was sandwiched between the ends of World War i and World War ii? (Anti-Semitism in Times of Crisis). By the mid-1940s, recalls Dinnerstein, animosity toward Jews had swelled to the point where many American Jews actually feared that the anti-Semitic pogroms occurring in Nazi Germany were about to spread to America. This global anti-Semitism came with significant consequences. Because hatred of Jews was in style and enormously pervasive, Western leaders during the 1930s were largely blind to the apocalyptic destination of the raging anti-Semitic river. In this sense, the subliminal support given by British, European and American governments and society to Hitler?s anti-Jewish ideology and policies actually made the gas-chamber-style anti-Semitism of the 1940s inevitable! History?s warning is thunderous and undeniable: Pre-World War ii trends in Britain, America and Europe show that anti-Semitism is a barometer of crisis! History Is Repeating In January, the Brussels Journal reported: ?Far from simply being a spate of isolated incidents, as many Europeans claim, anti-Semitic violence is becoming more commonplace in every country in Europe. At the same time, anti-Israel demonstrations, which have strong anti-Semitic overtones, are being held with alarming frequency in cities across Europe? (January 17). With the creation of the Jewish state in 1948 came a new strain of this age-old hatred: anti-Zionism, or opposition to the Jewish state. Today, anti-Semitism, often manifested as anti-Israel sentiment, is as fashionable in Britain and Europe as it was in the 1930s! Writing in the New Statesman in March, Rhoda Koenig, a former New Yorker now living in London, lamented the prevalence of what she termed low-level ?dinner party? anti-Semitism. Anti-Israel, anti-Jewish discussions are not only common among Britain?s elite, she said, but there?s rarely much debate or disagreement on the subject. This suggests a collective intolerance. ?The Palestinian people in Gaza are the new Warsaw ghetto,? declared British mp George Galloway earlier this year, ?and those who are murdering them are the equivalent of those who murdered the Jews in Warsaw in 1943.? ?Jew-baiting is especially intense in the UK,? wrote Isi Leibler in the Jerusalem Post. ?Prominent Jews encounter death threats. Students at Oxford University have gleefully proclaimed that in five years, their campus ?would be a Jew-free zone.? A high-ranking British diplomat was arrested after publicly launching a foul-mouthed anti-Semitic tirade. The London-based Royal Court Theater is staging a viciously anti-Israeli play by Caryl Churchill that Melanie Phillips described in the Spectator as reminiscent of anti-Semitic plays performed in the Middle Ages portraying Jews as demonic Christ-killers? (February 15). Anti-Semitism is once again fashionable in Britain. No wonder anti-Semitic incidents are skyrocketing. The Community Security Trust reported that the number of attacks against Jews was more than six times higher in the four weeks after Operation Cast Lead began than in the same period last year. Jew-beatings are increasingly common, and prominent Jews have been encouraged by authorities to step up personal security as many are on hit lists. These days, in many cases, Jewish functions require a team of bodyguards to protect participants. During one demonstration in London earlier this year, participants?many of whom were native Britons?as well as police and onlookers, didn?t object to a man dressed as a Jewish caricature, replete with a mask of a long, crooked nose, pretending to eat babies. During the 1930s, many in Britain lauded Hitler?s anti-Semitism. Today, many in Britain condone, even embrace, Islam?s hatred for Jews and the Jewish state. Britain is more infatuated with the forces seeking its destruction than it is loyal to friends needing its assistance! As during the 1930s, certain influences within Britain are empowering its enemy and facilitating the eventual destruction of an ally. In Europe, the river of anti-Semitism that carved through the Continent, swelling Nazi Germany?s pre-war anti-Jew ambitions, has reappeared today, and flows as briskly as ever. Though their hatred is cloaked in anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian rhetoric and gestures, many European leaders are sanctioning, even promoting, the persecution of Jews. Take Harry van Bommel, for example, the native Dutch mp who earlier this year called for a new intifada against Israel. In France, young thugs were recently caught on camera marching through a supermarket shouting anti-Jew epithets and smashing food products imported from Israel. Increasingly, even business leaders and politicians are demanding boycotts against products made in Israel. This often means the boycotting of Jewish-owned stores. In Italy, Giancarlo Desiderati, spokesman for the Flaica-cub trade union, demanded a boycott of all Jewish shops in Rome, and warned Romans, in a leaflet distributed by his outfit, that goods they purchase from Jewish-owned stores are ?tainted by blood.? These are flagrant attempts?in Europe no less, the so-called modern bastion of multiculturalism and tolerance?to put Jews out of business. Exactly the same measures were occurring in Europe prior to the Holocaust. Serge Benhaim, president of a Jewish community in Paris, described daily life for many Jews in France: ?Almost every day we witness severe racially motivated incidents, and tension has only intensified after the operation in Gaza. We don?t take the train after 7 p.m., we wear a skullcap only under a hat, and our youths don?t wander the streets late at night anymore.? That?s 1930s-style anti-Semitism! The National Bureau of Vigilance Against Anti-Semitism in France reported that within about three weeks of the war in Gaza starting, it had received more than 100 reports of violence against Jews. Synagogues, Jewish centers and Jewish memorials are regularly firebombed and ransacked. Jews are persecuted, verbally abused and beaten. Earlier this year in Denmark, two Israelis were shot and wounded in a shopping mall. In Belgium, Jewish schools are being desecrated; Jewish community leaders are receiving death threats; and a plot to burn a Jewish family alive was foiled. During many of the anti-Israel demonstrations throughout Europe, Nazi imagery was resurrected; signs and chants likened Israeli soldiers to Nazi troops, the Gaza Strip was compared to Auschwitz, and the Star of David was replaced with Nazi swastikas. It?s sadly ironic. By condoning, even joining, the movement to liken Jews to Nazis, native Britons and Europeans are making Nazi-style destruction inevitable! In some parts of Denmark, school authorities are refusing to accept Jewish students?some out of fear it might upset the Muslim students, others because they despise Israel. In Britain, Jewish schoolchildren are bullied for belonging to a people supposedly ?with blood on their hands.? Let?s not misunderstand: While there was a surge in anti-Jewish incidents in the wake of Israel?s incursion into Gaza in January, the war was more of an excuse or outlet for venting latent, abiding prejudice and hatred than a root cause of the current surge in anti-Semitism! The global financial crisis has been exploited in much the same manner. In February, the Anti-Defamation League reported on a survey it had commissioned that found nearly a third of Europeans blame Jews for the global economic meltdown and that a large number of Europeans believe Jews have too much power in the business world. In Spain, 74 percent of those polled said they felt it was ?probably true? that Jews hold too much sway over the global financial markets. Nearly two thirds lamented that the Jews were more loyal to Israel than their home countries. This is not new: For centuries anti-Semitism has been a valve through which mounting tensions are released! When the plague decimated Europe in the late Middle Ages, for example, blame was pinned by many on the Jews. Where Will It End? The Second World War broke up the 1930s love affair with Nazism. Although Hitler?s unspeakable acts finally prodded Britain and Western Europe into doing something to stop the atrocities, 60 million lives were sacrificed before World War ii finally ended! The lesson is poignant: When nations coddle radical regimes and embrace their genocidal ambitions, they make catastrophic destruction inevitable! Today, the briskly flowing, unchecked river of anti-Semitism that cut across the planet during the 1930s has been resurrected. If we understand history, we can know that this torrent of hate and violence, when it reaches its high-water mark and finally overflows its banks, will not only engulf the Jews and the Jewish state, but will also spill over and swamp entire nations and regions. In fact, biblical prophecy shows that it will engulf the planet! Two prophecies in particular, one in Hosea 5, the other in Zechariah 14, indicate anti-Semitism?manifested in an intense hatred for the Jewish state and a burning desire to purge Jews from Jerusalem?will play a central role in end-time events. Pray with all your heart as Isaiah recommends. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. Isaiah Chapter 62 ? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????, ????????? ???????????? ??? ?????????, ???-????? ????????? ????????, ????????????? ?????????? ???????. 1 For Zion's sake will I not hold My peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until her triumph go forth as brightness, and her salvation as a torch that burneth. ? ???-??????????? ????????????, ???????????? ?????????--????-??????? ?????-?????????? ???????, ??? ????????; ??????????????, ???-??????--???-??????, ?????. 6 I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, they shall never hold their peace day nor night: 'Ye that are the LORD'S remembrancers, take ye no rest, ? ?????-????????? ?????, ???: ???-???????? ?????-??????? ???-????????????, ?????????--????????. 7 And give Him no rest, till He establish, and till He make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.' ? ????????? ?????? ??????????, ??????????? ??????: ???-?????? ???-????????? ???? ???????, ????????????, ?????-????????? ?????-????? ????????????, ?????? ????????? ????. 8 The LORD hath sworn by His right hand, and by the arm of His strength: Surely I will no more give thy corn to be food for thine enemies; and strangers shall not drink thy wine, for which thou hast laboured; ? ???? ?????????? ??????????, ????????? ???-??????; ????????????? ???????????, ??????????? ????????. {?} 9 But they that have garnered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD, and they that have gathered it shall drink it in the courts of My sanctuary. _____ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are > interested, http://www.responsibletechnology.org/ has some information. It > seems that the only way to avoid GM foods is to eat everything organic, not > always that easy. If any of you have any other sites, I would be interested. > Betty Eddy > ** > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090504/5e1c6ee6/attachment.html From betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com Mon May 4 19:56:14 2009 From: betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com (Betty Eddy) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] More Than A Cartoon] Message-ID: <487975.80884.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Was it on here where I saw that Obama signed an executive order to spend 20 million or was it billion to do just that? He signed it in the dark the other night. Betty Eddy --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Patricia Robbins wrote: From: Patricia Robbins Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Dialogue] More Than A Cartoon] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:17 AM Thank you, Hanoch, and you too, Joe.? It seems the only recourse we have is to stand up for Israel to one and all in and through our personal lives and to decry anti-Semitism cloaked in anti-Israel rhetoric.? I have found that the most effective way to get the point across is to say, "Well, one solution is to bring the Palestinians to America.? That would be such a blessing to Israel, and then we could reason with them as they try to kill us." ? Avigail From: JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:12 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] More Than A Cartoon] Shalom Hanoch, Indeed, how little has changed !!!!! Many remember the atrocities of the holocaust, but few remember the lead up to these events. Many think that Great Britain, America and France were immune from antisemitism. But, think again. Guess what??? History is about to repeat itself. This year in September marks the 70th anniversary of WW2. Achim and Achot, Hanoch is very much concerned as we all should be in our own neck of the woods. The drums of antisemitism are pounding loud and clear. I posted recently about the power of Tefillah. Now is the time more than ever. Expose this ugly cancer from the very pits of hell. Shout aloud and reeducate all those around you. If you think that it cannot happen in your neck of the woods.......think again!!!!! Anti-Semitism: Why You Should Be Alarmed From the May/June 2009 Trumpet Print Edition ?History shows that anti-Semitism is a measure of global tension.? By Brad Macdonald ? ?Jews to the gas.? ?Jews to the oven.? ?Kill the Jews.? These are standard sentiments in the streets of Tehran and Gaza City. But earlier this year, those chilling slogans, chanted by tens of thousands, echoed up and down the streets of London, Paris and Amsterdam. Yes, you read that correctly. These slogans, of course, filled Germany during World War ii. By that time, Hitler?s unchecked anti-Semitism had matured beyond boycotting Jewish stores, banning Jews from schools, firebombing synagogues and flogging Jews in dark alleys. By the early 1940s, the ultimate expression of hatred toward Jews had emerged: The f?hrer was rounding up Jews like sheep, and cramming them?shocked and naked, men, women and children?into steel chambers, then gassing them. Consider: Tens of thousands of Europeans today seek the reconstruction of Nazi Germany?s gas chambers and ovens. Granted, the recent Continent-wide choir was largely composed of European Muslims protesting Israel?s incursion into Gaza and showing support for Hamas. Native Europeans, for the most part, were by no means condoning 1940s-style Nazi anti-Semitism. That said, the overwhelmingly passive reaction of Europeans to the chilling calls for the mass murder of Jews?by a minority group, on the streets of European cities, suggests the presence of a latent and foreboding anti-Semitism. More worrying is the fact that while European governments, state and city authorities, academics, much of the media and European populace did virtually nothing to tamp down the hate, many?both leaders and citizens?energetically lauded the anti-Semitic chorus. The reality is, anti-Israel sentiment?the slick cousin of anti-Semitism?was and is embraced, encouraged and facilitated in the European mainstream by European politicians, intellectuals and media. Call this 1930s-style anti-Semitism, if you will. And history shows that unless it is checked, it leads directly to Jews being gassed and tossed like worthless fodder into ovens, or what in hindsight might be called 1940s-style anti-Semitism. 1930s-Style Anti-Semitism Much like it is today, hatred toward Jews was politically fashionable and socially acceptable in Britain and the rest of Europe during the 1930s. Historian William Manchester noted this trend in his book The Last Lion. ?The martyrdom of Jews in the 1940s would strip anti-Semitism [in Britain] of its respectability,? wrote Manchester, ?but in the 1930s it was quite an ordinary thing to see restaurants, hotels, clubs, beaches, and residential neighborhoods barred to people with what were delicately called ?dietary requirements.? ? Contempt for [Jews] was not considered bad form. They were widely regarded as unlovable, alien, loud-mouthed, ?flashy? people who enriched themselves at the expense of Gentiles? (emphasis mine throughout). During this time, the British government, high society, the intellectual class and the media?with the exception of a handful of individuals including Winston Churchill?were infected with animosity for Jews and infatuation with Nazism. Among London?s upper crust, Nazism and all it represented had a strange appeal: ?Ladies wore bracelets with swastika charms; young men combed their hair slant across their foreheads? (ibid.). Even Britain?s king, Edward viii, visited Hitler?s Germany, admired the f?hrer, and didn?t lift a finger to curb the growing and blatant acts of anti-Semitism surging in the government and across the country. Similar sentiment prevailed in Europe. ?Poland?s national character, like Germany?s,? wrote Manchester, ?was marred by a livid streak of anti-Semitism ?.? In Hungary, anti-Semitic laws similar to those in Nazi Germany made the persecution of Jews routine. In France in the late ?30s, rowdy crowds, alarmed by the prospect of war with Germany and convinced that Jewish warmongers were at the root of the problem, protested in towns and suburbs, crying ?Death to the Jews, raid the Jews.? As in Britain, a wide and surging river of anti-Semitism, flowing since early medieval times?whose primary source was Europe?s Catholic forbears?ran unchecked through the peoples, classes and governments of Europe. In Germany, the persecution of Jews had been adopted as state policy nearly a decade before the war began. By the mid-?30s, bullying Jews was virtually a national sport. Across the country, wrote Manchester, ?motion picture theaters, shops and restaurants were displaying prominent signs reading ?Juden unerw?nscht? (?Jews not welcome?). Day-to-day existence was becoming increasingly difficult for non-Aryans. ?Fur Juden kein zutritt? (?Jews not admitted?) placards hung outside grocery and butchers? shops; they could not enter dairies to buy milk for their infants, or pharmacies to fill prescriptions, or hotels to find lodging. At every turn they were taunted ?.? Hatred of Jews was as much in vogue in America as it was in Europe. ?The worst period of American anti-Semitism,? wrote history Prof. Leonard Dinnerstein, ?was sandwiched between the ends of World War i and World War ii? (Anti-Semitism in Times of Crisis). By the mid-1940s, recalls Dinnerstein, animosity toward Jews had swelled to the point where many American Jews actually feared that the anti-Semitic pogroms occurring in Nazi Germany were about to spread to America. This global anti-Semitism came with significant consequences. Because hatred of Jews was in style and enormously pervasive, Western leaders during the 1930s were largely blind to the apocalyptic destination of the raging anti-Semitic river. In this sense, the subliminal support given by British, European and American governments and society to Hitler?s anti-Jewish ideology and policies actually made the gas-chamber-style anti-Semitism of the 1940s inevitable! History?s warning is thunderous and undeniable: Pre-World War ii trends in Britain, America and Europe show that anti-Semitism is a barometer of crisis! History Is Repeating In January, the Brussels Journal reported: ?Far from simply being a spate of isolated incidents, as many Europeans claim, anti-Semitic violence is becoming more commonplace in every country in Europe. At the same time, anti-Israel demonstrations, which have strong anti-Semitic overtones, are being held with alarming frequency in cities across Europe? (January 17). With the creation of the Jewish state in 1948 came a new strain of this age-old hatred: anti-Zionism, or opposition to the Jewish state. Today, anti-Semitism, often manifested as anti-Israel sentiment, is as fashionable in Britain and Europe as it was in the 1930s! Writing in the New Statesman in March, Rhoda Koenig, a former New Yorker now living in London, lamented the prevalence of what she termed low-level ?dinner party? anti-Semitism. Anti-Israel, anti-Jewish discussions are not only common among Britain?s elite, she said, but there?s rarely much debate or disagreement on the subject. This suggests a collective intolerance. ?The Palestinian people in Gaza are the new Warsaw ghetto,? declared British mp George Galloway earlier this year, ?and those who are murdering them are the equivalent of those who murdered the Jews in Warsaw in 1943.? ?Jew-baiting is especially intense in the UK,? wrote Isi Leibler in the Jerusalem Post. ?Prominent Jews encounter death threats. Students at Oxford University have gleefully proclaimed that in five years, their campus ?would be a Jew-free zone.? A high-ranking British diplomat was arrested after publicly launching a foul-mouthed anti-Semitic tirade. The London-based Royal Court Theater is staging a viciously anti-Israeli play by Caryl Churchill that Melanie Phillips described in the Spectator as reminiscent of anti-Semitic plays performed in the Middle Ages portraying Jews as demonic Christ-killers? (February 15). Anti-Semitism is once again fashionable in Britain. No wonder anti-Semitic incidents are skyrocketing. The Community Security Trust reported that the number of attacks against Jews was more than six times higher in the four weeks after Operation Cast Lead began than in the same period last year. Jew-beatings are increasingly common, and prominent Jews have been encouraged by authorities to step up personal security as many are on hit lists. These days, in many cases, Jewish functions require a team of bodyguards to protect participants. During one demonstration in London earlier this year, participants?many of whom were native Britons?as well as police and onlookers, didn?t object to a man dressed as a Jewish caricature, replete with a mask of a long, crooked nose, pretending to eat babies. During the 1930s, many in Britain lauded Hitler?s anti-Semitism. Today, many in Britain condone, even embrace, Islam?s hatred for Jews and the Jewish state. Britain is more infatuated with the forces seeking its destruction than it is loyal to friends needing its assistance! As during the 1930s, certain influences within Britain are empowering its enemy and facilitating the eventual destruction of an ally. In Europe, the river of anti-Semitism that carved through the Continent, swelling Nazi Germany?s pre-war anti-Jew ambitions, has reappeared today, and flows as briskly as ever. Though their hatred is cloaked in anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian rhetoric and gestures, many European leaders are sanctioning, even promoting, the persecution of Jews. Take Harry van Bommel, for example, the native Dutch mp who earlier this year called for a new intifada against Israel. In France, young thugs were recently caught on camera marching through a supermarket shouting anti-Jew epithets and smashing food products imported from Israel. Increasingly, even business leaders and politicians are demanding boycotts against products made in Israel. This often means the boycotting of Jewish-owned stores. In Italy, Giancarlo Desiderati, spokesman for the Flaica-cub trade union, demanded a boycott of all Jewish shops in Rome, and warned Romans, in a leaflet distributed by his outfit, that goods they purchase from Jewish-owned stores are ?tainted by blood.? These are flagrant attempts?in Europe no less, the so-called modern bastion of multiculturalism and tolerance?to put Jews out of business. Exactly the same measures were occurring in Europe prior to the Holocaust. Serge Benhaim, president of a Jewish community in Paris, described daily life for many Jews in France: ?Almost every day we witness severe racially motivated incidents, and tension has only intensified after the operation in Gaza. We don?t take the train after 7 p.m., we wear a skullcap only under a hat, and our youths don?t wander the streets late at night anymore.? That?s 1930s-style anti-Semitism! The National Bureau of Vigilance Against Anti-Semitism in France reported that within about three weeks of the war in Gaza starting, it had received more than 100 reports of violence against Jews. Synagogues, Jewish centers and Jewish memorials are regularly firebombed and ransacked. Jews are persecuted, verbally abused and beaten. Earlier this year in Denmark, two Israelis were shot and wounded in a shopping mall. In Belgium, Jewish schools are being desecrated; Jewish community leaders are receiving death threats; and a plot to burn a Jewish family alive was foiled. During many of the anti-Israel demonstrations throughout Europe, Nazi imagery was resurrected; signs and chants likened Israeli soldiers to Nazi troops, the Gaza Strip was compared to Auschwitz, and the Star of David was replaced with Nazi swastikas. It?s sadly ironic. By condoning, even joining, the movement to liken Jews to Nazis, native Britons and Europeans are making Nazi-style destruction inevitable! In some parts of Denmark, school authorities are refusing to accept Jewish students?some out of fear it might upset the Muslim students, others because they despise Israel. In Britain, Jewish schoolchildren are bullied for belonging to a people supposedly ?with blood on their hands.? Let?s not misunderstand: While there was a surge in anti-Jewish incidents in the wake of Israel?s incursion into Gaza in January, the war was more of an excuse or outlet for venting latent, abiding prejudice and hatred than a root cause of the current surge in anti-Semitism! The global financial crisis has been exploited in much the same manner. In February, the Anti-Defamation League reported on a survey it had commissioned that found nearly a third of Europeans blame Jews for the global economic meltdown and that a large number of Europeans believe Jews have too much power in the business world. In Spain, 74 percent of those polled said they felt it was ?probably true? that Jews hold too much sway over the global financial markets. Nearly two thirds lamented that the Jews were more loyal to Israel than their home countries. This is not new: For centuries anti-Semitism has been a valve through which mounting tensions are released! When the plague decimated Europe in the late Middle Ages, for example, blame was pinned by many on the Jews. Where Will It End? The Second World War broke up the 1930s love affair with Nazism. Although Hitler?s unspeakable acts finally prodded Britain and Western Europe into doing something to stop the atrocities, 60 million lives were sacrificed before World War ii finally ended! The lesson is poignant: When nations coddle radical regimes and embrace their genocidal ambitions, they make catastrophic destruction inevitable! Today, the briskly flowing, unchecked river of anti-Semitism that cut across the planet during the 1930s has been resurrected. If we understand history, we can know that this torrent of hate and violence, when it reaches its high-water mark and finally overflows its banks, will not only engulf the Jews and the Jewish state, but will also spill over and swamp entire nations and regions. In fact, biblical prophecy shows that it will engulf the planet! Two prophecies in particular, one in Hosea 5, the other in Zechariah 14, indicate anti-Semitism?manifested in an intense hatred for the Jewish state and a burning desire to purge Jews from Jerusalem?will play a central role in end-time events. Pray with all your heart as Isaiah recommends. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. ????????????????????????????????????????????? Isaiah Chapter 62 ? ????????? ??????? ??? ????????, ????????? ???????????? ??? ?????????, ???-????? ????????? ????????, ????????????? ?????????? ???????. 1 For Zion's sake will I not hold My peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until her triumph go forth as brightness, and her salvation as a torch that burneth. ??????-??????????? ????????????, ???????????? ?????????--????-??????? ?????-?????????? ???????, ??? ????????; ??????????????, ???-??????--???-??????, ?????. 6 I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, they shall never hold their peace day nor night: 'Ye that are the LORD'S remembrancers, take ye no rest, ????????-????????? ?????, ???:? ???-???????? ?????-??????? ???-????????????, ?????????--????????. 7 And give Him no rest, till He establish, and till He make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.' ???????????? ?????? ??????????, ??????????? ??????:? ???-?????? ???-????????? ???? ???????, ????????????, ?????-????????? ?????-????? ????????????, ?????? ????????? ????. 8 The LORD hath sworn by His right hand, and by the arm of His strength: Surely I will no more give thy corn to be food for thine enemies; and strangers shall not drink thy wine, for which thou hast laboured; ??????? ?????????? ??????????, ????????? ???-??????; ????????????? ???????????, ??????????? ????????.? {?} 9 But they that have garnered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD, and they that have gathered it shall drink it in the courts of My sanctuary.? _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hanoch Your Individual Path by Rav Lazer Brody Each of us has his or her own individual personal path. Our path in life is as unique as our fingerprint, in accordance with our mission in life, former reincarnations, and our individual tikkun. Although there are general tasks that each person must do on this earth, each person has a unique and individual way of completing a given task. One cannot attain happiness or fulfillment in life without ascertaining his or her unique path. Without personal prayer, this is virtually impossible. Personal prayer can't be found in any book; not only does it change from person to person, it changes within a person himself from day to day and from hour to hour, according to a person's current circumstances and according to the stimuli that Hashem sends at that given moment. - The Garden of Yearning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/b86c8853/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Mon May 4 21:53:44 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:53:44 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Our individual path In-Reply-To: <050520090217.29714.49FFA1CB000C32150000741222230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <855590370905030424j56116e48wd670ab983f6d0c4f@mail.gmail.com> <050520090217.29714.49FFA1CB000C32150000741222230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <855590370905041953n248f67a6x757caeeedc58819f@mail.gmail.com> Hey John, Sorry pal, I'm in Ohio for 4 days with Eddie Chumney & a Pastor from Pakistan(!) . Honestly, I had not even noticed that mention - you'll have to contact Rav Lazer, it's not a view that I personally know much (or care much) about. Take care bro, * Hanoch * On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:17 PM, wrote: > Hey Hanoch, > > I just had a chance to read this. I agree with most of it but one thing in > particular caught my eye. > > Reincarnations? > > -- > Eliron/John. > > "Be excellent to each other!" > Bill and Ted > > > -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : > -------------- > > It's SO easy for me to want to have the musical talents of guys like Tracy, > John and Dave...but we all have something else that we're supposed to bring > to the table, it seems.... > * Hanoch > Your Individual Path* by Rav Lazer Brody > Each of us has his or her own individual personal path. Our path in life is > as unique as our fingerprint, in accordance with our mission in life, former > reincarnations, and our individual tikkun. Although there are general tasks > that each person must do on this earth, each person has a unique and > individual way of completing a given task. One cannot attain happiness or > fulfillment in life without ascertaining his or her unique path. Without > personal prayer, this is virtually impossible. Personal prayer can't be > found in any book; not only does it change from person to person, it changes > within a person himself from day to day and from hour to hour, according to > a person's current circumstances and according to the stimuli that Hashem > sends at that given moment. - The Garden of Yearning > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090504/2f3ae58e/attachment.html From mhyde7 at tds.net Mon May 4 22:45:27 2009 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde7 tds.net) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:45:27 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Our individual path In-Reply-To: <050520090217.29714.49FFA1CB000C32150000741222230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <855590370905030424j56116e48wd670ab983f6d0c4f@mail.gmail.com> <050520090217.29714.49FFA1CB000C32150000741222230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: hey John, Judaism teaches quite a bit about the cycle of the soul or reincarnation. If your nterested do some searcing in the jewsh encyc. or maybe even weki, migh hve some info. It's been years since I read much along those lines. I ersonally find it quite intersting and maybe the only way to explain some things. Regardless if you lke the idea or not it makes more sense to me then Christian teaching. As best as I rerember messiah and elijah are thought to be the same peron/soul. Mat 16:13 Now when Jesus came into the parts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Who do men say that the Son of man is? Mat 16:14 And they said, Some *say* John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:17 PM, wrote: > Hey Hanoch, > > I just had a chance to read this. I agree with most of it but one thing in > particular caught my eye. > > Reincarnations? > > -- > Eliron/John. > > "Be excellent to each other!" > Bill and Ted > > > -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : > -------------- > > It's SO easy for me to want to have the musical talents of guys like Tracy, > John and Dave...but we all have something else that we're supposed to bring > to the table, it seems.... > * Hanoch > Your Individual Path* by Rav Lazer Brody > Each of us has his or her own individual personal path. Our path in life is > as unique as our fingerprint, in accordance with our mission in life, former > reincarnations, and our individual tikkun. Although there are general tasks > that each person must do on this earth, each person has a unique and > individual way of completing a given task. One cannot attain happiness or > fulfillment in life without ascertaining his or her unique path. Without > personal prayer, this is virtually impossible. Personal prayer can't be > found in any book; not only does it change from person to person, it changes > within a person himself from day to day and from hour to hour, according to > a person's current circumstances and according to the stimuli that Hashem > sends at that given moment. - The Garden of Yearning > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090504/c80170aa/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Fri May 1 06:01:23 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 04:01:23 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] The Late Great State of Israel Message-ID: <855590370905010401m636cc87r9e528a344a6c72a3@mail.gmail.com> The time is short, and the tasks are great. How much are YOU willing to do?? * Hanoch* *The Late Great State of Israel* Aaron Klein - Apr 29, 2009 A crucial new book was released this week that every supporter of Israel must read. It`s called "The Late Great State of Israel." In the book, author and WorldNetDaily.com Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein documents the unprecedented, mortal danger that Israel faces. The subtitle of the book ? released as Israel celebrates its independence ? reads, "How enemies within and without threaten the Jewish nation`s survival." "The greatest threat, the one that magnifies all others exponentially, is that only a few in Israel or abroad are aware of the real extent of the dangers facing the Jewish country ? both from within and without," writes Klein. The book is a clarion call for all supporters of Israel. The great Mideast democracy is headed down a road that, if not altered, may result in catastrophe, warns Klein. Klein pulls no punches, fingering the Israeli government as often being its own worst enemy. He also shows how policies from the Obama administration and international community harm Israel`s interests and how Iran, Hamas, Palestinian terrorists and a host of other players are poised to end the Mideast democracy once and for all. If Israel falls, America will be next in line, argues Klein. Among the highlights of "The Late Great State of Israel." * How the Israeli government has turned a blind eye as Islamic authorities physically erase archaeological evidence on the Temple Mount, including actual Temple artifacts. * How Jerusalem ALREADY has been divided. * Is Obama poised to legitimize Hamas terrorists? Plus, how Obama`s Mideast policies, including talks with Iran and Syria, threaten the Jewish state and, ultimately, America. * How Iran is positioning its proxies to wreck havoc on Israel while Tehran inches toward nuclear weapons. * How the U.N. fuels a fake "refugee crisis" that directly threatens Israel`s existence. * How and why Israel failed in its recent 22-day war in Gaza. * How the U.S. funds and fuels Mideast terrorism * How the news media is covering for terrorists and playing a dangerous lying game about the Mideast and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In doing so, how they are emboldening the enemies of the U.S. and Israel * Israel`s peace partner exposed; and much more. "Unless these perils are countered soon," writes Klein, "the only remnant of the Jewish country may soon be an epitaph: `The Late, Great State of Israel 3965 W. 83rd. Street #292 Shawnee Mission, KS 66208 I Phone: 913.648.0022 I Fax: 913.648.7997 This site is designed for standards compliant browsers. If your browser is not standards compliant, download one here . Website copyright ? 2006. Unity Coalition for Israel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090501/65e18d4e/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Sun May 3 06:04:52 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 04:04:52 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Our individual path Message-ID: <855590370905030404w3d736cdex21947d430ce2dee5@mail.gmail.com> It's SO easy for me to want to have the musical talents of guys like Tracy, John and Dave...but we all have something else that we're supposed to bring to the table, it seems.... * Hanoch* *Your Individual Path* by Rav Lazer Brody ** *Each of us has his or her own individual personal path. Our path in life is as unique as our fingerprint, in accordance with our mission in life, former reincarnations, and our individual tikkun. Although there are general tasks that each person must do on this earth, each person has a unique and individual way of completing a given task. One cannot attain happiness or fulfillment in life without ascertaining his or her unique path. Without personal prayer, this is virtually impossible. Personal prayer can't be found in any book; not only does it change from person to person, it changes within a person himself from day to day and from hour to hour, according to a person's current circumstances and according to the stimuli that Hashem sends at that given moment. - The Garden of Yearning* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090503/42c5e69f/attachment.html From ptyler at aac-usa.com Sun May 3 13:12:05 2009 From: ptyler at aac-usa.com (Patty ) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 14:12:05 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] FYI: The search for Biblical Tamar (Ezek 48) In-Reply-To: References: <047f01c9c8d7$9fca5110$df5ef330$@com> Message-ID: <09fa01c9cc1a$abc5c210$03514630$@com> The search for Biblical Tamar (Ezek 48) Tamar, Tamdar Syria, Hazazon-tamar and Tamara/Thamara and the southern border of Israel "The south side toward the south shall extend from Tamar as far as the waters of Meribath-kadesh, to the brook of Egypt and to the Great Sea. This is the south side toward the south." Ezekiel 47:19 "And adjoining the territory of Gad to the south, the boundary shall run from Tamar to the waters of Meribah-kadesh, from there along the Brook of Egypt to the Great Sea." Ezekiel 48:28 http://www.bible.ca/archeology/maps-bible-archeology-exodus-kadesh-barnea-so uthern-border-judah-territory-tamar-ezek-47-19.jpg Introduction: 1. The southern border of Israel is stated in: Ezekiel 47:19; 48:28. 2. There quite a bit of confusion trying to separate out the names of these cities. 3. We have determined that there are three distinct places: 1. Tamar/Tamdar Syria. 2. Hazazon-tamar (engedi). 3. Tamara/Thamara A. Tamar: (Arabah Valley) 1. This Tamar must be located in the Arabah Valley. The exact location is unknown. 2. It is this reference that caught our eye, since it is mentioned in connection with the southern border of Judah and is one of the rare mentions of Kadesh. 3. Referenced only twice in Ezekiel during the Babylonian Captivity (586 - 516 BC) -"The south side toward the south shall extend from Tamar as far as the waters of Meribath-kadesh, to the brook of Egypt and to the Great Sea. This is the south side toward the south." Ezekiel 47:19 -"And adjoining the territory of Gad to the south, the boundary shall run from Tamar to the waters of Meribah-kadesh, from there along the Brook of Egypt to the Great Sea." Ezekiel 48:28 4. The location of this Tamar must be south of the Dead Sea. Its exact location if unknown. Aharioni and Rudolph Cohen believes that Ein Haseva is the location of this Tamar. This identification is uncertain, given a review of the reasons why Aharioni and Cohen chose Ein Haseva the Tamar of Ezek 47. B. Tamdar Syria (Tamar): http://www.bible.ca/archeology/maps-bible-archeology-exodus-kadesh-barnea-so uthern-border-judah-territory-tamdar-syria-2chron8-4.jpg 1. Built by Solomon in 1000 BC. It is located at modern Palmyra Syria, 160 km south west of the Euphrates River and 225 north west of Damascus. 2. There are only verses that mention Tamar/Tamdar (parallel verses): 1 Ki 9:17-19 and 2 Chron 8:1-4. Rudolph Cohen mistakenly uses these verses in reference to Ein Haseva . 3. In one parallel passage it is spelled Tamar, in the other it is Tamdar. Alternate spellings of towns are common in the Bible and are because different cultures refer to the same place in their own languages. -"so Solomon rebuilt Gezer and Lower Beth-horon and Baalath and Tamar in the wilderness, in the land of Judah, and all the store cities that Solomon had, and the cities for his chariots, and the cities for his horsemen, and whatever Solomon desired to build in Jerusalem, in Lebanon, and in all the land of his dominion." 1 Kings 9:17-19 -"At the end of twenty years, in which Solomon had built the house of the Lord and his own house, Solomon rebuilt the cities that Hiram had given to him, and settled the people of Israel in them. And Solomon went to Hamath-zobah and took it. He built Tadmor in the wilderness and all the store cities that he built in Hamath." 2 Chronicles 8:1-4 4. 1 Ki 9:18 says: Tamar in the wilderness, in the land of Judah. Important to note that the words, "of Judah" are not in the original Hebrew and many Bible translations do not add them. Had the words "of Judah" been in the original Hebrew text, it would make quite a difference. But they are not. Of course it is curious that the text does say, "in the land" and that seems to imply it was in the land of Israel. This makes sense, since David controlled, as part of Israel, all the way to the Euphrates. 5. Hamath-zobah is a combination of two different kingdoms conquered by David and Solomon: Hamath + Zobah = Hamath-zobah. 6. It is clear that "Tadmor in the wilderness" is near the Euphrates River as it is connected directly in the texts with Hamath-zobah, which are also north east of Damascus. When the two kings "Hamath" and "Zobah" were defeated, the area became known as "Hamath-zobah". "Now when Tou king of Hamath heard that David had defeated all the army of Hadadezer king of Zobah," 1 Chronicles 18:9 "David also defeated Hadadezer king of Zobah as far as Hamath, as he went to establish his rule to the Euphrates River." 1 Chronicles 18:3 "Now when the sons of Ammon saw that they had become odious to David, the sons of Ammon sent and hired the Arameans of Beth-rehob and the Arameans of Zobah, 20,000 foot soldiers, and the king of Maacah with 1,000 men, and the men of Tob with 12,000 men." 2 Samuel 10:6 "When the Arameans of Damascus came to help Hadadezer, king of Zobah, David killed 22,000 Arameans." 2 Samuel 8:5 7. What is also interesting is that the boundaries of Solomon were from Hamath to the Wadi el Arish (river of Egypt): -"So Solomon observed the feast at that time, and all Israel with him, a great assembly from the entrance of Hamath to the brook of Egypt, before the Lord our God, for seven days and seven more days, even fourteen days." 1 Kings 8:65 -"David also defeated Hadadezer king of Zobah as far as Hamath, as he went to establish his rule to the Euphrates River." 1 Chronicles 18:3 8. These two parallel verses show us the two spellings of Solomon's town: Tamar and Tadmor. Tamar in the wilderness of Judah (Note that the words, "of Judah" are not in the original Hebrew and many translations do not add them.) Tadmor in the wilderness "so Solomon rebuilt Gezer) and Lower Beth-horon and Baalath and Tamar in the wilderness, in the land of Judah, and all the store cities that Solomon had, and the cities for his chariots, and the cities for his horsemen, and whatever Solomon desired to build in Jerusalem, in Lebanon, and in all the land of his dominion." 1 Kings 9:17-19 " At the end of twenty years, in which Solomon had built the house of the Lord and his own house, Solomon rebuilt the cities that Hiram had given to him, and settled the people of Israel in them. And Solomon went to Hamath-zobah and took it. He built Tadmor in the wilderness and all the store cities that he built in Hamath." 2 Chronicles 8:1-4 C. Hazazon-tamar (Engedi): 1. The identification of this Tamar is certain: Engedi, which is located on the western shore of the Dead Sea. 2. Hazazon-tamar is an ancient city that dates back to the time of Abraham. 3. There are only two Bible verses that mention Hazazon-tamar: -"Then some came and reported to Jehoshaphat, saying, "A great multitude is coming against you from beyond the sea, out of Aram and behold, they are in Hazazon-tamar (that is Engedi)." 2 Chronicles 20:2 -"Then they turned back and came to En-mishpat (that is, Kadesh), and conquered all the country of the Amalekites, and also the Amorites, who lived in Hazazon-tamar." Genesis 14:7 4. The question is whether the Tamar of Engedi is the same Tamar of Ezekiel 47:19. D. The Madaba Map: Thamara/Tamara and Ein Haseva 1. Some believe that Eusebius in 325 AD and the Madaba Map in 600 AD, make reference to Biblical "Tamar" mentioned in Ezekiel 47:19. 2. There are only two Tamars that the Madaba map could be referring to: Engedi or the one in Ezekiel 47:19. 3. It is clear that the Madaba map could not be referring to Engedi, giving the general geographic location of the city of Tamara being second city south of the Dead Sea. 4. Many people believe that the Madaba map city of Tamara is located at Ein Haseva. This may be true, but it is a guess. 5. However it may be a good guess since Eusebius said: "Asasan Thamar (Asasonthamar). Where the Amorrites dwelled whom Chodollagomor destroyed is located near the wilderness of Cades. It is said there is a village Tharmara (a fort Thamara) one day journey from Mapsis on the road from Hebron to Ailam (Elat). Today there is a garrison (Roman fort) of soldiers there." (Eusebius of Caesarea, Onomasticon , 325 AD) 6. Tamar is was first identified as Ein Haseva by Aharioni: "The finds from the Roman and Iron Age fortresses at 'Ein Haseva support Aharoni's proposal to identify the site, which was a major fortress on the south-eastern frontier of the Judaean Kingdom, both with biblical Tamar (Ezek 47:19; 48:28) and with Tamara mentioned in the Roman and Byzantine sources cited. ... The strategic location of `Ein Haseva-Tamar is obvious, sitting as it does at the intersection of four major routes - one leading south to Elath, one traveling east to Edom, a third leading north to Jerusalem, and the fourth leading west through Macaleh `Agrabim to the central Negev area." (The Fortresses at Ein Haseva Rudolph Cohen, The Biblical Archaeologist, Vol. 57, No. 4, p 203-214, 1994) 7. Rudolph Cohen Has accepted Ein Haseva as Biblical Tamar: "In an article last year (BA 57:4119941), we outlined the Roman, Nabatean, and Iron Age remains at (and presented arguments for the identification of the site with the biblical Tamar and the Tamara mentioned in Roman and Byzantine sources. (Ein Haseva, Rudolph Cohen, The Biblical Archaeologist, Vol. 58, No. 4, p. 223-235, 1995 AD) 8. Another complication with the Madaba Map is the question if Thamara/Tamara is the same as the city of Tamar in Ezekiel 47:19. Again, it is a guess that is not certain. However the similarity in spelling on the Madaba map may retain the original Biblical city mentioned in Ezek 47. 9. Eusebius, Madaba Map: Tamara, Thamara: (For a fuller discussion of the Madaba map and Thamara see: Madaba Map) http://www.bible.ca/archeology/maps-bible-archeology-exodus-ancient-geograph ers-madaba-map-arabah-petra.jpg E. Mesad Tamar and Ein Tamar 1. Ein Tamar is a modern town in Israel located on the shores of the southern most western tip of the Dead Sea. 2. Mesad Tamar is Roman Fortress constructed around the time of the great Annex of 106 AD. It is located 11 km due west of Ein Tamar. The Roman references to Tamar are thought to likely be to Mesad Tamar, and not the city on the Madaba Map. F. Discussion: Ezekiel's Tamar as part of the southern border? "The south side toward the south shall extend from Tamar as far as the waters of Meribath-kadesh, to the brook of Egypt and to the Great Sea. This is the south side toward the south." Ezekiel 47:19; 48:28 1. Where is the city of Tamar, as mentioned by Ezekiel located? 2. First we can conclude that it is somewhere immediately south of the Dead sea. This makes possible the idea that the city of Thamara on the Madaba map is indeed the Tamar of Ezekiel. But there are some problems. First, nothing has been directly excavated identifying any city in the Arabah Valley with Tamar/Thamara etc. 3. We can rule out Mesad Tamar and Ein Tamar as being too late and "Tamar in the wilderness" as being too far north. 4. But we also need to keep in mind that Ezekiel describes borders and places that are quite unique in scripture. Ezekiel employs symbolic language and images throughout his book. This further complicates matters. 5. The excavations at Ein Haseva have not uncovered the name Tamara or Thamara or Tamar. It is clear that "(Stratum 6)" of Ein Haseva was one of the border fortresses built by Solomon. There are a series of occupation levels at Haseva right down to Roman times. It is also built on a major crossroads and springs. This means that there is a good chance that Ein Haseva is one of the cities on the Madaba Map. It is Thamara or perhaps Moe? No one knows for sure. 6. It is obvious that the Tamar of Ezekiel is a well known and prominent town, since it is mentioned in connection with the southern border of Israel. Conclusions: 1. There was in the 6th century BC, a town called Tamar which is only mentioned twice in scripture: Ezekiel 47:19; 48:28. 2. The name Tamar is used by the Romans in 100 AD for a fort they built 11km west of the Dead Sea. Modern Jews have built a new town called "Ein Tamar" on the southern tip of the Dead Sea. 3. The identification of Tamar with Ein Haseva is very uncertain. 4. We feel that Tamar of Ezekiel is located somewhere between (and perhaps including) Ein Haseva first occupied by Solomon and modern day "Ein Tamar". 5. We feel that Tamar is likely not at Ein Haseva, but further north, closer to the Dead Sea. 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But even this idea is very different than the far-eastern concept of reincarnation which to paraphrase, involves the same soul continuing to be reborn into this world until he gets it right enough to graduate to the next one. Rabbi Brody's statement seems to reflect the latter idea in the context of the article. I can't say that I've run across this idea in Jewish thought before. But then again, I am far from an expert on Jewish thought. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from "mhyde7 tds.net" : -------------- hey John, Judaism teaches quite a bit about the cycle of the soul or reincarnation. If your nterested do some searcing in the jewsh encyc. or maybe even weki, migh hve some info. It's been years since I read much along those lines. I ersonally find it quite intersting and maybe the only way to explain some things. Regardless if you lke the idea or not it makes more sense to me then Christian teaching. As best as I rerember messiah and elijah are thought to be the same peron/soul. Mat 16:13 Now when Jesus came into the parts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Who do men say that the Son of man is? Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:17 PM, wrote: Hey Hanoch, I just had a chance to read this. I agree with most of it but one thing in particular caught my eye. Reincarnations? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : -------------- It's SO easy for me to want to have the musical talents of guys like Tracy, John and Dave...but we all have something else that we're supposed to bring to the table, it seems.... Hanoch Your Individual Path by Rav Lazer Brody Each of us has his or her own individual personal path. Our path in life is as unique as our fingerprint, in accordance with our mission in life, former reincarnations, and our individual tikkun. Although there are general tasks that each person must do on this earth, each person has a unique and individual way of completing a given task. One cannot attain happiness or fulfillment in life without ascertaining his or her unique path. Without personal prayer, this is virtually impossible. Personal prayer can't be found in any book; not only does it change from person to person, it changes within a person himself from day to day and from hour to hour, according to a person's current circumstances and according to the stimuli that Hashem sends at that given moment. - The Garden of Yearning _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/c15b74b8/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Tue May 5 08:07:38 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 06:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Message-ID: <584465.66292.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Cornie, This is really neat!? I love Rabbi Lazer Brody so much!? Thanks for posting it. Margie --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Cornie Reimer wrote: From: Cornie Reimer Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 7:27 AM Hi all, isn't this neat? Cornie FeedBlitz wrote: ? ? Here are the latest updates for correim at gninc.ca "Lazer Beams" - 1 new article Moshiach is a Breslever More Recent Articles Search Lazer Beams Moshiach is a Breslever Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is Breslever shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking to Hashem is neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor Sephardish, nor Litvish; it's not Rav Kookish either. Talking to Hashem - especially out in the field - is right out of the Torah. Ask Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. 24:63). The entire Book of Psalms is none other than King David's diary of personal prayer. King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a Na-Nach (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big surprise when they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC Van that's distributing emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and Gaza borders... When Moshiach comes, people will be?sorry that they hadn't?learned?emuna or?how to talk to Hashem in personal prayer. They'll also be really sorry that they're out of shape from junk food and lack of exercise, because they won't be able to dance with Moshiach; wait and see how Moshiach dances in Hashem's honor - fire and fervor?is an understatement. ? Email to a friend ? Article Search ? Related ? ? 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"Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : -------------- Hey John, Sorry pal, I'm in Ohio for 4 days with Eddie Chumney & a Pastor from Pakistan(!) . Honestly, I had not even noticed that mention - you'll have to contact Rav Lazer, it's not a view that I personally know much (or care much) about. Take care bro, Hanoch On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:17 PM, wrote: Hey Hanoch, I just had a chance to read this. I agree with most of it but one thing in particular caught my eye. Reincarnations? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : -------------- It's SO easy for me to want to have the musical talents of guys like Tracy, John and Dave...but we all have something else that we're supposed to bring to the table, it seems.... Hanoch Your Individual Path by Rav Lazer Brody Each of us has his or her own individual personal path. Our path in life is as unique as our fingerprint, in accordance with our mission in life, former reincarnations, and our individual tikkun. Although there are general tasks that each person must do on this earth, each person has a unique and individual way of completing a given task. One cannot attain happiness or fulfillment in life without ascertaining his or her unique path. Without personal prayer, this is virtually impossible. Personal prayer can't be found in any book; not only does it change from person to person, it changes within a person himself from day to day and from hour to hour, according to a person's current circumstances and according to the stimuli that Hashem sends at that given moment. - The Garden of Yearning _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/399a01e4/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Tue May 5 08:17:17 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 08:17:17 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever In-Reply-To: References: <4A0030A9.5020404@gninc.ca> Message-ID: <4A003C5D.6070507@gninc.ca> Hi Patricia I was sending this out with a deep desire that my heart could be soaring above to heights, that some times seem so unobtainable. and just before a time of devotion and cry to Hashem to take me through the day, quickly checking my e-mails, I came upon this article by Lazer Brody, it so touched me i just wanted to share that with others. Just a little later i was prompted to check my e-mails again, and yours was the only one that came in so soon as a response. My heart just skipped for joy to see such a quick response with such warmth. Isn't this a small world? Hashem has such a sense of humor to try to ignite my old bones to start dancing for joy, in spite of any trials that may want to hinder it! Cornie Patricia Robbins wrote: > Love it, Cornie! Thank you!!! > > > *From:* Cornie Reimer > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:27 AM > *To:* Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever > > Hi all, isn't this neat? > > Cornie > > > > FeedBlitz wrote: >> >> Your email updates, powered by FeedBlitz >> >> >> Here are the latest updates for *correim at gninc.ca* >> >> >> *"Lazer Beams "* - 1 >> new article >> >> 1. Moshiach is a Breslever <#40199_0> >> 2. More Recent Articles <#40199_recap> >> 3. Search Lazer Beams >> >> >> *Moshiach is a Breslever >> * >> >> Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is Breslever >> shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking to Hashem is >> neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor Sephardish, nor Litvish; it's >> not Rav Kookish either. Talking to Hashem - especially out in the >> field - is right out of the Torah. Ask Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. 24:63). >> The entire Book of Psalms is none other than King David's diary of >> personal prayer. >> >> King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a Na-Nach >> (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big surprise when >> they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC Van that's >> distributing emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and Gaza borders... >> >> When Moshiach comes, people will be sorry that they >> hadn't learned emuna or how to talk to Hashem in personal prayer. >> They'll also be really sorry that they're out of shape from junk food >> and lack of exercise, because they won't be able to dance with >> Moshiach; wait and see how Moshiach dances in Hashem's honor - fire >> and fervor is an understatement. >> >> Na_nachs_dancing >> >> >> >> ? Email to a friend >> >> ? Article Search >> >> ? Related >> >> ? [Listen to this article] >> >> ? >> >> [Rate 'Moshiach is a Breslever'] >> >> >> More Recent Articles >> >> * Swine Flu mentioned in the Gemara >> >> >> * Your Individual Path >> >> >> * Setbacks >> >> >> * Our Way >> >> >> * Why all the hard times? >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> /_Click here to safely unsubscribe now_ >> >> from "Lazer Beams" or _change your subscription_ >> or _subscribe_ >> [This update is powered >> by FeedBlitz, www.feedblitz.com] / >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Unsubscribe from all current and future newsletters >> >> powered by FeedBlitz >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Your requested content delivery powered by FeedBlitz >> , LLC, 9 Thoreau Way, Sudbury, MA 01776, >> USA. +1.978.776.9498 >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/a2607d02/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Tue May 5 08:39:09 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:39:09 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever In-Reply-To: <4A003C5D.6070507@gninc.ca> References: <4A0030A9.5020404@gninc.ca> <4A003C5D.6070507@gninc.ca> Message-ID: Cornie, I don't think you have any idea how much your sweet spirit boosts everyone with whom you come in contact. You are very much appreciated, Dear Brother. Not only did I love what you sent, but just seeing your name on the message is always uplifting. Am praying that our loving Father bless you this day with GLADNESS OF HEART! - And I'm asking Him for some for me too!!! Shalom Shalom, Pat From: Cornie Reimer Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:17 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Hi Patricia I was sending this out with a deep desire that my heart could be soaring above to heights, that some times seem so unobtainable. and just before a time of devotion and cry to Hashem to take me through the day, quickly checking my e-mails, I came upon this article by Lazer Brody, it so touched me i just wanted to share that with others. Just a little later i was prompted to check my e-mails again, and yours was the only one that came in so soon as a response. My heart just skipped for joy to see such a quick response with such warmth. Isn't this a small world? Hashem has such a sense of humor to try to ignite my old bones to start dancing for joy, in spite of any trials that may want to hinder it! Cornie Patricia Robbins wrote: Love it, Cornie! Thank you!!! From: Cornie Reimer Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:27 AM To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Hi all, isn't this neat? Cornie FeedBlitz wrote: Here are the latest updates for correim at gninc.ca "Lazer Beams" - 1 new article 1.. Moshiach is a Breslever 2.. More Recent Articles 3.. Search Lazer Beams Moshiach is a Breslever Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is Breslever shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking to Hashem is neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor Sephardish, nor Litvish; it's not Rav Kookish either. Talking to Hashem - especially out in the field - is right out of the Torah. Ask Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. 24:63). The entire Book of Psalms is none other than King David's diary of personal prayer. King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a Na-Nach (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big surprise when they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC Van that's distributing emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and Gaza borders... When Moshiach comes, people will be sorry that they hadn't learned emuna or how to talk to Hashem in personal prayer. They'll also be really sorry that they're out of shape from junk food and lack of exercise, because they won't be able to dance with Moshiach; wait and see how Moshiach dances in Hashem's honor - fire and fervor is an understatement. ? Email to a friend ? Article Search ? Related ? ? More Recent Articles a.. Swine Flu mentioned in the Gemara b.. Your Individual Path c.. Setbacks d.. Our Way e.. 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But Charlotte S.Carolina is likely the first time in my life that I danced, and that in public, at the age of around 60, and that was the first time in my life i witnessed a Jewish dance. ( you have to realize in my upbringing dancing was a sin) Of course it was a Messianic thing, with Rick Joyner of Morning Star Ministries. That also was the first time I personally witnessed a Jewish speaker. Something really started to speak to my heart at that Conference, that it seemed like my other partners, fellow Mennonite travelers just did not get, I don't know why! I guess I am a bit of a freak aye?? And that was close to 15 years ago. Cornie Margie Creech wrote: > Cornie, > This is really neat! I love Rabbi Lazer Brody so much! Thanks for > posting it. > Margie > > --- On *Tue, 5/5/09, Cornie Reimer //* wrote: > > From: Cornie Reimer > Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever > To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 7:27 AM > > Hi all, isn't this neat? > > Cornie > > > > FeedBlitz wrote: >> >> Your email updates, powered by FeedBlitz >> >> Here are the latest updates for *correim at gninc.ca >> * >> >> >> *"Lazer Beams "* >> - 1 new article >> >> 1. Moshiach is a Breslever >> >> 2. More Recent Articles >> >> 3. Search Lazer Beams >> >> >> *Moshiach is a Breslever >> * >> >> Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is Breslever >> shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking to Hashem >> is neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor Sephardish, nor >> Litvish; it's not Rav Kookish either. Talking to Hashem - >> especially out in the field - is right out of the Torah. Ask >> Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. 24:63). The entire Book of Psalms is none >> other than King David's diary of personal prayer. >> King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a >> Na-Nach (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big >> surprise when they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC Van >> that's distributing emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and Gaza >> borders... >> When Moshiach comes, people will be sorry that they >> hadn't learned emuna or how to talk to Hashem in personal prayer. >> They'll also be really sorry that they're out of shape from junk >> food and lack of exercise, because they won't be able to dance >> with Moshiach; wait and see how Moshiach dances in Hashem's honor >> - fire and fervor is an understatement. >> Na_nachs_dancing >> >> >> >> ? Email to a friend >> >> ? Article Search >> >> ? Related >> >> ? [Listen to this article] >> >> ? >> [Rate 'Moshiach is a Breslever'] >> >> >> More Recent Articles >> >> * Swine Flu mentioned in the Gemara >> >> * Your Individual Path >> >> * Setbacks >> >> * Our Way >> >> * Why all the hard times? >> >> >> >> / Click here to safely unsubscribe now >> >> from "Lazer Beams" or change your subscription >> or >> subscribe [This >> update is powered by FeedBlitz, www.feedblitz.com] >> / >> Unsubscribe from all current and future newsletters >> >> powered by FeedBlitz >> Your requested content delivery powered by FeedBlitz >> , LLC, 9 Thoreau Way, Sudbury, MA >> 01776, USA. +1.978.776.9498 >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/828f51ef/attachment.html From youngbarzel at aol.com Tue May 5 08:54:46 2009 From: youngbarzel at aol.com (youngbarzel at aol.com) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 09:54:46 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Our individual path In-Reply-To: <050520091315.29770.4A003BE000093D5B0000744A22230647029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <855590370905030424j56116e48wd670ab983f6d0c4f@mail.gmail.com><050520090217.29714.49FFA1CB000C32150000741222230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net><855590370905041953n248f67a6x757caeeedc58819f@mail.gmail.com> <050520091315.29770.4A003BE000093D5B0000744A22230647029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <8CB9BA02F4F6761-38C-983@webmail-dx07.sysops.aol.com> LOL, yeah bro, it sure seems like I am....and if I told you the possibilities I've got in the pipeline, your hair word perm! I told my new friend from Pakistan though, do NOT expect me to visit him at his?home anytime soon.... :-) Interestingly, his passport (Pakistani, of course) is stamped - valid for any country in the world, but Israel. But he's started 106 Churches in Pakistan, and now has fully embraced what they're referring to as two house theology...Judah & Ephraim.... He also told me that the Biblical translation of my name ("Enoch" in the Kings James translation), Hanoch, in his language, Urdu is:? Hanoosh, which is pretty darn close.? How many more times in a ten day period of time can someone be freaked out?? Talk soon man...hey the contract is signed, the apartment in Modi'in is mine (renting, of course).?? I still think it's WAY COOL to live in the birthplace of the Maccabees... Oh, and I just found out that shipping my possessions (the grils' as well) will cost approximately $7,000.? I never thought of the downside of building up an amazing resource library.? Sighhhhh Later bro, ??????????? Hanoch -----Original Message----- From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Tue, 5 May 2009 9:15 am Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Our individual path Okay no problem.? Just wanted to see if you had some insight into this, I can't say I've ever heard that subject discussed in that context in Jewish teaching before. ? Pakistan?? Man, you do get around don'tcha? ? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted ? -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : -------------- Hey John, ??? Sorry pal, I'm in Ohio for 4 days with Eddie Chumney & a Pastor from Pakistan(!) .? Honestly, I had not even noticed that mention - you'll have to contact Rav Lazer, it's not a view that I personally know much (or care much) about. ??? Take care bro, ??????????? Hanoch On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:17 PM, wrote: Hey Hanoch, ? I just had a chance to read this.? I agree with most of it but one thing in particular caught my eye.? ? Reincarnations? ? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted ? -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : -------------- It's SO easy for me to want to have the musical talents of guys like Tracy, John and Dave...but we all have something else that we're supposed to bring to the table, it seems.... ???????????????????????????? Hanoch Your Individual Path? by Rav Lazer Brody Each of us has his or her own individual personal path. Our path in life is as unique as our fingerprint, in accordance with our mission in life, former reincarnations, and our individual tikkun. Although there are general tasks that each person must do on this earth, each person has a unique and individual way of completing a given task. One cannot attain happiness or fulfillment in life without ascertaining his or her unique path. Without personal prayer, this is virtually impossible. Personal prayer can't be found in any book; not only does it change from person to person, it changes within a person himself from day to day and from hour to hour, according to a person's current circumstances and according to the stimuli that Hashem sends at that given moment. - The Garden of Yearning _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/10c0d397/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Tue May 5 09:02:15 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 14:02:15 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Our individual path In-Reply-To: <8CB9BA02F4F6761-38C-983@webmail-dx07.sysops.aol.com> References: <855590370905030424j56116e48wd670ab983f6d0c4f@mail.gmail.com><050520090217.29714.49FFA1CB000C32150000741222230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net><855590370905041953n248f67a6x757caeeedc58819f@mail.gmail.com><050520091315.29770.4A003BE000093D5B0000744A22230647029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> <8CB9BA02F4F6761-38C-983@webmail-dx07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <050520091402.28115.4A0046E70001D49A00006DD322230650029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Most excellent man! I know you're chomping at the bit. Yeah, Pakistan is not on my short list of places to go either. We'll have to talk when ya get back, I could use a perm, ;-{)}. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from youngbarzel at aol.com: -------------- LOL, yeah bro, it sure seems like I am....and if I told you the possibilities I've got in the pipeline, your hair word perm! I told my new friend from Pakistan though, do NOT expect me to visit him at his home anytime soon.... :-) Interestingly, his passport (Pakistani, of course) is stamped - valid for any country in the world, but Israel. But he's started 106 Churches in Pakistan, and now has fully embraced what they're referring to as two house theology...Judah & Ephraim.... He also told me that the Biblical translation of my name ("Enoch" in the Kings James translation), Hanoch, in his language, Urdu is: Hanoosh, which is pretty darn close. How many more times in a ten day period of time can someone be freaked out?? Talk soon man...hey the contract is signed, the apartment in Modi'in is mine (renting, of course). I still think it's WAY COOL to live in the birthplace of the Maccabees... Oh, and I just found out that shipping my possessions (the grils' as well) will cost approximately $7,000. I never thought of the downside of building up an amazing resource library. Sighhhhh Later bro, Hanoch -----Original Message----- From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Tue, 5 May 2009 9:15 am Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Our individual path Okay no problem. Just wanted to see if you had some insight into this, I can't say I've ever heard that subject discussed in that context in Jewish teaching before. Pakistan? Man, you do get around don'tcha? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : -------------- Hey John, Sorry pal, I'm in Ohio for 4 days with Eddie Chumney & a Pastor from Pakistan(!) . Honestly, I had not even noticed that mention - you'll have to contact Rav Lazer, it's not a view that I personally know much (or care much) about. Take care bro, Hanoch On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:17 PM, wrote: Hey Hanoch, I just had a chance to read this. I agree with most of it but one thing in particular caught my eye. Reincarnations? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : -------------- It's SO easy for me to want to have the musical talents of guys like Tracy, John and Dave...but we all have something else that we're supposed to bring to the table, it seems.... Hanoch Your Individual Path by Rav Lazer Brody Each of us has his or her own individual personal path. Our path in life is as unique as our fingerprint, in accordance with our mission in life, former reincarnations, and our individual tikkun. Although there are general tasks that each person must do on this earth, each person has a unique and individual way of completing a given task. One cannot attain happiness or fulfillment in life without ascertaining his or her unique path. Without personal prayer, this is virtually impossible. Personal prayer can't be found in any book; not only does it change from person to person, it changes within a person himself from day to day and from hour to hour, according to a person's current circumstances and according to the stimuli that Hashem sends at that given moment. - The Garden of Yearning _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/41ea8291/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Tue May 5 09:26:57 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever In-Reply-To: <4A004528.5030308@gninc.ca> Message-ID: <393644.62660.qm@web58506.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I'm a fellow freak Cornie and that same "something" started speaking to my heart too.? I was raised Baptist and it never seemed natural not to dance when everything in me wanted to dance.? Sometimes I'll go out in the field with my Ipod?loaded with Jewish music and before I know it I'm kicking up my heels.? Just me and HaShem!? ? --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Cornie Reimer wrote: From: Cornie Reimer Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:54 AM Hi Margie and all You may find it interesting, many of you just came back from a beautiful experience of a conference in S. Carolina. I would have loved to have been there. But Charlotte S.Carolina is likely the first time in my life that I danced, and that in public, at the age of around 60, and that was the first time in my life i witnessed a Jewish dance. ( you have to realize in my upbringing dancing was a sin) Of course it was a Messianic thing, with Rick Joyner of Morning Star Ministries. That also was the first time I personally witnessed a Jewish speaker. Something really started to speak to my heart at that Conference, that it seemed like my other partners, fellow Mennonite travelers just did not get, I don't know why! I guess I am a bit of a freak aye?? And that was close to 15 years ago. Cornie Margie Creech wrote: Cornie, This is really neat!? I love Rabbi Lazer Brody so much!? Thanks for posting it. Margie --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Cornie Reimer wrote: From: Cornie Reimer Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 7:27 AM Hi all, isn't this neat? Cornie FeedBlitz wrote: ? ? Here are the latest updates for correim at gninc.ca "Lazer Beams" - 1 new article Moshiach is a Breslever More Recent Articles Search Lazer Beams Moshiach is a Breslever Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is Breslever shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking to Hashem is neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor Sephardish, nor Litvish; it's not Rav Kookish either. Talking to Hashem - especially out in the field - is right out of the Torah. Ask Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. 24:63). The entire Book of Psalms is none other than King David's diary of personal prayer. King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a Na-Nach (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big surprise when they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC Van that's distributing emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and Gaza borders... When Moshiach comes, people will be?sorry that they hadn't?learned?emuna or?how to talk to Hashem in personal prayer. They'll also be really sorry that they're out of shape from junk food and lack of exercise, because they won't be able to dance with Moshiach; wait and see how Moshiach dances in Hashem's honor - fire and fervor?is an understatement. ? Email to a friend ? Article Search ? Related ? ? More Recent Articles Swine Flu mentioned in the Gemara Your Individual Path Setbacks Our Way Why all the hard times? Click here to safely unsubscribe now from "Lazer Beams" or change your subscription or subscribe ? Unsubscribe from all current and future newsletters powered by FeedBlitz Your requested content delivery powered by FeedBlitz, LLC, 9 Thoreau Way, Sudbury, MA 01776, USA. +1.978.776.9498 ? _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/a5e834a6/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Tue May 5 10:33:28 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 10:33:28 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever In-Reply-To: <393644.62660.qm@web58506.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <393644.62660.qm@web58506.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A005C48.6020301@gninc.ca> Sounds great Margie I still need a lot of cords of bondage to break, but it's coming. I recently ordered a book from Azrama titled "Wings pf the Sun" by Rabbi Greenbaum on health, as Rabbi Nachman was teaching it already, simcha (Joy) is the best medicine, it's a little hard for an old dog to learn new tricks though. Cornie Margie Creech wrote: > I'm a fellow freak Cornie and that same "something" started speaking > to my heart too. I was raised Baptist and it never seemed natural not > to dance when everything in me wanted to dance. Sometimes I'll go out > in the field with my Ipod loaded with Jewish music and before I know > it I'm kicking up my heels. Just me and HaShem! > > --- On *Tue, 5/5/09, Cornie Reimer //* wrote: > > From: Cornie Reimer > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 8:54 AM > > Hi Margie and all > You may find it interesting, many of you just came back from a > beautiful experience of a conference in S. Carolina. I would have > loved to have been there. But Charlotte S.Carolina is likely the > first time in my life that I danced, and that in public, at the > age of around 60, and that was the first time in my life i > witnessed a Jewish dance. ( you have to realize in my upbringing > dancing was a sin) Of course it was a Messianic thing, with Rick > Joyner of Morning Star Ministries. That also was the first time I > personally witnessed a Jewish speaker. Something really started to > speak to my heart at that Conference, that it seemed like my other > partners, fellow Mennonite travelers just did not get, I don't > know why! I guess I am a bit of a freak aye?? And that was close > to 15 years ago. > > Cornie > > > Margie Creech wrote: >> Cornie, >> This is really neat! I love Rabbi Lazer Brody so much! Thanks >> for posting it. >> Margie >> >> --- On *Tue, 5/5/09, Cornie Reimer / >> /* wrote: >> >> From: Cornie Reimer >> Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever >> To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 7:27 AM >> >> Hi all, isn't this neat? >> >> Cornie >> >> >> >> FeedBlitz wrote: >>> >>> Your email updates, powered by FeedBlitz >>> >>> >>> Here are the latest updates for *correim at gninc.ca >>> * >>> >>> >>> *"Lazer Beams >>> "* - 1 new >>> article >>> >>> 1. Moshiach is a Breslever >>> >>> 2. More Recent Articles >>> >>> 3. Search Lazer Beams >>> >>> >>> >>> *Moshiach is a Breslever >>> * >>> >>> Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is >>> Breslever shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. >>> Talking to Hashem is neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor >>> Sephardish, nor Litvish; it's not Rav Kookish either. >>> Talking to Hashem - especially out in the field - is right >>> out of the Torah. Ask Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. 24:63). The >>> entire Book of Psalms is none other than King David's diary >>> of personal prayer. >>> King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a >>> Na-Nach (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a >>> big surprise when they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a >>> GMC Van that's distributing emuna books and CDs on the >>> Lebanese and Gaza borders... >>> When Moshiach comes, people will be sorry that they >>> hadn't learned emuna or how to talk to Hashem in personal >>> prayer. They'll also be really sorry that they're out of >>> shape from junk food and lack of exercise, because they >>> won't be able to dance with Moshiach; wait and see how >>> Moshiach dances in Hashem's honor - fire and fervor is an >>> understatement. >>> Na_nachs_dancing >>> >>> >>> >>> ? Email to a friend >>> >>> ? Article Search >>> >>> ? Related >>> >>> ? 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I am cautious for that reason. See my article on Death, Afterlife and the Future on the Web (http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/jdtabor/future.html). It covers the entire Hellenistic period as well, but one can see clearly that "dualism" comes into various forms of Jewish thought around the time the Hellenists come into the country. I realize this is heresy for some to say this, but I am giving my honest opinion. What impresses me about the Torah, as I said to the UI group when I talked about Genesis 1, is the striking absence of interest in or speculation upon "what lies above or below..." No other "religion" of the time escaped the general emphasis on the other world, death, afterlife, and thus a de-emphasis on the materials world. My talk on this I think is up on the Web at ROF. Best, James On May 5, 2009, at 9:06 AM, carlson_john at bellsouth.net wrote: > Hey Marvin, > > Well, I know that Jewish doctrine (for lack of a better word) > includes some concepts regarding a finite number of Jewish souls and > resurrection. My studies have led me to believe that this is a more > Kabbalistic or mystical idea as opposed to mainstream. But even > this idea is very different than the far-eastern concept of > reincarnation which to paraphrase, involves the same soul continuing > to be reborn into this world until he gets it right enough to > graduate to the next one. > > Rabbi Brody's statement seems to reflect the latter idea in the > context of the article. I can't say that I've run across this idea > in Jewish thought before. But then again, I am far from an expert > on Jewish thought. > > -- > Eliron/John. > > "Be excellent to each other!" > Bill and Ted > > -------------- Original message from "mhyde7 tds.net" > : -------------- > > hey John, > > Judaism teaches quite a bit about the cycle of the soul or > reincarnation. If your nterested do some searcing in the jewsh > encyc. or maybe even weki, migh hve some info. It's been years since > I read much along those lines. I ersonally find it quite intersting > and maybe the only way to explain some things. Regardless if you > lke the idea or not it makes more sense to me then Christian > teaching. As best as I rerember messiah and elijah are thought > to be the same peron/soul. > Mat 16:13 > > Now when Jesus came into the parts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked > his disciples, saying, Who do men say that the Son of man is? > Mat 16:14 > > And they said, Some say John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, > Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. > > > > > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:17 PM, wrote: > Hey Hanoch, > > I just had a chance to read this. I agree with most of it but one > thing in particular caught my eye. > > Reincarnations? > > -- > Eliron/John. > > "Be excellent to each other!" > Bill and Ted > > -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young >: -------------- > > It's SO easy for me to want to have the musical talents of guys like > Tracy, John and Dave...but we all have something else that we're > supposed to bring to the table, it seems.... > Hanoch > Your Individual Path by Rav Lazer Brody > Each of us has his or her own individual personal path. Our path in > life is as unique as our fingerprint, in accordance with our mission > in life, former reincarnations, and our individual tikkun. Although > there are general tasks that each person must do on this earth, each > person has a unique and individual way of completing a given task. > One cannot attain happiness or fulfillment in life without > ascertaining his or her unique path. Without personal prayer, this > is virtually impossible. Personal prayer can't be found in any book; > not only does it change from person to person, it changes within a > person himself from day to day and from hour to hour, according to a > person's current circumstances and according to the stimuli that > Hashem sends at that given moment. - The Garden of Yearning > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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( you have to realize in my upbringing dancing was a > sin) Of course it was a Messianic thing, with Rick Joyner of Morning > Star Ministries. That also was the first time I personally witnessed > a Jewish speaker. Something really started to speak to my heart at > that Conference, that it seemed like my other partners, fellow > Mennonite travelers just did not get, I don't know why! I guess I am > a bit of a freak aye?? And that was close to 15 years ago. > > Cornie > > > Margie Creech wrote: >> >> Cornie, >> This is really neat! I love Rabbi Lazer Brody so much! Thanks for >> posting it. >> Margie >> >> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Cornie Reimer wrote: >> From: Cornie Reimer >> Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever >> To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 7:27 AM >> >> Hi all, isn't this neat? >> >> Cornie >> >> >> >> FeedBlitz wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Here are the latest updates for correim at gninc.ca >>> "Lazer Beams" - 1 new article >>> >>> Moshiach is a Breslever >>> More Recent Articles >>> Search Lazer Beams >>> Moshiach is a Breslever >>> >>> Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is Breslever >>> shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking to Hashem is >>> neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor Sephardish, nor Litvish; >>> it's not Rav Kookish either. Talking to Hashem - especially out in >>> the field - is right out of the Torah. Ask Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. >>> 24:63). The entire Book of Psalms is none other than King David's >>> diary of personal prayer. >>> King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a Na-Nach >>> (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big surprise >>> when they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC Van that's >>> distributing emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and Gaza borders... >>> When Moshiach comes, people will be sorry that they hadn't learned >>> emuna or how to talk to Hashem in personal prayer. They'll also be >>> really sorry that they're out of shape from junk food and lack of >>> exercise, because they won't be able to dance with Moshiach; wait >>> and see how Moshiach dances in Hashem's honor - fire and fervor is >>> an understatement. >>> >>> >>> ? Email to a friend ? Article Search ? Related ? ? >>> >>> >>> More Recent Articles >>> >>> Swine Flu mentioned in the Gemara >>> Your Individual Path >>> Setbacks >>> Our Way >>> Why all the hard times? >>> >>> Click here to safely unsubscribe now from "Lazer Beams" or change >>> your subscription or subscribe >>> Unsubscribe from all current and future newsletters powered by >>> FeedBlitz >>> Your requested content delivery powered by FeedBlitz, LLC, 9 >>> Thoreau Way, Sudbury, MA 01776, USA. +1.978.776.9498 >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Could you also inform me though, where that Theater like set up that I think it was the Evangelist Jim Baker, or anyway the one who had to sit in jail for quite a while because of some fraud, or even sexual abuse causing him to get incarcerated? Well, that Conference I attended was right in that little city built by this Evangelist, with a replica of a theater from the time of Jesus crucifiction, which was set up with 3 crosses on a hill. There also was an 8 story hotel on the premises, but that never got finished because of running out of funds if I have it right. It was kind of interesting as long as you don't know better. I thought maybe that place where that Conference was held was in South Carolina. Cornie James Tabor wrote: > Make that NORTH CAROLINA...although Morning Star was in SC, I think in > Columbia. Web would know. > > > James > > > On May 5, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Cornie Reimer wrote: > >> Hi Margie and all >> You may find it interesting, many of you just came back from a >> beautiful experience of a conference in S. Carolina. I would have >> loved to have been there. But Charlotte S.Carolina is likely the >> first time in my life that I danced, and that in public, at the age >> of around 60, and that was the first time in my life i witnessed a >> Jewish dance. ( you have to realize in my upbringing dancing was a >> sin) Of course it was a Messianic thing, with Rick Joyner of Morning >> Star Ministries. That also was the first time I personally witnessed >> a Jewish speaker. Something really started to speak to my heart at >> that Conference, that it seemed like my other partners, fellow >> Mennonite travelers just did not get, I don't know why! I guess I am >> a bit of a freak aye?? And that was close to 15 years ago. >> >> Cornie >> >> >> Margie Creech wrote: >>> Cornie, >>> This is really neat! I love Rabbi Lazer Brody so much! Thanks for >>> posting it. >>> Margie >>> >>> --- On *Tue, 5/5/09, Cornie Reimer //* wrote: >>> >>> From: Cornie Reimer >>> Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever >>> To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >>> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 7:27 AM >>> >>> Hi all, isn't this neat? >>> >>> Cornie >>> >>> >>> >>> FeedBlitz wrote: >>>> >>>> Your email updates, powered by FeedBlitz >>>> >>>> >>>> Here are the latest updates for *correim at gninc.ca >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> *"Lazer Beams >>>> "* - 1 new article >>>> >>>> 1. Moshiach is a Breslever >>>> >>>> 2. More Recent Articles >>>> >>>> 3. Search Lazer Beams >>>> >>>> >>>> *Moshiach is a Breslever >>>> * >>>> >>>> Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is >>>> Breslever shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking >>>> to Hashem is neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor >>>> Sephardish, nor Litvish; it's not Rav Kookish either. Talking >>>> to Hashem - especially out in the field - is right out of the >>>> Torah. Ask Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. 24:63). The entire Book of >>>> Psalms is none other than King David's diary of personal prayer. >>>> King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a >>>> Na-Nach (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big >>>> surprise when they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC >>>> Van that's distributing emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and >>>> Gaza borders... >>>> When Moshiach comes, people will be sorry that they >>>> hadn't learned emuna or how to talk to Hashem in personal >>>> prayer. They'll also be really sorry that they're out of shape >>>> from junk food and lack of exercise, because they won't be able >>>> to dance with Moshiach; wait and see how Moshiach dances in >>>> Hashem's honor - fire and fervor is an understatement. >>>> Na_nachs_dancing >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ? Email to a friend >>>> >>>> ? Article Search >>>> >>>> ? Related >>>> >>>> ? [Listen to this article] >>>> >>>> ? >>>> [Rate 'Moshiach is a Breslever'] >>>> >>>> >>>> More Recent Articles >>>> >>>> * Swine Flu mentioned in the Gemara >>>> >>>> * Your Individual Path >>>> >>>> * Setbacks >>>> >>>> * Our Way >>>> >>>> * Why all the hard times? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> / Click here to safely unsubscribe now >>>> >>>> from "Lazer Beams" or change your subscription >>>> or >>>> subscribe [This >>>> update is powered by FeedBlitz, www.feedblitz.com] >>>> / >>>> Unsubscribe from all current and future newsletters >>>> >>>> powered by FeedBlitz >>>> Your requested content delivery powered by FeedBlitz >>>> , LLC, 9 Thoreau Way, Sudbury, MA >>>> 01776, USA. +1.978.776.9498 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/10791ba1/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Tue May 5 14:47:59 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:47:59 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever In-Reply-To: <4A0091D6.5030307@gninc.ca> References: <584465.66292.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4A004528.5030308@gninc.ca> <4A0091D6.5030307@gninc.ca> Message-ID: <5157514B-59AD-41B5-BDE9-A972DF9D8175@earthlink.net> Well Charlotte is very close to the SC border, hence the confusion. But Charlotte you would remember, as it is the largest metro area in NC, and also between Atlanta and D.C. Jim Baker was just south, across the border into SC. On May 5, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Cornie Reimer wrote: > Thanks James > You are most likely right. And I am very forgetful. Could you also > inform me though, where that Theater like set up that I think it was > the Evangelist Jim Baker, or anyway the one who had to sit in jail > for quite a while because of some fraud, or even sexual abuse > causing him to get incarcerated? Well, that Conference I attended > was right in that little city built by this Evangelist, with a > replica of a theater from the time of Jesus crucifiction, which was > set up with 3 crosses on a hill. There also was an 8 story hotel on > the premises, but that never got finished because of running out of > funds if I have it right. It was kind of interesting as long as you > don't know better. I thought maybe that place where that Conference > was held was in South Carolina. > > Cornie > > > > James Tabor wrote: >> >> Make that NORTH CAROLINA...although Morning Star was in SC, I think >> in Columbia. Web would know. >> >> >> James >> >> >> On May 5, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Cornie Reimer wrote: >> >>> Hi Margie and all >>> You may find it interesting, many of you just came back from a >>> beautiful experience of a conference in S. Carolina. I would have >>> loved to have been there. But Charlotte S.Carolina is likely the >>> first time in my life that I danced, and that in public, at the >>> age of around 60, and that was the first time in my life i >>> witnessed a Jewish dance. ( you have to realize in my upbringing >>> dancing was a sin) Of course it was a Messianic thing, with Rick >>> Joyner of Morning Star Ministries. That also was the first time I >>> personally witnessed a Jewish speaker. Something really started to >>> speak to my heart at that Conference, that it seemed like my other >>> partners, fellow Mennonite travelers just did not get, I don't >>> know why! I guess I am a bit of a freak aye?? And that was close >>> to 15 years ago. >>> >>> Cornie >>> >>> >>> Margie Creech wrote: >>>> >>>> Cornie, >>>> This is really neat! I love Rabbi Lazer Brody so much! Thanks >>>> for posting it. >>>> Margie >>>> >>>> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Cornie Reimer wrote: >>>> From: Cornie Reimer >>>> Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever >>>> To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >>>> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 7:27 AM >>>> >>>> Hi all, isn't this neat? >>>> >>>> Cornie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> FeedBlitz wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here are the latest updates for correim at gninc.ca >>>>> "Lazer Beams" - 1 new article >>>>> >>>>> Moshiach is a Breslever >>>>> More Recent Articles >>>>> Search Lazer Beams >>>>> Moshiach is a Breslever >>>>> >>>>> Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is >>>>> Breslever shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking >>>>> to Hashem is neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor Sephardish, >>>>> nor Litvish; it's not Rav Kookish either. Talking to Hashem - >>>>> especially out in the field - is right out of the Torah. Ask >>>>> Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. 24:63). The entire Book of Psalms is none >>>>> other than King David's diary of personal prayer. >>>>> King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a Na- >>>>> Nach (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big >>>>> surprise when they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC Van >>>>> that's distributing emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and Gaza >>>>> borders... >>>>> When Moshiach comes, people will be sorry that they hadn't >>>>> learned emuna or how to talk to Hashem in personal prayer. >>>>> They'll also be really sorry that they're out of shape from junk >>>>> food and lack of exercise, because they won't be able to dance >>>>> with Moshiach; wait and see how Moshiach dances in Hashem's >>>>> honor - fire and fervor is an understatement. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ? Email to a friend ? Article Search ? Related ? ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> More Recent Articles >>>>> >>>>> Swine Flu mentioned in the Gemara >>>>> Your Individual Path >>>>> Setbacks >>>>> Our Way >>>>> Why all the hard times? >>>>> >>>>> Click here to safely unsubscribe now from "Lazer Beams" or >>>>> change your subscription or subscribe >>>>> Unsubscribe from all current and future newsletters powered by >>>>> FeedBlitz >>>>> Your requested content delivery powered by FeedBlitz, LLC, 9 >>>>> Thoreau Way, Sudbury, MA 01776, USA. +1.978.776.9498 >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That is all they need it for, and that is all I really care to do, isn't that special providence!!!!!!!!!! I had been laid off since the middle of Oct. /08. And that is not all, I got a special offer for Internet for a year, that saves me almost half of what that course will cost. And that got arranged about an hour ago. Blessings to you all, we may all go through tough times though, throughout the coming year, but with emuna in the hardest of trials, it will be rewarded by one who cares for us all. Cornie Patricia Robbins wrote: > Cornie, I don't think you have any idea how much your sweet spirit > boosts everyone with whom you come in contact. You are very much > appreciated, Dear Brother. Not only did I love what you sent, but > just seeing your name on the message is always uplifting. Am praying > that our loving Father bless you this day with GLADNESS OF HEART! - > And I'm asking Him for some for me too!!! > > Shalom Shalom, > > Pat > > *From:* Cornie Reimer > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:17 AM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever > > Hi Patricia > I was sending this out with a deep desire that my heart could be > soaring above to heights, that some times seem so unobtainable. and > just before a time of devotion and cry to Hashem to take me through > the day, quickly checking my e-mails, I came upon this article by > Lazer Brody, it so touched me i just wanted to share that with others. > > Just a little later i was prompted to check my e-mails again, and > yours was the only one that came in so soon as a response. My heart > just skipped for joy to see such a quick response with such warmth. > Isn't this a small world? Hashem has such a sense of humor to try to > ignite my old bones to start dancing for joy, in spite of any trials > that may want to hinder it! > > Cornie > > > > Patricia Robbins wrote: >> Love it, Cornie! Thank you!!! >> >> >> *From:* Cornie Reimer >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:27 AM >> *To:* Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >> *Subject:* [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever >> >> Hi all, isn't this neat? >> >> Cornie >> >> >> >> FeedBlitz wrote: >>> >>> Your email updates, powered by FeedBlitz >>> >>> >>> Here are the latest updates for *correim at gninc.ca* >>> >>> >>> *"Lazer Beams "* - 1 >>> new article >>> >>> 1. Moshiach is a Breslever <#40199_0> >>> 2. More Recent Articles <#40199_recap> >>> 3. Search Lazer Beams >>> >>> >>> *Moshiach is a Breslever >>> * >>> >>> Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is Breslever >>> shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking to Hashem is >>> neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor Sephardish, nor Litvish; >>> it's not Rav Kookish either. Talking to Hashem - especially out in >>> the field - is right out of the Torah. Ask Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. >>> 24:63). The entire Book of Psalms is none other than King David's >>> diary of personal prayer. >>> >>> King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a Na-Nach >>> (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big surprise >>> when they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC Van that's >>> distributing emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and Gaza borders... >>> >>> When Moshiach comes, people will be sorry that they >>> hadn't learned emuna or how to talk to Hashem in personal prayer. >>> They'll also be really sorry that they're out of shape from junk >>> food and lack of exercise, because they won't be able to dance with >>> Moshiach; wait and see how Moshiach dances in Hashem's honor - fire >>> and fervor is an understatement. >>> >>> Na_nachs_dancing >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ? Email to a friend >>> >>> ? Article Search >>> >>> ? Related >>> >>> ? 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/96563d92/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Tue May 5 18:05:19 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever In-Reply-To: <4A00C4C2.6080903@gninc.ca> References: <4A0030A9.5020404@gninc.ca> <4A003C5D.6070507@gninc.ca> <4A00C4C2.6080903@gninc.ca> Message-ID: Rejoicing over your good news, Cornie!!!! Thank you for letting us know. It's such an encouragement to be made aware that HaShem is answering prayer. BARUCH HASHEM!!!!! Pat From: Cornie Reimer Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:59 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Thank you Pat, your prayer has been answered already, Baruch Hashem, and while i was rejoicing with GLADNESS OF HEART anyway, I got a double blessing today. I don't know if you are acquainted with Shifra Hendries, Turning Walls into Doorways Membership Club. I decided yesterday, to sign up for that course, $80.00 per month. I had wondered if I could afford it, and of all things, guess what!!! Hashem is my provider, I got my old job back of all days today. That is, 4 hours a day. That is all they need it for, and that is all I really care to do, isn't that special providence!!!!!!!!!! I had been laid off since the middle of Oct. /08. And that is not all, I got a special offer for Internet for a year, that saves me almost half of what that course will cost. And that got arranged about an hour ago. Blessings to you all, we may all go through tough times though, throughout the coming year, but with emuna in the hardest of trials, it will be rewarded by one who cares for us all. Cornie Patricia Robbins wrote: Cornie, I don't think you have any idea how much your sweet spirit boosts everyone with whom you come in contact. You are very much appreciated, Dear Brother. Not only did I love what you sent, but just seeing your name on the message is always uplifting. Am praying that our loving Father bless you this day with GLADNESS OF HEART! - And I'm asking Him for some for me too!!! Shalom Shalom, Pat From: Cornie Reimer Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:17 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Hi Patricia I was sending this out with a deep desire that my heart could be soaring above to heights, that some times seem so unobtainable. and just before a time of devotion and cry to Hashem to take me through the day, quickly checking my e-mails, I came upon this article by Lazer Brody, it so touched me i just wanted to share that with others. Just a little later i was prompted to check my e-mails again, and yours was the only one that came in so soon as a response. My heart just skipped for joy to see such a quick response with such warmth. Isn't this a small world? Hashem has such a sense of humor to try to ignite my old bones to start dancing for joy, in spite of any trials that may want to hinder it! Cornie Patricia Robbins wrote: Love it, Cornie! Thank you!!! From: Cornie Reimer Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:27 AM To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Hi all, isn't this neat? Cornie FeedBlitz wrote: Here are the latest updates for correim at gninc.ca "Lazer Beams" - 1 new article 1.. Moshiach is a Breslever 2.. More Recent Articles 3.. Search Lazer Beams Moshiach is a Breslever Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is Breslever shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking to Hashem is neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor Sephardish, nor Litvish; it's not Rav Kookish either. Talking to Hashem - especially out in the field - is right out of the Torah. Ask Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. 24:63). The entire Book of Psalms is none other than King David's diary of personal prayer. King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a Na-Nach (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big surprise when they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC Van that's distributing emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and Gaza borders... When Moshiach comes, people will be sorry that they hadn't learned emuna or how to talk to Hashem in personal prayer. They'll also be really sorry that they're out of shape from junk food and lack of exercise, because they won't be able to dance with Moshiach; wait and see how Moshiach dances in Hashem's honor - fire and fervor is an understatement. ? Email to a friend ? Article Search ? Related ? ? More Recent Articles a.. Swine Flu mentioned in the Gemara b.. Your Individual Path c.. Setbacks d.. Our Way e.. 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Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Ron Heaton Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:14:02 To: Subject: [Dialogue] Hi John _______________________________________________ From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Tue May 5 18:29:52 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:29:52 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Hi John In-Reply-To: <937461.57498.qm@web43406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <937461.57498.qm@web43406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F9979F4-81BC-4496-A29E-C165BCFF3D97@earthlink.net> Hi Ron, warm welcome. I think you will find this quite a lively, friendly, crazy, and wonderful group! Do you also know the Synagogue without Walls? Best, James On May 5, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Ron Heaton wrote: > Yes, John I am just now joining. Look forward to learning a lot. > Ron Heaton > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/9d7ecb53/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Tue May 5 19:01:07 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <661182.29043.qm@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Cornie: ? Your news just made my day!. Baruch Hashem for His lovingkindness to you and to us all. May you be encouraged and strengthened by this new course you have enrolled in. It is providential that you have been brought to us. You are such a blessing! ? Shalom and kind regards, ? Helen --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Patricia Robbins wrote: From: Patricia Robbins Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 7:05 PM Rejoicing over your good news, Cornie!!!!? Thank you for letting us know.?? It's such an encouragement to?be made aware?that HaShem is answering prayer.? BARUCH HASHEM!!!!! ? Pat From: Cornie Reimer Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:59 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Thank you Pat, your prayer has been answered already, Baruch Hashem, and while i was rejoicing with GLADNESS OF HEART anyway, I got a double blessing today.? I don't know if you are acquainted with Shifra Hendries, Turning Walls into Doorways Membership Club. I decided yesterday, to sign up for that course, $80.00 per month. I had wondered if I could afford it, and of all things, guess what!!! Hashem is my provider, I got my old job back of all days today. That is, 4 hours a day. That is all they need it for, and that is all I really care to do, isn't that special providence!!!!!!!!!! I had been laid off since the middle of Oct. /08. And that is not all, I got a special offer for Internet for a year, that saves me almost half of what that course will cost. And that got arranged about an hour ago. Blessings to you all, we may all go through tough times though, throughout the coming year, but with emuna in the hardest of trials, it will be rewarded by one who cares for us all. Cornie Patricia Robbins wrote: Cornie, I don't think you have any idea how much your sweet spirit boosts everyone with whom you come in contact.? You are very much appreciated, Dear Brother.? Not only did I love what you sent, but just seeing your name on the message is always uplifting.? Am praying that our loving Father bless you this day?with GLADNESS OF HEART! - And I'm asking Him for some for me too!!! ? Shalom Shalom, ? Pat From: Cornie Reimer Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:17 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Hi Patricia I was sending this out with a deep desire that my heart could be soaring above to heights, that some times seem so unobtainable. and just before a time of devotion and? cry to Hashem to take me through the day, quickly checking my e-mails, I came upon this article by Lazer Brody, it so touched me i just wanted to share that with others. Just a little later i was prompted to check my e-mails again, and yours was the only one that came in so soon as a response. My? heart just skipped for joy to see such a quick response with such warmth. Isn't this a small world? Hashem has such a sense of humor to try to ignite my old bones to start dancing for joy, in spite of any trials that may want to hinder it! Cornie Patricia Robbins wrote: Love it, Cornie!? Thank you!!! ? From: Cornie Reimer Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:27 AM To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Hi all, isn't this neat? Cornie FeedBlitz wrote: Here are the latest updates for correim at gninc.ca "Lazer Beams" - 1 new article Moshiach is a Breslever More Recent Articles Search Lazer Beams Moshiach is a Breslever Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is Breslever shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking to Hashem is neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor Sephardish, nor Litvish; it's not Rav Kookish either. Talking to Hashem - especially out in the field - is right out of the Torah. Ask Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. 24:63). The entire Book of Psalms is none other than King David's diary of personal prayer. King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a Na-Nach (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big surprise when they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC Van that's distributing emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and Gaza borders... When Moshiach comes, people will be?sorry that they hadn't?learned?emuna or?how to talk to Hashem in personal prayer. They'll also be really sorry that they're out of shape from junk food and lack of exercise, because they won't be able to dance with Moshiach; wait and see how Moshiach dances in Hashem's honor - fire and fervor?is an understatement. ? Email to a friend ? Article Search ? Related ? ? More Recent Articles Swine Flu mentioned in the Gemara Your Individual Path Setbacks Our Way Why all the hard times? Click here to safely unsubscribe now from "Lazer Beams" or change your subscription or subscribe ? 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Very enlightening, I'm anticipating the extrapolation of these insights in your book on Paul. Thanks. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from James Tabor : -------------- Although I want to remain open and I realize "Kabbalistic" things are taken as next to "gospel" by many within Jewish traditions they are not universally accepted by all and the absence of these elements in the Torah and Prophets is rather striking I think. I am cautious for that reason. See my article on Death, Afterlife and the Future on the Web (http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/jdtabor/future.html). It covers the entire Hellenistic period as well, but one can see clearly that "dualism" comes into various forms of Jewish thought around the time the Hellenists come into the country. I realize this is heresy for some to say this, but I am giving my honest opinion. What impresses me about the Torah, as I said to the UI group when I talked about Genesis 1, is the striking absence of interest in or speculation upon "what lies above or below..." No other "religion" of the time escaped the general emphasis on the other world, death, afterlife, and thus a de-emphasis on the materials world. My talk on this I think is up on the Web at ROF. Best, James On May 5, 2009, at 9:06 AM, carlson_john at bellsouth.net wrote: Hey Marvin, Well, I know that Jewish doctrine (for lack of a better word) includes some concepts regarding a finite number of Jewish souls and resurrection. My studies have led me to believe that this is a more Kabbalistic or mystical idea as opposed to mainstream. But even this idea is very different than the far-eastern concept of reincarnation which to paraphrase, involves the same soul continuing to be reborn into this world until he gets it right enough to graduate to the next one. Rabbi Brody's statement seems to reflect the latter idea in the context of the article. I can't say that I've run across this idea in Jewish thought before. But then again, I am far from an expert on Jewish thought. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from "mhyde7 tds.net" : -------------- hey John, Judaism teaches quite a bit about the cycle of the soul or reincarnation. If your nterested do some searcing in the jewsh encyc. or maybe even weki, migh hve some info. It's been years since I read much along those lines. I ersonally find it quite intersting and maybe the only way to explain some things. Regardless if you lke the idea or not it makes more sense to me then Christian teaching. As best as I rerember messiah and elijah are thought to be the same peron/soul. Mat 16:13 Now when Jesus came into the parts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Who do men say that the Son of man is? Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:17 PM, wrote: Hey Hanoch, I just had a chance to read this. I agree with most of it but one thing in particular caught my eye. Reincarnations? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : -------------- It's SO easy for me to want to have the musical talents of guys like Tracy, John and Dave...but we all have something else that we're supposed to bring to the table, it seems.... Hanoch Your Individual Path by Rav Lazer Brody Each of us has his or her own individual personal path. Our path in life is as unique as our fingerprint, in accordance with our mission in life, former reincarnations, and our individual tikkun. Although there are general tasks that each person must do on this earth, each person has a unique and individual way of completing a given task. One cannot attain happiness or fulfillment in life without ascertaining his or her unique path. Without personal prayer, this is virtually impossible. Personal prayer can't be found in any book; not only does it change from person to person, it changes within a person himself from day to day and from hour to hour, according to a person's current circumstances and according to the stimuli that Hashem sends at that given moment. - The Garden of Yearning _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Check your local listings or the > Internet. Sorry for the short notice but I just got this today. My > understanding is that President Obama will be watching it with a group > of staff. It was filmed with great risk to the participants as you > will see if you do have time to watch it. > > Feel free to circulate... > > James Tabor > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/492ced9d/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron Heaton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/7a0a6300/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00077.txt Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/7a0a6300/attachment.txt From ronheaton55 at yahoo.com Tue May 5 20:37:05 2009 From: ronheaton55 at yahoo.com (Ron Heaton) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] thank you Brother James Message-ID: <666938.97232.qm@web43404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi James, Yes I joined the Synagogue without walls and thank you for recommending it to me. As I have mentioned to you in the past I was at a crossroad. I chose Yahweh and whatever He wants me to do I will do and my lovely wife of 33 years is at my side. He has something in store for us and if it means selling all we have and doing His will we are prepared to do it. James I thank you for the time you have taken to write me and well just telling it like it is. I just got through writing Brother Ross telling him a little about myself. I pray for wisdom more than anything else in life. I truly want to further my education and at 55 it may seem crazy but I know Yahweh wants and is going to use me. It is time to sound the alarm about the truth not just four wall programs that tickle the ears. I don't want to splatter on the outside walls when I meet my creator. Me and my wife are now in a covenant relationship with Yahweh. Again James thank you. You, Ross and Jim Myers are the only ones that have guided me ( with the exception of Yahweh He is the one that got me on the track to research) and have accepted me for who I am. Shalom Ron & Terri Heaton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/ef6db858/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Tue May 5 20:43:10 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 01:43:10 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] thank you Brother James In-Reply-To: <666938.97232.qm@web43404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <050620090143.1389.4A00EB2D000712BF0000056D22230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Hey Ron, You and I seem to have much in common! -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Ron Heaton : -------------- Hi James, Yes I joined the Synagogue without walls and thank you for recommending it to me. As I have mentioned to you in the past I was at a crossroad. I chose Yahweh and whatever He wants me to do I will do and my lovely wife of 33 years is at my side. He has something in store for us and if it means selling all we have and doing His will we are prepared to do it. James I thank you for the time you have taken to write me and well just telling it like it is. I just got through writing Brother Ross telling him a little about myself. I pray for wisdom more than anything else in life. I truly want to further my education and at 55 it may seem crazy but I know Yahweh wants and is going to use me. It is time to sound the alarm about the truth not just four wall programs that tickle the ears. I don't want to splatter on the outside walls when I meet my creator. Me and my wife are now in a covenant relationship with Yahweh. Again James thank you. You, Ross and Jim Myers are the only ones that have guided me ( with the exception of Yahweh He is the one that got me on the track to research) and have accepted me for who I am. Shalom Ron & Terri Heaton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/d7efc400/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue May 5 21:02:43 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:02:43 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] thank you Brother James In-Reply-To: <050620090143.1389.4A00EB2D000712BF0000056D22230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <666938.97232.qm@web43404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <050620090143.1389.4A00EB2D000712BF0000056D22230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <777F09457ADE4C5EAE4EB2C764BCE6B5@bettylaptop> Yes, and me too! My husband and I changed our entire lives at 50 and that was a number of years ago.so I very much identify with where the two of you are. Praise be to HaShem who draws us into covenant relationship with Him! It is interesting how a number of us are connected with the same people. We met Jim Myers years ago, and now I can't remember the connection, maybe from my brother James. I have known Ross for almost 20 years.amazing really. Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:43 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] thank you Brother James Hey Ron, You and I seem to have much in common! -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Ron Heaton : -------------- Hi James, Yes I joined the Synagogue without walls and thank you for recommending it to me. As I have mentioned to you in the past I was at a crossroad. I chose Yahweh and whatever He wants me to do I will do and my lovely wife of 33 years is at my side. He has something in store for us and if it means selling all we have and doing His will we are prepared to do it. James I thank you for the time you have taken to write me and well just telling it like it is. I just got through writing Brother Ross telling him a little about myself. I pray for wisdom more than anything else in life. I truly want to further my education and at 55 it may seem crazy but I know Yahweh wants and is going to use me. It is time to sound the alarm about the truth not just four wall programs that tickle the ears. I don't want to splatter on the outside walls when I meet my creator. Me and my wife are now in a covenant relationship with Yahweh. Again James thank you. You, Ross and Jim Myers are the only ones that have guided me ( with the exception of Yahweh He is the one that got me on the track to research) and have accepted me for who I am. Shalom Ron & Terri Heaton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/33f5c451/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Tue May 5 22:52:31 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:52:31 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever In-Reply-To: References: <4A0030A9.5020404@gninc.ca> <4A003C5D.6070507@gninc.ca><4A00C4C2.6080903@gninc.ca> Message-ID: <2FC7A23282F84B98936786F7FFFD5883@bettylaptop> Baruch HaShem, Cornie, for your gladness of heart and for getting your job back! What a blessing that both these things happened concurrently, and also that your job was just what you needed. So happy for you. I too appreciate your warm and caring posts.and I love the Hebraic dancing! I think it is not only a form of praise, but also of prayer whether one physically engages in the dance or just "dances" in one' s head. Have you ever read the quote.sorry forgot where I got it.below..? "Prayer is sometimes upright kneeling motionless dancing and silent screaming" When I read this years ago, it really spoke to my heart. I have done quite a bit of all of this lately. Blessings to you and all Cornie, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Patricia Robbins Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:05 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Rejoicing over your good news, Cornie!!!! Thank you for letting us know. It's such an encouragement to be made aware that HaShem is answering prayer. BARUCH HASHEM!!!!! Pat From: Cornie Reimer Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:59 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Thank you Pat, your prayer has been answered already, Baruch Hashem, and while i was rejoicing with GLADNESS OF HEART anyway, I got a double blessing today. I don't know if you are acquainted with Shifra Hendries, Turning Walls into Doorways Membership Club. I decided yesterday, to sign up for that course, $80.00 per month. I had wondered if I could afford it, and of all things, guess what!!! Hashem is my provider, I got my old job back of all days today. That is, 4 hours a day. That is all they need it for, and that is all I really care to do, isn't that special providence!!!!!!!!!! I had been laid off since the middle of Oct. /08. And that is not all, I got a special offer for Internet for a year, that saves me almost half of what that course will cost. And that got arranged about an hour ago. Blessings to you all, we may all go through tough times though, throughout the coming year, but with emuna in the hardest of trials, it will be rewarded by one who cares for us all. Cornie Patricia Robbins wrote: Cornie, I don't think you have any idea how much your sweet spirit boosts everyone with whom you come in contact. You are very much appreciated, Dear Brother. Not only did I love what you sent, but just seeing your name on the message is always uplifting. Am praying that our loving Father bless you this day with GLADNESS OF HEART! - And I'm asking Him for some for me too!!! Shalom Shalom, Pat From: Cornie Reimer Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:17 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Hi Patricia I was sending this out with a deep desire that my heart could be soaring above to heights, that some times seem so unobtainable. and just before a time of devotion and cry to Hashem to take me through the day, quickly checking my e-mails, I came upon this article by Lazer Brody, it so touched me i just wanted to share that with others. Just a little later i was prompted to check my e-mails again, and yours was the only one that came in so soon as a response. My heart just skipped for joy to see such a quick response with such warmth. Isn't this a small world? Hashem has such a sense of humor to try to ignite my old bones to start dancing for joy, in spite of any trials that may want to hinder it! Cornie Patricia Robbins wrote: Love it, Cornie! Thank you!!! From: Cornie Reimer Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:27 AM To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Hi all, isn't this neat? Cornie FeedBlitz wrote: Your email updates, powered by FeedBlitz Here are the latest updates for correim at gninc.ca "Lazer Beams" - 1 new article 1. Moshiach is a Breslever 2. More Recent Articles <> 3. Search Lazer Beams Moshiach is a Breslever Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is Breslever shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking to Hashem is neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor Sephardish, nor Litvish; it's not Rav Kookish either. Talking to Hashem - especially out in the field - is right out of the Torah. Ask Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. 24:63). The entire Book of Psalms is none other than King David's diary of personal prayer. King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a Na-Nach (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big surprise when they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC Van that's distributing emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and Gaza borders... When Moshiach comes, people will be sorry that they hadn't learned emuna or how to talk to Hashem in personal prayer. They'll also be really sorry that they're out of shape from junk food and lack of exercise, because they won't be able to dance with Moshiach; wait and see how Moshiach dances in Hashem's honor - fire and fervor is an understatement. Na_nachs_dancing . Email to a friend . Article Search . Related . . 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It seems that as the first contingent from there, we do have individual and collective tasks in the prophesied end-time Work of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Truly, we need Divinely-given wisdom and Guidance by His holy Spirit to do what we are assigned to do. Welcome to this "gathering." May the God of our Fathers be praised for mercifully gathering two more of "us" from the far and wide. Welcome! Steve "Only Torah, prayer and repentance will unify the Tribes of Israel." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Long ago King Neb tried to get the best of the young of Israel to eat his food. Assimilation of the Israelites into Babylon using food! Daniel and his mates refused. They were much stronger and healthier than those that did. Susie --- On Mon, 5/4/09, kim alvarado wrote: From: kim alvarado Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:05 PM Betty, Do you know any sources for non GMO food in Houston? ?The DFW area had a food co-op, but I haven't found an organic food co-op here. Kim On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Betty Eddy wrote: In reference to today's reading, genetically modified foods are a mixture. Not getting genetically modified foods is another story. If you are interested, http://www.responsibletechnology.org/ has some information. It seems that the only way to avoid GM foods is to eat everything organic, not always that easy. If any of you have any other sites, I would be interested. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090505/1b8b7023/attachment.html From dialogue at bdjones.com Wed May 6 06:05:16 2009 From: dialogue at bdjones.com (Brian) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 06:05:16 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas Message-ID: <200905061104.n46B4rNn015201@nlpi053.prodigy.net> .Shalom friends, I have an announcement for all of our fellow ROT friends on ROF. Rabbi Chaim Richman will have four public speaking appearances this month in Texas. I assume he needs no introduction to this group. If he does, I will include several links to the more formal announcement. The specifics: Rabbi Chaim Richman, the International Director of the Temple Institute in Jerusalem, will be speaking at the following locations in Texas during May of 2009. Rabbi Richman is one of the best-known authorities in the world concerning the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, as well as Jewish outreach and Torah-teaching to both Jews and non-Jews. It is such a privilege to be able to learn with him and to help him in these matters. Mark your calendar. Find a way to attend. You won't want to miss it. http://universaltorah.com/programming/speaking-schedules/ May 12, 2009 - Tuesday evening, 7 pm In Austin, Texas - Location: Allen Baca Center, 301 West Bagdad Ave, Round Rock, Texas - right off intersection of I-35 and FM 620, take FM 620 exit, turn left on FM 620 about 3 blocks, on right side May 13, 2009 - Wednesday evening, 7 pm In the Dallas, TX area - Location is now TBD. Please call Andrea at 254-559-4096 or 903-736-0978 for location and time. May 18, 2009 - Monday evening, 7 pm In Abilene, Texas - Location: Howard Johnson Plaza Hotel (ballroom), 5203 S. 1st Street, Abilene, Texas (next to Star Dodge and close to Sam?s Club). May 19th - Tuesday evening, 7:00 pm In Houston, Texas - Location: Marriott - Houston Hobby Airport, 9100 Gulf Freeway (I-45 S), Houston, Texas 77017 (Houston promo link, feel free to print it and pass it on) http://universaltorah.com/promos/Rabbi%20Chaim%20Richman%20May%202009%20Houston.pdf Free Admission, Free-will donations for the work of the Temple Institute will be accepted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/d709ce66/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Wed May 6 06:31:18 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 04:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas In-Reply-To: <200905061104.n46B4rNn015201@nlpi053.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <774444.39516.qm@web58502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Wow!? Texas seems to be getting a double dose!? I just got an email from Eddie Chumney and he will be in Texas during? May. ? MAY 13-14: LIVE TV ... God's Learning Channel Special Guest: Eddie Chumney LIVE TV PROGRAM: 8PM - 10PM (CST) Eddie will be teaching on: Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation Website: www.godslearningchannel.com MAY 15: ABILENE, TEXAS Speaker: Eddie Chumney Subject:?? Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation Time: 7PM Contact: Deb Myer Phone: 325-660-1952 E-mail: drillertee at nts-online.net MAY 16: GREENVILLE, TEXAS Speaker: Eddie Chumney Topic: Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation Time: 7PM Where: Serenity Hills Farm Contact Info: Judy Weeks Phone: 909-456-2086 E-mail: r.weaks at argontech.net vicinity of the ?DOME?.? MAY 17: DESOTO, TEXAS Speaker: Eddie Chumney Subject:? Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation For more info contact: Elisa Norman Phone: 817-881-6001 --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Brian wrote: From: Brian Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 6:05 AM .Shalom friends, I have an announcement for all of our fellow ROT friends on ROF. Rabbi Chaim Richman will have four public speaking appearances this month in Texas. I assume he needs no introduction to this group. If he does, I will include several links to the more formal announcement. The specifics: Rabbi Chaim Richman, the International Director of the Temple Institute in Jerusalem, will be speaking at the following locations in Texas during May of 2009. Rabbi Richman is one of the best-known authorities in the world concerning the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, as well as Jewish outreach and Torah-teaching to both Jews and non-Jews. It is such a privilege to be able to learn with him and to help him in these matters. Mark your calendar. Find a way to attend. You won't want to miss it. http://universaltorah.com/programming/speaking-schedules/ May 12, 2009 - Tuesday evening, 7 pm In Austin, Texas - Location: Allen Baca Center, 301 West Bagdad Ave, Round Rock, Texas - right off intersection of I-35 and FM 620, take FM 620 exit, turn left on FM 620 about 3 blocks, on right side May 13, 2009 - Wednesday evening, 7 pm In the Dallas, TX area - Location is now TBD. Please call Andrea at 254-559-4096 or 903-736-0978 for location and time. May 18, 2009 - Monday evening, 7 pm In Abilene, Texas - Location: Howard Johnson Plaza Hotel (ballroom), 5203 S. 1st Street, Abilene, Texas (next to Star Dodge and close to Sam?s Club). May 19th - Tuesday evening, 7:00 pm In Houston, Texas - Location: Marriott - Houston Hobby Airport, 9100 Gulf Freeway (I-45 S), Houston, Texas 77017 (Houston promo link, feel free to print it and pass it on) http://universaltorah.com/promos/Rabbi%20Chaim%20Richman%20May%202009%20Houston.pdf Free Admission, Free-will donations for the work of the Temple Institute will be accepted _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/23e8509b/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Wed May 6 07:03:36 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 05:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] mixed seeds In-Reply-To: <210777.27419.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <659098.38019.qm@web58506.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Susie, I'm with you! Anything that has to do with USDA control, which is our entire food supply, causes me to be suspicious.??I believe the rise in cancer and other diseases is directly related to?our food supply.?It has very little nutritional value and is toxic from the chemicals. ?I can remember the day when it was rare?for someone to have cancer.? Now it seems everyone is sick.? Call?me paranoid but I think there is a link?here.? I have?been farming organic for the last 5 years and every year my garden gets??bigger.??Of course, I spend most of the summer?out in the garden killing insects by hand.? I?know there are?things that are organic you can use but?I like being in the garden.??The birds do a pretty good job controlling many of them and so far they haven't eaten enough to cause much damage.?? I wish y'all were?close enough to share in?the bounty.? --- On Tue, 5/5/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:22 PM The very best way to know you are eating non GMO food is to grow it yourself by using heirloom seed. I am leary even of "organic" as of who has control over what is considered organic. At best if you buy organic make sure it states 100 percent organic as packaging requirements are tricky. There is much going on with the powers that be trying to control the food market. Much legislation under "The Food and Safety Act" that Monsanto is trying to control even organic growers. They would like to make it illegal for anyone to grow food without their control. Long ago King Neb tried to get the best of the young of Israel to eat his food. Assimilation of the Israelites into Babylon using food! Daniel and his mates refused. They were much stronger and healthier than those that did. Susie --- On Mon, 5/4/09, kim alvarado wrote: From: kim alvarado Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:05 PM Betty, Do you know any sources for non GMO food in Houston? ?The DFW area had a food co-op, but I haven't found an organic food co-op here. Kim On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Betty Eddy wrote: In reference to today's reading, genetically modified foods are a mixture. Not getting genetically modified foods is another story. If you are interested, http://www.responsibletechnology.org/ has some information. It seems that the only way to avoid GM foods is to eat everything organic, not always that easy. If any of you have any other sites, I would be interested. Betty Eddy _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/53423860/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Wed May 6 07:32:53 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:32:53 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] request for more prayers Message-ID: Hi All, I know how kind you have already been with your words and prayers, but I'm in a total panic again. Dad seemed to be getting a little better, but today he took a turn for the worst and has been rushed back into hospital with a high temperature. I still haven't got my passport back which has been sent for renewal, and my hands are totally tied. I feel helpless, I don't know what to do aside from send as many encouraging words as I can think of to mum, and pray and pray to HaShem for his mercy. Can I ask once again for your prayers? I have never met a better bunch of brethren who have hearts for seeking HaShem than all of you who put so much time and effort into making our family united. You have my heart and I long to meet you and be closer to you all - maybe next year in Jerusalem. Thank you so much, Please please pray for Dad Thank you again Catherine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/a7f26b50/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Wed May 6 08:01:21 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:01:21 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] request for more prayers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <050620091301.6839.4A018A21000298AD00001AB722230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Of course Catherine, prayer is a priveledge, not a burden. I know your mum is frightened and needs support the most, so please let her know that we are asking HaShem for mercy for you all and your Dad will be in our thoughts today. May HaShem grant the medical personnel wisdom and compassion in dealling with your Dad's condition. Shalom v"Brachot. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from "Catherine Cashmore" : -------------- Hi All, I know how kind you have already been with your words and prayers, but I'm in a total panic again. Dad seemed to be getting a little better, but today he took a turn for the worst and has been rushed back into hospital with a high temperature. I still haven't got my passport back which has been sent for renewal, and my hands are totally tied. I feel helpless, I don't know what to do aside from send as many encouraging words as I can think of to mum, and pray and pray to HaShem for his mercy. Can I ask once again for your prayers? I have never met a better bunch of brethren who have hearts for seeking HaShem than all of you who put so much time and effort into making our family united. You have my heart and I long to meet you and be closer to you all - maybe next year in Jerusalem. Thank you so much, Please please pray for Dad Thank you again Catherine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/5da29741/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Wed May 6 08:15:11 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:15:11 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas In-Reply-To: <200905061104.n46B4rNn015201@nlpi053.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <050620091315.11163.4A018D5F0008F91500002B9B22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Thanks Brian, I'll try to catch some of it. It's good to hear from you. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Brian : -------------- .Shalom friends, I have an announcement for all of our fellow ROT friends on ROF. Rabbi Chaim Richman will have four public speaking appearances this month in Texas. I assume he needs no introduction to this group. If he does, I will include several links to the more formal announcement. The specifics: Rabbi Chaim Richman, the International Director of the Temple Institute in Jerusalem, will be speaking at the following locations in Texas during May of 2009. Rabbi Richman is one of the best-known authorities in the world concerning the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, as well as Jewish outreach and Torah-teaching to both Jews and non-Jews. It is such a privilege to be able to learn with him and to help him in these matters. Mark your calendar. Find a way to attend. You won't want to miss it. http://universaltorah.com/programming/speaking-schedules/ May 12, 2009 - Tuesday evening, 7 pm In Austin, Texas - Location: Allen Baca Center, 301 West Bagdad Ave, Round Rock, Texas - right off intersection of I-35 and FM 620, take FM 620 exit, turn left on FM 620 about 3 blocks, on right side May 13, 2009 - Wednesday evening, 7 pm In the Dallas, TX area - Location is now TBD. Please call Andrea at 254-559-4096 or 903-736-0978 for location and time. May 18, 2009 - Monday evening, 7 pm In Abilene, Texas - Location: Howard Johnson Plaza Hotel (ballroom), 5203 S. 1st Street, Abilene, Texas (next to Star Dodge and close to Sam?s Club). May 19th - Tuesday evening, 7:00 pm In Houston, Texas - Location: Marriott - Houston Hobby Airport, 9100 Gulf Freeway (I-45 S), Houston, Texas 77017 (Houston promo link, feel free to print it and pass it on) http://universaltorah.com/promos/Rabbi%20Chaim%20Richman%20May%202009%20Houston.pdf Free Admission, Free-will donations for the work of the Temple Institute will be accepted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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God's Learning Channel Special Guest: Eddie Chumney LIVE TV PROGRAM: 8PM - 10PM (CST) Eddie will be teaching on: Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation Website: www.godslearningchannel.com MAY 15: ABILENE, TEXAS Speaker: Eddie Chumney Subject: Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation Time: 7PM Contact: Deb Myer Phone: 325-660-1952 E-mail: drillertee at nts-online.net MAY 16: GREENVILLE, TEXAS Speaker: Eddie Chumney Topic: Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation Time: 7PM Where: Serenity Hills Farm Contact Info: Judy Weeks Phone: 909-456-2086 E-mail: r.weaks at argontech.net vicinity of the ?DOME?. MAY 17: DESOTO, TEXAS Speaker: Eddie Chumney Subject: Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation For more info contact: Elisa Norman Phone: 817-881-6001 --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Brian wrote: From: Brian Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 6:05 AM .Shalom friends, I have an announcement for all of our fellow ROT friends on ROF. Rabbi Chaim Richman will have four public speaking appearances this month in Texas. I assume he needs no introduction to this group. If he does, I will include several links to the more formal announcement. The specifics: Rabbi Chaim Richman, the International Director of the Temple Institute in Jerusalem, will be speaking at the following locations in Texas during May of 2009. Rabbi Richman is one of the best-known authorities in the world concerning the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, as well as Jewish outreach and Torah-teaching to both Jews and non-Jews. It is such a privilege to be able to learn with him and to help him in these matters. Mark your calendar. Find a way to attend. You won't want to miss it. http://universaltorah.com/programming/speaking-schedules/ May 12, 2009 - Tuesday evening, 7 pm In Austin, Texas - Location: Allen Baca Center, 301 West Bagdad Ave, Round Rock, Texas - right off intersection of I-35 and FM 620, take FM 620 exit, turn left on FM 620 about 3 blocks, on right side May 13, 2009 - Wednesday evening, 7 pm In the Dallas, TX area - Location is now TBD. Please call Andrea at 254-559-4096 or 903-736-0978 for location and time. May 18, 2009 - Monday evening, 7 pm In Abilene, Texas - Location: Howard Johnson Plaza Hotel (ballroom), 5203 S. 1st Street, Abilene, Texas (next to Star Dodge and close to Sam?s Club). May 19th - Tuesday evening, 7:00 pm In Houston, Texas - Location: Marriott - Houston Hobby Airport, 9100 Gulf Freeway (I-45 S), Houston, Texas 77017 (Houston promo link, feel free to print it and pass it on) http://universaltorah.com/promos/Rabbi%20Chaim%20Richman%20May%202009%20Houston.pdf Free Admission, Free-will donations for the work of the Temple Institute will be accepted _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/a8978031/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Wed May 6 08:21:00 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:21:00 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] request for more prayers In-Reply-To: <050620091301.6839.4A018A21000298AD00001AB722230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <050620091301.6839.4A018A21000298AD00001AB722230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: Yes, Catherine! I'm praying as well. Pat From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:01 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] request for more prayers Of course Catherine, prayer is a priveledge, not a burden. I know your mum is frightened and needs support the most, so please let her know that we are asking HaShem for mercy for you all and your Dad will be in our thoughts today. May HaShem grant the medical personnel wisdom and compassion in dealling with your Dad's condition. Shalom v"Brachot. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from "Catherine Cashmore" : -------------- Hi All, I know how kind you have already been with your words and prayers, but I'm in a total panic again. Dad seemed to be getting a little better, but today he took a turn for the worst and has been rushed back into hospital with a high temperature. I still haven't got my passport back which has been sent for renewal, and my hands are totally tied. I feel helpless, I don't know what to do aside from send as many encouraging words as I can think of to mum, and pray and pray to HaShem for his mercy. Can I ask once again for your prayers? I have never met a better bunch of brethren who have hearts for seeking HaShem than all of you who put so much time and effort into making our family united. You have my heart and I long to meet you and be closer to you all - maybe next year in Jerusalem. Thank you so much, Please please pray for Dad Thank you again Catherine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/a7419dec/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 6 09:18:38 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] request for more prayers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <855590370905060718qca91cc7tfcf3101312cb5d5e@mail.gmail.com> Shalom Catherine - Your father is in my prayers...please let us all know how he's doing, and any new developments. May he receive a refuah shlema - a complete and total recovery. * Hanoch * On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Catherine Cashmore wrote: > Hi All, I know how kind you have already been with your words and > prayers, but I'm in a total panic again. Dad seemed to be getting a little > better, but today he took a turn for the worst and has been rushed back into > hospital with a high temperature. I still haven't got my passport back > which has been sent for renewal, and my hands are totally tied. I feel > helpless, I don't know what to do aside from send as many encouraging words > as I can think of to mum, and pray and pray to HaShem for his mercy. Can I > ask once again for your prayers? I have never met a better bunch of > brethren who have hearts for seeking HaShem than all of you who put so much > time and effort into making our family united. You have my heart and I long > to meet you and be closer to you all - maybe next year in Jerusalem. > > Thank you so much, > > Please please pray for Dad > > Thank you again > > Catherine > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/c3081d3a/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Wed May 6 09:21:20 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 07:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] request for more prayers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <497755.22023.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Catherine: ? I am also praying for your Dad, Mom and you too. It is hard to be so far away at a time like this. Hopefully your passport will arrive soon. ? Shalom and kind regards, ? Helen --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Patricia Robbins wrote: From: Patricia Robbins Subject: Re: [Dialogue] request for more prayers To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 9:21 AM Yes, Catherine!? I'm praying as well. ? Pat From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:01 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] request for more prayers Of course Catherine, prayer is a priveledge, not a burden.? I know your mum is frightened and needs support the most, so please let her know that we are asking HaShem for mercy for you all and your Dad will be in our thoughts today.? May HaShem grant the medical personnel wisdom and compassion in dealling with your Dad's condition. ? Shalom v"Brachot. ? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted ? -------------- Original message from "Catherine Cashmore" : -------------- Hi All,? I know how kind you have already been with your words and prayers, but I'm in a total panic again.? Dad seemed to be getting a little better, but today he took a turn for the worst and has?been rushed back into hospital with a high temperature.? I still haven't got my passport back which has been sent for renewal, and my hands are totally tied.? I feel helpless, I don't know what to do aside from send as many encouraging words as I can think of to mum, and pray and pray to HaShem for his mercy.? Can I ask once again for your prayers?? I have never met a better bunch of brethren who have hearts for seeking HaShem than all of you who put so much time and effort into making our family united.? You have my heart and I long to meet you and be closer to you all - maybe next year in Jerusalem. ? Thank you so much, ? Please please pray for Dad ? Thank you again ? Catherine _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/6831e302/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 6 09:21:58 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:21:58 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas In-Reply-To: <200905061104.n46B4rNn015201@nlpi053.prodigy.net> References: <200905061104.n46B4rNn015201@nlpi053.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <855590370905060721n1c79ac7ap39edd0c64bbc9066@mail.gmail.com> Hey Brian - Missed you in Charlotte :-( We still have 4 months here in the U.S. that we can get started on that project we spoke about...I'm in Ohio with Eddie Chumney right now, will be returning to NYC Thursday night. How about giving me a call on Saturday night (after 9:00 NYC time) or Sunday? Please send my warmest regards to Rav Chaim.... All the best, * Hanoch * On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Brian wrote: > *.*Shalom friends, > > I have an announcement for all of our fellow ROT friends on ROF. > > Rabbi Chaim Richman will have four public speaking appearances this month > in Texas. > I assume he needs no introduction to this group. If he does, I will include > several links to the more formal announcement. > > The specifics: > > Rabbi Chaim Richman, the International Director of the Temple Institute in > Jerusalem, will be speaking at the following locations in Texas during May > of 2009. Rabbi Richman is one of the best-known authorities in the world > concerning the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, as well as Jewish > outreach and Torah-teaching to both Jews and non-Jews. It is such a > privilege to be able to learn with him and to help him in these matters. > Mark your calendar. Find a way to attend. You won't want to miss it. > > *http://universaltorah.com/programming/speaking-schedules/ > > **May 12, 2009 - Tuesday evening, 7 pm > In Austin, Texas* - Location: Allen Baca Center, 301 West Bagdad Ave, > Round Rock, Texas - right off intersection of I-35 and FM 620, take FM 620 > exit, turn left on FM 620 about 3 blocks, on right side > > *May 13, 2009 - Wednesday evening, 7 pm > In the Dallas, TX area* - Location is now TBD. Please call Andrea at > 254-559-4096 or 903-736-0978 for location and time. > > *May 18, 2009 - Monday evening, 7 pm > In Abilene, Texas* - Location: Howard Johnson Plaza Hotel (ballroom), 5203 > S. 1st Street, Abilene, Texas (next to Star Dodge and close to Sam?s Club). > > *May 19th - Tuesday evening, 7:00 pm > In Houston, Texas *- Location: Marriott - Houston Hobby Airport, 9100 Gulf > Freeway (I-45 S), Houston, Texas 77017 > (Houston promo link, feel free to print it and pass it on) > * > http://universaltorah.com/promos/Rabbi%20Chaim%20Richman%20May%202009%20Houston.pdf > > **Free Admission, Free-will donations for the work of the Temple Institute > will be accepted > * > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/205b435f/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 6 09:32:20 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:32:20 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas In-Reply-To: <774444.39516.qm@web58502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <200905061104.n46B4rNn015201@nlpi053.prodigy.net> <774444.39516.qm@web58502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <855590370905060732v20406cf1xbe3994abcd629c90@mail.gmail.com> Hey Margie - I've been spending the last 3 days with Eddie at his home in Ohio. We've had some fascinating discussions, along with a Bishop, who has opened up 106 non-denominational Churches in PAKISTAN! Although we have chosen different paths in our relationship to HaShem, it has been a truly amazing time, so far - and more to come!! He's an amazingly bright guy, with exceptional insights - particularly into the NT. We don't see it all the same way, but it has been an extraordinary experience to understand where he's coming from, and why. Enjoy the presentation - I know you will!! :-) Got to be careful what I say to you - after having received numerous emails expressing concern about my laundry.....you guys go hear Rav Chaim & Eddie - I'll take care of my wash, don't be concerned! :-) If someone ever wants to help me fold though, just let me know - I can't seem to get straight lines with ANY clothing! Very best regards, Hanoch On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Margie Creech wrote: > Wow! Texas seems to be getting a double dose! I just got an email from > Eddie Chumney and he will be in Texas during May. > > > *MAY 13-14:** **LIVE TV** ... **God's Learning Channel* > > *Special Guest: Eddie Chumney* > > *LIVE TV PROGRAM: **8PM - 10PM (CST)* > > *Eddie will be teaching on: Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation* > > *Website:** www.godslearningchannel.com* > > > *MAY 15:** **ABILENE, TEXAS* > > *Speaker:** Eddie Chumney* > *Subject:** Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation* > > *Time:** 7PM* > *Contact: **Deb Myer* > > *Phone: **325-660-1952* > *E-mail:** drillertee at nts-online.net* > > > *MAY 16:** **GREENVILLE, TEXAS* > > *Speaker: **Eddie Chumney* > > *Topic: **Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation* > > *Time:** 7PM* > *Where:** Serenity Hills Farm* > > *Contact Info:** Judy Weeks * > > *Phone:** 909-456-2086* > *E-mail: **r.weaks at argontech.net* > > > *vicinity of the ?DOME?. * > *MAY 17:** **DESOTO, TEXAS* > > *Speaker: **Eddie Chumney* > > *Subject:** Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation * > > *For more info contact: Elisa Norman* > > *Phone:** 817-881-6001* > --- On *Wed, 5/6/09, Brian * wrote: > > From: Brian > Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 6:05 AM > > > *.*Shalom friends, > > I have an announcement for all of our fellow ROT friends on ROF. > > Rabbi Chaim Richman will have four public speaking appearances this month > in Texas. > I assume he needs no introduction to this group. If he does, I will include > several links to the more formal announcement. > > The specifics: > > Rabbi Chaim Richman, the International Director of the Temple Institute in > Jerusalem, will be speaking at the following locations in Texas during May > of 2009. Rabbi Richman is one of the best-known authorities in the world > concerning the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, as well as Jewish > outreach and Torah-teaching to both Jews and non-Jews. It is such a > privilege to be able to learn with him and to help him in these matters. > Mark your calendar. Find a way to attend. You won't want to miss it. > > *http://universaltorah.com/programming/speaking-schedules/ > > **May 12, 2009 - Tuesday evening, 7 pm > In Austin, Texas* - Location: Allen Baca Center, 301 West Bagdad Ave, > Round Rock, Texas - right off intersection of I-35 and FM 620, take FM 620 > exit, turn left on FM 620 about 3 blocks, on right side > > *May 13, 2009 - Wednesday evening, 7 pm > In the Dallas, TX area* - Location is now TBD. Please call Andrea at > 254-559-4096 or 903-736-0978 for location and time. > > *May 18, 2009 - Monday evening, 7 pm > In Abilene, Texas* - Location: Howard Johnson Plaza Hotel (ballroom), 5203 > S. 1st Street, Abilene, Texas (next to Star Dodge and close to Sam?s Club). > > *May 19th - Tuesday evening, 7:00 pm > In Houston, Texas *- Location: Marriott - Houston Hobby Airport, 9100 Gulf > Freeway (I-45 S), Houston, Texas 77017 > (Houston promo link, feel free to print it and pass it on) > * > http://universaltorah.com/promos/Rabbi%20Chaim%20Richman%20May%202009%20Houston.pdf > > **Free Admission, Free-will donations for the work of the Temple Institute > will be accepted > * > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/d191d00c/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Wed May 6 09:49:14 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 07:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Fw: Obama's Plan to Destroy Israel by Daniel Greenfield Message-ID: <926342.47060.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Women in Green wrote: From: Women in Green Subject: Obama's Plan to Destroy Israel by Daniel Greenfield To: wfit2 at womeningreen.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 3:40 AM Instructions for unsubscribing can be found in the footer of this message. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Friends, You are great! Within a few hours of sending our email about our bus campaign, you pledged for 65 buses already! Thank you so much! Keep those pledges coming. We would like to be able to have at least 100 buses with ads. After reading Daniel Greenfield's article below, one understands even more why it is of utmost importance to strengthen Bibi Netanyahu not to cave in to the pressure they are planning to put on him. With Love for Israel, Nadia Matar, Women in Green Yehudit Katzover, Kiryat Arba Hevron Action Committee ------------------------------------------------------ Obama's Plan to Destroy Israel Daniel Greenfield - May 5, 2009 If there's one thing that the Carter Administration can be given credit for, it's creating the new wave of Islamist terrorism, both Sunni, operating out of Afghanistan, and Shiite, operating out of Iran. The Carter Administration cracked down on Israel and put its "faith" in Muslim terrorists, who then went on to wage war on America, even while Carter was in office. 28 years after Carter was removed from office, we're in reruns again with the Obama Administration, which is not only following the Carter line, but whose plans greatly exceed it. 28 years ago, Wahhabi Sunni and Shiite terrorists were generally an afterthought when compared to the standard USSR backed Marxist terrorist groups, such as the PLO. Today, thanks in part to the Carter Administration, they control several countries and have designs on several more. From Pakistan to Afghanistan, from Gaza to Lebanon, from the Middle East to Southeast Asia, the threat is very real and bigger than ever particularly as the race by both Sunni and Shiite groups to build and deploy nuclear weapons continues. Like Carter before him, Obama has chosen to cut backdoor deals with the Mullahs in Iran, offering them power over Iraq and Afghanistan, in exchange for quieting things down enough to let him hang up a Mission Accomplished banner and pull the troops out. "Peace with honor", preferably before the next election. The rape law for Shiites in Afghanistan, the push for a US funded Hamas/Fatah Unity government in the territories and the rising expansion of the Taliban are all fruits of this arrangement. If Iran is to be our new best friend under this arrangement, Israel is to be our new best enemy. Obama stacked the deck by deploying Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State in a position that gave her an important title, but absolutely no power to go with it, while stacking the National Security Council and even the Pentagon with oil appointees in the pockets of the Saudis or his own left wing radical friends. Israel electing a conservative government really put the ball into play, freeing up even more resources for attacking Israel. The strategy runs something like this. The Obama Administration has broken down the Israel problem into two subsections, Israel itself, and American Jews. Obama's people have studied the problem and understand where Carter went wrong. Obama does not want to have the same image problems as Carter in the Jewish community. Should that happen, the Beloved Leader and his lapdog press are fully prepared to unleash a Chavez style hate-on targeting American Jews. But that would be inconvenient and messy. Even with the changing face of America, there are significant differences between the average American and European or Venezuelan, and what kind of ugliness they are willing to tolerate. So Obama's people have split their attention in handling the two factors as two different problems. American Jews - Obama has been clever about putting his Jewish appointees front and center. Like many minorities, some American Jews suffer from self-esteem problems that are soothed when they see a seeming acceptance. Of course what they fail to realize is that exploitation is not acceptance. And that Obama's appointees are creatures of his backers, Nazi collaborators like Soros, who have nothing but contempt for Jews, individually or collectively. While outwardly courting Jews, Obama's people have also been quietly shoving Jewish organizations and their leaders into a corner. Within the Jewish organizational world there has been a silent but deadly takeover of major Jewish groups by left wing radicals. Former alumni of the far left wing and anti-Israel groups like Breira or Coname in the 70's have been elevated to key positions in such organizations as the UJA Federation. Behind the scenes any Jewish leaders who expressed even doubts about Obama during the primaries were intimidated and silenced. Much as with conservatives, a list has been drawn up of those figures who can be won over, and those who cannot. The ones who can be won over are described as "moderates", the ones who cannot be won over are described as "extremists". Meanwhile a bevvy of left wing Jewish In Name Only groups have been organized to play their part. Key among them is the Soros funded J Street, a group created as an anti-Israel lobby meant to eventually replace AIPAC. Meanwhile AIPAC itself has been kept on the ropes with such things as the well timed Harman leak. The message once again is fairly clear, cooperate and keep quiet, or we'll destroy you. The multi-layered approach to American Jews can then be summed up as follows; 1.) Co-opt existing Jewish organizations and swing them to the left using old school 70's leftists. 2.) Create new "progressive" organizations to appeal to a younger generation of ethnically Jewish youth detached from any actual identity. Have these organizations generate attacks on the Israeli government and pro-Israel Jews, while creating phony polls indicating that most American Jews are behind them and Obama. 3.) Silence and intimidate remaining Jewish organizations and leaders behind the scenes. The overall idea is to keep a happy face pasted on American Jewry while the knives are out in the dark. Israel - The basic understanding in the Obama Administration is that Israel Must Go. In the worldview of the more moderate Obama appointees, Israel is a destabilizing factor in the Middle East. To the more left wing Obama advisors, Israel is a Western imperialist colonialist state that must be destroyed in the name of revolutionary justice. To the Islamist mindset, Israel is a Kufir state that has no right to exist in the Dar Al Islam. While intractably hostile to Israel, the Obama Administration wants to avoid the kind of public confrontations that marked the Carter and Bush Sr administrations. Instead they would much rather model the way that the Clinton Administration waged a quiet war against Israel, removing one government, and forcing extensive concessions to terrorists, all the while keeping a happy face pasted on the whole affair. On the one hand that means avoiding harsh public attacks on Israel, but keeping the pressure up for Israel to make extensive far reaching one sided concessions, to accept Saudi and Arab League "peace plans", to legitimize Hamas as the new government of the Palestinian Authority, and to insure that Israel does not reply to any rocket or terrorist attacks. There are two forms of quiet leverage that the United States has on Israel, the first is financial and the second is military. On the financial side, the goal will be to bring down the Netanyahu government coalition by destabilizing Israel economically. This is the surest and most direct path to bringing down Israel's conservative government and replacing it with a left of center coalition. The Obama Administration has a wide variety of tactics at its disposal for doing so, from the overt, such as targeting Israeli exports and imports, to the covert, that would involve targeting the Shekel. Additionally fundraising in the US could be investigated and groups such as the Jewish National Fund, prevented from raising money in the US. All of these have been in play before at one time or another. On the military side, Obama's people will make their non-existent efforts to stop Iran's nukes conditional on more concessions to terrorists. Since Israel will never be able to make enough concessions and since Obama is working with Iran, rather than working to stop Iran's nukes, this is a hollow charade. Furthermore while Israel has already been locked out of the military technology pipeline for anything cutting edge, it still remains dependent on US military equipment for parts and supplies. The decades of US foreign aid have also served to create dependency. Unlike many other countries, including even Sweden, Israel does not have its own jet fighter. Israel's Air Force is heavily dependent on US weapons, parts and equipment. Cutting Israel off, would leave the Israeli military dangerously vulnerable in the case of a war. This is an effective chokehold that has been used before to prevent Israel from attacking Saddam Hussein during the Gulf War, as well as preventing Israel from carrying out a preemptive strike against its enemies before the Yom Kippur War. The overall Obama policy will be to push Israel to the brink, using financial and military blackmail against the Netanyahu government, while maintaining control over American Jews to prevent any protests or backtalk. The more Israel will offer, the more the Obama Administration will tighten the screws. No offer will be good enough, and Israel will be blamed for every breakdown in talks and every bit of violence that takes place. The media will portray Israel and particularly Netanyahu as extremist and intransigent. Hamas will be slowly whitewashed in the media, the same way that Arafat's goons were, (assuming that they prove more willing to cooperate in creating a positive media image of themselves than Ahmadinejad is.) The plan is to destroy Israel, and to do it by pushing Israel to the edge of the cliff and then over the cliff. Israel's enemies will be getting top of the line US military equipment. Israel will not. Israel will be squeezed economically until the Netanyahu government collapses, leaving a weak left wing leader like Livni in charge of Israel, and in charge of acceding to the new Pharaoh's demands. Meanwhile so-called American Jewish groups will support Obama all the way, some because they were created precisely for that purpose, e.g. J-Street, and others because they have been hijacked, cowed or subverted. That is the game plan and some of it's coming. The rest is already here. Daniel Greenfield is a New York City based writer and freelance commentator. ?Daniel comments on political affairs with a special focus on the War on Terror and the rising threat to Western Civilization. He maintains a blog at http://Sultanknish.blogspot.com Daniel can be reached at: sultanknish at yahoo.com http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2009/05/obamas-plan-to-destroy-israel.html ============================================= Women For Israel's Tomorrow? 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In-Reply-To: <1EF61FAFA8BD4AE9885D17A560F56E4B@bettylaptop> Message-ID: <050620091457.15714.4A01A5550001FE2100003D6222243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Excellent Elisheva! Perfect to start the day with. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from "Betty Givin" : -------------- I loved this when I first read it and thought it might be something short and meaningful to share with all of you ?Earth?s crammed with heaven, And every common bush afire with G-d; But only he who sees, takes off his shoes- The rest sit round it and pluck blackberries?. Elizabeth Barret Browning Elisheva/Betty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/cbeaf966/attachment.html From gets52000 at yahoo.com Wed May 6 11:21:15 2009 From: gets52000 at yahoo.com (susie getskow) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas In-Reply-To: <855590370905060732v20406cf1xbe3994abcd629c90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <916300.6995.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> After an intense 14 weeks of Hashem himself peeling the scales from my eyes regarding the truth of Scripture I finally searched the internet for others who taught what Hashem had been telling me. Eddie Chumneys teachings especially on the feasts and festivals were very helpful to me. Susie --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: Re: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 7:32 AM Hey Margie - ? ?? I've been spending the last 3 days with Eddie at his home in Ohio.? We've had some fascinating discussions, along with a Bishop, who has opened up 106 non-denominational Churches in PAKISTAN!?? Although we have chosen different paths in our relationship to HaShem, it has been a truly amazing time, so far - and more to come!!? He's an amazingly bright guy, with exceptional insights - particularly into the NT.? We don't see it all the same way, but it has been an extraordinary experience to understand where he's coming from, and why.? ? ??? Enjoy the presentation - I know you will!!? :-) ? ????Got to be careful what I say to you - after having received numerous emails expressing concern about my laundry.....you guys go hear Rav Chaim &?Eddie - I'll take care of my wash, don't be concerned!? :-)? If someone ever wants to help me fold though, just let me know - I can't seem to get straight lines with ANY clothing! ? ??? Very best regards, ???????????? Hanoch On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Margie Creech wrote: Wow!? Texas seems to be getting a double dose!? I just got an email from Eddie Chumney and he will be in Texas during? May. ? MAY 13-14: LIVE TV ... God's Learning Channel Special Guest: Eddie Chumney LIVE TV PROGRAM: 8PM - 10PM (CST) Eddie will be teaching on: Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation Website: www.godslearningchannel.com MAY 15: ABILENE, TEXAS Speaker: Eddie Chumney Subject:?? Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation Time: 7PM Contact: Deb Myer Phone: 325-660-1952 E-mail: drillertee at nts-online.net MAY 16: GREENVILLE, TEXAS Speaker: Eddie Chumney Topic: Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation Time: 7PM Where: Serenity Hills Farm Contact Info: Judy Weeks Phone: 909-456-2086 E-mail: r.weaks at argontech.net vicinity of the ?DOME?.? MAY 17: DESOTO, TEXAS Speaker: Eddie Chumney Subject:? Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation For more info contact: Elisa Norman Phone: 817-881-6001 --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Brian wrote: From: Brian Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 6:05 AM .Shalom friends, I have an announcement for all of our fellow ROT friends on ROF. Rabbi Chaim Richman will have four public speaking appearances this month in Texas. I assume he needs no introduction to this group. If he does, I will include several links to the more formal announcement. The specifics: Rabbi Chaim Richman, the International Director of the Temple Institute in Jerusalem, will be speaking at the following locations in Texas during May of 2009. Rabbi Richman is one of the best-known authorities in the world concerning the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, as well as Jewish outreach and Torah-teaching to both Jews and non-Jews. It is such a privilege to be able to learn with him and to help him in these matters. Mark your calendar. Find a way to attend. You won't want to miss it. http://universaltorah.com/programming/speaking-schedules/ May 12, 2009 - Tuesday evening, 7 pm In Austin, Texas - Location: Allen Baca Center, 301 West Bagdad Ave, Round Rock, Texas - right off intersection of I-35 and FM 620, take FM 620 exit, turn left on FM 620 about 3 blocks, on right side May 13, 2009 - Wednesday evening, 7 pm In the Dallas, TX area - Location is now TBD. Please call Andrea at 254-559-4096 or 903-736-0978 for location and time. May 18, 2009 - Monday evening, 7 pm In Abilene, Texas - Location: Howard Johnson Plaza Hotel (ballroom), 5203 S. 1st Street, Abilene, Texas (next to Star Dodge and close to Sam?s Club). May 19th - Tuesday evening, 7:00 pm In Houston, Texas - Location: Marriott - Houston Hobby Airport, 9100 Gulf Freeway (I-45 S), Houston, Texas 77017 (Houston promo link, feel free to print it and pass it on) http://universaltorah.com/promos/Rabbi%20Chaim%20Richman%20May%202009%20Houston.pdf Free Admission, Free-will donations for the work of the Temple Institute will be accepted _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/02205af5/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Wed May 6 11:33:58 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:33:58 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] request for more prayers In-Reply-To: <497755.22023.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <497755.22023.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46FDB213727C4EF9B31EA470D4C9ABCA@bettylaptop> Dear Catherine, I join with the others to tell you that I am praying for your Dad and for you and your Mum as well. Having been somewhat where you are, being far away from my own dad when he was so sick, and being unable to go to him, I do so understand where you are coming from and how much your heart is hurting. Please be assured that prayers are going up. HaShem is a good of compassion and mercy and power! May He grant a speedy and full recovery (a refuah shleima) to your precious dad and give you and your Mum peace that he is in good hands . Years ago amidst a time of great stress with one of my daughters, I had a 'vision' if I could call it that.while I was kneeling beside my bed, it was as though I could see outside myself.I was kneeling and crying, imploring HaShem for help with my beloved child.then I saw myself holding her and cradling her and trying to comfort her as if she were once again a little baby.then I stood up and with her still in my arms, I stretched my hands upward as high as I could reach.and then I saw this Giant Hand reaching down to take her from me.the next thing I saw was figure (hard to explain.no features really) holding her in His arms and cradling her just as I had done. I believe that was the Yad Tova (the Good Hand) of HaShem, El Shaddai, reaching down to provide comfort and nurturing and peace, but I had to reach up and relinquish any control that I thought I had first.Since then, I have seen this picture many times in my mind when I or someone close to me is going thru a seemingly unbearable situation.whether it is one of my daughters, my grandchildren, my husband, or a friend.it gave me great comfort during my mother's last days as well. I just thought I would pass this on to you as it meant so much to me. I love you, Catherine, and I join my prayers with all of the others that are going up in your Dad's behalf.as well as yours and your Mum's. Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Helen Lusk Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:21 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] request for more prayers Dear Catherine: I am also praying for your Dad, Mom and you too. It is hard to be so far away at a time like this. Hopefully your passport will arrive soon. Shalom and kind regards, Helen --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Patricia Robbins wrote: From: Patricia Robbins Subject: Re: [Dialogue] request for more prayers To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 9:21 AM Yes, Catherine! I'm praying as well. Pat From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:01 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] request for more prayers Of course Catherine, prayer is a priveledge, not a burden. I know your mum is frightened and needs support the most, so please let her know that we are asking HaShem for mercy for you all and your Dad will be in our thoughts today. May HaShem grant the medical personnel wisdom and compassion in dealling with your Dad's condition. Shalom v"Brachot. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from "Catherine Cashmore" : -------------- Hi All, I know how kind you have already been with your words and prayers, but I'm in a total panic again. Dad seemed to be getting a little better, but today he took a turn for the worst and has been rushed back into hospital with a high temperature. I still haven't got my passport back which has been sent for renewal, and my hands are totally tied. I feel helpless, I don't know what to do aside from send as many encouraging words as I can think of to mum, and pray and pray to HaShem for his mercy. Can I ask once again for your prayers? I have never met a better bunch of brethren who have hearts for seeking HaShem than all of you who put so much time and effort into making our family united. You have my heart and I long to meet you and be closer to you all - maybe next year in Jerusalem. Thank you so much, Please please pray for Dad Thank you again Catherine _____ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/512a42b4/attachment.html From gets52000 at yahoo.com Wed May 6 11:43:43 2009 From: gets52000 at yahoo.com (susie getskow) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] mixed seeds In-Reply-To: <659098.38019.qm@web58506.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <191802.25796.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Margie, Much has been written lately about the connection between food and health especially cancer. The Makers Diet and Kevin Trudeau are two. I do not think it is paranoid to know that the medical profession, drug industry, FDA and food industry are all intertwined. There is huge huge money to be had. It is all in their pocketbooks best interest for us to be in need of their services. This will be my first year of a big garden. I would love to be near you to learn much from you. Harvesting the seeds for next year could be my biggest challenge. The other day I tried looking for seeds on a Basil plant I had let go and couldn't even find the seeds! Hopefully not many will depend on me to keep them fed!! Susie --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Margie Creech wrote: From: Margie Creech Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:03 AM Susie, I'm with you! Anything that has to do with USDA control, which is our entire food supply, causes me to be suspicious.??I believe the rise in cancer and other diseases is directly related to?our food supply.?It has very little nutritional value and is toxic from the chemicals. ?I can remember the day when it was rare?for someone to have cancer.? Now it seems everyone is sick.? Call?me paranoid but I think there is a link?here.? I have?been farming organic for the last 5 years and every year my garden gets??bigger.??Of course, I spend most of the summer?out in the garden killing insects by hand.? I?know there are?things that are organic you can use but?I like being in the garden.??The birds do a pretty good job controlling many of them and so far they haven't eaten enough to cause much damage.?? I wish y'all were?close enough to share in?the bounty.? --- On Tue, 5/5/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:22 PM The very best way to know you are eating non GMO food is to grow it yourself by using heirloom seed. I am leary even of "organic" as of who has control over what is considered organic. At best if you buy organic make sure it states 100 percent organic as packaging requirements are tricky. There is much going on with the powers that be trying to control the food market. Much legislation under "The Food and Safety Act" that Monsanto is trying to control even organic growers. They would like to make it illegal for anyone to grow food without their control. Long ago King Neb tried to get the best of the young of Israel to eat his food. Assimilation of the Israelites into Babylon using food! Daniel and his mates refused. They were much stronger and healthier than those that did. Susie --- On Mon, 5/4/09, kim alvarado wrote: From: kim alvarado Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:05 PM Betty, Do you know any sources for non GMO food in Houston? ?The DFW area had a food co-op, but I haven't found an organic food co-op here. Kim On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Betty Eddy wrote: In reference to today's reading, genetically modified foods are a mixture. Not getting genetically modified foods is another story. If you are interested, http://www.responsibletechnology.org/ has some information. It seems that the only way to avoid GM foods is to eat everything organic, not always that easy. If any of you have any other sites, I would be interested. Betty Eddy _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/081160b6/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Wed May 6 11:44:31 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:44:31 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] FW: Factory Farming Flu Message-ID: <5E9DB0DDCB894E3892A284BA21C48ADE@bettylaptop> Received this just now and am passing it on .not that all will go vegan, it does have some good info. In the back of my mind, I keep thinking of the charge that HaShem gave mankind to nurture and care for our planet.see what you think. Shalom Elisheva/Betty EL home page pic Factory Farming Flu - or H1N1 as the Pork Industry prefers to call it It is on every news channel, in all newspaper headlines and every magazine covers. People everywhere are talking about Swine Flu. 100 people have died, more are dying and many more are seriously ill. Unfortunately, and predictably, not a whole lot is being said about why we are dealing with it. The truth is that Swine Flu, like its predecessors Mad Cow Disease, SARS and Bird Flu, is caused by human practices and the factory farming of animals. So while the networks and major newspapers are busy raising alarms and offering no solutions, we thought we would share with you a few reports on the root of the virus. * CNN : Yes, you read it right, one CNN reporter (Jane Velez-Mitchell) had the guts to go against the stream and break the story. (Bravo Jane!!) * The Humane Society / CDC : This article found on the Humane Society's website includes information from many scientific sources, including The Centers For Disease Control, and provides an in-depth view of where the virus came from and how it has emerged today. * Change.org : A good article for those who resist information from activists . However, this article only recommends cutting meat consumption instead of avoidance. * Rolling Stone : A little dated (from 2006) but a really good in-debth commentary that foreshadows the problem we are now facing. * Permaculture Research Institute : This blog post looks at the environmental and economic effect of a possible pandemic. _______________ Did you know ?? Animals and the Environment While there is some indication that environmental groups are staring to appreciate the impact that factory farms and animal food production has on the environment, specifically global warming, most groups and individuals have not embraced the idea of going vegan as an integral part of "going green". Below are some facts about the environmental impact of consuming animals to share with your green-leaning friends ... * A United Nations (U.N.) report revealed that raising animals for food generates more greenhouse gases than all the cars and trucks in the world combined. ALL THE CARS AND TRUCKS IN THE WORLD COMBINED!!!! WOW!!! * Factory farms in the US generate massive amounts of waste. A conservative figure is 3 trillion tons. A ton is 2000 pounds, which makes six quadrillion (6,000,000,000,000,000) lbs of waste produced by factory farms. (We just put this in so we could use the word quadrillion) * The US Environment Protection Agency identifies agricultural runof as the number one polluter of waterways. Runoff refers to waste, especially urine and feces. When the cesspools holding this waste fill up , factory farms sometimes circumvent water pollution regulations by spraying liquid manure into the air, creating mists that are carried away by the wind. (Makes one wonder what else they do?) * A vegan diet saves 1.3 million gallons of water per year - which is the same as running your shower 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. * The number one reason we cut down tree's, including the destruction of the Amazon Rainforest, is to clear land to grow food for farm animals. Going vegan saves one full acre of trees per year. That's millions of pieces of paper. We welcome you to send us your favorite stats or tidbits. We will publish a comprehensive list on our blog (coming soon to www.earthlings.com) Twitter Facebook _______________ Amazing letter from Naomi, a viewer - We love how she has become active in her home and community. Bravo!! "After viewing "Earthlings", my life has never been the same. I have gone vegan, joined an animal rights group, and make it my sole purpose to help animals whenever I can by starting conversations with other people about the plight of animals. I have given the "Earthlings" DVD to my friends and family as gifts in hopes that they will understand how animals suffer. This documentary has also changed my outlook not only on animals, but also towards humans and life itself. The movie "Earthlings" has changed me forever.." Do you have a story you want to share with us? We appreciate hearing from you. Email us! _______________ Support The Earthlings Team Donate during the month of May and receive a free gift as a token of our appreciation. 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Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe T | Privacy Policy. Email Marketing by Nation Earth LLC | 4000-D West Magnolia Blvd., Suite 260 | Burbank | CA | 91505 _____ HotmailR has a new way to see what's up with your friends. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/75636bea/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Wed May 6 11:46:26 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:46:26 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas In-Reply-To: <050620091315.11163.4A018D5F0008F91500002B9B22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <200905061104.n46B4rNn015201@nlpi053.prodigy.net> <050620091315.11163.4A018D5F0008F91500002B9B22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: Yes, Brian, thanks so much. I am going to try to make it to the one in Dallas. Are you planning on attending? If so, you have a place to stay at the Givin Lodge. We really missed you in Charlotte! My love to you and Joy Beth, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:15 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas Thanks Brian, I'll try to catch some of it. It's good to hear from you. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Brian : -------------- .Shalom friends, I have an announcement for all of our fellow ROT friends on ROF. Rabbi Chaim Richman will have four public speaking appearances this month in Texas. I assume he needs no introduction to this group. If he does, I will include several links to the more formal announcement. The specifics: Rabbi Chaim Richman, the International Director of the Temple Institute in Jerusalem, will be speaking at the following locations in Texas during May of 2009. Rabbi Richman is one of the best-known authorities in the world concerning the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, as well as Jewish outreach and Torah-teaching to both Jews and non-Jews. It is such a privilege to be able to learn with him and to help him in these matters. Mark your calendar. Find a way to attend. You won't want to miss it. http://universaltorah.com/programming/speaking-schedules/ May 12, 2009 - Tuesday evening, 7 pm In Austin, Texas - Location: Allen Baca Center, 301 West Bagdad Ave, Round Rock, Texas - right off intersection of I-35 and FM 620, take FM 620 exit, turn left on FM 620 about 3 blocks, on right side May 13, 2009 - Wednesday evening, 7 pm In the Dallas, TX area - Location is now TBD. Please call Andrea at 254-559-4096 or 903-736-0978 for location and time. 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I feel helpless, I don't know what to do aside from send as many encouraging words as I can think of to mum, and pray and pray to HaShem for his mercy.? Can I ask once again for your prayers?? I have never met a better bunch of brethren who have hearts for seeking HaShem than all of you who put so much time and effort into making our family united.? You have my heart and I long to meet you and be closer to you all - maybe next year in Jerusalem. ? Thank you so much, ? Please please pray for Dad ? Thank you again ? Catherine_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/0df725de/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 6 11:54:04 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:54:04 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Excellent insights, especially about the Jewish community in America Message-ID: <855590370905060954j253ddc8fv4a0388854c509d25@mail.gmail.com> *Mashtapim *by David Wilder The Jewish Community of Hebron May 5, 2009 The Obama pressure cooker is gearing up to full capacity. One of the first acts of the Obama regime has been formation of a broad coalition of forces, including American Jewish leaders, to pressure the State of Israel into abandoning and relinquishing land to the Arabs. Obama's early success can be exemplified by a headline in the daily Israeli newspaper, The Jerusalem Post, from May 4, 2009: AIPAC delegates to lobby for two-state solution. The article explains: "participants at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee Policy Conference will this week be urging their elected representatives to press President Barack Obama for precisely that. (a Palestinian state)? AIPAC thousands will be asking their congressmen to sign on to a letter addressed to Obama that explicitly posits the need for a "viable Palestinian state." Obama also successfully manipulated other Jews and even Israelis to participate in his anti-Israel coalition. Speaking at the same 2009 convention, former Israeli Foreign minister Tzippi Livni stated: " we need to maintain a Jewish majority in Israel. This is not a technical matter, it is a matter of our survival. And in the choice between giving up our values, the raison d'etre of Israel, and giving up part of the land - I choose the land. It is for this reason that I believe that embracing the vision of two states for two peoples - a vision that was recognized by the UN in 1947, and embraced by the United States - is not an Israeli concession but an Israeli interest. This is the only way to end the conflict." http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1239710853298&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFulland http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1239710853830&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Even recently elected Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, while publicly opposing a 'palestinian state' joined forces with Obama by appointing Prof. Michael Oren as the Israeli ambassador to the United State s. Oren was quoted in HaAretz newspaper as having said: "The only alternative for Israel to save itself as a Jewish state is by unilaterally withdrawing from the West Bank and evacuating most of the settlements." Oren also stated that the eviction of thousands of Jews from Gush Katif was not a mistake, despite the attacks on Israeli cities from the abandoned communities: "The mistake was Israel's failure to react to the Qassam fire, which sent a message of weakness to the entire Middle East." http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1080695.html Another Jew in a major leadership position, Obama's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, linked American efforts preventing Iran from fully developing nuclear weapons with Israeli concessions. "the ability to confront Iran will depend on the ability to make progress on the Palestinian front. Solving the conflict will make it possible to advance the handling of the main threat posed by Iran." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3710297,00.html Obama's national security advisor, Gen. James Jones, told a high ranking European diplomat that Obama will be "forceful" with Israel. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1083080.html Undoubtedly, the most damaging American special interest lobby dealing with Israel is AIPAC. Steve Grossman, AIPAC president in the early-middle 1990s, was quoted as saying "There were people in AIPAC who felt Oslo was a bad idea, but I'm still proud of the fact that the first American Jewish organization to support Rabin and Peres and the Oslo accords was AIPAC." http://www.tnr.com/story_print.html?id=175293ef-7f70-408b-a68a-ffffdb56d7bf In an article called "AIPAC Lobbying," AFSI president Herb Zweiban writes, "AIPAC President Steve Grossman has declared that he s upports sending $500- million in U.S. aid to the PLO, despite the PLO?s massive violations of the Oslo Accords. (JTA, Dec. 5, 1994) While other pro-Israel groups endorsed legislation to pressure the PLO (e.g. the Specter-Shelby Amendment), AIPAC worked behind the scenes to ?discourage congressional measures aimed at supervising administration grants to the PLO.? (Jerusalem Post, Nov. 10, 1994)" http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:mIzwd_2nsgIJ:www.afsi.org/OUTPOST/1995/Outpost_1995_09.pdf+AIPAC+%2B+supporting+Oslo+accords&cd=89&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=il A JTA article headlined, " AIPAC offers strong backing for withdrawal plan" says, "Sharon already has won the endorsement of an array of national Jewish groups...but AIPAC's endorsement is the plum." And further on, "We're very pleased that AIPAC has given its formal endorsement to the U.S. government's support for the disengagement initiative," said Debra DeLee, American for Peace Now's president." http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/050527/aipac.shtml In an article by Uriel Heilman, he writes, "AIPAC has been lobbying for strong US support for Israel's disengagement plan...." http://www.urielheilman.com/0522aipaccurtainraiser.html AIPAC initiated a letter, signed by US Congressman, showing support for the abandonment of Gush Katif. The AIPAC web site declares, "the letter recognizes the historic opportunity presented by Israeli disengagement from 25 settlements in Gaza, and advises President George W. Bush to press Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas for reciprocal peace efforts and democratic reforms inside the Palestinian Authority. http://www.aipac.org/Legislation_and_Policy/US_MiddleEast_Policy/default_1536.asp In an article by Beth Goodtree called AIPAC of lies, she writes that " Natan Sharansky begged to speak at the 2004 conference and was unceremoniously turned down because he wanted to warn that giving up Jewish land to a group of terrorists who had no intention of having a true democracy was a roadmap to disaster for Israel. " http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/5680.htm In the past AIPAC's 'official policy' was to toe the state line ? whatever the Israeli government favored was good enough for them. Those policies, such as Oslo and the expulsion from Gush Katif, ha ve cost thousands of Israeli lives. However presently, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is on record as opposing a 'two-state solution.' During his satellite-broadcast speech to the AIPAC convention yesterday, he did not mention the term 'palestinian state," rather he demanded that any negotiations be preceded by an official PA recognition that Israel is a 'Jewish State.' Yet AIPAC is actively lobbying in Congress, pressuring American representatives to support establishment of a palestinian state. In other words, AIPAC has began a new phase in its infamous dealings with Israel; rather than just backing State policy, they are now attempting to determine that policy and force it down Israel's throat. Anyone calling the AIPAC offices and asking whether AIPAC representatives are pushing Congress to support a 'palestinian state' are answered affirmatively. Clearly, AIPAC is fostering policies which are labeled in Hebrew, 'Mashtap' ? an abbreviation for 'mishatef peula', which means, in English, collaborating with the enemy. AIPAC is a large group of Jews, whose collective effort is focused on initiating and supporting policies which could lead to the destruction of the State of Israel. A Palestinian state is nothing less than a death trap, waiting to be sprung at a fateful moment in the future. However, this should not surprise us. This is not the first time Jews have connived with the enemy. The initials may remain the same, but the words have changed: *Americans Inciting for the Palestinian Authority Committee (AIPAC) aka the AJC (the American Judenrat Committee).* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Elisheva/Betty ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Factory Farming Flu - or H1N1 as the Pork Industry prefers to call it It is on every news channel, in all newspaper headlines and every magazine covers. People everywhere are talking about Swine Flu. 100 people have died, more are dying and many more are seriously ill.? Unfortunately, and predictably, not a whole lot? is being said about why we are dealing with it.? The truth is that Swine Flu, like its predecessors Mad Cow Disease, SARS and Bird Flu, is caused by human practices and the factory farming of animals. So while the networks and major newspapers are busy raising alarms and offering no solutions, we thought we would share with you a few reports on the root of the virus. ? CNN : Yes, you read it right, one CNN reporter (Jane Velez-Mitchell) had the guts to go against the stream and break the story.? (Bravo Jane!!) The Humane Society / CDC : This article found on the Humane Society's website includes information from many scientific sources, including The Centers For Disease Control,? and provides an in-depth view of where the virus came from and how it has emerged today. Change.org : A good article for those who resist information from activists . However, this article only recommends cutting meat consumption instead of avoidance. Rolling Stone : A little dated (from 2006) but a really good in-debth commentary? that foreshadows the problem we are now facing. Permaculture Research Institute : This blog post looks at the environmental and economic effect of a possible pandemic. _______________ ? Did you know ?? Animals and the Environment ? While there is some indication that environmental groups are staring to appreciate the? impact that factory farms and animal food production has on the environment, specifically global warming, most groups and individuals have not embraced the idea of going vegan as an integral part of "going green".? Below are some facts about the environmental impact of consuming animals to share with your green-leaning friends ... A United Nations (U.N.) report revealed that raising animals for food generates more greenhouse gases than all the cars and trucks in the world combined. ALL THE CARS AND TRUCKS IN THE WORLD COMBINED!!!! WOW!!! Factory farms in the US generate massive amounts of waste. A conservative figure is 3 trillion tons.? A ton is 2000 pounds, which makes six quadrillion (6,000,000,000,000,000) lbs of waste produced by factory farms.?? (We just put this in so we could use the word quadrillion) The US Environment Protection Agency identifies agricultural runof as the number one polluter of waterways. Runoff refers to waste, especially urine and feces.?When the cesspools holding this waste fill up , factory farms sometimes circumvent water pollution regulations by spraying liquid manure into the air, creating mists that are carried away by the wind.? (Makes one wonder what else they do?) A vegan diet saves 1.3 million gallons of water per year - which is the same as running your shower 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. ?The number one reason we cut down tree's, including the destruction of the Amazon Rainforest, is to clear land to grow food for farm animals.? Going vegan saves one full acre of trees per year.? That's millions of pieces of paper. ? We welcome you to send us your favorite stats or tidbits.? 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 11349 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/4574c3e1/attachment-0032.jpe From gets52000 at yahoo.com Wed May 6 12:07:19 2009 From: gets52000 at yahoo.com (susie getskow) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Excellent insights, especially about the Jewish community in America In-Reply-To: <855590370905060954j253ddc8fv4a0388854c509d25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <285839.65128.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Bill Koenig was with us last week and he was telling us what was going on in Washington. I was floored when he stated that Rahm was one who was pro Israel in the Obama administration. I pointed him to the article about Rahm being linked to the term Judeanrat. Susie --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Excellent insights, especially about the Jewish community in America To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 9:54 AM Mashtapim by David Wilder The Jewish Community of Hebron May 5, 2009 ? The Obama pressure cooker is gearing up to full capacity. One of the first acts of the Obama regime has been formation of a broad coalition of forces, including American Jewish leaders, to pressure the State of Israel into abandoning and relinquishing land to the Arabs. ? ?Obama's early success can be exemplified by a headline in the daily Israeli newspaper, The Jerusalem Post, from May 4, 2009: AIPAC delegates to lobby for two-state solution. The article explains: "participants at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee Policy Conference will this week be urging their elected representatives to press President Barack Obama for precisely that. (a Palestinian state)? AIPAC thousands will be asking their congressmen to sign on to a letter addressed to Obama that explicitly posits the need for a "viable Palestinian state." Obama also successfully manipulated other Jews and even Israelis to participate in his anti-Israel coalition. Speaking at the same 2009 convention, former Israeli Foreign minister Tzippi Livni stated: " we need to maintain a Jewish majority in Israel. This is not a technical matter, it is a matter of our survival. And in the choice between giving up our values, the raison d'etre of Israel, and giving up part of the land - I choose the land. It is for this reason that I believe that embracing the vision of two states for two peoples - a vision that was recognized by the UN in 1947, and embraced by the United States - is not an Israeli concession but an Israeli interest. This is the only way to end the conflict." http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1239710853298&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull and http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1239710853830&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Even recently elected Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, while publicly opposing a 'palestinian state' joined forces with Obama by appointing Prof. Michael Oren as the Israeli ambassador to the United State s. Oren was quoted in HaAretz newspaper as having said: "The only alternative for Israel to save itself as a Jewish state is by unilaterally withdrawing from the West Bank and evacuating most of the settlements." Oren also stated that the eviction of thousands of Jews from Gush Katif was not a mistake, despite the attacks on Israeli cities from the abandoned communities: "The mistake was Israel's failure to react to the Qassam fire, which sent a message of weakness to the entire Middle East." http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1080695.html ? Another Jew in a major leadership position, Obama's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, linked American efforts preventing Iran from fully developing nuclear weapons with Israeli concessions. "the ability to confront Iran will depend on the ability to make progress on the Palestinian front. Solving the conflict will make it possible to advance the handling of the main threat posed by Iran." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3710297,00.html ? Obama's national security advisor, Gen. James Jones, told a high ranking European diplomat that Obama will be "forceful" with Israel. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1083080.html ? Undoubtedly, the most damaging American special interest lobby dealing with Israel is AIPAC.? Steve Grossman, AIPAC president in the early-middle 1990s, was quoted as saying "There were people in AIPAC who felt Oslo was a bad idea, but I'm still proud of the fact that the first American Jewish organization to support Rabin and Peres and the Oslo accords was AIPAC." http://www.tnr.com/story_print.html?id=175293ef-7f70-408b-a68a-ffffdb56d7bf In an article called "AIPAC Lobbying," AFSI president Herb Zweiban writes, "AIPAC President Steve Grossman has declared that he s upports sending $500- million in U.S. aid to the PLO, despite the PLO?s massive violations of the Oslo Accords. (JTA, Dec. 5, 1994) While other pro-Israel groups endorsed legislation to pressure the PLO (e.g. the Specter-Shelby Amendment), AIPAC worked behind the scenes to ?discourage congressional measures aimed at supervising administration grants to the PLO.? (Jerusalem Post, Nov. 10, 1994)" http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:mIzwd_2nsgIJ:www.afsi.org/OUTPOST/1995/Outpost_1995_09.pdf+AIPAC+%2B+supporting+Oslo+accords&cd=89&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=il A JTA article headlined, " AIPAC offers strong backing for withdrawal plan" says, "Sharon already has won the endorsement of an array of national Jewish groups...but AIPAC's endorsement is the plum." And further on, "We're very pleased that AIPAC has given its formal endorsement to the U.S. government's support for the disengagement initiative," said Debra DeLee, American for Peace Now's president." http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/050527/aipac.shtml In an article by Uriel Heilman, he writes, "AIPAC has been lobbying for strong US support for Israel's disengagement plan...."? http://www.urielheilman.com/0522aipaccurtainraiser.html AIPAC initiated a letter, signed by US Congressman, showing support for the abandonment of Gush Katif. The AIPAC web site declares, "the letter recognizes the historic opportunity presented by Israeli disengagement from 25 settlements in Gaza, and advises President George W. Bush to press Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas for reciprocal peace efforts and democratic reforms inside the Palestinian Authority. http://www.aipac.org/Legislation_and_Policy/US_MiddleEast_Policy/default_1536.asp In an article by Beth Goodtree called AIPAC of lies, she writes that " Natan Sharansky begged to speak at the 2004 conference and was unceremoniously turned down because he wanted to warn that giving up Jewish land to a group of terrorists who had no intention of having a true democracy was a roadmap to disaster for Israel. " http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/5680.htm ? In the past AIPAC's 'official policy' was to toe the state line ? whatever the Israeli government favored was good enough for them. Those policies, such as Oslo and the expulsion from Gush Katif, ha ve cost thousands of Israeli lives. However presently, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is on record as opposing a 'two-state solution.' During his satellite-broadcast speech to the AIPAC convention yesterday, he did not mention the term 'palestinian state," rather he demanded that any negotiations be preceded by an official PA recognition that Israel is a 'Jewish State.' Yet AIPAC is actively lobbying in Congress, pressuring American representatives to support establishment of a palestinian state. ? In other words, AIPAC has began a new phase in its infamous dealings with Israel; rather than just backing State policy, they are now attempting to determine that policy and force it down Israel's throat. Anyone calling the AIPAC offices and asking whether AIPAC representatives are pushing Congress to support a 'palestinian state' are answered affirmatively. ? Clearly, AIPAC is fostering policies which are labeled in Hebrew, 'Mashtap' ? an abbreviation for 'mishatef peula', which means, in English, collaborating with the enemy. AIPAC is? a large group of Jews, whose collective effort is focused on initiating and supporting policies which could lead to the destruction of the State of Israel. A Palestinian state is nothing less than a death trap, waiting to be sprung at a fateful moment in the future. ? However, this should not surprise us. This is not the first time Jews have connived with the enemy. ? The initials may remain the same, but the words have changed: Americans Inciting for the Palestinian Authority Committee (AIPAC) aka the AJC (the American Judenrat Committee)._______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is all in their pocketbooks best interest for us to be in need of their services. This will be my first year of a big garden. I would love to be near you to learn much from you. Harvesting the seeds for next year could be my biggest challenge. The other day I tried looking for seeds on a Basil plant I had let go and couldn't even find the seeds! Hopefully not many will depend on me to keep them fed!! Susie --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Margie Creech wrote: From: Margie Creech Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:03 AM Susie, I'm with you! Anything that has to do with USDA control, which is our entire food supply, causes me to be suspicious.??I believe the rise in cancer and other diseases is directly related to?our food supply.?It has very little nutritional value and is toxic from the chemicals. ?I can remember the day when it was rare?for someone to have cancer.? Now it seems everyone is sick.? Call?me paranoid but I think there is a link?here.? I have?been farming organic for the last 5 years and every year my garden gets??bigger.??Of course, I spend most of the summer?out in the garden killing insects by hand.? I?know there are?things that are organic you can use but?I like being in the garden.??The birds do a pretty good job controlling many of them and so far they haven't eaten enough to cause much damage.?? I wish y'all were?close enough to share in?the bounty.? --- On Tue, 5/5/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:22 PM The very best way to know you are eating non GMO food is to grow it yourself by using heirloom seed. I am leary even of "organic" as of who has control over what is considered organic. At best if you buy organic make sure it states 100 percent organic as packaging requirements are tricky. There is much going on with the powers that be trying to control the food market. Much legislation under "The Food and Safety Act" that Monsanto is trying to control even organic growers. They would like to make it illegal for anyone to grow food without their control. Long ago King Neb tried to get the best of the young of Israel to eat his food. Assimilation of the Israelites into Babylon using food! Daniel and his mates refused. They were much stronger and healthier than those that did. Susie --- On Mon, 5/4/09, kim alvarado wrote: From: kim alvarado Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:05 PM Betty, Do you know any sources for non GMO food in Houston? ?The DFW area had a food co-op, but I haven't found an organic food co-op here. Kim On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Betty Eddy wrote: In reference to today's reading, genetically modified foods are a mixture. Not getting genetically modified foods is another story. If you are interested, http://www.responsibletechnology.org/ has some information. It seems that the only way to avoid GM foods is to eat everything organic, not always that easy. If any of you have any other sites, I would be interested. Betty Eddy _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In Rwanda, the Hutus taught that the Tutsis were cockroaches and snakes. Tutsi women were portrayed as cunning seductresses who used beauty and sexual power to conquer the Hutus. In Bosnia, a fictitious news report said Muslims were feeding Serb children to animals at the Sarajevo zoo. Radio Rwanda repeatedly broadcast a warning that Hutus were about to be attacked by Tutsis, to convince the Hutus that they needed to attack first to protect themselves. This demonization included two specific components. First, the victims had to be perceived as a clear and present threat, so that the killers were convinced they were acting in self-defense. Second, the victims were dehumanized, so that the killers convinced themselves that they were not destroying real human beings. A decent person will not join in a murder of innocents, but a decent person might join in the killing of a subhuman who is threatening his very existence. Framing genocide as self-defense can turn decent people into killers. Protection of children and family can turn a calm neighbor into a passionate murderer, because self-defense is always justified. In Darfur and Rwanda, all that was necessary to turn a society of ordinary people into killers was to convince them that they were in danger, and that the people endangering them were less than human. LOOKING BACK on Jewish history, it is clear that the method used to foment violence against Jews has always involved the same framing of "self-defense," with only the details changed. So when Jews were falsely accused of poisoning wells in the Middle Ages, causing thousands of deaths, even decent people joined in the killings. They did not perceive themselves as murderers because they were defending themselves and their families. When Jews were believed to be using blood of children for Passover matzot, even decent people felt comfortable massacring Jews, as they were defending their children from a horrific torture. Even Hitler used this argument of self-defense in Mein Kampf: "In this case [given the Jews' threat to the German people] the only salvation remaining was war, war with all the weapons the human spirit, reason, and will could muster... If the Jew... is victorious over the peoples of this world, then his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity... Thus I believe today that I am acting according to the will of the almighty creator: When I defend myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." Hitler, too, packaged his genocide as legitimate self-defense. The details may change in each society, but the framing is always the same. EXAMINING PALESTINIAN hate promotion today, it is especially striking and disconcerting that these components of the past genocides against Jews are prominent elements of the hate promotion of the Palestinian Authority and Hamas against Jews and Israelis. Two items on Hamas TV earlier this month clearly document this. Hamas TV broadcast a skit featuring actors playing a Jewish father and son, in traditional hassidic garb, discussing the hatred of Muslims their Jewish religion mandated. The father even revives the age-old libel that Jews drink the blood of Muslims: "Shimon, look, my son, I want to teach you a few things. You have to hate the Muslims... we want to kill the Muslims, we Jews want to drink the blood of Muslims." He later criticizes his son for washing his hands in water before prayer: "We have to wash our hands with the blood of Muslims" (Al-Aksa TV, April 3). Ironically, the Hamas accusation that Jews drink Muslim blood came the week before Passover, the anniversary of many horrific blood libels. That same day, a Hamas religious leader ended his sermon with the promise of eventual genocide of the Jews. But to frame it properly, he opened with a depiction of Jews as the enemies of humanity: The Jews are inherently evil, seek to rule the world and are a threat to Muslims and all of humanity. This is how Ziad Abu Alhaj framed it: "Hatred for Muhammad and Islam is in their [Jews'] souls, they are naturally disposed to it... Israel is a cancer that wants to rule the world." He concluded that the Jews are destined to be annihilated: "The time will come, by Allah's will, when their property will be destroyed and their children will be exterminated, and no Jew or Zionist will be left on the face of this earth" (Al-Aksa TV, April 3). THIS DEMONIZATION and dehumanization of Jews is not limited to Hamas. Although hesitant to call for explicit murdering of Jews while seeking Western money, the PA continues its unrelenting framing of genocide as self-defense and for the common good. In the PA-Fatah media today, Jews and Israelis are demonized through malicious libels, including such lies as the assertion that Israel intentionally spreads AIDS and drugs among Palestinians, conducts Nazi-like medical experiments on Palestinian prisoners and is planning to destroy the Aksa Mosque. Says the Palestinian chief religious justice, Tayseer al-Tamimi: "The AIDS issue needs to receive due attention... since we neighbor a society [Israel] where the disease is widespread and which acts to transmit [AIDS] to Palestinian society. The occupying authorities, especially in Jerusalem, are working to spread drugs and drug addiction, without a doubt" (PA radio, February 17, 2008). And this from Dr. Mutawakil Tahalk, head of the Palestinian Writers' Union and former PA deputy minister: "We saw how they [Zionists] stab bellies of pregnant women, slaughter infants and eat life in cold blood. They targeted children and the wombs of women so this people won't reproduce" (PATV, March 4, 2008). A July 2008 article in Al-Ayyam accused Israeli settlers of releasing rats in Jerusalem's Old City "to turn the [Arab] residents' life into a living hell, forcing then to leave..." (July 17, 2008). A PA TV video clip juxtaposes scenes of a real Israeli tank with fictitious scenes of a child actor being shot, creating the fiction that Israelis deliberately target and shoot Palestinian children (PATV, May 15, 2008). Just as the Tutsis were described as cockroaches and snakes, both Hamas and the PA have described Jews as loathsome and dangerous animals, including cockroaches, spiders, scorpions and alligators. While each libel is somewhat different, their essence is the same: The Israelis and the Jews are dangerous, they are not human, we need to defend ourselves from them and we are clearly justified in doing so. It is tragic that this framing of genocide as necessary self-defense has been so chillingly successful. A poll after last year's murders of eight teenage yeshiva students found that "84 percent of Palestinians support the terror attack killing eight young students in a Jerusalem yeshiva on March 6, 2008" (Poll by Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, The New York Times, March 19, 2008). How can an entire Palestinian society support the murder of children? Clearly, the framing of Jews and Israelis as mortally dangerous to Palestinians has been totally successful. Israel now faces a society that is very possibly past the stage of genocide framing and at the point of seeing the killing of Israelis, even teens, as justified. All that would be necessary for the population to go along with the final script, detailed so many times by its leaders, would be the means. The writer is director of Palestinian Media Watch. ============================================= Women For Israel's Tomorrow (Women in Green) POB 7352, Jerusalem 91072, Israel Tel: 972-2-624-9887 Fax: 972-2-624-5380 mailto:wfit2 at womeningreen.org http://www.womeningreen.org To subscribe to the Women in Green list, please send a blank email message to: list4-subscribe at womeningreen.org Check your spam filter for confirmation to reply to To unsubscribe from the Women in Green list, please send a blank email message to: list4-unsubscribe at womeningreen.org Big savings on Dell's most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! Reply Forward -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I believe they will soon do something that will cause such a panic that most will beg them to take total control of us and only the?One World Government will be able to bring about that "peace" they all scream. ?If?anyone dares to speak up they end?up dead or discredited.? All part of the times we live.??Fortunately I have the survival manual, Torah.? ?There I go sounding paranoid again. ? Margie --- On Wed, 5/6/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: Re: [Dialogue] FW: Factory Farming Flu To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 11:58 AM Unfortunately the current strain of swine flu is one strain swine, one strain human and one strain bird. This does not happen in nature it only happens in a labatory. Susie --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Betty Givin wrote: From: Betty Givin Subject: [Dialogue] FW: Factory Farming Flu To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 9:44 AM ? ? Received this just now and am passing it on ?not that all will go vegan, it does have some good info. In the back of my mind, I keep thinking of the charge that HaShem gave mankind to nurture and care for our planet?see what you think. ? Shalom ? Elisheva/Betty ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Factory Farming Flu - or H1N1 as the Pork Industry prefers to call it It is on every news channel, in all newspaper headlines and every magazine covers. People everywhere are talking about Swine Flu. 100 people have died, more are dying and many more are seriously ill.? Unfortunately, and predictably, not a whole lot? is being said about why we are dealing with it.? The truth is that Swine Flu, like its predecessors Mad Cow Disease, SARS and Bird Flu, is caused by human practices and the factory farming of animals. So while the networks and major newspapers are busy raising alarms and offering no solutions, we thought we would share with you a few reports on the root of the virus. ? CNN : Yes, you read it right, one CNN reporter (Jane Velez-Mitchell) had the guts to go against the stream and break the story.? (Bravo Jane!!) The Humane Society / CDC : This article found on the Humane Society's website includes information from many scientific sources, including The Centers For Disease Control,? and provides an in-depth view of where the virus came from and how it has emerged today. Change.org : A good article for those who resist information from activists . However, this article only recommends cutting meat consumption instead of avoidance. Rolling Stone : A little dated (from 2006) but a really good in-debth commentary? that foreshadows the problem we are now facing. Permaculture Research Institute : This blog post looks at the environmental and economic effect of a possible pandemic. _______________ ? Did you know ?? Animals and the Environment ? While there is some indication that environmental groups are staring to appreciate the? impact that factory farms and animal food production has on the environment, specifically global warming, most groups and individuals have not embraced the idea of going vegan as an integral part of "going green".? Below are some facts about the environmental impact of consuming animals to share with your green-leaning friends ... A United Nations (U.N.) report revealed that raising animals for food generates more greenhouse gases than all the cars and trucks in the world combined. ALL THE CARS AND TRUCKS IN THE WORLD COMBINED!!!! WOW!!! Factory farms in the US generate massive amounts of waste. A conservative figure is 3 trillion tons.? A ton is 2000 pounds, which makes six quadrillion (6,000,000,000,000,000) lbs of waste produced by factory farms.?? (We just put this in so we could use the word quadrillion) The US Environment Protection Agency identifies agricultural runof as the number one polluter of waterways. Runoff refers to waste, especially urine and feces.?When the cesspools holding this waste fill up , factory farms sometimes circumvent water pollution regulations by spraying liquid manure into the air, creating mists that are carried away by the wind.? (Makes one wonder what else they do?) A vegan diet saves 1.3 million gallons of water per year - which is the same as running your shower 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. ?The number one reason we cut down tree's, including the destruction of the Amazon Rainforest, is to clear land to grow food for farm animals.? Going vegan saves one full acre of trees per year.? That's millions of pieces of paper. ? We welcome you to send us your favorite stats or tidbits.? 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/aa7395bf/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Wed May 6 12:59:34 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 17:59:34 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] "Jesus the Pharisee" by Macoby In-Reply-To: <855590370905061046g7952199ta8ba5ba1c5a24745@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <050620091759.15947.4A01D006000848E000003E4B22230650029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Hey Hanoch, No I haven't yet but it's on my list. I did recently finish his book about Paul (the MythMaker). He made quite a few references to this Jesus the Pharisee there. While I don't agree with some of his conclusions it was a very good read. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" 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From: "Catherine Cashmore" Subject: [Dialogue] request for more prayers Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:32:53 +1000 Size: 7164 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/113be4de/attachment.eml From tposborne77 at yahoo.com Wed May 6 16:35:54 2009 From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] "Jesus the Pharisee" by Macoby In-Reply-To: <855590370905061046g7952199ta8ba5ba1c5a24745@mail.gmail.com> References: <855590370905061046g7952199ta8ba5ba1c5a24745@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <791705.27404.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Shalom Hanoch! I havn't read this one, but I read his book on "Paul: The Mythmaker", which I would rename as, "Hyam: The Mythmaker". Love & Prayers, Tracy ________________________________ From: Hanoch Young To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:46:36 PM Subject: [Dialogue] "Jesus the Pharisee" by Macoby Shalom L'Kulam, ????? I was wondering if anyone has read Hyam Macoby's "Jesus the Pharisee,"? and what you thought about it.? ????? Toda! ????????????????? Hanoch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/301edf54/attachment.html From tposborne77 at yahoo.com Wed May 6 16:58:28 2009 From: tposborne77 at yahoo.com (Tracy Osborne) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] "Jesus the Pharisee" by Macoby In-Reply-To: <050620091759.15947.4A01D006000848E000003E4B22230650029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <050620091759.15947.4A01D006000848E000003E4B22230650029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <497517.57187.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey Hanoch, There is another book called, "Jesus The Pharisee" by Rabbi Harvey Falk, that, to me, was most excellent. Have you read it? Tracy ________________________________ From: "carlson_john at bellsouth.net" To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:59:34 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] "Jesus the Pharisee" by Macoby Hey Hanoch, No I haven't yet but it's on my list.? I did recently finish his book about Paul (the MythMaker).? He made quite a few references to this?Jesus the Pharisee?there.? While I don't agree with some of his conclusions it was a very good read. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : -------------- Shalom L'Kulam, ????? I was wondering if anyone has read Hyam Macoby's "Jesus the Pharisee,"? and what you thought about it.? ????? Toda! ????????????????? Hanoch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/32fa3f59/attachment.html From dhcole1 at cox.net Wed May 6 20:17:38 2009 From: dhcole1 at cox.net (Dave Cole) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 20:17:38 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] mixed seeds References: <819214.18118.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0E1FCCC29A4A4E78913D2350DD5C54A9@davesbook> You beat me to this one Betty...yes to get "true" seeds you must use non hybrid plants to be able to reuse the fruit (seed). The seed if produced by a hybrid plant usually is sterile. Wouldn't it be great for all of us to have one big garden?....... I was working in a yard last week and a lady stopped and asked if I could go by an care for her elderly dads place since he was in the hospital and probably would not be back for a while.......long story short....I was there today and it was much overgrown.....but I could tell that at one time was well cared for. There were fruit trees with mature citris......In one over grown area I found an asparigus "clump" with many nice new spriggs....I had lunch!!!!!!! I wonder was Yeshua sterile? dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Eddy To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds If you used hybrid seeds, normally found in the stores, they won't produce fruit for the next harvest. Betty Eddy --- On Wed, 5/6/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 11:43 AM Margie, Much has been written lately about the connection between food and health especially cancer. The Makers Diet and Kevin Trudeau are two. I do not think it is paranoid to know that the medical profession, drug industry, FDA and food industry are all intertwined. There is huge huge money to be had. It is all in their pocketbooks best interest for us to be in need of their services. This will be my first year of a big garden. I would love to be near you to learn much from you. Harvesting the seeds for next year could be my biggest challenge. The other day I tried looking for seeds on a Basil plant I had let go and couldn't even find the seeds! Hopefully not many will depend on me to keep them fed!! Susie --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Margie Creech wrote: From: Margie Creech Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:03 AM Susie, I'm with you! Anything that has to do with USDA control, which is our entire food supply, causes me to be suspicious. I believe the rise in cancer and other diseases is directly related to our food supply. It has very little nutritional value and is toxic from the chemicals. I can remember the day when it was rare for someone to have cancer. Now it seems everyone is sick. Call me paranoid but I think there is a link here. I have been farming organic for the last 5 years and every year my garden gets bigger. Of course, I spend most of the summer out in the garden killing insects by hand. I know there are things that are organic you can use but I like being in the garden. The birds do a pretty good job controlling many of them and so far they haven't eaten enough to cause much damage. I wish y'all were close enough to share in the bounty. --- On Tue, 5/5/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:22 PM The very best way to know you are eating non GMO food is to grow it yourself by using heirloom seed. I am leary even of "organic" as of who has control over what is considered organic. At best if you buy organic make sure it states 100 percent organic as packaging requirements are tricky. There is much going on with the powers that be trying to control the food market. Much legislation under "The Food and Safety Act" that Monsanto is trying to control even organic growers. They would like to make it illegal for anyone to grow food without their control. Long ago King Neb tried to get the best of the young of Israel to eat his food. Assimilation of the Israelites into Babylon using food! Daniel and his mates refused. They were much stronger and healthier than those that did. Susie --- On Mon, 5/4/09, kim alvarado wrote: From: kim alvarado Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:05 PM Betty, Do you know any sources for non GMO food in Houston? The DFW area had a food co-op, but I haven't found an organic food co-op here. Kim On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Betty Eddy wrote: In reference to today's reading, genetically modified foods are a mixture. Not getting genetically modified foods is another story. If you are interested, http://www.responsibletechnology.org/ has some information. It seems that the only way to avoid GM foods is to eat everything organic, not always that easy. If any of you have any other sites, I would be interested. Betty Eddy _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/8ab38c97/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Wed May 6 21:12:05 2009 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:12:05 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] mixed seeds In-Reply-To: <0E1FCCC29A4A4E78913D2350DD5C54A9@davesbook> References: <819214.18118.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0E1FCCC29A4A4E78913D2350DD5C54A9@davesbook> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0905061912n2425bbdes690d4ec4afd029a7@mail.gmail.com> One day, I will be able to grow my own food, but for now I am limited to sprouting (which anyone can do) and just being a careful consumer. This info is helpful, it came from the Natureofyou.com site. *Some steps you can take to help steer clear of GMO foods! * *? Reduce or Eliminate Processed Foods*. Some 75 percent of processed foods contain GM ingredients. There are many reasons why processed foods are not optimal for your health -- for instance they often contain trans fat, acrylamide and little nutritional value -- so avoiding them will not only help you to cut back on the amount of GM foods you are consuming, but will also boost your health. *? Read Produce and Food Labels*. GM soybeans and corn make up the largest portion of genetically modified crops. When looking at a product label, if any ingredients such as corn flour and meal, dextrin, starch, soy sauce, margarine, and tofu (to name a few) are listed, there's a good chance it has come from GM corn or soy, unless it's listed as organic. *? **Buy Organic Produce*. Buying organic is currently the best way to ensure that your food has not been genetically modified. By definition, food that is certified organic must be free from all GM organisms, produced without artificial pesticides and fertilizers and from an animal reared without the routine use of antibiotics, growth promoters or other drugs. *? Look at Produce Stickers*. Those little stickers on fruit and vegetables contain different PLU codes depending on whether the fruit was conventionally grown, organically grown or genetically modified. The PLU code for conventionally grown fruit consists of four numbers, organically grown fruit has five numbers prefaced by the number nine, and GM fruit has five numbers prefaced by the number eight. Kim On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > You beat me to this one Betty...yes to get "true" seeds you must use non > hybrid plants to be able to reuse the fruit (seed). The seed *if*produced by a hybrid plant > *usually *is sterile. > > Wouldn't it be great for all of us to have one big garden?....... > > I was working in a yard last week and a lady stopped and asked if I could > go by an care for her elderly dads place since he was in the hospital and > probably would not be back for a while.......long story short....I was there > today and it was much overgrown.....but I could tell that at one time was > well cared for. There were fruit trees with mature citris......In one over > grown area I found an asparigus "clump" with many nice new spriggs....I had > lunch!!!!!!! > > I wonder was Yeshua sterile? > dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Betty Eddy > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:07 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds > > If you used hybrid seeds, normally found in the stores, they won't > produce fruit for the next harvest. > Betty Eddy > * > * > > > > --- On *Wed, 5/6/09, susie getskow * wrote: > > > From: susie getskow > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 11:43 AM > > Margie, > Much has been written lately about the connection between food and health > especially cancer. The Makers Diet and Kevin Trudeau are two. I do not think > it is paranoid to know that the medical profession, drug industry, FDA and > food industry are all intertwined. There is huge huge money to be had. It is > all in their pocketbooks best interest for us to be in need of their > services. > This will be my first year of a big garden. I would love to be near you to > learn much from you. Harvesting the seeds for next year could be my biggest > challenge. The other day I tried looking for seeds on a Basil plant I had > let go and couldn't even find the seeds! Hopefully not many will depend on > me to keep them fed!! > Susie > > --- On *Wed, 5/6/09, Margie Creech * wrote: > > From: Margie Creech > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:03 AM > > Susie, > I'm with you! Anything that has to do with USDA control, which is our > entire food supply, causes me to be suspicious. I believe the rise in > cancer and other diseases is directly related to our food supply. It has > very little nutritional value and is toxic from the chemicals. I can > remember the day when it was rare for someone to have cancer. Now it seems > everyone is sick. Call me paranoid but I think there is a link here. I > have been farming organic for the last 5 years and every year my garden > gets bigger. Of course, I spend most of the summer out in the garden > killing insects by hand. I know there are things that are organic you can > use but I like being in the garden. The birds do a pretty good job > controlling many of them and so far they haven't eaten enough to cause much > damage. I wish y'all were close enough to share in the bounty. > > --- On *Tue, 5/5/09, susie getskow * wrote: > > From: susie getskow > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:22 PM > > The very best way to know you are eating non GMO food is to grow it > yourself by using heirloom seed. I am leary even of "organic" as of who has > control over what is considered organic. At best if you buy organic make > sure it states 100 percent organic as packaging requirements are tricky. > There is much going on with the powers that be trying to control the food > market. Much legislation under "The Food and Safety Act" that Monsanto is > trying to control even organic growers. They would like to make it illegal > for anyone to grow food without their control. Long ago King Neb tried to > get the best of the young of Israel to eat his food. Assimilation of the > Israelites into Babylon using food! Daniel and his mates refused. They were > much stronger and healthier than those that did. > Susie > > --- On *Mon, 5/4/09, kim alvarado * wrote: > > From: kim alvarado > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:05 PM > > Betty, > Do you know any sources for non GMO food in Houston? The DFW area had a > food co-op, but I haven't found an organic food co-op here. > > Kim > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Betty Eddy > > wrote: > >> In reference to today's reading, genetically modified foods are a >> mixture. Not getting genetically modified foods is another story. If you are >> interested, http://www.responsibletechnology.org/ has some information. >> It seems that the only way to avoid GM foods is to eat everything organic, >> not always that easy. If any of you have any other sites, I would be >> interested. >> Betty Eddy >> ** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/8ba65728/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Wed May 6 21:16:13 2009 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:16:13 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] request for more prayers] In-Reply-To: <4A0200ED.1050702@westnet.com.au> References: <4A0200ED.1050702@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0905061916v3576240flbef76afc8928c366@mail.gmail.com> Catherine, Praying hard! Kim On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:28 PM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > *Shalom Catherine, > > my heartfelt prayers are with your father but also for your mother. > May HaShem hear our cry for mercy and decree a refuah shlema for your > father but may He also strengthen and comfort your mother. > May He also soothe and calm you with His loving touch. I pray that not only > he expedite your passport issues but expedite all other issues that need to > be sorted out for your return home. > > I hope to catch up with you later. > > Be strong for your mum. > All my love and support > JOE. > * > > Hi All, I know how kind you have already been with your words and > prayers, but I'm in a total panic again. Dad seemed to be getting a little > better, but today he took a turn for the worst and has been rushed back into > hospital with a high temperature. I still haven't got my passport back > which has been sent for renewal, and my hands are totally tied. I feel > helpless, I don't know what to do aside from send as many encouraging words > as I can think of to mum, and pray and pray to HaShem for his mercy. Can I > ask once again for your prayers? I have never met a better bunch of > brethren who have hearts for seeking HaShem than all of you who put so much > time and effort into making our family united. You have my heart and I long > to meet you and be closer to you all - maybe next year in Jerusalem. > > Thank you so much, > > Please please pray for Dad > > Thank you again > > Catherine > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/22866048/attachment.html From betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com Wed May 6 22:33:16 2009 From: betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com (Betty Eddy) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 20:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] mixed seeds Message-ID: <621768.92613.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Was he a hybrid? Maybe you could tell me. I have 2 orange trees. Am I supposed to wait 4 years to eat the fruit and am I supposed to let it drop to the ground for fertilizer? these were gifts for Mothers Day so I suppose they were hybrid trees. It looks like I am not supposed to eat any of the fruit even after 3 years. Anyone have an opinion on this? Betty Eddy --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Dave Cole wrote: From: Dave Cole Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 8:17 PM You beat me to this one Betty...yes to get "true" seeds you must use non hybrid plants to be able to reuse the?fruit (seed).? The seed if produced by a hybrid plant usually?is sterile.? ? Wouldn't it be great?for all?of us to have?one big garden?....... ? I was?working in a yard last week and a lady?stopped and asked if I could go by?an care for her elderly?dads place since he was in the hospital and probably would not be back for a while.......long story short....I was there today and?it was?much overgrown.....but I could tell?that at one time?was well cared for.? There were fruit trees with mature citris......In one over grown area I found an asparigus "clump" with many nice new spriggs....I had lunch!!!!!!!? ? I wonder?was Yeshua sterile?? dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Eddy To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds If you used hybrid seeds, normally found in the stores, they won't produce fruit for the next harvest. Betty Eddy --- On Wed, 5/6/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 11:43 AM Margie, Much has been written lately about the connection between food and health especially cancer. The Makers Diet and Kevin Trudeau are two. I do not think it is paranoid to know that the medical profession, drug industry, FDA and food industry are all intertwined. There is huge huge money to be had. It is all in their pocketbooks best interest for us to be in need of their services. This will be my first year of a big garden. I would love to be near you to learn much from you. Harvesting the seeds for next year could be my biggest challenge. The other day I tried looking for seeds on a Basil plant I had let go and couldn't even find the seeds! Hopefully not many will depend on me to keep them fed!! Susie --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Margie Creech wrote: From: Margie Creech Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:03 AM Susie, I'm with you! Anything that has to do with USDA control, which is our entire food supply, causes me to be suspicious.??I believe the rise in cancer and other diseases is directly related to?our food supply.?It has very little nutritional value and is toxic from the chemicals. ?I can remember the day when it was rare?for someone to have cancer.? Now it seems everyone is sick.? Call?me paranoid but I think there is a link?here.? I have?been farming organic for the last 5 years and every year my garden gets??bigger.??Of course, I spend most of the summer?out in the garden killing insects by hand.? I?know there are?things that are organic you can use but?I like being in the garden.??The birds do a pretty good job controlling many of them and so far they haven't eaten enough to cause much damage.?? I wish y'all were?close enough to share in?the bounty.? --- On Tue, 5/5/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:22 PM The very best way to know you are eating non GMO food is to grow it yourself by using heirloom seed. I am leary even of "organic" as of who has control over what is considered organic. At best if you buy organic make sure it states 100 percent organic as packaging requirements are tricky. There is much going on with the powers that be trying to control the food market. Much legislation under "The Food and Safety Act" that Monsanto is trying to control even organic growers. They would like to make it illegal for anyone to grow food without their control. Long ago King Neb tried to get the best of the young of Israel to eat his food. Assimilation of the Israelites into Babylon using food! Daniel and his mates refused. They were much stronger and healthier than those that did. Susie --- On Mon, 5/4/09, kim alvarado wrote: From: kim alvarado Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:05 PM Betty, Do you know any sources for non GMO food in Houston? ?The DFW area had a food co-op, but I haven't found an organic food co-op here. Kim On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Betty Eddy wrote: In reference to today's reading, genetically modified foods are a mixture. Not getting genetically modified foods is another story. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090506/33e287eb/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 6 23:20:00 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:20:00 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] "Jesus the Pharisee" by Macoby In-Reply-To: <497517.57187.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <050620091759.15947.4A01D006000848E000003E4B22230650029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> <497517.57187.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <855590370905062120k2c0db707j965ad5961206fab1@mail.gmail.com> Hi Tracy, I recently bought it, but haven't read it yet; hope to get to it by next week. Sounds like it will be a 'good read' - looking forward to it. Take care, *Hanoch * On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Tracy Osborne wrote: > Hey Hanoch, > There is another book called, "Jesus The Pharisee" by Rabbi Harvey Falk, > that, to me, was most excellent. Have you read it? > Tracy > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "carlson_john at bellsouth.net" > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:59:34 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] "Jesus the Pharisee" by Macoby > > Hey Hanoch, > > No I haven't yet but it's on my list. I did recently finish his book about > Paul (the MythMaker). He made quite a few references to this Jesus the > Pharisee there. While I don't agree with some of his conclusions it was a > very good read. > > -- > Eliron/John. > > "Be excellent to each other!" > Bill and Ted > > > -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : > -------------- > > Shalom L'Kulam, > > > I was wondering if anyone has read Hyam Macoby's "Jesus the > Pharisee," and what you thought about it. > > Toda! > > * Hanoch* > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/240178f1/attachment.html From dhcole1 at cox.net Thu May 7 01:00:42 2009 From: dhcole1 at cox.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:00:42 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] mixed seeds References: <621768.92613.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2A059346BD6943419B70453598AE7FC2@davesbook> One of the questions I get alot is...."I planted ______ trees and it is not making any fruit! What do I do?" (the answer is wait). Oddly enough it usually takes several years for a tree to "make fruit". In fact this is a good thing. I would not want to get into if we should eat hybrid oranges from our own trees! (I am not sure there is an orange that is not hybrid, in the true sense of the word.) Only if we were to want to try and grow our own trees from seed ,(the seeds are the issue), would you have a problem with not knowing what variety you would get. (Is this turning into a garden forum?) Here is a hint on the hybrid subject.....in nature varieties "cross" pollinate and develop into many certain characteristics. Man has developed this into a science that "uses" or controls these characteristics to his advantage.......that being good or bad....... Back to your orange trees....how old are they now? One or two, maybe more, years old? When I get to "the land", I would plan on planting some trees for food......I am pretty sure I would not get any fruit until several years later. And If these trees did set/make fruit, I would most probably not let the fruit mature to allow my trees to get more established, so later my trees would provide me (or somebody after me) with years of healthy fruit trees. Do you see where I am going with this? The One that created us knows how this stuff works....our job is to "get it" and do what is right, then all will be good! As to the Sterility of a certain Jewish Man.....I would assume that he could! How else are we going to change the desert into an oasis? dave dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Eddy To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds Was he a hybrid? Maybe you could tell me. I have 2 orange trees. Am I supposed to wait 4 years to eat the fruit and am I supposed to let it drop to the ground for fertilizer? these were gifts for Mothers Day so I suppose they were hybrid trees. It looks like I am not supposed to eat any of the fruit even after 3 years. Anyone have an opinion on this? Betty Eddy --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Dave Cole wrote: From: Dave Cole Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 8:17 PM You beat me to this one Betty...yes to get "true" seeds you must use non hybrid plants to be able to reuse the fruit (seed). The seed if produced by a hybrid plant usually is sterile. Wouldn't it be great for all of us to have one big garden?....... I was working in a yard last week and a lady stopped and asked if I could go by an care for her elderly dads place since he was in the hospital and probably would not be back for a while.......long story short....I was there today and it was much overgrown.....but I could tell that at one time was well cared for. There were fruit trees with mature citris......In one over grown area I found an asparigus "clump" with many nice new spriggs....I had lunch!!!!!!! I wonder was Yeshua sterile? dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Eddy To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds If you used hybrid seeds, normally found in the stores, they won't produce fruit for the next harvest. Betty Eddy --- On Wed, 5/6/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 11:43 AM Margie, Much has been written lately about the connection between food and health especially cancer. The Makers Diet and Kevin Trudeau are two. I do not think it is paranoid to know that the medical profession, drug industry, FDA and food industry are all intertwined. There is huge huge money to be had. It is all in their pocketbooks best interest for us to be in need of their services. This will be my first year of a big garden. I would love to be near you to learn much from you. Harvesting the seeds for next year could be my biggest challenge. The other day I tried looking for seeds on a Basil plant I had let go and couldn't even find the seeds! Hopefully not many will depend on me to keep them fed!! Susie --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Margie Creech wrote: From: Margie Creech Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:03 AM Susie, I'm with you! Anything that has to do with USDA control, which is our entire food supply, causes me to be suspicious. I believe the rise in cancer and other diseases is directly related to our food supply. It has very little nutritional value and is toxic from the chemicals. I can remember the day when it was rare for someone to have cancer. Now it seems everyone is sick. Call me paranoid but I think there is a link here. I have been farming organic for the last 5 years and every year my garden gets bigger. Of course, I spend most of the summer out in the garden killing insects by hand. I know there are things that are organic you can use but I like being in the garden. The birds do a pretty good job controlling many of them and so far they haven't eaten enough to cause much damage. I wish y'all were close enough to share in the bounty. --- On Tue, 5/5/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:22 PM The very best way to know you are eating non GMO food is to grow it yourself by using heirloom seed. I am leary even of "organic" as of who has control over what is considered organic. At best if you buy organic make sure it states 100 percent organic as packaging requirements are tricky. There is much going on with the powers that be trying to control the food market. Much legislation under "The Food and Safety Act" that Monsanto is trying to control even organic growers. They would like to make it illegal for anyone to grow food without their control. Long ago King Neb tried to get the best of the young of Israel to eat his food. Assimilation of the Israelites into Babylon using food! Daniel and his mates refused. They were much stronger and healthier than those that did. Susie --- On Mon, 5/4/09, kim alvarado wrote: From: kim alvarado Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:05 PM Betty, Do you know any sources for non GMO food in Houston? The DFW area had a food co-op, but I haven't found an organic food co-op here. Kim On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Betty Eddy wrote: In reference to today's reading, genetically modified foods are a mixture. Not getting genetically modified foods is another story. If you are interested, http://www.responsibletechnology.org/ has some information. It seems that the only way to avoid GM foods is to eat everything organic, not always that easy. If any of you have any other sites, I would be interested. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/1c863bbb/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Thu May 7 06:02:12 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 06:02:12 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Mosche Feiglin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A02BFB4.1040901@gninc.ca> *FF fff FFff *I found this article quite deep Cornie From the desk of Moshe Feiglin: In PM Netanyahu's video message to the AIPAC convention in Washington, he emphasized that during the negotiations with the "Palestinians," Israel will once again raise the issue of recognition of the State of Israel as the Jewish state. Whatever Netanyahu's reasons for making that statement, and despite the fact that he already retreated from his condition for recognition before the start of negotiations, the fact that the PM repeatedly raises the issue is important. We hope that above and beyond any negotiation strategy, the PM and his advisors understand the critical intersection at which we find ourselves. In the wake of the Oslo process, Israel has essentially lost its legitimacy and the justification for its existence as a Jewish state. Negotiations will begin with Israel recognizing the legitimacy of the "Palestinian" state, but the "Palestinians" not recognizing the legitimacy of a Jewish state. And the "Palestinians" are not alone. Obama has already declared that Netanyahu's opening demand for recognition of Israel as a Jewish state is not reasonable (and Netanyahu beat a hurried retreat). Europe and the Third World countries have naturally followed suit. Israel's Left claims that Netanyahu's demand is unnecessary. But that is typical. The Left never wanted a Jewish state in Israel in the first place. Anybody who still has a drop of nationalism in his bones understands that retreat from the basic principle on which our state was founded - the return of the Nation of Israel to history as a sovereign in its ancient homeland - paves the way for the destruction of Israel - whether through peace or through war. " I believe that with the cooperation of President Obama and President Abbas, we can defy the skeptics," said Netanyahu in his videotaped speech to the AIPAC assembly. Netanyahu did not say Chairman of the Palestinian Authority Abbas. He said President Abbas. Those who still think that the Prime Minister elected with the votes of the national camp is planning to protect Israel from the dangers of a Palestinian state should note that Netanyahu's English is nearly perfect. He called him "President" - and essentially established a "Palestinian" state. There is no reason to remind Netanyahu of the speeches that he made not that long ago enumerating the dangers of a Palestinian state. His actions throughout the election campaign and ever since have shown that he has no intention of ruling Israel. All that he wanted was to get the rightist voters to put him in the prime ministerial chair and then to ensure his position by selling actual control of Israel to the Left. Sad to say, Prime Minister Netanyahu is a pitiful puppet of Peres and his cohorts. The reality unfolding before our eyes is all too reminiscent of the horror films of the Sharon days and even the days of Shamir and Begin. The Likud is in power, it destroys settlements, the Left sings the PM's praises and the only effective political opposition is within the Likud. It is crystal clear that the small right wing parties do not concern Netanyahu, just as they did not concern Sharon. The only place that it is possible to stop him is within his own party. Remember where the real political battles before the Expulsion took place. Where did Sharon sweat? When he had to face off against the Likud "rebels" and the Likud referendum? Or when he heard the toothless speeches of the NRP and National Union? We have now come full circle - back to Manhigut Yehudit and the Likud Central Committee. If you have read up till here and have not yet registered for the Likud, you can go to one thousand demonstrations and protest marches with the clear knowledge that you have ignored the one fundamental, relevant political act that can possibly reverse the situation. Soon, the debates on refusal to obey orders will start again. We will talk ourselves blue in the face about blocking traffic, our approach toward the IDF, to the rabbis and to the Yesha leadership. All the miserable memories of the Expulsion will become reality once again - this time on a larger scale. Will we have the political intelligence this time to carry out the one simple political act that can change the current course of events? In the previous elections, large numbers of Judea and Samaria residents voted Likud. This means that our numbers in the Likud Central Committee will significantly grow. (The Judea and Samaria votes for Likud instead of National Union or NRP did not change the political configuration. Both the National Union and NRP endorsed Netanyahu as their candidate of choice for PM. What the vote for Likud did accomplish was to strengthen our position on the internal Likud arena). Mass registration for the Likud now will give the Likud MKs loyal to the Land of Israel the political power they need to face off against Netanyahu and to save our Land and our state. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Somewhere beneath the desolate sands of Gush Katif, between the twisted metal and chunks of cement that used to be flourishing settlements, the human rights that Israeli democracy granted its citizens have been laid to rest. In any type of regime in which "one manner of law under G-d" is the law of the land - even if it is not a democracy - the crime of Expulsion could not have been perpetrated. On the other hand, any democracy that does not meet these basic standards will necessarily metamorphose into a cynical, manipulative regime that serves a strong elite and enslaves all the rest. The authentic Jewish state that we are striving to build must live up to the Torah directive of a justice system that judges everybody according to the same standards. With G-d's help, that day will be soon! Shabbat Shalom, /Moshe Feiglin/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This long history of crusades, inquisitions and pogroms has been abruptly erased by those who pretend to represent the Jewish Nation. It has been replaced by groveling obsequiousness toward the Pope and the religion that he represents. The swastika also developed from the cross and without the anti-Jewish foundation that Christianity developed, the Holocaust of European Jewry could not have happened. Surrender of any part of the sovereign State of Israel is defined by law as treason and is punishable by death. Today, the retribution for this treason is a comfortable job as president of Israel. Just like a sheep that licks the blood off the knife that just slit the throat of the sheep before it, Israel's current leaders self-effacingly bow to even the most audacious of the Pope's demands. There is a direct link between this obsequiousness and the fact that the present-day descendants of the inquisitors in Spain allow themselves to charge the descendants of their victims - high-ranking officers in the IDF - with "war crimes." The brazen ultimatum that the Pope attempted to present to the Israeli government would not have seen the light of day if the "Holy See" had not sensed Israel's leaders' loss of pride. > > > /"You shall have one manner of law for the stranger and the citizen > because I am G-d, your G-d." /(From this week's Torah portion, Emor, > Leviticus 24:22) > > One manner of law and fear of Heaven are the only guarantees for > personal liberties. Somewhere beneath the desolate sands of Gush > Katif, between the twisted metal and chunks of cement that used to be > flourishing settlements, the human rights that Israeli democracy > granted its citizens have been laid to rest. In any type of regime in > which "one manner of law under G-d" is the law of the land - even if > it is not a democracy - the crime of Expulsion could not have been > perpetrated. On the other hand, any democracy that does not meet these > basic standards will necessarily metamorphose into a cynical, > manipulative regime that serves a strong elite and enslaves all the rest. > > The authentic Jewish state that we are striving to build must live up > to the Torah directive of a justice system that judges everybody > according to the same standards. With G-d's help, that day will be soon! > > Shabbat Shalom, > > /Moshe Feiglin/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Betty that was such a powerful touching experience you told us about - what a special moment. With heart and soul I thank you for sharing it - it helps somewhere deep down where I'm often afraid to go . You all mean so very much to me - I long to reach out and let you know how grateful I am, I can't tell you how I long to meet you all. This is what Mum wrote yesterday to me that made me just cry inside; "Believe me Catherine, all this does test your faith. It's not that I don't believe because I do but when you cannot see any improvement you get despairing and I am afraid weakness kicks in. Not being able to mix with people makes it more difficult and how can you explain to people that it is vital that he doesn't pick up any infections, they just do not understand. I dread Lisa or I passing anything on to him. If people phone - although not many have - I can hear in their voices that they think nothing can be done and then that makes me angry because it is seems almost an admission that they don't think that praying to God will help, even though they say their prayers are with us. I suppose I am saying all this because I feel tired, angry and unhappy and yet I so want to have faith that God hears our prayers and does help us. I know he has from so many instances in the past. I feel a bit low at the moment because I am tired and worried and when Lisa is away I am lonely. Life seems to have come to rather a nasty standstill, the weeks are rushing by and I hardly notice them." (Lisa is my sister) I sent a text message this morning (their evening time) to ask how he was today, and they messaged back that he was feeling brighter which I felt so relieved about. They also said they were exhausted, and so far today I haven't had any more e mails or messages from home - I imagine mum is at the hospital. I'll keep you all informed. Thank you so much, Much love and hope, Catherine X -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/b2a71291/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Thu May 7 06:53:15 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:53:15 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Seeking advice Message-ID: I am working with a Jewish man - surname Cohen. He is a wonderful guy - he attended a strict orthodox school as a boy, but now has lost much of his faith in HaShem. We had a conversation tonight about his beliefs, and why he has moved away from his orthodox background (although his children attend Jewish School). I'm sure many of you must have come across his argument for not believing often, and I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on how to answer him. He can't get past the Holocaust - how/why did it happen - why did HaShem allow it. I've used scriptural references, and talked about the Hope of Israel, but even with all of that it's hard to get past the deep feelings he has. I was wondering if anyone had any advice on this. I'd love to be able to assist him to come closer to HaShem, and I feel terribly un educated to do so. C xx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/abcf5624/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Thu May 7 06:54:38 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:54:38 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever Message-ID: Cornie - You got your job back! This is wonderful news! 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/8948104c/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Thu May 7 07:29:19 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 07:29:19 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A02D41F.2060703@gninc.ca> Catherine it is good news, although for my old bones it is a challenge. What amazes me is that I heard there was a whole stack of job applications in this company, and of all the 25 earlier laid off with me together, only three were hired back so far. Maybe only for a few month though. But emuna is the answer. Catherine, i am praying for you and your situation. I can only see the beauty of trials you have to face as blessings in disguise, in the end. How would you, a total stranger to me just so recently, be at all concerned about my welfare, if you had not had some real difficult trials in that line yourself? Or for that matter in other matters as well. This is where I see more and more that the love of G-d toward us, often comes to us in a hidden way, via trials. Does that make sense? May you feel His presence right in the midst of any trial you face, also concerning your parents. Hashem has good in store for anyone who can face trials in real emuna. I understand the meaning of "emuna" is ten times stronger then what at least I have in the past understood faith to mean. Thank you for thinking of me, and may Hashem bless you. Cornie Catherine Cashmore wrote: > Cornie - You got your job back! This is wonderful news! Best news > I've heard all day. Praise HaShem! He is so good. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the back of my mind, I keep thinking of the > charge that HaShem gave mankind to nurture and care for our planet?see what > you think. > > > > Shalom > > > > Elisheva/Betty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [image: EL home page pic] > > > > *Factory Farming Flu - or H1N1 as the Pork Industry prefers to call it * > > It is on every news channel, in all newspaper headlines and every magazine > covers. People everywhere are talking about Swine Flu. 100 people have died, > more are dying and many more are seriously ill. > > Unfortunately, and predictably, not a whole lot is being said about why we > are dealing with it. The truth is that Swine Flu, like its predecessors Mad > Cow Disease, SARS and Bird Flu, is caused by human practices and the factory > farming of animals. So while the networks and major newspapers are busy > raising alarms and offering no solutions, we thought we would share with you > a few reports on the root of the virus. > > > > - CNN: Yes, you read it right, one CNN reporter (Jane Velez-Mitchell) had the > guts to go against the stream and break the story. (Bravo Jane!!) > > > - The Humane Society / CDC > : > This article found on the Humane Society's website includes information from > many scientific sources, including The Centers For Disease Control, and > provides an in-depth view of where the virus came from and how it has > emerged today. > > > - Change.org: A good article for those who resist information from activists . However, > this article only recommends cutting meat consumption instead of avoidance. > > > - Rolling Stone: A little dated (from 2006) but a really good in-debth commentary that > foreshadows the problem we are now facing. > > > - Permaculture Research Institute: This blog post looks at the environmental and economic effect of a > possible pandemic. > > > > _______________ > > > > *Did you know ?? > > Animals and the Environment*** > > > > While there is some indication that environmental groups are staring to > appreciate the impact that factory farms and animal food production has on > the environment, specifically global warming, most groups and individuals > have not embraced the idea of going vegan as an integral part of "going > green". Below are some facts about the environmental impact of consuming > animals to share with your green-leaning friends ... > > - A United Nations (U.N.) report revealed that raising animals for food > generates more greenhouse gases than all the cars and trucks in the world > combined. ALL THE CARS AND TRUCKS IN THE WORLD COMBINED!!!! WOW!!! > > > - Factory farms in the US generate massive amounts of waste. A > conservative figure is 3 trillion tons. A ton is 2000 pounds, which makes > six quadrillion (6,000,000,000,000,000) lbs of waste produced by factory > farms. (We just put this in so we could use the word quadrillion) > > > - The US Environment Protection Agency identifies agricultural runof as > the number one polluter of waterways. Runoff refers to waste, especially > urine and feces. When the cesspools holding this waste fill up , factory > farms sometimes circumvent water pollution regulations by spraying liquid > manure into the air, creating mists that are carried away by the wind. > (Makes one wonder what else they do?) > > > - A vegan diet saves 1.3 million gallons of water per year - which is > the same as running your shower 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a > year. > > > - The number one reason we cut down tree's, including the destruction > of the Amazon Rainforest, is to clear land to grow food for farm animals. > Going vegan saves one full acre of trees per year. That's millions of > pieces of paper. > > > > We welcome you to send us your favorite stats or tidbits. We will publish > a comprehensive list on our blog (coming soon to www.earthlings.com > ) > > > > [image: Twitter] > [image: Facebook] > > > > _______________ > > > > > > > *Amazing letter from Naomi, a viewer - We love how she has become active > in her home and community. Bravo!!* > > > > "After viewing "Earthlings", my life has never been the same. I have gone > vegan, joined an animal rights group, and make it my sole purpose to help > animals whenever I can by starting conversations with other people about the > plight of animals. I have given the "Earthlings" DVD to my friends and > family as gifts in hopes that they will understand how animals suffer. This > documentary has also changed my outlook not only on animals, but also > towards humans and life itself. The movie "Earthlings" has changed me > forever.." > > > Do you have a story you want to share with us? 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I think when my mind couldn't comprehend, my heart could, and I think his heart will (even does) too. That's probably why he is talking to you about it. My prayer is that he is touched by HaShem in his deepest parts and that he will reunite with the faith of his Fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It would be good, if he hasn't done so already, that he talk to the Orthodox Rabbi about what he is feeling. Am also wondering if there is a Chabad Rabbi near. They are also wonderful counselors, and can speak to him from a common perspective about the unspeakably vile tragedy of the Holocaust. Another Rabbi of deep compassion is Rabbi Avraham Greenbaum in Jerusalem at www.azamra.org He could write to Reb Avraham and tell him all that is in his heart, and I am sure he would be so very blessed by such a communication with this deeply spiritual and loving man. Other Rabbis full of wisdom and compassion that he could talk to are Rabbi Tovia Singer at www.outreachjudaism.org, and of course, Rabbi Lazer Brody. These are just a few of the Rabbis for whom I have such great respect. There are, of course, so many more. Much love to you and your family, Avigail/Pat From: Catherine Cashmore Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:52 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Thank you You are all wonderful, and I love you all dearly. The words of support you have written I've also sent to Mum - I know they will help her. Betty that was such a powerful touching experience you told us about - what a special moment. With heart and soul I thank you for sharing it - it helps somewhere deep down where I'm often afraid to go . You all mean so very much to me - I long to reach out and let you know how grateful I am, I can't tell you how I long to meet you all. This is what Mum wrote yesterday to me that made me just cry inside; "Believe me Catherine, all this does test your faith. It's not that I don't believe because I do but when you cannot see any improvement you get despairing and I am afraid weakness kicks in. Not being able to mix with people makes it more difficult and how can you explain to people that it is vital that he doesn't pick up any infections, they just do not understand. I dread Lisa or I passing anything on to him. If people phone - although not many have - I can hear in their voices that they think nothing can be done and then that makes me angry because it is seems almost an admission that they don't think that praying to God will help, even though they say their prayers are with us. I suppose I am saying all this because I feel tired, angry and unhappy and yet I so want to have faith that God hears our prayers and does help us. I know he has from so many instances in the past. I feel a bit low at the moment because I am tired and worried and when Lisa is away I am lonely. Life seems to have come to rather a nasty standstill, the weeks are rushing by and I hardly notice them." (Lisa is my sister) I sent a text message this morning (their evening time) to ask how he was today, and they messaged back that he was feeling brighter which I felt so relieved about. They also said they were exhausted, and so far today I haven't had any more e mails or messages from home - I imagine mum is at the hospital. I'll keep you all informed. Thank you so much, Much love and hope, Catherine X -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Scroll down for details on how to find the videos. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Cole To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: [Dialogue] conference speakers The Presentations by James and Hanoch are posted for viewing. http://rootsoffaith.org/blog-and-podcasts/streaming-video/ on the viewer that opens from this link there is a small box that is labeled "on demand" this will bring you to a menu that allows you to choose which speaker you want to open. It is posted on the Roots of Faith network. The less direct route is to go to this website www.rootsoffaith.net (you don't have to join up to check it out.....but we would love to see you there!!) From this site you can then click on the tab "webcast". Chose "live video".... When the video player opens you will be viewing a recorded session. THEN on the video player itself, at the bottom, there are two choices, 1. "on air" or 2. "on demand". choose "on demand" and then you will see two choices "Sunday shul" or UIWU. click on UIWU and you will then see two choices, James or Hanoch. Soon there will be more others to view. Soon there will be downloadable sessions of the conference along with audio mp3 files for you to down load. enjoy! dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/991fa16e/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Thu May 7 11:03:52 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:03:52 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Live on Tovia Singer Show Tonight Message-ID: <63E6EA04-430D-46D4-A324-62176D0C28FB@earthlink.net> I will be a live guest on Tovia Singer's Show today broadcast on Arutz Sheva/Israel National Radio. Tovia's show runs from 10-12midnight Israel time, which is 3-5pm EST in the USA. We will be talking about the Pope's visit to Israel and Vatican claim on the holy places on Mt Zion, as well as my work on the historical Jesus and my latest book, Restoring Abrahamic Faith. Here is the Internet link: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/ James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/9fb19c28/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Thu May 7 11:18:54 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:18:54 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] [UILIST] P.S. on Live on Tovia Singer Show Today @ 4pm Message-ID: <237D2E52-CD1B-4DB8-9744-3691EEAF3405@earthlink.net> My segment is scheduled for 4pm EST. It is archived then for a week in case you can not tune in live. James ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I will be a live guest on Tovia Singer's Show today broadcast on Arutz Sheva/Israel National Radio. Tovia's show runs from 10-12midnight Israel time, which is 3-5pm EST in the USA. We will be talking about the Pope's visit to Israel and Vatican claim on the holy places on Mt Zion, as well as my work on the historical Jesus and my latest book, Restoring Abrahamic Faith. Here is the Internet link: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/ James _______________________________________________ UILIST mailing list UILIST at unitedisrael.org **** This is a private list. **** Do not forward or publish the messages from this list **** without permission from the person who wrote it. **** Visit www.unitedisrael.org * ************************************************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/9217cf4d/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Thu May 7 12:41:34 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:41:34 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] from Laser Beams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A031D4E.8030906@gninc.ca> How true, isn't it? Cornie *"Lazer Beams " - 2 new articles* 1. Servitude as Freedom 2. The Echo 3. More Recent Articles 4. Search Lazer Beams *Servitude as Freedom * Freedom from physical bondage is only bottom-level freedom. Freedom from bodily urges, such as substance dependancy and extramarital sex, is higher level freedom; alcohol, drugs, tobacco, and lust incarcerate a person worse than a state pentitentiary. Highest level freedom is freedom of the mind, when a person breaks the ball-and-chain servitude to conformity. One reaches the pinnacle of freedom when mobilizing his or her entire mental and physical resources in the service of The Creator. A servant of G-d is a master of body and soul. . Email to a friend . Article Search . Related . [Listen to this article] . [Rate 'Servitude as Freedom'] *The Echo * There's this strange echo going around. No matter what direction we turn to, we hear, "Two-state solution, two-state solution, two-state..." The source of the echo is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, DC. It then resounded off of Hillary Clinton, reverberated in Rahmy boy's hyperactive mouth, then bounced off Joe Biden's vocal chords. It's now echoing from Miss Merkel in Germany and spreading all over Europe and Asia. The echo will be gaining momentum and volume, and will soon surround Israel from all sides. Even Israelis (the ones that don't believe in their right to their own homeland) will be yelling, "Two-state solution, two-state solution, two-state..." I pray that Bibi will be able to withstand the pressure, but predict that he won't. This is all for the best. On July 24, 2008, we wrote here on the Beams in The Rise of Mister V , "Here's a Geula prediction: Mister V will negotiate (and be buddies) with Iran, Syria, and everyone else, and Israel will stand alone with no one to turn to but Hashem. I like Mister V because I'm looking forward to that day. Wait and see how emuna will win and reign." Many people gave me a lot of flak for that post, but it's all comin' down just like we said it would. A lot of well-meaning Orthodox rabbis ran to the AIPAC convention in DC earlier this week. It's hard to believe how they could be so naive; AIPAC participation must mean here (I'm still in the USA for 5 more days) that they're cool and influential. Yet, AIPAC is turning into a rubber stamp for the Administration, and if G-d forbid an evil decree comes down moving more Jews in Israel off their land, then history will view the rabbis of AIPAC as the 21st century Judenrat. What a fumble in American Judaism's end zone. 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James ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I will be a live guest on Tovia Singer's Show today broadcast on Arutz Sheva/Israel National Radio. Tovia's show runs from 10-12midnight Israel time, which is 3-5pm EST in the USA. We will be talking about the Pope's visit to Israel and Vatican claim on the holy places on Mt Zion, as well as my work on the historical Jesus and my latest book, Restoring Abrahamic Faith. Here is the Internet link: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/ James _______________________________________________ UILIST mailing list UILIST at unitedisrael.org **** This is a private list. **** Do not forward or publish the messages from this list **** without permission from the person who wrote it. **** Visit www.unitedisrael.org * ************************************************ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This week I Hope to have all sessions posted that allows one to download. Scroll down for details on how to find the videos. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Cole To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: [Dialogue] conference speakers The Presentations by James and Hanoch are posted for viewing. http://rootsoffaith.org/blog-and-podcasts/streaming-video/ on the viewer that opens from this link there is a small box that is labeled "on demand" this will bring you to a menu that allows you to choose which speaker you want to open. It is posted on the Roots of Faith network. The less direct route is to go to this website www.rootsoffaith.net (you don't have to join up to check it out.....but we would love to see you there!!) >From this site you can then click on the tab "webcast". Chose "live video".... When the video player opens you will be viewing a recorded session. THEN on the video player itself, at the bottom, there are two choices, 1. "on air" or 2. "on demand". choose "on demand" and then you will see two choices "Sunday shul" or UIWU. click on UIWU and you will then see two choices, James or Hanoch. Soon there will be more others to view. Soon there will be downloadable sessions of the conference along with audio mp3 files for you to down load. enjoy! dave _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tovia's show runs from 10-12midnight Israel time, which is 3-5pm EST in the USA. We will be talking about the Pope's visit to Israel and Vatican claim on the holy places on Mt Zion, as well as my work on the historical Jesus and my latest book, Restoring Abrahamic Faith. Here is the Internet link: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/ James _______________________________________________ UILIST mailing list UILIST at unitedisrael.org **** This is a private list. **** Do not forward or publish the messages from this list **** without permission from the person who wrote it. **** Visit www.unitedisrael.org * ************************************************ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/61e4da8f/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Thu May 7 16:15:03 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] [UILIST] P.S. on Live on Tovia Singer Show Today @ 4pm In-Reply-To: <237D2E52-CD1B-4DB8-9744-3691EEAF3405@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <158895.25618.qm@web82507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Glad I was able to listen and I was praying and praying. As usual you came through like gold. Tovia was so excited and I believe this was a great breakthrough. May there be many more sessions to follow and many who will read RAF and be set free. ? Baruch Hashem for His timing and this opportunity, right before Lag Bomer and the pope's visit. ? Shalom and kind regards, ? Helen --- On Thu, 5/7/09, James Tabor wrote: From: James Tabor Subject: [Dialogue] [UILIST] P.S. on Live on Tovia Singer Show Today @ 4pm To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 12:18 PM My segment is scheduled for 4pm EST. It is archived then for a week in case you can not tune in live. James ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I will be a live guest on Tovia Singer's Show today broadcast on Arutz Sheva/Israel National Radio. Tovia's show runs from 10-12midnight Israel time, which is 3-5pm EST in the USA. We will be talking about the Pope's visit to Israel and Vatican claim on the holy places on Mt Zion, as well as my work on the historical Jesus and my latest book,?Restoring Abrahamic Faith.? Here is the Internet link: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/ James_______________________________________________ UILIST mailing list UILIST at unitedisrael.org **** This is a private list. **** Do not forward or publish the messages from this list **** without permission from the person who wrote it. **** Visit www.unitedisrael.org * ************************************************ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/eb43b817/attachment.html From madelineccole at gmail.com Thu May 7 16:28:41 2009 From: madelineccole at gmail.com (Madeline Cole) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:28:41 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Tovia Singer Show. In-Reply-To: <050720092045.8379.4A034854000998E4000020BB22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <050720092045.8379.4A034854000998E4000020BB22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <237634100905071428n4d16b48bycfdc128eda2a41fe@mail.gmail.com> I listened as I was making pasta just now, and I agree that it was a very nice interview. I've never thought about how different it would be if the books were in chronological order. I only wish it would have been longer, hopefully there will be more sessions like it in the future! On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:45 PM, wrote: > Hey James, > > Just finished listening. > > Very good, frank discussion of the current situation on the temple mount > and the Catholic interest. > > Excellent interview. Thanks for letting us know it was coming up. > > Shalom. > > -- > Eliron/John. > > "Be excellent to each other!" > Bill and Ted > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/70556313/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Thu May 7 16:31:54 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 21:31:54 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Message-ID: <050720092131.27354.4A03534A0001BA1E00006ADA22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Hey all, I have a good friend who seems to have developed some swelling of her thyroid. She is not sure of the cause and is going to the doctor tomorrow to have it examined. Her first initial is P. Please pray that it is nothing serious and that HaShem will heal her quickly no matter what it is. Thank you. Shalom v'Brachot -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/451ae7c0/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Thu May 7 16:35:12 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:35:12 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. In-Reply-To: <050720092131.27354.4A03534A0001BA1E00006ADA22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <050720092131.27354.4A03534A0001BA1E00006ADA22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: Will be praying for her, John. From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:31 PM To: Dialogue Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Hey all, I have a good friend who seems to have developed some swelling of her thyroid. She is not sure of the cause and is going to the doctor tomorrow to have it examined. Her first initial is P. Please pray that it is nothing serious and that HaShem will heal her quickly no matter what it is. Thank you. Shalom v'Brachot -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/cb6679cf/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Thu May 7 16:46:14 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:46:14 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Seeking advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88C5C79F640847C9ADF4ED74E0E62D9C@bettylaptop> Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Cashmore Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:53 AM To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Seeking advice I am working with a Jewish man - surname Cohen. He is a wonderful guy - he attended a strict orthodox school as a boy, but now has lost much of his faith in HaShem. We had a conversation tonight about his beliefs, and why he has moved away from his orthodox background (although his children attend Jewish School). I'm sure many of you must have come across his argument for not believing often, and I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on how to answer him. He can't get past the Holocaust - how/why did it happen - why did HaShem allow it. I've used scriptural references, and talked about the Hope of Israel, but even with all of that it's hard to get past the deep feelings he has. I was wondering if anyone had any advice on this. I'd love to be able to assist him to come closer to HaShem, and I feel terribly un educated to do so. C xx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/bae7e955/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Thu May 7 16:52:10 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:52:10 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. In-Reply-To: References: <050720092131.27354.4A03534A0001BA1E00006ADA22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: Me too, John. Thanks for letting us know. Shalom v'Brachot to you and to your friend. She is in good hands. Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Patricia Robbins Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:35 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Will be praying for her, John. From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:31 PM To: Dialogue Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Hey all, I have a good friend who seems to have developed some swelling of her thyroid. She is not sure of the cause and is going to the doctor tomorrow to have it examined. Her first initial is P. Please pray that it is nothing serious and that HaShem will heal her quickly no matter what it is. Thank you. Shalom v'Brachot -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted _____ size=2 width="100%" align=center> _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/91a1fcd7/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Thu May 7 17:54:44 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 22:54:44 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. In-Reply-To: References: <050720092131.27354.4A03534A0001BA1E00006ADA22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <050720092254.7831.4A0366B4000AF10B00001E9722230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Thank you Betty and Pat. I know all will be well. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from "Betty Givin" : -------------- Me too, John. Thanks for letting us know. Shalom v?Brachot to you and to your friend. She is in good hands. Elisheva/Betty From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Patricia Robbins Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:35 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Will be praying for her, John. From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:31 PM To: Dialogue Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Hey all, I have a good friend who seems to have developed some swelling of her thyroid. She is not sure of the cause and is going to the doctor tomorrow to have it examined. Her first initial is P. Please pray that it is nothing serious and that HaShem will heal her quickly no matter what it is. Thank you. Shalom v'Brachot -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted size=2 width="100%" align=center> _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/63ece814/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Thu May 7 19:49:49 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 00:49:49 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Tovia Singer Show. In-Reply-To: <237634100905071428n4d16b48bycfdc128eda2a41fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <050720092045.8379.4A034854000998E4000020BB22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> <237634100905071428n4d16b48bycfdc128eda2a41fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <050820090049.11140.4A0381AC0007288000002B8422218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> I agree Maddie, There needs to be more interviews like this. On Israeli radio as well as on US prime-time TV. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Madeline Cole : -------------- I listened as I was making pasta just now, and I agree that it was a very nice interview. I've never thought about how different it would be if the books were in chronological order. I only wish it would have been longer, hopefully there will be more sessions like it in the future! On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:45 PM, wrote: Hey James, Just finished listening. Very good, frank discussion of the current situation on the temple mount and the Catholic interest. Excellent interview. Thanks for letting us know it was coming up. Shalom. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/3d66ff49/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Thu May 7 19:52:59 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:52:59 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Emor: Sanctifying G-d's Name Message-ID: <855590370905071752j61cce301q1205eb861096bf8e@mail.gmail.com> 05/07/09, 12:08 AM Emor: Sanctifying G-d's Name by Moshe Kempinski Isaiah's "young people" are among us. There is no greater sin than the desecration of *HaShem*'s name in the world. The purpose of Man has been to reveal G-d in the world and reveal his intimate connection with his creations. To do the opposite denies the ultimate purpose of creation. In *parshat Emor* we read: Many in the world, including many Jews, are bowing down to the idol of political correctness. "And you shall not desecrate My holy name; but I will be sanctified among the children of Israel: I am *HaShem* who sanctifies you, that brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am *HaShem*." (Leviticus 22:32-33) The Rambam writes (*Hilchot Yesodei HaTorah* 9): "This is the *mitzvah* of *Kiddush HaShem* (Sanctifying G-d's Name) about which all the House of Israel were commanded. That is to say that we should be prepared to die at the hands of the tyrant over our love of God and our faith in His unity - just as Chananya, Misha'el and Azarya did in the days of the evil Nebuchadnezzar, when he forced them to prostrate themselves before an idol; and every person, including the Jews, prostrated themselves (before the idol)." We live in very difficult times, when many in the world, including many Jews, are bowing down to the idol of political correctness and are falling prey to the fears of Islamic terrorism. G-d's name in the land of Israel has come very close to having been desecrated by Israel's small-minded politicians and by a fearful population. Israel cringes awaiting the decrees of the Obama administration, which has lost any true understanding of the Middle East and the dangers of international terrorism. President Barack Obama has every reason to believe that his vision of "come let us reason together" might work in his nation, but attempting to apply it to the areas controlled by radical Islam is more than a mistake. It is dangerous. Yet, Rambam continues and declares (*ibid*) that the desecration will not continue and the "shame" will be abolished. "Therefore, thus said *HaShem*, who redeemed Abraham, because of the house of Yaacov: Yaacov shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale." (Isaiah 29:22-2) Rambam writes the following: "And God already promised, through Isaiah that Israel's shame will not be complete at that time, but some young men will appear at that difficult time who will not fear death, and they will disregard their own blood and publicize the faith, and they will sanctify God in public." (*Hilchot Yesodei HaTorah* 9) On the eve of Memorial Day, prior to Yom Ha'Atzmaut, my family and I participated in an evening called, "Remembering, singing and storytelling". The evening was so intense and powerful that I could not attempt to adequately describe the waves of emotions that jolted every one of the thousands that filled the Binyanei HaUmah Convention Center. As Dov Kalmanovits - the master of ceremonies and himself an early victim of Palestinian terror - declared, it was an evening with no stage and no audience, no applause and no stars. It was an evening of true sharing, singing and crying together. Famous musicians walked to the microphone or the piano, performed, and then walked off silently; and everyone sang with them. Victims of terror or their families rose to speak, and everyone cried with them. Rabbis and thinkers shared their thoughts, and everyone's soul was uplifted with them. We listened to the sister of Major Ro'i Klein, who, during the battle in Bint J'beil, yelled out *Sh'ma Yisrael* and jumped on a grenade thrown towards his men. He died taking the brunt of the explosion, but saved many of his men.. We heard Tamir describe his valiant sister Ayala Abukasis, from the Israeli town of Sderot, who died from shrapnel wounds which she suffered protecting her brother with her body from a Palestinian Kassam rocket attack. We listened to Rabbi Weiss speak and sing in honor of his young students murdered in the Merkaz HaRav Yeshiva. Yet, in the midst of all these painful memories and sad contemplation, everyone walked out of that hall over three hours later with a soul that was slightly more elevated, enlarged and filled. Everyone walked out with a sense that Those who have been touched by light will see beyond the night. we had just experienced something more than a memorial. The encounter was more than just songs and stories. For an evening, we had elevated into a spiritual realm where hope and pain coexist. We had entered a dimension where the daily wilderness walk we are engaged in has reconnected to destiny and the sanctification of *HaShem*'s name. We had been touched by the memories and personalities of exactly the young people that Isaiah continued to prophecy about. "Therefore, thus said *HaShem*... Yaacov shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale. For when he sees his children, My handiwork in his midst who will sanctify My name - they will sanctify the Holy One of Ya'akov, and will venerate the God of Israel." (Isaiah 29:22-23) There will continue to be the cynics of this land, or those in the exile, who will ridicule this sense and describe all the darkness surrounding this land. They will do so even though they are deep in the greatest darkness of all. Yet, those who have been touched by light will see beyond the night. At one point in the evening, Kalmanovits invited Rabbi Zeev Karov and his son Aharon to come onto the stage. The silence was broken and people could not hold themselves back; they burst into applause mixed with tears. Days after his wedding, Aharon went to command his unit, was critically wounded and was not expected to survive. Yet, miraculously, he had not only survived, but was standing before this crowd. He simply said that our strength lies in our unity and that our enemies do not differentiate between the various types of Jews. They want to kill us all. Those who have been touched by light will see beyond the night. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/94c7ba07/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Thu May 7 20:11:23 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:11:23 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] 'They Must Go' Message-ID: <855590370905071811y780025eg4192416c90399739@mail.gmail.com> There's now a copy of my teacher, Rav Meir Kahane's, H"YD (May G-d avenge his blood) prophetic book, *They Must Go *available online, for free. If there is ONE book that you will read this year, it should be this one.... Click here: They Must Go * Hanoch* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/9b1a2982/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Thu May 7 20:48:14 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 21:48:14 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] 'They Must Go' In-Reply-To: <855590370905071811y780025eg4192416c90399739@mail.gmail.com> References: <855590370905071811y780025eg4192416c90399739@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is terrific, Hanoch! Thank you so much. Avigail From: Hanoch Young Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:11 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] 'They Must Go' There's now a copy of my teacher, Rav Meir Kahane's, H"YD (May G-d avenge his blood) prophetic book, They Must Go available online, for free. If there is ONE book that you will read this year, it should be this one.... Click here: They Must Go Hanoch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/cb7a1557/attachment.html From ptyler at aac-usa.com Thu May 7 22:37:07 2009 From: ptyler at aac-usa.com (Patty ) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:37:07 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. In-Reply-To: References: <050720092131.27354.4A03534A0001BA1E00006ADA22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <120201c9cf8e$4623d970$d26b8c50$@com> Hi John, I will pray for ?P?. Love, Patty From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Patricia Robbins Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:35 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Will be praying for her, John. From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:31 PM To: Dialogue Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Hey all, I have a good friend who seems to have developed some swelling of her thyroid. She is not sure of the cause and is going to the doctor tomorrow to have it examined. Her first initial is P. Please pray that it is nothing serious and that HaShem will heal her quickly no matter what it is. Thank you. Shalom v'Brachot -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted _____ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/8987d731/attachment.html From ptyler at aac-usa.com Thu May 7 22:38:23 2009 From: ptyler at aac-usa.com (Patty ) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:38:23 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] request for more prayers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <120701c9cf8e$73f520c0$5bdf6240$@com> Hi Catherine, I will pray for your beloved Dad. Love, Patty From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Cashmore Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:33 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] request for more prayers Hi All, I know how kind you have already been with your words and prayers, but I'm in a total panic again. Dad seemed to be getting a little better, but today he took a turn for the worst and has been rushed back into hospital with a high temperature. I still haven't got my passport back which has been sent for renewal, and my hands are totally tied. I feel helpless, I don't know what to do aside from send as many encouraging words as I can think of to mum, and pray and pray to HaShem for his mercy. Can I ask once again for your prayers? I have never met a better bunch of brethren who have hearts for seeking HaShem than all of you who put so much time and effort into making our family united. You have my heart and I long to meet you and be closer to you all - maybe next year in Jerusalem. Thank you so much, Please please pray for Dad Thank you again Catherine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/d3e7460c/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Thu May 7 22:50:26 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 03:50:26 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. In-Reply-To: <120201c9cf8e$4623d970$d26b8c50$@com> References: <050720092131.27354.4A03534A0001BA1E00006ADA22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net><120201c9cf8e$4623d970$d26b8c50$@com> Message-ID: <2092549311-1241754649-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1788520899-@bxe1195.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Thanks Patty. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Patty " Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:37:07 To: Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. _______________________________________________ From bkgivin at charter.net Thu May 7 23:01:43 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:01:43 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] 'They Must Go' In-Reply-To: References: <855590370905071811y780025eg4192416c90399739@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5AC372627C7E44A38006930DB8FE0097@bettylaptop> Thanks, Hanoch for passing this on to us. I started reading it already! Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Patricia Robbins Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:48 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] 'They Must Go' This is terrific, Hanoch! Thank you so much. Avigail From: Hanoch Young Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:11 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] 'They Must Go' There's now a copy of my teacher, Rav Meir Kahane's, H"YD (May G-d avenge his blood) prophetic book, They Must Go available online, for free. If there is ONE book that you will read this year, it should be this one.... Click here: They Must Go Hanoch _____ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/62468f4d/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Thu May 7 23:09:27 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:09:27 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Thank you In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37249594566E4A4D87456069E8957A7E@bettylaptop> Catherine, you are most welcome! I am glad that my experience touched your heart and will give your strength. I am so glad to hear that your Dad was feeling brighter today. Prayers for you and your Mum as well as your Dad, and may that passport come soon! Isn't the internet wonderful in that it allows us to reach across the miles and touch one another in an instant! I am lifting you and your family up to HaShem! My love and prayers, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Cashmore Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:53 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Thank you You are all wonderful, and I love you all dearly. The words of support you have written I've also sent to Mum - I know they will help her. Betty that was such a powerful touching experience you told us about - what a special moment. With heart and soul I thank you for sharing it - it helps somewhere deep down where I'm often afraid to go . You all mean so very much to me - I long to reach out and let you know how grateful I am, I can't tell you how I long to meet you all. This is what Mum wrote yesterday to me that made me just cry inside; "Believe me Catherine, all this does test your faith. It's not that I don't believe because I do but when you cannot see any improvement you get despairing and I am afraid weakness kicks in. Not being able to mix with people makes it more difficult and how can you explain to people that it is vital that he doesn't pick up any infections, they just do not understand. I dread Lisa or I passing anything on to him. If people phone - although not many have - I can hear in their voices that they think nothing can be done and then that makes me angry because it is seems almost an admission that they don't think that praying to God will help, even though they say their prayers are with us. I suppose I am saying all this because I feel tired, angry and unhappy and yet I so want to have faith that God hears our prayers and does help us. I know he has from so many instances in the past. I feel a bit low at the moment because I am tired and worried and when Lisa is away I am lonely. Life seems to have come to rather a nasty standstill, the weeks are rushing by and I hardly notice them." (Lisa is my sister) I sent a text message this morning (their evening time) to ask how he was today, and they messaged back that he was feeling brighter which I felt so relieved about. They also said they were exhausted, and so far today I haven't had any more e mails or messages from home - I imagine mum is at the hospital. I'll keep you all informed. Thank you so much, Much love and hope, Catherine X -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090507/7f113dce/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Fri May 8 04:59:17 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 02:59:17 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message Message-ID: <855590370905080259tb99beb3gbbf042fe17e8e7fa@mail.gmail.com> Sometimes, the seemingly most innocuous articles contain a vital message......*Du**ring the original debate on this issue in Norway, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" * It seems that the Jews of Europe *still* haven't gotten the message that they are no longer welcome "guests." Time to go home, while they still can....The Galut (Exile) is ending.. * Hanoch* Published: 05/08/09, 11:52 AM Even After EU Vote, European Shechita Still in Danger by Hillel Fendel (IsraelNN.com) Despite the EU Parliament's vote Wednesday to legalize ?shechita,? the Jewish method of humane animal slaughter is still very much in danger. It was reported on Thursday that the European Jewish Community ?hailed? the European Parliament?s vote to legalize the traditional Jewish method of slaughter into European law. However, it was later clarified that in fact, the Parliament only has consultative status in this case, and that the European Union?s Council of Agricultural Ministers will have the final say when it convenes next month ?*Shechita*,? as the Jewish method of animal slaughter is referred to in Hebrew, is currently forbidden in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania; Switzerland permits shechita for poultry only. Switzerland and Norway are not member nations of the EU. Though the EU Parliament vote represents a significant victory for the coalition of the European Jewish Congress, as well the Conference of European Rabbis and Shechita EU, the fight is far from over. The Parliament resolved only to ?introduce laws? that would be binding across Europe to allow animal slaughter "in accordance with religious rites.? However, the final text of the proposed amendment to EU law will be brought before the above-mentioned Council in June ? but not necessarily in a manner favorable to Jewish interests. The Council, which will convene on June 22-23 in Brno, Czech Republic, will vote on a proposal to require that all animals be pre-stunned before slaughter. *If the regulation passes, EU Member States would ban a practice that has been governed by halakhah (Jewish Law) and observed by Jews for thousands of years. Pre-stunning is forbidden by Jewish Law, and thus a ban on kosher slaughter in the European Union may be a reality as of next month.* A spokesperson for the European Jewish Congress, which has been spearheading efforts to legalize *shechita* all across Europe, confirmed to *Israel National News* that ?only if the Council decides to pass exactly the same proposal as amended by the Parliament will this change of legalization take place.? The spokesperson further acknowledged that though the Council must take the Parliament vote into account, it is ?unlikely? that the same vote will pass in the Council. Melchior: *"...no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? * "The regulation must not be drafted to allow Governments in Europe to threaten our culture and our freedom to observe our religion," said Philip Carmel of the Conference of European Rabbis. "We will be working very closely with Member States to achieve a satisfactory outcome for all Jewish communities in Europe when they agree upon the final text in June." Rabbi Michael Melchior, former chief rabbi of Norway and a former Knesset Member, has said that kosher slaughter is more humane than the more common methods of animal slaughter. "The shechitah process ensures that the animal loses consciousness immediately," he explained. "We have been dealing with this issue for many years, and there are many scientific studies that back us up." The anti-*shechita* campaign has been viewed as anti-Semitic by many Jews in Europe. When Holland outlawed the kosher slaughter of large bulls in 2002, Rabbi Melchior responded,* "They simply don't want foreigners, and they don't want Jews. *I won't say this is the only motivation, but it's certainly no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? ?I also know,? the rabbi said, ?that during the original debate on this issue in Norway, where *shechitah* has been banned since 1930, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/dfc6e5b8/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Fri May 8 06:02:12 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:02:12 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Response from mum to your prayers Message-ID: I forwarded to mum your messages of support and I thought I'd pass on what she sent in e mail.. We are both so very grateful. "I am grateful for the prayers, perhaps you can tell your friends that I find them humbling and hope that God will hear the prayers from people for somebody they do not know. I have prayed constantly and I know dad has. How weak we all are in the face of God. There is nothing else I can do and nobody else I can turn to but I know from the scriptures that God hears the prayers of the faithful and I hope we may be numbered amongst those." "Dad was a bit down yesterday when we went because his temperature had risen again - although before we left it had come down. Who knows why it happens because he is having all the help they can give. The doctor saw him and said that she still thinks he should stay on the blood and platelets and delay chemotherapy as his blood tests remain the same. I suppose that is good. Apparently he could only have bone marrow from a sibling - of which there are none - and the recovery rate for somebody of his age would be very low. He is well looked after in hospital and the nurses are very kind and will do anything for the patients - it is so different from the ward I was in with my hip. I also know that Dr Harrison will do her best so with our prayers to God that the angels will direct the medical staff, we have to be content and cast our burdens on the Lord." Much love to you all - and a peaceful Shabbos, Catherine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/a3e9c089/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Fri May 8 06:09:15 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 04:09:15 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Your Grankids may be Moslem Message-ID: <855590370905080409w6af51b38ma91269e583d8c229@mail.gmail.com> Iyar 11, 5769, 5/5/2009 Your Grandkids May Be Moslemby Tamar Yonah Did you hear this joke? "A recent study of assimilation among secular Jews in America shows that from 100 secular Jews in the first generation, only five are left in the fourth generation. In the Reform and the Conservative Jewish communities, the statistics are not much better. >From 100 'Reform' Jews in the first generation you have only 13 Reform left in the fourth generation!" >From 100 'Conservative' Jews in the first generation you have only 24 left in the fourth generation!" >From 100 'Orthodox' Jews in the first generation you have 2,587 in the fourth generation!" You might think this is a joke, but it is actually TRUE. See this diagram. These statswere talked about by former Israeli Chief Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau when he attended a 3 day Rabbinical conferenceheld in Europe which proclaimed that the biggest problem facing Judaism today is assimilation in the Diaspora. This is a concern for Jews, but to my Christian readers, the future 'looks' even bleaker for you. Christians in the United States and Europe are witnessing real threats to their way of life and their belief system. Ditto that for almost all Westerners in the USA and Europe who were born from Christian families but are either secular or just believe, but are not church-goers. Soon your culture and religion will not reign in the places where you call home. Your grandchildren will be living in a much different world than you are living in and enjoying today. This video below states that your grandchildren will not be living in 'weestern societies' anymore, and that Islam will be the dominant religion of not only Europe, but the world. The presentation starts a little slow, but stick with it, the information it is showing you will make you either finally take some action, or make you want to buy a ticket to the moon (no pun intended). Please see this video before continuing reading below. For the Jews however, there is good news? Israel is daily becoming more and more religious. One may not see it in the media and the leadership sitting in their ivory towers, but facts on the ground cannot be denied. There have never been more yeshivot and yeshiva learning in the country, and there has never been a stronger baal tshuva (returning to religious observance) movement in Israel. Observant G-d fearing Jews are gradually taking over the army, with HALF of the new combat officersin the IDF being religious. The education branch in Israel is filling up with more religiously identifying Jews, at the same time that those, still secular, are leaving teaching positions in the quest of finding higher paying jobs. And to top it all off, Haredi women are having 3 times as many children as secular women have. Many other religious women all over Israel are also having large families. My sister-in-law living in another re-settlement has 12 children, my neighbor behind me has 13 children and other families in YESHA easily have 8-12 children. In another phenomena, our kids are getting married earlier, they are not like their westernized parents looking to first get a 'career'. Half my daughter's classmates who graduated with her 2 years ago, already opted to get married and not wait. Many want to go to new hill tops and raise lots of children! It's a different head-set that we from the West are used to. Think how these facts on the ground and our next generation are changing the country, and what it will look like in the near future. So, regarding the die-hard Seculars, the Post Zionists, and the self-hating Jews, they are actually on the decline. The future is almost here, and it looks like it's going to be a Jewish one! To my Jewish bretheren in the EXILE, come home now. There is no future for the Jewish People in the Exile. Your grandchildren may be living under 'Islamic rule'. Don't think that you have a lot of time. Very soon, it may be impossible to take your savings and money that you have worked for, out of the country. Just yesterday I heard a news report that they are starting to go after Americans who are keeping their money in overseas accounts like the Cayman Islands, etc? In a Bloomberg report, they stated that, "Obama?s plan also would make it riskier for Americans to stash money in tax-havens." This may just be the begining. My brothers and sisters, if they are starting to go after businesses who want to keep their money in a bank or country of their choosing, then what's to stop them from going after the individual soon after? We may be seeing a situation, as the financial crisis worsens, where the government, or even it's citizens may get angry and state, "If you made your money here in America, it stays in America. If you want to leave, leave, but you're not taking 'OUR' money with you." This has happened before when people could not take their possesions with them and had to leave with nothing but their lives - if they were lucky. We don't need to stretch the imagination. Get out now while you still can with the fruits of your hard earned labor. If you are blessed with having a fully paid-for home, sell it now and come. If you are only blessed with a car and a few belongings, sell what you can't take with you and come home now, before it may be too late. You obviously won't be boarding a plane tomorrow, but these things take time and planning, so start that planning now. www.NbN.org.il Once a FIRM plan has been put in place, you can decide when to implement it. Without a plan, you are left to the wolves. Come home -where the future is --otherwise your grandkids may be Moslem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/c5e27547/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Fri May 8 06:14:57 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 04:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message In-Reply-To: <855590370905080259tb99beb3gbbf042fe17e8e7fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <754396.65130.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hanoch, you're right, there is?no safe place for the Jew other than Israel.? I pray that our brothers will wake up and hear HaShem's warnings.?GO HOME!? Why can't we?learn from history? ?This is heavy on my heart almost?every minute of every day.??Prayer is of the utmost importance.? ? Margie? --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 4:59 AM Sometimes, the seemingly most innocuous articles contain a vital message......During the original debate on this issue in Norway, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" ? It seems that the Jews of Europe still haven't gotten the message that they are no longer welcome "guests."? Time to go home, while they still can....The Galut (Exile) is ending.. ?????????????Hanoch ? ? Published: 05/08/09, 11:52 AM Even After EU Vote, European Shechita Still in Danger ? by Hillel Fendel (IsraelNN.com) Despite the EU Parliament's vote Wednesday?to legalize ?shechita,??the Jewish method of humane animal slaughter is still very much in danger. It was reported on Thursday that the European Jewish Community ?hailed? the European Parliament?s vote to legalize the traditional Jewish method of slaughter into European law.?However, it was later clarified that in fact, the Parliament only has consultative status in this case, and that the European Union?s Council of Agricultural Ministers will have the final say when it convenes next month ?Shechita,? as the Jewish method?of animal slaughter is referred to in Hebrew,?is currently forbidden in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania; Switzerland permits shechita for poultry only. Switzerland and Norway are not member nations of the EU. Though the EU Parliament vote represents a significant victory for the coalition of the European Jewish Congress, as well the Conference of European Rabbis and Shechita EU, the fight is far from over. The Parliament resolved only to ?introduce laws? that would be binding across Europe to allow animal slaughter "in accordance with religious rites.? However, the final text of the proposed amendment to EU law will be brought before the above-mentioned Council in June ? but not necessarily in a manner favorable to Jewish interests. The Council, which will convene on June 22-23 in Brno, Czech Republic, will vote on a proposal to require that all animals be pre-stunned before slaughter. If the regulation passes, EU Member States would ban a practice that has been governed by halakhah (Jewish Law) and observed by Jews for thousands of years. Pre-stunning is forbidden by Jewish Law, and thus?a ban on kosher slaughter in the European Union may be a reality as of next month. A spokesperson for the European Jewish Congress, which has been spearheading efforts to legalize shechita all across Europe, confirmed to Israel National News that ?only if the Council decides to pass exactly the same proposal as amended by the Parliament will this change of legalization take place.?? The spokesperson further acknowledged that though the Council must take the Parliament vote into account, it is ?unlikely? that the same vote will pass in the Council. Melchior: "...no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? "The regulation must not be drafted to allow Governments in Europe to threaten our culture and our freedom to observe our religion," said Philip Carmel of the Conference of European Rabbis. "We will be working very closely with Member States to achieve a satisfactory outcome for all Jewish communities in Europe when they agree upon the final text in June."? Rabbi Michael Melchior, former chief rabbi of Norway and a former Knesset Member, has said that kosher slaughter is more humane than the more common methods of animal slaughter. "The shechitah process ensures that the animal loses consciousness immediately," he explained. "We have been dealing with this issue for many years, and there are many scientific studies that back us up." The anti-shechita campaign has been viewed as anti-Semitic by many Jews in Europe.? When Holland outlawed the kosher slaughter of large bulls in 2002, Rabbi Melchior responded, "They simply don't want foreigners, and they don't want Jews. I won't say this is the only motivation, but it's certainly no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? ?I also know,? the rabbi said, ?that during the original debate on this issue in Norway, where shechitah has been banned since 1930, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/627fade1/attachment.html From mhyde7 at tds.net Fri May 8 07:24:47 2009 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde7 tds.net) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:24:47 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] No dialogue Message-ID: Hanoch, It seems like every day we are being warned of what is coming. Another holocaust, in America this time. If you think it will only effect Jews watch the attached file. Even Christians will be placed in a position of having to take a stand. Billions in the valley of decision, Do God fearing people stand with Israel / Jews or with the Moslem world? One might think I'm being to extreme but after listing to the moselm professor teach and incite his followers to kill each of us (in this dialogue group) maybe you will see the future in a different light. The future we know is going to be grand but the road to get there is paved with bodies and blood. I was speaking to a christian the other day and he started spewing the same ole anti - Semitic rhetoric that the church has been spreading for 1900 years. I set him down and let him read a couple of articles about the historical diversity of the early christian movement and after that he had no response for 2 days. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but people better educate themselves about what is coming, and then pray that Hashem protects us in the middle of it, but if a person is operating under the allusion of christian rapture theology, or blind faith that God will protect them they are soon about to be awakened out of their sleep. I would assume there are many people reading this that have not listened to the teaching that was given at the UIWU conference in Charlotte, and I know a single teaching may say different things to different people but I personally feel these speakers all had very timely messages and would encourage everyone who has not listen take the time too. If we listen we can hear the footsteps of Moshiach. Shalom, marvin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/44eb834d/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/7aca23b7/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Fri May 8 07:28:22 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:28:22 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message In-Reply-To: <855590370905080259tb99beb3gbbf042fe17e8e7fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <855590370905080259tb99beb3gbbf042fe17e8e7fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: What I don't understand is WHY the nations are pushing out the Jews, while at the same time pushing for the Jews to give up more and more of the Land G-d gave to them as an eternal inheritance. Obviously they are trying to give them no place at all. This is even more perplexing when you consider that it is NOT the Jews who are threatening, terrorizing and killing throughout the world, and yet THEY are the ones that the nations have decided must go?????? Avigail From: Hanoch Young Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:59 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message Sometimes, the seemingly most innocuous articles contain a vital message......During the original debate on this issue in Norway, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" It seems that the Jews of Europe still haven't gotten the message that they are no longer welcome "guests." Time to go home, while they still can....The Galut (Exile) is ending.. Hanoch Published: 05/08/09, 11:52 AM Even After EU Vote, European Shechita Still in Danger by Hillel Fendel (IsraelNN.com) Despite the EU Parliament's vote Wednesday to legalize ?shechita,? the Jewish method of humane animal slaughter is still very much in danger. It was reported on Thursday that the European Jewish Community ?hailed? the European Parliament?s vote to legalize the traditional Jewish method of slaughter into European law. However, it was later clarified that in fact, the Parliament only has consultative status in this case, and that the European Union?s Council of Agricultural Ministers will have the final say when it convenes next month ?Shechita,? as the Jewish method of animal slaughter is referred to in Hebrew, is currently forbidden in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania; Switzerland permits shechita for poultry only. Switzerland and Norway are not member nations of the EU. Though the EU Parliament vote represents a significant victory for the coalition of the European Jewish Congress, as well the Conference of European Rabbis and Shechita EU, the fight is far from over. The Parliament resolved only to ?introduce laws? that would be binding across Europe to allow animal slaughter "in accordance with religious rites.? However, the final text of the proposed amendment to EU law will be brought before the above-mentioned Council in June ? but not necessarily in a manner favorable to Jewish interests. The Council, which will convene on June 22-23 in Brno, Czech Republic, will vote on a proposal to require that all animals be pre-stunned before slaughter. If the regulation passes, EU Member States would ban a practice that has been governed by halakhah (Jewish Law) and observed by Jews for thousands of years. Pre-stunning is forbidden by Jewish Law, and thus a ban on kosher slaughter in the European Union may be a reality as of next month. A spokesperson for the European Jewish Congress, which has been spearheading efforts to legalize shechita all across Europe, confirmed to Israel National News that ?only if the Council decides to pass exactly the same proposal as amended by the Parliament will this change of legalization take place.? The spokesperson further acknowledged that though the Council must take the Parliament vote into account, it is ?unlikely? that the same vote will pass in the Council. Melchior: "...no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? "The regulation must not be drafted to allow Governments in Europe to threaten our culture and our freedom to observe our religion," said Philip Carmel of the Conference of European Rabbis. "We will be working very closely with Member States to achieve a satisfactory outcome for all Jewish communities in Europe when they agree upon the final text in June." Rabbi Michael Melchior, former chief rabbi of Norway and a former Knesset Member, has said that kosher slaughter is more humane than the more common methods of animal slaughter. "The shechitah process ensures that the animal loses consciousness immediately," he explained. "We have been dealing with this issue for many years, and there are many scientific studies that back us up." The anti-shechita campaign has been viewed as anti-Semitic by many Jews in Europe. When Holland outlawed the kosher slaughter of large bulls in 2002, Rabbi Melchior responded, "They simply don't want foreigners, and they don't want Jews. I won't say this is the only motivation, but it's certainly no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? ?I also know,? the rabbi said, ?that during the original debate on this issue in Norway, where shechitah has been banned since 1930, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/cb7ba011/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Fri May 8 08:03:56 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 06:03:56 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] No dialogue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <855590370905080603j3af4560btd97e9483ca0d5531@mail.gmail.com> Shalom Marvin, Yes, my friend, once again we find ourselves agreeing - because there is NO other choice. Be strong and have courage! Shabbat Shalom, *Hanoch * On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:24 AM, mhyde7 tds.net wrote: > Hanoch, > > It seems like every day we are being warned of what is coming. Another > holocaust, in America this time. If you think it will only effect Jews > watch the attached file. Even Christians will be placed in a position of > having to take a stand. Billions in the valley of decision, Do God fearing > people stand with Israel / Jews or with the Moslem world? One might think > I'm being to extreme but after listing to the moselm professor teach and > incite his followers to kill each of us (in this dialogue group) maybe you > will see the future in a different light. The future we know is going to be > grand but the road to get there is paved with bodies and blood. > > I was speaking to a christian the other day and he started spewing the same > ole anti - Semitic rhetoric that the church has been spreading for 1900 > years. I set him down and let him read a couple of articles about the > historical diversity of the early christian movement and after that he had > no response for 2 days. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but people > better educate themselves about what is coming, and then pray that Hashem > protects us in the middle of it, but if a person is operating under the > allusion of christian rapture theology, or blind faith that God will protect > them they are soon about to be awakened out of their sleep. > > I would assume there are many people reading this that have not listened to > the teaching that was given at the UIWU conference in Charlotte, and I > know a single teaching may say different things to different people but I > personally feel these speakers all had very timely messages and would > encourage everyone who has not listen take the time too. > > If we listen we can hear the footsteps of Moshiach. > > Shalom, > marvin > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/af986275/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Fri May 8 08:13:13 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 06:13:13 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message In-Reply-To: <754396.65130.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <855590370905080259tb99beb3gbbf042fe17e8e7fa@mail.gmail.com> <754396.65130.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <855590370905080613w5523b9d9u162fff131899a7d1@mail.gmail.com> Shalom Margie, Yes, why *can't* we ever learn?!? I have been taught to never give up hope in my Jewish brothers and sisters doing T'shuva - returning to HaShem; to HIS Torah, to HIS Land, and of course, to HIS people. However, don't count on it.... I will try to cut and paste some info below which will let you know exactly how bad it is within the Jewish Americans and their ever increasing lack of affiliation. I just received an email from my dearest friend in Israel who wrote that I am getting out just in time, and then he wrote: ..."it's Poland, 1938, Hanoch....." Please see below... Shabbat Shalom, *Hanoch* * Iyar 11, 5769, 5/5/2009 Your Grandkids May Be Moslemby Tamar Yonah Did you hear this joke? "A recent study of assimilation among secular Jews in America shows that from 100 secular Jews in the first generation, only five are left in the fourth generation. In the Reform and the Conservative Jewish communities, the statistics are not much better. >From 100 'Reform' Jews in the first generation you have only 13 Reform left in the fourth generation!" >From 100 'Conservative' Jews in the first generation you have only 24 left in the fourth generation!" >From 100 'Orthodox' Jews in the first generation you have 2,587 in the fourth generation!" You might think this is a joke, but it is actually TRUE. See this diagram. These statswere talked about by former Israeli Chief Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau when he attended a 3 day Rabbinical conferenceheld in Europe which proclaimed that the biggest problem facing Judaism today is assimilation in the Diaspora. This is a concern for Jews, but to my Christian readers, the future 'looks' even bleaker for you. Christians in the United States and Europe are witnessing real threats to their way of life and their belief system. Ditto that for almost all Westerners in the USA and Europe who were born from Christian families but are either secular or just believe, but are not church-goers. Soon your culture and religion will not reign in the places where you call home. Your grandchildren will be living in a much different world than you are living in and enjoying today. This video below states that your grandchildren will not be living in 'weestern societies' anymore, and that Islam will be the dominant religion of not only Europe, but the world. The presentation starts a little slow, but stick with it, the information it is showing you will make you either finally take some action, or make you want to buy a ticket to the moon (no pun intended). Please see this video before continuing reading below. For the Jews however, there is good news? Israel is daily becoming more and more religious. One may not see it in the media and the leadership sitting in their ivory towers, but facts on the ground cannot be denied. There have never been more yeshivot and yeshiva learning in the country, and there has never been a stronger baal tshuva (returning to religious observance) movement in Israel. Observant G-d fearing Jews are gradually taking over the army, with HALF of the new combat officersin the IDF being religious. The education branch in Israel is filling up with more religiously identifying Jews, at the same time that those, still secular, are leaving teaching positions in the quest of finding higher paying jobs. And to top it all off, Haredi women are having 3 times as many children as secular women have. Many other religious women all over Israel are also having large families. My sister-in-law living in another re-settlement has 12 children, my neighbor behind me has 13 children and other families in YESHA easily have 8-12 children. In another phenomena, our kids are getting married earlier, they are not like their westernized parents looking to first get a 'career'. Half my daughter's classmates who graduated with her 2 years ago, already opted to get married and not wait. Many want to go to new hill tops and raise lots of children! It's a different head-set that we from the West are used to. Think how these facts on the ground and our next generation are changing the country, and what it will look like in the near future. So, regarding the die-hard Seculars, the Post Zionists, and the self-hating Jews, they are actually on the decline. The future is almost here, and it looks like it's going to be a Jewish one! To my Jewish bretheren in the EXILE, come home now. There is no future for the Jewish People in the Exile. Your grandchildren may be living under 'Islamic rule'. Don't think that you have a lot of time. Very soon, it may be impossible to take your savings and money that you have worked for, out of the country. Just yesterday I heard a news report that they are starting to go after Americans who are keeping their money in overseas accounts like the Cayman Islands, etc? In a Bloomberg report, they stated that, "Obama?s plan also would make it riskier for Americans to stash money in tax-havens." This may just be the begining. My brothers and sisters, if they are starting to go after businesses who want to keep their money in a bank or country of their choosing, then what's to stop them from going after the individual soon after? We may be seeing a situation, as the financial crisis worsens, where the government, or even it's citizens may get angry and state, "If you made your money here in America, it stays in America. If you want to leave, leave, but you're not taking 'OUR' money with you." This has happened before when people could not take their possesions with them and had to leave with nothing but their lives - if they were lucky. We don't need to stretch the imagination. Get out now while you still can with the fruits of your hard earned labor. If you are blessed with having a fully paid-for home, sell it now and come. If you are only blessed with a car and a few belongings, sell what you can't take with you and come home now, before it may be too late. You obviously won't be boarding a plane tomorrow, but these things take time and planning, so start that planning now. www.NbN.org.il Once a FIRM plan has been put in place, you can decide when to implement it. Without a plan, you are left to the wolves. Come home -where the future is --otherwise your grandkids may be Moslem. * On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Margie Creech wrote: > Hanoch, you're right, there is no safe place for the Jew other than > Israel. I pray that our brothers will wake up and hear HaShem's > warnings. GO HOME! Why can't we learn from history? This is heavy on my > heart almost every minute of every day. Prayer is of the utmost > importance. > > Margie > > --- On *Fri, 5/8/09, Hanoch Young * wrote: > > From: Hanoch Young > Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 4:59 AM > > > Sometimes, the seemingly most innocuous articles contain a vital > message......*Du**ring the original debate on this issue in Norway, one of > the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go > live somewhere else.'" > * It seems that the Jews of Europe *still* haven't gotten the message > that they are no longer welcome "guests." Time to go home, while they still > can....The Galut (Exile) is ending.. > * Hanoch* > > > Published: 05/08/09, 11:52 AM > Even After EU Vote, European Shechita Still in Danger > by Hillel Fendel > > (IsraelNN.com) Despite the EU Parliament's vote Wednesday to legalize > ?shechita,? the Jewish method of humane animal slaughter is still very much > in danger. > It was reported on Thursday that the European Jewish Community ?hailed? the > European Parliament?s vote to legalize the traditional Jewish method of > slaughter into European law. However, it was later clarified that in fact, > the Parliament only has consultative status in this case, and that the > European Union?s Council of Agricultural Ministers will have the final say > when it convenes next month > ?*Shechita*,? as the Jewish method of animal slaughter is referred to in > Hebrew, is currently forbidden in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia > and Lithuania; Switzerland permits shechita for poultry only. Switzerland > and Norway are not member nations of the EU. > > Though the EU Parliament vote represents a significant victory for the > coalition of the European Jewish Congress, as well the Conference of > European Rabbis and Shechita EU, the fight is far from over. The Parliament > resolved only to ?introduce laws? that would be binding across Europe to > allow animal slaughter "in accordance with religious rites.? > However, the final text of the proposed amendment to EU law will be brought > before the above-mentioned Council in June ? but not necessarily in a manner > favorable to Jewish interests. The Council, which will convene on June 22-23 > in Brno, Czech Republic, will vote on a proposal to require that all animals > be pre-stunned before slaughter. > *If the regulation passes, EU Member States would ban a practice that has > been governed by halakhah (Jewish Law) and observed by Jews for thousands > of years. Pre-stunning is forbidden by Jewish Law, and thus a ban on kosher > slaughter in the European Union may be a reality as of next month.* > A spokesperson for the European Jewish Congress, which has been > spearheading efforts to legalize *shechita* all across Europe, confirmed > to *Israel National News* that ?only if the Council decides to pass > exactly the same proposal as amended by the Parliament will this change of > legalization take place.? The spokesperson further acknowledged that though > the Council must take the Parliament vote into account, it is ?unlikely? > that the same vote will pass in the Council. > Melchior: *"...no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany > forbade was kosher slaughter.? > * > "The regulation must not be drafted to allow Governments in Europe to > threaten our culture and our freedom to observe our religion," said Philip > Carmel of the Conference of European Rabbis. "We will be working very > closely with Member States to achieve a satisfactory outcome for all Jewish > communities in Europe when they agree upon the final text in June." > Rabbi Michael Melchior, former chief rabbi of Norway and a former Knesset > Member, has said that kosher slaughter is more humane than the more common > methods of animal slaughter. "The shechitah process ensures that the animal > loses consciousness immediately," he explained. "We have been dealing with > this issue for many years, and there are many scientific studies that back > us up." > The anti-*shechita* campaign has been viewed as anti-Semitic by many Jews > in Europe. When Holland outlawed the kosher slaughter of large bulls in > 2002, Rabbi Melchior responded,* "They simply don't want foreigners, and > they don't want Jews. *I won't say this is the only motivation, but it's > certainly no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade > was kosher slaughter.? > ?I also know,? the rabbi said, ?that during the original debate on this > issue in Norway, where *shechitah* has been banned since 1930, one of the > parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live > somewhere else.'" > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/d7793f77/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Fri May 8 08:25:40 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 06:25:40 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message In-Reply-To: References: <855590370905080259tb99beb3gbbf042fe17e8e7fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <855590370905080625y47a881bbh869cd695d4781d7b@mail.gmail.com> Hey Avigail, Well, you do you have to give them *some* 'credit' - they're totally consistent. The ashes of Auschwitz have cooled, and they're no longer feeling guilty of what the did, either overtly, or complicitly. Only this time, they're going to find out that Jewish blood isn't so cheap, anymore. It will cost them dearly...let alone when HaShem, the L-rd G-d of Israel takes his vengence on the nations. Shabbat Shalom, * Hanoch* (leaving 4 months from today to live in Modi'in - the birthplace of the Maccabees) On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Patricia Robbins < patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: > What I don't understand is WHY the nations are pushing out the Jews, > while at the same time pushing for the Jews to give up more and more of the > Land G-d gave to them as an eternal inheritance. Obviously they are trying > to give them no place at all. This is even more perplexing when you > consider that it is NOT the Jews who are threatening, terrorizing and > killing throughout the world, and yet THEY are the ones that the nations > have decided must go?????? > > Avigail > > *From:* Hanoch Young > *Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2009 5:59 AM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message > > Sometimes, the seemingly most innocuous articles contain a vital > message......*Du**ring the original debate on this issue in Norway, one of > the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go > live somewhere else.'" > * It seems that the Jews of Europe *still* haven't gotten the message > that they are no longer welcome "guests." Time to go home, while they still > can....The Galut (Exile) is ending.. > * Hanoch* > > > Published: 05/08/09, 11:52 AM > Even After EU Vote, European Shechita Still in Danger > by Hillel Fendel > > (IsraelNN.com) Despite the EU Parliament's vote Wednesday to legalize > ?shechita,? the Jewish method of humane animal slaughter is still very much > in danger. > > It was reported on Thursday that the European Jewish Community ?hailed? the > European Parliament?s vote to legalize the traditional Jewish method of > slaughter into European law. However, it was later clarified that in fact, > the Parliament only has consultative status in this case, and that the > European Union?s Council of Agricultural Ministers will have the final say > when it convenes next month > > ?*Shechita*,? as the Jewish method of animal slaughter is referred to in > Hebrew, is currently forbidden in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia > and Lithuania; Switzerland permits shechita for poultry only. Switzerland > and Norway are not member nations of the EU. > > Though the EU Parliament vote represents a significant victory for the > coalition of the European Jewish Congress, as well the Conference of > European Rabbis and Shechita EU, the fight is far from over. The Parliament > resolved only to ?introduce laws? that would be binding across Europe to > allow animal slaughter "in accordance with religious rites.? > > However, the final text of the proposed amendment to EU law will be brought > before the above-mentioned Council in June ? but not necessarily in a manner > favorable to Jewish interests. The Council, which will convene on June 22-23 > in Brno, Czech Republic, will vote on a proposal to require that all animals > be pre-stunned before slaughter. > > *If the regulation passes, EU Member States would ban a practice that has > been governed by halakhah (Jewish Law) and observed by Jews for thousands > of years. Pre-stunning is forbidden by Jewish Law, and thus a ban on kosher > slaughter in the European Union may be a reality as of next month.* > > A spokesperson for the European Jewish Congress, which has been > spearheading efforts to legalize *shechita* all across Europe, confirmed > to *Israel National News* that ?only if the Council decides to pass > exactly the same proposal as amended by the Parliament will this change of > legalization take place.? The spokesperson further acknowledged that though > the Council must take the Parliament vote into account, it is ?unlikely? > that the same vote will pass in the Council. > Melchior: *"...no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany > forbade was kosher slaughter.? > * > > "The regulation must not be drafted to allow Governments in Europe to > threaten our culture and our freedom to observe our religion," said Philip > Carmel of the Conference of European Rabbis. "We will be working very > closely with Member States to achieve a satisfactory outcome for all Jewish > communities in Europe when they agree upon the final text in June." > > Rabbi Michael Melchior, former chief rabbi of Norway and a former Knesset > Member, has said that kosher slaughter is more humane than the more common > methods of animal slaughter. "The shechitah process ensures that the animal > loses consciousness immediately," he explained. "We have been dealing with > this issue for many years, and there are many scientific studies that back > us up." > > The anti-*shechita* campaign has been viewed as anti-Semitic by many Jews > in Europe. When Holland outlawed the kosher slaughter of large bulls in > 2002, Rabbi Melchior responded,* "They simply don't want foreigners, and > they don't want Jews. *I won't say this is the only motivation, but it's > certainly no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade > was kosher slaughter.? > > ?I also know,? the rabbi said, ?that during the original debate on this > issue in Norway, where *shechitah* has been banned since 1930, one of the > parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live > somewhere else.'" > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/fd04056c/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Fri May 8 08:33:17 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:33:17 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message In-Reply-To: <855590370905080625y47a881bbh869cd695d4781d7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <855590370905080259tb99beb3gbbf042fe17e8e7fa@mail.gmail.com> <855590370905080625y47a881bbh869cd695d4781d7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It's time for the Macabbees to arise! SHABBAT SHALOM, HANOCH, AND ALL. Avigail From: Hanoch Young Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:25 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message Hey Avigail, Well, you do you have to give them some 'credit' - they're totally consistent. The ashes of Auschwitz have cooled, and they're no longer feeling guilty of what the did, either overtly, or complicitly. Only this time, they're going to find out that Jewish blood isn't so cheap, anymore. It will cost them dearly...let alone when HaShem, the L-rd G-d of Israel takes his vengence on the nations. Shabbat Shalom, Hanoch (leaving 4 months from today to live in Modi'in - the birthplace of the Maccabees) On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Patricia Robbins wrote: What I don't understand is WHY the nations are pushing out the Jews, while at the same time pushing for the Jews to give up more and more of the Land G-d gave to them as an eternal inheritance. Obviously they are trying to give them no place at all. This is even more perplexing when you consider that it is NOT the Jews who are threatening, terrorizing and killing throughout the world, and yet THEY are the ones that the nations have decided must go?????? Avigail From: Hanoch Young Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:59 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message Sometimes, the seemingly most innocuous articles contain a vital message......During the original debate on this issue in Norway, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" It seems that the Jews of Europe still haven't gotten the message that they are no longer welcome "guests." Time to go home, while they still can....The Galut (Exile) is ending.. Hanoch Published: 05/08/09, 11:52 AM Even After EU Vote, European Shechita Still in Danger by Hillel Fendel (IsraelNN.com) Despite the EU Parliament's vote Wednesday to legalize ?shechita,? the Jewish method of humane animal slaughter is still very much in danger. It was reported on Thursday that the European Jewish Community ?hailed? the European Parliament?s vote to legalize the traditional Jewish method of slaughter into European law. However, it was later clarified that in fact, the Parliament only has consultative status in this case, and that the European Union?s Council of Agricultural Ministers will have the final say when it convenes next month ?Shechita,? as the Jewish method of animal slaughter is referred to in Hebrew, is currently forbidden in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania; Switzerland permits shechita for poultry only. Switzerland and Norway are not member nations of the EU. Though the EU Parliament vote represents a significant victory for the coalition of the European Jewish Congress, as well the Conference of European Rabbis and Shechita EU, the fight is far from over. The Parliament resolved only to ?introduce laws? that would be binding across Europe to allow animal slaughter "in accordance with religious rites.? However, the final text of the proposed amendment to EU law will be brought before the above-mentioned Council in June ? but not necessarily in a manner favorable to Jewish interests. The Council, which will convene on June 22-23 in Brno, Czech Republic, will vote on a proposal to require that all animals be pre-stunned before slaughter. If the regulation passes, EU Member States would ban a practice that has been governed by halakhah (Jewish Law) and observed by Jews for thousands of years. Pre-stunning is forbidden by Jewish Law, and thus a ban on kosher slaughter in the European Union may be a reality as of next month. A spokesperson for the European Jewish Congress, which has been spearheading efforts to legalize shechita all across Europe, confirmed to Israel National News that ?only if the Council decides to pass exactly the same proposal as amended by the Parliament will this change of legalization take place.? The spokesperson further acknowledged that though the Council must take the Parliament vote into account, it is ?unlikely? that the same vote will pass in the Council. Melchior: "...no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? "The regulation must not be drafted to allow Governments in Europe to threaten our culture and our freedom to observe our religion," said Philip Carmel of the Conference of European Rabbis. "We will be working very closely with Member States to achieve a satisfactory outcome for all Jewish communities in Europe when they agree upon the final text in June." Rabbi Michael Melchior, former chief rabbi of Norway and a former Knesset Member, has said that kosher slaughter is more humane than the more common methods of animal slaughter. "The shechitah process ensures that the animal loses consciousness immediately," he explained. "We have been dealing with this issue for many years, and there are many scientific studies that back us up." The anti-shechita campaign has been viewed as anti-Semitic by many Jews in Europe. When Holland outlawed the kosher slaughter of large bulls in 2002, Rabbi Melchior responded, "They simply don't want foreigners, and they don't want Jews. I won't say this is the only motivation, but it's certainly no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? ?I also know,? the rabbi said, ?that during the original debate on this issue in Norway, where shechitah has been banned since 1930, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/d30af5a1/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Fri May 8 09:08:34 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:08:34 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Message-ID: <1990334818-1241791788-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-483202362-@bxe1195.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Thank you Catherine. I will. ------Original Message------ From: Catherine Cashmore Sender: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org To: Dialogue ReplyTo: Dialogue Sent: May 8, 2009 07:27 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. I'm praying John - let me know how things go, I've had thyroid problems myself and it can cause distress and confusion.? C x_______________________________________________ Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Fri May 8 09:25:15 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:25:15 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] P.S. on Live on Tovia Singer Show Today @ 4pm In-Reply-To: <158895.25618.qm@web82507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <158895.25618.qm@web82507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6B85E81A-96DA-4169-9F2A-6B22CB80E96C@earthlink.net> Thanks Helen, we really missed you here, but next year... James On May 7, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Helen Lusk wrote: > Glad I was able to listen and I was praying and praying. As usual > you came through like gold. Tovia was so excited and I believe this > was a great breakthrough. May there be many more sessions to follow > and many who will read RAF and be set free. > > Baruch Hashem for His timing and this opportunity, right before Lag > Bomer and the pope's visit. > > Shalom and kind regards, > > Helen > > --- On Thu, 5/7/09, James Tabor wrote: > From: James Tabor > Subject: [Dialogue] [UILIST] P.S. on Live on Tovia Singer Show Today > @ 4pm > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 12:18 PM > > My segment is scheduled for 4pm EST. It is archived then for a week > in case you can not tune in live. > > James > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I will be a live guest on Tovia Singer's Show today broadcast on > Arutz Sheva/Israel National Radio. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/8b2e8760/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Fri May 8 10:24:59 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message In-Reply-To: <855590370905080613w5523b9d9u162fff131899a7d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <424435.67891.qm@web58502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 8:13 AM Shalom Margie, ? ?? Yes, why can't we ever learn?!?? I have been taught to never give up hope in my Jewish brothers and sisters doing T'shuva - returning to HaShem; to HIS Torah, to HIS Land, and of course, to HIS people.? However, don't count on it.... ? ??? I will try to cut and paste some info below which will let you know exactly how bad it is within the Jewish Americans and their ever increasing lack of affiliation.? I just received an email from my dearest friend in Israel who wrote that I am getting out just in time, and then he wrote:? ..."it's Poland, 1938, Hanoch....." ? ???? Please see below... ????? Shabbat Shalom, ??????????????????????? Hanoch Iyar 11, 5769, 5/5/2009 Your Grandkids May Be Moslemby Tamar Yonah Did you hear this joke?? "A recent study of assimilation among secular Jews in America shows that from 100 secular Jews in the first generation, only five are left in the fourth generation. In the Reform and the Conservative Jewish communities, the statistics are not much better. >From 100 'Reform' Jews in the first generation you have only 13 Reform left in the fourth generation!" >From 100 'Conservative' Jews in the first generation you have only 24 left in the fourth generation!" >From 100 'Orthodox' Jews in the first generation you have 2,587 in the fourth generation!" You might think this is a joke, but?it is actually TRUE.? See this diagram. ?These stats were?talked about by former Israeli Chief Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau when he attended a 3 day?Rabbinical conference held in Europe which proclaimed that the biggest problem facing Judaism today is assimilation in the Diaspora.? This is a concern for Jews, but to my Christian readers, the future 'looks' even bleaker for you. Christians in the United States and Europe are witnessing real threats to their way of life and their belief system. Ditto that for?almost all Westerners?in the USA and Europe who were born from Christian families but are?either secular or just believe, but are not church-goers.??Soon your culture and religion will not reign in the places where you call home.? Your grandchildren will be living in a much different world than you are living in and enjoying today. This video below states that your grandchildren will not be living in 'weestern societies' anymore, and that Islam will be the dominant religion of not only Europe, but the world.? The presentation starts a little slow, but stick with it, the information it is showing you will make you either finally take some action, or make you want to buy a ticket to the moon (no pun intended). ?Please see this video before continuing reading below. For the Jews however, there is good news?? Israel is daily becoming more and more religious. ?One may not see it in the media and the leadership sitting in their ivory towers, but facts on the ground cannot be denied.?There have never been more yeshivot and yeshiva learning in the country, and there has never been a stronger baal tshuva (returning to religious observance) movement in Israel.?Observant G-d fearing Jews are gradually taking over the army, with HALF of?the new combat?officers in the IDF being religious.??The education branch in Israel is?filling up with more religiously identifying Jews, at the same time that those, still secular, are leaving teaching?positions in the quest?of finding?higher paying jobs.? And to top it all off, Haredi?women are having 3 times as many children as secular women have.?Many other religious women all over Israel are also having large families.??My sister-in-law living in another re-settlement has 12 children,?my neighbor behind me has 13 children and other families in?YESHA??easily have 8-12 children.? In another phenomena, our kids are getting married earlier, they are not like their westernized parents looking to first get a 'career'. Half my daughter's classmates?who graduated with her 2 years ago, already opted to get married and not wait.??Many want to go to new hill tops and?raise lots of children!??It's a different head-set that we from the West are used to.? Think how these facts on the ground and our next generation are changing the country, and what it will look like in the near future.? So,?regarding?the die-hard Seculars, the Post Zionists, and the self-hating Jews, they are actually on the decline. The future is almost here, and it looks like it's going to be a Jewish one!? To my Jewish bretheren in the EXILE, come home now. ?There is no future for the Jewish People in the Exile. Your grandchildren may be living under 'Islamic rule'. Don't think that you have a lot of time.? Very soon, it may be impossible to take your savings and money that you have worked for, out of the country. ?Just yesterday I heard a news report that they are starting to go after Americans who are keeping their money in overseas accounts like the Cayman Islands, etc?? In a Bloomberg report, they stated that, "Obama?s plan also would make it riskier for Americans to stash money in tax-havens."? This may just be the begining. My brothers and sisters, if they are starting to go after businesses who want to keep their money?in?a bank or country of their choosing, then what's to stop them from going after the individual soon after?? We may be seeing a situation, as the financial crisis worsens, where the government, or even it's citizens may get angry and state, "If you made your money here in America, it stays in America.? If you want to leave, leave, but you're not taking 'OUR' money with you."? This has happened before when people could not take their possesions with them and had to leave with nothing but their lives - if they were lucky.??We don't need to stretch the imagination. ?Get out now while you still can with the fruits of your hard earned labor. ?If you?are blessed with having a fully paid-for home, sell it now and come.? If you?are only blessed with a car and a few belongings, sell what you can't take with you and come home now, before it may be too late. ?You obviously won't be boarding a plane tomorrow, but these things take time and planning, so start that planning now. ?www.NbN.org.il? Once a FIRM plan has been put in place, you can decide when to implement it. ?Without a plan, you are left to the wolves.? Come home -where the future is ?--otherwise your grandkids may be Moslem. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Margie Creech wrote: Hanoch, you're right, there is?no safe place for the Jew other than Israel.? I pray that our brothers will wake up and hear HaShem's warnings.?GO HOME!? Why can't we?learn from history? ?This is heavy on my heart almost?every minute of every day.??Prayer is of the utmost importance.? ? Margie? --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 4:59 AM Sometimes, the seemingly most innocuous articles contain a vital message......During the original debate on this issue in Norway, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" ? It seems that the Jews of Europe still haven't gotten the message that they are no longer welcome "guests."? Time to go home, while they still can....The Galut (Exile) is ending.. ?????????????Hanoch ? ? Published: 05/08/09, 11:52 AM Even After EU Vote, European Shechita Still in Danger ? by Hillel Fendel (IsraelNN.com) Despite the EU Parliament's vote Wednesday?to legalize ?shechita,??the Jewish method of humane animal slaughter is still very much in danger. It was reported on Thursday that the European Jewish Community ?hailed? the European Parliament?s vote to legalize the traditional Jewish method of slaughter into European law.?However, it was later clarified that in fact, the Parliament only has consultative status in this case, and that the European Union?s Council of Agricultural Ministers will have the final say when it convenes next month ?Shechita,? as the Jewish method?of animal slaughter is referred to in Hebrew,?is currently forbidden in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania; Switzerland permits shechita for poultry only. Switzerland and Norway are not member nations of the EU. Though the EU Parliament vote represents a significant victory for the coalition of the European Jewish Congress, as well the Conference of European Rabbis and Shechita EU, the fight is far from over. The Parliament resolved only to ?introduce laws? that would be binding across Europe to allow animal slaughter "in accordance with religious rites.? However, the final text of the proposed amendment to EU law will be brought before the above-mentioned Council in June ? but not necessarily in a manner favorable to Jewish interests. The Council, which will convene on June 22-23 in Brno, Czech Republic, will vote on a proposal to require that all animals be pre-stunned before slaughter. If the regulation passes, EU Member States would ban a practice that has been governed by halakhah (Jewish Law) and observed by Jews for thousands of years. Pre-stunning is forbidden by Jewish Law, and thus?a ban on kosher slaughter in the European Union may be a reality as of next month. A spokesperson for the European Jewish Congress, which has been spearheading efforts to legalize shechita all across Europe, confirmed to Israel National News that ?only if the Council decides to pass exactly the same proposal as amended by the Parliament will this change of legalization take place.?? The spokesperson further acknowledged that though the Council must take the Parliament vote into account, it is ?unlikely? that the same vote will pass in the Council. Melchior: "...no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? "The regulation must not be drafted to allow Governments in Europe to threaten our culture and our freedom to observe our religion," said Philip Carmel of the Conference of European Rabbis. "We will be working very closely with Member States to achieve a satisfactory outcome for all Jewish communities in Europe when they agree upon the final text in June."? Rabbi Michael Melchior, former chief rabbi of Norway and a former Knesset Member, has said that kosher slaughter is more humane than the more common methods of animal slaughter. "The shechitah process ensures that the animal loses consciousness immediately," he explained. "We have been dealing with this issue for many years, and there are many scientific studies that back us up." The anti-shechita campaign has been viewed as anti-Semitic by many Jews in Europe.? When Holland outlawed the kosher slaughter of large bulls in 2002, Rabbi Melchior responded, "They simply don't want foreigners, and they don't want Jews. I won't say this is the only motivation, but it's certainly no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? ?I also know,? the rabbi said, ?that during the original debate on this issue in Norway, where shechitah has been banned since 1930, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/3ca43e4f/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Fri May 8 12:14:00 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:14:00 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Tovia Singer Interview Up Message-ID: <89F21643-BDCB-4687-B8A0-89F5400D90A6@earthlink.net> My interview with Tovia Singer is up at: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/938 Shabbat Shalom! James From mhyde7 at tds.net Fri May 8 13:05:32 2009 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:05:32 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Pope visits Israel Message-ID: A friend named John sent this to me, I thought a new friend named John might get smile from this, everyone else is welcome to read it also. _____ Several centuries ago, the Pope decreed that all the Jews had to convert to Catholicism or leave Italy. There was a huge outcry from the Jewish community, so the Pope offered a deal. He'd have a religious debate with the leader of the Jewish community. If the Jews won, they could stay in Italy; if the Pope won, they'd have to convert or leave. The Jewish people met and picked an aged and wise rabbi to represent them in the debate. However, as the rabbi spoke no Italian, and the Pope spoke no Yiddish, they agreed that it would be a 'silent' debate. On the chosen day the Pope and rabbi sat opposite each other The Pope raised his hand and showed three fingers. The rabbi looked back and raised one finger. Next, the Pope waved his finger around his head. The rabbi pointed to the ground where he sat. The Pope brought out a communion wafer and a chalice of wine. The rabbi pulled out an apple. With that, the Pope stood up and declared himself beaten and said that the rabbi was too clever. The Jews could stay in Italy. Later the cardinals met with the Pope and asked him what had happened. The Pope said, 'First I held up three fingers to represent the Trinity. He responded by holding up a single finger to remind me there is still only one God common to both our beliefs. 'Then, I waved my finger around my head to show him that God was all around us. He responded by pointing to the ground to show that God was also right here with us. 'I pulled out the wine and wafer to show that God absolves us of all our sins. He pulled out an apple to remind me of the original sin. 'He bested me at every move and I could not continue.' Meanwhile, the Jewish community gathered to ask the Rabbi how he'd won. 'I haven't a clue' the Rabbi said. 'First, he told me that we had three days to get out of Italy, so I gave him the finger. 'Then he tells me that the whole country would be cleared of Jews and I told him that we were staying right here.' 'And then what?' asked a woman. 'Who knows?' said the Rabbi. 'He took out his lunch so I took out mine.' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/c060eda8/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Fri May 8 13:33:57 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:33:57 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Pope visits Israel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <792265214-1241807654-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1782931134-@bxe1195.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Excellent Marvin! Gotta remember that one. Shalom man. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "mhyde" Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:05:32 To: Subject: [Dialogue] Pope visits Israel _______________________________________________ From stephen at 777jesusislord.com Fri May 8 13:57:30 2009 From: stephen at 777jesusislord.com (stephen) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:57:30 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] holocaust prayre request a few dialogue's back References: <4A031397.B7BFA.264@pop.directnic.com> Message-ID: <4799E8F0DFEE420CBF5DAB9E62694B55@SEWVAC011> I've been thinking about the request for prayer / wisdom on how to talk to someone who could not get past the "why" of the holocaust in considering Hashem. Sometimes people give you, what to them, is a "socially accepted" excuse or reason, as a defense to keep from talking about what really bothers them. An example, when talking to a young person years ago, they brought up the problem of being a lesbian. And fortuitously I happened to pause, and look at her, "what is really bothering you?". It was a whole different subject. It was an eye opener to me, that most of us have "socially acceptable" "sins" or "reasons" which are in actuality, a defense to keep other people from the kernal inside. Whether the above even relates to this person or not, I obviously do not know. Wanted to pass on in case it helps. The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9 Stephen From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Fri May 8 18:33:46 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:33:46 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <050820092333.17610.4A04C1590009622C000044CA22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Hey Catherine and all, P emailed me today and said that it wasn't a thyroid problem but some sort of response of the carotid artery to a tooth cavity infection. Sounds like an immune response. In any case, she was much relieved as the doctors don't seem to think it is anything serious. But she is going have an ultrasound done next week. Thank you for your prayers, she is very appreciative. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from "Catherine Cashmore" : -------------- I'm praying John - let me know how things go, I've had thyroid problems myself and it can cause distress and confusion. C x -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/f79488d2/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Fri May 8 21:35:49 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. In-Reply-To: <050820092333.17610.4A04C1590009622C000044CA22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <523695.5479.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Praise HaShem!? I've been praying for P and I am so glad to hear that it is nothing serious. I'll continue to pray until we find out more.? Please keep us updated. ? Margie --- On Fri, 5/8/09, carlson_john at bellsouth.net wrote: From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 6:33 PM Hey Catherine and all, ? P emailed me today and said that it wasn't a thyroid problem but some sort of response of the carotid artery to a tooth cavity infection.? Sounds like an immune response.? In any case, she was much relieved as the doctors don't seem to think it is anything serious.? But she is going have an ultrasound done next week. ? Thank you for your prayers, she is very appreciative. ? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted ? -------------- Original message from "Catherine Cashmore" : -------------- I'm praying John - let me know how things go, I've had thyroid problems myself and it can cause distress and confusion.? C x_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/165e3f19/attachment.html From ptyler at aac-usa.com Fri May 8 21:57:18 2009 From: ptyler at aac-usa.com (Patty ) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 22:57:18 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. In-Reply-To: <050820092333.17610.4A04C1590009622C000044CA22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <050820092333.17610.4A04C1590009622C000044CA22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <001401c9d051$df798020$9e6c8060$@com> Hi John, so glad to hear that ?P? is going to be well. Shabbat Shalom! Patty From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:34 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Hey Catherine and all, P emailed me today and said that it wasn't a thyroid problem but some sort of response of the carotid artery to a tooth cavity infection. Sounds like an immune response. In any case, she was much relieved as the doctors don't seem to think it is anything serious. But she is going have an ultrasound done next week. Thank you for your prayers, she is very appreciative. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from "Catherine Cashmore" : -------------- I'm praying John - let me know how things go, I've had thyroid problems myself and it can cause distress and confusion. C x -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090508/cac8e07e/attachment.html From RNDAVAR at aol.com Sat May 9 00:02:50 2009 From: RNDAVAR at aol.com (RNDAVAR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 01:02:50 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] Sabbath Service - Emor Message-ID: I want to invite all of you to sign in and listen to the SHMA (SHabbat Morning Alive) service, Saturday morning (10:30 AM central time) on the web. You can access the class from the SWW site (_www.rootsoffaith.net_ (http://www.rootsoffaith.net) ). Select the "webcasts" tab and chose how you want to join in (live audio or live video). The Torah reading this Sabbath is Emor and contains among other things the Festivals (Leviticus 23). The service will follow the normal pattern, except that I will not be there. Have no fear though, John Carlson will teach a class. He is quite capable. This is the great thing about this group (local and otherwise). We are all students of Scripture and lovers of HaShem. After the teaching, the local congregation will read the Torah and Haphtarah and then Glenn Chatterton will facilitate the dialogue. He too is a very capable man. I don't want to leave anyone out. Carin Carlson, Sherry Cole, Madeline and my long time companion (my first congregant) in the quest, Dave Cole will be there to make it all available to the world via the internet. Each of these brings an interesting perspective to the study. Of course many of you who listen in live each week have become "regulars" and have good things to add. I hope that you all will listen in live. My family and I will be traveling to Pineville, Louisiana. My son, Ty, and daughter-in-law (Kathryn) graduate from college tomorrow morning. We are excited! Ty (my oldest son)begins medical school soon and this is his first step on the path that I feel God has put him on. He and his wife are incredible young people with a heart to change their world for the better. They both graduated with honors. Both of them study Hebrew and work tirelessly in the community to improve the lives of all that need help. I can think of no better way to honor their efforts and hope that you understand my absence. Plus, I get to spend the day with my oldest grandson (Asher - how you like that name?). He is 2 1/2 and loves his Saba:) I look forward to next Sabbath to be able to take up the noble cause and teach many of you from my studies. Moses of old is preached every Sabbath in the Synagogue. As the local group proved for many months, this is "with or without" Ross:) I will listen to the study when I return. Shabbat Shalom to all of you! Ross Ross K. Nichols _www.RootsofFaith.org_ (http://www.rootsoffaith.org/) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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Shalom, Avigail From: JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:14 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] JESSICA. Shalom Chaverim, it is with sadness that I break the news to you that this evening , Motzei Shabbat at 7:30 pm , Adelaide Australian time, Margaret, Jessica's mother passed away after a long illness. Jessica's mourning is tempered by the fact the long suffering of her dear mother is finally at an end and that she can finally rest in peace. For those of you who are close with Jessica you will still have her email address. If you have misplaced it, please send me a personal email and I will forward it to you. My love and condolences go out to Jessica and family. Margaret did not quite make it to mother's day. But mother's day will be remembered in her family for a long time. May Margaret rest in peace. May HaShem accept her spirit in all loving mercy. 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Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from JOE INDOMENICO : -------------- Shalom Chaverim, it is with sadness that I break the news to you that this evening , Motzei Shabbat at 7:30 pm , Adelaide Australian time, Margaret, Jessica's mother passed away after a long illness. Jessica's mourning is tempered by the fact the long suffering of her dear mother is finally at an end and that she can finally rest in peace. For those of you who are close with Jessica you will still have her email address. If you have misplaced it, please send me a personal email and I will forward it to you. My love and condolences go out to Jessica and family. Margaret did not quite make it to mother's day. But mother's day will be remembered in her family for a long time. May Margaret rest in peace. May HaShem accept her spirit in all loving mercy. Amen Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Grazie Mamma , che HaShem ti dara' il riposo eterno. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090509/43c51fce/attachment.html From ptyler at aac-usa.com Sat May 9 20:40:04 2009 From: ptyler at aac-usa.com (Patty ) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 21:40:04 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] JESSICA. In-Reply-To: <4A05819B.60805@westnet.com.au> References: <4A05819B.60805@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <00b501c9d110$3ff03ac0$bfd0b040$@com> Shalom Joe, May Margaret have a peaceful and blessed passing to be with Our Eternal. I pray that you and Jessica are comforted in your loss. Love, Patty From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:14 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] JESSICA. Shalom Chaverim, it is with sadness that I break the news to you that this evening , Motzei Shabbat at 7:30 pm , Adelaide Australian time, Margaret, Jessica's mother passed away after a long illness. Jessica's mourning is tempered by the fact the long suffering of her dear mother is finally at an end and that she can finally rest in peace. For those of you who are close with Jessica you will still have her email address. If you have misplaced it, please send me a personal email and I will forward it to you. My love and condolences go out to Jessica and family. Margaret did not quite make it to mother's day. But mother's day will be remembered in her family for a long time. May Margaret rest in peace. May HaShem accept her spirit in all loving mercy. Amen Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090509/8e927297/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Sat May 9 21:22:53 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] JESSICA. In-Reply-To: <4A05819B.60805@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <57230.65631.qm@web82506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Joe: ? Thank you for making us aware of Jessica's loss. Please send her my sincere sympathy. My prayers and thoughts?are with her at this very sad time in her life. A mother's death is like no other's to us. ? Shalom and kind regards. ? Helen --- On Sat, 5/9/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Dialogue] JESSICA. To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:14 AM Shalom Chaverim, it is with sadness that I break the news to you that this evening , Motzei Shabbat at 7:30 pm , Adelaide Australian time, Margaret, Jessica's mother passed away after a long illness. Jessica's mourning is tempered by the fact the long suffering of her dear mother is finally at an end and that she can finally rest in peace. For those of you who are close with Jessica you will still have her email address. If you have misplaced it, please send me a personal email and I will forward it to you. My love and condolences go out to Jessica and family. Margaret did not quite make it to mother's day. But mother's day will be remembered in her family for a long time. May Margaret rest in peace. May HaShem accept her spirit in all loving mercy. Amen Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090509/598eb9e4/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Sat May 9 21:27:16 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. In-Reply-To: <4A057E81.6080004@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <176099.77332.qm@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Joe: ? What a beautiful tribute to your mother. From her photograph she had a very warm and kind smile and a lovely and gracious looking lady. ? Thank you for your wishes for Mothers' day to all of the mothers on the list. How thoughtful of you! ? Shalom and kind regards, ? Helen --- On Sat, 5/9/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:00 AM Shalom Chaverim, on Mother's day 2002 my Mother Tina was laid to rest. Her memory lives on . This is a tribute to my mother and all the wonderful things she gave to me and all those that she loved and cherished. This is also for those of you who have lost their dear mothers. May this mother's day bring warm and loving feelings to you all. Grazie Mamma , che HaShem ti dara' il riposo eterno. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090509/b8714752/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Sat May 9 22:16:17 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 20:16:17 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. In-Reply-To: <176099.77332.qm@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4A057E81.6080004@westnet.com.au> <176099.77332.qm@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <855590370905092016t50f0b7a6j345d1602e5feac53@mail.gmail.com> Dear Joe, At this point in my life, there are very few posts that effect me dramatically, but your touching email about your beloved mother Of Blessed Memory, certainly did. Considering what you've become in life - just must have been an extraordinary woman. May her memory always be cherished for a blessing...and I can think of a few projects in Israel where her name and all that she was about, can carry on forever. I KNOW that you are already on that page... B'Ahava, * Hanoch * On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Helen Lusk wrote: > Dear Joe: > > What a beautiful tribute to your mother. From her photograph she had a very > warm and kind smile and a lovely and gracious looking lady. > > Thank you for your wishes for Mothers' day to all of the mothers on the > list. How thoughtful of you! > > Shalom and kind regards, > > Helen > > --- On *Sat, 5/9/09, JOE INDOMENICO * wrote: > > From: JOE INDOMENICO > Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:00 AM > > > *Shalom Chaverim, > > on Mother's day 2002 my Mother Tina was laid to rest. > > Her memory lives on . > This is a tribute to my mother and all the wonderful things she gave to me > and all those that she loved and cherished. > > This is also for those of you who have lost their dear mothers. > May this mother's day bring warm and loving feelings to you all. > > Grazie Mamma , che HaShem ti dara' il riposo eterno. > > Shalom v'Ahavah > JOE. > * > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090509/3a7d9418/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Sat May 9 23:10:35 2009 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 23:10:35 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Seeking advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0905092110g646effb9pe91e49727e91c470@mail.gmail.com> I don't know if this helps but I feel that Psalms 102 is referring to the Holocaust and the creation of the State of Israel. I also believe that while the Holocaust is the greatest tragedy of our time, it is somehow connected to all of us (those scattered among the nations and other G-d-fearing non-Jews) awakening to who we are and thus feeling the pull to HaShem, Torah, & Israel. He is probably fearful also that it will happen again. I will be praying for him. Kim On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Catherine Cashmore wrote: > > > I am working with a Jewish man - surname Cohen. He is a wonderful guy - > he attended a strict orthodox school as a boy, but now has lost much of his > faith in HaShem. We had a conversation tonight about his beliefs, and why > he has moved away from his orthodox background (although his children attend > Jewish School). I'm sure many of you must have come across his argument for > not believing often, and I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice > on how to answer him. He can't get past the Holocaust - how/why did it > happen - why did HaShem allow it. I've used scriptural references, and > talked about the Hope of Israel, but even with all of that it's hard to get > past the deep feelings he has. I was wondering if anyone had any advice on > this. I'd love to be able to assist him to come closer to HaShem, and I > feel terribly un educated to do so. > > C xx > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They talked about the Pope's visit to Israel as well as the Vatican's claim on the holy places on Mt Zion. They also talked about Tabor's work on the historical Jesus and his latest book, Restoring Abrahamic Faith. See more details and RSVP on A Synagogue Without Walls: http://www.rootsoffaith.net/events/event/show?id=2230384%3AEvent%3A11605&xgi=fqjMzAD If your email program doesn't recognize the web address above as an active link, please copy and paste it into your web browser -------------------- About A Synagogue Without Walls A place of meeting for anyone that believes in the one God of Israel and seeks to live according to the principles of the Hebrew Bible. 174 members 435 photos 143 songs 141 discussions 16 Events 44 blog posts -------------------- To control which emails you receive on the corner, or to opt-out, go to: http://www.rootsoffaith.net/profiles/profile/emailSettings -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/a5827620/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Sun May 10 00:02:20 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:02:20 +1000 Subject: Subject: [Dialogue] JESSICA Message-ID: That's heart breaking Joe. I will also pray for her. Your words are very touching. C x -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/82bdff85/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sun May 10 00:08:08 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:08:08 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] JESSICA. In-Reply-To: <00b501c9d110$3ff03ac0$bfd0b040$@com> References: <4A05819B.60805@westnet.com.au> <00b501c9d110$3ff03ac0$bfd0b040$@com> Message-ID: <6682D10B5E9F4E8C901B75508AD41AA6@bettylaptop> Dear Joe, Thank you so much for letting us know about Jessica's Mum. I know that she had such a struggle and it was so hard for Jessica to see her suffering. I did send Jessica a personal email and will keep her in my prayers. Love & Shavua tov, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Patty Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:40 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] JESSICA. Shalom Joe, May Margaret have a peaceful and blessed passing to be with Our Eternal. I pray that you and Jessica are comforted in your loss. Love, Patty From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:14 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] JESSICA. Shalom Chaverim, it is with sadness that I break the news to you that this evening , Motzei Shabbat at 7:30 pm , Adelaide Australian time, Margaret, Jessica's mother passed away after a long illness. Jessica's mourning is tempered by the fact the long suffering of her dear mother is finally at an end and that she can finally rest in peace. For those of you who are close with Jessica you will still have her email address. If you have misplaced it, please send me a personal email and I will forward it to you. My love and condolences go out to Jessica and family. Margaret did not quite make it to mother's day. But mother's day will be remembered in her family for a long time. May Margaret rest in peace. May HaShem accept her spirit in all loving mercy. Amen Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/62e9a8a7/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sun May 10 00:19:25 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:19:25 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. In-Reply-To: <4A057E81.6080004@westnet.com.au> References: <4A057E81.6080004@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: Joe, what a beautiful photo of your Mother, Tina! What a warm and loving smile! I know you were blessed to have her as your mother. I know Mother's Day for you must be bitter sweet for you. You are in my thoughts in prayers this evening as it is already "tomorrow" for you! Thank you for the tribute and the warm wishes to all of us who have lost our mothers. James and I lost our Mother almost two years ago at age 90. Shalom v'ahavah Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:01 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. Shalom Chaverim, on Mother's day 2002 my Mother Tina was laid to rest. Her memory lives on . This is a tribute to my mother and all the wonderful things she gave to me and all those that she loved and cherished. This is also for those of you who have lost their dear mothers. May this mother's day bring warm and loving feelings to you all. Grazie Mamma , che HaShem ti dara' il riposo eterno. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/0b7179cb/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sun May 10 00:33:38 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:33:38 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3305289B66074682B8364D7ADBCA7844@bettylaptop> Thank you, John for letting us know. Baruch HaShem for the good news! Shalom v'Ahavah Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Cashmore Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:49 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Prayer Request Oh John! That's wonderful news! I'm so glad and relieved to hear it wasn't anything serious. I prayed for her last night and today. Baruch HaShem! Since belonging to SWW I have learnt much about the importance of faith, belief, and fellowship. I feel humbled. Much love, Catherine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/f8bb40e2/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sun May 10 00:49:03 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:49:03 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] Tovia Singer Interview Up] In-Reply-To: <4A056D60.3000403@westnet.com.au> References: <4A056D60.3000403@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <065A5211ACF942DAACD1EEF2751C2C2D@bettylaptop> I heard the interview and thought it was amazing, and it is not just because you are my brother, James! Great points! Even though the time was too short, I think the points that you and Tovia wanted to get across about the Pope and his claim to parts of Mt. Zion are very ludicrous. Plus the points you were able to at least touch on regarding the true history of who Jesus was and how Christianity actually began had to have an impact. Hopefully it will get whet people's appetite enough to at least go to your websites, even if it is for the purpose of trying to refute what you were saying. I sent the link to our rabbi and also to the president of our synagogue and plan to send it to a couple of other members that I think would be interested.. I too hope for an encore soon as well. It would be terrific if you and Tovia could do a road tour, but you'd better be careful not to walk too close to one of those mikvehs Tovia was talking about or he might just give you a push! I loved that one as well as your simple explanation as to why you are not planning on converting. Love and shavua tov, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 6:48 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] Tovia Singer Interview Up] Shavua Tov James, Thenk you for the link as I was unable to listen live due to work commitments. I enjoyed the interview but time was too short. I hope for an encore soon. The topics were riveting at times but beaten by the bell. You mentioned the Orthodox Christian battlefield in Yerushalayim. If I may I would like to attach a very good documentary that was done by the Australian ABC network on this very issue. As you mentioned The Israelis are the only ones that can keep law and order. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Zz-v12ENU Shalom JOE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4A057E81.6080004@westnet.com.au> References: <4A057E81.6080004@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: Joe, I totally missed your Mom's photo until I read Helen's note to you. I just now saw her beautiful face. So glad you shared with us this most special Tribute To Tina. What a lovely thing to do. Avigail From: JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:00 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. Shalom Chaverim, on Mother's day 2002 my Mother Tina was laid to rest. Her memory lives on . This is a tribute to my mother and all the wonderful things she gave to me and all those that she loved and cherished. This is also for those of you who have lost their dear mothers. May this mother's day bring warm and loving feelings to you all. Grazie Mamma , che HaShem ti dara' il riposo eterno. 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From: James Tabor Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:49 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Invited Back on Tovia Singer Show It looks like I will make an encore visit with Tovia Singer this coming Wednesday, May 13th at 3pm EST live, YHVH willing. See below. James Tabor P.S. Ross, can you post this on your SWW Web site and also send to your wider e-mail list... Begin forwarded message: From: Toviasinger1 at aol.com Date: May 9, 2009 7:09:16 PM EDT To: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Subject: Can you come back this week? There has been a huge demand from the listeners that I have you back on this week. With the pope in Israel in the coming days, can you join me Wednesday afternoon at 3 pm NY time? We will, no doubt, have so much to discuss. With love of Zion, Tovia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/ab27d7f5/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Sun May 10 11:19:48 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:19:48 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. In-Reply-To: <4A06C673.3060203@westnet.com.au> References: <4A06C673.3060203@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4A06FEA4.5030204@gninc.ca> Dear Joe I am envious of all of you who can relate to a dear mother on mothers day. My mother, with a very few though precious memories, passed away far to young, when I was 5. I could not grasp what was going on. My own dear wife has warned me recently, not to get her a mothers day card. ( yes, I know it is a bipolar symptom) I guess i must seem very callous to her, which i can not describe in words what that does to me. It makes me feel like I truly must be a nobody. Maybe that explains why I appear so cold to express what you others can do with such warmth. My heart is broken, to put it mildly. Maybe I should have written this to you personally, which I thought I had done in the letter to Pat, but found out it some how was addressed to the dialogue. Cornie JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > /Shalom Chaverim, > > I just returned home from visiting my father and sister in Brisbane > today with Heidi and I was overwhelmed by your touching emails. You > all brought tears of joy to my heart beyond imagination. Thank you all > for loving and tender words. > > I paid my respects at the cemetery to my loving mother Tina. > > Yes Margie she was beautiful in all aspects of her life. Physically > and spiritually. She taught me the importance in life of always making > deposits and never extracting withdrawals so that at the moment of > death you would never be spiritually and morally bankrupt. She was a > trillionaire through and through. I wish I could be a fraction of her. > > Helen, I will never forget her smile. The photo was taken before she > fell ill. Even though she deteriorated physically , she never lost > that smile. Two years before she died I was able to get her a Bible in > Italian. I was so proud of her when I used to walk into the dialysis > unit at hospital and she her engrossed in reading whilst all the other > ladies were reading junk women's magazines. When she saw me she would > get all excited and that smile when she would read to me her favourite > passages about Israel and HaShem's grace. One of her favourite > passages was the confession of Ruth's love for Naomi and the G-d of > Israel. This was read together with Isaiah 43 v 1-5 at her funeral. > > Hanoch, Achi, what can I say ... your words really touched a soft spot > in my heart. I am sure that you also today remembered your mother > Zeisel, of blessed memory. I know that we have spoken about this > before but you are also a wonderful product of maternal love. Her > guidance and encouragement of love is a genuine tribute to the way > that you also reared your beautiful daughters Ayala and Kyra. The way > that you instilled Emunah and Ahavat HaShem v'Yisrael in your > daughters is the ultimate testimony on the worth of a righteous > mother. We both won jackpot in this aspect of life. > Your kind words towards the living memory of my mother are very > humbling. She loved Israel and she always mourned for the mothers of > the victims of homicide bombings . I recall one day that she was not > feeling all that well and I tried to comfort her. That very day the > terrorists killed all those beautiful young Israeli teenage girls at > the disco in Tel Aviv. Even though my mother was in pain she commented > that her pain was for the mothers of the innocent victims of the cruel > bombings. May HaShem avenge their innocent blood. > My mother never visited Israel but Israel visited her. In her grave I > poured a small bucket of soil from Yerushalayim, a small bottle of > stream water from the River Jordan, a small piece of timber from an > olive tree in the Galilee and an olive leaf from the Garden of > Gethsemane. These we given to my mother by a friend and she cherised > them so much that she requested to be buried with them. From the > moment I shared the Emet of the Tanach with my mother she instantly > became converted, even though she was brought up as a Catholic. I am > still amazed to this very day. Not one if, what or maybe. Thanks again > Achi. > > Elisheva, you also would have felt this day together with James and > your family with the loss of your mother Hazel Mae. > Mothers , aren't they the most precious expression of HaShem's > unconditional love. > That is the bitter sweet that you speak of. The sweetness of the > wonderful memories and the bitter of not hearing, seeing and touching > them. > In my life, I must admit that the women are a special blessing. The > theme of unconditional love is always the undercurrent. My mother and > I would not be here but for the love and grace of my grandmother Maria. > My Nonna Maria had 22 babies of which only 6 survived past the first year. > My Grandfather Carmelo went to Argentina to work in order to support > the family. They had five children at the time. > Well he did support them for the first 6 months and then shacked up > with a muchacha from Beunos Aires and forgot about his wife and children. > Nonna Maria was left to raise 5 children on her own. These were the > years during and after the depression. All she could do was bake > bread. So she scrounged a living . > After 9 years there was a knock on the door and it was my grandfather. > She took him back , no questions asked. She forgave him > unconditionally. They resumed their marriage. > At the age of 50 my grandmother was pregnant with my mother, well > after her menopause. > During child birth , 3 times both my grandmother and mother almost > died. In fact , my mother was baptized three times by three different > nurses because they thought she would die. Because of this my mother > was given 3 NAMES. > Baruch HaShem. The power of unconditional love , grace and forgiveness. > > Ross, thank you for your kind words of support. I appreciate them very > much. > Please cherish your mother while she is alive and never get tired of > telling her how much you love her. > > I hope that all the mothers on the dialogue list are having a warm and > loving day with the families. > May HaShem grant you all the love and respect that you deserve. You > are all wonderful . > > Finally, I was given a treat by my father today during my visit. > He gave me an old photograph of Mamma Tina and yours truely while we > were still living in Sicily. I was two years old. > Thank you HaShem for my Papa' > > Shalom v'Ahavah > JOE. > / > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/3569580e/attachment.html From shdennis at rogers.com Sun May 10 12:02:27 2009 From: shdennis at rogers.com (Stephen & Sharon) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:02:27 -0300 Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. In-Reply-To: <4A06FEA4.5030204@gninc.ca> References: <4A06C673.3060203@westnet.com.au> <4A06FEA4.5030204@gninc.ca> Message-ID: Dearest Cornie, You express thoughts and emotions which are, I would guess, not unfamiliar to many of us - bless you! All will be restored and healed as we move closer to the great redemption. B"H! Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: Cornie Reimer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. Dear Joe I am envious of all of you who can relate to a dear mother on mothers day. My mother, with a very few though precious memories, passed away far to young, when I was 5. I could not grasp what was going on. My own dear wife has warned me recently, not to get her a mothers day card. ( yes, I know it is a bipolar symptom) I guess i must seem very callous to her, which i can not describe in words what that does to me. It makes me feel like I truly must be a nobody. Maybe that explains why I appear so cold to express what you others can do with such warmth. My heart is broken, to put it mildly. Maybe I should have written this to you personally, which I thought I had done in the letter to Pat, but found out it some how was addressed to the dialogue. Cornie JOE INDOMENICO wrote: Shalom Chaverim, I just returned home from visiting my father and sister in Brisbane today with Heidi and I was overwhelmed by your touching emails. You all brought tears of joy to my heart beyond imagination. Thank you all for loving and tender words. I paid my respects at the cemetery to my loving mother Tina. Yes Margie she was beautiful in all aspects of her life. Physically and spiritually. She taught me the importance in life of always making deposits and never extracting withdrawals so that at the moment of death you would never be spiritually and morally bankrupt. She was a trillionaire through and through. I wish I could be a fraction of her. Helen, I will never forget her smile. The photo was taken before she fell ill. Even though she deteriorated physically , she never lost that smile. Two years before she died I was able to get her a Bible in Italian. I was so proud of her when I used to walk into the dialysis unit at hospital and she her engrossed in reading whilst all the other ladies were reading junk women's magazines. When she saw me she would get all excited and that smile when she would read to me her favourite passages about Israel and HaShem's grace. One of her favourite passages was the confession of Ruth's love for Naomi and the G-d of Israel. This was read together with Isaiah 43 v 1-5 at her funeral. Hanoch, Achi, what can I say ... your words really touched a soft spot in my heart. I am sure that you also today remembered your mother Zeisel, of blessed memory. I know that we have spoken about this before but you are also a wonderful product of maternal love. Her guidance and encouragement of love is a genuine tribute to the way that you also reared your beautiful daughters Ayala and Kyra. The way that you instilled Emunah and Ahavat HaShem v'Yisrael in your daughters is the ultimate testimony on the worth of a righteous mother. We both won jackpot in this aspect of life. Your kind words towards the living memory of my mother are very humbling. She loved Israel and she always mourned for the mothers of the victims of homicide bombings . I recall one day that she was not feeling all that well and I tried to comfort her. That very day the terrorists killed all those beautiful young Israeli teenage girls at the disco in Tel Aviv. Even though my mother was in pain she commented that her pain was for the mothers of the innocent victims of the cruel bombings. May HaShem avenge their innocent blood. My mother never visited Israel but Israel visited her. In her grave I poured a small bucket of soil from Yerushalayim, a small bottle of stream water from the River Jordan, a small piece of timber from an olive tree in the Galilee and an olive leaf from the Garden of Gethsemane. These we given to my mother by a friend and she cherised them so much that she requested to be buried with them. From the moment I shared the Emet of the Tanach with my mother she instantly became converted, even though she was brought up as a Catholic. I am still amazed to this very day. Not one if, what or maybe. Thanks again Achi. Elisheva, you also would have felt this day together with James and your family with the loss of your mother Hazel Mae. Mothers , aren't they the most precious expression of HaShem's unconditional love. That is the bitter sweet that you speak of. The sweetness of the wonderful memories and the bitter of not hearing, seeing and touching them. In my life, I must admit that the women are a special blessing. The theme of unconditional love is always the undercurrent. My mother and I would not be here but for the love and grace of my grandmother Maria. My Nonna Maria had 22 babies of which only 6 survived past the first year. My Grandfather Carmelo went to Argentina to work in order to support the family. They had five children at the time. Well he did support them for the first 6 months and then shacked up with a muchacha from Beunos Aires and forgot about his wife and children. Nonna Maria was left to raise 5 children on her own. These were the years during and after the depression. All she could do was bake bread. So she scrounged a living . After 9 years there was a knock on the door and it was my grandfather. She took him back , no questions asked. She forgave him unconditionally. They resumed their marriage. At the age of 50 my grandmother was pregnant with my mother, well after her menopause. During child birth , 3 times both my grandmother and mother almost died. In fact , my mother was baptized three times by three different nurses because they thought she would die. Because of this my mother was given 3 NAMES. Baruch HaShem. The power of unconditional love , grace and forgiveness. Ross, thank you for your kind words of support. I appreciate them very much. Please cherish your mother while she is alive and never get tired of telling her how much you love her. I hope that all the mothers on the dialogue list are having a warm and loving day with the families. May HaShem grant you all the love and respect that you deserve. You are all wonderful . Finally, I was given a treat by my father today during my visit. He gave me an old photograph of Mamma Tina and yours truely while we were still living in Sicily. I was two years old. Thank you HaShem for my Papa' Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/80f6151e/attachment.html From shdennis at rogers.com Sun May 10 12:03:31 2009 From: shdennis at rogers.com (Stephen & Sharon) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:03:31 -0300 Subject: [Dialogue] Where have all the Jewish mothers gone? Message-ID: <6152160E858B482085C7B7F0ACFBCCA2@Beeblebrox> Where have all the Jewish mothers gone? May. 9, 2009 abe novick , THE JERUSALEM POST Alex Kat'z Blue Umbrella 2 from the 'Alex Katz paints Ada' exhibition of paintings at the Jewish Museum in New York in 2007.Photo: Courtesy Peter Blum Gallery Upon returning from a preemptive Passover pilgrimage to mom's house in Massachusetts, prior to Mother's Day, it dawned on me how the symbolism of Jewish motherhood has gotten yanked away from us over the ages. Along with so many other notions that are now inherently part of Christianity and Islam, motherhood too got morphed into Mary. It seemed everywhere I looked in my old hometown, there were statues of Mary with her arms stretched out in adoring fashion. In front of churches, on top of them and among the shrubbery in front - she was ubiquitous in the largely Portuguese enclave of southeastern Massachusetts. How did Mary, a nice Jewish girl, become so dominant a figure by paradoxically embracing motherhood and virginity at the same time? She's part of an ongoing pattern. First there was Jesus. He was our guy and then - they stole him. Then the Sabbath got moved from the seventh day, Saturday, to the numerically dyslexic seventh day of Sunday. But taking a Jewish mother (saints that they all are) and with a strange Midas touch mass-producing them into plastic ornaments, statues and collectibles is like downloading music for free without attributing the rights to the original artists. In many forms of Christianity, the venerated symbol of Mary has assumed so much power she casts a shadow over her son. Right there, it would seem to me we have a direct patent infringement! And while the impact of a Jewish mother has weighed heavily on sons like myself, their presence in pop culture has dissipated. WHO CAN STILL remember Nancy Walker, as Rhoda's mom? Or, Mrs. Goldberg? If you can, is there a top-of-mind, contemporary icon of such Q rated strength today? Motherhood isn't just another holiday either. Look, we all understand how Christmas eats Hanukka's lunch. And the movie isn't called Passover Pageant; it's called Easter Parade. Let's admit that we've come to accept a certain level of defeat while still celebrating our historic victories and making what we have as awesome as possible. But motherhood is where we need to draw the line. They say when a brand is lost, it should go back to its roots. Some brands do and are revived (think Apple) and others veer off and don't (think Cadillac which combated sagging sales by coming out with muscle trucks). The Amida in our shul's new prayer book (Siddur Eit Ratzon) makes reference not only to our patriarchs, but Sarah, Rebekkah, Rachel and Leah as well. Perhaps if more shuls incorporated this approach and got across the understanding to our youth that we have some pretty mighty matriarchs of our own, they would realize their song, in its original form, was pretty cool too. A lot of us today look back at our rich maternal heritage as if they are staring at a phonograph record wondering, "what is it?" and "how does it work?" It's time we raised our matriarchs' profiles to their rightful place. As America's Mother's Day approaches and as a Jewish son whose mom is still plucky at 90 and still living in the same house I grew up in by herself, her oomph has inspired me to hang on and fight for that last piece of mother's earth we own. Flying back on Southwest from our Passover visit, the inescapable linguistic irony wasn't lost on me, as I flew on Easter weekend between Massachusetts and home to Maryland and touching down on the ground, my children ran into their mother's arms. As a husband who has had to play the role of Mr. Mom on many occasions, and with an economy creating even more of us, perhaps it's a way of God giving us a lesson on how the other half lives. Now it's time to embrace how they live, and love them ever more for it. The writer is based in Baltimore and works in communications. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/d689f748/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 8001 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/d689f748/attachment.jpe From bkgivin at charter.net Sun May 10 12:48:58 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 12:48:58 -0500 Subject: Cornie [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. In-Reply-To: References: <4A06C673.3060203@westnet.com.au> <4A06FEA4.5030204@gninc.ca> Message-ID: <6EC368A7ACEF47A69CBBBD88F8AB1CEE@bettylaptop> Dear Cornie, I am so sorry to hear of your broken heart. As Sharon so lovingly said below, I am sure there are others who would have similar thoughts and emotions, yet all will be restored and healed. Life it seems is filled with so much pain, if not the loss of a mother at an early age or a wife who cannot embrace your love for her with a full heart, then the loss of a child or a husband or father. Yet we know that HaShem is "close to the brokenhearted" and saves those who have a "contrite spirit." (Psa 34:19). Also Psalms 147:3 "He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds. He counts the number of the stars; he calls them by their names." This last verse is incredible to me as it speaks of the HaShem's individual children on a person basis, those who are brokenhearted, and says that He will bind up their wounds.and this is the same G-D who counts the number of starts and calls them by name!!! Utterly phenomenal! If ever there was a person with a contrite spirit, Cornie, it is you! HaShem loves you so very much. Bask in that love and let Him bind up your wounds. I believe that your post needed to be addressed to all of us. We all love you too and are always here for you. Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Stephen & Sharon Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:02 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. Dearest Cornie, You express thoughts and emotions which are, I would guess, not unfamiliar to many of us - bless you! All will be restored and healed as we move closer to the great redemption. B"H! Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: Cornie Reimer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. Dear Joe I am envious of all of you who can relate to a dear mother on mothers day. My mother, with a very few though precious memories, passed away far to young, when I was 5. I could not grasp what was going on. My own dear wife has warned me recently, not to get her a mothers day card. ( yes, I know it is a bipolar symptom) I guess i must seem very callous to her, which i can not describe in words what that does to me. It makes me feel like I truly must be a nobody. Maybe that explains why I appear so cold to express what you others can do with such warmth. My heart is broken, to put it mildly. Maybe I should have written this to you personally, which I thought I had done in the letter to Pat, but found out it some how was addressed to the dialogue. Cornie JOE INDOMENICO wrote: Shalom Chaverim, I just returned home from visiting my father and sister in Brisbane today with Heidi and I was overwhelmed by your touching emails. You all brought tears of joy to my heart beyond imagination. Thank you all for loving and tender words. I paid my respects at the cemetery to my loving mother Tina. Yes Margie she was beautiful in all aspects of her life. Physically and spiritually. She taught me the importance in life of always making deposits and never extracting withdrawals so that at the moment of death you would never be spiritually and morally bankrupt. She was a trillionaire through and through. I wish I could be a fraction of her. Helen, I will never forget her smile. The photo was taken before she fell ill. Even though she deteriorated physically , she never lost that smile. Two years before she died I was able to get her a Bible in Italian. I was so proud of her when I used to walk into the dialysis unit at hospital and she her engrossed in reading whilst all the other ladies were reading junk women's magazines. When she saw me she would get all excited and that smile when she would read to me her favourite passages about Israel and HaShem's grace. One of her favourite passages was the confession of Ruth's love for Naomi and the G-d of Israel. This was read together with Isaiah 43 v 1-5 at her funeral. Hanoch, Achi, what can I say ... your words really touched a soft spot in my heart. I am sure that you also today remembered your mother Zeisel, of blessed memory. I know that we have spoken about this before but you are also a wonderful product of maternal love. Her guidance and encouragement of love is a genuine tribute to the way that you also reared your beautiful daughters Ayala and Kyra. The way that you instilled Emunah and Ahavat HaShem v'Yisrael in your daughters is the ultimate testimony on the worth of a righteous mother. We both won jackpot in this aspect of life. Your kind words towards the living memory of my mother are very humbling. She loved Israel and she always mourned for the mothers of the victims of homicide bombings . I recall one day that she was not feeling all that well and I tried to comfort her. That very day the terrorists killed all those beautiful young Israeli teenage girls at the disco in Tel Aviv. Even though my mother was in pain she commented that her pain was for the mothers of the innocent victims of the cruel bombings. May HaShem avenge their innocent blood. My mother never visited Israel but Israel visited her. In her grave I poured a small bucket of soil from Yerushalayim, a small bottle of stream water from the River Jordan, a small piece of timber from an olive tree in the Galilee and an olive leaf from the Garden of Gethsemane. These we given to my mother by a friend and she cherised them so much that she requested to be buried with them. >From the moment I shared the Emet of the Tanach with my mother she instantly became converted, even though she was brought up as a Catholic. I am still amazed to this very day. Not one if, what or maybe. Thanks again Achi. Elisheva, you also would have felt this day together with James and your family with the loss of your mother Hazel Mae. Mothers , aren't they the most precious expression of HaShem's unconditional love. That is the bitter sweet that you speak of. The sweetness of the wonderful memories and the bitter of not hearing, seeing and touching them. In my life, I must admit that the women are a special blessing. The theme of unconditional love is always the undercurrent. My mother and I would not be here but for the love and grace of my grandmother Maria. My Nonna Maria had 22 babies of which only 6 survived past the first year. My Grandfather Carmelo went to Argentina to work in order to support the family. They had five children at the time. Well he did support them for the first 6 months and then shacked up with a muchacha from Beunos Aires and forgot about his wife and children. Nonna Maria was left to raise 5 children on her own. These were the years during and after the depression. All she could do was bake bread. So she scrounged a living . After 9 years there was a knock on the door and it was my grandfather. She took him back , no questions asked. She forgave him unconditionally. They resumed their marriage. At the age of 50 my grandmother was pregnant with my mother, well after her menopause. During child birth , 3 times both my grandmother and mother almost died. In fact , my mother was baptized three times by three different nurses because they thought she would die. Because of this my mother was given 3 NAMES. Baruch HaShem. The power of unconditional love , grace and forgiveness. Ross, thank you for your kind words of support. I appreciate them very much. Please cherish your mother while she is alive and never get tired of telling her how much you love her. I hope that all the mothers on the dialogue list are having a warm and loving day with the families. May HaShem grant you all the love and respect that you deserve. You are all wonderful . Finally, I was given a treat by my father today during my visit. He gave me an old photograph of Mamma Tina and yours truely while we were still living in Sicily. I was two years old. Thank you HaShem for my Papa' Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. _____ _______________________________________________ _____ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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May. 9, 2009 abe novick , THE JERUSALEM POST Satellite.jpg Alex Kat'z Blue Umbrella 2 from the 'Alex Katz paints Ada' exhibition of paintings at the Jewish Museum in New York in 2007.Photo: Courtesy Peter Blum Gallery Upon returning from a preemptive Passover pilgrimage to mom's house in Massachusetts, prior to Mother's Day, it dawned on me how the symbolism of Jewish motherhood has gotten yanked away from us over the ages. Along with so many other notions that are now inherently part of Christianity and Islam, motherhood too got morphed into Mary. It seemed everywhere I looked in my old hometown, there were statues of Mary with her arms stretched out in adoring fashion. In front of churches, on top of them and among the shrubbery in front - she was ubiquitous in the largely Portuguese enclave of southeastern Massachusetts. How did Mary, a nice Jewish girl, become so dominant a figure by paradoxically embracing motherhood and virginity at the same time? She's part of an ongoing pattern. First there was Jesus. He was our guy and then - they stole him. Then the Sabbath got moved from the seventh day, Saturday, to the numerically dyslexic seventh day of Sunday. But taking a Jewish mother (saints that they all are) and with a strange Midas touch mass-producing them into plastic ornaments, statues and collectibles is like downloading music for free without attributing the rights to the original artists. In many forms of Christianity, the venerated symbol of Mary has assumed so much power she casts a shadow over her son. Right there, it would seem to me we have a direct patent infringement! And while the impact of a Jewish mother has weighed heavily on sons like myself, their presence in pop culture has dissipated. WHO CAN STILL remember Nancy Walker, as Rhoda's mom? Or, Mrs. Goldberg? If you can, is there a top-of-mind, contemporary icon of such Q rated strength today? Motherhood isn't just another holiday either. Look, we all understand how Christmas eats Hanukka's lunch. And the movie isn't called Passover Pageant; it's called Easter Parade. Let's admit that we've come to accept a certain level of defeat while still celebrating our historic victories and making what we have as awesome as possible. But motherhood is where we need to draw the line. They say when a brand is lost, it should go back to its roots. Some brands do and are revived (think Apple) and others veer off and don't (think Cadillac which combated sagging sales by coming out with muscle trucks). The Amida in our shul's new prayer book (Siddur Eit Ratzon) makes reference not only to our patriarchs, but Sarah, Rebekkah, Rachel and Leah as well. Perhaps if more shuls incorporated this approach and got across the understanding to our youth that we have some pretty mighty matriarchs of our own, they would realize their song, in its original form, was pretty cool too. A lot of us today look back at our rich maternal heritage as if they are staring at a phonograph record wondering, "what is it?" and "how does it work?" It's time we raised our matriarchs' profiles to their rightful place. As America's Mother's Day approaches and as a Jewish son whose mom is still plucky at 90 and still living in the same house I grew up in by herself, her oomph has inspired me to hang on and fight for that last piece of mother's earth we own. Flying back on Southwest from our Passover visit, the inescapable linguistic irony wasn't lost on me, as I flew on Easter weekend between Massachusetts and home to Maryland and touching down on the ground, my children ran into their mother's arms. As a husband who has had to play the role of Mr. Mom on many occasions, and with an economy creating even more of us, perhaps it's a way of God giving us a lesson on how the other half lives. Now it's time to embrace how they live, and love them ever more for it. 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I just it received this morning from someone, who I hope will soon join the list. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMSEFCQCKPo Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/d3242ed7/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sun May 10 13:08:45 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:08:45 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Matza song In-Reply-To: <200905101751.n4AHpwLJ014550@mail384c25.carrierzone.com> References: <200905101751.n4AHpwLJ014550@mail384c25.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <3361B795621C4F8FA599471C624B5C9A@bettylaptop> Too cute, Steve! Thanks for the lift! Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mathe Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:52 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Matza song Hey Gang, Here is a happy postscript to Pesach, you got to listen, it is GAS! I just it received this morning from someone, who I hope will soon join the list. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMSEFCQCKPo Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/dd1caff7/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Sun May 10 13:26:00 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Fw: Obama's green light to attack Iran by Caroline Glick Message-ID: <524168.44430.qm@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Women in Green wrote: From: Women in Green Subject: Obama's green light to attack Iran by Caroline Glick To: wfit2 at womeningreen.org Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 7:29 AM Instructions for unsubscribing can be found in the footer of this message. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Column One: Obama's green light to attack Iran May 8, 2009 Caroline Glick, THE JERUSALEM POST Arctic winds are blowing into Jerusalem from Washington these days. As Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's May 18 visit to Washington fast approaches, the Obama administration is ratcheting up its anti-Israel rhetoric and working feverishly to force Israel into a corner. Using the annual AIPAC conference as a backdrop, this week the Obama administration launched its harshest onslaught against Israel to date. It began with media reports that National Security Adviser James Jones told a European foreign minister that the US is planning to build an anti-Israel coalition with the Arabs and Europe to compel Israel to surrender Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem to the Palestinians. According to Haaretz, Jones was quoted in a classified foreign ministry cable as having told his European interlocutor, "The new administration will convince Israel to compromise on the Palestinian question. We will not push Israel under the wheels of a bus, but we will be more forceful toward Israel than we have been under Bush." He then explained that the US, the EU and the moderate Arab states must determine together what "a satisfactory endgame solution," will be. As far as Jones is concerned, Israel should be left out of those discussions and simply presented with a fait accompli that it will be compelled to accept. Events this week showed that Jones's statement was an accurate depiction of the administration's policy. First, quartet mediator Tony Blair announced that within six weeks the US, EU, UN and Russia will unveil a new framework for establishing a Palestinian state. Speaking with Palestinian reporters on Wednesday, Blair said that this new framework will be a serious initiative because it "is being worked on at the highest level in the American administration." Moreover, this week we learned that the administration is trying to get the Arabs themselves to write the Quartet's new plan. The London-based Al-Quds al-Arabi pan-Arab newspaper reported Tuesday that acting on behalf of Obama, Jordanian King Abdullah urged the Arab League to update the so-called Arab peace plan from 2002. That plan, which calls for Israel to withdraw from Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and the Golan Heights and accept millions of foreign Arabs as citizens as part of the so-called "right of return" in exchange for "natural" relations with the Arab world, has been rejected by successive Israeli governments as a diplomatic subterfuge whose goal is Israel's destruction. By accepting millions of so-called "Palestinian refugees," Israel would effectively cease to be a Jewish state. By shrinking into the 1949 armistice lines, Israel would be unable to defend itself against foreign invasion. And since "natural relations" is a meaningless term both in international legal discourse and in diplomatic discourse, Israel would have committed national suicide for nothing. To make the plan less objectionable to Israel, Abdullah reportedly called on his Arab brethren to strike references to the so-called "Arab refugees" from the plan and to agree to "normal" rather than "natural" relations with the Jewish state. According to the report, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was expected to present Obama with the changes to the plan during their meeting in Washington later this month. The revised plan was supposed to form the basis for the new Quartet plan that Blair referred to. But the Arabs would have none of it. On Wednesday, both Arab League General Secretary Amr Moussa and Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas announced that they oppose the initiative. On Thursday, Syria rejected making any changes in the document. The administration couldn't care less. The Palestinians and Arabs are no more than bit players in its Middle East policy. As far as the Obama administration is concerned, Israel is the only obstacle to peace. To make certain that Israel understands this central point, Vice President Joseph Biden used his appearance at the AIPAC conference to drive it home. As Biden made clear, the US doesn't respect or support Israel's right as a sovereign state to determine its own policies for securing its national interests. In Biden's words, "Israel has to work toward a two-state solution. You're not going to like my saying this, but not build more settlements, dismantle existing outposts and allow the Palestinians freedom of movement." FOR ISRAEL, the main event of the week was supposed to be President Shimon Peres's meeting with Obama on Tuesday. Peres was tasked with calming the waters ahead of Netanyahu's visit. It was hoped that he could introduce a more collegial tone to US-Israel relations. What Israel didn't count on was the humiliating reception Peres received from Obama. By barring all media from covering the event, Obama transformed what was supposed to be a friendly visit with a respected and friendly head of state into a back-door encounter with an unwanted guest, who was shooed in and shooed out of the White House without a sound. The Obama White House's bald attempt to force Israel to take full blame for the Arab world's hostility toward it is not the only way that it is casting Israel as the scapegoat for the region's ills. In their bid to open direct diplomatic ties with Iran, Obama and his advisers are also blaming Israel for Iran's nuclear program. They are doing this both indirectly and directly. As Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel made clear in his closed-door briefing to senior AIPAC officials this week, the administration is holding Israel indirectly responsible for Iran's nuclear program. It does this by claiming that Israel's refusal to cede its land to the Palestinians is making it impossible for the Arab world to support preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Somewhat inconveniently for the administration, the Arabs themselves are rejecting this premise. This week US Defense Secretary Robert Gates visited the Persian Gulf and Egypt to soothe Arab fears that the administration's desperate attempts to appease the mullahs will harm their security interests. He also sought to gain their support for the administration's plan to unveil a new peace plan aimed at isolating and pressuring Israel. After meeting with Gates, Amr Moussa - who has distinguished himself as one of Israel's most trenchant critics - said categorically, "The question of Iran should be separate from the Arab-Israel conflict." Just as the administration is unmoved by objective facts that expose as folly its single-minded devotion to the notion that Israel is responsible for the absence of peace in the Middle East, so the Arab rejection of its view that Israel is to blame for Iran's nuclear program has simply driven it to escalate its attacks on Israel. This week it opened a new campaign of blaming Israel directly - through its purported nuclear arsenal - for Iran's nuclear ambitions. Speaking at a UN forum, US Assistant Secretary of State Rose Gottemoeller said, "Universal adherence to the [Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty] NPT itself, including by India, Israel, Pakistan and North Korea... remains a fundamental objective of the United States." As Eli Lake from The Washington Times demonstrated convincingly, by speaking as she did, Gottemoeller effectively abrogated a 40-year-old US-Israeli understanding that the US would remain silent about Israel's nuclear program because it understood that it was defensive, not offensive in nature. In so doing, Gottemoeller legitimized Iran's claim that it cannot be expected to suspend its quest to acquire nuclear weapons as long as Israel possesses them. She also erased any distinction between nuclear weapons in the hands of US allies and democratic states and nuclear weapons in the hands of US enemies and terror states. The Israeli media are largely framing the story of the US's growing and already unprecedented antagonism toward Israel as a diplomatic challenge for Netanyahu. To meet this challenge, it is argued that Netanyahu must come to Washington in 10 days' time with an attractive peace plan that will win over the White House. But this is a false interpretation of what is happening. Even Ethan Bronner of the The New York Times pointed out this week that Obama's Middle East policy is not based on facts. If it were, the so-called "two state solution," which has failed repeatedly since 1993, would not be its centerpiece. Obama's Middle East policy is based on ideology, not reality. Consequently, it is immune to rational argument. The fact that if Iran acquires nuclear weapons, all chance of peace between Israel and the Palestinians and Israel and the Arab world will disappear, is of no interest to Obama and his advisers. They do not care that the day after Hamas terror-master Khaled Mashaal told The New York Times that Hamas was suspending its attacks against Israel from Gaza, the Iranian-controlled terror regime took credit for several volleys of rockets shot against Israeli civilian targets from Gaza. The administration stills intends to give Gaza $900 million in US taxpayer funds, and it still demands that Israel give its land to a joint Fatah-Hamas government. REGARDLESS OF the weight of Netanyahu's arguments, and irrespective of the reasonableness of whatever diplomatic initiative he presents to Obama, he can expect no sympathy or support from the White House. As a consequence, the operational significance of the administration's anti-Israel positions is that Israel will not be well served by adopting a more accommodating posture toward the Palestinians and Iran. Indeed, perversely, what the Obama administration's treatment of Israel should be making clear to the Netanyahu government is that Israel should no longer take Washington's views into account as it makes its decisions about how to advance Israel's national security interests. This is particularly true with regard to Iran's nuclear weapons program. Rationally speaking, the only way the Obama administration could reasonably expect to deter Israel from attacking Iran's nuclear installations would be if it could make the cost for Israel of attacking higher than the cost for Israel of not attacking. But what the behavior of the Obama administration is demonstrating is that there is no significant difference in the costs of the two options. By blaming Israel for the absence of peace in the Middle East while ignoring the Palestinians' refusal to accept Israel's right to exist; by seeking to build an international coalition with Europe and the Arabs against Israel while glossing over the fact that at least the Arabs share Israel's concerns about Iran; by exposing Israel's nuclear arsenal and pressuring Israel to disarm while in the meantime courting the ayatollahs like an overeager bridegroom, the Obama administration is telling Israel that regardless of what it does, and what objective reality is, as far as the White House is concerned, Israel is to blame. This, of course, doesn't mean that Netanyahu shouldn't make his case to Obama when they meet and to the American people during his US visit. What it does mean is that Netanyahu should have no expectation that Israeli goodwill can divert Obama from the course he has chosen. 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Ross, can you post this on your SWW Web site and also send to your > wider e-mail list... > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Toviasinger1 at aol.com > *Date: *May 9, 2009 7:09:16 PM EDT > *To: *jamesdtabor at earthlink.net > *Subject: **Can you come back this week?* > > There has been a huge demand from the listeners that I have you back on > this week. With the pope in Israel in the coming days, can you join me > Wednesday afternoon at 3 pm NY time? We will, no doubt, have so much to > discuss. > > With love of Zion, > > Tovia > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/7d7bed8e/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Sun May 10 13:46:39 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. In-Reply-To: <4A06FEA4.5030204@gninc.ca> Message-ID: <855669.82067.qm@web82504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Cornie: ? My heart aches at the pain you have expressed.Sorry you lost your precious mother at such a tender age. Most early childhood educators say that a person's character is?established by the age of five, so your Mother obviously did some very?good molding in you.?You certainly are somebody in Hashem's sight and in all of ours on the list too. Try to remember it is not over yet. Hashem is working and bringing about His purposes.Keep posting. You are such a blessing to us all, ? I have been wondering how Jamie is doing and when he comes in to my thoughts, I pray for him as well as you and the rest of your family. ? Shalom and kind regards, ? Helen --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Cornie Reimer wrote: From: Cornie Reimer Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 12:19 PM Dear Joe I am envious of all of you who can relate to a dear mother on mothers day. My mother, with a very few though precious memories, passed away far to young, when I was 5. I could not grasp what was going on. My own dear wife has warned me recently, not to get her a mothers day card. ( yes, I know it is a bipolar symptom) I guess i must seem very callous to her, which i can not describe in words what that does to me. It makes me feel like I truly must be a nobody. Maybe that explains why I appear so cold to express what you others can do with such warmth. My heart is broken, to put it mildly. Maybe I should have written this to you personally, which I thought I had done in the letter to Pat, but found out it some how was addressed to the dialogue. Cornie JOE INDOMENICO wrote: Shalom Chaverim, I just returned home from visiting my father and sister in Brisbane today with Heidi and I was overwhelmed by your touching emails. You all brought tears of joy to my heart beyond imagination. Thank you all for loving and tender words. I paid my respects at the cemetery to my loving mother Tina. Yes Margie she was beautiful in all aspects of her life. Physically and spiritually. She taught me the importance in life of always making deposits and never extracting withdrawals so that at the moment of death you would never be spiritually and morally bankrupt. She was a trillionaire through and through. I wish I could be a fraction of her. Helen, I will never forget her smile. The photo was taken before she fell ill. Even though she deteriorated physically , she never lost that smile. Two years before she died I was able to get her a Bible in Italian. I was so proud of her when I used to walk into the dialysis unit at hospital and she her engrossed in reading whilst all the other ladies were reading junk women's magazines. When she saw me she would get all excited and that smile when she would read to me her favourite passages about Israel and HaShem's grace. One of her favourite passages was the confession of Ruth's love for Naomi and the G-d of Israel. This was read together with Isaiah 43 v 1-5 at her funeral. Hanoch, Achi, what can I say ... your words really touched a soft spot in my heart. I am sure that you also today remembered your mother Zeisel, of blessed memory. I know that we have spoken about this before but you are also a wonderful product of maternal love. Her guidance and encouragement of love is a genuine tribute to the way that you also reared your beautiful daughters Ayala and Kyra. The way that you instilled Emunah and Ahavat HaShem v'Yisrael in your daughters is the ultimate testimony on the worth of a righteous mother. We both won jackpot in this aspect of life. Your kind words towards the living memory of my mother are very humbling. She loved Israel and she always mourned for the mothers of the victims of homicide bombings . I recall one day that she was not feeling all that well and I tried to comfort her. That very day the terrorists killed all those beautiful young Israeli teenage girls at the disco in Tel Aviv. Even though my mother was in pain she commented that her pain was for the mothers of the innocent victims of the cruel bombings. May HaShem avenge their innocent blood. My mother never visited Israel but Israel visited her. In her grave I poured a small bucket of soil from Yerushalayim, a small bottle of stream water from the River Jordan, a small piece of timber from an olive tree in the Galilee and an olive leaf from the Garden of Gethsemane. These we given to my mother by a friend and she cherised them so much that she requested to be buried with them. From the moment I shared the Emet of the Tanach with my mother she instantly became converted, even though she was brought up as a Catholic. I am still amazed to this very day. Not one if, what or maybe. Thanks again Achi. Elisheva, you also would have felt this day together with James and your family with the loss of your mother Hazel Mae. Mothers , aren't they the most precious expression of HaShem's unconditional love. That is the bitter sweet that you speak of. The sweetness of the wonderful memories and the bitter of not hearing, seeing and touching them. In my life, I must admit that the women are a special blessing. The theme of unconditional love is always the undercurrent. My mother and I would not be here but for the love and grace of my grandmother Maria. My Nonna Maria had 22 babies of which only 6 survived past the first year. My Grandfather Carmelo went to Argentina to work in order to support the family. They had five children at the time. Well he did support them for the first 6 months and then shacked up with a muchacha from Beunos Aires and forgot about his wife and children. Nonna Maria was left to raise 5 children on her own. These were the years during and after the depression. All she could do was bake bread. So she scrounged a living . After 9 years there was a knock on the door and it was my grandfather. She took him back , no questions asked. She forgave him unconditionally. They resumed their marriage. At the age of 50 my grandmother was pregnant with my mother, well after her menopause. During child birth , 3 times both my grandmother and mother almost died. In fact , my mother was baptized three times by three different nurses because they thought she would die. Because of this my mother was given 3 NAMES. Baruch HaShem. The power of unconditional love , grace and forgiveness. Ross, thank you for your kind words of support. I appreciate them very much. Please cherish your mother while she is alive and never get tired of telling her how much you love her. I hope that all the mothers on the dialogue list are having a warm and loving day with the families. May HaShem grant you all the love and respect that you deserve. You are all wonderful . Finally, I was given a treat by my father today during my visit. He gave me an old photograph of Mamma Tina and yours truely while we were still living in Sicily. I was two years old. Thank you HaShem for my Papa' Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/835da8a9/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sun May 10 14:15:06 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Invited Back on Tovia Singer Show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94B44CD5E9DE444EAAC61314F4ACC2E6@bettylaptop> Yes, absolutely! Maybe the two of you can talk more about doing a road tour! Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Patricia Robbins Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 9:21 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Invited Back on Tovia Singer Show AWESOME, JAMES!!!! From: James Tabor Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:49 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Invited Back on Tovia Singer Show It looks like I will make an encore visit with Tovia Singer this coming Wednesday, May 13th at 3pm EST live, YHVH willing. See below. James Tabor P.S. Ross, can you post this on your SWW Web site and also send to your wider e-mail list... Begin forwarded message: From: Toviasinger1 at aol.com Date: May 9, 2009 7:09:16 PM EDT To: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Subject: Can you come back this week? There has been a huge demand from the listeners that I have you back on this week. With the pope in Israel in the coming days, can you join me Wednesday afternoon at 3 pm NY time? We will, no doubt, have so much to discuss. With love of Zion, Tovia _____ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/39e651ed/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Sun May 10 14:21:19 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:21:19 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. In-Reply-To: <4A06FEA4.5030204@gninc.ca> References: <4A06C673.3060203@westnet.com.au> <4A06FEA4.5030204@gninc.ca> Message-ID: Cornie, you write with more heart than anyone I know. In fact, YOU ARE LIKE A MOTHER'S DAY CARD TO ALL OF US!!!!! We hurt when you hurt, and we love your sweet spirit. I'm just glad that our "family" is connected today and everyday. We are always just a click away from each other. You fill our hearts to overflowing, and I am still praying HaShem fill you with His GLADNESS OF HEART (Is 30:29, 65:14), that no one can take away, Dear Friend! Shalom v'Ahavah, Pat From: Cornie Reimer Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:19 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. Dear Joe I am envious of all of you who can relate to a dear mother on mothers day. My mother, with a very few though precious memories, passed away far to young, when I was 5. I could not grasp what was going on. My own dear wife has warned me recently, not to get her a mothers day card. ( yes, I know it is a bipolar symptom) I guess i must seem very callous to her, which i can not describe in words what that does to me. It makes me feel like I truly must be a nobody. Maybe that explains why I appear so cold to express what you others can do with such warmth. My heart is broken, to put it mildly. Maybe I should have written this to you personally, which I thought I had done in the letter to Pat, but found out it some how was addressed to the dialogue. Cornie JOE INDOMENICO wrote: Shalom Chaverim, I just returned home from visiting my father and sister in Brisbane today with Heidi and I was overwhelmed by your touching emails. You all brought tears of joy to my heart beyond imagination. Thank you all for loving and tender words. I paid my respects at the cemetery to my loving mother Tina. Yes Margie she was beautiful in all aspects of her life. Physically and spiritually. She taught me the importance in life of always making deposits and never extracting withdrawals so that at the moment of death you would never be spiritually and morally bankrupt. She was a trillionaire through and through. I wish I could be a fraction of her. Helen, I will never forget her smile. The photo was taken before she fell ill. Even though she deteriorated physically , she never lost that smile. Two years before she died I was able to get her a Bible in Italian. I was so proud of her when I used to walk into the dialysis unit at hospital and she her engrossed in reading whilst all the other ladies were reading junk women's magazines. When she saw me she would get all excited and that smile when she would read to me her favourite passages about Israel and HaShem's grace. One of her favourite passages was the confession of Ruth's love for Naomi and the G-d of Israel. This was read together with Isaiah 43 v 1-5 at her funeral. Hanoch, Achi, what can I say ... your words really touched a soft spot in my heart. I am sure that you also today remembered your mother Zeisel, of blessed memory. I know that we have spoken about this before but you are also a wonderful product of maternal love. Her guidance and encouragement of love is a genuine tribute to the way that you also reared your beautiful daughters Ayala and Kyra. The way that you instilled Emunah and Ahavat HaShem v'Yisrael in your daughters is the ultimate testimony on the worth of a righteous mother. We both won jackpot in this aspect of life. Your kind words towards the living memory of my mother are very humbling. She loved Israel and she always mourned for the mothers of the victims of homicide bombings . I recall one day that she was not feeling all that well and I tried to comfort her. That very day the terrorists killed all those beautiful young Israeli teenage girls at the disco in Tel Aviv. Even though my mother was in pain she commented that her pain was for the mothers of the innocent victims of the cruel bombings. May HaShem avenge their innocent blood. My mother never visited Israel but Israel visited her. In her grave I poured a small bucket of soil from Yerushalayim, a small bottle of stream water from the River Jordan, a small piece of timber from an olive tree in the Galilee and an olive leaf from the Garden of Gethsemane. These we given to my mother by a friend and she cherised them so much that she requested to be buried with them. From the moment I shared the Emet of the Tanach with my mother she instantly became converted, even though she was brought up as a Catholic. I am still amazed to this very day. Not one if, what or maybe. Thanks again Achi. Elisheva, you also would have felt this day together with James and your family with the loss of your mother Hazel Mae. Mothers , aren't they the most precious expression of HaShem's unconditional love. That is the bitter sweet that you speak of. The sweetness of the wonderful memories and the bitter of not hearing, seeing and touching them. In my life, I must admit that the women are a special blessing. The theme of unconditional love is always the undercurrent. My mother and I would not be here but for the love and grace of my grandmother Maria. My Nonna Maria had 22 babies of which only 6 survived past the first year. My Grandfather Carmelo went to Argentina to work in order to support the family. They had five children at the time. Well he did support them for the first 6 months and then shacked up with a muchacha from Beunos Aires and forgot about his wife and children. Nonna Maria was left to raise 5 children on her own. These were the years during and after the depression. All she could do was bake bread. So she scrounged a living . After 9 years there was a knock on the door and it was my grandfather. She took him back , no questions asked. She forgave him unconditionally. They resumed their marriage. At the age of 50 my grandmother was pregnant with my mother, well after her menopause. During child birth , 3 times both my grandmother and mother almost died. In fact , my mother was baptized three times by three different nurses because they thought she would die. Because of this my mother was given 3 NAMES. Baruch HaShem. The power of unconditional love , grace and forgiveness. Ross, thank you for your kind words of support. I appreciate them very much. Please cherish your mother while she is alive and never get tired of telling her how much you love her. I hope that all the mothers on the dialogue list are having a warm and loving day with the families. May HaShem grant you all the love and respect that you deserve. You are all wonderful . Finally, I was given a treat by my father today during my visit. He gave me an old photograph of Mamma Tina and yours truely while we were still living in Sicily. I was two years old. Thank you HaShem for my Papa' Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/2647c1b1/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sun May 10 14:24:40 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:24:40 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Mystical Paths: Argh, Pope Preparations. Photos+Video In-Reply-To: <4A06D773.2080803@westnet.com.au> References: <4A06D773.2080803@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: Thanks so much for this, Joe. Very interesting.I have to ask the same question as the one asked regarding the symbol in one of the photos. Jerusalem Pope Kever Dovid "What in the world is a Freemason symbol doing on a stairway in the rear courtyard of the Tomb of King David?" Any ideas????!!!! Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Mystical Paths: Argh, Pope Preparations. Photos+Video Shalom Chaverim, this is the small piece of real estate in Yerushalyim that is the centre of controversy during the Papal visit. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. http://mysticalpaths.blogspot.com/2009/05/argh-pope-preparations-photosvideo .html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/d9bee5b7/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You will never regret it. I have various regrets in my life, but I have NO regrets for even a single penny sent into Israel to encourage a family. Stephen From bkgivin at charter.net Sun May 10 15:12:55 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:12:55 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. In-Reply-To: <4A06C673.3060203@westnet.com.au> References: <4A06C673.3060203@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: Most beautiful, Joe! Your words and the story of your mother, father and grandmother touched my heart. And I loved the old photo of your Mother and yourself as a little one.so cute! Thank you so much for who you are and what you share with us! You are a true brother and friend and always there to lift us up and encourage us. My love and my heart are with you and all who have lost their mothers today, Blessed be each of their memories! And to all of you, who are still blessed to have your mothers, smother them with all the love and hugs and kisses you have. I tried to send an email earlier that had a Mother's Day tribute along with some pictures of Hazel Mae, James and my wonderful mother, but it got kicked back.pictures too large.I tried several times without success.maybe James, you can post some. V'Ahavah, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:20 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. Shalom Chaverim, I just returned home from visiting my father and sister in Brisbane today with Heidi and I was overwhelmed by your touching emails. You all brought tears of joy to my heart beyond imagination. Thank you all for loving and tender words. I paid my respects at the cemetery to my loving mother Tina. Yes Margie she was beautiful in all aspects of her life. Physically and spiritually. She taught me the importance in life of always making deposits and never extracting withdrawals so that at the moment of death you would never be spiritually and morally bankrupt. She was a trillionaire through and through. I wish I could be a fraction of her. Helen, I will never forget her smile. The photo was taken before she fell ill. Even though she deteriorated physically , she never lost that smile. Two years before she died I was able to get her a Bible in Italian. I was so proud of her when I used to walk into the dialysis unit at hospital and she her engrossed in reading whilst all the other ladies were reading junk women's magazines. When she saw me she would get all excited and that smile when she would read to me her favourite passages about Israel and HaShem's grace. One of her favourite passages was the confession of Ruth's love for Naomi and the G-d of Israel. This was read together with Isaiah 43 v 1-5 at her funeral. Hanoch, Achi, what can I say ... your words really touched a soft spot in my heart. I am sure that you also today remembered your mother Zeisel, of blessed memory. I know that we have spoken about this before but you are also a wonderful product of maternal love. Her guidance and encouragement of love is a genuine tribute to the way that you also reared your beautiful daughters Ayala and Kyra. The way that you instilled Emunah and Ahavat HaShem v'Yisrael in your daughters is the ultimate testimony on the worth of a righteous mother. We both won jackpot in this aspect of life. Your kind words towards the living memory of my mother are very humbling. She loved Israel and she always mourned for the mothers of the victims of homicide bombings . I recall one day that she was not feeling all that well and I tried to comfort her. That very day the terrorists killed all those beautiful young Israeli teenage girls at the disco in Tel Aviv. Even though my mother was in pain she commented that her pain was for the mothers of the innocent victims of the cruel bombings. May HaShem avenge their innocent blood. My mother never visited Israel but Israel visited her. In her grave I poured a small bucket of soil from Yerushalayim, a small bottle of stream water from the River Jordan, a small piece of timber from an olive tree in the Galilee and an olive leaf from the Garden of Gethsemane. These we given to my mother by a friend and she cherised them so much that she requested to be buried with them. From the moment I shared the Emet of the Tanach with my mother she instantly became converted, even though she was brought up as a Catholic. I am still amazed to this very day. Not one if, what or maybe. Thanks again Achi. Elisheva, you also would have felt this day together with James and your family with the loss of your mother Hazel Mae. Mothers , aren't they the most precious expression of HaShem's unconditional love. That is the bitter sweet that you speak of. The sweetness of the wonderful memories and the bitter of not hearing, seeing and touching them. In my life, I must admit that the women are a special blessing. The theme of unconditional love is always the undercurrent. My mother and I would not be here but for the love and grace of my grandmother Maria. My Nonna Maria had 22 babies of which only 6 survived past the first year. My Grandfather Carmelo went to Argentina to work in order to support the family. They had five children at the time. Well he did support them for the first 6 months and then shacked up with a muchacha from Beunos Aires and forgot about his wife and children. Nonna Maria was left to raise 5 children on her own. These were the years during and after the depression. All she could do was bake bread. So she scrounged a living . After 9 years there was a knock on the door and it was my grandfather. She took him back , no questions asked. She forgave him unconditionally. They resumed their marriage. At the age of 50 my grandmother was pregnant with my mother, well after her menopause. During child birth , 3 times both my grandmother and mother almost died. In fact , my mother was baptized three times by three different nurses because they thought she would die. Because of this my mother was given 3 NAMES. Baruch HaShem. The power of unconditional love , grace and forgiveness. Ross, thank you for your kind words of support. I appreciate them very much. Please cherish your mother while she is alive and never get tired of telling her how much you love her. I hope that all the mothers on the dialogue list are having a warm and loving day with the families. May HaShem grant you all the love and respect that you deserve. You are all wonderful . Finally, I was given a treat by my father today during my visit. He gave me an old photograph of Mamma Tina and yours truely while we were still living in Sicily. I was two years old. Thank you HaShem for my Papa' Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/3f4a1dca/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Sun May 10 16:22:16 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:22:16 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Matza song In-Reply-To: <200905101751.n4AHpwLJ014550@mail384c25.carrierzone.com> References: <200905101751.n4AHpwLJ014550@mail384c25.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <855590370905101422q77345f1as28040645d87dc73e@mail.gmail.com> LOL...Achi, I sent this same link to the list on March 31st. I guess that answers my question about whether or not people read my posts....oh, well... :-) * Hanoch * On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Steve Mathe wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Here is a happy postscript to Pesach, you got to listen, it is GAS! I just > it received this morning from someone, who I hope will soon join the list. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMSEFCQCKPo > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/ef1180e2/attachment.html From jid at westnet.com.au Sun May 10 18:57:53 2009 From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:57:53 +1000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina.] Message-ID: <4A076A01.4080209@westnet.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090511/9ff9d7cd/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Cornie Reimer Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 11:19:48 -0500 Size: 17320 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090511/9ff9d7cd/attachment.eml From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sun May 10 21:23:20 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 02:23:20 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Mystical Paths: Argh, Pope Preparations. Photos+Video In-Reply-To: References: <4A06D773.2080803@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <051120090223.19203.4A078C17000B0BE700004B0322230647029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Hey Betty, If I remember Free Mason lore correctly, they believe that they are descended (as a society) from the Knights Templar which (again if I remember correctly) were the "self-appointed" caretakers of Jerusalem for the Papacy during the time of the Crusades until they went rogue. So it would not be surprising to find this symbol here. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from "Betty Givin" : -------------- Thanks so much for this, Joe. Very interesting?I have to ask the same question as the one asked regarding the symbol in one of the photos? ?What in the world is a Freemason symbol doing on a stairway in the rear courtyard of the Tomb of King David?? Any ideas????!!!! Elisheva/Betty From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Mystical Paths: Argh, Pope Preparations. Photos+Video Shalom Chaverim, this is the small piece of real estate in Yerushalyim that is the centre of controversy during the Papal visit. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. http://mysticalpaths.blogspot.com/2009/05/argh-pope-preparations-photosvideo.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Well yes, maybe your article did something after all why I in the first place used your name. But I am often encouraged by yours as well as many others deep insight and meaningful presentations to the group. And on the other hand it seems like I , and especially at my age should really be more of a help and consolation to the struggles and battles of those that are younger, than to be a recipient of so much encouragement by you all. Yet so often it seems like I am the one that is weak, and hardly able to stand on my own spiritual feet, when the battle is on. I won't say more about that. But I want to share that much, I am not complaining, I need the trials and difficulties I face. I want to tell you all. that I have a close relationship with my Abba Father. I am learning how special it is to have emuna, I don't get any more trials than I need, or deserve, to be able to come close to Him by all that comes my way. One thing that may be the problem is I am starting to work again, even only half days, and that may just take a little while to get used to that, on top of being a bipolar supporter. I am well aware of the fact that most of you all have real difficulties to face too. I don't think I am necessarily an exception. And heartily thank all of you who are responding to what I have shared. There are so many in this old world who don't have such a tender hearted group of people so open hearted and responsive. I hope that in the future I will come out of this again. Blessings to you all Cornie JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > /Shalom Cornie, > > thank you for the reality check in terms of those who lost their > mothers in childhood. > My post was never intended to create a sense of nothingness but to > elevate the status of our mothers. I guess I failed to consider the > other end of the spectrum as is your case. For this I am truely sorry. > > In Jewish teaching the period of the formation of an embryo is 40 > days. The sages relate that the number forty is an allusion that > "nothing becomes something." The children of Israel started as nothing > in Egypt and forty years later became a superpower in the conquest of > the land, because of what HaShem did not only in Egypt, not only on > Mount Sinai but also during the forty wilderness trek of His chosen > nation. > > Moshe started as nothing at birth and forty years later became the > Prince of Egypt...... something. > Enter HaShem who then deemed Moshe' s prince hood as nothing. > This nothing became something forty years later...... the shepherd of > HaShem's flock with staff in hand. > A further forty years later this something became nothing again as > Moshe was laid to rest on Har Nevo. > > Of the original men who entered the land ? > Yehoshua ben Nun and Calev. > Why ? > Because they remembered what HaShem had done and were prepared to step > out in Emunah. > Cornie, in all love and respect do not look at the giants in the land > but look at the grapes of Eshkol. > > I am reminded of the tragedy of the death of Rachel Immeinu during the > birth of Benyamin. > Benyamin who lost his mother at birth was to be called Ben Oni or son > of my sorrow but his name was changed to son of my right hand. What > started out as nothing became something in fulfillment of the name of > his older maternal brother Yosef that HaShem would add another son. > The list goes on. > The Lo Ami (not my people) become the sons of the Living G-d. > Yaacov is called a worm. Why? > Because a worm is attached to the Earth and is limited by its total > dependence to the Earth. > However, the worm is then put into a cacoon where during the period of > metamorphosis it is transformed into a beautiful butterfly that is > now free from the confines of the Earth and able to fly. > Similarly Yaacov is transformed from the physical to the spiritual > _*Yisrael.*_ > > As my own mother would always say to me "It is not what what you come > into the world as that matters, it is what you leave the world as that > makes the difference." > > We are all nothings but have the Divine potential to be something. > We have all been through the school of hard knocks ( Egypt) we are in > the cacoon (wilderness) and soon to be set free (butterfly / Promised > land). > It is a process. We must never look to our failures but always > concentrate on what HaShem has done. > > May we all merit to be suckled on the breasts of our spiritual mother > Yisrael with the milk of Torah. > May those that grieve be comforted with this solace. > > Shalom v'Ahavah > JOE. > > > / > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. > From: > Cornie Reimer > Date: > Sun, 10 May 2009 11:19:48 -0500 > To: > dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > To: > dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > > Dear Joe > I am envious of all of you who can relate to a dear mother on mothers > day. My mother, with a very few though precious memories, passed away > far to young, when I was 5. I could not grasp what was going on. My > own dear wife has warned me recently, not to get her a mothers day > card. ( yes, I know it is a bipolar symptom) I guess i must seem very > callous to her, which i can not describe in words what that does to > me. It makes me feel like I truly must be a nobody. Maybe that > explains why I appear so cold to express what you others can do with > such warmth. My heart is broken, to put it mildly. > > Maybe I should have written this to you personally, which I thought I > had done in the letter to Pat, but found out it some how was addressed > to the dialogue. > > Cornie > > > > JOE INDOMENICO wrote: >> /Shalom Chaverim, >> >> I just returned home from visiting my father and sister in Brisbane >> today with Heidi and I was overwhelmed by your touching emails. You >> all brought tears of joy to my heart beyond imagination. Thank you >> all for loving and tender words. >> >> I paid my respects at the cemetery to my loving mother Tina. >> >> Yes Margie she was beautiful in all aspects of her life. Physically >> and spiritually. She taught me the importance in life of always >> making deposits and never extracting withdrawals so that at the >> moment of death you would never be spiritually and morally bankrupt. >> She was a trillionaire through and through. I wish I could be a >> fraction of her. >> >> Helen, I will never forget her smile. The photo was taken before she >> fell ill. Even though she deteriorated physically , she never lost >> that smile. Two years before she died I was able to get her a Bible >> in Italian. I was so proud of her when I used to walk into the >> dialysis unit at hospital and she her engrossed in reading whilst all >> the other ladies were reading junk women's magazines. When she saw me >> she would get all excited and that smile when she would read to me >> her favourite passages about Israel and HaShem's grace. One of her >> favourite passages was the confession of Ruth's love for Naomi and >> the G-d of Israel. This was read together with Isaiah 43 v 1-5 at her >> funeral. >> >> Hanoch, Achi, what can I say ... your words really touched a soft >> spot in my heart. I am sure that you also today remembered your >> mother Zeisel, of blessed memory. I know that we have spoken about >> this before but you are also a wonderful product of maternal love. >> Her guidance and encouragement of love is a genuine tribute to the >> way that you also reared your beautiful daughters Ayala and Kyra. The >> way that you instilled Emunah and Ahavat HaShem v'Yisrael in your >> daughters is the ultimate testimony on the worth of a righteous >> mother. We both won jackpot in this aspect of life. >> Your kind words towards the living memory of my mother are very >> humbling. She loved Israel and she always mourned for the mothers of >> the victims of homicide bombings . I recall one day that she was not >> feeling all that well and I tried to comfort her. That very day the >> terrorists killed all those beautiful young Israeli teenage girls at >> the disco in Tel Aviv. Even though my mother was in pain she >> commented that her pain was for the mothers of the innocent victims >> of the cruel bombings. May HaShem avenge their innocent blood. >> My mother never visited Israel but Israel visited her. In her grave I >> poured a small bucket of soil from Yerushalayim, a small bottle of >> stream water from the River Jordan, a small piece of timber from an >> olive tree in the Galilee and an olive leaf from the Garden of >> Gethsemane. These we given to my mother by a friend and she cherised >> them so much that she requested to be buried with them. From the >> moment I shared the Emet of the Tanach with my mother she instantly >> became converted, even though she was brought up as a Catholic. I am >> still amazed to this very day. Not one if, what or maybe. Thanks >> again Achi. >> >> Elisheva, you also would have felt this day together with James and >> your family with the loss of your mother Hazel Mae. >> Mothers , aren't they the most precious expression of HaShem's >> unconditional love. >> That is the bitter sweet that you speak of. The sweetness of the >> wonderful memories and the bitter of not hearing, seeing and touching >> them. >> In my life, I must admit that the women are a special blessing. The >> theme of unconditional love is always the undercurrent. My mother and >> I would not be here but for the love and grace of my grandmother Maria. >> My Nonna Maria had 22 babies of which only 6 survived past the first >> year. >> My Grandfather Carmelo went to Argentina to work in order to support >> the family. They had five children at the time. >> Well he did support them for the first 6 months and then shacked up >> with a muchacha from Beunos Aires and forgot about his wife and children. >> Nonna Maria was left to raise 5 children on her own. These were the >> years during and after the depression. All she could do was bake >> bread. So she scrounged a living . >> After 9 years there was a knock on the door and it was my >> grandfather. She took him back , no questions asked. She forgave him >> unconditionally. They resumed their marriage. >> At the age of 50 my grandmother was pregnant with my mother, well >> after her menopause. >> During child birth , 3 times both my grandmother and mother almost >> died. In fact , my mother was baptized three times by three different >> nurses because they thought she would die. Because of this my mother >> was given 3 NAMES. >> Baruch HaShem. The power of unconditional love , grace and forgiveness. >> >> Ross, thank you for your kind words of support. I appreciate them >> very much. >> Please cherish your mother while she is alive and never get tired of >> telling her how much you love her. >> >> I hope that all the mothers on the dialogue list are having a warm >> and loving day with the families. >> May HaShem grant you all the love and respect that you deserve. You >> are all wonderful . >> >> Finally, I was given a treat by my father today during my visit. >> He gave me an old photograph of Mamma Tina and yours truely while we >> were still living in Sicily. I was two years old. >> Thank you HaShem for my Papa' >> >> Shalom v'Ahavah >> JOE. >> / >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/09974d4e/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sun May 10 22:10:46 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 03:10:46 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Invited Back on Tovia Singer Show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <051120090310.16175.4A079735000EA2BB00003F2F22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Excellent James, I'll be listening. It is time that the Christian world understand that while a large percentage of them are following the direction of a politically motivated old man, the rest are founding their hopes on an event whose only real basis exists in pagan theology (the rapture). I hope your words spark the debate that will eventually convince many that it is time to wake up. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from James Tabor : -------------- It looks like I will make an encore visit with Tovia Singer this coming Wednesday, May 13th at 3pm EST live, YHVH willing. See below. James Tabor P.S. Ross, can you post this on your SWW Web site and also send to your wider e-mail list... Begin forwarded message: From: Toviasinger1 at aol.com Date: May 9, 2009 7:09:16 PM EDT To: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Subject: Can you come back this week? There has been a huge demand from the listeners that I have you back on this week. With the pope in Israel in the coming days, can you join me Wednesday afternoon at 3 pm NY time? We will, no doubt, have so much to discuss. With love of Zion, Tovia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 03:10:46 To: Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Invited Back on Tovia Singer Show _______________________________________________ From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Mon May 11 01:23:01 2009 From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:23:01 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Matza song In-Reply-To: <855590370905101422q77345f1as28040645d87dc73e@mail.gmail.co m> References: <200905101751.n4AHpwLJ014550@mail384c25.carrierzone.com> <855590370905101422q77345f1as28040645d87dc73e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200905110622.n4B6Mm0q020218@mail384c25.carrierzone.com> Well, I am guilty, mea culpa,..... now that the pope is coming.... maybe he will absolve me... I cannot read everything right away.... and some things I have missed.... and some things I hope to get back to, but by waiting list is very long.... thank you for your mercies... At 02:22 PM 5/10/2009, you wrote: >LOL...Achi, I sent this same link to the list on March 31st. I >guess that answers my question about whether or not people read my >posts....oh, well... :-) > > Hanoch > >On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Steve Mathe ><eliasaph at uniteourheart.com> wrote: >Hey Gang, > >Here is a happy postscript to Pesach, you got to listen, it is >GAS! I just it received this morning from someone, who I hope will >soon join the list. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMSEFCQCKPo > > >Steve > >_______________________________________________ > > >_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090510/88cb5a5f/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Mon May 11 05:47:14 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 03:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Mystical Paths: Argh, Pope Preparations. Photos+Video Message-ID: <523485.54946.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I found several articles like this.? All are 33 degree Masons. This could explain it.? Of these 13 people, documentation and/or references found thus far indicate at least eight (8) of these people are (were) Masons: David Ben-Gurion - Freemason Moshe Sharett Levi Eshkol Yigal Allon Golda Meir - Co-Mason Yitzhak Rabin - Freemason Shimon Peres* - Freemason and Jesuit (Roman Catholic) trained Menachem Begin Yitzhak Shamir Benjamin Netanyahu - Freemason Ehud Barak - Freemason Ariel Sharon - Freemason Ehud Olmert** - Freemason Benjamin Netanyahu- Freemason --- On Sun, 5/10/09, carlson_john at bellsouth.net wrote: From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Mystical Paths: Argh, Pope Preparations. Photos+Video To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 9:23 PM Hey Betty, ? If I remember Free Mason lore correctly, they believe that they are descended (as a society) from the Knights Templar which (again if I remember correctly) were the "self-appointed" caretakers of Jerusalem for the Papacy during the time of the Crusades until they went rogue.? So it would not be surprising to find this symbol here. ? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted ? -------------- Original message from "Betty Givin" : -------------- #yiv637670785 #yiv440839707 v\:* {} #yiv637670785 #yiv440839707 o\:* {} #yiv637670785 #yiv440839707 w\:* {} #yiv637670785 #yiv440839707 .shape {} Thanks so much for this, Joe.? Very interesting?I have to ask the same question as the one asked regarding the symbol in one of the photos? ?What in the world is a Freemason symbol doing on a stairway in the rear courtyard of the Tomb of King David?? ? Any ideas????!!!! ? Elisheva/Betty ? From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Mystical Paths: Argh, Pope Preparations. Photos+Video ? Shalom Chaverim, this is the small piece of real estate in Yerushalyim that is the centre of controversy during the Papal visit. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. http://mysticalpaths.blogspot.com/2009/05/argh-pope-preparations-photosvideo.html _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090511/f6ae50e3/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Your mother would have been so proud of you Cornie. Stay > strong - I am praying. May HaShem be with you always. Catherine > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090511/d457d453/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Mon May 11 06:18:29 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:18:29 +1000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina.] Message-ID: Dearest Cornie - I know you express how you feel weak and wish you were able to help others more. It's humbling to hear you say this, because you are such a wonderful example and support to us all. Your perceived weakness is perhaps your greatest strength. Your words speak from the heart, and your courage is evident. You're in my prayers Cornie and a wonderful valuable person. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090511/5ac1ede6/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Mon May 11 06:21:42 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:21:42 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina - Cornie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A080A46.6020409@gninc.ca> Joe and all, just missed mentioning. My mothers name was Tina, and also my dearest sisters name is Tina. My sister and us live a couple of hours apart. Although she can not dare to leave Christianity, but she does not hold me for what I believe. She is a mother of ten. We are very close in spite of what i believe different. Her husband Joe, past away about 6 month ago. It has been very hard on her. Cornie Catherine Cashmore wrote: > Cornie - your words break my heart. You are such a beautiful soul - > never doubt that. You have been through so much, and the love you > express - even though it comes through terribly painful experiences - > just goes to further prove what a remarkable person you are. Despite > your situation, you remain string and faithful. you are a wonderful > example. Your mother would have been so proud of you Cornie. Stay > strong - I am praying. May HaShem be with you always. Catherine > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090511/4bf091dc/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Mon May 11 06:25:39 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:25:39 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Seeking advice Message-ID: Thank you all for your advice regarding the holocaust and the references and your prayers for David. I am starting to understand how wonderfully blessed we are to have each other. My heart is with you all, and I will keep you updated on David. How wonderful HaShem is to bring us together under his wings. I love you all - you are my family. I feel so undeserving of this blessing - yet I am so grateful. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090511/62688cf5/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Mon May 11 06:29:55 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 06:29:55 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. In-Reply-To: References: <4A06C673.3060203@westnet.com.au> <4A06FEA4.5030204@gninc.ca> Message-ID: <4A080C33.60201@gninc.ca> Thank you Sharon All is different again. I love you all. I got to run off to work shortly. Cornie Stephen & Sharon wrote: > Dearest Cornie, > > You express thoughts and emotions which are, I would guess, not > unfamiliar to many of us - bless you! > All will be restored and healed as we move closer to the great > redemption. B"H! > > Sharon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Cornie Reimer > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:19 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. > > Dear Joe > I am envious of all of you who can relate to a dear mother on > mothers day. My mother, with a very few though precious memories, > passed away far to young, when I was 5. I could not grasp what was > going on. My own dear wife has warned me recently, not to get her > a mothers day card. ( yes, I know it is a bipolar symptom) I guess > i must seem very callous to her, which i can not describe in words > what that does to me. It makes me feel like I truly must be a > nobody. Maybe that explains why I appear so cold to express what > you others can do with such warmth. My heart is broken, to put it > mildly. > > Maybe I should have written this to you personally, which I > thought I had done in the letter to Pat, but found out it some how > was addressed to the dialogue. > > Cornie > > > > JOE INDOMENICO wrote: >> /Shalom Chaverim, >> >> I just returned home from visiting my father and sister in >> Brisbane today with Heidi and I was overwhelmed by your touching >> emails. You all brought tears of joy to my heart beyond >> imagination. Thank you all for loving and tender words. >> >> I paid my respects at the cemetery to my loving mother Tina. >> >> Yes Margie she was beautiful in all aspects of her life. >> Physically and spiritually. She taught me the importance in life >> of always making deposits and never extracting withdrawals so >> that at the moment of death you would never be spiritually and >> morally bankrupt. She was a trillionaire through and through. I >> wish I could be a fraction of her. >> >> Helen, I will never forget her smile. The photo was taken before >> she fell ill. Even though she deteriorated physically , she never >> lost that smile. Two years before she died I was able to get her >> a Bible in Italian. I was so proud of her when I used to walk >> into the dialysis unit at hospital and she her engrossed in >> reading whilst all the other ladies were reading junk women's >> magazines. When she saw me she would get all excited and that >> smile when she would read to me her favourite passages about >> Israel and HaShem's grace. One of her favourite passages was the >> confession of Ruth's love for Naomi and the G-d of Israel. This >> was read together with Isaiah 43 v 1-5 at her funeral. >> >> Hanoch, Achi, what can I say ... your words really touched a soft >> spot in my heart. I am sure that you also today remembered your >> mother Zeisel, of blessed memory. I know that we have spoken >> about this before but you are also a wonderful product of >> maternal love. Her guidance and encouragement of love is a >> genuine tribute to the way that you also reared your beautiful >> daughters Ayala and Kyra. The way that you instilled Emunah and >> Ahavat HaShem v'Yisrael in your daughters is the ultimate >> testimony on the worth of a righteous mother. We both won jackpot >> in this aspect of life. >> Your kind words towards the living memory of my mother are very >> humbling. She loved Israel and she always mourned for the mothers >> of the victims of homicide bombings . I recall one day that she >> was not feeling all that well and I tried to comfort her. That >> very day the terrorists killed all those beautiful young Israeli >> teenage girls at the disco in Tel Aviv. Even though my mother was >> in pain she commented that her pain was for the mothers of the >> innocent victims of the cruel bombings. May HaShem avenge their >> innocent blood. >> My mother never visited Israel but Israel visited her. In her >> grave I poured a small bucket of soil from Yerushalayim, a small >> bottle of stream water from the River Jordan, a small piece of >> timber from an olive tree in the Galilee and an olive leaf from >> the Garden of Gethsemane. These we given to my mother by a friend >> and she cherised them so much that she requested to be buried >> with them. >From the moment I shared the Emet of the Tanach with >> my mother she instantly became converted, even though she was >> brought up as a Catholic. I am still amazed to this very day. Not >> one if, what or maybe. Thanks again Achi. >> >> Elisheva, you also would have felt this day together with James >> and your family with the loss of your mother Hazel Mae. >> Mothers , aren't they the most precious expression of HaShem's >> unconditional love. >> That is the bitter sweet that you speak of. The sweetness of the >> wonderful memories and the bitter of not hearing, seeing and >> touching them. >> In my life, I must admit that the women are a special blessing. >> The theme of unconditional love is always the undercurrent. My >> mother and I would not be here but for the love and grace of my >> grandmother Maria. >> My Nonna Maria had 22 babies of which only 6 survived past the >> first year. >> My Grandfather Carmelo went to Argentina to work in order to >> support the family. They had five children at the time. >> Well he did support them for the first 6 months and then shacked >> up with a muchacha from Beunos Aires and forgot about his wife >> and children. >> Nonna Maria was left to raise 5 children on her own. These were >> the years during and after the depression. All she could do was >> bake bread. So she scrounged a living . >> After 9 years there was a knock on the door and it was my >> grandfather. She took him back , no questions asked. She forgave >> him unconditionally. They resumed their marriage. >> At the age of 50 my grandmother was pregnant with my mother, well >> after her menopause. >> During child birth , 3 times both my grandmother and mother >> almost died. In fact , my mother was baptized three times by >> three different nurses because they thought she would die. >> Because of this my mother was given 3 NAMES. >> Baruch HaShem. The power of unconditional love , grace and >> forgiveness. >> >> Ross, thank you for your kind words of support. I appreciate them >> very much. >> Please cherish your mother while she is alive and never get tired >> of telling her how much you love her. >> >> I hope that all the mothers on the dialogue list are having a >> warm and loving day with the families. >> May HaShem grant you all the love and respect that you deserve. >> You are all wonderful . >> >> Finally, I was given a treat by my father today during my visit. >> He gave me an old photograph of Mamma Tina and yours truely while >> we were still living in Sicily. I was two years old. >> Thank you HaShem for my Papa' >> >> Shalom v'Ahavah >> JOE. >> / >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dick L Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Invited Back on Tovia Singer Show >I posted it on SWW and sent the invite to hundreds! > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net > > Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 03:10:46 > To: > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Invited Back on Tovia Singer Show > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ From correim at gninc.ca Mon May 11 15:10:56 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:10:56 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever In-Reply-To: <661182.29043.qm@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <661182.29043.qm@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A088650.8000306@gninc.ca> Helen and all, I am trying to clear out some e-mails, And came across yours again. It is so encouraging. Thank you. I came down a bit abruptly during the week-end but that has all changed. B.H. Today is so good again, another day of grace, like the sun coming out after a rain storm. Cornie Helen Lusk wrote: > Dear Cornie: > > Your news just made my day!. Baruch Hashem for His lovingkindness to > you and to us all. May you be encouraged and strengthened by this new > course you have enrolled in. It is providential that you have been > brought to us. You are such a blessing! > > Shalom and kind regards, > > Helen > > --- On *Tue, 5/5/09, Patricia Robbins //* > wrote: > > From: Patricia Robbins > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 7:05 PM > > Rejoicing over your good news, Cornie!!!! Thank you for letting > us know. It's such an encouragement to be made aware that HaShem > is answering prayer. BARUCH HASHEM!!!!! > > Pat > > *From:* Cornie Reimer > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:59 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever > > Thank you Pat, your prayer has been answered already, Baruch > Hashem, and while i was rejoicing with GLADNESS OF HEART anyway, I > got a double blessing today. I don't know if you are acquainted > with Shifra Hendries, Turning Walls into Doorways Membership Club. > I decided yesterday, to sign up for that course, $80.00 per month. > I had wondered if I could afford it, and of all things, guess > what!!! Hashem is my provider, I got my old job back of all days > today. That is, 4 hours a day. That is all they need it for, and > that is all I really care to do, isn't that special > providence!!!!!!!!!! I had been laid off since the middle of Oct. > /08. And that is not all, I got a special offer for Internet for a > year, that saves me almost half of what that course will cost. And > that got arranged about an hour ago. > > Blessings to you all, we may all go through tough times though, > throughout the coming year, but with emuna in the hardest of > trials, it will be rewarded by one who cares for us all. > > Cornie > > > > Patricia Robbins wrote: >> Cornie, I don't think you have any idea how much your sweet >> spirit boosts everyone with whom you come in contact. You are >> very much appreciated, Dear Brother. Not only did I love what >> you sent, but just seeing your name on the message is always >> uplifting. Am praying that our loving Father bless you this >> day with GLADNESS OF HEART! - And I'm asking Him for some for me >> too!!! >> >> Shalom Shalom, >> >> Pat >> >> *From:* Cornie Reimer >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:17 AM >> *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever >> >> Hi Patricia >> I was sending this out with a deep desire that my heart could be >> soaring above to heights, that some times seem so unobtainable. >> and just before a time of devotion and cry to Hashem to take me >> through the day, quickly checking my e-mails, I came upon this >> article by Lazer Brody, it so touched me i just wanted to share >> that with others. >> >> Just a little later i was prompted to check my e-mails again, and >> yours was the only one that came in so soon as a response. My >> heart just skipped for joy to see such a quick response with such >> warmth. Isn't this a small world? Hashem has such a sense of >> humor to try to ignite my old bones to start dancing for joy, in >> spite of any trials that may want to hinder it! >> >> Cornie >> >> >> >> Patricia Robbins wrote: >>> Love it, Cornie! Thank you!!! >>> >>> >>> *From:* Cornie Reimer >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:27 AM >>> *To:* Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >>> *Subject:* [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever >>> >>> Hi all, isn't this neat? >>> >>> Cornie >>> >>> >>> >>> FeedBlitz wrote: >>>> Your email updates, powered by FeedBlitz >>>> >>>> >>>> Here are the latest updates for *correim at gninc.ca >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> *"Lazer Beams >>>> "* - 1 new article >>>> >>>> 1. Moshiach is a Breslever >>>> >>>> >>>> 2. More Recent Articles >>>> >>>> >>>> 3. Search Lazer Beams >>>> >>>> >>>> *Moshiach is a Breslever >>>> * >>>> >>>> Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is >>>> Breslever shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking >>>> to Hashem is neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor >>>> Sephardish, nor Litvish; it's not Rav Kookish either. Talking >>>> to Hashem - especially out in the field - is right out of the >>>> Torah. Ask Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. 24:63). The entire Book of >>>> Psalms is none other than King David's diary of personal prayer. >>>> King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a >>>> Na-Nach (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big >>>> surprise when they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC >>>> Van that's distributing emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and >>>> Gaza borders... >>>> When Moshiach comes, people will be sorry that they >>>> hadn't learned emuna or how to talk to Hashem in personal >>>> prayer. They'll also be really sorry that they're out of shape >>>> from junk food and lack of exercise, because they won't be able >>>> to dance with Moshiach; wait and see how Moshiach dances in >>>> Hashem's honor - fire and fervor is an understatement. >>>> Na_nachs_dancing >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ? Email to a friend >>>> >>>> ? Article Search >>>> >>>> ? Related >>>> >>>> ? 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I think it is not only a form of praise, > but also of prayer whether one physically engages in the dance or just > "dances" in one' s head... > > > > Have you ever read the quote...sorry forgot where I got it...below....? > > > > "Prayer is sometimes > > upright kneeling > > motionless dancing > > and silent screaming" > > > > When I read this years ago, it really spoke to my heart. I have done > quite a bit of all of this lately... > > > > Blessings to you and all Cornie, > > > > Elisheva/Betty > > > > * From: * dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org > [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *Patricia Robbins > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:05 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever > > > > Rejoicing over your good news, Cornie!!!! Thank you for letting us > know. It's such an encouragement to be made aware that HaShem is > answering prayer. BARUCH HASHEM!!!!! > > > > Pat > > > > * From: * Cornie Reimer > > * Sent: * Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:59 PM > > * To: * dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > * Subject: * Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever > > > > Thank you Pat, your prayer has been answered already, Baruch Hashem, > and while i was rejoicing with GLADNESS OF HEART anyway, I got a > double blessing today. I don't know if you are acquainted with Shifra > Hendries, Turning Walls into Doorways Membership Club. I decided > yesterday, to sign up for that course, $80.00 per month. I had > wondered if I could afford it, and of all things, guess what!!! Hashem > is my provider, I got my old job back of all days today. That is, 4 > hours a day. That is all they need it for, and that is all I really > care to do, isn't that special providence!!!!!!!!!! I had been laid > off since the middle of Oct. /08. And that is not all, I got a special > offer for Internet for a year, that saves me almost half of what that > course will cost. And that got arranged about an hour ago. > > Blessings to you all, we may all go through tough times though, > throughout the coming year, but with emuna in the hardest of trials, > it will be rewarded by one who cares for us all. > > Cornie > > > > Patricia Robbins wrote: > > Cornie, I don't think you have any idea how much your sweet spirit > boosts everyone with whom you come in contact. You are very much > appreciated, Dear Brother. Not only did I love what you sent, but > just seeing your name on the message is always uplifting. Am praying > that our loving Father bless you this day with GLADNESS OF HEART! - > And I'm asking Him for some for me too!!! > > > > Shalom Shalom, > > > > Pat > > > > * From: * Cornie Reimer > > * Sent: * Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:17 AM > > * To: * dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > * Subject: * Re: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever > > > > Hi Patricia > I was sending this out with a deep desire that my heart could be > soaring above to heights, that some times seem so unobtainable. and > just before a time of devotion and cry to Hashem to take me through > the day, quickly checking my e-mails, I came upon this article by > Lazer Brody, it so touched me i just wanted to share that with others. > > Just a little later i was prompted to check my e-mails again, and > yours was the only one that came in so soon as a response. My heart > just skipped for joy to see such a quick response with such warmth. > Isn't this a small world? Hashem has such a sense of humor to try to > ignite my old bones to start dancing for joy, in spite of any trials > that may want to hinder it! > > Cornie > > > > Patricia Robbins wrote: > > Love it, Cornie! Thank you!!! > > > > > > * From: * Cornie Reimer > > * Sent: * Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:27 AM > > * To: * Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > * Subject: * [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - Moshiach is a Breslever > > > > Hi all, isn't this neat? > > Cornie > > > > FeedBlitz wrote: > > Your email updates, powered by FeedBlitz > > > Here are the latest updates for *correim at gninc.ca > * > > > * "Lazer Beams " - 1 > new article * > > 1. Moshiach is a Breslever <#40199_0> > 2. More Recent Articles <#40199_recap> > 3. Search Lazer Beams > > > * Moshiach is a Breslever > > * > > Cynics try to convince people that talking to Hashem is Breslever > shtick; thanks, but we can't take the credit. Talking to Hashem is > neither Breslevish, nor Chassidish, nor Sephardish, nor Litvish; it's > not Rav Kookish either. Talking to Hashem - especially out in the > field - is right out of the Torah. Ask Yitzchak Avinu (Gen. 24:63). > The entire Book of Psalms is none other than King David's diary of > personal prayer. > > King David was not only a Breslever, he danced just like a Na-Nach > (Samuel II, 6:14). A lot of people will be in for a big surprise when > they see Moshiach dancing on the roof of a GMC Van that's distributing > emuna books and CDs on the Lebanese and Gaza borders... > > When Moshiach comes, people will be sorry that they > hadn't learned emuna or how to talk to Hashem in personal prayer. > They'll also be really sorry that they're out of shape from junk food > and lack of exercise, because they won't be able to dance with > Moshiach; wait and see how Moshiach dances in Hashem's honor - fire > and fervor is an understatement. > > Na_nachs_dancing > > > > > . 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He didn't apologize for the actions of the Church - because he doesn't necessarily *disagree* with them.....I grew up with Catholics - they're really very consistent in their views....stop expecting them to change; they won't. * Hanoch* Yad Vashem Unhappy With Pope's Words Iyar 17, 5769, 11 May 09 06:40 by by Hillel Fendel (IsraelNN.com) Pope Benedict XVI arrived at the official residence of President Shimon Peres in Jerusalem on Monday afternoon, and from there departed for a visit to the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum. His speech at Yad Vashem did not receive high grades. At Yad Vashem, former Chief Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau ? a child Holocaust survivor ? and Knesset Speaker Ruby Rivlin joined President Shimon Peres in hosting the pope. Rabbi Lau had said earlier that he hopes to hear a message of apology from the Pope for the Church?s silence during the Holocaust. His hope remained unfulfilled. The pope met and exchanged brief words with six Holocaust survivors before delivering his remarks. Though expressing his strong condemnation at the fact that ?millions of Jews were horrifically killed,? and his firm belief that though they ?lost their lives, they did not lose their names ? and certainly not before the A-lmighty G-d,? he did not relate to the Nazis by name, nor to the Church?s actions during the Shoah period. *Comparing Victims Then and Today *?The Catholic Church feels deep compassion for the victims remembered here,? he said, ?and it also draws close to those who are subjected to persecution today as well. As Bishop of Rome and successor to Peter, I reaffirm that the Church is committed to praying and working tirelessly that [this never happens again].? *Rabbi Lau: Disappointed *Yad Vashem Council Chairman Rabbi Lau waited until after the visit to declare his disappointment with the Pope?s words. He stated that the pope did not use the words Nazis or murdered, and did not express his personal pain and anguish as did Pope John Paul II during his visit in 2000. "It was a nice speech," Rabbi Lau said, "and even moving at times. But he did not mention that it was the Nazis who did the murdering, nor a word of his personal participation in the feelings of pain and sorrow. Even the phrase 'six million' wasn't there, he merely talked about 'millions' who were killed... Not to mention that he didn't say 'I apologize.'" *Finds a Positive Point *Rabbi Lau also mentioned what he felt was a positive aspect of the speech: "It was important in that he said we must not deny, minimize or forget the Holocaust. These are three important points, especially at these times." *In Favor of Palestinian State *Earlier in the day, at the official welcoming ceremony at Ben Gurion International Airport, the Pope expressed his hope for a diplomatic solution to the Israeli-Arab conflict that would see "both nations living in secure and recognized borders" - a reference to the two-state solution that the current Israeli government opposes. >From Yad Vashem, the pope and his entourage departed for his last official stop of the day, an interfaith meeting at Notre Dame Guest House just outside the New Gate of the Old City, near Jaffa Rd. Earlier in the day, President Peres welcomed him at his official residence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090511/c5aae832/attachment.html From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com Mon May 11 17:09:18 2009 From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:09:18 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message References: <855590370905080259tb99beb3gbbf042fe17e8e7fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c9d285$21b62bc0$6e01a8c0@user57kkpmrfo8> Avigail ! You are not the only one asking these questions??? There is no justice in this world today. Laws are written to protect the guilty, and even when proven guilty, the Govt gets there's and the innocent get's NO compensation for there losses. People today are not informed, cause it takes time & effort to learn, so its easier to be a blind follower & go with the flow. It sicken's me as well. That's why Jame's talk show would be great for interested people to learn the basics. Of course they are not used to be able to ask Questions, or they are afraid to anyway. More talk shows are needed, no doubt about it. Dick L ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia Robbins To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message What I don't understand is WHY the nations are pushing out the Jews, while at the same time pushing for the Jews to give up more and more of the Land G-d gave to them as an eternal inheritance. Obviously they are trying to give them no place at all. This is even more perplexing when you consider that it is NOT the Jews who are threatening, terrorizing and killing throughout the world, and yet THEY are the ones that the nations have decided must go?????? Avigail From: Hanoch Young Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:59 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message Sometimes, the seemingly most innocuous articles contain a vital message......During the original debate on this issue in Norway, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" It seems that the Jews of Europe still haven't gotten the message that they are no longer welcome "guests." Time to go home, while they still can....The Galut (Exile) is ending.. Hanoch Published: 05/08/09, 11:52 AM Even After EU Vote, European Shechita Still in Danger by Hillel Fendel (IsraelNN.com) Despite the EU Parliament's vote Wednesday to legalize ?shechita,? the Jewish method of humane animal slaughter is still very much in danger. It was reported on Thursday that the European Jewish Community ?hailed? the European Parliament?s vote to legalize the traditional Jewish method of slaughter into European law. However, it was later clarified that in fact, the Parliament only has consultative status in this case, and that the European Union?s Council of Agricultural Ministers will have the final say when it convenes next month ?Shechita,? as the Jewish method of animal slaughter is referred to in Hebrew, is currently forbidden in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania; Switzerland permits shechita for poultry only. Switzerland and Norway are not member nations of the EU. Though the EU Parliament vote represents a significant victory for the coalition of the European Jewish Congress, as well the Conference of European Rabbis and Shechita EU, the fight is far from over. The Parliament resolved only to ?introduce laws? that would be binding across Europe to allow animal slaughter "in accordance with religious rites.? However, the final text of the proposed amendment to EU law will be brought before the above-mentioned Council in June ? but not necessarily in a manner favorable to Jewish interests. The Council, which will convene on June 22-23 in Brno, Czech Republic, will vote on a proposal to require that all animals be pre-stunned before slaughter. If the regulation passes, EU Member States would ban a practice that has been governed by halakhah (Jewish Law) and observed by Jews for thousands of years. Pre-stunning is forbidden by Jewish Law, and thus a ban on kosher slaughter in the European Union may be a reality as of next month. A spokesperson for the European Jewish Congress, which has been spearheading efforts to legalize shechita all across Europe, confirmed to Israel National News that ?only if the Council decides to pass exactly the same proposal as amended by the Parliament will this change of legalization take place.? The spokesperson further acknowledged that though the Council must take the Parliament vote into account, it is ?unlikely? that the same vote will pass in the Council. Melchior: "...no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? "The regulation must not be drafted to allow Governments in Europe to threaten our culture and our freedom to observe our religion," said Philip Carmel of the Conference of European Rabbis. "We will be working very closely with Member States to achieve a satisfactory outcome for all Jewish communities in Europe when they agree upon the final text in June." Rabbi Michael Melchior, former chief rabbi of Norway and a former Knesset Member, has said that kosher slaughter is more humane than the more common methods of animal slaughter. "The shechitah process ensures that the animal loses consciousness immediately," he explained. "We have been dealing with this issue for many years, and there are many scientific studies that back us up." The anti-shechita campaign has been viewed as anti-Semitic by many Jews in Europe. When Holland outlawed the kosher slaughter of large bulls in 2002, Rabbi Melchior responded, "They simply don't want foreigners, and they don't want Jews. I won't say this is the only motivation, but it's certainly no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? ?I also know,? the rabbi said, ?that during the original debate on this issue in Norway, where shechitah has been banned since 1930, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:44:35 -0700 Size: 12012 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090512/2064632c/attachment.eml From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Mon May 11 18:48:11 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:48:11 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message In-Reply-To: <001901c9d285$21b62bc0$6e01a8c0@user57kkpmrfo8> References: <855590370905080259tb99beb3gbbf042fe17e8e7fa@mail.gmail.com> <001901c9d285$21b62bc0$6e01a8c0@user57kkpmrfo8> Message-ID: Totally agree with you, Dick. And I was able to listen in to Tovia and James last week. It was a tremendous show! Can't wait to hear this one coming up on Wednesday! Avigail From: Dick L Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:09 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message Avigail ! You are not the only one asking these questions??? There is no justice in this world today. Laws are written to protect the guilty, and even when proven guilty, the Govt gets there's and the innocent get's NO compensation for there losses. People today are not informed, cause it takes time & effort to learn, so its easier to be a blind follower & go with the flow. It sicken's me as well. That's why Jame's talk show would be great for interested people to learn the basics. Of course they are not used to be able to ask Questions, or they are afraid to anyway. More talk shows are needed, no doubt about it. Dick L ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia Robbins To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message What I don't understand is WHY the nations are pushing out the Jews, while at the same time pushing for the Jews to give up more and more of the Land G-d gave to them as an eternal inheritance. Obviously they are trying to give them no place at all. This is even more perplexing when you consider that it is NOT the Jews who are threatening, terrorizing and killing throughout the world, and yet THEY are the ones that the nations have decided must go?????? Avigail From: Hanoch Young Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:59 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Sometimes it's easy to overlook a vital message Sometimes, the seemingly most innocuous articles contain a vital message......During the original debate on this issue in Norway, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" It seems that the Jews of Europe still haven't gotten the message that they are no longer welcome "guests." Time to go home, while they still can....The Galut (Exile) is ending.. Hanoch Published: 05/08/09, 11:52 AM Even After EU Vote, European Shechita Still in Danger by Hillel Fendel (IsraelNN.com) Despite the EU Parliament's vote Wednesday to legalize ?shechita,? the Jewish method of humane animal slaughter is still very much in danger. It was reported on Thursday that the European Jewish Community ?hailed? the European Parliament?s vote to legalize the traditional Jewish method of slaughter into European law. However, it was later clarified that in fact, the Parliament only has consultative status in this case, and that the European Union?s Council of Agricultural Ministers will have the final say when it convenes next month ?Shechita,? as the Jewish method of animal slaughter is referred to in Hebrew, is currently forbidden in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania; Switzerland permits shechita for poultry only. Switzerland and Norway are not member nations of the EU. Though the EU Parliament vote represents a significant victory for the coalition of the European Jewish Congress, as well the Conference of European Rabbis and Shechita EU, the fight is far from over. The Parliament resolved only to ?introduce laws? that would be binding across Europe to allow animal slaughter "in accordance with religious rites.? However, the final text of the proposed amendment to EU law will be brought before the above-mentioned Council in June ? but not necessarily in a manner favorable to Jewish interests. The Council, which will convene on June 22-23 in Brno, Czech Republic, will vote on a proposal to require that all animals be pre-stunned before slaughter. If the regulation passes, EU Member States would ban a practice that has been governed by halakhah (Jewish Law) and observed by Jews for thousands of years. Pre-stunning is forbidden by Jewish Law, and thus a ban on kosher slaughter in the European Union may be a reality as of next month. A spokesperson for the European Jewish Congress, which has been spearheading efforts to legalize shechita all across Europe, confirmed to Israel National News that ?only if the Council decides to pass exactly the same proposal as amended by the Parliament will this change of legalization take place.? The spokesperson further acknowledged that though the Council must take the Parliament vote into account, it is ?unlikely? that the same vote will pass in the Council. Melchior: "...no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? "The regulation must not be drafted to allow Governments in Europe to threaten our culture and our freedom to observe our religion," said Philip Carmel of the Conference of European Rabbis. "We will be working very closely with Member States to achieve a satisfactory outcome for all Jewish communities in Europe when they agree upon the final text in June." Rabbi Michael Melchior, former chief rabbi of Norway and a former Knesset Member, has said that kosher slaughter is more humane than the more common methods of animal slaughter. "The shechitah process ensures that the animal loses consciousness immediately," he explained. "We have been dealing with this issue for many years, and there are many scientific studies that back us up." The anti-shechita campaign has been viewed as anti-Semitic by many Jews in Europe. When Holland outlawed the kosher slaughter of large bulls in 2002, Rabbi Melchior responded, "They simply don't want foreigners, and they don't want Jews. I won't say this is the only motivation, but it's certainly no coincidence that one of the first things Nazi Germany forbade was kosher slaughter.? ?I also know,? the rabbi said, ?that during the original debate on this issue in Norway, where shechitah has been banned since 1930, one of the parliamentarians said straight out, 'If they don't like it, let them go live somewhere else.'" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090511/4cc6ad06/attachment.html From chattertonw at bellsouth.net Mon May 11 19:44:14 2009 From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (W Glenn Chatterton) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] for your consideration... se the italics Message-ID: <404090.62497.qm@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Signs Point Toward ?Cataclysmic? War in Middle East A former top American intelligence official agrees with a Messianic pastor that major and possibly calamitous events will unfold in the Middle East in the coming year. ?I think within 12 months something is going to happen, one way or another,? said retired Lt. Gen. William Boykin, who served as deputy undersecretary of defense for Intelligence from 2003 to 2007. His concerns are echoed by best-selling novelist Joel C. Rosenberg, whose works have uncannily foreshadowed real events including 9/11. ?I don?t know how much time we have. I believe a cataclysmic war is coming in the Middle East ,? he said. Messianic pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai ministries in Puyallup, Wash., garnered attention last year with his announcement of the discovery of a rare sequence of lunar and solar eclipses, a ?tetrad,? all falling on key feast days on the Jewish calendar over a two-year period. The last time that happened, the Jews recaptured Jerusalem , Biltz said. ?The time before that [was] 1949, 1950, right after they became a nation. But both times it was tied around a major war.? Additional signs this year and next portend more of the same, according to Biltz. ?The sun and the moon were God?s signals to us,? he said. ?When they fall on his divine appointments, He?s trying to tell us that we need to look to him and hear what he?s saying.? While Biltz and other messianic believers watch the heavens, ?others are watching the headlines and getting the same message,? station KMPH in Fresno , Calif. , reported. Gen. Boykin told a station reporter at a conference in San Diego that he foresees ?something? happening in the coming year and added: ?I?m watching the Iranian nuclear program very carefully. No one really knows how long, I don?t even think the Iranian themselves know how long it will take them to have a deliverable nuclear weapon, but they?re moving there rapidly.? Author Rosenberg, who was an adviser to then-Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the 1990s, foresees a cataclysm in the near future, and he has been remarkably prescient in his books. For instance, his New York Times best-seller ?The Last Jihad? describes the hijacking of a jet by radical Islamic terrorists who use it to launch a kamikaze attack on an American city. That leads to a war with Iraq ?s Saddam Hussein over terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. ?I wrote those chapters nine months before September 11, 2001,? Rosenberg told KMPH at the conference. His book ?The Last Days? begins with a U.S. diplomatic convoy driving into Gaza on a peacekeeping mission. The convoy is attacked by terrorists. Six days before the book went on sale in October 2003, an American diplomatic convoy driving into Gaza was attacked by terrorists. The book also foreshadowed a civil war among Palestinians similar to the hostilities that later erupted between Hamas and Fatah. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090511/75a61365/attachment.html From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Mon May 11 21:54:08 2009 From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:54:08 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] for your consideration... se the italics In-Reply-To: <404090.62497.qm@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <404090.62497.qm@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200905120254.n4C2s5U0031720@mail384c25.carrierzone.com> Glenn, Thanks for the "handwriting on the wall." My hunch is that if these cataclysms will come to pass, there will be a host of others, predicted in various books of the Tanach. Truly "Jacob's trouble" is upon us and this may be the quiet before the storm. If so, then we might see commensurate advances in the gathering of the tribes as well. Indeed we are seeing the process of Redemption coming to pass as we speak. May we be all plugged into HaShem's Guidance. Steve At 05:44 PM 5/11/2009, you wrote: >Signs Point Toward ???Cataclysmic??? War in Middle East > >A former top American intelligence official >agrees with a Messianic pastor that major and >possibly calamitous events will unfold in the Middle East in the coming year. > >???I think within 12 months something is going >to happen, one way or another,??? said retired >Lt. Gen. William Boykin, who served as deputy >undersecretary of defense for Intelligence from 2003 to 2007. > >His concerns are echoed by best-selling novelist >Joel C. Rosenberg, whose works have uncannily >foreshadowed real events including 9/11. > >???I don???t know how much time we have. I >believe a cataclysmic war is coming in the Middle East ,??? he said. > >Messianic pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai >ministries in Puyallup, Wash., garnered >attention last year with his announcement of the >discovery of a rare sequence of lunar and solar >eclipses, a ???tetrad,??? all falling on key >feast days on the Jewish calendar over a two-year period. > >The last time that happened, the Jews recaptured >Jerusalem , Biltz said. ???The time before that >[was] 1949, 1950, right after they became a >nation. But both times it was tied around a major war.??? > >Additional signs this year and next portend more >of the same, according to Biltz. > >???The sun and the moon were God???s signals to >us,??? he said. ???When they fall on his divine >appointments, He???s trying to tell us that we >need to look to him and hear what he???s saying.??? > >While Biltz and other messianic believers watch >the heavens, ???others are watching the >headlines and getting the same message,??? >station KMPH in Fresno , Calif. , reported. > >Gen. Boykin told a station reporter at a >conference in San Diego that he foresees >???something??? happening in the coming year and >added: ???I???m watching the Iranian nuclear >program very carefully. No one really knows how >long, I don???t even think the Iranian >themselves know how long it will take them to >have a deliverable nuclear weapon, but they???re moving there rapidly.??? > >Author Rosenberg, who was an adviser to >then-Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu >in the 1990s, foresees a cataclysm in the near >future, and he has been remarkably prescient in his books. > >For instance, his New York Times best-seller >???The Last Jihad??? describes the hijacking of >a jet by radical Islamic terrorists who use it >to launch a kamikaze attack on an American city. >That leads to a war with Iraq ???s Saddam >Hussein over terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. > >???I wrote those chapters nine months before >September 11, 2001,??? Rosenberg told KMPH at the conference. > >His book ???The Last Days??? begins with a U.S. >diplomatic convoy driving into Gaza on a >peacekeeping mission. The convoy is attacked by >terrorists. Six days before the book went on >sale in October 2003, an American diplomatic >convoy driving into Gaza was attacked by terrorists. > >The book also foreshadowed a civil war among >Palestinians similar to the hostilities that >later erupted between Hamas and Fatah. >_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090511/d0b30988/attachment.html From oneillcody at yahoo.com Mon May 11 23:23:37 2009 From: oneillcody at yahoo.com (oneillcody at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] How the Democratic Party Went from Thomas Jefferson to Karl Marx Message-ID: <230105.27568.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How the Democratic Party Went from Thomas Jefferson to Karl Marx""That brought us to our essential difference, the difference of the Evolutionary Collectivist and Marxist, the question whether the social revolution is, in its extremity, necessary, whether it is necessary to over throw one economic system completely before the new one can begin. I believe that through a vast sustained educational campaign the existing Capitalist system can be civilised into a Collectivist world system;" H.G. Wells, Russia in the Shadows This quote comes from H. G. Wells' conversation with Vladimir Lenin. Wells was highlighting the difference between Lenin's radical revolutionary program and Wells' own "Open Conspiracy" evolutionary collectivist program. What that means is that Lenin and H. G. Wells didn't disagree on the final destination, a collectivist world system... socialism on a global scale applied to everyone and every single country. What they disagreed on was how to get there. Lenin favored a violent overthrow of the existing free market capitalist systems, putting an end to democracy and individual freedoms by armed force, and replacing them with a revolutionary people's government that would administer social justice. As a Social Liberal, Wells favored a slow gradual takeover from within, using every cultural and political tool available to shift society over to a socialist system. He called this the "Open Conspiracy", because social liberals would openly work to end capitalism and replace it with socialism. Bill Ayers, Obama's close associate, is a good example of Lenin gone Wells, or a revolutionary socialist becoming a social liberal. The difference is that the revolutionary socialist plants bombs, the social liberal works from within the system to achieve the same ends over a longer period of time. In the United States, Social Liberalism took over the Democratic party in the early 20th century. That fundamental shift can be seen by comparing Grover Cleveland to Woodrow Wilson and FDR. As the last Classical Liberal Democratic President, Grover Cleveland was a firm believer in controlling the size of government, cutting taxes and vetoing most spending bills. He worked to reform the Federal government when needed, had little liking for unions or socialists and believed the Federal government should stay out of most affairs. This did not make him unusual, but in line with classical liberals all the way back to Thomas Jefferson. A mere twenty and forty years later, the next two Democratic Presidents, Wilson and FDR, were enthusiastic about expanding government and using its power to bring about social justice. The newly transformed Democratic Presidency believed that government should be in the business of regulating everything and poking its nose in everywhere. By the time FDR was using government regulation to control the price of meat and putting unions in the driver's seat, socialism was well and truly here. The Democratic party had gone from being classically liberal to socially liberal. Where the classical liberal thought that big government should leave people alone, and treated rights as freedom from government tyranny... the social liberal thought that government should control people to enforce social justice and disdained rights as "negative freedoms", instead favoring "positive freedoms" that would involve government abridging rights to create social and economic equality. The major shift from classical liberalism to social liberalism, required redefining government power. Where classical liberals saw government power as a tyrannical force that needed to be controlled, social liberals saw government power as a benign tyranny that could be used to check the greater danger of unregulated social and economic systems. Classical liberals believed freedom came from ending government intervention that created inequality. Social liberals believed that equality was more important than freedom, and that it could only be achieved by curbing anything that prevented equality. The Social Liberal takeover of the Democratic party was not complete with Wilson or FDR. It isn't complete today either, as there are Classical Liberal Democrats still in Congress and in various state governments. But with Obama, the Social Liberal takeover has reached almost revolutionary proportions. The two great Social Liberal moments in the 20th century came as political opportunities resulting from crises. FDR's New Deal and LBJ's Great Society were agile exploitations of an economic and social crisis that enabled them to push through a Social Liberal agenda that fundamentally altered the relationship between Americans and the Federal Government. Obama's ascension to power represents the Third Wave of Social Liberalism in America, exploiting the so-called economic crisis to execute an equally far reaching Social Liberal program. What the Marxists in Russia or Latin America have tried to do in a matter of years, Social Liberals in Europe and America have waited decades and even over a century to push through. With a free market economy and a long tradition of stubborn individualism, America represented the Social Liberal's greatest challenge. The Open Conspiracy has slowly worked to undermine that, emphasizing the security of government collectivism, pushing community over country, class and race over citizenship, and collectivization based thinking over individualism. Meanwhile America's cultural values and national standards have been chipped away at, making it possible for the vulgar adolescent charade that was the 2008 election to take place. By embracing social liberalism, the party of Jefferson broke down the "wall of separation" between government and the individual that served as the Constitutional guarantee of civil liberties against a tyrannical government. Social liberalism meant the end of individual rights and the beginning of civil rights with government authority placed above all else. And by doing so the Democratic party replaced individual freedoms with an all encompassing bureaucracy, and liberty with socialism, and now with Obama, America stands on the verge of closing the gap between Wells and Lenin, between the Evolutionary Collectivist and the Marxist. Nationalization, the Welfare State and Bureaucracies to control every aspect of human behavior are just some of the building blocks of the emerging "Great Society", the socialism with a human face that Social Liberals have aimed at for well over a century. Unlike Lenin's revolutionary overthrow of capitalism, our transition to a Marxist system was meant to be gradual and seamless. Like a lobster in a pot of boiling water, the temperature was being turned up slowly and gradually. Even now when banks are being nationalized and major automakers turned over to union ownership, it is mainly people over 40 who are even noticing that anything is wrong. The Revolution as it turns out will not be brought to you by Coke, but by Pepsi. Flags will be waved, even though they are no longer American flags. A new symbol has been created, a new seal has been set and a new America is being planted over the protesting remains of the old. But the struggle remains the same. The question is, will we choose to be free or slaves. Will we protect our freedom from government, or give up our freedom to government. Will we come out of the shadows of Obama and the Social Liberal revolution of 2008, or will a new Iron Curtain rise over the land of the free and the home of the brave. http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2009/05/how-democratic-party-went-from-thomas.html "To be courageous requires no exceptional qualifications, no magic formula, no special combination of time, place, and circumstance. It is an opportunity that sooner or later is presented to us all." --JFK-- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <855590370905120514n45e24856td84ff7404b57e770@mail.gmail.com> *Mahmoud Abbas: "I do not accept the Jewish State, call it what you will"* by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook Palestinian Authority president and Fatah chairman Mahmoud Abbas stated unequivocally Monday that he does not accept the Jewish state. "I say this clearly: I do not accept the Jewish State, call it what you will," he said at a preliminary conference of the Palestinian Youth Parliament in Ramallah. At the end of the conference, Abbas was presented with a large framed map of "Palestine," covering the entire area of Israel. The photo of the map being held aloft by a smiling Abbas was featured in a prominent front-page position in both PA daily newspapers. Note that the word "Palestine" appears on the map in English. The widespread condemnation of Iranian President Ahmadinejad's speech attacking Israel and Zionists at the UN's "Durban II" conference in Geneva made headlines around the world. But Western leaders and media seem reluctant to take the next step: Recognizing that the Iranian leader's views are not an isolated phenomenon, but are widespread in the Muslim world. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090512/f35c2170/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Tue May 12 07:19:00 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:19:00 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Happy Lag B'Omer!! Message-ID: Thanks Hanoch! I did a lot of reading about Lag B'Omer today. I'm ashamed to say I knew little if anythng about it. What I read today (mostly on Chabad.org) was great. I had no idea how many travelled to Mt Meron. It's amazing! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 04:50:07 -0700 Size: 5767 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090512/6c6fcd41/attachment.eml From chattertonw at bellsouth.net Tue May 12 07:48:31 2009 From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (W Glenn Chatterton) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 05:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] for your consideration... se the italics In-Reply-To: <200905120254.n4C2s5U0031720@mail384c25.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <993054.31474.qm@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Amein, meine fruend. --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Steve Mathe wrote: From: Steve Mathe Subject: Re: [Dialogue] for your consideration... se the italics To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 9:54 PM Glenn, Thanks for the "handwriting on the wall."?? My hunch is that if these cataclysms will come to pass, there will be a host of others, predicted in various books of the Tanach.? Truly "Jacob's trouble" is upon us and this may be the quiet before the storm.?? If so, then we might see commensurate advances in the gathering of the tribes as well.? Indeed we are seeing the process of Redemption coming to pass as we speak.? May we be all plugged into HaShem's Guidance. Steve At 05:44 PM 5/11/2009, you wrote: Signs Point Toward ?Cataclysmic? War in Middle East A former top American intelligence official agrees with a Messianic pastor that major and possibly calamitous events will unfold in the Middle East in the coming year. ?I think within 12 months something is going to happen, one way or another,? said retired Lt. Gen. William Boykin, who served as deputy undersecretary of defense for Intelligence from 2003 to 2007. His concerns are echoed by best-selling novelist Joel C. Rosenberg, whose works have uncannily foreshadowed real events including 9/11. ?I don?t know how much time we have. I believe a cataclysmic war is coming in the Middle East ,? he said. Messianic pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai ministries in Puyallup, Wash., garnered attention last year with his announcement of the discovery of a rare sequence of lunar and solar eclipses, a ?tetrad,? all falling on key feast days on the Jewish calendar over a two-year period. The last time that happened, the Jews recaptured Jerusalem , Biltz said. ?The time before that [was] 1949, 1950, right after they became a nation. But both times it was tied around a major war.? Additional signs this year and next portend more of the same, according to Biltz. ?The sun and the moon were God?s signals to us,? he said. ?When they fall on his divine appointments, He?s trying to tell us that we need to look to him and hear what he?s saying.? While Biltz and other messianic believers watch the heavens, ?others are watching the headlines and getting the same message,? station KMPH in Fresno , Calif. , reported. Gen. Boykin told a station reporter at a conference in San Diego that he foresees ?something? happening in the coming year and added: ?I?m watching the Iranian nuclear program very carefully. No one really knows how long, I don?t even think the Iranian themselves know how long it will take them to have a deliverable nuclear weapon, but they?re moving there rapidly.? Author Rosenberg, who was an adviser to then-Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the 1990s, foresees a cataclysm in the near future, and he has been remarkably prescient in his books. For instance, his New York Times best-seller ?The Last Jihad? describes the hijacking of a jet by radical Islamic terrorists who use it to launch a kamikaze attack on an American city. That leads to a war with Iraq ?s Saddam Hussein over terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. ?I wrote those chapters nine months before September 11, 2001,? Rosenberg told KMPH at the conference. His book ?The Last Days? begins with a U.S. diplomatic convoy driving into Gaza on a peacekeeping mission. The convoy is attacked by terrorists. Six days before the book went on sale in October 2003, an American diplomatic convoy driving into Gaza was attacked by terrorists. The book also foreshadowed a civil war among Palestinians similar to the hostilities that later erupted between Hamas and Fatah. ______________________________________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090512/ee470a4e/attachment.html From gets52000 at yahoo.com Tue May 12 12:38:52 2009 From: gets52000 at yahoo.com (susie getskow) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] for your consideration... se the italics In-Reply-To: <404090.62497.qm@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <449409.40648.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> We have the cd from Mark Biltz on the research he has done on the lunar and solar eclipses. I believe that the tetrad falls in the years 2014 and 15. With significant solar eclipses happening on the 9th of Av for three years prior. The info from NASA as to the pattern of these eclipses over the years is awesome. Very orderly and precise like Hashem! Another interesting topic is the Ghost Recon game scenarios. I am not a gammer but if you do research on the plots of the games it is like Rosenbergs books. I think the first Ghost Recon game's plot was Russia invading Georgia at exactly the time that it acutally happened. His further games have things happening in 2010, 11 etc. The writer of the games plots stated he had inside info that made him come up with the plots. Will be interesting to see if they come true. Susie --- On Mon, 5/11/09, W Glenn Chatterton wrote: From: W Glenn Chatterton Subject: [Dialogue] for your consideration... se the italics To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 5:44 PM Signs Point Toward ?Cataclysmic? War in Middle East A former top American intelligence official agrees with a Messianic pastor that major and possibly calamitous events will unfold in the Middle East in the coming year. ?I think within 12 months something is going to happen, one way or another,? said retired Lt. Gen. William Boykin, who served as deputy undersecretary of defense for Intelligence from 2003 to 2007. His concerns are echoed by best-selling novelist Joel C. Rosenberg, whose works have uncannily foreshadowed real events including 9/11. ?I don?t know how much time we have. I believe a cataclysmic war is coming in the Middle East ,? he said. Messianic pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai ministries in Puyallup, Wash., garnered attention last year with his announcement of the discovery of a rare sequence of lunar and solar eclipses, a ?tetrad,? all falling on key feast days on the Jewish calendar over a two-year period. The last time that happened, the Jews recaptured Jerusalem , Biltz said. ?The time before that [was] 1949, 1950, right after they became a nation. But both times it was tied around a major war.? Additional signs this year and next portend more of the same, according to Biltz. ?The sun and the moon were God?s signals to us,? he said. ?When they fall on his divine appointments, He?s trying to tell us that we need to look to him and hear what he?s saying.? While Biltz and other messianic believers watch the heavens, ?others are watching the headlines and getting the same message,? station KMPH in Fresno , Calif. , reported. Gen. Boykin told a station reporter at a conference in San Diego that he foresees ?something? happening in the coming year and added: ?I?m watching the Iranian nuclear program very carefully. No one really knows how long, I don?t even think the Iranian themselves know how long it will take them to have a deliverable nuclear weapon, but they?re moving there rapidly.? Author Rosenberg, who was an adviser to then-Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the 1990s, foresees a cataclysm in the near future, and he has been remarkably prescient in his books. For instance, his New York Times best-seller ?The Last Jihad? describes the hijacking of a jet by radical Islamic terrorists who use it to launch a kamikaze attack on an American city. That leads to a war with Iraq ?s Saddam Hussein over terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. ?I wrote those chapters nine months before September 11, 2001,? Rosenberg told KMPH at the conference. His book ?The Last Days? begins with a U.S. diplomatic convoy driving into Gaza on a peacekeeping mission. The convoy is attacked by terrorists. Six days before the book went on sale in October 2003, an American diplomatic convoy driving into Gaza was attacked by terrorists. The book also foreshadowed a civil war among Palestinians similar to the hostilities that later erupted between Hamas and Fatah._______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/1f0ad69b/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Tue May 12 20:20:49 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:20:49 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas In-Reply-To: <916300.6995.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <916300.6995.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A0A2071.4070106@gninc.ca> Hi Susie By the way Susie was the given name of my baby sister. But after she was adopted into a different home, after our mother passed away, things changed and her name was later changed to Levina. She is still my sister, and we still know each other quite well, and feel the tie, in spite of the fact that she was to forget her former family. Say Susie, you mentioned Eddy Chumney. I have heard Eddy speak in Kansas city on a conference, as long as i did not know the truth about the deception of Christianity, ( there are still very good Christians, or as far as that matters, messianic's, and Eddy is one of them,) but i am referring to deception, I am persuaded that unless Eddy has changed he likely is still deceived of some real truth. I probably still have quite a few of Eddies book's that i used to think very highly of, and still believe his sincerity may well be very genuine. I hope this does not cause hurt feelings. In case it does, take what I write with a grain of salt. This is my version I am not judging anyone for still being Christian or messianic. I was there almost all of my life. My own dear wife of over 50 years of marriage, with whom I still live together, and most of my family are still Christians, including Jamie, one of my grandsons. But Jamie is a lot more out side of the box, as it were. He still hopes that one day him and me will go to Israel together. Eddie's book on the teachings of the feast's and festivals, was very helpful and enlightening to me too. If I remember right you sent me an e-card at one time, a hearty thank you for it Susie! Cornie susie getskow wrote: > After an intense 14 weeks of Hashem himself peeling the scales from my > eyes regarding the truth of Scripture I finally searched the internet > for others who taught what Hashem had been telling me. Eddie Chumneys > teachings especially on the feasts and festivals were very helpful to me. > Susie > > --- On *Wed, 5/6/09, Hanoch Young //* wrote: > > From: Hanoch Young > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 7:32 AM > > Hey Margie - > > I've been spending the last 3 days with Eddie at his home in > Ohio. We've had some fascinating discussions, along with a > Bishop, who has opened up 106 non-denominational Churches in > PAKISTAN! Although we have chosen different paths in our > relationship to HaShem, it has been a truly amazing time, so far - > and more to come!! He's an amazingly bright guy, with exceptional > insights - particularly into the NT. We don't see it all the same > way, but it has been an extraordinary experience to understand > where he's coming from, and why. > > Enjoy the presentation - I know you will!! :-) > > Got to be careful what I say to you - after having received > numerous emails expressing concern about my laundry.....you guys > go hear Rav Chaim & Eddie - I'll take care of my wash, don't be > concerned! :-) If someone ever wants to help me fold though, > just let me know - I can't seem to get straight lines with ANY > clothing! > > Very best regards, > Hanoch > > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Margie Creech > > wrote: > > Wow! Texas seems to be getting a double dose! I just got an > email from Eddie Chumney and he will be in Texas during May. > > > *_MAY 13-14:_** **LIVE TV** ... **God's Learning Channel* > > *Special Guest: Eddie Chumney* > > *LIVE TV PROGRAM: **8PM - 10PM (CST)* > > *Eddie will be teaching on: Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation* > > *Website:** www.godslearningchannel.com > * > > > *_MAY 15:_** **ABILENE, TEXAS* > > *Speaker:** Eddie Chumney* > *Subject:** Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation* > > *Time:** 7PM* > *Contact: **Deb Myer* > > *Phone: **325-660-1952* > *E-mail:** drillertee at nts-online.net > * > > > *_MAY 16:_** **GREENVILLE, TEXAS* > > *Speaker: **Eddie Chumney* > > *Topic: **Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation* > > *Time:** 7PM* > *Where:** Serenity Hills Farm* > > *Contact Info:** Judy Weeks * > > *Phone:** 909-456-2086* > *E-mail: **r.weaks at argontech.net * > > > *vicinity of the ?DOME?. * > > > *MAY 17:** **DESOTO, TEXAS* > > *Speaker: **Eddie Chumney* > > *Subject:** Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation * > > *For more info contact: Elisa Norman* > > *Phone:** 817-881-6001* > --- On *Wed, 5/6/09, Brian / >/* wrote: > > From: Brian > > Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 6:05 AM > > > /./Shalom friends, > > I have an announcement for all of our fellow ROT friends > on ROF. > > Rabbi Chaim Richman will have four public speaking > appearances this month in Texas. > I assume he needs no introduction to this group. If he > does, I will include several links to the more formal > announcement. > > The specifics: > > Rabbi Chaim Richman, the International Director of the > Temple Institute in Jerusalem, will be speaking at the > following locations in Texas during May of 2009. Rabbi > Richman is one of the best-known authorities in the world > concerning the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, > as well as Jewish outreach and Torah-teaching to both Jews > and non-Jews. It is such a privilege to be able to learn > with him and to help him in these matters. Mark your > calendar. Find a way to attend. You won't want to miss it. > > _http://universaltorah.com/programming/speaking-schedules/ > > _*May 12, 2009 - Tuesday evening, 7 pm > In Austin, Texas* - Location: Allen Baca Center, 301 West > Bagdad Ave, Round Rock, Texas - right off intersection of > I-35 and FM 620, take FM 620 exit, turn left on FM 620 > about 3 blocks, on right side > > *May 13, 2009 - Wednesday evening, 7 pm > In the Dallas, TX area* - Location is now TBD. Please call > Andrea at 254-559-4096 or 903-736-0978 for location and time. > > *May 18, 2009 - Monday evening, 7 pm > In Abilene, Texas* - Location: Howard Johnson Plaza Hotel > (ballroom), 5203 S. 1st Street, Abilene, Texas (next to > Star Dodge and close to Sam?s Club). > > *May 19th - Tuesday evening, 7:00 pm > In Houston, Texas *- Location: Marriott - Houston Hobby > Airport, 9100 Gulf Freeway (I-45 S), Houston, Texas 77017 > (Houston promo link, feel free to print it and pass it on) > _http://universaltorah.com/promos/Rabbi%20Chaim%20Richman%20May%202009%20Houston.pdf > > _/Free Admission, Free-will donations for the work of the > Temple Institute will be accepted > / > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090512/d3d59778/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Tue May 12 20:28:06 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:28:06 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] mixed seeds In-Reply-To: <191802.25796.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <191802.25796.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A0A2226.3050107@gninc.ca> Hi to all gardeners, I am nothing special in gardening, although we do have an organic garden each year. That is very much in my interest. It is a lot of work to get a neglected garden to produce good healthy fruit and vegetables, I could learn a lot from others who know. Because too much of my time has been spent just getting bread on the table for a large family, as well as moving from one place to another. Cornie susie getskow wrote: > Margie, > Much has been written lately about the connection between food and > health especially cancer. The Makers Diet and Kevin Trudeau are two. I > do not think it is paranoid to know that the medical profession, drug > industry, FDA and food industry are all intertwined. There is huge > huge money to be had. It is all in their pocketbooks best interest for > us to be in need of their services. > This will be my first year of a big garden. I would love to be near > you to learn much from you. Harvesting the seeds for next year could > be my biggest challenge. The other day I tried looking for seeds on a > Basil plant I had let go and couldn't even find the seeds! Hopefully > not many will depend on me to keep them fed!! > Susie > > --- On *Wed, 5/6/09, Margie Creech //* wrote: > > From: Margie Creech > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:03 AM > > Susie, > I'm with you! Anything that has to do with USDA control, which is > our entire food supply, causes me to be suspicious. I believe the > rise in cancer and other diseases is directly related to our food > supply. It has very little nutritional value and is toxic from the > chemicals. I can remember the day when it was rare for someone to > have cancer. Now it seems everyone is sick. Call me paranoid but > I think there is a link here. I have been farming organic for the > last 5 years and every year my garden gets bigger. Of course, I > spend most of the summer out in the garden killing insects by > hand. I know there are things that are organic you can use but I > like being in the garden. The birds do a pretty good job > controlling many of them and so far they haven't eaten enough to > cause much damage. I wish y'all were close enough to share > in the bounty. > > --- On *Tue, 5/5/09, susie getskow //* wrote: > > From: susie getskow > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:22 PM > > The very best way to know you are eating non GMO food is to > grow it yourself by using heirloom seed. I am leary even of > "organic" as of who has control over what is considered > organic. At best if you buy organic make sure it states 100 > percent organic as packaging requirements are tricky. There is > much going on with the powers that be trying to control the > food market. Much legislation under "The Food and Safety Act" > that Monsanto is trying to control even organic growers. They > would like to make it illegal for anyone to grow food without > their control. Long ago King Neb tried to get the best of the > young of Israel to eat his food. Assimilation of the > Israelites into Babylon using food! Daniel and his mates > refused. They were much stronger and healthier than those that > did. > Susie > > --- On *Mon, 5/4/09, kim alvarado > //* wrote: > > From: kim alvarado > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:05 PM > > Betty, > > Do you know any sources for non GMO food in Houston? The > DFW area had a food co-op, but I haven't found an organic > food co-op here. > > Kim > > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Betty Eddy > > > wrote: > > In reference to today's reading, genetically modified > foods are a mixture. Not getting genetically modified > foods is another story. If you are interested, > http://www.responsibletechnology.org/ has some > information. It seems that the only way to avoid GM > foods is to eat everything organic, not always that > easy. If any of you have any other sites, I would be > interested. > Betty Eddy > // > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090512/3e73bd2e/attachment.html From ronheaton55 at yahoo.com Tue May 12 21:57:43 2009 From: ronheaton55 at yahoo.com (Ron Heaton) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Hello my new friends Message-ID: <91912.72416.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Is there, or does anyone know of anyone close to my area that I can get with and study and fellowship with. We will even open our house up if you would like to come here. We live in Denison, Texas about 70 miless north of Dallas Texas and about 10 mins from the OK state line. Also I was offered a job with a Security Company out of Dallas for a security gig here locally. I will be working M-F noon to 8pm. G_d blessed us so Terri and I can continue honoring the true Sabbath. This is not exactly what I wanted but G_d knows best. Maybe one day He will open the door and I can begin writing, which is my true passion. My email address is ronheaton55 at yahoo.com. Thank you my friends Ron Heaton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090512/ceb8b4a8/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Tue May 12 22:15:37 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:15:37 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Hello my new friends In-Reply-To: <91912.72416.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <91912.72416.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Wonderful to hear from you Ron. I wonder if you plan to go to Rabbi Chaim Richman's events in your area. Not only would the program be great, but you could likely meet some others. I do know that lots of folks interested in Torah faith live in Texas and many in the DFW area. Info on the Rabbi is posted at: http://www.rootsoffaith.net/events/public-lectures-by-rabbi-chaim Wonderful to hear about your job! James On May 12, 2009, at 10:57 PM, Ron Heaton wrote: > Is there, or does anyone know of anyone close to my area that I can > get with and study and fellowship with. We will even open our house > up if you would like to come here. We live in Denison, Texas about > 70 miless north of Dallas Texas and about 10 mins from the OK state > line. > > Also I was offered a job with a Security Company out of Dallas for a > security gig here locally. I will be working M-F noon to 8pm. G_d > blessed us so Terri and I can continue honoring the true Sabbath. > This is not exactly what I wanted but G_d knows best. Maybe one day > He will open the door and I can begin writing, which is my true > passion. > > My email address is ronheaton55 at yahoo.com. > > Thank you my friends > Ron Heaton > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090512/0481857e/attachment.html From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Wed May 13 01:00:44 2009 From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:00:44 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Hello my new friends In-Reply-To: References: <91912.72416.qm@web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200905130600.n4D60ScU027693@mail384c25.carrierzone.com> Ron, You are getting good advice from James below. I hope you will find many others at Rabbi Richman's lectures to fellowship and study with in your neck of the woods. It underscores my intent to advocate starting fellowships in all parts of the world, where people like yourself can regionally congregate, i.e. "gather." After all, Jacob tell his sons to "gather together ./ hikvatzu" ?And Jacob called unto his sons and said, Gather yourselves together that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days. Gather yourselves together and hear, ye sons of Jacob and hearken unto Israel your father.? ? (Gen. 49:1-2) Isaiah tells us the same: ?Assemble yourselves and come near together, ye that are escaped of the nations; they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.? ? (Isa. 45:20) Welcome to the list "new friend!" Steve At 08:15 PM 5/12/2009, you wrote: >Wonderful to hear from you Ron. I wonder if you >plan to go to Rabbi Chaim Richman's events in >your area. Not only would the program be great, >but you could likely meet some others. I do know >that lots of folks interested in Torah faith >live in Texas and many in the DFW area. Info on the Rabbi is posted at: > >http://www.rootsoffaith.net/events/public-lectures-by-rabbi-chaim > >Wonderful to hear about your job! > >James > > >On May 12, 2009, at 10:57 PM, Ron Heaton wrote: > >>Is there, or does anyone know of anyone close >>to my area that I can get with and study and >>fellowship with. We will even open our house >>up if you would like to come here. We live in >>Denison, Texas about 70 miless north of Dallas >>Texas and about 10 mins from the OK state line. >> >>Also I was offered a job with a Security >>Company out of Dallas for a security gig here >>locally. I will be working M-F noon to >>8pm. G_d blessed us so Terri and I can >>continue honoring the true Sabbath. This is >>not exactly what I wanted but G_d knows >>best. Maybe one day He will open the door and >>I can begin writing, which is my true passion. >> >>My email address is ronheaton55 at yahoo.com. >> >>Thank you my friends >>Ron Heaton >> >>_______________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090512/e9137c47/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Wed May 13 06:48:20 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:48:20 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Hello my new friends Message-ID: It's hearting to hear such a wonderful confession of faith Ron. My HaShem's face shine down on you and enlighten and bless you pursuit of His way. I will pray for you. Stay safe in the new job. Keep us updated on how you're progressing! Much love, Catherine _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/99ed1748/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 13 06:50:51 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 04:50:51 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... Message-ID: <855590370905130450j334e45dfy5d613ed1c7594298@mail.gmail.com> Latino Jews Staff It wasn?t until 1996 that Dell Sanchez of Texas discovered a well hidden family secret. For generations, the Sanchez women had known but buried the history about the family?s Sephardic Jewish roots. When Sanchez was told the secret by his father, he began a personal odyssey that would lead him to write four books on the subject, to found a Spanish Museum in Israel and to create a settlement in the Negev for Latinos with Sephardic ancestry that want to immigrate to the Jewish state. In addition, he runs an organization called the Aliyah Sephardic Center in Texas that encourages people to research their Sephardic lineage, and also encourages Latino ?Cryto Jews? (Hidden Jews) to invest in and do business with Israel. (See his Web site at www.4sephardim.com.) Sephardic Jews get their name from the term, *Sepharad,* a Biblical location identified as the Iberian Peninsula, which is modern day Spain and Portugal. In 1492, during the Spanish Inquisition, Spain banished all Jewish Spaniards to distant lands. Many fled torture and persecution and settled in northern Mexico and the southwestern part of the United States. Sanchez, who was in Phoenix in November for a seminar, says many U.S. Latinos are discovering their Jewish roots. ?Jewish genealogists have recently established a good, conservative estimate on the number of Sephardic Jews in the Americas,? he says. ?Experts are saying that at least 10 percent of all Hispanics have Sephardic Jewish roots.? Rebecca Ferrara is one local Latina who is finding out about her hidden ancestry. She is part of an organization called My Latino Roots ( www.mylatinoroots.org) that gathers information about Latino Cryto Jews. ?Doors are opening for our Hispanic people to make *Aliyah *(immigration) back to Israel,? Ferrara says. Interestingly, Sanchez?s movement coincides with Israel?s need for more Jewish immigration from the United States. The country is offering incentives to attract more American immigrants because Israel?s Arab minority is having children at a faster rate than Jews, and because immigration is at an 18-year low because of the volatile Mideast politics.? ?Latino Sephardic Jews are waking up to their true identity across the Americas and will be returning to the land of their forefathers,? Sanchez says. *This article appears in the December 2008issue of Latino Perspectives Magazine. * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/00c86570/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 13 07:03:38 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 05:03:38 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Why would anyone think the Hitler Youth Pope understands the Hebrew Bible? Message-ID: <855590370905130503j1f90fad1w32fe680a67eb61b2@mail.gmail.com> *Pope to Israel: Give your land to the Arabs* Stan Goodenough - May 11, 2009 Jerusalem Newswire Pope Benedict XVI Monday joined the international chorus that is demanding the Jews establish an Arab state on Israel`s land. The head of the Roman Catholic Church aired his plea within minutes of arriving at Ben Gurion Airport at the start of a five-day visit to "the Holy Land." Speaking in front of Israeli President Shimon Peres - who had just warmly welcomed him with the Hebrew words, "Blessed is he who comes" - and as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu looked on, the pope called on "all those responsible to explore every possible avenue in the search for a just resolution of the outstanding difficulties, so that both peoples may live in peace in a homeland of their own within secure and internationally recognized borders." Benedict, who is regarded by 1.3 billion people on the planet as God`s representative on earth, was adding his voice to those of virtually every political leader in the world, all of whom are insisting that the Jews hand over the land that same God gave to their forefathers as an everlasting inheritance. After nearly two decades of their predecessors` failed and painful efforts to secure peace by doing precisely that, Israel`s new government has indicated its reluctance to comply. Benedict`s stance, said The Jerusalem Post, immediately "put him at odds with his hosts on a trip aimed at easing strains between the Vatican and Jews." The pontiff`s position also contradicts what the Bible says concerning the ownership and future of this Land - and specifically of the so-called "occupied West Bank." Hundreds of millions of evangelical Christians strongly oppose what the world is demanding, and exhort Israel`s leaders to withstand the pressure. They believe that the Jews returned from their second exile to reestablish their national homeland in accordance with the foreknown and foretold plan of God. Netanyahu has in the past described Evangelicals as Israel`s most faithful friends. In the minds of probably the majority of Israelis, however, the size of the Roman Catholic Church and the consequent massive influence wielded by the pope make it the most important denomination in Christendom. The pope flew by Israeli Air Force helicopter from Ben Gurion to Jerusalem, where his feet touched down on that part of the Mount of Olives today known as Mount Scopus. 3965 W. 83rd. Street #292 Shawnee Mission, KS 66208 I Phone: 913.648.0022 I Fax: 913.648.7997 This site is designed for standards compliant browsers. If your browser is not standards compliant, download one here . Website copyright ? 2006. Unity Coalition for Israel. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And if you can actually read the accompanying Hebrew text, it reads there that the Pope, on the Temple Mount, visited ????? ???? ???? which translates as : "in the Dome of the Rock compound." That's even better. No Haram El-Sharif. Funny how ignorant journalists can make the correct mistakes. P.S. No video since Israel and the Palestinian Authority broadcasting companies couldn't reach an agreement on rights to distribute. And they still expect us to make peace? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We will even open our house up if you would like to come here. We live in Denison, Texas about 70 miless north of Dallas Texas and about 10 mins from the OK state line. Also I was offered a job with a Security Company out of Dallas for a security gig here locally. I will be working M-F noon to 8pm. G_d blessed us so Terri and I can continue honoring the true Sabbath. This is not exactly what I wanted but G_d knows best. Maybe one day He will open the door and I can begin writing, which is my true passion. My email address is ronheaton55 at yahoo.com. Thank you my friends Ron Heaton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill and Ted -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/4a745a16/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Wed May 13 09:17:02 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:17:02 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Fw: Daily Omer Reminder, Day 35 Message-ID: Here it is, John and Margie. From: mlc Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:42 AM To: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Subject: Daily Omer Reminder, Day 35 Tonight, Wednesday evening, May 13, we count thirty five days, which is five weeks of the Omer. Day 35 - Malchut of Hod: Nobility in Humility Walking humbly is walking tall. Dignity is the essence of humility and modesty. The splendor of humility is majestic and aristocratic. Humility that suppresses the human spirit and denies individual sovereignty is not humility at all. Does my humility make me feel dignified? Do I feel alive and vibrant? Exercise for the day: Teach someone how humility and modesty enhance human dignity. Excerpt from The Spiritual Guide to Counting the Omer, by Simon Jacobson. ?Copyright The Meaningful Life Center, 2009. All rights reserved. www.meaningfullife.com. Click here to order the book. For more information on this fascinating 49 day journey click here. To subscribe to this daily Omer reminder, please click here. -------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO COUNT THE OMER The Omer is counted at night, while standing, immediately following the evening prayer. You begin with the following blessing: Blessed are You, L-rd our G-d, King of the Universe, who has sanctified us with His commandments, and commanded us concerning the counting of the Omer. Following this blessing you count the specific day of the Omer, and then recite the following prayer: May the Merciful One restore the Holy Temple to its place, speedily in our days; Amen. For the Choirmaster; a song with instrumental music; a Psalm. May G-d be gracious to us and bless us; may He make His countenance shine upon us forever; that Your way be known on earth, Your salvation among all nations. The nations will extol You, O G-d; all the nations will extol You. The nations will rejoice and sing for joy, for You will judge the peoples justly and guide the nations on earth forever. The peoples will extol You, O G-d; all the peoples will extol You, for the earth will have yielded its produce and G-d; our G-d, will bless us. G-d will bless us; and all, from the farthest corners of the earth, shall fear Him. We implore you, by the great power of Your right hand, release the captive. Accept the prayer of Your people; strengthen us, purify us, Awesome One. Mighty One, we beseech You, guard as the apple of the eye those who seek Your Oneness. Bless them, cleanse them; bestow upon them forever Your merciful righteousness. Powerful, Holy One, in Your abounding goodness, guide Your congregation. Only and Exalted One, turn to Your people who are mindful of Your holiness. Accept our supplication and hear our cry, You who knows secret thoughts. Blessed be the name of the glory of His kingdom forever and ever. Master of the universe, You have commanded us through Moses Your servant to count Sefirat Ha-Omer, in order to purify us from our evil and uncleanness. As You have written in Your Torah, "You shall count for yourselves from the day following the day of rest, from the day on which you bring the Omer as a wave-offering; shall be for seven full weeks. Until the day following the seventh week shall you count fifty days," so that the souls of Your people Israel may be cleansed from their defilement. Therefore, may it be Your will, L-rd our G-d and G-d of our fathers, that in the merit of the Sefirat Ha-Omer which I counted today, the blemish that I have caused in the sefirah be rectified and I may be purified and sanctified with supernal holiness. May abundant bounty thereby be bestowed upon all the worlds. May it rectify our nefesh, ruach and neshamah from every baseness and defect, and may it purify and sanctify us with Your supernal holiness. Amen, selah. Please visit this link to update your preferences. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/7c8186a5/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Wed May 13 09:31:24 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... Message-ID: <650961.3636.qm@web58507.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hanoch, Thank you for this timely article.? I homeschooled a young lady in Texas that is a Latino.? She was a Catholic who had never read the Torah.? After reading it she was sure that her great grandmother was Jewish because of some of the customs she practiced, especially wedding customs.? She was fourteen at the time and had a love for the Torah that none of my other students came close to.? She went to her priest with many questions, which he told her to quit reading the Bible unless it was with a teacher in the church.? She kept me in hot water with her parents and her church.?She?was finally?asked to go to another Catholic church because she was causing too much trouble.? She?had been a? member of gang and stayed in trouble and that is?why I got her as a student.? I really believe that is the only reason her parents allowed her to stay in school at my house.? She graduated and joined the Marines the year I moved to Alabama but has stayed in touch.? I hadn't heard from her for about a year until yesterday. ?Her email to me?was an article about things not happening by?coincidence. ?I just have to believe it is no accident you posted this article and it is for her.? She left the Catholic church after she moved out of her parents house.? --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 6:50 AM Latino Jews Staff It wasn?t until 1996 that Dell Sanchez of Texas discovered a well hidden family secret.? ? For generations, the Sanchez women had known but buried the history about the family?s Sephardic Jewish roots. When Sanchez was told the secret by his father, he began a personal odyssey that would lead him to write four books on the subject, to found a Spanish Museum in Israel and to create a settlement in the Negev for Latinos with Sephardic ancestry that want to immigrate to the Jewish state. In addition, he runs an organization called the Aliyah Sephardic Center in Texas that encourages people to research their Sephardic lineage, and also encourages Latino ?Cryto Jews? (Hidden Jews) to invest in and do business with Israel.? (See his Web site at www.4sephardim.com.) Sephardic Jews get their name from the term, Sepharad, a Biblical location identified as the Iberian Peninsula, which is modern day Spain and Portugal.? In 1492, during the Spanish Inquisition, Spain banished all Jewish Spaniards to distant lands. Many fled torture and persecution and settled in northern Mexico and the southwestern part of the United States. ? Sanchez, who was in Phoenix in November for a seminar, says many U.S. Latinos are discovering their Jewish roots.? ? ?Jewish genealogists have recently established a good, conservative estimate on the number of Sephardic Jews in the Americas,? he says. ?Experts are saying that at least 10 percent of all Hispanics have Sephardic Jewish roots.? ? Rebecca Ferrara is one local Latina who is finding out about her hidden ancestry. She is part of an organization called My Latino Roots (www.mylatinoroots.org) that gathers information about Latino Cryto Jews. ? ?Doors are opening for our Hispanic people to make Aliyah (immigration) back to Israel,? Ferrara says. ? Interestingly, Sanchez?s movement coincides with Israel?s need for more Jewish immigration from the United States. The country is offering incentives to attract more American immigrants because Israel?s Arab minority is having children at a faster rate than Jews, and because immigration is at an 18-year low because of the volatile Mideast politics.? ? ?Latino Sephardic Jews are waking up to their true identity across the Americas and will be returning to the land of their forefathers,? Sanchez says. ? This article appears in the December?2008 issue of Latino Perspectives Magazine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: mlc Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:42 AM To: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Subject: Daily Omer Reminder, Day 35 ? Tonight, Wednesday evening, May 13, we count thirty five days, which is five weeks of the Omer. Day 35 - Malchut of Hod: Nobility in Humility Walking humbly is walking tall. Dignity is the essence of humility and modesty. The splendor of humility is majestic and aristocratic. Humility that suppresses the human spirit and denies individual sovereignty is not humility at all. Does my humility make me feel dignified? Do I feel alive and vibrant? Exercise for the day: Teach someone how humility and modesty enhance human dignity. Excerpt from The Spiritual Guide to Counting the Omer, by Simon Jacobson. ?Copyright The Meaningful Life Center, 2009. All rights reserved. www.meaningfullife.com. Click here to order the book. For more information on this fascinating 49 day journey click here. To subscribe to this daily Omer reminder, please click here. HOW TO COUNT THE OMER The Omer is counted at night, while standing, immediately following the evening prayer. You begin with the following blessing: Blessed are You, L-rd our G-d, King of the Universe, who has sanctified us with His commandments, and commanded us concerning the counting of the Omer. Following this blessing you count the specific day of the Omer, and then recite the following prayer: May the Merciful One restore the Holy Temple to its place, speedily in our days; Amen. For the Choirmaster; a song with instrumental music; a Psalm. May G-d be gracious to us and bless us; may He make His countenance shine upon us forever; that Your way be known on earth, Your salvation among all nations. The nations will extol You, O G-d; all the nations will extol You. The nations will rejoice and sing for joy, for You will judge the peoples justly and guide the nations on earth forever. The peoples will extol You, O G-d; all the peoples will extol You, for the earth will have yielded its produce and G-d; our G-d, will bless us. G-d will bless us; and all, from the farthest corners of the earth, shall fear Him. We implore you, by the great power of Your right hand, release the captive. Accept the prayer of Your people; strengthen us, purify us, Awesome One. Mighty One, we beseech You, guard as the apple of the eye those who seek Your Oneness. Bless them, cleanse them; bestow upon them forever Your merciful righteousness. Powerful, Holy One, in Your abounding goodness, guide Your congregation. Only and Exalted One, turn to Your people who are mindful of Your holiness. Accept our supplication and hear our cry, You who knows secret thoughts. Blessed be the name of the glory of His kingdom forever and ever. Master of the universe, You have commanded us through Moses Your servant to count Sefirat Ha-Omer, in order to purify us from our evil and uncleanness. As You have written in Your Torah, "You shall count for yourselves from the day following the day of rest, from the day on which you bring the Omer as a wave-offering; shall be for seven full weeks. Until the day following the seventh week shall you count fifty days," so that the souls of Your people Israel may be cleansed from their defilement. Therefore, may it be Your will, L-rd our G-d and G-d of our fathers, that in the merit of the Sefirat Ha-Omer which I counted today, the blemish that I have caused in the sefirah be rectified and I may be purified and sanctified with supernal holiness. May abundant bounty thereby be bestowed upon all the worlds. May it rectify our nefesh, ruach and neshamah from every baseness and defect, and may it purify and sanctify us with Your supernal holiness. Amen, selah. ? Please visit this link to update your preferences. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/45722d0f/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Wed May 13 10:12:35 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:12:35 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Fw: Daily Omer Reminder, Day 35 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <051320091512.22248.4A0AE3630000CE9C000056E822230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Thank you Margie. I wonder what happened? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from "Patricia Robbins" : -------------- Here it is, John and Margie. From: mlc Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:42 AM To: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Subject: Daily Omer Reminder, Day 35 Tonight, Wednesday evening, May 13, we count thirty five days, which is five weeks of the Omer. Day 35 - Malchut of Hod: Nobility in Humility Walking humbly is walking tall. Dignity is the essence of humility and modesty. The splendor of humility is majestic and aristocratic. Humility that suppresses the human spirit and denies individual sovereignty is not humility at all. Does my humility make me feel dignified? Do I feel alive and vibrant? Exercise for the day: Teach someone how humility and modesty enhance human dignity. Excerpt from The Spiritual Guide to Counting the Omer, by Simon Jacobson. ?Copyright The Meaningful Life Center, 2009. All rights reserved. www.meaningfullife.com. Click here to order the book. For more information on this fascinating 49 day journey click here. To subscribe to this daily Omer reminder, please click here. HOW TO COUNT THE OMER The Omer is counted at night, while standing, immediately following the evening prayer. You begin with the following blessing: Blessed are You, L-rd our G-d, King of the Universe, who has sanctified us with His commandments, and commanded us concerning the counting of the Omer. Following this blessing you count the specific day of the Omer, and then recite the following prayer: May the Merciful One restore the Holy Temple to its place, speedily in our days; Amen. For the Choirmaster; a song with instrumental music; a Psalm. May G-d be gracious to us and bless us; may He make His countenance shine upon us forever; that Your way be known on earth, Your salvation among all nations. The nations will extol You, O G-d; all the nations will extol You. The nations will rejoice and sing for joy, for You will judge the peoples justly and guide the nations on earth forever. The peoples will extol You, O G-d; all the peoples will extol You, for the earth will have yielded its produce and G-d; our G-d, will bless us. G-d will bless us; and all, from the farthest corners of the earth, shall fear Him. We implore you, by the great power of Your right hand, release the captive. Accept the prayer of Your people; strengthen us, purify us, Awesome One. Mighty One, we beseech You, guard as the apple of the eye those who seek Your Oneness. Bless them, cleanse them; bestow upon them forever Your merciful righteousness. Powerful, Holy One, in Your abounding goodness, guide Your congregation. Only and Exalted One, turn to Your people who are mindful of Your holiness. Accept our supplication and hear our cry, You who knows secret thoughts. Blessed be the name of the glory of His kingdom forever and ever. Master of the universe, You have commanded us through Moses Your servant to count Sefirat Ha-Omer, in order to purify us from our evil and uncleanness. As You have written in Your Torah, "You shall count for yourselves from the day following the day of rest, from the day on which you bring the Omer as a wave-offering; shall be for seven full weeks. Until the day following the seventh week shall you count fifty days," so that the souls of Your people Israel may be cleansed from their defilement. Therefore, may it be Your will, L-rd our G-d and G-d of our fathers, that in the merit of the Sefirat Ha-Omer which I counted today, the blemish that I have caused in the sefirah be rectified and I may be purified and sanctified with supernal holiness. May abundant bounty thereby be bestowed upon all the worlds. May it rectify our nefesh, ruach and neshamah from every baseness and defect, and may it purify and sanctify us with Your supernal holiness. Amen, selah. Please visit this link to update your preferences. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/e2d0afd5/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Wed May 13 10:15:34 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:15:34 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Fw: Daily Omer Reminder, Day 35 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <051320091515.29367.4A0AE4160001CFDD000072B722230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Oops, I meant Pat. Sorry. I wonder what happened? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from "Patricia Robbins" : -------------- Here it is, John and Margie. From: mlc Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:42 AM To: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Subject: Daily Omer Reminder, Day 35 Tonight, Wednesday evening, May 13, we count thirty five days, which is five weeks of the Omer. Day 35 - Malchut of Hod: Nobility in Humility Walking humbly is walking tall. Dignity is the essence of humility and modesty. The splendor of humility is majestic and aristocratic. Humility that suppresses the human spirit and denies individual sovereignty is not humility at all. Does my humility make me feel dignified? Do I feel alive and vibrant? Exercise for the day: Teach someone how humility and modesty enhance human dignity. Excerpt from The Spiritual Guide to Counting the Omer, by Simon Jacobson. ?Copyright The Meaningful Life Center, 2009. All rights reserved. www.meaningfullife.com. Click here to order the book. For more information on this fascinating 49 day journey click here. To subscribe to this daily Omer reminder, please click here. HOW TO COUNT THE OMER The Omer is counted at night, while standing, immediately following the evening prayer. You begin with the following blessing: Blessed are You, L-rd our G-d, King of the Universe, who has sanctified us with His commandments, and commanded us concerning the counting of the Omer. Following this blessing you count the specific day of the Omer, and then recite the following prayer: May the Merciful One restore the Holy Temple to its place, speedily in our days; Amen. For the Choirmaster; a song with instrumental music; a Psalm. May G-d be gracious to us and bless us; may He make His countenance shine upon us forever; that Your way be known on earth, Your salvation among all nations. The nations will extol You, O G-d; all the nations will extol You. The nations will rejoice and sing for joy, for You will judge the peoples justly and guide the nations on earth forever. The peoples will extol You, O G-d; all the peoples will extol You, for the earth will have yielded its produce and G-d; our G-d, will bless us. G-d will bless us; and all, from the farthest corners of the earth, shall fear Him. We implore you, by the great power of Your right hand, release the captive. Accept the prayer of Your people; strengthen us, purify us, Awesome One. Mighty One, we beseech You, guard as the apple of the eye those who seek Your Oneness. Bless them, cleanse them; bestow upon them forever Your merciful righteousness. Powerful, Holy One, in Your abounding goodness, guide Your congregation. Only and Exalted One, turn to Your people who are mindful of Your holiness. Accept our supplication and hear our cry, You who knows secret thoughts. Blessed be the name of the glory of His kingdom forever and ever. Master of the universe, You have commanded us through Moses Your servant to count Sefirat Ha-Omer, in order to purify us from our evil and uncleanness. As You have written in Your Torah, "You shall count for yourselves from the day following the day of rest, from the day on which you bring the Omer as a wave-offering; shall be for seven full weeks. Until the day following the seventh week shall you count fifty days," so that the souls of Your people Israel may be cleansed from their defilement. Therefore, may it be Your will, L-rd our G-d and G-d of our fathers, that in the merit of the Sefirat Ha-Omer which I counted today, the blemish that I have caused in the sefirah be rectified and I may be purified and sanctified with supernal holiness. May abundant bounty thereby be bestowed upon all the worlds. May it rectify our nefesh, ruach and neshamah from every baseness and defect, and may it purify and sanctify us with Your supernal holiness. Amen, selah. Please visit this link to update your preferences. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/a3b59304/attachment.html From dhcole1 at cox.net Wed May 13 10:22:07 2009 From: dhcole1 at cox.net (Dave Cole) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:22:07 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] mixed seeds References: <191802.25796.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4A0A2226.3050107@gninc.ca> Message-ID: <191C6245033944D09789B82A9D9F9988@davesbook> Cornie, I can relate about not having enough time....... It is sad that I spend time dealing with all my gardening clients, and never having my own! :~(... dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Cornie Reimer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds Hi to all gardeners, I am nothing special in gardening, although we do have an organic garden each year. That is very much in my interest. It is a lot of work to get a neglected garden to produce good healthy fruit and vegetables, I could learn a lot from others who know. Because too much of my time has been spent just getting bread on the table for a large family, as well as moving from one place to another. Cornie susie getskow wrote: Margie, Much has been written lately about the connection between food and health especially cancer. The Makers Diet and Kevin Trudeau are two. I do not think it is paranoid to know that the medical profession, drug industry, FDA and food industry are all intertwined. There is huge huge money to be had. It is all in their pocketbooks best interest for us to be in need of their services. This will be my first year of a big garden. I would love to be near you to learn much from you. Harvesting the seeds for next year could be my biggest challenge. The other day I tried looking for seeds on a Basil plant I had let go and couldn't even find the seeds! Hopefully not many will depend on me to keep them fed!! Susie --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Margie Creech wrote: From: Margie Creech Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 5:03 AM Susie, I'm with you! Anything that has to do with USDA control, which is our entire food supply, causes me to be suspicious. I believe the rise in cancer and other diseases is directly related to our food supply. It has very little nutritional value and is toxic from the chemicals. I can remember the day when it was rare for someone to have cancer. Now it seems everyone is sick. Call me paranoid but I think there is a link here. I have been farming organic for the last 5 years and every year my garden gets bigger. Of course, I spend most of the summer out in the garden killing insects by hand. I know there are things that are organic you can use but I like being in the garden. The birds do a pretty good job controlling many of them and so far they haven't eaten enough to cause much damage. I wish y'all were close enough to share in the bounty. --- On Tue, 5/5/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:22 PM The very best way to know you are eating non GMO food is to grow it yourself by using heirloom seed. I am leary even of "organic" as of who has control over what is considered organic. At best if you buy organic make sure it states 100 percent organic as packaging requirements are tricky. There is much going on with the powers that be trying to control the food market. Much legislation under "The Food and Safety Act" that Monsanto is trying to control even organic growers. They would like to make it illegal for anyone to grow food without their control. Long ago King Neb tried to get the best of the young of Israel to eat his food. Assimilation of the Israelites into Babylon using food! Daniel and his mates refused. They were much stronger and healthier than those that did. Susie --- On Mon, 5/4/09, kim alvarado wrote: From: kim alvarado Subject: Re: [Dialogue] mixed seeds To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:05 PM Betty, Do you know any sources for non GMO food in Houston? The DFW area had a food co-op, but I haven't found an organic food co-op here. Kim On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Betty Eddy wrote: In reference to today's reading, genetically modified foods are a mixture. Not getting genetically modified foods is another story. If you are interested, http://www.responsibletechnology.org/ has some information. It seems that the only way to avoid GM foods is to eat everything organic, not always that easy. If any of you have any other sites, I would be interested. Betty Eddy _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/8b981cf7/attachment.html From beartrm at yahoo.com Wed May 13 11:13:05 2009 From: beartrm at yahoo.com (susan strickland) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] new comer Message-ID: <919981.99079.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Shalom to all,? Ross was kind enough to put me on the dialogue list.? I have been on the SWW for over a month but wasn't really getting to know anyone.? Margie is my best friend and started me searching for my hebraic roots more than 8 years or so ago.? I am so blessed to have such a wonderful friend even though the miles have put a good distance between us the Lord has never separated us spiritually.? I live in Midland, TX and would love to meet someone in this area to study Torah with and even share Sabbaths with.? I am in a wheel chair so it is hard for me to get into anyone's house but my house is always open.? Eddie Chummney is going to be at GLC tonight and tomorrow night and I can't wait to go and listen to him.? I feel sure there will be other people there that have the same hunger for Torah as I do.? I know HaShem will place those in my life who can do nothing but confirm my hunger for His Torah as he gave me Margie.? Again I just wanted to say hi and I am thankful to be a part of Ross's many endeavors to reach so many.? Susan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/0ed766fc/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Wed May 13 12:57:24 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:57:24 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Benedict's Compassion. Message-ID: <051320091757.18250.4A0B0A03000E0CFC0000474A22218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> I wonder why he didn't visit S'derot? Oh yeah, there's rockets flying down there. May 13, 2009 17:30 | Updated May 13, 2009 19:38 Visiting refugee camp, pope says W. Bank barrier 'tragic' By JPOST.COM STAFF The Palestinians scored a major publicity coup on Wednesday when Pope Benedict XVI spoke from a podium near the security barrier in the Aida refugee camp and the pontiff called the erection of the fence "tragic." 'I know how much you have suffered' Pope Benedict acknowledges Palestinian difficulties in Bethlehem visit. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Prime Minister Salaam Fayad were in attendance as the pope visited a school near the barrier and 61 black balloons, symbolizing the 61 years since Israel was established, were released into the air. Schoolchildren filed passed the pontiff and shook his hand. "Towering over us, as we gather here this afternoon, is a stark reminder of the stalemate that relations between Israelis and Palestinians seem to have reached - the wall," said the pope. "In a world where more and more borders are being opened up - to trade, to travel, to movement of peoples, to cultural exchanges - it is tragic to see walls still being erected." He said that on both sides of the wall, great courage was needed if fear and mistrust were to be overcome and if the urge to retaliate for loss or injury were to be resisted. "My visit to the Aida refugee camp this afternoon gives me a welcome opportunity to express my solidarity with all the homeless Palestinians who long to be able to return to their birthplace, or to live permanently in a homeland of their own," said the pope. "To all the officials of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency who care for the refugees, I express the appreciation felt by countless men and women all over the world for the work that is done here and in other camps throughout the region." Pope Benedict XVI, center, waves to Palestinians as he leaves after a ceremony at the Aida Refugee Camp, back dropped by the separation barrier in the West Bank town of Bethlehem, Wednesday. He urged residents of the refugee camp to prepare for the time when they will be responsible for the affairs of the Palestinian people in years to come. "Parents have a most important role here, and to all the families present in this camp I say: be sure to support your children in their studies and to nurture their gifts, so that there will be no shortage of well-qualified personnel to occupy leadership positions in the Palestinian community in the future," he said. The pope went on to say that his "heart goes out" to all Palestinians who have suffered through family divisions caused by imprisonment, bereavement or movement restrictions. "All Palestinian refugees across the world, especially those who lost homes and loved ones during the recent conflict in Gaza, are constantly remembered in my prayers," he assured them. He said that the "Palestinians' longing for peace" took on a particular poignancy as they recalled the "events of May 1948" and the years of conflict that followed. "You are now living in precarious and difficult conditions, with limited opportunities for employment," he said. "It is understandable that you often feel frustrated. Your legitimate aspirations for permanent homes, for an independent Palestinian State, remain unfulfilled. Instead you find yourselves trapped, as so many in this region and throughout the world are trapped, in a spiral of violence, of attack and counter-attack, retaliation, and continual destruction." Benedict stressed that the entire world was longing for end to the constant fighting and that history had shown that peace could only come when the parties to a conflict were willing to move beyond their grievances and work together towards common goals, each taking the concerns and fears of the other side seriously and striving to build an atmosphere of trust. "There has to be a willingness to take bold and imaginative initiatives towards reconciliation," he said. "But if each insists on prior concessions from the other, the result can only be stalemate." Benedict added that while humanitarian aid had an essential role to play, the long-term solution to the Middle East conflict could only be political. "No one expects the Palestinian and Israeli peoples to arrive at it on their own," he continued. "The support of the international community is vital, and hence I make a renewed appeal to all concerned to bring their influence to bear in favor of a just and lasting solution, respecting the legitimate demands of all parties and recognizing their right to live in peace and dignity, in accordance with international law." He emphasized, though, that diplomatic efforts could only succeed if Palestinians and Israelis themselves were willing to emerge from the cycle of violence. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/7f407341/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Wed May 13 13:25:40 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:25:40 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer Message-ID: <0B9C960B-EF9C-4C5C-9975-1B0E3D0017B2@earthlink.net> My second interview today with Tovia Singer will air at 4pm EST rather than 3pm/11pm Jerusalem time). We ended up pre-recording it due to some satellite transmission problems, but it should go on the air on time. We covered a wide range of topics but mostly the Pope's visit, Judaism, Christianity, Paul and the New Testament. I think it will prove to be an interesting show. If you can't listen live then you can download the program when it is posted in a day or so. Here is the link: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/ Once you go to that Web site you then choose "Radio" in the menu at the top and Tovia's show will begin at 3pm and go for two hours with my segments coming on at 4pm EST. Shalom, James Tabor From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 13 13:46:30 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:46:30 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] 'Mission Accomplished' Message-ID: <855590370905131146n7ef86e65o11da697c61ffdcda@mail.gmail.com> Mission Accomplished Iyar 19, 5769, 13 May 09 08:38 by by Pamela Geller (IsraelNN.com) Eight years after war was declared on the US, and the most heinous attack was launched on American soil, the war has been won (according to President Barack Hussein Obama). Done. Over. Does not exist. No need to call it the War on Terror - so says Obama. Now it is merely an "overseas contingency operation". How wonderful. Islamists that once posed a threat now serve at the pleasure of the President. Staunch allies in the war against the jihad are no longer relevant or necessary. They have become our adversaries - Obama believes our security lies with Islamic allies. Homeland security is refocusing its efforts on domestic threats. Proud Jews like me ("Jewish extremists"), veterans (the malleable variety), Tea Party activists, and other assorted Americans are to be feared, monitored, silenced. Normal is the new enemy. Reason and rational, the reviled. Frankly, it appears to me that the Department of Homeland Security ought to be dismantled. It was established to fight Islam's war on the USA. According to the Obama administration, this is no longer a threat, so why not shut it down and save taxpayers an enormous amount of money? Obama halted the program in New York to detect biological attacks. And if we are closing Gitmo, and these killers no longer pose a threat to our national security, then why stop there? Further deep cost cutting measures should be taken at once. Dismantle the bloated TSA. Little old ladies need not be harassed and harangued at airports anymore. Americans will not have to spend untold hours on line having their moisturizers and lotions and cosmetics confiscated to the coffers of lucky DSA employees (ah, how many bottles of Eau de Italia have I surrendered). But most importantly, let's give President George W. Bush his due. He won the war, eh? Who could forget the terror that was struck in the hearts of every American on 9/11? Abject terror. The horror. As a New Yorker, I will never forget the stench of molten steel, plastic, paper and human flesh that hung in the air over Manhattan for months and the spontaneous memorials that popped up on street corners in and around New York City. In neighborhoods surrounding my Long Island community alone, we lost 344 Americans. And there were great Americans who gave their lives on Flight 93, and succeeded in sparing the capital of unthinkable carnage and death. Worse still, for days, weeks, months afterwards, we waited for what we knew in our bones was coming. More Islamic attacks. What American reading this can forget looking over their shoulder thinking: Who, what where will be next? Anthrax! How anxious we were to destroy those who attacked us. *Never again!* But President Bush took a steady, strategic approach. One I agreed with, and still do, even if the country has abandoned the Bush doctrine. The first political editorial I ever wrote was "The Case for War", which appeared in my local newspaper in October of 2004. I stand by it despite the enemy within America that sought to demonize that valiant effort. Bush took a sober approach, going to Congress and then to a United Nations largely driven by the Organization of the Islamic Conference, and he got the votes to defend America. When Bush stood under the banner "mission accomplished" he was wildly derided (despite the fact that the mission of overthrowing Saddam Hussein was indeed accomplished). But now, with the vision and privilege of hindsight and Obama's recent proclamations, the larger mission of defeating the enemy was indeed accomplished. Support for Bush's strategy to win was a matter of great debate, particularly among those in America who inherently dislike America. And everyone is entitled to their opinion, but at the end of the day, Bush kept us safe. Bush busted the enemy. Bush went after the jihad in America and eight years later, we elected a radical Alinskyite. Could such a thing have been possible without Bush winning the war? Now I, for one, do not believe this war is over. I believe it has just begun. Islamic jihad is fresh off the bloody spoils of Obama's capitulation and appeasement, accompanied by the surrender of Europe. That, I am sure, makes me a domestic terror threat. But it's just an opinion, fellas. You can't bust me for that - or can you? www.IsraelNationalNews.com ? Copyright IsraelNationalNews.com Subscribe to the free Daily Israel Report - sub.israelnn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/6d31e293/attachment.html From gets52000 at yahoo.com Wed May 13 13:51:28 2009 From: gets52000 at yahoo.com (susie getskow) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas Message-ID: <902460.78343.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Cornie, ? You are welcome for the thank you for the card. I am glad that you and your sister Susie/Levina have stand in touch and bond despite forces that would have wanted it otherwise. I hope this Susie can be your sister also! ? Eddie Chumney's teachings were just what I needed at that time in my life. If nothing else it was confirmation that I wasn't crazy and that there were others who felt the way I was hearing things. It was a good "starting off" point. ? I ask Hashem daily to shed any "untruth" or deception that I might be hanging onto. I figure if I have no change that it is either truth or I am at a point in my life where I cannot handle the truth. I am hoping that Eddie Chumney does the same. The quest contiunes always. ? Susie --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Cornie Reimer wrote: From: Cornie Reimer Subject: Re: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 6:20 PM Hi Susie By the way Susie was the given name of my baby sister. But after she was adopted into a different home, after our mother passed away, things changed and her name was later changed to Levina. She is still my sister, and we still know each other quite well, and feel the tie, in spite of the fact that she was to forget her former family. Say Susie, you mentioned Eddy Chumney. I have heard Eddy speak in Kansas city on a conference, as long as i did not know the truth about the deception of Christianity, ( there are still very good Christians, or as far as that matters, messianic's, and Eddy is one of them,) but i am referring to deception, I am persuaded that unless Eddy has changed he likely is still deceived of some real truth. I probably still have quite a few of Eddies book's that i used to think very highly of, and still believe his sincerity may well be very genuine. I hope this does not cause hurt feelings. In case it does, take what I write with a grain of salt. This is my version I am not judging anyone for still being Christian or messianic. I was there almost all of my life. My own dear wife of over 50 years of marriage, with whom I still live together, and most of my family are still Christians, including Jamie, one of my grandsons. But Jamie is a lot more out side of the box, as it were. He still hopes that one day him and me will go to Israel together. Eddie's book on the teachings of the feast's and festivals, was very helpful and enlightening to me too. If I remember right you sent me an e-card at one time, a hearty thank you for it Susie! Cornie susie getskow wrote: After an intense 14 weeks of Hashem himself peeling the scales from my eyes regarding the truth of Scripture I finally searched the internet for others who taught what Hashem had been telling me. Eddie Chumneys teachings especially on the feasts and festivals were very helpful to me. Susie --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: Re: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 7:32 AM Hey Margie - ? ?? I've been spending the last 3 days with Eddie at his home in Ohio.? We've had some fascinating discussions, along with a Bishop, who has opened up 106 non-denominational Churches in PAKISTAN!?? Although we have chosen different paths in our relationship to HaShem, it has been a truly amazing time, so far - and more to come!!? He's an amazingly bright guy, with exceptional insights - particularly into the NT.? We don't see it all the same way, but it has been an extraordinary experience to understand where he's coming from, and why.? ? ??? Enjoy the presentation - I know you will!!? :-) ? ????Got to be careful what I say to you - after having received numerous emails expressing concern about my laundry.....you guys go hear Rav Chaim &?Eddie - I'll take care of my wash, don't be concerned!? :-)? If someone ever wants to help me fold though, just let me know - I can't seem to get straight lines with ANY clothing! ? ??? Very best regards, ???????????? Hanoch On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Margie Creech wrote: Wow!? Texas seems to be getting a double dose!? I just got an email from Eddie Chumney and he will be in Texas during? May. ? MAY 13-14: LIVE TV ... God's Learning Channel Special Guest: Eddie Chumney LIVE TV PROGRAM: 8PM - 10PM (CST) Eddie will be teaching on: Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation Website: www.godslearningchannel.com MAY 15: ABILENE, TEXAS Speaker: Eddie Chumney Subject:?? Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation Time: 7PM Contact: Deb Myer Phone: 325-660-1952 E-mail: drillertee at nts-online.net MAY 16: GREENVILLE, TEXAS Speaker: Eddie Chumney Topic: Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation Time: 7PM Where: Serenity Hills Farm Contact Info: Judy Weeks Phone: 909-456-2086 E-mail: r.weaks at argontech.net vicinity of the ?DOME?.? MAY 17: DESOTO, TEXAS Speaker: Eddie Chumney Subject:? Yeshua from Genesis to Revelation For more info contact: Elisa Norman Phone: 817-881-6001 --- On Wed, 5/6/09, Brian wrote: From: Brian Subject: [Dialogue] ANNOUNCEMENT Rabbi Richman, Torah in Texas To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 6:05 AM .Shalom friends, I have an announcement for all of our fellow ROT friends on ROF. Rabbi Chaim Richman will have four public speaking appearances this month in Texas. I assume he needs no introduction to this group. If he does, I will include several links to the more formal announcement. The specifics: Rabbi Chaim Richman, the International Director of the Temple Institute in Jerusalem, will be speaking at the following locations in Texas during May of 2009. Rabbi Richman is one of the best-known authorities in the world concerning the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, as well as Jewish outreach and Torah-teaching to both Jews and non-Jews. It is such a privilege to be able to learn with him and to help him in these matters. Mark your calendar. Find a way to attend. You won't want to miss it. http://universaltorah.com/programming/speaking-schedules/ May 12, 2009 - Tuesday evening, 7 pm In Austin, Texas - Location: Allen Baca Center, 301 West Bagdad Ave, Round Rock, Texas - right off intersection of I-35 and FM 620, take FM 620 exit, turn left on FM 620 about 3 blocks, on right side May 13, 2009 - Wednesday evening, 7 pm In the Dallas, TX area - Location is now TBD. Please call Andrea at 254-559-4096 or 903-736-0978 for location and time. May 18, 2009 - Monday evening, 7 pm In Abilene, Texas - Location: Howard Johnson Plaza Hotel (ballroom), 5203 S. 1st Street, Abilene, Texas (next to Star Dodge and close to Sam?s Club). May 19th - Tuesday evening, 7:00 pm In Houston, Texas - Location: Marriott - Houston Hobby Airport, 9100 Gulf Freeway (I-45 S), Houston, Texas 77017 (Houston promo link, feel free to print it and pass it on) http://universaltorah.com/promos/Rabbi%20Chaim%20Richman%20May%202009%20Houston.pdf Free Admission, Free-will donations for the work of the Temple Institute will be accepted _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/53192b53/attachment.html From ram1500_man at yahoo.com Wed May 13 13:54:01 2009 From: ram1500_man at yahoo.com (ram1500_man at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:54:01 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] 'Mission Accomplished' In-Reply-To: <855590370905131146n7ef86e65o11da697c61ffdcda@mail.gmail.com> References: <855590370905131146n7ef86e65o11da697c61ffdcda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1296400908-1242240819-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1076559062-@bxe1052.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> The truth shall set you free! Awesome article...even if I don't necessarily agree 100%, the message is very relevant. Paul Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Hanoch Young Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:46:30 To: Subject: [Dialogue] 'Mission Accomplished' _______________________________________________ From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 13 13:58:36 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:58:36 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] 'Mission Accomplished' In-Reply-To: <1296400908-1242240819-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1076559062-@bxe1052.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <855590370905131146n7ef86e65o11da697c61ffdcda@mail.gmail.com> <1296400908-1242240819-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1076559062-@bxe1052.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <855590370905131158t6600b8e6rc62960ef6c9972b0@mail.gmail.com> Hey Paul - The era we're living in right now reminds me of a scene from the movie, "The Fly" (Jeff Goldblum, Geena Davis, etc): "Be afraid, be very afraid..." I believe this is like the eye of the hurricane; the lull before it really hits... * Hanoch * On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:54 AM, wrote: > The truth shall set you free! Awesome article...even if I don't necessarily > agree 100%, the message is very relevant. > Paul > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hanoch Young > > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:46:30 > To: > Subject: [Dialogue] 'Mission Accomplished' > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Hanoch Young Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:58:36 To: Subject: Re: [Dialogue] 'Mission Accomplished' _______________________________________________ From gets52000 at yahoo.com Wed May 13 16:05:45 2009 From: gets52000 at yahoo.com (susie getskow) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] new comer Message-ID: <855239.3389.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Welcome Susan! I hope you enjoy Eddie. Let us know you it goes. Susie --- On Wed, 5/13/09, susan strickland wrote: From: susan strickland Subject: [Dialogue] new comer To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 9:13 AM Shalom to all,? Ross was kind enough to put me on the dialogue list.? I have been on the SWW for over a month but wasn't really getting to know anyone.? Margie is my best friend and started me searching for my hebraic roots more than 8 years or so ago.? I am so blessed to have such a wonderful friend even though the miles have put a good distance between us the Lord has never separated us spiritually.? I live in Midland, TX and would love to meet someone in this area to study Torah with and even share Sabbaths with.? I am in a wheel chair so it is hard for me to get into anyone's house but my house is always open.? Eddie Chummney is going to be at GLC tonight and tomorrow night and I can't wait to go and listen to him.? I feel sure there will be other people there that have the same hunger for Torah as I do.? I know HaShem will place those in my life who can do nothing but confirm my hunger for His Torah as he gave me Margie.? Again I just wanted to say hi and I am thankful to be a part of Ross's many endeavors to reach so many.? Susan -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Patty From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of susan strickland Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:13 PM To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] new comer Shalom to all, Ross was kind enough to put me on the dialogue list. I have been on the SWW for over a month but wasn't really getting to know anyone. Margie is my best friend and started me searching for my hebraic roots more than 8 years or so ago. I am so blessed to have such a wonderful friend even though the miles have put a good distance between us the Lord has never separated us spiritually. I live in Midland, TX and would love to meet someone in this area to study Torah with and even share Sabbaths with. I am in a wheel chair so it is hard for me to get into anyone's house but my house is always open. Eddie Chummney is going to be at GLC tonight and tomorrow night and I can't wait to go and listen to him. I feel sure there will be other people there that have the same hunger for Torah as I do. I know HaShem will place those in my life who can do nothing but confirm my hunger for His Torah as he gave me Margie. Again I just wanted to say hi and I am thankful to be a part of Ross's many endeavors to reach so many. Susan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/e90387fc/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Wed May 13 16:55:29 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:55:29 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... In-Reply-To: <650961.3636.qm@web58507.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <650961.3636.qm@web58507.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I love this story so much, Margie! Thank you for sharing it. As I read, I felt such a stirring in my spirit for this girl. What is her first name, please? I will be praying for her. Shalom v'Ahavah, Avigail From: Margie Creech Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:31 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... Hanoch, Thank you for this timely article. I homeschooled a young lady in Texas that is a Latino. She was a Catholic who had never read the Torah. After reading it she was sure that her great grandmother was Jewish because of some of the customs she practiced, especially wedding customs. She was fourteen at the time and had a love for the Torah that none of my other students came close to. She went to her priest with many questions, which he told her to quit reading the Bible unless it was with a teacher in the church. She kept me in hot water with her parents and her church. She was finally asked to go to another Catholic church because she was causing too much trouble. She had been a member of gang and stayed in trouble and that is why I got her as a student. I really believe that is the only reason her parents allowed her to stay in school at my house. She graduated and joined the Marines the year I moved to Alabama but has stayed in touch. I hadn't heard from her for about a year until yesterday. Her email to me was an article about things not happening by coincidence. I just have to believe it is no accident you posted this article and it is for her. She left the Catholic church after she moved out of her parents house. --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 6:50 AM Latino Jews Staff It wasn?t until 1996 that Dell Sanchez of Texas discovered a well hidden family secret. For generations, the Sanchez women had known but buried the history about the family?s Sephardic Jewish roots. When Sanchez was told the secret by his father, he began a personal odyssey that would lead him to write four books on the subject, to found a Spanish Museum in Israel and to create a settlement in the Negev for Latinos with Sephardic ancestry that want to immigrate to the Jewish state. In addition, he runs an organization called the Aliyah Sephardic Center in Texas that encourages people to research their Sephardic lineage, and also encourages Latino ?Cryto Jews? (Hidden Jews) to invest in and do business with Israel. (See his Web site at www.4sephardim.com.) Sephardic Jews get their name from the term, Sepharad, a Biblical location identified as the Iberian Peninsula, which is modern day Spain and Portugal. In 1492, during the Spanish Inquisition, Spain banished all Jewish Spaniards to distant lands. Many fled torture and persecution and settled in northern Mexico and the southwestern part of the United States. Sanchez, who was in Phoenix in November for a seminar, says many U.S. Latinos are discovering their Jewish roots. ?Jewish genealogists have recently established a good, conservative estimate on the number of Sephardic Jews in the Americas,? he says. ?Experts are saying that at least 10 percent of all Hispanics have Sephardic Jewish roots.? Rebecca Ferrara is one local Latina who is finding out about her hidden ancestry. She is part of an organization called My Latino Roots (www.mylatinoroots.org) that gathers information about Latino Cryto Jews. ?Doors are opening for our Hispanic people to make Aliyah (immigration) back to Israel,? Ferrara says. Interestingly, Sanchez?s movement coincides with Israel?s need for more Jewish immigration from the United States. The country is offering incentives to attract more American immigrants because Israel?s Arab minority is having children at a faster rate than Jews, and because immigration is at an 18-year low because of the volatile Mideast politics.? ?Latino Sephardic Jews are waking up to their true identity across the Americas and will be returning to the land of their forefathers,? Sanchez says. This article appears in the December 2008 issue of Latino Perspectives Magazine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/364581b8/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Wed May 13 17:00:45 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... Message-ID: <820056.14046.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Pat, I would appreciate that?so much.? Her name is Bianca.? I just knew as soon as I read the email from Hanoch it was for her.? Thank you, Margie --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Patricia Robbins wrote: From: Patricia Robbins Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 4:55 PM I love this story so much, Margie!? Thank you for sharing it.? As I read, I felt such a stirring in my spirit for this girl.? What is her first name, please?? I will be praying for her. ? Shalom v'Ahavah, ? Avigail From: Margie Creech Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:31 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... Hanoch, Thank you for this timely article.? I homeschooled a young lady in Texas that is a Latino.? She was a Catholic who had never read the Torah.? After reading it she was sure that her great grandmother was Jewish because of some of the customs she practiced, especially wedding customs.? She was fourteen at the time and had a love for the Torah that none of my other students came close to.? She went to her priest with many questions, which he told her to quit reading the Bible unless it was with a teacher in the church.? She kept me in hot water with her parents and her church.?She?was finally?asked to go to another Catholic church because she was causing too much trouble.? She?had been a? member of gang and stayed in trouble and that is?why I got her as a student.? I really believe that is the only reason her parents allowed her to stay in school at my house.? She graduated and joined the Marines the year I moved to Alabama but has stayed in touch.? I hadn't heard from her for about a year until yesterday. ?Her email to me?was an article about things not happening by?coincidence. ?I just have to believe it is no accident you posted this article and it is for her.? She left the Catholic church after she moved out of her parents house.? --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 6:50 AM Latino Jews Staff It wasn?t until 1996 that Dell Sanchez of Texas discovered a well hidden family secret.? For generations, the Sanchez women had known but buried the history about the family?s Sephardic Jewish roots. When Sanchez was told the secret by his father, he began a personal odyssey that would lead him to write four books on the subject, to found a Spanish Museum in Israel and to create a settlement in the Negev for Latinos with Sephardic ancestry that want to immigrate to the Jewish state. In addition, he runs an organization called the Aliyah Sephardic Center in Texas that encourages people to research their Sephardic lineage, and also encourages Latino ?Cryto Jews? (Hidden Jews) to invest in and do business with Israel.? (See his Web site at www.4sephardim.com.) Sephardic Jews get their name from the term, Sepharad, a Biblical location identified as the Iberian Peninsula, which is modern day Spain and Portugal.? In 1492, during the Spanish Inquisition, Spain banished all Jewish Spaniards to distant lands. Many fled torture and persecution and settled in northern Mexico and the southwestern part of the United States. Sanchez, who was in Phoenix in November for a seminar, says many U.S. Latinos are discovering their Jewish roots.? ?Jewish genealogists have recently established a good, conservative estimate on the number of Sephardic Jews in the Americas,? he says. ?Experts are saying that at least 10 percent of all Hispanics have Sephardic Jewish roots.? Rebecca Ferrara is one local Latina who is finding out about her hidden ancestry. She is part of an organization called My Latino Roots (www.mylatinoroots.org) that gathers information about Latino Cryto Jews. ?Doors are opening for our Hispanic people to make Aliyah (immigration) back to Israel,? Ferrara says. Interestingly, Sanchez?s movement coincides with Israel?s need for more Jewish immigration from the United States. The country is offering incentives to attract more American immigrants because Israel?s Arab minority is having children at a faster rate than Jews, and because immigration is at an 18-year low because of the volatile Mideast politics.? ?Latino Sephardic Jews are waking up to their true identity across the Americas and will be returning to the land of their forefathers,? Sanchez says. This article appears in the December?2008 issue of Latino Perspectives Magazine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/70218f7b/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Wed May 13 17:04:26 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:04:26 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... In-Reply-To: <820056.14046.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <820056.14046.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: TERRIFIC! HaShem has plans for Miss Bianca!!!!! From: Margie Creech Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:00 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... Pat, I would appreciate that so much. Her name is Bianca. I just knew as soon as I read the email from Hanoch it was for her. Thank you, Margie --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Patricia Robbins wrote: From: Patricia Robbins Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 4:55 PM I love this story so much, Margie! Thank you for sharing it. As I read, I felt such a stirring in my spirit for this girl. What is her first name, please? I will be praying for her. Shalom v'Ahavah, Avigail From: Margie Creech Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:31 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... Hanoch, Thank you for this timely article. I homeschooled a young lady in Texas that is a Latino. She was a Catholic who had never read the Torah. After reading it she was sure that her great grandmother was Jewish because of some of the customs she practiced, especially wedding customs. She was fourteen at the time and had a love for the Torah that none of my other students came close to. She went to her priest with many questions, which he told her to quit reading the Bible unless it was with a teacher in the church. She kept me in hot water with her parents and her church. She was finally asked to go to another Catholic church because she was causing too much trouble. She had been a member of gang and stayed in trouble and that is why I got her as a student. I really believe that is the only reason her parents allowed her to stay in school at my house. She graduated and joined the Marines the year I moved to Alabama but has stayed in touch. I hadn't heard from her for about a year until yesterday. Her email to me was an article about things not happening by coincidence. I just have to believe it is no accident you posted this article and it is for her. She left the Catholic church after she moved out of her parents house. --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 6:50 AM Latino Jews Staff It wasn?t until 1996 that Dell Sanchez of Texas discovered a well hidden family secret. For generations, the Sanchez women had known but buried the history about the family?s Sephardic Jewish roots. When Sanchez was told the secret by his father, he began a personal odyssey that would lead him to write four books on the subject, to found a Spanish Museum in Israel and to create a settlement in the Negev for Latinos with Sephardic ancestry that want to immigrate to the Jewish state. In addition, he runs an organization called the Aliyah Sephardic Center in Texas that encourages people to research their Sephardic lineage, and also encourages Latino ?Cryto Jews? (Hidden Jews) to invest in and do business with Israel. (See his Web site at www.4sephardim.com.) Sephardic Jews get their name from the term, Sepharad, a Biblical location identified as the Iberian Peninsula, which is modern day Spain and Portugal. In 1492, during the Spanish Inquisition, Spain banished all Jewish Spaniards to distant lands. Many fled torture and persecution and settled in northern Mexico and the southwestern part of the United States. Sanchez, who was in Phoenix in November for a seminar, says many U.S. Latinos are discovering their Jewish roots. ?Jewish genealogists have recently established a good, conservative estimate on the number of Sephardic Jews in the Americas,? he says. ?Experts are saying that at least 10 percent of all Hispanics have Sephardic Jewish roots.? Rebecca Ferrara is one local Latina who is finding out about her hidden ancestry. She is part of an organization called My Latino Roots (www.mylatinoroots.org) that gathers information about Latino Cryto Jews. ?Doors are opening for our Hispanic people to make Aliyah (immigration) back to Israel,? Ferrara says. Interestingly, Sanchez?s movement coincides with Israel?s need for more Jewish immigration from the United States. The country is offering incentives to attract more American immigrants because Israel?s Arab minority is having children at a faster rate than Jews, and because immigration is at an 18-year low because of the volatile Mideast politics.? ?Latino Sephardic Jews are waking up to their true identity across the Americas and will be returning to the land of their forefathers,? Sanchez says. 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In-Reply-To: <820056.14046.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <820056.14046.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <855590370905131526q4033fdf4uc0669dae2dd38bf4@mail.gmail.com> Hey Margie - In another one of those 'coincidences' that really isn't, let me tell you a bit of why I posted that particular article today. I typically get articles almost weekly about the descendants of Anusim (those forced to convert to Catholicism in Spain & Portugal), or of other groups with Jewish 'roots' or 'background.' I usually don't pass them on, because I AM trying to limit the # of emails I post (yes, I do listen to those dear friends you email me advice!). Having said that, I don't know why, but this particular article (which wasn't the most detailed, or best written of them) 'spoke to me,' and I felt 'compelled' to share it; and now I know why.. It's estimated that 15-20% of Latinos in the American Southwest are descendants of Anusim (also known as 'Conversos'). If you add in the numbers of those who made it to Latin America or Mexico and Central America - we are talking about a HUGE number of people. And many, to this very day, are STILL so terrified of the Inquisition, that they continue (500 years later!!) to do inexplicable customs in secrecy - these 'nuances' being passed from generation to generation. So, without a doubt, Bianca is one of them....may HaShem guide her back 'home,' just as he's leading us.... B'Ahavat Yehdua v'Yisrael, * Hanoch* (soon, through HaShem's Rachamim, to be of Modi'in) On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Margie Creech wrote: > Pat, > I would appreciate that so much. Her name is Bianca. I just knew as soon > as I read the email from Hanoch it was for her. > Thank you, > Margie > > --- On *Wed, 5/13/09, Patricia Robbins *wrote: > > > From: Patricia Robbins > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 4:55 PM > > > I love this story so much, Margie! Thank you for sharing it. As I read, > I felt such a stirring in my spirit for this girl. What is her first name, > please? I will be praying for her. > > Shalom v'Ahavah, > > Avigail > > *From:* Margie Creech > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:31 AM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... > > Hanoch, > Thank you for this timely article. I homeschooled a young lady in Texas > that is a Latino. She was a Catholic who had never read the Torah. After > reading it she was sure that her great grandmother was Jewish because of > some of the customs she practiced, especially wedding customs. She was > fourteen at the time and had a love for the Torah that none of my other > students came close to. She went to her priest with many questions, which > he told her to quit reading the Bible unless it was with a teacher in the > church. She kept me in hot water with her parents and her church. She was > finally asked to go to another Catholic church because she was causing too > much trouble. She had been a member of gang and stayed in trouble and that > is why I got her as a student. I really believe that is the only reason her > parents allowed her to stay in school at my house. She graduated and joined > the Marines the year I moved to Alabama but has stayed in touch. I hadn't > heard from her for about a year until yesterday. Her email to me was an > article about things not happening by coincidence. I just have to believe > it is no accident you posted this article and it is for her. She left the > Catholic church after she moved out of her parents house. > > --- On *Wed, 5/13/09, Hanoch Young * wrote: > > > From: Hanoch Young > Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 6:50 AM > > Latino Jews Staff > > > It wasn?t until 1996 that Dell Sanchez of Texas discovered a well hidden > family secret. > > For generations, the Sanchez women had known but buried the history about > the family?s Sephardic Jewish roots. > > When Sanchez was told the secret by his father, he began a personal > odyssey that would lead him to write four books on the subject, to found a > Spanish Museum in Israel and to create a settlement in the Negev for Latinos > with Sephardic ancestry that want to immigrate to the Jewish state. > In addition, he runs an organization called the Aliyah Sephardic Center in > Texas that encourages people to research their Sephardic lineage, and also > encourages Latino ?Cryto Jews? (Hidden Jews) to invest in and do business > with Israel. (See his Web site at www.4sephardim.com.) > > Sephardic Jews get their name from the term, *Sepharad,* a Biblical > location identified as the Iberian Peninsula, which is modern day Spain and > Portugal. In 1492, during the Spanish Inquisition, Spain banished all > Jewish Spaniards to distant lands. Many fled torture and persecution and > settled in northern Mexico and the southwestern part of the United States. > > Sanchez, who was in Phoenix in November for a seminar, says many U.S. > Latinos are discovering their Jewish roots. > > ?Jewish genealogists have recently established a good, conservative > estimate on the number of Sephardic Jews in the Americas,? he says. ?Experts > are saying that at least 10 percent of all Hispanics have Sephardic Jewish > roots.? > > Rebecca Ferrara is one local Latina who is finding out about her hidden > ancestry. She is part of an organization called My Latino Roots ( > www.mylatinoroots.org) that gathers information about Latino Cryto Jews. > > ?Doors are opening for our Hispanic people to make *Aliyah *(immigration) > back to Israel,? Ferrara says. > > Interestingly, Sanchez?s movement coincides with Israel?s need for more > Jewish immigration from the United States. The country is offering > incentives to attract more American immigrants because Israel?s Arab > minority is having children at a faster rate than Jews, and because > immigration is at an 18-year low because of the volatile Mideast politics.? > > ?Latino Sephardic Jews are waking up to their true identity across the > Americas and will be returning to the land of their forefathers,? 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I am so blessed to have such a wonderful > friend even though the miles have put a good distance between us the Lord > has never separated us spiritually. I live in Midland, TX and would love to > meet someone in this area to study Torah with and even share Sabbaths with. > I am in a wheel chair so it is hard for me to get into anyone's house but my > house is always open. Eddie Chummney is going to be at GLC tonight and > tomorrow night and I can't wait to go and listen to him. I feel sure there > will be other people there that have the same hunger for Torah as I do. I > know HaShem will place those in my life who can do nothing but confirm my > hunger for His Torah as he gave me Margie. Again I just wanted to say hi > and I am thankful to be a part of Ross's many endeavors to reach so many. > Susan > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:26:56 -0700 Size: 24466 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/885efac8/attachment.eml From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 13 18:34:24 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:34:24 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children...] In-Reply-To: <4A0B5703.90904@westnet.com.au> References: <4A0B5703.90904@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <855590370905131634u3012ce12p2922bd289a41e0b6@mail.gmail.com> Shalom Joe, Thanks for adding to this amazing tale-in-progress...wow... Southern Italy was the 'funnel point' from where Jews from Judea then went on to Northern Italy, France, Germany, then eastward to Poland, Russia, Lithuania, etc. These became the 'Ashkenazi' Jews; my ancestors. But it is totally amazing how this WORLDWIDE phenomenon is occurring - on both sides of the family; Lost Judah *and* Lost Ephraim. Why am I getting the feeling that I should be renting a LARGER apartment in Modi'in?? :-) Take care Achi! * Hanoch * On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:25 PM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > *Shalom Hanoch and Margie, > > I just returned back to my home office from a site meeting and was > overwhelmed by the story of Bianca and all the Latinos who are descendants > of the Conversos. > > HaShem does work in mysterious ways. > Thank you Margie for sharing this uplifting story about Bianca and your > dedication to the cause :-) . > Thank you Hanoch for being obedient to the unction of HaShem and posting > the article contrary to all the friendly advice 8-) . > > Something very profound is happening in the world. > There is much talk about the Anusim from Spain and Portugal. We often > forget about Southern Italy. > Last weekend Sam and Bruno drove all the way from Victoria, 1600 kilometers > or 1000 miles, unannounced to hear about the truth of Torah. Their heritage > is from Sicily and Calabria. > They are friends of another friend of mine Leo who is also of Sicilian > heritage. > Leo, who I met three years ago, when he heard about Torah Judaism literally > jumped ship from Christianity and joined the local Jewish community. He was > being groomed to be an elder of his church. That is until we met. He was > going to take strips off me. HaShem had other ideas. He now hangs around our > group from Elei Sinai. He will be going over to Israel in July for a holiday > with Eli and Nira. > The boys from Victoria came up to meet with me and low and behold they are > jumping ship. > I am easing them in and have already sent them some of the posts from the > dialogue. > > In time they will probably join SWW and the dialogue group, b'Ezrat HaShem. > > So the awakening of the Latinos is a phenomenon that is happening all over > the world. Baruch HaShem !!! > I have witnessed it in my own life. > There is a large Sicilian community in Griffith , Victoria. > Sam and Bruno, I know are so excited and uplifted, who knows what will > happen? > > Shalom v'Ahavah > JOE. > > * > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Hanoch Young > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:26:56 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... > Hey Margie - > > In another one of those 'coincidences' that really isn't, let me tell > you a bit of why I posted that particular article today. I typically get > articles almost weekly about the descendants of Anusim (those forced to > convert to Catholicism in Spain & Portugal), or of other groups with Jewish > 'roots' or 'background.' I usually don't pass them on, because I AM trying > to limit the # of emails I post (yes, I do listen to those dear friends you > email me advice!). > > Having said that, I don't know why, but this particular article (which > wasn't the most detailed, or best written of them) 'spoke to me,' and I felt > 'compelled' to share it; and now I know why.. > > It's estimated that 15-20% of Latinos in the American Southwest are > descendants of Anusim (also known as 'Conversos'). If you add in the > numbers of those who made it to Latin America or Mexico and Central America > - we are talking about a HUGE number of people. > > And many, to this very day, are STILL so terrified of the Inquisition, > that they continue (500 years later!!) to do inexplicable customs in secrecy > - these 'nuances' being passed from generation to generation. > > So, without a doubt, Bianca is one of them....may HaShem guide her back > 'home,' just as he's leading us.... > > B'Ahavat Yehdua v'Yisrael, > * Hanoch* (soon, through HaShem's Rachamim, to be of > Modi'in) > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Margie Creech wrote: > >> Pat, >> I would appreciate that so much. Her name is Bianca. I just knew as soon >> as I read the email from Hanoch it was for her. >> Thank you, >> Margie >> >> --- On *Wed, 5/13/09, Patricia Robbins *wrote: >> >> >> From: Patricia Robbins >> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... >> To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 4:55 PM >> >> >> I love this story so much, Margie! Thank you for sharing it. As I >> read, I felt such a stirring in my spirit for this girl. What is her first >> name, please? I will be praying for her. >> >> Shalom v'Ahavah, >> >> Avigail >> >> *From:* Margie Creech >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:31 AM >> *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... >> >> Hanoch, >> Thank you for this timely article. I homeschooled a young lady in Texas >> that is a Latino. She was a Catholic who had never read the Torah. After >> reading it she was sure that her great grandmother was Jewish because of >> some of the customs she practiced, especially wedding customs. She was >> fourteen at the time and had a love for the Torah that none of my other >> students came close to. She went to her priest with many questions, which >> he told her to quit reading the Bible unless it was with a teacher in the >> church. She kept me in hot water with her parents and her church. She was >> finally asked to go to another Catholic church because she was causing too >> much trouble. She had been a member of gang and stayed in trouble and that >> is why I got her as a student. I really believe that is the only reason her >> parents allowed her to stay in school at my house. She graduated and joined >> the Marines the year I moved to Alabama but has stayed in touch. I hadn't >> heard from her for about a year until yesterday. Her email to me was an >> article about things not happening by coincidence. I just have to believe >> it is no accident you posted this article and it is for her. She left the >> Catholic church after she moved out of her parents house. >> >> --- On *Wed, 5/13/09, Hanoch Young * wrote: >> >> >> From: Hanoch Young >> Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... >> To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 6:50 AM >> >> Latino Jews Staff >> >> >> It wasn?t until 1996 that Dell Sanchez of Texas discovered a well hidden >> family secret. >> >> For generations, the Sanchez women had known but buried the history >> about the family?s Sephardic Jewish roots. >> >> When Sanchez was told the secret by his father, he began a personal >> odyssey that would lead him to write four books on the subject, to found a >> Spanish Museum in Israel and to create a settlement in the Negev for Latinos >> with Sephardic ancestry that want to immigrate to the Jewish state. >> In addition, he runs an organization called the Aliyah Sephardic Centerin Texas that encourages people to research their Sephardic lineage, and also >> encourages Latino ?Cryto Jews? (Hidden Jews) to invest in and do business >> with Israel. (See his Web site at www.4sephardim.com.) >> >> Sephardic Jews get their name from the term, *Sepharad,* a Biblical >> location identified as the Iberian Peninsula, which is modern day Spain and >> Portugal. In 1492, during the Spanish Inquisition, Spain banished all >> Jewish Spaniards to distant lands. Many fled torture and persecution and >> settled in northern Mexico and the southwestern part of the United States. >> >> Sanchez, who was in Phoenix in November for a seminar, says many U.S. >> Latinos are discovering their Jewish roots. >> >> ?Jewish genealogists have recently established a good, conservative >> estimate on the number of Sephardic Jews in the Americas,? he says. ?Experts >> are saying that at least 10 percent of all Hispanics have Sephardic Jewish >> roots.? >> >> Rebecca Ferrara is one local Latina who is finding out about her hidden >> ancestry. She is part of an organization called My Latino Roots ( >> www.mylatinoroots.org) that gathers information about Latino Cryto Jews. >> >> ?Doors are opening for our Hispanic people to make *Aliyah *(immigration) >> back to Israel,? Ferrara says. >> >> Interestingly, Sanchez?s movement coincides with Israel?s need for more >> Jewish immigration from the United States. The country is offering >> incentives to attract more American immigrants because Israel?s Arab >> minority is having children at a faster rate than Jews, and because >> immigration is at an 18-year low because of the volatile Mideast politics.? >> >> ?Latino Sephardic Jews are waking up to their true identity across the >> Americas and will be returning to the land of their forefathers,? Sanchez >> says. >> >> *This article appears in the December 2008issue of Latino Perspectives Magazine. >> * >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/2cc16e4e/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Wed May 13 18:57:47 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children...] Message-ID: <527972.96807.qm@web58505.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Joe, How exciting!? They don't have a chance if they're around you for long. I hope they will join us on the dialogue.? HaShem is so awesome and so much fun.?What a wonderful G-d we serve. ?I do love Him!? I can't wait for the day when we are all together. ? Margie --- On Wed, 5/13/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children...] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 6:25 PM Shalom Hanoch and Margie, I just returned back to my home office from a site meeting and was overwhelmed by the story of Bianca and all the Latinos who are descendants of the Conversos. HaShem does work in mysterious ways. Thank you Margie for sharing this uplifting story about Bianca and your dedication to the cause :-) . Thank you Hanoch for being obedient to the unction of HaShem and posting the article contrary to all the friendly advice 8-) . Something very profound is happening in the world. There is much talk about the Anusim from Spain and Portugal. We often forget about Southern Italy. Last weekend Sam and Bruno drove all the way from Victoria, 1600 kilometers or 1000 miles, unannounced to hear about the truth of Torah. Their heritage is from Sicily and Calabria. They are friends of another friend of mine Leo who is also of Sicilian heritage. Leo, who I met three years ago, when he heard about Torah Judaism literally jumped ship from Christianity and joined the local Jewish community. He was being groomed to be an elder of his church. That is until we met. He was going to take strips off me. HaShem had other ideas. He now hangs around our group from Elei Sinai. He will be going over to Israel in July for a holiday with Eli and Nira. The boys from Victoria came up to meet with me and low and behold they are jumping ship. I am easing them in and have already sent them some of the posts from the dialogue. In time they will probably join SWW and the dialogue group, b'Ezrat HaShem. So the awakening of the Latinos is a phenomenon that is happening all over the world. Baruch HaShem !!! I have witnessed it in my own life. There is a large Sicilian community in Griffith , Victoria. Sam and Bruno, I know are so excited and uplifted, who knows what will happen? Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/35904ff3/attachment.html From zitro4 at yahoo.com Wed May 13 19:34:20 2009 From: zitro4 at yahoo.com (G. Ortiz) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children...] Message-ID: <525737.91454.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello Hanuch, Thank you so very much for sharing this important article. I have already looked at the MyLatinoRoots.org page, (it's under construction) and have bookmarked it, to look into information that may be beneficial in my search. My husband is from Venezuela, and he remembers that his mother always burned a piece of dough on Fridays(?) She did not allow her children to go to funeral views, only to the cemetery, and upon returning home, they had to wash and change clothes (?) I have question marks because these are not traditions of Hispanic origin...but we have an explanation in Judaism.Unfortunately, my mother-in-law passed away before we got married, almost 25 yrs. ago. I once asked my father-in-law, but he was not open to the conversation. He kept his children away from the mother's side of the family (?) and from what I have learned, there is no living relative on that side of the family. My attraction to Judaism grew out of my search for God. I was born and raised in Puerto Rico.Since I was very little (7-8yr old) I remember praying, asking God, how I could love Him with all my heart, all my soul, and with all my might; what did that mean?I read and studied a lot and there were things that did not make sense in the church. When I asked questions I did not get answers. Once I found the way to Torah I felt I had "come home;" my soul? has found solace. I do not have all the answers, but what I know is that the Torah has the answers. Shalom, Gisela ? --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children...] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:34 PM Shalom Joe, ? ??? Thanks for adding to this amazing tale-in-progress...wow...? Southern Italy was the 'funnel point' from where Jews from Judea then went on to Northern Italy, France, Germany, then eastward to Poland, Russia, Lithuania, etc.? These became the?'Ashkenazi' Jews;? my ancestors.?? ? ??? But it is totally amazing how this WORLDWIDE phenomenon is occurring - on both sides of the family;? Lost Judah and Lost Ephraim.? Why am I getting the feeling that I should be renting a LARGER apartment in Modi'in???? :-) ? ??? Take care Achi! ?????????????? Hanoch? On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:25 PM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: Shalom Hanoch and Margie, I just returned back to my home office from a site meeting and was overwhelmed by the story of Bianca and all the Latinos who are descendants of the Conversos. HaShem does work in mysterious ways. Thank you Margie for sharing this uplifting story about Bianca and your dedication to the cause :-) . Thank you Hanoch for being obedient to the unction of HaShem and posting the article contrary to all the friendly advice 8-) . Something very profound is happening in the world. There is much talk about the Anusim from Spain and Portugal. We often forget about Southern Italy. Last weekend Sam and Bruno drove all the way from Victoria, 1600 kilometers or 1000 miles, unannounced to hear about the truth of Torah. Their heritage is from Sicily and Calabria. They are friends of another friend of mine Leo who is also of Sicilian heritage. Leo, who I met three years ago, when he heard about Torah Judaism literally jumped ship from Christianity and joined the local Jewish community. He was being groomed to be an elder of his church. That is until we met. He was going to take strips off me. HaShem had other ideas. He now hangs around our group from Elei Sinai. He will be going over to Israel in July for a holiday with Eli and Nira. The boys from Victoria came up to meet with me and low and behold they are jumping ship. I am easing them in and have already sent them some of the posts from the dialogue. In time they will probably join SWW and the dialogue group, b'Ezrat HaShem. So the awakening of the Latinos is a phenomenon that is happening all over the world. Baruch HaShem !!! I have witnessed it in my own life. There is a large Sicilian community in Griffith , Victoria. Sam and Bruno, I know are so excited and uplifted, who knows what will happen? Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From:?Hanoch Young To:?dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date:?Wed, 13 May 2009 15:26:56 -0700 Subject:?Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... Hey Margie - ? ???? In another one of those 'coincidences' that really isn't, let me tell you a bit of why I posted that particular article today.? I typically get articles almost weekly about the descendants of Anusim (those forced to convert to Catholicism in Spain & Portugal), or of other groups with Jewish 'roots' or 'background.'? I usually don't pass them on, because I AM trying to limit the # of emails I post (yes, I do listen to those dear friends you email me advice!). ? ??? Having said that, I don't know why, but this particular article (which wasn't the most detailed, or best written of them) 'spoke to me,' and I felt 'compelled' to share it; and now I know why.. ? ??? It's estimated that 15-20% of Latinos in the American Southwest are descendants of Anusim (also known as 'Conversos').? If you add in the numbers of those who made it to Latin America or Mexico and Central America - we are talking about a HUGE number of people. ? ??? And many, to this very day, are STILL so terrified of the Inquisition, that they continue (500 years later!!) to do inexplicable customs in secrecy - these 'nuances' being passed from generation to generation.? ? ??? So, without a doubt, Bianca is one of them....may HaShem guide her back 'home,' just as he's leading us.... ? ??? B'Ahavat Yehdua v'Yisrael, ?????????????? Hanoch? (soon, through HaShem's?Rachamim,?to be of Modi'in) On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Margie Creech wrote: Pat, I would appreciate that?so much.? Her name is Bianca.? I just knew as soon as I read the email from Hanoch it was for her.? Thank you, Margie --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Patricia Robbins wrote: From: Patricia Robbins Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 4:55 PM I love this story so much, Margie!? Thank you for sharing it.? As I read, I felt such a stirring in my spirit for this girl.? What is her first name, please?? I will be praying for her. ? Shalom v'Ahavah, ? Avigail From: Margie Creech Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:31 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... Hanoch, Thank you for this timely article.? I homeschooled a young lady in Texas that is a Latino.? She was a Catholic who had never read the Torah.? After reading it she was sure that her great grandmother was Jewish because of some of the customs she practiced, especially wedding customs.? She was fourteen at the time and had a love for the Torah that none of my other students came close to.? She went to her priest with many questions, which he told her to quit reading the Bible unless it was with a teacher in the church.? She kept me in hot water with her parents and her church.?She?was finally?asked to go to another Catholic church because she was causing too much trouble.? She?had been a? member of gang and stayed in trouble and that is?why I got her as a student.? I really believe that is the only reason her parents allowed her to stay in school at my house.? She graduated and joined the Marines the year I moved to Alabama but has stayed in touch.? I hadn't heard from her for about a year until yesterday. ?Her email to me?was an article about things not happening by?coincidence. ?I just have to believe it is no accident you posted this article and it is for her.? She left the Catholic church after she moved out of her parents house.? --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 6:50 AM Latino Jews Staff It wasn?t until 1996 that Dell Sanchez of Texas discovered a well hidden family secret.? For generations, the Sanchez women had known but buried the history about the family?s Sephardic Jewish roots. When Sanchez was told the secret by his father, he began a personal odyssey that would lead him to write four books on the subject, to found a Spanish Museum in Israel and to create a settlement in the Negev for Latinos with Sephardic ancestry that want to immigrate to the Jewish state. In addition, he runs an organization called the Aliyah Sephardic Center in Texas that encourages people to research their Sephardic lineage, and also encourages Latino ?Cryto Jews? (Hidden Jews) to invest in and do business with Israel.? (See his Web site at www.4sephardim.com.) Sephardic Jews get their name from the term, Sepharad, a Biblical location identified as the Iberian Peninsula, which is modern day Spain and Portugal.? In 1492, during the Spanish Inquisition, Spain banished all Jewish Spaniards to distant lands. Many fled torture and persecution and settled in northern Mexico and the southwestern part of the United States. Sanchez, who was in Phoenix in November for a seminar, says many U.S. Latinos are discovering their Jewish roots.? ?Jewish genealogists have recently established a good, conservative estimate on the number of Sephardic Jews in the Americas,? he says. ?Experts are saying that at least 10 percent of all Hispanics have Sephardic Jewish roots.? Rebecca Ferrara is one local Latina who is finding out about her hidden ancestry. She is part of an organization called My Latino Roots (www.mylatinoroots.org) that gathers information about Latino Cryto Jews. ?Doors are opening for our Hispanic people to make Aliyah (immigration) back to Israel,? Ferrara says. Interestingly, Sanchez?s movement coincides with Israel?s need for more Jewish immigration from the United States. The country is offering incentives to attract more American immigrants because Israel?s Arab minority is having children at a faster rate than Jews, and because immigration is at an 18-year low because of the volatile Mideast politics.? ?Latino Sephardic Jews are waking up to their true identity across the Americas and will be returning to the land of their forefathers,? Sanchez says. 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Ortiz" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children...] Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Size: 39100 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/daa345b3/attachment.eml From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Wed May 13 22:19:37 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:19:37 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children...] In-Reply-To: <525737.91454.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <525737.91454.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FC5CE99-104F-4D1F-A6E8-690FDC493E9C@earthlink.net> This is such a remarkable story Gisela. Thank you so much for sharing this with us. It is truly a "matter of the heart," and it is happening all over the world. James On May 13, 2009, at 8:34 PM, G. Ortiz wrote: > Hello Hanuch, > > Thank you so very much for sharing this important article. I have > already looked at the MyLatinoRoots.org page, (it's under > construction) and have bookmarked it, to look into information that > may be beneficial in my search. > > My husband is from Venezuela, and he remembers that his mother > always burned a piece of dough on Fridays(?) She did not allow her > children to go to funeral views, only to the cemetery, and upon > returning home, they had to wash and change clothes (?) I have > question marks because these are not > traditions of Hispanic origin...but we have an explanation in > Judaism.Unfortunately, my mother-in-law passed away before we got > married, almost 25 yrs. ago. I once asked my father-in-law, but he > was not open to the conversation. He kept his children away from the > mother's side of the family (?) and from what I have learned, there > is no living relative on that side of the family. > > My attraction to Judaism grew out of my search for God. I was born > and raised in Puerto Rico.Since I was very little (7-8yr old) I > remember praying, asking God, how I could love Him with all my > heart, all my soul, and with all my might; what did that mean?I read > and studied a lot and there were things that did not make sense in > the church. When I asked questions I did not get answers. Once I > found the way to Torah I felt I had "come home;" my soul has found > solace. I do not have all the answers, but what I know is that the > Torah has the answers. > > Shalom, > Gisela > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Hanoch Young wrote: > > From: Hanoch Young > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of > HIS children...] > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:34 PM > > Shalom Joe, > > Thanks for adding to this amazing tale-in-progress...wow... > Southern Italy was the 'funnel point' from where Jews from Judea > then went on to Northern Italy, France, Germany, then eastward to > Poland, Russia, Lithuania, etc. These became the 'Ashkenazi' Jews; > my ancestors. > > But it is totally amazing how this WORLDWIDE phenomenon is > occurring - on both sides of the family; Lost Judah and Lost > Ephraim. Why am I getting the feeling that I should be renting a > LARGER apartment in Modi'in?? :-) > > Take care Achi! > Hanoch > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:25 PM, JOE INDOMENICO > wrote: > Shalom Hanoch and Margie, > > I just returned back to my home office from a site meeting and was > overwhelmed by the story of Bianca and all the Latinos who are > descendants of the Conversos. > > HaShem does work in mysterious ways. > Thank you Margie for sharing this uplifting story about Bianca and > your dedication to the cause :-) . > Thank you Hanoch for being obedient to the unction of HaShem and > posting the article contrary to all the friendly advice 8-) . > > Something very profound is happening in the world. > There is much talk about the Anusim from Spain and Portugal. We > often forget about Southern Italy. > Last weekend Sam and Bruno drove all the way from Victoria, 1600 > kilometers or 1000 miles, unannounced to hear about the truth of > Torah. Their heritage is from Sicily and Calabria. > They are friends of another friend of mine Leo who is also of > Sicilian heritage. > Leo, who I met three years ago, when he heard about Torah Judaism > literally jumped ship from Christianity and joined the local Jewish > community. He was being groomed to be an elder of his church. That > is until we met. He was going to take strips off me. HaShem had > other ideas. He now hangs around our group from Elei Sinai. He will > be going over to Israel in July for a holiday with Eli and Nira. > The boys from Victoria came up to meet with me and low and behold > they are jumping ship. > I am easing them in and have already sent them some of the posts > from the dialogue. > > In time they will probably join SWW and the dialogue group, b'Ezrat > HaShem. > > So the awakening of the Latinos is a phenomenon that is happening > all over the world. Baruch HaShem !!! > I have witnessed it in my own life. > There is a large Sicilian community in Griffith , Victoria. > Sam and Bruno, I know are so excited and uplifted, who knows what > will happen? > > Shalom v'Ahavah > JOE. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Hanoch Young > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:26:56 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS > children... > Hey Margie - > > In another one of those 'coincidences' that really isn't, let > me tell you a bit of why I posted that particular article today. I > typically get articles almost weekly about the descendants of Anusim > (those forced to convert to Catholicism in Spain & Portugal), or of > other groups with Jewish 'roots' or 'background.' I usually don't > pass them on, because I AM trying to limit the # of emails I post > (yes, I do listen to those dear friends you email me advice!). > > Having said that, I don't know why, but this particular article > (which wasn't the most detailed, or best written of them) 'spoke to > me,' and I felt 'compelled' to share it; and now I know why.. > > It's estimated that 15-20% of Latinos in the American Southwest > are descendants of Anusim (also known as 'Conversos'). If you add > in the numbers of those who made it to Latin America or Mexico and > Central America - we are talking about a HUGE number of people. > > And many, to this very day, are STILL so terrified of the > Inquisition, that they continue (500 years later!!) to do > inexplicable customs in secrecy - these 'nuances' being passed from > generation to generation. > > So, without a doubt, Bianca is one of them....may HaShem guide > her back 'home,' just as he's leading us.... > > B'Ahavat Yehdua v'Yisrael, > Hanoch (soon, through HaShem's Rachamim, to be of > Modi'in) > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Margie Creech > wrote: > Pat, > I would appreciate that so much. Her name is Bianca. I just knew > as soon as I read the email from Hanoch it was for her. > Thank you, > Margie > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Patricia Robbins > wrote: > > From: Patricia Robbins > > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS > children... > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 4:55 PM > > > I love this story so much, Margie! Thank you for sharing it. As I > read, I felt such a stirring in my spirit for this girl. What is > her first name, please? I will be praying for her. > > Shalom v'Ahavah, > > Avigail > > From: Margie Creech > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:31 AM > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS > children... > > Hanoch, > Thank you for this timely article. I homeschooled a young lady in > Texas that is a Latino. She was a Catholic who had never read the > Torah. After reading it she was sure that her great grandmother was > Jewish because of some of the customs she practiced, especially > wedding customs. She was fourteen at the time and had a love for > the Torah that none of my other students came close to. She went to > her priest with many questions, which he told her to quit reading > the Bible unless it was with a teacher in the church. She kept me > in hot water with her parents and her church. She was finally asked > to go to another Catholic church because she was causing too much > trouble. She had been a member of gang and stayed in trouble and > that is why I got her as a student. I really believe that is the > only reason her parents allowed her to stay in school at my house. > She graduated and joined the Marines the year I moved to Alabama but > has stayed in touch. I hadn't heard from her for about a year until > yesterday. Her email to me was an article about things not > happening by coincidence. I just have to believe it is no accident > you posted this article and it is for her. She left the Catholic > church after she moved out of her parents house. > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Hanoch Young wrote: > > From: Hanoch Young > Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 6:50 AM > > Latino Jews > > Staff > > > It wasn?t until 1996 that Dell Sanchez of Texas discovered a well > hidden family secret. > For generations, the Sanchez women had known but buried the history > about the family?s Sephardic Jewish roots. > When Sanchez was told the secret by his father, he began a personal > odyssey that would lead him to write four books on the subject, to > found a Spanish Museum in Israel and to create a settlement in the > Negev for Latinos with Sephardic ancestry that want to immigrate to > the Jewish state. > In addition, he runs an organization called the Aliyah Sephardic > Center in Texas that encourages people to research their Sephardic > lineage, and also encourages Latino ?Cryto Jews? (Hidden Jews) to > invest in and do business with Israel. (See his Web site at www.4sephardim.com > .) > Sephardic Jews get their name from the term, Sepharad, a Biblical > location identified as the Iberian Peninsula, which is modern day > Spain and Portugal. In 1492, during the Spanish Inquisition, Spain > banished all Jewish Spaniards to distant lands. Many fled torture > and persecution and settled in northern Mexico and the southwestern > part of the United States. > Sanchez, who was in Phoenix in November for a seminar, says many > U.S. Latinos are discovering their Jewish roots. > ?Jewish genealogists have recently established a good, conservative > estimate on the number of Sephardic Jews in the Americas,? he says. > ?Experts are saying that at least 10 percent of all Hispanics have > Sephardic Jewish roots.? > Rebecca Ferrara is one local Latina who is finding out about her > hidden ancestry. She is part of an organization called My Latino > Roots (www.mylatinoroots.org) that gathers information about Latino > Cryto Jews. > ?Doors are opening for our Hispanic people to make Aliyah > (immigration) back to Israel,? Ferrara says. > Interestingly, Sanchez?s movement coincides with Israel?s need for > more Jewish immigration from the United States. The country is > offering incentives to attract more American immigrants because > Israel?s Arab minority is having children at a faster rate than > Jews, and because immigration is at an 18-year low because of the > volatile Mideast politics.? > ?Latino Sephardic Jews are waking up to their true identity across > the Americas and will be returning to the land of their > forefathers,? Sanchez says. > This article appears in the December 2008 issue of Latino > Perspectives Magazine. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090513/a99dcffd/attachment.html From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Thu May 14 01:21:21 2009 From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 23:21:21 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] new comer In-Reply-To: <919981.99079.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <919981.99079.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200905140621.n4E6LFAl004373@mail385c25.carrierzone.com> Shalom Susan, and welcome to our group of seekers of Truth and escapees from darkness! This is great! We all have a similar overall story, we have all been searching for the Truth... it seems that we have all been drawn and moved to search for the Truth and been lead all along this way......... by Divine Providence..... I just thought of it today, that doing so is really a process of repentance... G-d is steering us that way... and the G-d of Israel always answers prayers of repentance.... a neat set-up.... Welcome again, Steve Ps. You may want to start a study group in your area. BTW, Gang, am recommending that we all keep inn mind the possibility of starting some kind of meeting, chavurah, congregation or study group in our neck of the woods... I have been wanting to announce this plan of mine, but now the cat is out of the bag... Jacob told us to "Gather yourselves together." we got to do that, the time is here.... I will say more about that on my new website.... I mentioned it in a blurb, but it will just necessitate a whole article just on that.... At 09:13 AM 5/13/2009, you wrote: >Shalom to all, Ross was kind enough to put me on the dialogue >list. I have been on the SWW for over a month but wasn't really >getting to know anyone. Margie is my best friend and started me >searching for my hebraic roots more than 8 years or so ago. I am so >blessed to have such a wonderful friend even though the miles have >put a good distance between us the Lord has never separated us >spiritually. I live in Midland, TX and would love to meet someone >in this area to study Torah with and even share Sabbaths with. I am >in a wheel chair so it is hard for me to get into anyone's house but >my house is always open. Eddie Chummney is going to be at GLC >tonight and tomorrow night and I can't wait to go and listen to >him. I feel sure there will be other people there that have the >same hunger for Torah as I do. I know HaShem will place those in my >life who can do nothing but confirm my hunger for His Torah as he >gave me Margie. Again I just wanted to say hi and I am thankful to >be a part of Ross's many endeavors to reach so many. Susan > >_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A Black Imam Breaks Ground in Mecca This caption appears under a picture on the first page: *?Any qualified individual, no matter what his color, no matter where from, will have a chance to be a leader, for his good and The king is trying to tell everybody that he wants to rule this land as one nation, with no racism and no segregation.?* That was April 10. And what follows are excerpts from interviewswith Sheikhh Adel Al-Kalbani, imam of the Al-Haram Mosque in Mecca, which aired on BBC Arabic on May 5, 2009 and Al-Arabiya TV on February 27, 2009. "Interviewer: "Where can Christians [pray]?" Sheikh Adel Al-Kalbani: "Christians are allowed to pray in their homes. We have no problem with them praying where they live. But for the bells to be sounded in the land of the Prophet Muhammad ? that [runs counter] to the Prophet's guidance. The Prophet's guidance, by which we act, dictates: 'Drive the Jews and the Christians out of the Arabian Peninsula.' Driving them out is undoubtedly the prerogative of the ruler, but they should be allowed to live here only if their presence is essential." [...] Sheikh Adel Al-Kalbani: "[The Christian] came as a visitor. He is not a citizen. If he were a citizen... watchamacallit... a Christian citizen ? maybe there would be room for debate. Maybe. But in principle, he is a visitor, a guest, who stays for some time, and then leaves. He knew these were the rules before he came here. No visitor to a country can demand that it change its rules." Interviewer: "Not to change the rules, but if you, as a Muslim, were to visit a country, wouldn't you hope there would be a mosque in which to pray, regardless of whether you are a citizen or not?" Sheikh Adel Al-Kalbani: "I would hope so. Undoubtedly. But Allah be praised, according to the Prophet's guidance: 'The whole Earth was made a mosque and pure for me.' Therefore, a Muslim can pray anywhere." [...]" I guess we all can't be New York Times liberal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/b260348e/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Thu May 14 06:40:16 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 04:40:16 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Yep, 'Islam Day' in Hawaii Message-ID: <855590370905140440m24dfa20cl7f0aa083ecc224f0@mail.gmail.com> *Hawaii Lawmakers Pass Bill to Create `Islam Day`* Associated Press - May 06, 2009 Fox News.com HONOLULU -- Hawaii`s state Senate overwhelmingly approved a bill Wednesday to celebrate "Islam Day" -- over the objections of a few lawmakers who said they didn`t want to honor a religion connected to Sept. 11, 2001. The Senate`s two Republicans argued that a minority of Islamic extremists have killed many innocents in terrorist attacks. "I recall radical Islamists around the world cheering the horrors of 9/11. That is the day all civilized people of all religions should remember," said Republican Sen. Fred Hemmings to the applause of more than 100 people gathered in the Senate to oppose a separate issue -- same-sex civil unions. The resolution to proclaim Sept. 24, 2009, as Islam Day passed the Senate on a 22-3 vote. It had previously passed the House and now goes to Republican Gov. Linda Lingle. The bill seeks to recognize "the rich religious, scientific, cultural and artistic contributions" that Islam and the Islamic world have made. It does not call for any spending or organized celebration of Islam Day. "We are a state of tolerance. We understand that people have different beliefs," said Sen. Will Espero, a Democrat. "We may not all agree on every single item and issue out there, but to say and highlight the negativity of the Islamic people is an insult to the majority" of believers "who are good law-abiding citizens of the world." But Republican Sen. Sam Slom argued that the United States has become too sympathetic toward Islamic extremists. "I don`t think there`s any country in the history of the world that has been more tolerant than the United States of America, and because of that tolerance, we`ve looked the other way a lot of times, and many thousands of our citizens have been killed by terrorists," said Slom, a Republican. The lone Democrat voting against the bill opposed it on church-state separation fears. 3965 W. 83rd. Street #292 Shawnee Mission, KS 66208 I Phone: 913.648.0022 I Fax: 913.648.7997 This site is designed for standards compliant browsers. If your browser is not standards compliant, download one here . Website copyright ? 2006. 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Now the complete realisation of how we only have HaShem to redeem us from the pain of Dad's illness, the devotion inside from mum and dad to follow him has never been more evident. Now mum sends me e mails begging me to send her more articles via e mail which I usually copy and send her from the excellent snippets you all post on Dialogue and SWW. And after recently gaining Stones Chumash, and telling her about it, she is desperate to get one as well. It makes me sing inside! I love you all so very much. Joe, Margie, Betty, Susie, Hanoch, ALL my brothers and sisters here. Thank you HaShem for calling your children. It's like water for a parched, desert worn soul. You are all wonderful -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/a834067c/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Thu May 14 06:51:51 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 04:51:51 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] the arab cancer inside Israel Message-ID: <855590370905140451l3a757b81hfcf79ffe7cfd121c@mail.gmail.com> Rav Kahane, H"YD (may G-d avenge his blood) WARNED us about the Arab 5th column in Israel - 35 years ago! But he was called a racist then; now we KNOW we'll have to dedicate troops to those "Israeli Arabs" - citizens of the State of Israel. You MUST read "They Must Go," it's online...Hey, don't send the Army, just let *'concerned citizens'* handle the situation... *Hanoch* ** *IDF Preparing Troops to Fight Arab Fifth Column in Wartime* Gil Ronen - May 05, 2009 Arutz-7 (IsraelNN.com) The IDF is training troops to fight against Arab Israeli citizens, if they rise up during wartime as they did in 2000. According to Maariv/NRG, the army is training infantry battalions to seize control of the strategic Wadi Ara (Nachal Eeron) road in wartime, should the need arise. The battalions are currently employed in routine security in Judea and Samaria. However, should a northern war front develop, they will be attached to the Home Front Command and sent to Umm El Fahm to beat back any attempts by the Arabs there to block the road. They have been trained in urban warfare for this purpose and have been acquainted with the methods for carrying out this ?sensitive? mission. Highway 65 connects the coastal area near Caesarea with Megiddo and Emek Yizre?el (the Valley of Esdraelon) and is strategically vital for the IDF when it seeks to transport tanks and other vehicles between northern front and the other fronts. The section of Highway 65 that passes through Nachal Eeron, or Wadi Ara, is part of the Biblical ?Sea Road? (Via Maris), which connected Egypt with Babylon and Assyria and was used by armies and traders since ancient times. The road is a segment of Highway 65 that runs through a concentration of Arab towns, including the city of Umm El-Fahm, which is a hotbed of Islamic radicalism and support for terrorism. When the Palestinian Authority under Yasser Arafat launched a terror war against Israeli citizens in 2000, *thousands of Israeli Arab citizens streamed out of their homes and attacked Jewish motorists. One motorist, Bechor Jean, was killed by a rock thrown from a bridge, and others barely escaped lynch attempts. * *Traffic blocked for a week* *The most serious disruption occurred in Wadi Ara, where traffic on Highway 65 was completely blocked for an entire week. Arabs in Umm El Fahm burned down their own bank and post office, took down road signs and traffic lights and set alight cars. * The rioters were met by police who were greatly outnumbered and who killed 12 Arabs in an attempt to quell the insurrection. The Israeli Left and Arab Knesset Members claimed that the response was a crime against Israeli citizens, and they succeeded to create a commission of inquiry that blamed the police for the deaths and meted out punishment to the police officers involved. *Since the commission?s report was filed, police officers have been less willing to confront Arab rioters aggressively. Intelligence to the enemy* *Another danger that the IDF is concerned about, besides an attempt to block the strategic highway, is the intelligence gathering capability of the locals. The army believes that Arab citizens may report to the enemy on the nature and numbers of forces passing through the road. * NRG reported that according to a Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) report published after the Second Lebanon War, the agency *identified squads of Israeli Arabs who collected military intelligence for Hizbullah, including information on the location of IDF units, alerts regarding impending IDF strikes on Lebanon and the home front?s preparations for the rest of the war. * In response to the report of the IDF?s plans, Arab Knesset Member Afu Agbariah (Hadash), a resident of Umm El Fahm, accused the IDF of ?inciting against the Arab population and the residents of Wadi Ara.? He added: ?We hope that the IDF will not mercilessly slaughter the Arabs of Wadi Ara, who are citizens with full rights, as it did to the residents of Gaza.? 3965 W. 83rd. 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Cornie Manhigut Yehudit wrote: > > *Authentic Leadership* > > * > * > > *Moshe Feiglin > *Authentic Jewish Leadership for Israel > Learn more > > > *Subscribe:* > > Keep Up-To-Date > Subscribe to > Our Weekly > Email Newsletter > > > *Contact Us:* > > Shmuel Sackett, > Manhigut Yehudit, > International Director > > Dovid Shirel, > Manhigut Yehudit, > Educational Director > > *Comments* > > Your Feedback is > Important to Us > Send Us Your Comments > > > *Moving Forward* > > Manhigut Yehudit > The Jewish Leadership > Movement: > > Diagnoses the Crisis > > Identifies the Goal > > Formulates the Plan > > Is moving Forward > > Learn more > > > *Visit Our Website:* > > *Learn more about > Jewish Leadership* > > Manhigut Yehudit has practical plans for the Jewish State. > > *Learn more at:* > * www.jewishisrael.org > * > > > > *Authentic Jewish Leadership for Israel* > > > *The Jewish Leadership Weekly Newsletter > *20 Iyar, 5769 (May 14) Issue 6937 > Print this update and distribute in your community. > Click here to download a 1 PAGE SHORTENED printer friendly version > > > *In this Issue:* > > * *The Easy Way to Heaven on Earth* > * *Preventing the Triumph of Evil: By Moshe Feiglin* > * *Press Release: Pope's Visit * > * *Join the Team!* > > *The Easy Way to Heaven on Earth* > > > The principle is really quite simple. G-d lays it out clearly in this > week's Torah portion, Bechukotai (Leviticus 26: 3-12) > First, we have the condition: > > I/f you walk in My statutes, and keep My commandments, and do them; / > > Second, the economic reward: > > /Then I will give your rains in their season, and the land shall yield > her produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. > And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall > reach unto the sowing time; and you shall eat your bread until you > have enough, / > > Third, the security reward: > > /And you will dwell in your land safely. / > > Followed by the reward of peace: > > /And I will give peace in the land. > / > Now, G-d goes on to explain what constitutes "peace:" > > /And you shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid; and I will > cause evil beasts to cease out of the land, neither shall the sword go > through your land. > / > Wait a second! Doesn't peace mean eating /humous/ in Damascus? Isn't > peace two states for two peoples? Doesn't peace mean becoming the > Singapore of the Middle East? Doesn't it mean painful concessions? > > G-d now elaborates on "peace:" > > /And you shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by > the sword. And five of you shall chase a hundred, and one hundred of > you shall chase ten thousand; and your enemies shall fall before you > by the sword./ > > It looks like Torah peace means swift victory with no casualties. > That's peace? > > Yes, that is peace. Peace is not assimilation a la Shimon Peres. Peace > is not "engaging" evil, but rather eradicating evil -- even and > especially when there is no immediate threat. It is in that case that > we justify our existence as a sovereign nation in the Land of Israel. > > /And I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply > you; and will establish My covenant with you. And you shall eat old > store long kept, and you shall bring forth the old from before the > new. And I will set My tabernacle among you, and My soul shall not > abhor you. And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and you > shall be My people. / > > Shabbat Shalom, > > /Moshe Feiglin/ > > / * Support Manhigut Yehudit Today > */ > > *Now is the time! > Your donation > can turn the State of the Jews > into the Jewish State. > * > Joining Manhigut Yehudit is much more than just a donation. > > *Now you're part of the team! > *You don't need to be living in Israel > > * Support Manhigut Yehudit Today > * > > > *Preventing the Triumph of Evil: By Moshe Feiglin* > > > /The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who > are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. / > *Albert Einstein* > > The new government Commission of Inquiry to Examine the Treatment of > the Evacuees of Gush Katif and Northern Shomron began its work this > week. If you had just landed here from the moon and heard the name of > the Commission, you would assume that some sort of natural disaster > had occurred in Gush Katif and North Shomron that required the > evacuation of its residents - and that the response of the emergency > personnel was somehow lacking. The lie that is in the very name of the > Commission guarantees that nothing will come out of it. > > The residents of Gush Katif were obviously not "evacuated" from their > homes. In the summer of 2005, a civil war took place in Israel. The > side that represented the feelings of most of the Israelis decided to > fight by reciting Psalms in the synagogue. As a result, the residents > of Gush Katif were /expelled/ from their homes. Their flourishing > towns and farms were completely destroyed and worst of all -- they > became objects of derision and the dam holding back further expulsions > and destructions was burst wide open. > > Post-Sharon and Olmert Israel is a country that has lost its founding > ethos. It has no shared values system and nothing is holy anymore. In > Israel 2009, you are not worth what you can give to society -- you are > worth how much damage you can cause. That is why the Arabs of Na'alin > got what they wanted after killing two soldiers and that is why nobody > dares to start up with Israel's Arabs. That is also why nobody wants > to cross the big unions or the Ultra-Orthodox. > > It makes no difference that the Orange public is the most creative and > ethical of Israel's sectors or that it produces the largest number of > volunteers for elite army units. All of that means nothing. If you > cannot do damage, no commission of inquiry will help. > > What the Left did and what the State's part was in the crime of > Expulsion no longer matters. The real Commission of Inquiry has to be > established within the Orange camp. All the evil of summer 2005 burst > through the door opened wide by the people who wanted to protect the > Land of Israel. > > The main lesson that the Orange camp and the entire nation must learn > from the Expulsion is that G-d does not work for us. On the contrary, > it is /we/ who work for /Him/. True, G-d made quite a few promises to > our forefathers and we gaze on in wonder as He fulfills those promises > to perfection against all historical probability. We have returned to > our Land and it flourishes and develops against all odds. We have > received the gift of Jerusalem, old people sit in its streets, canes > in hands and the sound of children playing rings through its alleys -- > exactly as G-d promised. > > But between the promise and its fulfillment we suffered through > pogroms, a holocaust and other horrors. Whoever thought that our > Father in Heaven is sitting snugly in his pocket and that the State of > Israel cannot be destroyed and that the Holocaust can never happen > again has a distorted sense of faith. (Please re-read this week's > Torah portion, /Bechukotai/). G-d owes us nothing, and if we decide to > commit suicide, our Father in Heaven just may honor our decision. > > Some people think that they have G-d all figured out and that all they > have to do is to keep putting up settlements. Everything else, they > reason, will fall into place as per G-d's plan, to which they are > privy. Unfortunately, this type of determinism turns simple faith into > a distorted image of what it should be. I was born in Israel 47 years > ago, and throughout the years, I have heard time and again that a > Holocaust can never happen again because we have a state. That is > simply not true. On the axis of time that begins in Auschwitz and ends > at the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem, we have run into a rut called > Oslo. From that point and on, we have been progressing backwards. Yes, > I am talking about destruction of the State and another Holocaust, G-d > forbid. > > The destruction of Gush Katif accelerated the reversal process. In the > Expulsion of 2005, all the delicate fibers holding the Zionist ethos > together snapped. The entire world watched on in glee as Israel > accepted the Palestinian claims of ownership of the entire Land and > destroyed itself. After Gush Katif, we have no more justification for > our existence in any place in the Land of Israel. That is why we > cannot win a war -- and that is what happened in the two wars that we > have fought since the Expulsion. > > The poor residents of Gush Katif were deceived by the deterministic > approach of their rabbis and political leaders. They did not fight for > their homes and also prevented those people who came to help from > fighting. (A clear example of this behavior is the case of Rabbi > Aviner and Effie Eitam, who together prevented the masses from exiting > Kfar Maimon on their way to Gush Katif.) He who does not fight -- no > matter what the outcome of his struggle -- proves that he cannot > damage the powers that be. This makes the next expulsion just a matter > of time. True, in Amona the Orange deterrence was temporarily restored > (despite the fact that Olmert "won") but that deterrence has since > been lost. > > The most hostile US government that we have known in recent history > will now meet up with an easily pressured Israeli leadership that > unfortunately has support to make concessions. While it is true that > Bibi lost to Kadimah, he was endorsed by all the right wing parties. > Outside of the Likud, there is no one to stop Bibi from surrendering > parts of the Land of Israel. > > Israel currently faces a two-pronged danger. The visible danger is > from a nuclear Iran. But the more insidious danger is that Israel will > willingly shrink back to its old Auschwitz borders (as they were > called by Abba Eban), something made realistic and applicable by the > "Disengagement." As the expulsion from Gush Katif has proven, retreat > from the land directly brings loss of international acceptance of > Israel's very existence. As long as our nation does not have ethical > leadership, the process of internal disintegration will continue -- > until the final, redeeming blow. > > Former Knesset Speaker and candidate for Prime Minister Avrum Burg > understood the pathology of this process and procured a French > passport. Don't make any mistakes; the people leading us to > destruction won't be here to suffer the consequences. The Oslo > adventure and the Palestinian state are just what these politicians > need to buy time and power -- until they take off. > > When Obama creates linkage between Yitzhar and Bushehr, he is actually > giving us the choice between swift destruction and a slower, less > painful destruction. That is a very enticing choice for someone whose > main goal is to remain in power. But the sad truth is that Obama will > never attack Iran -- even after Israeli retreats. Netanyahu will not > attack Iran against America's will. I hope that I am wrong. > > Israel is a strong nation and Israelis understand what has happened > here since Oslo. That is why they voted for Sharon after Ehud Barak > presented us with the Arab uprising in 2000. When Sharon veered left, > everybody knew that it was either a mistake or a crime. But the media > was with him, the elites were with him and there was no alternative > political leadership. When that happens, the fact that the nation is > with you in their hearts does not help. That is another important > lesson of the Expulsion. The fact that we are right and beloved by the > general public will not help without a real struggle - both political > and on the ground. > > So what can we do now? Pray? Nothing will succeed without prayer, but > only when it accompanies action and does not replace it. Prayer that > replaces action will not help, just as it did not help the na?ve, > righteous Jews in Gush Katif. /We/ work for G-d -- remember? We are > not angels. We must act within the framework of the world as > constructed by the Creator -- and pray all the while. > > We must understand that this is a do or die situation. The worst thing > that we can do now is to fall into the trap of compromise and > surrender. It will start from one small trailer home on a hilltop in > the Shomron and it will end in Tel Aviv. This is a total war and it > should be conducted as such. The guidelines for action are quite > simple. Whatever was done to save Gush Katif -- we must do just the > opposite! > > But that is just the small part of the conclusions. Because if Bibi > decides to expel the settlers -- and that is what he will decide -- > the IDF will carry out its orders once again. The most important > action that we can take right now is in the political arena. The only > significant opposition to Sharon's tyranny was from within his own > party. The Likud referendum on Gush Katif and the Likud "rebels" made > Sharon sweat a lot more than the Orange demonstrations. > > Smart and targeted action on the ground and in the Likud are the only > tools that, with G-d's help, will stop the tremendous danger hovering > over the existence of the State of Israel. If you have not yet > registered for the Likud, now is the time to do so! If you don't, you > won't have anything to say when good friends will toe Netanyahu's > destruction line. Remember, 'All that is necessary for the triumph of > evil is that good men do nothing.' > > Real action means building new leadership. Not just to prevent the > next expulsion -- but to transform the State of Israel into a Jewish > state. Israel must have leadership that strives to perfect the world > in the Kingdom of the Almighty while having its feet firmly planted on > the ground in science, communications, culture and every other facet > of life. Now is the time for each and every one of us to take > responsibility -- to register for the Likud, to register others, to > take up leadership positions within the Likud and to help in whatever > way possible. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/a94e31fd/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Thu May 14 09:10:36 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:10:36 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] RABBI AMAR'S BLING. In-Reply-To: <4A0BD4F9.5000807@westnet.com.au> References: <4A0BD4F9.5000807@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: Looooooove the Tablets!!!! Avigail From: JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:23 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] RABBI AMAR'S BLING. RABBI AMAR'S BLING (IsraelNN.com) Israel's Chief Sephardi Rabbi, the Rishon Letzion Rabbi Shlomo Amar, wore an unusual adornment at his meeting with the Pope in Jerusalem on Tuesday. Rabbi Amar met several days ago with one of his predecessors, Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef, and discussed with him his feelings of discomfort about his upcoming meeting with the Pope - because of the large golden cross he wears on his chest. Rabbi Amar generally wears, as did all his predecessors in his position of Rishon LeTzion (The First of Zion), a black cloak adorned with a broad collar and band of silver. This time, Rabbi Yosef advised Rabbi Amar to add a golden adornment of his own: a golden-plated ornament depicting the Tablets of the Law, topped with a crown. Rabbi Amar took the advice, and the golden Tablets can clearly be seen in the photos of the rabbis' meeting. May HaShem bless the Rabbi's bling........ which He already did at Har Sinai 3321 years ago. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/91601020/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 116286 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/91601020/attachment.png From stephen at 777jesusislord.com Thu May 14 09:22:27 2009 From: stephen at 777jesusislord.com (stephen) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:22:27 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] the arab cancer inside Israel (Hanoch Young) References: <4A0C069F.BC51.2B8@pop.directnic.com> Message-ID: <10F7298098C84E05AF6FEF0E5BC7F630@SEWVAC011> Hanoch, Re: The Arab cancer inside Israel I have often wondered *how* the L-rd will remove the Arabs whom for whatever reason he has permitted to live in Israel. Personally, I do not consider Allah to be G-d. Allah is a false god. *Why* HaShem allows worshippers of the false god Allah in the land, I do not comprehend. I think Ezekiel 36 is something to pray out of for the Land and the people of the Land. 21But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. vs37 especially: 37Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock. In the context, it seems like, the House of Israel is encouraged to Call on the Name of the L-rd to *sanctify* His GREAT NAME in the house of Israel .. and the Sanctity of His Name will drive out the blighted cancer. Stephen From zitro4 at yahoo.com Thu May 14 11:25:34 2009 From: zitro4 at yahoo.com (G. Ortiz) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] RABBI AMAR'S BLING. Message-ID: <630443.89328.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Love it!! ? Gisela --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Patricia Robbins wrote: From: Patricia Robbins Subject: Re: [Dialogue] RABBI AMAR'S BLING. To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:10 AM Looooooove the Tablets!!!!?? ? Avigail From: JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:23 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] RABBI AMAR'S BLING. RABBI AMAR'S BLING (IsraelNN.com) Israel?s Chief Sephardi Rabbi, the Rishon Letzion Rabbi Shlomo Amar, wore an unusual adornment at his meeting with the Pope in Jerusalem on Tuesday. Rabbi Amar met several days ago with one of his predecessors, Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef, and discussed with him his feelings of discomfort about his upcoming meeting with the Pope ? because of the large golden cross he wears on his chest. Rabbi Amar generally wears, as did all his predecessors in his position of Rishon LeTzion (The First of Zion), a black cloak adorned with a broad collar and band of silver. This time, Rabbi Yosef advised Rabbi Amar to add a golden adornment of his own: a golden-plated ornament depicting the Tablets of the Law, topped with a crown. Rabbi Amar took the advice, and the golden Tablets can clearly be seen in the photos of the rabbis? meeting. May HaShem bless the Rabbi's bling........ which He already did at Har Sinai 3321 years ago. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/456bedeb/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 116286 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/456bedeb/attachment.png From beartrm at yahoo.com Thu May 14 13:22:56 2009 From: beartrm at yahoo.com (susan strickland) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] new comer Message-ID: <444260.88026.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I want to thank all of you for the great welcome and support.? I went to see Eddie Chummney last night at GLC hoping to meet like minded people in my area only to find he hd taped the show earlier and was already gone. I am more determined now to find people in my area to form a study group.? After reading all the horror stories going on about how the world is abandoning Israel only confirms my determination to pray for Israel.? I feel led to support them not just through prayer but by any means the L-RD provides me with.? Not long after my paralysis became permanent I can remember asking HaShem to show me what I could do.?The very first thought was pray for the peace of Jerusalem.? Sadly I must confess I fell down on the job?He gave me over 6 years ago, but once again the fire has been rekindled within me.??I am so thankful that He never gave up on me and again finds?my prayers worthy to pray for Israel.? Susan --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Steve Mathe wrote: From: Steve Mathe Subject: Re: [Dialogue] new comer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:21 AM Shalom Susan, and welcome to our group of seekers of Truth and escapees from darkness! This is great!? We all have a similar overall story, we have all been searching for the Truth... it seems that we have all been drawn and moved to search for the Truth and been lead all along this way......... by Divine Providence.....? I just thought of it today, that doing so is really a process of repentance...? G-d is steering us that way... and the G-d of Israel always answers prayers of repentance.... a neat set-up.... Welcome again, Steve Ps. You may want to start a study group in your area.? BTW, Gang, am recommending that we all keep inn mind the possibility of? starting some kind of meeting, chavurah, congregation or study group in our neck of the woods...? I have been wanting to announce this plan of mine, but now the cat is out of the bag...? Jacob told us to "Gather yourselves together."? we got to do that, the time is here.... I will say more about that on my new website.... I mentioned it in a blurb, but it will just necessitate a whole article just on that.... At 09:13 AM 5/13/2009, you wrote: Shalom to all,? Ross was kind enough to put me on the dialogue list.? I have been on the SWW for over a month but wasn't really getting to know anyone.? Margie is my best friend and started me searching for my hebraic roots more than 8 years or so ago.? I am so blessed to have such a wonderful friend even though the miles have put a good distance between us the Lord has never separated us spiritually.? I live in Midland, TX and would love to meet someone in this area to study Torah with and even share Sabbaths with.? I am in a wheel chair so it is hard for me to get into anyone's house but my house is always open.? Eddie Chummney is going to be at GLC tonight and tomorrow night and I can't wait to go and listen to him.? I feel sure there will be other people there that have the same hunger for Torah as I do.? I know HaShem will place those in my life who can do nothing but confirm my hunger for His Torah as he gave me Margie.? Again I just wanted to say hi and I am thankful to be a part of Ross's many endeavors to reach so many.? Susan _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/d1b4e4fa/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Thu May 14 14:26:21 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] new comer Message-ID: <434145.65175.qm@web58504.mail.re3.yahoo.com> YeeeeeeHaw!?(That's?Praise HaShem in Texan)? I knew that spark would?burn strong again.? Welcome back! ? Margie --- On Thu, 5/14/09, susan strickland wrote: From: susan strickland Subject: Re: [Dialogue] new comer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:22 PM I want to thank all of you for the great welcome and support.? I went to see Eddie Chummney last night at GLC hoping to meet like minded people in my area only to find he hd taped the show earlier and was already gone. I am more determined now to find people in my area to form a study group.? After reading all the horror stories going on about how the world is abandoning Israel only confirms my determination to pray for Israel.? I feel led to support them not just through prayer but by any means the L-RD provides me with.? Not long after my paralysis became permanent I can remember asking HaShem to show me what I could do.?The very first thought was pray for the peace of Jerusalem.? Sadly I must confess I fell down on the job?He gave me over 6 years ago, but once again the fire has been rekindled within me.??I am so thankful that He never gave up on me and again finds?my prayers worthy to pray for Israel.? Susan --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Steve Mathe wrote: From: Steve Mathe Subject: Re: [Dialogue] new comer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:21 AM Shalom Susan, and welcome to our group of seekers of Truth and escapees from darkness! This is great!? We all have a similar overall story, we have all been searching for the Truth... it seems that we have all been drawn and moved to search for the Truth and been lead all along this way......... by Divine Providence.....? I just thought of it today, that doing so is really a process of repentance...? G-d is steering us that way... and the G-d of Israel always answers prayers of repentance.... a neat set-up.... Welcome again, Steve Ps. You may want to start a study group in your area.? BTW, Gang, am recommending that we all keep inn mind the possibility of? starting some kind of meeting, chavurah, congregation or study group in our neck of the woods...? I have been wanting to announce this plan of mine, but now the cat is out of the bag...? Jacob told us to "Gather yourselves together."? we got to do that, the time is here.... I will say more about that on my new website.... I mentioned it in a blurb, but it will just necessitate a whole article just on that.... At 09:13 AM 5/13/2009, you wrote: Shalom to all,? Ross was kind enough to put me on the dialogue list.? I have been on the SWW for over a month but wasn't really getting to know anyone.? Margie is my best friend and started me searching for my hebraic roots more than 8 years or so ago.? I am so blessed to have such a wonderful friend even though the miles have put a good distance between us the Lord has never separated us spiritually.? I live in Midland, TX and would love to meet someone in this area to study Torah with and even share Sabbaths with.? I am in a wheel chair so it is hard for me to get into anyone's house but my house is always open.? Eddie Chummney is going to be at GLC tonight and tomorrow night and I can't wait to go and listen to him.? I feel sure there will be other people there that have the same hunger for Torah as I do.? I know HaShem will place those in my life who can do nothing but confirm my hunger for His Torah as he gave me Margie.? Again I just wanted to say hi and I am thankful to be a part of Ross's many endeavors to reach so many.? Susan _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/29a93695/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Thu May 14 17:09:54 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:09:54 -0500 Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. In-Reply-To: <4A06FEA4.5030204@gninc.ca> References: <4A06C673.3060203@westnet.com.au> <4A06FEA4.5030204@gninc.ca> Message-ID: <4A0C96B2.3050204@gninc.ca> Dear Joe and all who have had I want to let you know that it is just absolutely phenomenal, for anyone of all of you in the group who can look back to having had a closeness with a mother who cared so much and was an example to you. How precious. I would not want it any different for you, even when I have not had that experience. I am a kind of simpleton. Yes, the first 5 years after my mom past away, I had such a yearning for my dad, whom i hardly ever saw in those following years. In my mind he was a prince that I so much longed to be with. Only to find that others did not necessarily see him like I did. Only to find out later to my disappointment that he was not an angel either. But when I look back now, I am convinced it was all for my good. When Hashem allows us to experience a difficult existence, that we all likely have in common some where or other, yet when the fog clears away, I can only see a real beauty in it all!! For an example, if none of you all had experienced any grief in your own life, there would not have been so much compassion toward even one like me, like I feel totally unworthy of. What else could cause the warmheartedness I have felt from a group of people like you all, when we have never met?? So be blessed, all of you who have had a special mother. And like you expressed it Joe, about your mother: /She was a trillionaire through and through. /P.S. Oh yes, almost forgot. By next week Monday I will likely have an address change. My new address will be cormary at mts.net /Cornie/ Cornie Reimer wrote: > Dear Joe > I am envious of all of you who can relate to a dear mother on mothers > day. My mother, with a very few though precious memories, passed away > far to young, when I was 5. I could not grasp what was going on. My > own dear wife has warned me recently, not to get her a mothers day > card. ( yes, I know it is a bipolar symptom) I guess i must seem very > callous to her, which i can not describe in words what that does to > me. It makes me feel like I truly must be a nobody. Maybe that > explains why I appear so cold to express what you others can do with > such warmth. My heart is broken, to put it mildly. > > Maybe I should have written this to you personally, which I thought I > had done in the letter to Pat, but found out it some how was addressed > to the dialogue. > > Cornie > > > > JOE INDOMENICO wrote: >> /Shalom Chaverim, >> >> I just returned home from visiting my father and sister in Brisbane >> today with Heidi and I was overwhelmed by your touching emails. You >> all brought tears of joy to my heart beyond imagination. Thank you >> all for loving and tender words. >> >> I paid my respects at the cemetery to my loving mother Tina. >> >> Yes Margie she was beautiful in all aspects of her life. Physically >> and spiritually. She taught me the importance in life of always >> making deposits and never extracting withdrawals so that at the >> moment of death you would never be spiritually and morally bankrupt. >> She was a trillionaire through and through. I wish I could be a >> fraction of her. >> >> Helen, I will never forget her smile. The photo was taken before she >> fell ill. Even though she deteriorated physically , she never lost >> that smile. Two years before she died I was able to get her a Bible >> in Italian. I was so proud of her when I used to walk into the >> dialysis unit at hospital and she her engrossed in reading whilst all >> the other ladies were reading junk women's magazines. When she saw me >> she would get all excited and that smile when she would read to me >> her favourite passages about Israel and HaShem's grace. One of her >> favourite passages was the confession of Ruth's love for Naomi and >> the G-d of Israel. This was read together with Isaiah 43 v 1-5 at her >> funeral. >> >> Hanoch, Achi, what can I say ... your words really touched a soft >> spot in my heart. I am sure that you also today remembered your >> mother Zeisel, of blessed memory. I know that we have spoken about >> this before but you are also a wonderful product of maternal love. >> Her guidance and encouragement of love is a genuine tribute to the >> way that you also reared your beautiful daughters Ayala and Kyra. The >> way that you instilled Emunah and Ahavat HaShem v'Yisrael in your >> daughters is the ultimate testimony on the worth of a righteous >> mother. We both won jackpot in this aspect of life. >> Your kind words towards the living memory of my mother are very >> humbling. She loved Israel and she always mourned for the mothers of >> the victims of homicide bombings . I recall one day that she was not >> feeling all that well and I tried to comfort her. That very day the >> terrorists killed all those beautiful young Israeli teenage girls at >> the disco in Tel Aviv. Even though my mother was in pain she >> commented that her pain was for the mothers of the innocent victims >> of the cruel bombings. May HaShem avenge their innocent blood. >> My mother never visited Israel but Israel visited her. In her grave I >> poured a small bucket of soil from Yerushalayim, a small bottle of >> stream water from the River Jordan, a small piece of timber from an >> olive tree in the Galilee and an olive leaf from the Garden of >> Gethsemane. These we given to my mother by a friend and she cherised >> them so much that she requested to be buried with them. From the >> moment I shared the Emet of the Tanach with my mother she instantly >> became converted, even though she was brought up as a Catholic. I am >> still amazed to this very day. Not one if, what or maybe. Thanks >> again Achi. >> >> Elisheva, you also would have felt this day together with James and >> your family with the loss of your mother Hazel Mae. >> Mothers , aren't they the most precious expression of HaShem's >> unconditional love. >> That is the bitter sweet that you speak of. The sweetness of the >> wonderful memories and the bitter of not hearing, seeing and touching >> them. >> In my life, I must admit that the women are a special blessing. The >> theme of unconditional love is always the undercurrent. My mother and >> I would not be here but for the love and grace of my grandmother Maria. >> My Nonna Maria had 22 babies of which only 6 survived past the first >> year. >> My Grandfather Carmelo went to Argentina to work in order to support >> the family. They had five children at the time. >> Well he did support them for the first 6 months and then shacked up >> with a muchacha from Beunos Aires and forgot about his wife and children. >> Nonna Maria was left to raise 5 children on her own. These were the >> years during and after the depression. All she could do was bake >> bread. So she scrounged a living . >> After 9 years there was a knock on the door and it was my >> grandfather. She took him back , no questions asked. She forgave him >> unconditionally. They resumed their marriage. >> At the age of 50 my grandmother was pregnant with my mother, well >> after her menopause. >> During child birth , 3 times both my grandmother and mother almost >> died. In fact , my mother was baptized three times by three different >> nurses because they thought she would die. Because of this my mother >> was given 3 NAMES. >> Baruch HaShem. The power of unconditional love , grace and forgiveness. >> >> Ross, thank you for your kind words of support. I appreciate them >> very much. >> Please cherish your mother while she is alive and never get tired of >> telling her how much you love her. >> >> I hope that all the mothers on the dialogue list are having a warm >> and loving day with the families. >> May HaShem grant you all the love and respect that you deserve. You >> are all wonderful . >> >> Finally, I was given a treat by my father today during my visit. >> He gave me an old photograph of Mamma Tina and yours truely while we >> were still living in Sicily. I was two years old. >> Thank you HaShem for my Papa' >> >> Shalom v'Ahavah >> JOE. >> / >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/10998acd/attachment.html From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 14 17:52:44 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:52:44 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] RABBI AMAR'S BLING. References: <4A0BD4F9.5000807@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: Thanks Patricia, I really appreciate you sharing this gem, Shalom, Faith. Looooooove the Tablets!!!! Avigail From: JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:23 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] RABBI AMAR'S BLING. RABBI AMAR'S BLING (IsraelNN.com) Israel's Chief Sephardi Rabbi, the Rishon Letzion Rabbi Shlomo Amar, wore an unusual adornment at his meeting with the Pope in Jerusalem on Tuesday. Rabbi Amar met several days ago with one of his predecessors, Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef, and discussed with him his feelings of discomfort about his upcoming meeting with the Pope - because of the large golden cross he wears on his chest. Rabbi Amar generally wears, as did all his predecessors in his position of Rishon LeTzion (The First of Zion), a black cloak adorned with a broad collar and band of silver. This time, Rabbi Yosef advised Rabbi Amar to add a golden adornment of his own: a golden-plated ornament depicting the Tablets of the Law, topped with a crown. Rabbi Amar took the advice, and the golden Tablets can clearly be seen in the photos of the rabbis' meeting. May HaShem bless the Rabbi's bling........ which He already did at Har Sinai 3321 years ago. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/dceb0908/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 116286 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/dceb0908/attachment.png From correim at gninc.ca Thu May 14 19:27:32 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:27:32 -0500 Subject: Cornie [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. In-Reply-To: <6EC368A7ACEF47A69CBBBD88F8AB1CEE@bettylaptop> References: <4A06C673.3060203@westnet.com.au> <4A06FEA4.5030204@gninc.ca> <6EC368A7ACEF47A69CBBBD88F8AB1CEE@bettylaptop> Message-ID: <4A0CB6F4.9020607@gninc.ca> Dear Betty and Sharon, and all who have written to me about my broken heart etc. It is so true that Hashem is close to the brokenhearted. I know that by clear experiences. May Hashem richly bless you all. Cornie Betty Givin wrote: > > Dear Cornie, I am so sorry to hear of your broken heart. As Sharon so > lovingly said below, I am sure there are others who would have similar > thoughts and emotions, yet all will be restored and healed. Life it > seems is filled with so much pain, if not the loss of a mother at an > early age or a wife who cannot embrace your love for her with a full > heart, then the loss of a child or a husband or father. > > > > Yet we know that HaShem is */"close to the brokenhearted/*" and saves > those who have a */"contrite spirit."/* (Psa 34:19). > > > > Also Psalms 147:3 */"He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their > wounds. He counts the number of the stars; he calls them by their > names."/* > > > > This last verse is incredible to me as it speaks of the HaShem's > individual children on a person basis, those who are brokenhearted, > and says that He will bind up their wounds...and this is the same G-D > who counts the number of starts and calls them by name!!! Utterly > phenomenal! > > > > If ever there was a person with a contrite spirit, Cornie, it is > you! HaShem loves you so very much. Bask in that love and let Him > bind up your wounds... > > > > I believe that your post needed to be addressed to all of us. > > > > We all love you too and are always here for you. > > > > Elisheva/Betty > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org > [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *Stephen & Sharon > *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:02 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. > > > > Dearest Cornie, > > > > You express thoughts and emotions which are, I would guess, not > unfamiliar to many of us - bless you! > > All will be restored and healed as we move closer to the great > redemption. B"H! > > > > Sharon > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Cornie Reimer > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:19 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] Mamma Tina. > > > > Dear Joe > I am envious of all of you who can relate to a dear mother on > mothers day. My mother, with a very few though precious memories, > passed away far to young, when I was 5. I could not grasp what was > going on. My own dear wife has warned me recently, not to get her > a mothers day card. ( yes, I know it is a bipolar symptom) I guess > i must seem very callous to her, which i can not describe in words > what that does to me. It makes me feel like I truly must be a > nobody. Maybe that explains why I appear so cold to express what > you others can do with such warmth. My heart is broken, to put it > mildly. > > Maybe I should have written this to you personally, which I > thought I had done in the letter to Pat, but found out it some how > was addressed to the dialogue. > > Cornie > > > > JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > > /Shalom Chaverim, > > I just returned home from visiting my father and sister in > Brisbane today with Heidi and I was overwhelmed by your touching > emails. You all brought tears of joy to my heart beyond > imagination. Thank you all for loving and tender words. > > I paid my respects at the cemetery to my loving mother Tina. > > Yes Margie she was beautiful in all aspects of her life. > Physically and spiritually. She taught me the importance in life > of always making deposits and never extracting withdrawals so that > at the moment of death you would never be spiritually and morally > bankrupt. She was a trillionaire through and through. I wish I > could be a fraction of her. > > Helen, I will never forget her smile. The photo was taken before > she fell ill. Even though she deteriorated physically , she never > lost that smile. Two years before she died I was able to get her a > Bible in Italian. I was so proud of her when I used to walk into > the dialysis unit at hospital and she her engrossed in reading > whilst all the other ladies were reading junk women's magazines. > When she saw me she would get all excited and that smile when she > would read to me her favourite passages about Israel and HaShem's > grace. One of her favourite passages was the confession of Ruth's > love for Naomi and the G-d of Israel. This was read together with > Isaiah 43 v 1-5 at her funeral. > > Hanoch, Achi, what can I say ... your words really touched a soft > spot in my heart. I am sure that you also today remembered your > mother Zeisel, of blessed memory. I know that we have spoken about > this before but you are also a wonderful product of maternal love. > Her guidance and encouragement of love is a genuine tribute to the > way that you also reared your beautiful daughters Ayala and Kyra. > The way that you instilled Emunah and Ahavat HaShem v'Yisrael in > your daughters is the ultimate testimony on the worth of a > righteous mother. We both won jackpot in this aspect of life. > Your kind words towards the living memory of my mother are very > humbling. She loved Israel and she always mourned for the mothers > of the victims of homicide bombings . I recall one day that she > was not feeling all that well and I tried to comfort her. That > very day the terrorists killed all those beautiful young Israeli > teenage girls at the disco in Tel Aviv. Even though my mother was > in pain she commented that her pain was for the mothers of the > innocent victims of the cruel bombings. May HaShem avenge their > innocent blood. > My mother never visited Israel but Israel visited her. In her > grave I poured a small bucket of soil from Yerushalayim, a small > bottle of stream water from the River Jordan, a small piece of > timber from an olive tree in the Galilee and an olive leaf from > the Garden of Gethsemane. These we given to my mother by a friend > and she cherised them so much that she requested to be buried with > them. >From the moment I shared the Emet of the Tanach with my > mother she instantly became converted, even though she was brought > up as a Catholic. I am still amazed to this very day. Not one if, > what or maybe. Thanks again Achi. > > Elisheva, you also would have felt this day together with James > and your family with the loss of your mother Hazel Mae. > Mothers , aren't they the most precious expression of HaShem's > unconditional love. > That is the bitter sweet that you speak of. The sweetness of the > wonderful memories and the bitter of not hearing, seeing and > touching them. > In my life, I must admit that the women are a special blessing. > The theme of unconditional love is always the undercurrent. My > mother and I would not be here but for the love and grace of my > grandmother Maria. > My Nonna Maria had 22 babies of which only 6 survived past the > first year. > My Grandfather Carmelo went to Argentina to work in order to > support the family. They had five children at the time. > Well he did support them for the first 6 months and then shacked > up with a muchacha from Beunos Aires and forgot about his wife and > children. > Nonna Maria was left to raise 5 children on her own. These were > the years during and after the depression. All she could do was > bake bread. So she scrounged a living . > After 9 years there was a knock on the door and it was my > grandfather. She took him back , no questions asked. She forgave > him unconditionally. They resumed their marriage. > At the age of 50 my grandmother was pregnant with my mother, well > after her menopause. > During child birth , 3 times both my grandmother and mother almost > died. In fact , my mother was baptized three times by three > different nurses because they thought she would die. Because of > this my mother was given 3 NAMES. > Baruch HaShem. The power of unconditional love , grace and > forgiveness. > > Ross, thank you for your kind words of support. I appreciate them > very much. > Please cherish your mother while she is alive and never get tired > of telling her how much you love her. > > I hope that all the mothers on the dialogue list are having a warm > and loving day with the families. > May HaShem grant you all the love and respect that you deserve. > You are all wonderful . > > Finally, I was given a treat by my father today during my visit. > He gave me an old photograph of Mamma Tina and yours truely while > we were still living in Sicily. I was two years old. > Thank you HaShem for my Papa' > > Shalom v'Ahavah > JOE. > > / > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/409efdf5/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Thu May 14 20:10:52 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:10:52 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] RABBI AMAR'S BLING. In-Reply-To: References: <4A0BD4F9.5000807@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: Hi, Pamela! It wasn't mine. It was Joe's, but I'm with you - IT'S A GEM!!!!! From: Pamela Barbera Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:52 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] RABBI AMAR'S BLING. Thanks Patricia, I really appreciate you sharing this gem, Shalom, Faith. Looooooove the Tablets!!!! Avigail From: JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:23 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] RABBI AMAR'S BLING. RABBI AMAR'S BLING (IsraelNN.com) Israel's Chief Sephardi Rabbi, the Rishon Letzion Rabbi Shlomo Amar, wore an unusual adornment at his meeting with the Pope in Jerusalem on Tuesday. Rabbi Amar met several days ago with one of his predecessors, Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef, and discussed with him his feelings of discomfort about his upcoming meeting with the Pope - because of the large golden cross he wears on his chest. Rabbi Amar generally wears, as did all his predecessors in his position of Rishon LeTzion (The First of Zion), a black cloak adorned with a broad collar and band of silver. This time, Rabbi Yosef advised Rabbi Amar to add a golden adornment of his own: a golden-plated ornament depicting the Tablets of the Law, topped with a crown. Rabbi Amar took the advice, and the golden Tablets can clearly be seen in the photos of the rabbis' meeting. May HaShem bless the Rabbi's bling........ which He already did at Har Sinai 3321 years ago. 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In-Reply-To: <4A0BD4F9.5000807@westnet.com.au> References: <4A0BD4F9.5000807@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200905150304.n4F34WJa010212@mail384c25.carrierzone.com> Hurray for Rabbi Amar! I can understand his "discomfort," but we cannot make anyone take their religious symbols away... all we can do is to be respectful to the office, and wear the religious symbol of our own, which Rabbi Amar does... in an appropriate "tuche" manner. Good for him. He is making a statement to the Pope's symbol: "No, The Torah / Law is NOT nailed to the cross," as the majority of Christians are told to believe. Am reminded of the PR Margie was given March 31, to prepare for the meeting with a minister who did not approve of her leading a Bible study: "It is time for the LORD to work; they have made void Thy law [Torah]." - Psalm 119:126 (JPS). All the forces of darkness are converging on Israel to give place to the murderers inside her, this is "exhibit A" to that end. Rabbi Kahane was right, ("They Must Go!") for the Torah is right in giving Israel a mandate to eliminate the murderous element from her domain, (Num. 33:55, Josh. 23:11-13, Judges 2:3). We did not drive the inhabitants of the land out in ancient times, nor in modern times, and they were and are "thorns in our sides and eyes." Now we have this high priest of Dagon, siding with our sworn suicidal, jihadist, morally insane enemies. Baruch HaShem, if the prophecies of one of their own, the medieval Irish monk St. Malachy is correct, (and so far he is, http://www.theworkofgod.org/Pope/saint_malachy_prophecies.htm), there is one more Pontifex Maximus left after this one, and the dissolution of the RCC will come to pass. That should tell us what time it is. The above Catholic website says: "With the purifying properties of the olive, our Pontiff comes to challenge error. He presents himself exposing the truth of our faith with special courage, he is prepared to heal the cancer of heresy, the infection of apostasy, and to promote the health of the Catholic Church." It is interesting to note that many times in the past centuries such were the aims of the Catholic Church with the approval of the civil powers at hand, at auto-de fes, (meaning "acts of faith" with the implied goal of "disambiguation"), the public trials of so many so-called heretics, with subsequent garrotings or burnings at the stake. A great many of these were hauled before the Inquisition on charges of "Judaizing," i.e. they only looked in the Bible and found its eternal Truths out of phase with those of the RCC. Many were crypto-Jews. Related to this I believe, was the last burning at the stake of a Jewish girl in the 1800s in Mexico. (If anyone knows the date and name, please let us know, I cannot just now find the reference for that). His motto is "Coworker of the Truth." With all dues respect, this 111th pope of a total of 112 prophesied to be, may mean well, but "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." - Prov. 14:12. This Pontiff may not be for public burnings at the stake of heretics and Judaizers, but interestingly he is drumming up support for the "civil powers" to prepare for a greater public burning of the Jews, this time at the hands of the PLO, Hamas, the Ahmenidejads, and the rest of adherents of the "religion of peace." May we wise up before that happens. Steve PS: Of related interest see: History of the Crypto Jews of New Mexico http://books.google.com/books?id=f74rlXUznhgC&pg=PA79&lpg=PA79&dq=Mexican+auto+de+fe&source=bl&ots=YkcQqeNoDU&sig=UpmcygXnn6pcjdEMILZSrQEXZM0&hl=en&ei=M8gMSrToH4jaswPDpczqAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#PPP1,M1 At 01:23 AM 5/14/2009, you wrote: >RABBI AMAR'S BLING > >(IsraelNN.com) Israel?s Chief Sephardi Rabbi, >the Rishon Letzion Rabbi Shlomo Amar, wore an >unusual adornment at his meeting with the Pope in Jerusalem on Tuesday. > >Rabbi Amar met several days ago with one of his >predecessors, Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef, and discussed >with him his feelings of discomfort about his >upcoming meeting with the Pope ? because of the >large golden cross he wears on his chest. > > > >[] > >Rabbi Amar generally wears, as did all his >predecessors in his position of Rishon LeTzion >(The First of Zion), a black cloak adorned with >a broad collar and band of silver. This time, >Rabbi Yosef advised Rabbi Amar to add a golden >adornment of his own: a golden-plated ornament >depicting the Tablets of the Law, topped with a crown. >Rabbi Amar took the advice, and the golden >Tablets can clearly be seen in the photos of the rabbis? meeting. > >May HaShem bless the Rabbi's bling........ which >He already did at Har Sinai 3321 years ago. > >Shalom v'Ahavah >JOE. > > >_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/bdd6d661/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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James Begin forwarded message: From: YoungBarzel at aol.com Date: May 14, 2009 9:38:35 PM EDT To: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Subject: Check out US Airways | Promotions | New destinations on sale Specials Click here: US Airways | Promotions | New destinations on sale Specials Charlotte - Tel Aviv, who would have believed it?!? Shabbat Shalom, Hanoch Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/a0c8c96d/attachment.html From dhcole1 at cox.net Thu May 14 22:40:39 2009 From: dhcole1 at cox.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:40:39 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] conference speakers References: <8B6D5D83FD8943B584A89BF9F6C4B3F3@pc2> <89B0F143A7864214A1CF80C719950F4F@davesbook> Message-ID: Conference speakers! Joe Goods "amazing treasures of the Mishnah" session is posted for veiwing..... Scroll down for details on how to find the videos. More to come. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Cole To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] conference speakers The three greatest chapters in the Hebrew Bible acording to Ross Nichols is now posted for veiwing, along with Hanoch's presentation and James Tabor's "Three greatest chapters". Will have the other sessions ready soon. This week I Hope to have all sessions posted that allows one to download. Scroll down for details on how to find the videos. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Cole To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: [Dialogue] conference speakers The Presentations by James and Hanoch are posted for viewing. http://rootsoffaith.org/blog-and-podcasts/streaming-video/ on the viewer that opens from this link there is a small box that is labeled "on demand" this will bring you to a menu that allows you to choose which speaker you want to open. It is posted on the Roots of Faith network. The less direct route is to go to this website www.rootsoffaith.net (you don't have to join up to check it out.....but we would love to see you there!!) From this site you can then click on the tab "webcast". Chose "live video".... When the video player opens you will be viewing a recorded session. THEN on the video player itself, at the bottom, there are two choices, 1. "on air" or 2. "on demand". choose "on demand" and then you will see two choices "Sunday shul" or UIWU. click on UIWU and you will then see two choices, James or Hanoch. Soon there will be more others to view. Soon there will be downloadable sessions of the conference along with audio mp3 files for you to down load. enjoy! dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090514/404af082/attachment.html From jid at westnet.com.au Fri May 15 00:00:41 2009 From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:00:41 +1000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] new comer] Message-ID: <4A0CF6F9.8070104@westnet.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:04:46 -0700 Size: 74758 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/d87f8caa/attachment.eml From jid at westnet.com.au Fri May 15 00:02:10 2009 From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:02:10 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Behar-Bechukosai.mp3 (audio/mpeg Object) Message-ID: <4A0CF752.7080203@westnet.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/46a9e6b5/attachment.html From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Fri May 15 00:09:14 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:09:14 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Behar-Bechukosai.mp3 (audio/mpeg Object) References: <4A0CF752.7080203@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <5AB5D477818B443093F8D00EB0E5B640@pamelahome> Dear Joe, I am new to the group. Do you live in Brisbane Australia? If so, perhaps we, my husband and I, could get together with you one Shabbat? Shabbat Shalom, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: JOE INDOMENICO To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:02 PM Subject: [Dialogue] Behar-Bechukosai.mp3 (audio/mpeg Object) Shabbat Shalom JOE. http://www.puresoulband.com/podcast/Behar-Bechukosai.mp3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/7928761c/attachment.html From jid at westnet.com.au Fri May 15 00:31:23 2009 From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:31:23 +1000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Behar-Bechukosai.mp3 (audio/mpeg Object)] Message-ID: <4A0CFE2B.4080707@westnet.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He presents himself exposing the truth of our faith with special courage, he is prepared to heal the cancer of heresy, the infection of apostasy, and to promote the health of the Catholic Church." It is interesting again to contrast this statement with a PR [for those new, who do not know, that stands for Private Revelation, received during prayer] received two years ago, when friends asked me to pray for a very Christian friend of theirs who came to them for help when she was in terrible panic, suffering from cancer. I do not remember which line from Psalms it was, since there are a number of them with this directive, but basically it said "Call on the name of the L_RD." I told her, that means the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I do not know if she ever did pray so, but she did die of cancer, some time later. I believe G-d would have healed her, since this was a direct answer concerning her, if she took g-d up on the directive. One thing is sure though, if we did "call on the name of the L_RD" He would drive out the evil inhabitants of the Land from before us. (Deut. 11;22-23). Of course, that has its concomitant obligations of keeping the commandments Steve At 07:22 AM 5/14/2009, you wrote: >Hanoch, > >Re: The Arab cancer inside Israel > >I have often wondered *how* the L-rd >will remove the Arabs whom for whatever reason >he has permitted to live in Israel. > >Personally, I do not consider Allah to be G-d. >Allah is a false god. *Why* HaShem allows >worshippers of the false god Allah in the land, >I do not comprehend. > >I think Ezekiel 36 is something to pray out of >for the Land and the people of the Land. > >21But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had >profaned among the heathen, whither they went. >22Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; I >do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy >name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. > >23And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the >heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the >heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I >shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. > >vs37 especially: > >37Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the >house of Israel, > > to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock. > >In the context, it seems like, the House of Israel is encouraged to >Call on the Name of > >the L-rd to *sanctify* His GREAT NAME in the house of Israel .. and >the Sanctity of > >His Name will drive out the blighted cancer. > >Stephen > > > >_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please email privately with your telephone number and I will ring you after Shabbat. Shabbat Shalom JOE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/af84a136/attachment.html From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Fri May 15 03:13:43 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:13:43 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Islamic Demographics Message-ID: <2B52B3F9C3C84A8FBAAEA9BEE4077347@pamelahome> Dear fellow believers in One G-d , if you haven't already seen this video, please watch it. Shabbat Shalom, Pamela MUST WATCH Short Video! TAKE THE TIME TO WATCH THIS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You have been through so much, and the love you > express - even though it comes through terribly painful experiences - > just goes to further prove what a remarkable person you are. Despite > your situation, you remain string and faithful. you are a wonderful > example. Your mother would have been so proud of you Cornie. Stay > strong - I am praying. May HaShem be with you always. Catherine > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/0e0a230b/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Fri May 15 04:28:01 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 02:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Fw: Bibi- Safeguard Israel, for our sake and for the sake of the future generations Message-ID: <56304.12684.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Women in Green wrote: From: Women in Green Subject: Bibi- Safeguard Israel, for our sake and for the sake of the future generations To: wfit2 at womeningreen.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 1:40 AM Instructions for unsubscribing can be found in the footer of this message. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Friends, Below please find information on our bus campaign. Following that will be information on a rally taking place on Monday in Washington, organized by AMCHA. We call upon all to come to the rally. With love for Israel, Nadia Matar, Women in Green Yehudit Katzover, the Comittee for a Jewish Shdema --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) The "Bibi-Safeguard Israel bus campaign" Last week we called upon you to launch a "Bibi-Safeguard Israel" campaign in which we would put ads on the back of buses in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, calling upon the Prime Minister to stand firm and not capitulate to the pressures. Thanks to your care and your concern, together with hundreds of other friends of Israel who contacted us and pledged to donate, we were able to, overnight, advertise the ad on ninety buses ? forty in Jerusalem and fifty in Tel Aviv. The ads have been up on the buses since Sunday and will stay on till the end of next week. The campaign raised consciousness to the issue of the Land of Israel and was welcomed by the public as a breath of fresh air. To see pictures of the buses,please click on: http://womeningreen.org.il/new/page.asp?id=msdn&privet=art&ida=622 For the Arutz 7 Hebrew report on our campaign (including video) please click on: http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/189247 Today, Friday, we are publishing the following open letter to Prime Minister Netanyahu in some of the newspapers in Israel: To the Prime Minister of Israel, Mr. Binyamin Netanyahu Safeguard the Land of Israel! Behind this poster, bearing its message on buses throughout Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, are thousands of Jews who gave of their money to give you strength as you embark on your mission to the United States. The people of Israel know that this trip will be fateful for their future. You were chosen to lead the Jewish People at this time because, unlike your rivals, you spoke the truth. You said that concessions for a fraudulent ?peace? only brings weakness and war. You never accepted that deceitful slogan ?two states for two peoples? because you understood that it was a crafty formula for the destruction of the State of Israel. In the last election, the Israeli people rejected those leaders who raced to squander and surrender our national interests. They brought us 1,500 victims of ?peace?, a rain of Kassams in the South, a Hamas government in Gaza, Hezbollah rule in Lebanon, and the tremendous strengthening of our enemies in Israel and around the world. Mr. Netanyahu, don't fear conflict with President Obama because there is no avoiding it. We've already learned that the more concessions we make, the more pressure is brought to bear. The only way to reduce American pressure is to stand fast against it and to firmly insist on our rights to the Land of Israel.? Tens of millions of Americans and their representatives in the Congress and Senate support a strong Israel and are opposed to the concessions that the White House is trying to force upon you. Who knows better than yourself how to work with the true friends of Israel to secure our national interests, which are also the best interests of the United States and the whole world. Mr. Prime Minister, we call on you to stand strong and firm and to take your place in history as the leader who saved Israel from the spiral of destruction brought upon her by the Oslo Accords. Go in peace and return whole to the Land of our Fathers, the Land of Israel. The Grassroots campaign for Israel?s Future For information and to sponsor buses: 050-5500834 or 050-7161818 http://www.womeningreen.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- 2) Rally in support of Israel, organized by AMCHA Dear Friend of Israel, As you know, the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, will be meeting with President Barack Obama on Monday, May 18th in the White House. We need your help and support. Please plan to join a rally in support of the State of Israel and Prime Minister Netanyahu across the street from the White House, rain or shine, at: Lafayette Park Washington, DC ? May 18, 2009 ? 10am-3pm Will not know time of the meeting until Friday. Please check back with us. Round trip transportation is available from New York and Riverdale. Charter buses will depart from: 79th and West End Avenue New York City and The Hebrew Institute of Riverdale Riverdale, New York Departing: 6 a.m. prompt Returning:? 8:00 p.m. If you would like to book a seat on a bus, and for all other inquiries please contact: Hillary Markowitz, AMCHA kensy7 at aol.com Rally in support of Israel! Rally for continued American support for the safety and security of Israel! Let the President hear our voices! With a new administration in Washington, now is the time to speak out for Israel. Show Prime Minister Netanyahu that Americans stand with Israel. WE STAND WITH ISRAEL. Prime Minister BIBI NETANYAHU needs to SEE each of us standing in front of the White House in support of an undivided Israel, and PRESIDENT OBAMA does too. THE SUPPORT OF AMERICAN JEWS HASN'T BEEN SO VITAL TO THE SURVIVAL OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL SINCE THE VERY FOUNDING OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL. ============================================= Women For Israel's Tomorrow? (Women in Green) POB 7352, Jerusalem 91072, Israel Tel: 972-2-624-9887 Fax: 972-2-624-5380 mailto:wfit2 at womeningreen.org http://www.womeningreen.org To subscribe to the Women in Green list, please send a blank email message to: list4-subscribe at womeningreen.org Check your spam filter for confirmation to reply to To unsubscribe from the Women in Green list, please send a blank email message to: list4-unsubscribe at womeningreen.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/fa5fdf66/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Fri May 15 07:24:19 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 05:24:19 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, a very sick joke... Message-ID: <855590370905150524i58300a09n8d3b4ef234589591@mail.gmail.com> Now this doesn't mean that they're going to take away poor, dead Arafat's Nobel Peace Prize, does it?!?!? What a sick joke the whole Oslo process has been..... *Hanoch* *U.S. Court: Arafat Responsible for Terrorist Murders *by Maayana Miskin [image: Arafat Found Guilty in Slaying] A United States court ruled Thursday evening that the Palestinian Authority must compensate the children of Yaron and Efrat Unger, who were murdered in a terrorist attack in 1996. *Former PA Chairman Yasser Arafat bore responsibility for the slayings, the court determined*. The court ruled that the couple's children should receive the $116 million that they were awarded in a previous verdict. Yaron, 26, and Efrat, 25, were shot and killed by a PA terrorist as they drove near the city of Beit Shemesh, southwest of Jerusalem and west of Gush Etzion. Their infant son was in the car but survived the attack. The couple was survived by their children Dvir and Yishai, who were two years old and nine months old respectively at the time that their parents were murdered. Yaron held U.S. citizenship, a fact that later allowed his family to seek damages for the killing. Dvir and Yishai filed suit five years ago under the Anti-Terrorism Act of 1991, which allows foreign terrorist groups to be sued for the deaths of U.S. citizens. The PA appealed, arguing that it was not responsible for the attack, which was carried out by a member of Hamas, and not of the ruling Fatah terrorist group led by Arafat. The Ungers argued that Arafat's PA provided a safe haven for Hamas and allowed terrorists unfettered license to attack Israeli civilians. Judge Ronald Lagueux blamed the PA's loss on Arafat's policies. ?These choices were the intentional, deliberate and binding decision made by the PA's dictatorial leader. Defendants must now accept the consequences of these decisions,? he wrote in his verdict. Arafat's policy of refusing to recognize the U.S. court system's authority played a large role in the verdict as well. When the Unger children first filed suit, the PA refused to give witness depositions or to share evidence with the Ungers' attorneys as it was required to do, leading to a default verdict in favor of the Ungers. PA attorneys later appealed, arguing that they had not understood the U.S. court system, but that argument was rejected. An Israeli court has ruled that the Unger children may take steps to force the PA to pay them if the U.S. court were to rule in their favor. A second defendant in the case, Hamas, has made no effort to defend itself. Comment on this story -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/5aef4f8d/attachment.html From beartrm at yahoo.com Fri May 15 09:13:49 2009 From: beartrm at yahoo.com (susan strickland) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] new comer] Message-ID: <225495.49160.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe,? Thank you for the words of encouragement and the awesome video.? I do believe it is time for us all to become watchmen as Eddie Chumney has been calling for now for a long time.? Susan --- On Fri, 5/15/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] new comer] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 12:00 AM Shalom Susan, May HaShem reinforce you in all ways. May He nourish you with the milk of Torah. He never abandoned you. What He commenced in you He will perfect. Keep praying for the Shalom of Yerushalayim. For her entire history, she has known nothing but war. The Shalom of Yerushalayim can only mean one thing ....... GEULAH - REDEMPTION. The Hebrew word Shalom comes from the root word Shalem which means complete or unified. In the story of Pinchas (Phineas) and his slaying of Zimri, the Nasi of the tribe of Shimon and Cozbi at the incident of Baal Peor, the Torah records the letter vav in Shalom as broken. This is done purposely to indicate that the unity of brotherhood was broken. Whilst having the zeal for HaShem and His honour in staving off the plague that was decimating the children of Yisrael, true unity could not be achieved through bloodshed. So the true Shalom can only come when the complete and unified "Shalem" has arrived. With the current movement of HaShem's Ruach ha Chodesh the time of redemption has arrived at our doorsteps. Keep praying Susan, your prayers will never be in vain. ???????????????????????????????? Isaiah Chapter 62 ?????????? ??????? ??? ????????, ????????? ???????????? ??? ?????????, ???-????? ????????? ????????, ????????????? ?????????? ???????. 1 For Zion's sake will I not hold My peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until her triumph go forth as brightness, and her salvation as a torch that burneth. ?????????? ?????? ????????, ?????-???????? ??????????; ??????? ???? ???? ??????, ?????? ???? ?????? ???????????. 2 And the nations shall see thy triumph, and all kings thy glory; and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall mark out. ??????????? ??????? ??????????, ??????-??????; ????? (????????) ????????, ??????-??????????. 3 Thou shalt also be a crown of beauty in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the open hand of thy God. ??????-??????? ???? ???? ????????, ???????????? ???-??????? ???? ????????--???? ???? ???????? ???????-????, ???????????? ?????????:? ????-????? ?????? ?????, ?????????? ?????????. 4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken, neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate; but thou shalt be called, My delight is in her, and thy land, Espoused; for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be espoused. ???????-??????? ??????? ?????????, ??????????? ?????????; ?????????? ????? ???-???????, ???????? ???????? ??????????. 5 For as a young man espouseth a virgin, so shall thy sons espouse thee; and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee. ??????-??????????? ????????????, ???????????? ?????????--????-??????? ?????-?????????? ???????, ??? ????????; ??????????????, ???-??????--???-??????, ?????. 6 I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, they shall never hold their peace day nor night: 'Ye that are the LORD'S remembrancers, take ye no rest, ????????-????????? ?????, ???:? ???-???????? ?????-??????? ???-????????????, ?????????--????????. 7 And give Him no rest, till He establish, and till He make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.' Please watch this video http://wejew.com/media/4269/Jerusalem-Truth-Amazing-Flash/ Shabbat Shalom JOE. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/44f55b6b/attachment.html From gets52000 at yahoo.com Fri May 15 12:09:47 2009 From: gets52000 at yahoo.com (susie getskow) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer Message-ID: <121168.58458.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> James, ? I thought your second interview got more to the heart of the matter of the Pope's visit and the differences of Christianity and Judaism. I especially started thinking about the point that you made about a group of Christians having dialogue with a Jew while the Jew was in the room and how that dialogue continued when the Jew left the room. The thought by Christians that the Jews must accept Jesus as their saviour or they are doomed to hell. I see this scenario a lot. I was wondering if this scenario happens on the flip side? Do Jews have dialogue with one another that Christians are doomed if they do believe that Jesus is Messiah? Is there a difference if a believer follows Torah? ? Susie --- On Wed, 5/13/09, James Tabor wrote: From: James Tabor Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:25 AM My second interview today with Tovia Singer will air at 4pm EST rather than 3pm/11pm Jerusalem time). We ended up pre-recording it due to some satellite transmission problems, but it should go on the air on time. We covered a wide range of topics but mostly the Pope's visit, Judaism, Christianity, Paul and the New Testament. I think it will prove to be an interesting show. If you can't listen live then you can download the program when it is posted in a day or so. Here is the link: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/ Once you go to that Web site you then choose "Radio" in the menu at the top and Tovia's show will begin at 3pm and go for two hours with my segments coming on at 4pm EST. Shalom, James Tabor _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/73ed96a0/attachment.html From injullee2002 at yahoo.com Fri May 15 12:40:09 2009 From: injullee2002 at yahoo.com (injullee2002) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Behar-Bechukosai.mp3 (audio/mpeg Object) Message-ID: <394100.28847.qm@web35507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ?Dear Joe, Toda Rava!??for this "Wonderful Shabbat Shalom gift".?? Have a Meaningful Shabat Shalom...????? ?Adayah --- On Fri, 5/15/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Dialogue] Behar-Bechukosai.mp3 (audio/mpeg Object) To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 1:02 AM Shabbat Shalom JOE. http://www.puresoulband.com/podcast/Behar-Bechukosai.mp3 -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/7f81cc7c/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Fri May 15 13:52:03 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer In-Reply-To: <121168.58458.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <264132.21548.qm@web82508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear James: ? I was able to listen to this second interview during my lunch period today. I am so overjoyed that this has all come about. You were brilliant and Tovia was quiet for most of the time which is unusual for him. I hope there will be more sequels on INR.This quite a phenomenon among the many others that Hashem is bringing about these days. ? Shabbat Shalom to all. ? Kind regards, ? Helen --- On Fri, 5/15/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: Re: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 1:09 PM James, ? I thought your second interview got more to the heart of the matter of the Pope's visit and the differences of Christianity and Judaism. I especially started thinking about the point that you made about a group of Christians having dialogue with a Jew while the Jew was in the room and how that dialogue continued when the Jew left the room. The thought by Christians that the Jews must accept Jesus as their saviour or they are doomed to hell. I see this scenario a lot. I was wondering if this scenario happens on the flip side? Do Jews have dialogue with one another that Christians are doomed if they do believe that Jesus is Messiah? Is there a difference if a believer follows Torah? ? Susie --- On Wed, 5/13/09, James Tabor wrote: From: James Tabor Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:25 AM My second interview today with Tovia Singer will air at 4pm EST rather than 3pm/11pm Jerusalem time). We ended up pre-recording it due to some satellite transmission problems, but it should go on the air on time. We covered a wide range of topics but mostly the Pope's visit, Judaism, Christianity, Paul and the New Testament. I think it will prove to be an interesting show. If you can't listen live then you can download the program when it is posted in a day or so. Here is the link: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/ Once you go to that Web site you then choose "Radio" in the menu at the top and Tovia's show will begin at 3pm and go for two hours with my segments coming on at 4pm EST. Shalom, James Tabor _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/2eb6226b/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Fri May 15 14:47:12 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:47:12 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer In-Reply-To: <121168.58458.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <121168.58458.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <855590370905151247w7954cbdcr75d6f322501fdfde@mail.gmail.com> Hi Susie - I don't want to jump ahead of James, since you asked him, but I just felt compelled to say something briefly. No, we Jews do not feel that Christians are 'doomed' if they believe that Jesus is the (or, will be..) the messiah. We have no concept of someone being 'doomed' if they merely observe the 7 Noahide laws. We have no concept of missing out on the "Rapture" as exists in Christianity. Or even of a 'hell' as exists for those that do not accept Jesus as their personal savior (according to Christian belief). By "believer" - I assume you mean someone with a belief in Jesus; I'll give James a chance to answer... Take care and Shabbat Shalom, * Hanoch* (A definite follower of Torah, without being a "believer") On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, susie getskow wrote: > James, > > I thought your second interview got more to the heart of the matter of the > Pope's visit and the differences of Christianity and Judaism. > I especially started thinking about the point that you made about a group > of Christians having dialogue with a Jew while the Jew was in the room and > how that dialogue continued when the Jew left the room. The thought by > Christians that the Jews must accept Jesus as their saviour or they are > doomed to hell. I see this scenario a lot. I was wondering if this scenario > happens on the flip side? Do Jews have dialogue with one another that > Christians are doomed if they do believe that Jesus is Messiah? Is there a > difference if a believer follows Torah? > > Susie > > --- On *Wed, 5/13/09, James Tabor * wrote: > > > From: James Tabor > Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:25 AM > > > My second interview today with Tovia Singer will air at 4pm EST rather than > 3pm/11pm Jerusalem time). We ended up pre-recording it due to some satellite > transmission problems, but it should go on the air on time. We covered a > wide range of topics but mostly the Pope's visit, Judaism, Christianity, > Paul and the New Testament. I think it will prove to be an interesting show. > If you can't listen live then you can download the program when it is posted > in a day or so. > > Here is the link: > > http://www.israelnationalnews.com/ > > Once you go to that Web site you then choose "Radio" in the menu at the top > and Tovia's show will begin at 3pm and go for two hours with my segments > coming on at 4pm EST. > > Shalom, > > James Tabor > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My son tries to get me out at times and enjoy some good clean culture:) I am listening to him play live on this beautiful Sabbath at a very nice coffee shop here in Saint Francisville called the Birdman Cafe. Shabbat Shalom! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090515/34d5918f/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Fri May 15 20:26:47 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Dylan Sneed Message-ID: <118994.14662.qm@web58506.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Ross, I love it! Thanks for sharing it and it is amazing what our children can share with us old folks. ? Margie --- On Fri, 5/15/09, rndavar at aol.com wrote: From: rndavar at aol.com Subject: [Dialogue] Dylan Sneed To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 7:50 PM My son (Ty) introduced me to an incredible singer, song writer and musician. His name is Dylan Sneed. John Carlson has heard him perform as well. I realize that musical tastes are different, but some of you may like his style. Check out his website. www.dylansneed.com You can listen to some of his songs on this site. What can I say?? I'm a fan. I always prepare my class on Friday nights and so I am sitting here, drinking coffee, laptop out and Bible on the table. I will write more on this later. My son tries to get me out at times and enjoy some good clean culture:) I am listening to him play live on this beautiful Sabbath at a very nice coffee shop here in Saint Francisville called the Birdman Cafe. Shabbat Shalom! An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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From: injullee2002 Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Behar-Bechukosai.mp3 (audio/mpeg Object) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Size: 6983 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090516/9ef891b6/attachment.eml From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sat May 16 06:50:26 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 07:50:26 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Dylan Sneed In-Reply-To: <8CBA3D76FC33CE3-130C-171D@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBA3D76FC33CE3-130C-171D@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Glad to hear you are doing this tonight. Shabbat means "stop." I am listening and as you could guess I love this type of music and style. I consider it prophetic, like many of the songs that Lori put together on that CD two years ago for the UIWU meeting here, remember. These kinds of artists are touched by visions of "man, and God, and law, and love" as Dylan puts it. Thanks and Shabbat Shalom! James On May 15, 2009, at 8:50 PM, rndavar at aol.com wrote: > My son (Ty) introduced me to an incredible singer, song writer and > musician. His name is Dylan Sneed. John Carlson has heard him > perform as well. I realize that musical tastes are different, but > some of you may like his style. Check out his website. > > www.dylansneed.com > > You can listen to some of his songs on this site. What can I say? > I'm a fan. I always prepare my class on Friday nights and so I am > sitting here, drinking coffee, laptop out and Bible on the table. > > I will write more on this later. My son tries to get me out at times > and enjoy some good clean culture:) > > I am listening to him play live on this beautiful Sabbath at a very > nice coffee shop here in Saint Francisville called the Birdman Cafe. > > Shabbat Shalom! > > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090516/8e283708/attachment.html From RNDAVAR at aol.com Sat May 16 06:56:57 2009 From: RNDAVAR at aol.com (RNDAVAR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 07:56:57 EDT Subject: [Dialogue] Shabbat Service Message-ID: Good morning all - Shabbat Shalom! I have looked forward all week to the Sabbath and to our time together in the synagogue. Today I will be teaching on two Torah readings (Be-har and Be-chukkotai). These two readings mark the end of our time in Vayikra (Leviticus). Interesting texts today! I will be teaching on the Sabbatical Year, the Jubilee - or yovel in Hebrew, as well as a few other points. I learned a good deal this week in my studies and hope that you can join us so I can share these things with you. I also have a few things to spark some debate:) - like this point: Guess who believes in the re-distribution of wealth? Some of you may be thinking of any number of people in Washington. I was thinking of heaven! If that makes your blood boil, then listen in. Like it or not, some of you will be forced to think differently after today's torah reading. I also have as a guest today, Joe and Debbie Good. Joe is coming in, but I told him he couldn't teach. Is that wrong?:) Sorry, but I missed last week. He understood. So here is what you get if you tune in: I will teach on the Torah and prophets. The congregation will read through the weekly readings together - Joe Good will facilitate a dialogue about the things we read (and if I know him, will probably use this time to teach a bit). I hope you can join in. Shalom, Ross Ross K. Nichols _www.RootsofFaith.org_ (http://www.rootsoffaith.org/) **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377005x1201454319/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=May Excfooter51609NO62) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090516/4f8c8452/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sat May 16 07:32:19 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:32:19 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Sabbath Morning Things Message-ID: I am home this weekend, which is rare for me. I am really looking forward to today, literally "stopping" and having time to study and sort through things in meditation. I plan to listen in to the Temple Sinai services today and I hope all of you who can will join Ross as he teaches. I was just thinking, what a miracle of miracles that we can connect like this, over thousands of miles, and even Continents, on Shabbat. Ross just told me that his downloads of the various podcasts and teachings on his Web site has just reached the 100,000 mark! Can you believe that? A few years ago when we were not using the Internet our contacts were mostly limited to mailing out the UI Bulletin to about 1000 people. Today's double Torah reading is truly amazing. I might have some of my own thoughts to share later today. Shabbat Shalom to all, James/Yaaqov From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sat May 16 07:55:31 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:55:31 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer In-Reply-To: <855590370905151247w7954cbdcr75d6f322501fdfde@mail.gmail.com> References: <121168.58458.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <855590370905151247w7954cbdcr75d6f322501fdfde@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23822D84-1E16-405F-9770-71B49CEE7498@earthlink.net> Judaism tends lack dogmatic positions on many things, even when it comes to the matter of "Christology." Although Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah since he did not fulfill the messianic tasks, the rabbis differ on whether the idea of the "Trinity" is idolatry, since the classic doctrines tries to preserve the notion of the "One God," even if manifested as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Other rabbis, the majority I think, would say it is outright idolatry to make a man God, bow to any man, or worship a man as a heavenly being. So I think you can generalize and say that "Judaism" in general finds Christianity a form of idolatry, but different in a subtle way from classic "pagan" idolatry, in that Jesus was Jewish and likely never affirmed himself any of the things Christians later said about him. That said, Hanoch is certainly right, there is no well developed categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism. The Hebrew Bible itself is silent on such things. The dead go to Sheol, the spirit returns to God who gave it, and God is a just judge. It is amazing how silent the Torah is on matters "above and below." As Moses said about the Torah, it is not in heaven, it is not below, it is here and now. The details are left to the future. It is not a "save or lost" kind of religion, but more one that asks how then should we live? What are we doing in terms of justice and righteousness to fix the world? Shabbat Shalom! James On May 15, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Hanoch Young wrote: > Hi Susie - > > I don't want to jump ahead of James, since you asked him, but I > just felt compelled to say something briefly. No, we Jews do not > feel that Christians are 'doomed' if they believe that Jesus is the > (or, will be..) the messiah. We have no concept of someone being > 'doomed' if they merely observe the 7 Noahide laws. We have no > concept of missing out on the "Rapture" as exists in Christianity. > Or even of a 'hell' as exists for those that do not accept Jesus as > their personal savior (according to Christian belief). > > By "believer" - I assume you mean someone with a belief in > Jesus; I'll give James a chance to answer... > > Take care and Shabbat Shalom, > Hanoch > (A definite follower of Torah, without being a "believer") > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, susie getskow > wrote: > James, > > I thought your second interview got more to the heart of the matter > of the Pope's visit and the differences of Christianity and Judaism. > I especially started thinking about the point that you made about a > group of Christians having dialogue with a Jew while the Jew was in > the room and how that dialogue continued when the Jew left the room. > The thought by Christians that the Jews must accept Jesus as their > saviour or they are doomed to hell. I see this scenario a lot. I was > wondering if this scenario happens on the flip side? Do Jews have > dialogue with one another that Christians are doomed if they do > believe that Jesus is Messiah? Is there a difference if a believer > follows Torah? > > Susie > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, James Tabor wrote: > > From: James Tabor > Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:25 AM > > > My second interview today with Tovia Singer will air at 4pm EST > rather than 3pm/11pm Jerusalem time). We ended up pre-recording it > due to some satellite transmission problems, but it should go on the > air on time. We covered a wide range of topics but mostly the Pope's > visit, Judaism, Christianity, Paul and the New Testament. I think it > will prove to be an interesting show. If you can't listen live then > you can download the program when it is posted in a day or so. > > Here is the link: > > http://www.israelnationalnews.com/ > > Once you go to that Web site you then choose "Radio" in the menu at > the top and Tovia's show will begin at 3pm and go for two hours with > my segments coming on at 4pm EST. > > Shalom, > > James Tabor > > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090516/eac1fb56/attachment.html From beartrm at yahoo.com Sat May 16 13:39:36 2009 From: beartrm at yahoo.com (susan strickland) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Dylan Sneed Message-ID: <569404.6243.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am listening even now to some of Dylan's songs on the internet.? He is great.? I had my son listen to What I Thought and he ran out to see if he could find it.? If not I will order him one tomorrow on the net,? Thanks again for sharing about Dylan Sneed. Susan --- On Sat, 5/16/09, James Tabor wrote: From: James Tabor Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Dylan Sneed To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 6:50 AM Glad to hear you are doing this tonight. Shabbat means "stop." I am listening and as you could guess I love this type of music and style. I consider it prophetic, like many of the songs that Lori put together on that CD two years ago for the UIWU meeting here, remember. These kinds of artists are touched by visions of "man, and God, and law, and love" as Dylan puts it. Thanks and Shabbat Shalom! James On May 15, 2009, at 8:50 PM, rndavar at aol.com wrote: My son (Ty) introduced me to an incredible singer, song writer and musician. His name is Dylan Sneed. John Carlson has heard him perform as well. I realize that musical tastes are different, but some of you may like his style. Check out his website. www.dylansneed.com You can listen to some of his songs on this site. What can I say?? I'm a fan. I always prepare my class on Friday nights and so I am sitting here, drinking coffee, laptop out and Bible on the table. I will write more on this later. My son tries to get me out at times and enjoy some good clean culture:) I am listening to him play live on this beautiful Sabbath at a very nice coffee shop here in Saint Francisville called the Birdman Cafe. Shabbat Shalom! An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090516/b9b28d5e/attachment.html From stephen at 777jesusislord.com Sat May 16 13:44:38 2009 From: stephen at 777jesusislord.com (stephen) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:44:38 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism References: <4A0EF12E.B1C25.7E1@pop.directnic.com> Message-ID: James, Where do you see Daniel 12:2 in the below discussion? And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Stephen That said, Hanoch is certainly right, there is no well developed categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism. The Hebrew Bible itself is silent on such things. The dead go to Sheol, the spirit returns to God who gave it, and God is a just judge. It is amazing how silent the Torah is on matters "above and below." As Moses said about the Torah, it is not in heaven, it is not below, it is here and now. The details are left to the future. It is not a "save or lost" kind of religion, but more one that asks how then should we live? What are we doing in terms of justice and righteousness to fix the world? Shabbat Shalom! James " From dhcole1 at cox.net Sat May 16 18:10:07 2009 From: dhcole1 at cox.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 18:10:07 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] internet feed Message-ID: <6F31AF90FDBE4D38BEE21C124AC4C291@davesbook> Hey all, I just discovered something about the software we are using to do the live video broadcast! One question that was asked during this mornings session was...."how can I get the chat screen off of the video screen". At first I thought it was a setting that was easily fixed, and did not give this much thought! BUT, upon checking this out later found that if you join us through the SWW's site then the player that you are using in fact will not do chat and view video on separate screens (the chat is imposed over the video), and that is not good! Although we would rather have viewers use the SWW site to tune in, until we can resolve this quirk, the solution is to go to this link www.mogulus.com/rootsoffaith and there you can participate using the chat function that is beside the main screen. This morning we had a "around the table" discussion during dialogue, we feel this is a step forward to include those tuning in live. Next week I will have the text (chat) set up on a bigger monitor so that all of us during dialogue can each see the text. This will enable us/you to be able to chime in and offer comments live, and at the same time free me up from a moderator/middle man position:~).... We are also working on a call in function for the future and in fact as those that were tuning in witnessed, we had a short call from one of the online veiwers that we were able to patch in live! dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090516/ad15cf88/attachment.html From jid at westnet.com.au Sat May 16 20:25:19 2009 From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:25:19 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. Message-ID: <4A0F677F.8020309@westnet.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/12e5dd63/attachment.html From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Sat May 16 20:37:51 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:37:51 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. References: <4A0F677F.8020309@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <18FC733D3194467B815CA6A7FBC4E08C@pamelahome> Will do Joe, Shavua Tov, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: JOE INDOMENICO To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. Shavua Tov Chaverim, I have just put the phone down after speaking to Jessica. Things are not all that well for her and her family. Due to the personal nature of the problems I am not privy to share them at this time. However I do humbly request your prayers during this very sensitive time. Many of you may not know Jessica. She was a member of the dialogue group until she asked for leave to attend her ailing and dying mother,Margaret. Margaret passed away last Motzei Shabbat. Since then a whole myriad of issues have surfaced. Please hold her up in your prayers. She is a remarkable woman who has endured so much tragedy in her life. My apologies Adayah. I am not in the right spirit to share about the Yovel at this point in time. I hope you understand. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/59df7c5d/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Sat May 16 20:50:15 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 18:50:15 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. In-Reply-To: <4A0F677F.8020309@westnet.com.au> References: <4A0F677F.8020309@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <855590370905161850x63f3a3d4w995cdbbd63d741b6@mail.gmail.com> Jessica is in my heart and prayers; May HaShem care for her... Hanoch On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 6:25 PM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > *Shavua Tov Chaverim, > > I have just put the phone down after speaking to Jessica. > Things are not all that well for her and her family. > Due to the personal nature of the problems I am not privy to share them at > this time. > > However I do humbly request your prayers during this very sensitive time. > Many of you may not know Jessica. She was a member of the dialogue group > until she asked for leave to attend her ailing and dying mother,Margaret. > Margaret passed away last Motzei Shabbat. > Since then a whole myriad of issues have surfaced. > > Please hold her up in your prayers. > She is a remarkable woman who has endured so much tragedy in her life. > > My apologies Adayah. I am not in the right spirit to share about the Yovel > at this point in time. > I hope you understand. > > Shalom v'Ahavah > JOE. > * > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090516/764eb829/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Sat May 16 21:09:51 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. In-Reply-To: <4A0F677F.8020309@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <158630.93381.qm@web82508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ? ? Dear Joe: ? Jessica and her family are in my prayers. ? Shalom, ? Helen ? --- On Sat, 5/16/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:25 PM Shavua Tov Chaverim, I have just put the phone down after speaking to Jessica. Things are not all that well for her and her family. Due to the personal nature of the problems I am not privy to share them at this time. However I do humbly request your prayers during this very sensitive time. Many of you may not know Jessica. She was a member of the dialogue group until she asked for leave to attend her ailing and? dying mother,Margaret. Margaret passed away last Motzei Shabbat. Since then a whole myriad of issues have surfaced. Please hold her up in your prayers. She is a remarkable woman who has endured so much tragedy in her life. My apologies Adayah. I am not in the right spirit to share about the Yovel at this point in time. I hope you understand. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Due to the personal nature of the problems I am not privy to share them at this time. However I do humbly request your prayers during this very sensitive time. Many of you may not know Jessica. She was a member of the dialogue group until she asked for leave to attend her ailing and dying mother,Margaret. Margaret passed away last Motzei Shabbat. Since then a whole myriad of issues have surfaced. Please hold her up in your prayers. She is a remarkable woman who has endured so much tragedy in her life. My apologies Adayah. I am not in the right spirit to share about the Yovel at this point in time. I hope you understand. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. _______________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jessica. > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:25 PM > > > *Shavua Tov Chaverim, > > I have just put the phone down after speaking to Jessica. > Things are not all that well for her and her family. > Due to the personal nature of the problems I am not privy to share them at > this time. > > However I do humbly request your prayers during this very sensitive time. > Many of you may not know Jessica. She was a member of the dialogue group > until she asked for leave to attend her ailing and dying mother,Margaret. > Margaret passed away last Motzei Shabbat. > Since then a whole myriad of issues have surfaced. > > Please hold her up in your prayers. > She is a remarkable woman who has endured so much tragedy in her life. > > My apologies Adayah. I am not in the right spirit to share about the Yovel > at this point in time. > I hope you understand. > > Shalom v'Ahavah > JOE. > * > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090516/9eb76035/attachment.html From injullee2002 at yahoo.com Sun May 17 00:05:05 2009 From: injullee2002 at yahoo.com (injullee2002) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. Message-ID: <651692.47105.qm@web35505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ?Shavua Tov?Joe, ?Jessica.. her Family are in my prayer.? ?and I Understand... ????????????????????????? Adayah --- On Sat, 5/16/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:25 PM Shavua Tov Chaverim, I have just put the phone down after speaking to Jessica. Things are not all that well for her and her family. Due to the personal nature of the problems I am not privy to share them at this time. However I do humbly request your prayers during this very sensitive time. Many of you may not know Jessica. She was a member of the dialogue group until she asked for leave to attend her ailing and? dying mother,Margaret. Margaret passed away last Motzei Shabbat. Since then a whole myriad of issues have surfaced. Please hold her up in your prayers. She is a remarkable woman who has endured so much tragedy in her life. My apologies Adayah. I am not in the right spirit to share about the Yovel at this point in time. I hope you understand. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090516/15f17171/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sun May 17 00:25:50 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 01:25:50 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism In-Reply-To: References: <4A0EF12E.B1C25.7E1@pop.directnic.com> Message-ID: <658DBF50-536C-4D1D-8819-4A7F44300BBB@earthlink.net> Thanks for your question Stephen. Daniel 12:2 is absolutely fascinating as it is the single text in the entire Tanakh that clearly and without ambiguity speaks of "resurrection of the dead." Isaiah 26: 17-19 is another possible passage but as you know, the translation, not to mention the contextual interpretation, is exceedingly difficult. By the time we get into the later 2nd Temple period various groups within Judaism had begun the debate on "death and afterlife." I have an article on my university Web site that goes through some of this, see http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/jdtabor/future.html This makes the Daniel passage all the more singular and important and for this and related reasons the Scribes did not include Daniel among the Prophets, but grouped it with the Writings. That alone I think should get our attention in terms of where our emphasis should be placed when it comes to Biblical faith. I do indeed believe that "death is not the end," and there will be some kind of "resurrection" of "many" who sleep in the dust, but since the details are not really laid out, and the Tanakh is otherwise silent, I am concerned not to fall into the trap of majoring on minors and minoring on majors. To the Torah and the Testimony--this to me is fundamental, and where we must begin. I realize that many on the Dialogue list, and with the SWW, accept the developments reflected in the N.T. regarding death, afterlife, and the future. I do not share that faith and have tried to "bracket" such things as interesting but not central, just as one might derive insights from the Dead Sea Scrolls or one of the other books of the so- called Pseudepigrapha (Jubilees, Enoch, et al.). As an historian these are vital to me, but in terms of Abrahamic Faith they go far, far, beyond "what is written." I hope this helps. Let's discuss it more face to face at the next opportunity. Best to you and your family, James On May 16, 2009, at 2:44 PM, stephen wrote: > James, > > Where do you see Daniel 12:2 in the below discussion? > > And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, > some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. > > Stephen > > That said, Hanoch is certainly right, there is no well developed > categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism. The Hebrew > Bible itself is silent on such things. The dead go to Sheol, the > spirit returns to God who gave it, and God is a just judge. It is > amazing how silent the Torah is on matters "above and below." As > Moses said about the Torah, it is not in heaven, it is not below, > it is here and now. The details are left to the future. It is not a > "save or lost" kind of religion, but more one that asks how then > should we live? What are we doing in terms of justice and > righteousness to fix the world? > Shabbat Shalom! > > James > > > " _______________________________________________ From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sun May 17 00:41:26 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 01:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer In-Reply-To: <264132.21548.qm@web82508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <264132.21548.qm@web82508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Helen. Yes, I think these programs are proving to be a help to quite a few people. I also think Tovia and I will likely team up in other ways in the future, so this is likely just a beginning. James On May 15, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Helen Lusk wrote: > Dear James: > > I was able to listen to this second interview during my lunch period > today. I am so overjoyed that this has all come about. You were > brilliant and Tovia was quiet for most of the time which is unusual > for him. I hope there will be more sequels on INR.This quite a > phenomenon among the many others that Hashem is bringing about these > days. > > Shabbat Shalom to all. > > Kind regards, > > Helen > > --- On Fri, 5/15/09, susie getskow wrote: > From: susie getskow > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 1:09 PM > > James, > > I thought your second interview got more to the heart of the matter > of the Pope's visit and the differences of Christianity and Judaism. > I especially started thinking about the point that you made about a > group of Christians having dialogue with a Jew while the Jew was in > the room and how that dialogue continued when the Jew left the room. > The thought by Christians that the Jews must accept Jesus as their > saviour or they are doomed to hell. I see this scenario a lot. I was > wondering if this scenario happens on the flip side? Do Jews have > dialogue with one another that Christians are doomed if they do > believe that Jesus is Messiah? Is there a difference if a believer > follows Torah? > > Susie > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, James Tabor wrote: > > From: James Tabor > Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:25 AM > > > My second interview today with Tovia Singer will air at 4pm EST > rather than 3pm/11pm Jerusalem time). We ended up pre-recording it > due to some satellite transmission problems, but it should go on the > air on time. We covered a wide range of topics but mostly the Pope's > visit, Judaism, Christianity, Paul and the New Testament. I think it > will prove to be an interesting show. If you can't listen live then > you can download the program when it is posted in a day or so. > > Here is the link: > > http://www.israelnationalnews.com/ > > Once you go to that Web site you then choose "Radio" in the menu at > the top and Tovia's show will begin at 3pm and go for two hours with > my segments coming on at 4pm EST. > > Shalom, > > James Tabor > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/48ff2578/attachment.html From jid at westnet.com.au Sun May 17 08:53:12 2009 From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 23:53:12 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. Message-ID: <4A1016C8.5050905@westnet.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/a59cb06b/attachment.html From jid at westnet.com.au Sun May 17 08:54:04 2009 From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 23:54:04 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Shabbat Meditations. Haftarah Behar. Message-ID: <4A1016FC.5070706@westnet.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/b74d6698/attachment.html From jid at westnet.com.au Sun May 17 09:16:58 2009 From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 00:16:58 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Christian persecution by Islam. Message-ID: <4A101C5A.5000900@westnet.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/35947893/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Sun May 17 09:19:32 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:19:32 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer In-Reply-To: References: <264132.21548.qm@web82508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: James, I finally got to hear the second interview as well, and am so excited about it! WE ARE MOVING FORWARD!!!! The thought of you and Tovia teaming up in the future is a dream come true! I'm so thankful and full of good expectations for the future, I can hardly stand it!!!!!! MAY THE TRUTH AND THE NAME OF THE ONE G-D OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB BE GLORIFIED THROUGHOUT THE EARTH!!!!!!!! ALL PRAISE AND GLORY TO HASHEM!!! The LIGHT is DAWNING!!!!! Avigail/Pat From: James Tabor Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:41 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer Thanks Helen. Yes, I think these programs are proving to be a help to quite a few people. I also think Tovia and I will likely team up in other ways in the future, so this is likely just a beginning. James On May 15, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Helen Lusk wrote: Dear James: I was able to listen to this second interview during my lunch period today. I am so overjoyed that this has all come about. You were brilliant and Tovia was quiet for most of the time which is unusual for him. I hope there will be more sequels on INR.This quite a phenomenon among the many others that Hashem is bringing about these days. Shabbat Shalom to all. Kind regards, Helen --- On Fri, 5/15/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: Re: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 1:09 PM James, I thought your second interview got more to the heart of the matter of the Pope's visit and the differences of Christianity and Judaism. I especially started thinking about the point that you made about a group of Christians having dialogue with a Jew while the Jew was in the room and how that dialogue continued when the Jew left the room. The thought by Christians that the Jews must accept Jesus as their saviour or they are doomed to hell. I see this scenario a lot. I was wondering if this scenario happens on the flip side? Do Jews have dialogue with one another that Christians are doomed if they do believe that Jesus is Messiah? Is there a difference if a believer follows Torah? Susie --- On Wed, 5/13/09, James Tabor wrote: From: James Tabor Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:25 AM My second interview today with Tovia Singer will air at 4pm EST rather than 3pm/11pm Jerusalem time). We ended up pre-recording it due to some satellite transmission problems, but it should go on the air on time. We covered a wide range of topics but mostly the Pope's visit, Judaism, Christianity, Paul and the New Testament. I think it will prove to be an interesting show. If you can't listen live then you can download the program when it is posted in a day or so. Here is the link: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/ Once you go to that Web site you then choose "Radio" in the menu at the top and Tovia's show will begin at 3pm and go for two hours with my segments coming on at 4pm EST. Shalom, James Tabor _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/774474c1/attachment.html From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Sun May 17 09:25:56 2009 From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 07:25:56 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. In-Reply-To: <4A1016C8.5050905@westnet.com.au> References: <4A1016C8.5050905@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <200905171425.n4HEPdYj032480@mail385c25.carrierzone.com> You got it Joe, for Jessica Steve At 06:53 AM 5/17/2009, you wrote: >Shalom all my beloved chaverim, > >I am touched by all your prayers and heart felt concern for Jessica. > >Unfortunately her family predicament is extremely serious at this juncture. > >I would like to add that the content of your prayers should focus on >HaShem's sovereign Will be done. > >Thank you all again from the bottom of my heart. > >Shalom v'Ahavah >JOE. > >_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/437bbf1d/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Sun May 17 09:28:29 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 07:28:29 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. In-Reply-To: <200905171425.n4HEPdYj032480@mail385c25.carrierzone.com> References: <4A1016C8.5050905@westnet.com.au> <200905171425.n4HEPdYj032480@mail385c25.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <855590370905170728t233ec96tee071e67c9d911f5@mail.gmail.com> Me as well.... * Hanoch * On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Steve Mathe wrote: > > > > You got it Joe, for Jessica > > Steve > At 06:53 AM 5/17/2009, you wrote: > > *Shalom all my beloved chaverim, > > I am touched by all your prayers and heart felt concern for Jessica. > > Unfortunately her family predicament is extremely serious at this juncture. > > I would like to add that the content of your prayers should focus on > HaShem's sovereign Will be done. > > Thank you all again from the bottom of my heart. > > Shalom v'Ahavah > JOE. > > *_______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Much love, Avigail/Pat From: injullee2002 Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:05 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. Shavua Tov Joe, Jessica.. her Family are in my prayer. and I Understand... Adayah --- On Sat, 5/16/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:25 PM Shavua Tov Chaverim, I have just put the phone down after speaking to Jessica. Things are not all that well for her and her family. Due to the personal nature of the problems I am not privy to share them at this time. However I do humbly request your prayers during this very sensitive time. Many of you may not know Jessica. She was a member of the dialogue group until she asked for leave to attend her ailing and dying mother,Margaret. Margaret passed away last Motzei Shabbat. Since then a whole myriad of issues have surfaced. Please hold her up in your prayers. She is a remarkable woman who has endured so much tragedy in her life. My apologies Adayah. I am not in the right spirit to share about the Yovel at this point in time. I hope you understand. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/87770f84/attachment.html From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Sun May 17 10:30:13 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:30:13 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Shabbat Meditations. Haftarah Behar. In-Reply-To: <4A1016FC.5070706@westnet.com.au> References: <4A1016FC.5070706@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: Thank you, Joe! This was terrific!!!! Avigail From: JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:54 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Shabbat Meditations. Haftarah Behar. Shavua Tov Chaverim, Haftarah Behar , similar to the Parashat deals with the laws of buying and selling property and the right of redemption during the Yovel or Jubilee. According to the Sages, both Parashat and the Haftarah contain parallel hints to the final redemption. The Babylonian army is encamped outside the gates of Yerushalayim. Yirmiyahu is thrown into the yard of the prison after having prophesied the impending doom of the city. Whilst in prison the prophecy that serves as the basis of this Haftarah is received by Yirmiyahu. ? ?????? ?????????, ????-??????? ???????, ???? ???????, ??????: ????? ????, ???-?????? ?????? ???????????--???? ???? ????????? ???????????, ????????. 7 Behold, Chanamel, the son of Shallum thine uncle, shall come unto thee, saying: Buy thee my field that is in Anathoth; for the right of redemption is thine to buy it.' Jer 32 v 7 Yirmiyahu's cousin Chanamel was compelled to sell his field in Anatot due to financial problems. According to the Torah, it is a mitzva for the closest relative to buy the field or if sold to a stranger , to redeem it by buying it back in order to ensure that fields would always remain in the possession of the original tribal clan. Who was Chanamel's father Shallum ? The Midrash elaborates: Some time after the prophet Elisha's death, there was a funeral in the cemetery where he was buried. As the procession passed his grave , the participants noticed troops of the Aramian enemy approaching. In a panic, the Jews flung the dead body into the still open grave and escaped as fast as they could. As soon as the corpse touched Elisha's bones, a miracle occurred. He was revived. He got up and walked home. Who was this man who merited to experience resurrection ? According to one opinion it was the Tzaddik and prophet, Shallum ben Tikva. After his revival , he fathered Chanamel, who also became a prophet. Shallum named his son Chanamel to allude to the fact that G-d had graciously redeemed him, the father, from death (Chanano Kail.) Pirkai D'R. Eliezer ch 3. Yirmiyahu then describes the purchase of the field. It was not a mere formality, but rather a perfectly legal sale with many intricate details. The act may have seemed absurd at the time. Not only was he a prisoner at the time , but the city had been under heavy siege and was about to fall into enemy hands. What use could Yirmiyahu have for a field in Anatot? It was highly unlikely that would ever get to see the field, much less cultivate it. However , he unquestionably obeyed the will of HaShem. Let us skip the details of the sale but in verse 12 something unusual is noted. ?? ???????? ???-???????? ??????????, ???-???????? ????-???????? ????-?????????, ???????? ????????? ??????, ?????????? ???????? ??????????? ???????? ??????????--????????, ????-????????????, ????????????, ???????? ???????????. 12 and I delivered the deed of the purchase unto Baruch the son of Neriah, the son of Mahseiah, in the presence of Chanamel mine uncle['s son], and in the presence of the witnesses that subscribed the deed of the purchase, before all the Jews that sat in the court of the guard. It is interesting that in this verse, Chanamel is not called "ben dodi"- cousin, but "dodi"- uncle. Please take note that the English translation puts the word - son , in brackets. We will get to this later. In verse 17 Yirmiyahu begins to pray to HaShem. Again something unusual is noted in verse 18. ?? ?????? ?????, ??????????, ??????????? ?????? ??????, ???-???? ????????? ??????????: ????? ????????? ??????????, ?????? ???????? ??????. 18 who showest mercy unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them; the great, the mighty God, the LORD of hosts is His name; In Deuteronomy 10 v17, HaShem is described as "the Great, mighty, and fearsome G-d" -( hakail hagadol hagibor vehanora ). This is the exact wording in the daily Shemone Esrei prayer. Why did Yirmiyahu omit the attribute hanora / fearsome ? The Sages explain in the Midrash. In the Torah, Moshe praised HaShem with three attributes: a.. Hagadol / The great One, for His greatness is apparent from the creation of the universe. b.. Hagibor. c.. Vehanora / The strong and fearsome One, for Moshe's generation witnessed His might and awesomeness when He brought the plagues upon Egypt, defeated the mighty kings Sichon and Og and performed miracles for the Israelites in the wilderness. Yirmiyahu , in this Haftarah, omitted the attribute Hanora - "The fearsome One." Why ? He foretold and later personally witnessed the destruction of the Temple. He therefore could not wholeheartedly proclaim that G-d was fearsome. Rather than express this word of praise insincerely , Yirmiyahu elected to omit it. Daniel, the prophet omitted the attribute Hagibor, that G-d manifests His strength by overcoming the Jewish people's enemies. He felt he might lack sincerity , seeing that Bnai Yisrael were exiled in Bavel. Yirmiyahu, however, did describe G-d as Hagibor - "the strong One," since he lived before the exile period. Likewise, Daniel praised G-d as Hanora - "the awesome One," because he had personally witnessed the fearful desecration of G-d's name when the Temple was destroyed. After Bnai Yisrael survived seventy years of Babylonian exile and certainly later when they were saved from the terrible decree of Haman, the Men of the Great Assembly declared, "G-d is Hagibor -the strong One," for controlling His anger and allowing wicked people to afflict the Jews , like a father who controls himself and allows his son to undergo a painful operation in order to save his life. He is also Hanora -"the fearsome One," for continually performing the miracle of preserving His people, a sheep among seventy wolves. Hence, the Men of the Great Assembly ordained that we are to use all three attributes in the daily prayers. Finally let us go back to Chanamel. The cousin- ben dodi of Yirmiyahu in verse 12 is called uncle - dodi. What is the significance of these terms ? The Midrash expounds : The verses of Parashat Behar which deal with the Mitzva of redeeming an Israelite who was sold as a slave to a non-Jew, allude to the ultimate redemption of the entire Israelite nation. In Leviticus 25 v 48 it states, "Either his 'dod' or his 'ben dod' shall redeem him." An alternative meaning for 'dod' is "beloved" On a profound level , the "dod" is none other than the Almighty. The 'ben dod" is Mashiach, of whom it says "Today, I, HaShem, have fathered you ( meaning : You are as dear to me Me as a son)" Yirmiyahu thus received a message concerning Bnai Yisrael's ultimate redemption before they were even led into their first exile. HaShem hoped, as it were, that the return from Bavel would be the final redemption. This is hinted at in the words "ben dodi" and "dodi" in the Haftarah. Yirmiyahu was the one who repeatedly predicted the future destruction of the Temple and most of his prophecies foretold the doom of the Jewish Kingdom . HaShem therefore said, "It is proper that you should be the one to perform a concrete act confirming the future redemption of Bnai Yisrael." Thus HaShem showed Yirmiyahu that He had prepared "the antidote before the disease"-- before Bnai Yisrael were led to exile , the seed for their final dedemption had already been sown. The Sages assure us that the Heavenly plan arranges this for the nation in every dark and bitter situation, and likewise in our individual lives. We may not be aware of it at the time, but the kernel of comfort and healing is always planted by HaShem even before He administers punishment. Sorry for the long post but there is one final thing that I discussed with the Rabbi on Shabbat. ?? ?????????? ??????????? ??????, ?????-???????? ????????? ??????? (?????????????) ???-???????--??? ????-?????? ????????? ????? ?????????, ??? ??????; ?????????? ?????, ??? ????-??????? ???????. 23 and they came in, and possessed it; but they hearkened not to Thy voice, neither walked in Thy law; they have done nothing of all that Thou commandedst them to do; therefore Thou hast caused all this evil to befall them; The word "Torah" in the above verse is a keri u kesiv. The written form (kesiv) is "Torot," in the plural, to hint that there are two Torahs, the Written and the Oral . The pronounced form (keri) is "Torah" in the singular , for in reality the two Torahs are inseparable and therefore one. You will notice the repetition in the Hebrew in brackets. Some Hebrew texts will show the repetition in bold and lower case. I forgot to ask him how it appears on the scroll. Notwithstanding, still a very interesting point. Laila Tov. JOE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/ed3dc3bd/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Sun May 17 12:08:46 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:08:46 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. In-Reply-To: <4A1016C8.5050905@westnet.com.au> References: <4A1016C8.5050905@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <4A10449E.9040603@gninc.ca> Shalom Joe May Hasem have His way with Jessica, not knowing the predicament she is in, but for all of us, emunah being built up is the answer. I am praying for her. Cornie JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > /Shalom all my beloved chaverim, > > I am touched by all your prayers and heart felt concern for Jessica. > > Unfortunately her family predicament is extremely serious at this > juncture. > > I would like to add that the content of your prayers should focus on > HaShem's sovereign Will be done. > > Thank you all again from the bottom of my heart. > * > Shalom v'Ahavah > JOE. > * > / > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/c0276287/attachment.html From ptyler at aac-usa.com Sun May 17 12:19:42 2009 From: ptyler at aac-usa.com (Patty ) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:19:42 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism & The Bundle of Life In-Reply-To: <658DBF50-536C-4D1D-8819-4A7F44300BBB@earthlink.net> References: <4A0EF12E.B1C25.7E1@pop.directnic.com> <658DBF50-536C-4D1D-8819-4A7F44300BBB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <045601c9d713$ac3a4460$04aecd20$@com> Shalom! The concept of an afterlife is mentioned using an interesting phrase - The Bundle of Life: In 1 Sam. 25:29 Abigail pleads with David: And if a man rises up to pursue you, and to seek your soul - and the soul of my lord has been bound up in The Bundle of Life with YHWH your Elohim - and the souls of your enemies, He shall sling them from the hollow of the sling. In the Egyptian city of Antinoopolis, on the back of a Christian inscription dated to the 5th or 6th century, is an epitaph of a Lazarus (JIGRE 119) that reads: "Lazarus. May his soul rest in The Bundle of Life". In Conceptions of Afterlife in Jewish Inscriptions Joseph S. Park writes: ".we may conclude that the formula 'may his soul rest in The Bundle of Life' definitely expresses a belief in afterlife." In IQH Thanksgiving for Deliverance from Attack reads: "I thank you, O Lord, because you have placed me in The Bundle of Life." In Matt. 13 we read Jesus' parable of the Wheat and the Tares, where we have a comparison of The Bundle of Death and The Bundle of Life - in the end the sower commands the reapers to "gather the darnel, and bind them into bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my granary." In some Kabalistic descriptions of the afterlife, we find that beyond Gan Eden there is a little known realm called the otzar, the divine treasury of souls; this is also called the tzror ha-hayyim, The Bundle of Life. This otzar is a transcendent realm of human souls, in the highest spheres of creation. Before souls are born on the earth they are said to come from this treasury, and they return there at some point after death. Blessings, Patty -----Original Message----- From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of James Tabor Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:26 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism Thanks for your question Stephen. Daniel 12:2 is absolutely fascinating as it is the single text in the entire Tanakh that clearly and without ambiguity speaks of "resurrection of the dead." Isaiah 26: 17-19 is another possible passage but as you know, the translation, not to mention the contextual interpretation, is exceedingly difficult. By the time we get into the later 2nd Temple period various groups within Judaism had begun the debate on "death and afterlife." I have an article on my university Web site that goes through some of this, see http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/jdtabor/future.html This makes the Daniel passage all the more singular and important and for this and related reasons the Scribes did not include Daniel among the Prophets, but grouped it with the Writings. That alone I think should get our attention in terms of where our emphasis should be placed when it comes to Biblical faith. I do indeed believe that "death is not the end," and there will be some kind of "resurrection" of "many" who sleep in the dust, but since the details are not really laid out, and the Tanakh is otherwise silent, I am concerned not to fall into the trap of majoring on minors and minoring on majors. To the Torah and the Testimony--this to me is fundamental, and where we must begin. I realize that many on the Dialogue list, and with the SWW, accept the developments reflected in the N.T. regarding death, afterlife, and the future. I do not share that faith and have tried to "bracket" such things as interesting but not central, just as one might derive insights from the Dead Sea Scrolls or one of the other books of the so- called Pseudepigrapha (Jubilees, Enoch, et al.). As an historian these are vital to me, but in terms of Abrahamic Faith they go far, far, beyond "what is written." I hope this helps. Let's discuss it more face to face at the next opportunity. Best to you and your family, James On May 16, 2009, at 2:44 PM, stephen wrote: > James, > > Where do you see Daniel 12:2 in the below discussion? > > And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, > some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. > > Stephen > > That said, Hanoch is certainly right, there is no well developed > categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism. The Hebrew > Bible itself is silent on such things. The dead go to Sheol, the > spirit returns to God who gave it, and God is a just judge. It is > amazing how silent the Torah is on matters "above and below." As > Moses said about the Torah, it is not in heaven, it is not below, > it is here and now. The details are left to the future. It is not a > "save or lost" kind of religion, but more one that asks how then > should we live? What are we doing in terms of justice and > righteousness to fix the world? > Shabbat Shalom! > > James > > > " _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/ae2fdc7e/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sun May 17 13:26:29 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:26:29 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism & The Bundle of Life In-Reply-To: <045601c9d713$ac3a4460$04aecd20$@com> References: <4A0EF12E.B1C25.7E1@pop.directnic.com> <658DBF50-536C-4D1D-8819-4A7F44300BBB@earthlink.net> <045601c9d713$ac3a4460$04aecd20$@com> Message-ID: <412A1203-AFAC-4EDE-9CF4-04894337FFBB@earthlink.net> I am not convinced this phrase in Hebrew (betzror hachayyim), and in context in 1 Samuel 25:29, refers to the "afterlife" at all, but rather the idea that all lives are in the hand of YHVH, more or less like the song, "He has the whole world in his hands..." The idea is that the life of David will be held and protected, with other living souls/persons, and HaShem will not allow the evil ones to snatch it out of his hand. Soul, as you know, is "nephesh," and refers to a living, breathing, creature, animal or human--i.e., a "person." I also don't see the "afterlife" in the parable of Matthew 13, but that is another subject. I do think this term might have been used by later texts to refer to more than this original reference. My main point remains. I think we should be mightily impressed at how little the Hebrew Bible cares for what lies before or after, above or below, when humans in their religions have made those mysteries a total focus! For me it testifies, as I said in my talk in Charlotte (now on the Web I think at ROF), of the truth of the HB. How else to explain it when all other religions were mainly focused on death and afterlife. Best, James On May 17, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Patty wrote: > Shalom! The concept of an afterlife is mentioned using an > interesting phrase ? The Bundle of Life: > > In 1 Sam. 25:29 Abigail pleads with David: And if a man rises up to > pursue you, and to seek your soul ? and the soul of my lord has been > bound up in The Bundle of Life with YHWH your Elohim ? and the souls > of your enemies, He shall sling them from the hollow of the sling. > > In the Egyptian city of Antinoopolis, on the back of a Christian > inscription dated to the 5th or 6th century, is an epitaph of a > Lazarus (JIGRE 119) that reads: ?Lazarus. May his soul rest in The > Bundle of Life?. > In Conceptions of Afterlife in Jewish Inscriptions Joseph S. Park > writes: ??we may conclude that the formula ?may his soul rest in The > Bundle of Life? definitely expresses a belief in afterlife.? > > In IQH Thanksgiving for Deliverance from Attack reads: ?I thank you, > O Lord, because you have placed me in The Bundle of Life.? > > In Matt. 13 we read Jesus? parable of the Wheat and the Tares, where > we have a comparison of The Bundle of Death and The Bundle of Life - > in the end the sower commands the reapers to ?gather the darnel, and > bind them into bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my > granary.? > > In some Kabalistic descriptions of the afterlife, we find that > beyond Gan Eden there is a little known realm called the otzar, the > divine treasury of souls; this is also called the tzror ha-hayyim, > The Bundle of Life. This otzar is a transcendent realm of human > souls, in the highest spheres of creation. Before souls are born on > the earth they are said to come from this treasury, and they return > there at some point after death. > > Blessings, > > Patty > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org > ] On Behalf Of James Tabor > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:26 AM > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. > in Judaism > > Thanks for your question Stephen. > > Daniel 12:2 is absolutely fascinating as it is the single text in the > entire Tanakh that clearly and without ambiguity speaks of > "resurrection of the dead." Isaiah 26: 17-19 is another possible > passage but as you know, the translation, not to mention the > contextual interpretation, is exceedingly difficult. By the time we > get into the later 2nd Temple period various groups within Judaism had > begun the debate on "death and afterlife." I have an article on my > university Web site that goes through some of this, see http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/jdtabor/future.html > > This makes the Daniel passage all the more singular and important and > for this and related reasons the Scribes did not include Daniel among > the Prophets, but grouped it with the Writings. That alone I think > should get our attention in terms of where our emphasis should be > placed when it comes to Biblical faith. I do indeed believe that > "death is not the end," and there will be some kind of "resurrection" > of "many" who sleep in the dust, but since the details are not really > laid out, and the Tanakh is otherwise silent, I am concerned not to > fall into the trap of majoring on minors and minoring on majors. To > the Torah and the Testimony--this to me is fundamental, and where we > must begin. > > I realize that many on the Dialogue list, and with the SWW, accept the > developments reflected in the N.T. regarding death, afterlife, and the > future. I do not share that faith and have tried to "bracket" such > things as interesting but not central, just as one might derive > insights from the Dead Sea Scrolls or one of the other books of the > so- > called Pseudepigrapha (Jubilees, Enoch, et al.). As an historian > these are vital to me, but in terms of Abrahamic Faith they go far, > far, beyond "what is written." > > I hope this helps. Let's discuss it more face to face at the next > opportunity. > > Best to you and your family, > > James > > > > > On May 16, 2009, at 2:44 PM, stephen wrote: > > > James, > > > > Where do you see Daniel 12:2 in the below discussion? > > > > And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, > > some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting > contempt. > > > > Stephen > > > > That said, Hanoch is certainly right, there is no well developed > > categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism. The Hebrew > > Bible itself is silent on such things. The dead go to Sheol, the > > spirit returns to God who gave it, and God is a just judge. It is > > amazing how silent the Torah is on matters "above and below." As > > Moses said about the Torah, it is not in heaven, it is not below, > > it is here and now. The details are left to the future. It is not a > > "save or lost" kind of religion, but more one that asks how then > > should we live? What are we doing in terms of justice and > > righteousness to fix the world? > > Shabbat Shalom! > > > > James > > > > > > " _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/636454e0/attachment.html From gets52000 at yahoo.com Sun May 17 14:29:57 2009 From: gets52000 at yahoo.com (gets52000 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer Message-ID: <115452.79366.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks James and Hanoch for your answers to my question! ? I find James point in his interview to be very accurate and one I having been trying to get my friends to look at. Time after time I see Christians in a room having dialogue with a Jewish person who does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah. When the Jewish person leaves the dialogue the thought spoken or unspoken usually is, "John seems to be a really?great guy who loves G-d with all his heart and soul but he has to see that Jesus is Messiah or he is lost." This is bonafide language that is used. I hear it and yet I see that "John" is living a life truer to Biblical Scripture than any Christian in the room. Why would we think that he is "lost" but we are not? The hair stands up on my neck when I hear, "We need to get out there and get people saved!" Can I save someone or help them get saved? If I get someone to say that they accept Jesus as their saviour, done that's it? This is something I think Christianity has to look at and listen to what they say. The whole "rapture" thing is right in line with this thinking and why I think it is a misguided lie. ? I think rabbis would be legit in having discussions about "Bob" the Christian who seems like a great guy who loves G-d with all his heart and soul but he has to see that believing in Jesus as the Messiah is idolatry or that he taught that Torah was done away with. I just didn't know if they did so thank you for the insight. ? It is my understanding that the Council of Nicea used the word "begotten" in their creed as a compromise between the factions of those that believed Jesus as G-d and those that did not. ? Sorry Hanoch if my question or the language I used in asking it was offensive to you. It was not my intention and I do not want to be the cause of anyone feeling the need to put a subtitle under their name. Sorry again! ? Susie --- On Sat, 5/16/09, James Tabor wrote: From: James Tabor Subject: Re: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 5:55 AM Judaism tends lack dogmatic positions on many things, even when it comes to the matter of "Christology." Although Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah since he did not fulfill the messianic tasks, the rabbis differ on whether the idea of the "Trinity" is idolatry, since the classic doctrines tries to preserve the notion of the "One God," even if manifested as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Other rabbis, the majority I think, would say it is outright idolatry to make a man God, bow to any man, or worship a man as a heavenly being. So I think you can generalize and say that "Judaism" in general finds Christianity a form of idolatry, but different in a subtle way from classic "pagan" idolatry, in that Jesus was Jewish and likely never affirmed himself any of the things Christians later said about him. That said, Hanoch is certainly right, there is no well developed categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism. The Hebrew Bible itself is silent on such things. The dead go to Sheol, the spirit returns to God who gave it, and God is a just judge. ?It is amazing how silent the Torah is on matters "above and below." As Moses said about the Torah, it is not in heaven, it is not below, it is here and now. The details are left to the future. It is not a "save or lost" kind of religion, but more one that asks how then should we live? What are we doing in terms of justice and righteousness to fix the world? Shabbat Shalom! James On May 15, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Hanoch Young wrote: Hi Susie - ? ??? I don't want to jump ahead of James, since you asked him, but I just felt compelled to say something briefly.? No, we Jews do not feel that Christians are 'doomed' if they believe that Jesus is the (or, will be..) the messiah.? We have no concept of someone being 'doomed' if they merely observe the 7 Noahide laws.? We have no concept of missing out on the "Rapture" as exists in Christianity.? Or even of a 'hell' as exists for those that do not accept Jesus as their personal savior (according to Christian belief).? ? ?? By "believer" - I assume you mean someone with a belief in Jesus;? I'll give James a chance to answer... ? ???Take care and Shabbat Shalom, ????????????? Hanoch (A definite follower of Torah, without being a "believer") On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, susie getskow wrote: James, ? I thought your second interview got more to the heart of the matter of the Pope's visit and the differences of Christianity and Judaism. I especially started thinking about the point that you made about a group of Christians having dialogue with a Jew while the Jew was in the room and how that dialogue continued when the Jew left the room. The thought by Christians that the Jews must accept Jesus as their saviour or they are doomed to hell. I see this scenario a lot. I was wondering if this scenario happens on the flip side? Do Jews have dialogue with one another that Christians are doomed if they do believe that Jesus is Messiah? Is there a difference if a believer follows Torah? ? Susie --- On Wed, 5/13/09, James Tabor wrote: From: James Tabor Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:25 AM My second interview today with Tovia Singer will air at 4pm EST rather than 3pm/11pm Jerusalem time). We ended up pre-recording it due to some satellite transmission problems, but it should go on the air on time. We covered a wide range of topics but mostly the Pope's visit, Judaism, Christianity, Paul and the New Testament. I think it will prove to be an interesting show. If you can't listen live then you can download the program when it is posted in a day or so. Here is the link: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/ Once you go to that Web site you then choose "Radio" in the menu at the top and Tovia's show will begin at 3pm and go for two hours with my segments coming on at 4pm EST. Shalom, James Tabor _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/fd927f57/attachment.html From stephen at 777jesusislord.com Sun May 17 15:24:21 2009 From: stephen at 777jesusislord.com (stephen) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 15:24:21 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism & The References: <4A1065BE.1B3A1.1694@pop.directnic.com> Message-ID: James, Patty Patty.... very interesting.... the bundle of life reference James ... I think you may have me mixed up with the other Stephen on the list, as I have not met you. I have purchased your books, but have not met you in person. Besides Daniel, there is David, Psalm 16 a Michtam of David 9bMy flesh also will rest in hope. 10 For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, [would seem to indicate that David had an expectation that helped him when writing Psalm 23 - I will Dwell in the house of the Lord forever.] which to me is speaking of more than his earthly sojourn.... The Torah, admittedly is harder for me, hopefully I will study it more; I do note... Genesis 22:5 5And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you. At least indicates, that while Abraham knew he was to offer Isaac as a burnt offering.... since he was the promised heir.... the [and come again to you] could show an expectation of Isaac's resurrection after the sacrifice... as something Abraham now believed. At this point, he has seen his wife's body bear a child, a true Miracle, when before Abram and Sara came up with the idea of using the handmaid to bear a child.... Abraham's understanding has grown, matured I admit to straining some.... and as you say, don't major on minors.... I will have to study more. Shalom, Stephen Shalom! The concept of an afterlife is mentioned using an interesting phrase > - The Bundle of Life: > > > > In 1 Sam. 25:29 Abigail pleads with David: And if a man rises up to pursue > you, and to seek your soul - and the soul of my lord has been bound up in > The Bundle of Life with YHWH your Elohim - and the souls of your enemies, > He > shall sling them from the hollow of the sling. > > > > In the Egyptian city of Antinoopolis, on the back of a Christian > inscription > dated to the 5th or 6th century, is an epitaph of a Lazarus (JIGRE 119) > that > reads: "Lazarus. May his soul rest in The Bundle of Life". > > In Conceptions of Afterlife in Jewish Inscriptions Joseph S. Park writes: > ".we may conclude that the formula 'may his soul rest in The Bundle of > Life' > definitely expresses a belief in afterlife." > > > > In IQH Thanksgiving for Deliverance from Attack reads: "I thank you, O > Lord, > because you have placed me in The Bundle of Life." > > > > In Matt. 13 we read Jesus' parable of the Wheat and the Tares, where we > have > a comparison of The Bundle of Death and The Bundle of Life - in the end > the > sower commands the reapers to "gather the darnel, and bind them into > bundles > to burn them; but gather the wheat into my granary." > > > > In some Kabalistic descriptions of the afterlife, we find that beyond Gan > Eden there is a little known realm called the otzar, the divine treasury > of > souls; this is also called the tzror ha-hayyim, The Bundle of Life. This > otzar is a transcendent realm of human souls, in the highest spheres of > creation. Before souls are born on the earth they are said to come from > this > treasury, and they return there at some point after death. > > > > Blessings, > > > > Patty > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org > [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of James Tabor > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:26 AM > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in > Judaism > > > > Thanks for your question Stephen. > > > > Daniel 12:2 is absolutely fascinating as it is the single text in the > > entire Tanakh that clearly and without ambiguity speaks of > > "resurrection of the dead." Isaiah 26: 17-19 is another possible > > passage but as you know, the translation, not to mention the > > contextual interpretation, is exceedingly difficult. By the time we > > get into the later 2nd Temple period various groups within Judaism had > > begun the debate on "death and afterlife." I have an article on my > > university Web site that goes through some of this, see > http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/jdtabor/future.html > > > > This makes the Daniel passage all the more singular and important and > > for this and related reasons the Scribes did not include Daniel among > > the Prophets, but grouped it with the Writings. That alone I think > > should get our attention in terms of where our emphasis should be > > placed when it comes to Biblical faith. I do indeed believe that > > "death is not the end," and there will be some kind of "resurrection" > > of "many" who sleep in the dust, but since the details are not really > > laid out, and the Tanakh is otherwise silent, I am concerned not to > > fall into the trap of majoring on minors and minoring on majors. To > > the Torah and the Testimony--this to me is fundamental, and where we > > must begin. > > > > I realize that many on the Dialogue list, and with the SWW, accept the > > developments reflected in the N.T. regarding death, afterlife, and the > > future. I do not share that faith and have tried to "bracket" such > > things as interesting but not central, just as one might derive > > insights from the Dead Sea Scrolls or one of the other books of the so- > > called Pseudepigrapha (Jubilees, Enoch, et al.). As an historian > > these are vital to me, but in terms of Abrahamic Faith they go far, > > far, beyond "what is written." > > > > I hope this helps. Let's discuss it more face to face at the next > > opportunity. > > > > Best to you and your family, > > > > James > From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sun May 17 15:36:12 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:36:12 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism & The In-Reply-To: References: <4A1065BE.1B3A1.1694@pop.directnic.com> Message-ID: <0D95B118-8CDA-4909-BDD2-DFE7957A869B@earthlink.net> Yes, sorry, I was thinking you were the "other: Stephen! Sorry, but good topic anyway! You are right, there might be "hints" here and there, and Hebrews did not think Sheol meant annihilation, as Samuel is brought back up. But my main point stands...it is not a major emphasis and I think it is good to follow the old adage: Speak where the Hebrew Bible speaks, be silent where the Hebrew Bible is silent, and be vague where the Hebrew Bible is vague... Best, James On May 17, 2009, at 4:24 PM, stephen wrote: > James, Patty > > Patty.... very interesting.... the bundle of life reference > > James ... I think you may have me mixed up with the other Stephen on > the list, as > I have not met you. I have purchased your books, but > have not met you > in person. > > Besides Daniel, there is David, Psalm 16 a Michtam of David > > 9bMy flesh also will rest in hope. > > 10 For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, > > [would seem to indicate that David had an expectation that > helped him when writing Psalm 23 - I will Dwell in the house > of the Lord forever.] which to me is speaking of more than > his earthly sojourn.... > > The Torah, admittedly is harder for me, hopefully I will study > it more; I do note... > > Genesis 22:5 > > 5And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; > and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you. > > At least indicates, that while Abraham knew he was to offer Isaac as > a burnt offering.... since he was the promised heir.... the [and > come again to you] > could show an expectation of Isaac's resurrection after the > sacrifice... as > something Abraham now believed. At this point, he has seen his wife's > body bear a child, a true Miracle, when before Abram and Sara came > up with the idea of using the handmaid to bear a child.... > Abraham's understanding > has grown, matured > > I admit to straining some.... and as you say, don't major on > minors.... > > I will have to study more. > > Shalom, > Stephen > > Shalom! The concept of an afterlife is mentioned using an > interesting phrase >> - The Bundle of Life: >> >> >> >> In 1 Sam. 25:29 Abigail pleads with David: And if a man rises up to >> pursue >> you, and to seek your soul - and the soul of my lord has been bound >> up in >> The Bundle of Life with YHWH your Elohim - and the souls of your >> enemies, He >> shall sling them from the hollow of the sling. >> >> >> >> In the Egyptian city of Antinoopolis, on the back of a Christian >> inscription >> dated to the 5th or 6th century, is an epitaph of a Lazarus (JIGRE >> 119) that >> reads: "Lazarus. May his soul rest in The Bundle of Life". >> >> In Conceptions of Afterlife in Jewish Inscriptions Joseph S. Park >> writes: >> ".we may conclude that the formula 'may his soul rest in The Bundle >> of Life' >> definitely expresses a belief in afterlife." >> >> >> >> In IQH Thanksgiving for Deliverance from Attack reads: "I thank >> you, O Lord, >> because you have placed me in The Bundle of Life." >> >> >> >> In Matt. 13 we read Jesus' parable of the Wheat and the Tares, >> where we have >> a comparison of The Bundle of Death and The Bundle of Life - in the >> end the >> sower commands the reapers to "gather the darnel, and bind them >> into bundles >> to burn them; but gather the wheat into my granary." >> >> >> >> In some Kabalistic descriptions of the afterlife, we find that >> beyond Gan >> Eden there is a little known realm called the otzar, the divine >> treasury of >> souls; this is also called the tzror ha-hayyim, The Bundle of Life. >> This >> otzar is a transcendent realm of human souls, in the highest >> spheres of >> creation. Before souls are born on the earth they are said to come >> from this >> treasury, and they return there at some point after death. >> >> >> >> Blessings, >> >> >> >> Patty >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org >> [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of James Tabor >> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:26 AM >> To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >> Subject: Re: [Dialogue] categories of hell, eternal punishment, >> etc. in >> Judaism >> >> >> >> Thanks for your question Stephen. >> >> >> >> Daniel 12:2 is absolutely fascinating as it is the single text in the >> >> entire Tanakh that clearly and without ambiguity speaks of >> >> "resurrection of the dead." Isaiah 26: 17-19 is another possible >> >> passage but as you know, the translation, not to mention the >> >> contextual interpretation, is exceedingly difficult. By the time we >> >> get into the later 2nd Temple period various groups within Judaism >> had >> >> begun the debate on "death and afterlife." I have an article on my >> >> university Web site that goes through some of this, see >> http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/jdtabor/future.html >> >> >> >> This makes the Daniel passage all the more singular and important and >> >> for this and related reasons the Scribes did not include Daniel among >> >> the Prophets, but grouped it with the Writings. That alone I think >> >> should get our attention in terms of where our emphasis should be >> >> placed when it comes to Biblical faith. I do indeed believe that >> >> "death is not the end," and there will be some kind of "resurrection" >> >> of "many" who sleep in the dust, but since the details are not really >> >> laid out, and the Tanakh is otherwise silent, I am concerned not to >> >> fall into the trap of majoring on minors and minoring on majors. To >> >> the Torah and the Testimony--this to me is fundamental, and where we >> >> must begin. >> >> >> >> I realize that many on the Dialogue list, and with the SWW, accept >> the >> >> developments reflected in the N.T. regarding death, afterlife, and >> the >> >> future. I do not share that faith and have tried to "bracket" such >> >> things as interesting but not central, just as one might derive >> >> insights from the Dead Sea Scrolls or one of the other books of the >> so- >> >> called Pseudepigrapha (Jubilees, Enoch, et al.). As an historian >> >> these are vital to me, but in terms of Abrahamic Faith they go far, >> >> far, beyond "what is written." >> >> >> >> I hope this helps. Let's discuss it more face to face at the next >> >> opportunity. >> >> >> >> Best to you and your family, >> >> >> >> James >> > _______________________________________________ From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 17 16:47:05 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 07:47:05 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Christian persecution by Islam. References: <4A101F75.1050907@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: Joe, I couldn't get this link to work, so, sorry but cant watch it. Lehitra'ot, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: JOE INDOMENICO To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 12:30 AM Subject: [Dialogue] Christian persecution by Islam. Shalom Chaverim, **** Sorry, forgot the link. this was sent to me by an Israeli friend. Warning ***** not for the faint hearted. Gruesome pictures. http://media.terrorismawareness.org/files/MPAC.swf At the end of the presentation there are another four "must see" power point presentations. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/6a0e1e21/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Sun May 17 17:18:24 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 15:18:24 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer In-Reply-To: <115452.79366.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <115452.79366.qm@web54506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <855590370905171518u1bccb33fuec7404734071cf57@mail.gmail.com> Hey Susie - Nothing to be sorry about...it was MY over reaction. After years of speaking to, and sharing with, various Christian or Messianic groups, I've seen that 'look' you described a bit too often (you know, the "Hanoch really seems like such a good guy, if ONLY he could see that Yeshua..etc"), and it just struck a sensitive chord; but I should have kept myself in check - and I apologize. After years of being non-judgemental, and accepting people for who and what they are - I just 'went off' when I shouldn't have, and I'm sorry. Hope you enjoyed the weekend! Best regards, * Hanoch * On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM, wrote: > Thanks James and Hanoch for your answers to my question! > > I find James point in his interview to be very accurate and one I having > been trying to get my friends to look at. Time after time I see Christians > in a room having dialogue with a Jewish person who does not believe that > Jesus is the Messiah. When the Jewish person leaves the dialogue the thought > spoken or unspoken usually is, "John seems to be a really great guy who > loves G-d with all his heart and soul but he has to see that Jesus is > Messiah or he is lost." This is bonafide language that is used. I hear it > and yet I see that "John" is living a life truer to Biblical Scripture than > any Christian in the room. Why would we think that he is "lost" but we are > not? The hair stands up on my neck when I hear, "We need to get out there > and get people saved!" Can I save someone or help them get saved? If I get > someone to say that they accept Jesus as their saviour, done that's it? This > is something I think Christianity has to look at and listen to what they > say. The whole "rapture" thing is right in line with this thinking and why I > think it is a misguided lie. > > I think rabbis would be legit in having discussions about "Bob" the > Christian who seems like a great guy who loves G-d with all his heart and > soul but he has to see that believing in Jesus as the Messiah is idolatry or > that he taught that Torah was done away with. I just didn't know if they did > so thank you for the insight. > > It is my understanding that the Council of Nicea used the word "begotten" > in their creed as a compromise between the factions of those that believed > Jesus as G-d and those that did not. > > Sorry Hanoch if my question or the language I used in asking it was > offensive to you. It was not my intention and I do not want to be the cause > of anyone feeling the need to put a subtitle under their name. Sorry again! > > Susie > > --- On *Sat, 5/16/09, James Tabor * wrote: > > > From: James Tabor > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 5:55 AM > > Judaism tends lack dogmatic positions on many things, even when it comes > to the matter of "Christology." Although Jews do not accept Jesus as the > messiah since he did not fulfill the messianic tasks, the rabbis differ on > whether the idea of the "Trinity" is idolatry, since the classic doctrines > tries to preserve the notion of the "One God," even if manifested as Father, > Son, and Holy Spirit. Other rabbis, the majority I think, would say it is > outright idolatry to make a man God, bow to any man, or worship a man as a > heavenly being. So I think you can generalize and say that "Judaism" in > general finds Christianity a form of idolatry, but different in a subtle way > from classic "pagan" idolatry, in that Jesus was Jewish and likely never > affirmed himself any of the things Christians later said about him. > That said, Hanoch is certainly right, there is no well developed categories > of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism. The Hebrew Bible itself is > silent on such things. The dead go to Sheol, the spirit returns to God who > gave it, and God is a just judge. It is amazing how silent the Torah is on > matters "above and below." As Moses said about the Torah, it is not in > heaven, it is not below, it is here and now. The details are left to the > future. It is not a "save or lost" kind of religion, but more one that asks > how then should we live? What are we doing in terms of justice and > righteousness to fix the world? > > Shabbat Shalom! > > James > > > On May 15, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Hanoch Young wrote: > > Hi Susie - > > I don't want to jump ahead of James, since you asked him, but I just > felt compelled to say something briefly. No, we Jews do not feel that > Christians are 'doomed' if they believe that Jesus is the (or, will be..) > the messiah. We have no concept of someone being 'doomed' if they merely > observe the 7 Noahide laws. We have no concept of missing out on the > "Rapture" as exists in Christianity. Or even of a 'hell' as exists for > those that do not accept Jesus as their personal savior (according to > Christian belief). > > By "believer" - I assume you mean someone with a belief in Jesus; I'll > give James a chance to answer... > > Take care and Shabbat Shalom, > * Hanoch* > (A definite follower of Torah, without being a "believer") > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, susie getskow > > wrote: > >> James, >> >> I thought your second interview got more to the heart of the matter of the >> Pope's visit and the differences of Christianity and Judaism. >> I especially started thinking about the point that you made about a group >> of Christians having dialogue with a Jew while the Jew was in the room and >> how that dialogue continued when the Jew left the room. The thought by >> Christians that the Jews must accept Jesus as their saviour or they are >> doomed to hell. I see this scenario a lot. I was wondering if this scenario >> happens on the flip side? Do Jews have dialogue with one another that >> Christians are doomed if they do believe that Jesus is Messiah? Is there a >> difference if a believer follows Torah? >> >> Susie >> >> --- On *Wed, 5/13/09, James Tabor >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: James Tabor >> > >> Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer >> To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:25 AM >> >> >> My second interview today with Tovia Singer will air at 4pm EST rather >> than 3pm/11pm Jerusalem time). We ended up pre-recording it due to some >> satellite transmission problems, but it should go on the air on time. We >> covered a wide range of topics but mostly the Pope's visit, Judaism, >> Christianity, Paul and the New Testament. I think it will prove to be an >> interesting show. If you can't listen live then you can download the program >> when it is posted in a day or so. >> >> Here is the link: >> >> http://www.israelnationalnews.com/ >> >> Once you go to that Web site you then choose "Radio" in the menu at the >> top and Tovia's show will begin at 3pm and go for two hours with my segments >> coming on at 4pm EST. >> >> Shalom, >> >> James Tabor >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/d7434b58/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 18:52:01 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Behar-Bechukosai.mp3 (audio/mpeg Object)] In-Reply-To: <4A0E7149.7090401@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <880365.45853.qm@web82506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Shalom, Joe: ? Inju (Adayah) has asked me to respond to your e-mail and to give you a short overview of her journey to Hashem and truth.She enjoyed the snippet of video of the opera you sent. She loves opera.. She was born in South Korea and has memories as a child?of her mother praying to the Creator of Heaven and Earth. She has always had an inner desire to seek and know the truth about God. She traveled the path of Christianity and was obsessed with reading the bible. She and I met at a Christian book store?in 1990 where I volunteered one day a week while I was recovering form shoulder surgery. From there she and her two sons Sean and Mike joined our litle study group with the Nettletons and Linda and Rudy, Jim and I, Adrienne and Larry and Heather. We would often have Sabbath dinner together and study the weekly Parsha on Friday evenings and then study on Sabbath together..We became fast friends and have helped one another in so many ways over the years. Inju calls me her spiritual sister and I feel the same about her. ? We learned a lot from Joseph Good and later we read James's manuscript " Restoring Abrahamic Faith" which was the real turning point.?Later after studying with Rabbis, the Nettletons, Rudy and Linda and Jim and I converted to Orthodox Judaism, Inju's work schedule did not allow her the study time but two years ago she did convert to Conservative Judaism. Unfortunately or perhaps providentially she underwent neck surgery last year and this year shoulder surgery which meant she has m=not been able to return?to work, but during ths time she has had time to pursue her love of Torah study and Hebrew language and now Zohar and Mishnah. She is now studying with an Orthodox rabbi and hopes to convert to Orthodox Judaism as soon as possible. Her long term plan is to,make aliyah. I hope I have done her the justice and honor she deserves with her perseverance in?crying out to Hashem to show her His truth. She has done well especially trying to study in a second language. ? ? Shalom and kind regards, ? Helen ? ? -- On Sat, 5/16/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Behar-Bechukosai.mp3 (audio/mpeg Object)] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 3:54 AM Shavua Tov Adayah, I am also taken by the message of Ari Goldwag, the message of the Yovel - Jubilee. During the Shabbat I read some very interesting Midrashim on the Haftarah of Behar - Jeremiah 32 v 6-27. I had a very interesting discussion about these with the Rabbi. These also relate to the Yovel and the end time implications of these verses. I am still swimming in a sea of subliminal bliss. Unfortunately we are off to Brisbane tonight to watch Giuseppe Verdi's Opera "La Traviata." You can take the Catholic out of me but the Italian, well ...... Mamma Mia. For those who are not Opera buffs please still watch this amazing video. You will not be let down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldD2eKSZMWg So savlanut. Bli Neder , I will share some of these gems with you on my return or early tomorrow morning Australian time. They are from the sod of the Pardes. Adayah, I received an email from you early in the month of January regarding the "Israel Project" for which I am very thankful. Amazing information. You did not formally introduce yourself. Now I know who you are. My apologies for not replying. I really did not know who you were. I thought the email was from Israel and I flowed it on to all my Israeli chaverim. So I would like very much to formally welcome you to the dialogue. Shalom and greetings to you from the sunny Gold Coast of Australia. I do hope to hear more from you and that you will tell the group more about yourself. One final note. Ari Goldwag is not only a good teacher, but a very talented musician. He is a very close mate of Rabbi Lazer Brody. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJsJ3U8Iks Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4A10449E.9040603@gninc.ca> References: <4A1016C8.5050905@westnet.com.au> <4A10449E.9040603@gninc.ca> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0905171710i3ede39bbg27b573b449df10be@mail.gmail.com> Me too. Kim On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Cornie Reimer wrote: > Shalom Joe > May Hasem have His way with Jessica, not knowing the predicament she is in, > but for all of us, emunah being built up is the answer. I am praying for > her. > > Cornie > > JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > > *Shalom all my beloved chaverim, > > I am touched by all your prayers and heart felt concern for Jessica. > > Unfortunately her family predicament is extremely serious at this juncture. > > I would like to add that the content of your prayers should focus on > HaShem's sovereign Will be done. > > Thank you all again from the bottom of my heart. > > Shalom v'Ahavah > JOE. > > * > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/d8b8919d/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Sun May 17 19:11:34 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:11:34 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Something I can really relate to... Message-ID: <855590370905171711o36f0ad26m7ae2b382b16530f2@mail.gmail.com> Iyar 23, 5769, 5/17/2009 Yishai & Malkie Fleisher "The Change-Place" * A few days ago,* I went to cash some checks at a change-place in downtown Jerusalem. Cashing checks outside the bank is legal in Israel, and there are a few reputable establishments around Zion Square. One well known place, "Kent", is owned by Sephardic Jews and they recently decorated their store ? which had moved to a new location ? with many large, quality pictures of famous rabbis such as the Baba Sali and the Lubavitcher Rebbe and others. Standing in line, after conducting a cell phone conversation in English, I was addressed by an American lady who was waiting to exchange her dollars into shekel... "Rabbi pictures in a change place ? that doesn't seem appropriate," she told me, with a look of disapproval, a scrunched up nose and a head shake. "It doesn't fit, you know, money and Rabbis." At first I didn't grasp what she meant. Trying to understand what experiences she might be drawing from, I suddenly realized ? she was concerned about the Christian stigma of Jews as money lenders, penny pinchers, and crook-nosed bankers, and did not want the perception she acutely avoided in America to be promulgated by this Israeli and very Jewish establishment. The rabbis on the walls coupled with unabashed money dealings made her feel uncomfortable. I was taken aback. I did not expect anyone to feel this way about the common practice of rabbi pictures in sefardic establishments. I said to her without any trace of Zionist snobbishness: "Ma'am, we are no longer beholden to the prejudices of two-thousand years in which the nations stereotyped us with hateful libels. We simply do not worry about those things anymore. We don't think of ourselves as Shylocks and we do not look over our shoulder to concern ourselves with 'what will the nations say?' We are in downtown Jerusalem, our Jerusalem! This establishment is reputable, and the owners are sefardi, and they like this style. So why not have rabbis on the walls? What do we have to be embarrassed of?" I asked. So far, a typical downtown Jerusalem conversation. But this is where it became amazing. After my little soliloquy, the nice American lady thought for a moment and surprisingly replied: "Oh? I guess you are right." And after thinking for about another ten seconds more she said: "Yes, you're right, and maybe these rabbis bring a blessing to this place." Oh my G-d! Did you see that? Did you catch the miracle? Well, let me explain it in any case: When this fine lady first came to the change-place, she was repelled by what she saw. She was repelled because she was seeing the store through the lens of the Jewish experience of the last two-thousand years of exile. She was utilizing the thoughts Jews had honed in places like Lodz, and Kiev, Bagdad and Tripoli. These Exilic fears are ever-present even in minds of the emancipated Jews of North America. In short, she was looking at the change-place with Exile-eyes which is why she felt uncomfortable with the rabbi/money nexus. However, this same lady, who until a moment ago was still in the grips of the Exilic mindset, was able, over the course of a short conversation, to completely change her perspective from one of Galut (exile) to one of Geula (redemption)! She had an epiphany, a realization, a change of heart, an understanding, or what I call a shift in polarity. Only a short time ago, her Jewish soul was set to Exile-polarity, worrying about what the gentiles think, not recognizing that she stood in the heart of the miracle, downtown Jerusalem. Now, her soul awakened to the fact that she was part of a proud nation that has returned home, and that we have our own language, our own culture and our own heroes. The rabbis on the wall became not a source of shame, but a source pride, maybe even blessing. Most importantly, the American lady suddenly felt free, free of prejudices and fear, free to be a Jew in Jerusalem and Israel. That is a miracle. Most of us are stuck in the Exile. Heck, most of Israel and certainly the government of the State of Israel is stuck in the Exile. We just can't wrap our minds around the reality that the period of accommodation, pandering, and shame has ended. Our nation acts like a pathetic court-Jew trying to please the Duke or the Tzar, or the Pope, always acquiescing or bowing to international pressure. Many of us think that Jerusalem and Israel are nothing but the same Exile in a slightly superior geography. How many times have you heard (or even said) "We are still in exile." That may be convenience talking, or it may be fear talking, but that is not G-d talking. Downtown Jerusalem is not Exile. Indeed, the only thing that is still in Exile is our brains. That has to change. What gave me so much heart from my conversation with the American women is the speed at which she was able to assimilate a new consciousness. Her soul was willing o accept the truth, but her mind was not yet able. However, once her mind was freed her soul flew, allowing her to finally enjoy the fruits of redemption. Wars, the ingathering of the exiles, and the establishment of the state were all amazing steps in redemption - but now the movement needs a second wind. The time has come for a new consciousness and a new awakening. It is time to take up the mantle of building our Jewish homeland and making it all it can and wants to be. All it takes is a change in mental polarity. If you're stuck in old-world Exile-thinking, go to the change-place in downtown Jerusalem, maybe the rabbis there can help you too. *Yishai* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Others have said malicious things about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. I wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump back into more dialog. Shalom, Kim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/9aa8ee03/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sun May 17 19:34:23 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:34:23 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0905171728i36dfe065nfffe20ffd268a1f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c8dbb6e0905171728i36dfe065nfffe20ffd268a1f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5FFD1970-1C88-4954-B0E9-CB6D49C0BD90@earthlink.net> Thanks for sharing Kim. This is a caring group, as has been abundantly shown. I know you are a good mother and I believe part of what you are facing is common with situations and ages like the one you are dealing with. I know that does not solve it but at least it lets you know that many of us have experienced similar things with our children. I do pray for you often. We were born on the same day! James On May 17, 2009, at 8:28 PM, kim alvarado wrote: > Hello all, > > It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with > everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer > for my situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for > prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my > children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm > at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even > say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. I am > being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be rebuilt > especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things > about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to > just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems > that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that > others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult > in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I > also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get > down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. I > wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use > in regards to my children. > > Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can > jump back into more dialog. > > Shalom, > Kim > _______________________________________________ From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 17 19:41:14 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:41:14 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession References: <1c8dbb6e0905171728i36dfe065nfffe20ffd268a1f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Will do kim, Shalom, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: kim alvarado To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Hello all, It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. I am being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. I wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump back into more dialog. Shalom, Kim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/0ac55214/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Sun May 17 19:48:23 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 17:48:23 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: References: <1c8dbb6e0905171728i36dfe065nfffe20ffd268a1f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <855590370905171748i28bedf6fh689e0569cfd8dce3@mail.gmail.com> Dear Kim, You have been dealt a very difficult, complex "hand" to play in life...and you've done the very best you could, day in and day out. You are a wonderful, caring mom who has sacrificed everything for her children - always. You have my prayers, now and always...be strong and have courage, we're all in your corner! And most importantly, you are one of HaShem's most special daughters...and HE will never forget you.... Luv, hugs & prayers, * Hanoch * On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Pamela Barbera wrote: > Will do kim, Shalom, Pamela > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* kim alvarado > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2009 10:28 AM > *Subject:* [Dialogue] prayer request and confession > > Hello all, > It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with > everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my > situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for prayers along the > lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my > two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm at the point where I just don't know > what to do or what to even say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things > become. I am being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be > rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things > about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to just > ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my > every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have > falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, > but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I also have a lot of guilt > for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is > just the consequence of my past. I wish to only use the words and actions > that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. > > Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump > back into more dialog. > > Shalom, > Kim > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/81abe1f4/attachment.html From dhcole1 at cox.net Sun May 17 20:08:25 2009 From: dhcole1 at cox.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:08:25 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] interfaith bias References: <121168.58458.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shalom Susie, I have also wondered as you put it.... "Do Jews have dialogue with one another (that) christians are doomed it they do believe that Jesus Is Messiah"....(or a deity) I point that James brought it up during his interview with Tovia Singer, was glossed over by the time restraints of the interview. The idea of dialogue is important among people of different faiths BUT more so among likeminded folks. I am reminded of the saying "I would love to be a fly on the wall"...... The same 'class warfare' is among those so-called 'spirit filled' vs. 'just saved' folks in the charismatic groups among protestants and Catholic members.... This is one of the main reasons that I do not like labels....in essence prejudice is usually, (not always), the motive behind the question that is asked, "are you _______? I guess we are just being human when we do this. It is wonderful to have such a mixture of believers coming from the different backgrounds that are represented here, and be still be able to get answers and share frustrations openly in a fairly safe format......e-mail....ya got to love it! just working on the one language promise. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: susie getskow To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer James, I thought your second interview got more to the heart of the matter of the Pope's visit and the differences of Christianity and Judaism. I especially started thinking about the point that you made about a group of Christians having dialogue with a Jew while the Jew was in the room and how that dialogue continued when the Jew left the room. The thought by Christians that the Jews must accept Jesus as their saviour or they are doomed to hell. I see this scenario a lot. I was wondering if this scenario happens on the flip side? Do Jews have dialogue with one another that Christians are doomed if they do believe that Jesus is Messiah? Is there a difference if a believer follows Torah? Susie --- On Wed, 5/13/09, James Tabor wrote: From: James Tabor Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:25 AM My second interview today with Tovia Singer will air at 4pm EST rather than 3pm/11pm Jerusalem time). We ended up pre-recording it due to some satellite transmission problems, but it should go on the air on time. We covered a wide range of topics but mostly the Pope's visit, Judaism, Christianity, Paul and the New Testament. I think it will prove to be an interesting show. If you can't listen live then you can download the program when it is posted in a day or so. Here is the link: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/ Once you go to that Web site you then choose "Radio" in the menu at the top and Tovia's show will begin at 3pm and go for two hours with my segments coming on at 4pm EST. Shalom, James Tabor _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/d2d4e76c/attachment.html From dhcole1 at cox.net Sun May 17 20:16:50 2009 From: dhcole1 at cox.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:16:50 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession References: <1c8dbb6e0905171728i36dfe065nfffe20ffd268a1f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <35BDFF465C9E4BB991F0A73EAFA0E482@davesbook> Hang in there Kim.....we will be praying. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: kim alvarado To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Hello all, It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. I am being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. I wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump back into more dialog. Shalom, Kim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/c172a858/attachment.html From beartrm at yahoo.com Sun May 17 20:24:32 2009 From: beartrm at yahoo.com (susan strickland) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 18:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Message-ID: <246720.16077.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kim,? I am a mom too who made mistakes but my children are young adults now.? You will not believe what a difference it makes in your relationship with your children once they have passed the difficult years of youth.? I just finished reading?the daily omer?for today.? If you will go to www.meaningfullife.com and read it I think it will speak to your heart in your present situation.? Isn't Hashem awesome in His timing.? Shalom,? Susan From: Dave Cole Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 8:16 PM Hang in there Kim.....we will be praying. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: kim alvarado To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Hello all, It is hard for me to ask for prayers. ?Too often, I try to deal with everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my situation as well. ?That is wrong. ?I am requesting for prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. ?I'm at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even say. ?It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. ?I am being tested in so many ways. ?Communication needs to be rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. ?Others have said malicious things about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. ?I try to just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. ?I also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. ?I wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. ? Thank you! ?I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump back into more dialog. Shalom, Kim _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/86bdcbb5/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sun May 17 20:26:22 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:26:22 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: <5FFD1970-1C88-4954-B0E9-CB6D49C0BD90@earthlink.net> References: <1c8dbb6e0905171728i36dfe065nfffe20ffd268a1f1@mail.gmail.com> <5FFD1970-1C88-4954-B0E9-CB6D49C0BD90@earthlink.net> Message-ID: My dear daughter, I have been off line for awhile with computer problems and other things as well...just got on and saw this, and wanted to tell you that I too am glad you shared. Yes, this is a caring group, as James pointed out, and when one person hurts, that hurt is shared among us. You definitely are a good mother and I hope and pray you will take courage and believe it. Listen to your uncle and to your friends who know and love you. I have seen you sacrifice time and time again for your children without having received even a thank-you in return, yet you continue to sacrifice for them because you love them and because you are a good mother and want the best for them. I have also seen you struggle over the years, and all these many false accusations that are coming against you now are very hard to ignore, but please be assured that as you lean on HaShem for strength, you will get thru this. I have also seen your devotion to HaShem and to Torah, but more importantly, HaShem has seen all of this too. He has also seen your heart and it is pure. You are His precious child and He loves you beyond measure! I am so sorry that you are having all this trouble with Skip and Jana and my heart and my prayers are with you right now, as always. May HaShem fill you with His thoughts and His words and may He give you wisdom in dealing with your children and guide your actions in every situation that comes up against you. And one day before too long, may Skip and Jana see the light and know just how blessed they are to have you as their mother. May they "rise up and call you blessed," as Laura K. has done! Psalm 34:19 "HaShem is near to them who are of a broken heart; and He saves such as are of contrite spirit." Psalm 18:29 "For Thou wilt light my candle: HaShem will enlighten my darkness." (PR I received right before the conference for you) Psalm 147:3 "He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds. He counts the number of the stars; He calls them all by their names." (PR from Steve Mathe last year) I love you and am always here for you, but I think you already know that. All my love always, Mom Elisheva/Betty -----Original Message----- From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of James Tabor Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:34 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Thanks for sharing Kim. This is a caring group, as has been abundantly shown. I know you are a good mother and I believe part of what you are facing is common with situations and ages like the one you are dealing with. I know that does not solve it but at least it lets you know that many of us have experienced similar things with our children. I do pray for you often. We were born on the same day! James On May 17, 2009, at 8:28 PM, kim alvarado wrote: > Hello all, > > It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with > everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer > for my situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for > prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my > children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm > at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even > say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. I am > being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be rebuilt > especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things > about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to > just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems > that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that > others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult > in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I > also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get > down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. I > wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use > in regards to my children. > > Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can > jump back into more dialog. > > Shalom, > Kim > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you, Susan and shavuah tov (have a good week) Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of susan strickland Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:25 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Kim, I am a mom too who made mistakes but my children are young adults now. You will not believe what a difference it makes in your relationship with your children once they have passed the difficult years of youth. I just finished reading the daily omer for today. If you will go to www.meaningfullife.com and read it I think it will speak to your heart in your present situation. Isn't Hashem awesome in His timing. Shalom, Susan From: Dave Cole Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 8:16 PM Hang in there Kim.....we will be praying. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: kim alvarado To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Hello all, It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. I am being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. I wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump back into more dialog. Shalom, Kim _____ _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/ba67882e/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sun May 17 20:43:54 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:43:54 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue]Welcome, Pamela! In-Reply-To: References: <1c8dbb6e0905171728i36dfe065nfffe20ffd268a1f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Pamela, it looks like I have more than a little catching up to do as I have not yet welcomed you to our group.so a big hearty belated welcome; and also thank you for your prayers for Kim. I have a special place in my heart for her as she is my daughter and deserves so much more than she has been dealt! Shalom and Shavuah tov (have a good week) Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Pamela Barbera Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:41 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Will do kim, Shalom, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: kim alvarado To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Hello all, It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. I am being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. I wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump back into more dialog. Shalom, Kim _____ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You got it Joe, for Jessica Steve At 06:53 AM 5/17/2009, you wrote: Shalom all my beloved chaverim, I am touched by all your prayers and heart felt concern for Jessica. Unfortunately her family predicament is extremely serious at this juncture. I would like to add that the content of your prayers should focus on HaShem's sovereign Will be done. Thank you all again from the bottom of my heart. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/9d655d45/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sun May 17 20:57:31 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children...] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <814F7A760966461CBCAF97BEAE388E25@bettylaptop> And you, Catherine, are wonderful too! Thank you for sharing about your mum and dad and the thirst for Torah knowledge that all of you are experiencing! There is nothing like it. Prayed for you and your family this morning and will continue to do so. Love you much and shavuah tov, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Cashmore Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:43 AM To: roots Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children...] I too relate to that 'come home' feeling. I feel it's where I belong. It makes me want to cry with joy and desire (desire because there is SO so much to learn) and what is even more wonderful, is that since Dad has been so ill, mum is searching harder than ever. She has always believed, and followed a way that isn't in accord with traditional pagan Christian beliefs (such as the trinity, heaven hell, etc. etc.). And it was mum that started my love for Israel. Now the complete realisation of how we only have HaShem to redeem us from the pain of Dad's illness, the devotion inside from mum and dad to follow him has never been more evident. Now mum sends me e mails begging me to send her more articles via e mail which I usually copy and send her from the excellent snippets you all post on Dialogue and SWW. And after recently gaining Stones Chumash, and telling her about it, she is desperate to get one as well. It makes me sing inside! I love you all so very much. Joe, Margie, Betty, Susie, Hanoch, ALL my brothers and sisters here. Thank you HaShem for calling your children. It's like water for a parched, desert worn soul. You are all wonderful -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/0f088b4f/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Sun May 17 21:02:26 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Yes,HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children...] In-Reply-To: <525737.91454.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <525737.91454.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gisela, Thanks for sharing this wonderful story. I have a friend who is from Venezuela and would like to forward your email to her if you don't mind. She and her husband, who is from Mexico, are both searching their Jewish roots. They were both raised Catholic and are now studying Torah! Amazing, isn't it, but it seems as if these stories are springing up all over the planet! It was so good to be able to meet you at the conference and have that immediate connection. Love you and will be in touch soon, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of G. Ortiz Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:34 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Yes,HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children...] Hello Hanuch, Thank you so very much for sharing this important article. I have already looked at the MyLatinoRoots.org page, (it's under construction) and have bookmarked it, to look into information that may be beneficial in my search. My husband is from Venezuela, and he remembers that his mother always burned a piece of dough on Fridays(?) She did not allow her children to go to funeral views, only to the cemetery, and upon returning home, they had to wash and change clothes (?) I have question marks because these are not traditions of Hispanic origin...but we have an explanation in Judaism.Unfortunately, my mother-in-law passed away before we got married, almost 25 yrs. ago. I once asked my father-in-law, but he was not open to the conversation. He kept his children away from the mother's side of the family (?) and from what I have learned, there is no living relative on that side of the family. My attraction to Judaism grew out of my search for God. I was born and raised in Puerto Rico.Since I was very little (7-8yr old) I remember praying, asking God, how I could love Him with all my heart, all my soul, and with all my might; what did that mean?I read and studied a lot and there were things that did not make sense in the church. When I asked questions I did not get answers. Once I found the way to Torah I felt I had "come home;" my soul has found solace. I do not have all the answers, but what I know is that the Torah has the answers. Shalom, Gisela --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children...] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 7:34 PM Shalom Joe, Thanks for adding to this amazing tale-in-progress...wow... Southern Italy was the 'funnel point' from where Jews from Judea then went on to Northern Italy, France, Germany, then eastward to Poland, Russia, Lithuania, etc. These became the 'Ashkenazi' Jews; my ancestors. But it is totally amazing how this WORLDWIDE phenomenon is occurring - on both sides of the family; Lost Judah and Lost Ephraim. Why am I getting the feeling that I should be renting a LARGER apartment in Modi'in?? :-) Take care Achi! Hanoch On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:25 PM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: Shalom Hanoch and Margie, I just returned back to my home office from a site meeting and was overwhelmed by the story of Bianca and all the Latinos who are descendants of the Conversos. HaShem does work in mysterious ways. Thank you Margie for sharing this uplifting story about Bianca and your dedication to the cause :-) . Thank you Hanoch for being obedient to the unction of HaShem and posting the article contrary to all the friendly advice 8-) . Something very profound is happening in the world. There is much talk about the Anusim from Spain and Portugal. We often forget about Southern Italy. Last weekend Sam and Bruno drove all the way from Victoria, 1600 kilometers or 1000 miles, unannounced to hear about the truth of Torah. Their heritage is from Sicily and Calabria. They are friends of another friend of mine Leo who is also of Sicilian heritage. Leo, who I met three years ago, when he heard about Torah Judaism literally jumped ship from Christianity and joined the local Jewish community. He was being groomed to be an elder of his church. That is until we met. He was going to take strips off me. HaShem had other ideas. He now hangs around our group from Elei Sinai. He will be going over to Israel in July for a holiday with Eli and Nira. The boys from Victoria came up to meet with me and low and behold they are jumping ship. I am easing them in and have already sent them some of the posts from the dialogue. In time they will probably join SWW and the dialogue group, b'Ezrat HaShem. So the awakening of the Latinos is a phenomenon that is happening all over the world. Baruch HaShem !!! I have witnessed it in my own life. There is a large Sicilian community in Griffith , Victoria. Sam and Bruno, I know are so excited and uplifted, who knows what will happen? Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Hanoch Young To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:26:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... Hey Margie - In another one of those 'coincidences' that really isn't, let me tell you a bit of why I posted that particular article today. I typically get articles almost weekly about the descendants of Anusim (those forced to convert to Catholicism in Spain & Portugal), or of other groups with Jewish 'roots' or 'background.' I usually don't pass them on, because I AM trying to limit the # of emails I post (yes, I do listen to those dear friends you email me advice!). Having said that, I don't know why, but this particular article (which wasn't the most detailed, or best written of them) 'spoke to me,' and I felt 'compelled' to share it; and now I know why.. It's estimated that 15-20% of Latinos in the American Southwest are descendants of Anusim (also known as 'Conversos'). If you add in the numbers of those who made it to Latin America or Mexico and Central America - we are talking about a HUGE number of people. And many, to this very day, are STILL so terrified of the Inquisition, that they continue (500 years later!!) to do inexplicable customs in secrecy - these 'nuances' being passed from generation to generation. So, without a doubt, Bianca is one of them....may HaShem guide her back 'home,' just as he's leading us.... B'Ahavat Yehdua v'Yisrael, Hanoch (soon, through HaShem's Rachamim, to be of Modi'in) On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Margie Creech wrote: Pat, I would appreciate that so much. Her name is Bianca. I just knew as soon as I read the email from Hanoch it was for her. Thank you, Margie --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Patricia Robbins wrote: From: Patricia Robbins Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 4:55 PM I love this story so much, Margie! Thank you for sharing it. As I read, I felt such a stirring in my spirit for this girl. What is her first name, please? I will be praying for her. Shalom v'Ahavah, Avigail From: Margie Creech Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:31 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... Hanoch, Thank you for this timely article. I homeschooled a young lady in Texas that is a Latino. She was a Catholic who had never read the Torah. After reading it she was sure that her great grandmother was Jewish because of some of the customs she practiced, especially wedding customs. She was fourteen at the time and had a love for the Torah that none of my other students came close to. She went to her priest with many questions, which he told her to quit reading the Bible unless it was with a teacher in the church. She kept me in hot water with her parents and her church. She was finally asked to go to another Catholic church because she was causing too much trouble. She had been a member of gang and stayed in trouble and that is why I got her as a student. I really believe that is the only reason her parents allowed her to stay in school at my house. She graduated and joined the Marines the year I moved to Alabama but has stayed in touch. I hadn't heard from her for about a year until yesterday. Her email to me was an article about things not happening by coincidence. I just have to believe it is no accident you posted this article and it is for her. She left the Catholic church after she moved out of her parents house. --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Yes, HaShem is waking up ALL of HIS children... To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 6:50 AM Latino Jews Staff It wasn't until 1996 that Dell Sanchez of Texas discovered a well hidden family secret. For generations, the Sanchez women had known but buried the history about the family's Sephardic Jewish roots. When Sanchez was told the secret by his father, he began a personal odyssey that would lead him to write four books on the subject, to found a Spanish Museum in Israel and to create a settlement in the Negev for Latinos with Sephardic ancestry that want to immigrate to the Jewish state. In addition, he runs an organization called the Aliyah Sephardic Center in Texas that encourages people to research their Sephardic lineage, and also encourages Latino "Cryto Jews" (Hidden Jews) to invest in and do business with Israel. (See his Web site at www.4sephardim.com.) Sephardic Jews get their name from the term, Sepharad, a Biblical location identified as the Iberian Peninsula, which is modern day Spain and Portugal. In 1492, during the Spanish Inquisition, Spain banished all Jewish Spaniards to distant lands. Many fled torture and persecution and settled in northern Mexico and the southwestern part of the United States. Sanchez, who was in Phoenix in November for a seminar, says many U.S. Latinos are discovering their Jewish roots. "Jewish genealogists have recently established a good, conservative estimate on the number of Sephardic Jews in the Americas," he says. "Experts are saying that at least 10 percent of all Hispanics have Sephardic Jewish roots." Rebecca Ferrara is one local Latina who is finding out about her hidden ancestry. She is part of an organization called My Latino Roots ( www.mylatinoroots.org) that gathers information about Latino Cryto Jews. "Doors are opening for our Hispanic people to make Aliyah (immigration) back to Israel," Ferrara says. Interestingly, Sanchez's movement coincides with Israel's need for more Jewish immigration from the United States. The country is offering incentives to attract more American immigrants because Israel's Arab minority is having children at a faster rate than Jews, and because immigration is at an 18-year low because of the volatile Mideast politics." "Latino Sephardic Jews are waking up to their true identity across the Americas and will be returning to the land of their forefathers," Sanchez says. 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The idea of dialogue is important among people of different faiths BUT more so among likeminded folks. I am reminded of the saying "I would love to be a fly on the wall"...... The same 'class warfare' is among those so-called 'spirit filled' vs. 'just saved' folks in the charismatic groups among protestants and Catholic members.... This is one of the main reasons that I do not like labels....in essence prejudice is usually, (not always), the motive behind the question that is asked, "are you _______? I guess we are just being human when we do this. It is wonderful to have such a mixture of believers coming from the different backgrounds that are represented here, and be still be able to get answers and share frustrations openly in a fairly safe format......e-mail....ya got to love it! just working on the one language promise. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: susie getskow To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer James, I thought your second interview got more to the heart of the matter of the Pope's visit and the differences of Christianity and Judaism. I especially started thinking about the point that you made about a group of Christians having dialogue with a Jew while the Jew was in the room and how that dialogue continued when the Jew left the room. The thought by Christians that the Jews must accept Jesus as their saviour or they are doomed to hell. I see this scenario a lot. I was wondering if this scenario happens on the flip side? Do Jews have dialogue with one another that Christians are doomed if they do believe that Jesus is Messiah? Is there a difference if a believer follows Torah? Susie --- On Wed, 5/13/09, James Tabor wrote: From: James Tabor Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview today with Tovia Singer To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:25 AM My second interview today with Tovia Singer will air at 4pm EST rather than 3pm/11pm Jerusalem time). We ended up pre-recording it due to some satellite transmission problems, but it should go on the air on time. We covered a wide range of topics but mostly the Pope's visit, Judaism, Christianity, Paul and the New Testament. I think it will prove to be an interesting show. If you can't listen live then you can download the program when it is posted in a day or so. Here is the link: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/ Once you go to that Web site you then choose "Radio" in the menu at the top and Tovia's show will begin at 3pm and go for two hours with my segments coming on at 4pm EST. Shalom, James Tabor _______________________________________________ _____ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090517/fb706a6a/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Sun May 17 23:04:48 2009 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 23:04:48 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: References: <1c8dbb6e0905171728i36dfe065nfffe20ffd268a1f1@mail.gmail.com> <5FFD1970-1C88-4954-B0E9-CB6D49C0BD90@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0905172104v235fcd57je009bdb1d10d325e@mail.gmail.com> Pamela, Hanoch, Dave, Susan, James, and all,Thank you all for your prayers and understanding. I cannot express how much each and everyone of you mean to me. Baruch HaShem! This list is amazing! Susan, Thank you for the MLC reminder. I followed this faithfully last year and was blessed by it. I intended to follow it again this year, sadly I did not. Today's mediation definitely speaks to me. Mom, I love you and aspire to be the wonderful mother that you have been to me. Your steadfast prayers and "standing in for me", with HaShem's many blessings, have kept a wall of protection around me in more situations that I can even begin to count. Words could never express the love I have for you. Joe, Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your prayers and much needed words of wisdom. Kim On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Betty Givin wrote: > My dear daughter, I have been off line for awhile with computer problems > and other things as well...just got on and saw this, and wanted to tell you > that I too am glad you shared. Yes, this is a caring group, as James > pointed out, and when one person hurts, that hurt is shared among us. You > definitely are a good mother and I hope and pray you will take courage and > believe it. Listen to your uncle and to your friends who know and love you. > > > > I have seen you sacrifice time and time again for your children without > having received even a thank-you in return, yet you continue to sacrifice > for them because you love them and because you are a good mother and want > the best for them. > > > > I have also seen you struggle over the years, and all these many false > accusations that are coming against you now are very hard to ignore, but > please be assured that as you lean on HaShem for strength, you will get thru > this. I have also seen your devotion to HaShem and to Torah, but more > importantly, HaShem has seen all of this too. He has also seen your heart > and it is pure. You are His precious child and He loves you beyond measure! > > > > I am so sorry that you are having all this trouble with Skip and Jana and > my heart and my prayers are with you right now, as always. May HaShem fill > you with His thoughts and His words and may He give you wisdom in dealing > with your children and guide your actions in every situation that comes up > against you. And one day before too long, may Skip and Jana see the light > and know just how blessed they are to have you as their mother. May they > ?rise up and call you blessed,? as Laura K. has done! > > > > Psalm 34:19 "HaShem is near to them who are of a broken heart; and He saves > such as are of contrite spirit." > > > > Psalm 18:29 "For Thou wilt light my candle: HaShem will enlighten my > darkness." (PR I received right before the conference for you) > > > > Psalm 147:3 "He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds. He > counts the number of the stars; He calls them all by their names." (PR from > Steve Mathe last year) > > > > I love you and am always here for you, but I think you already know that. > > > > All my love always, > > > > Mom > > > > Elisheva/Betty > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of James Tabor > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:34 PM > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession > > > > Thanks for sharing Kim. This is a caring group, as has been abundantly > > shown. I know you are a good mother and I believe part of what you are > > facing is common with situations and ages like the one you are dealing > > with. I know that does not solve it but at least it lets you know that > > many of us have experienced similar things with our children. I do > > pray for you often. We were born on the same day! > > > > James > > > > > > On May 17, 2009, at 8:28 PM, kim alvarado wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with > > > everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer > > > for my situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for > > > prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my > > > children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm > > > at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even > > > say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. I am > > > being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be rebuilt > > > especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things > > > about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to > > > just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems > > > that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that > > > others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult > > > in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I > > > also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get > > > down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. I > > > wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use > > > in regards to my children. > > > > > > Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can > > > jump back into more dialog. > > > > > > Shalom, > > > Kim > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: "Dave Cole" Subject: [Dialogue] interfaith bias Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:08:25 -0500 Size: 13873 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/d3c19434/attachment.eml From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Mon May 18 03:27:37 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27:37 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue]Welcome, Pamela! References: <1c8dbb6e0905171728i36dfe065nfffe20ffd268a1f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6E4CBF8FA3E447029C426D078FF83E62@pamelahome> Thank you for the welcom Betty, I will get to know more of each of you as time goes on. Stay well, Shalom, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Givin To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: RE: [Dialogue]Welcome, Pamela! Pamela, it looks like I have more than a little catching up to do as I have not yet welcomed you to our group.so a big hearty belated welcome; and also thank you for your prayers for Kim. I have a special place in my heart for her as she is my daughter and deserves so much more than she has been dealt! Shalom and Shavuah tov (have a good week) Elisheva/Betty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Pamela Barbera Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:41 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Will do kim, Shalom, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: kim alvarado To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Hello all, It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. I am being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. I wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump back into more dialog. Shalom, Kim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/ab7689d9/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Mon May 18 04:34:23 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 02:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0905171728i36dfe065nfffe20ffd268a1f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <510686.8860.qm@web82502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Kim: ? As a mother I know how we are to often too hard on ourselves and try to analyze what went wrong, as we face conflict and issues with our children and often placing the blame on ourselves. Be encouraged that when we place these precious children who are gifts lent to us for a time and purpose in His hands, that Hashem is guiding and even when things go off the track, He is faithful and brings them back on track again and in the end He will bring about His purpose. ? I am praying that He will give you peace and confidence as you lean on Him to guide you through. ? Shalom and kind regards, Helen --- On Sun, 5/17/09, kim alvarado wrote: From: kim alvarado Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 8:28 PM Hello all, It is hard for me to ask for prayers. ?Too often, I try to deal with everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my situation as well. ?That is wrong. ?I am requesting for prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. ?I'm at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even say. ?It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. ?I am being tested in so many ways. ?Communication needs to be rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. ?Others have said malicious things about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. ?I try to just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. ?I also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. ?I wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. ? Thank you! ?I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump back into more dialog. Shalom, Kim_______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/dbe27d57/attachment.html From jid at westnet.com.au Mon May 18 04:55:26 2009 From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:55:26 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] BAMIDBAR Message-ID: <4A11308E.9080206@westnet.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, the name Bamidbar itself does not seem to bring to light any unique qualities of the Parsha at all. At this point, the Jewish people have been situated in the desert for a considerable period of time: throughout the whole book of Vayikra and part of the book of Shemot. So what is added now by stressing that the Jewish people were "in the desert"? The answer to this question lies in the fact that "we always read Parshas Bamidbar before Shavuot" (Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim). Before we experience the giving of the Torah once again - for spiritually the Torah is given anew every Shavuot - it is necessary to recall and take to heart the fact that the Torah was not given in a civilized environment, but in a desert. The lesson here is twofold: 1. A desert is a place of utter desolation where "no man can live". Thus the Torah was given there to indicate that it should be embraced without any preconceptions or ulterior motives. When a person lives in a civilized place and he encounters a new idea or suggestions, he will first evaluate it to determine whether it is acceptable according to societal norms. With Torah, however, this would be a mistake; the correct approach to accepting the Torah is "we will do, and (later) we will understand" (Shemot 24:7). Therefore the Torah was given in a desert, where nobody lives, to indicate that one needs to be truly "open-minded" - i.e. not influenced by one's environment - to appreciate its values. 2. The Torah was given in a desert to teach that sharing the Torah with those who currently find themselves in a spiritual desert is fundamental to Torah Judaism. It is not the case that the Torah can "also" reach those who are found in a spiritual wasteland; to the contrary, this is a central theme of the giving of the Torah: To transform every spiritual desert into a "civilized environment". Based on Sichas Shabbos Parshas Bamidbar of the Lubavitcher Rebbe (5732 and 5734) Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/98d093ed/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 32800 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/98d093ed/attachment.jpe From chcashmore at hotmail.com Mon May 18 06:59:22 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:59:22 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Message-ID: Dearest Kim, I will pray heart and soul for you. Your words touched me because I often feel guilt about the things I suffer, feeling very much that it is deserved. However I believe that prayer with faith can over come all. Stay as strong as you're able with the word of HaShem behind you to hold you up. Much love, Catherine _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Love you, Pat From: kim alvarado Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:28 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Hello all, It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. I am being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. I wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump back into more dialog. Shalom, Kim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/377977f6/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Mon May 18 08:43:05 2009 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:43:05 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: References: <1c8dbb6e0905171728i36dfe065nfffe20ffd268a1f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0905180643r1bd458e2hf0fb5d2eed099dfe@mail.gmail.com> Pat, My email is kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com. I'm leaving for work now and won't be able to read it. I'm going to try to give you a call. Kim On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Patricia Robbins < patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com> wrote: > Kim, I sent the answer I got in prayer directly to you. Now I am worried > that I sent it to the wrong email address. Would you please write to me > privately and let me know the correct address? I just show your name and > not your address on the Dialogue. I thought it was the one with "3265" > in it. I read your Mom's note on Dialogue after I sent it and saw that her > note to you had the same reference, so HaShem was confirming His Word!!!! > > Love you, > > Pat > > *From:* kim alvarado > *Sent:* Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:28 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* [Dialogue] prayer request and confession > > Hello all, > It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with > everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my > situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for prayers along the > lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my > two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm at the point where I just don't know > what to do or what to even say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things > become. I am being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be > rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things > about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to just > ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my > every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have > falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, > but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I also have a lot of guilt > for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is > just the consequence of my past. I wish to only use the words and actions > that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. > > Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump > back into more dialog. > > Shalom, > Kim > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/cdf97fc6/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Mon May 18 09:26:56 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:26:56 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Something I can really relate to... In-Reply-To: <855590370905171711o36f0ad26m7ae2b382b16530f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <051820091426.15808.4A1170300000FFEC00003DC022230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Yep! Now all we gotta do is convince them to let us back in. ;-{)} -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : -------------- Iyar 23, 5769, 5/17/2009 Yishai & Malkie Fleisher "The Change-Place" A few days ago, I went to cash some checks at a change-place in downtown Jerusalem. Cashing checks outside the bank is legal in Israel, and there are a few reputable establishments around Zion Square. One well known place, "Kent", is owned by Sephardic Jews and they recently decorated their store ? which had moved to a new location ? with many large, quality pictures of famous rabbis such as the Baba Sali and the Lubavitcher Rebbe and others. Standing in line, after conducting a cell phone conversation in English, I was addressed by an American lady who was waiting to exchange her dollars into shekel... "Rabbi pictures in a change place ? that doesn't seem appropriate," she told me, with a look of disapproval, a scrunched up nose and a head shake. "It doesn't fit, you know, money and Rabbis." At first I didn't grasp what she meant. Trying to understand what experiences she might be drawing from, I suddenly realized ? she was concerned about the Christian stigma of Jews as money lenders, penny pinchers, and crook-nosed bankers, and did not want the perception she acutely avoided in America to be promulgated by this Israeli and very Jewish establishment. The rabbis on the walls coupled with unabashed money dealings made her feel uncomfortable. I was taken aback. I did not expect anyone to feel this way about the common practice of rabbi pictures in sefardic establishments. I said to her without any trace of Zionist snobbishness: "Ma'am, we are no longer beholden to the prejudices of two-thousand years in which the nations stereotyped us with hateful libels. We simply do not worry about those things anymore. We don't think of ourselves as Shylocks and we do not look over our shoulder to concern ourselves with 'what will the nations say?' We are in downtown Jerusalem, our Jerusalem! This establishment is reputable, and the owners are sefardi, and they like this style. So why not have rabbis on the walls? What do we have to be embarrassed of?" I asked. So far, a typical downtown Jerusalem conversation. But this is where it became amazing. After my little soliloquy, the nice American lady thought for a moment and surprisingly replied: "Oh? I guess you are right." And after thinking for about another ten seconds more she said: "Yes, you're right, and maybe these rabbis bring a blessing to this place." Oh my G-d! Did you see that? Did you catch the miracle? Well, let me explain it in any case: When this fine lady first came to the change-place, she was repelled by what she saw. She was repelled because she was seeing the store through the lens of the Jewish experience of the last two-thousand years of exile. She was utilizing the thoughts Jews had honed in places like Lodz, and Kiev, Bagdad and Tripoli. These Exilic fears are ever-present even in minds of the emancipated Jews of North America. In short, she was looking at the change-place with Exile-eyes which is why she felt uncomfortable with the rabbi/money nexus. However, this same lady, who until a moment ago was still in the grips of the Exilic mindset, was able, over the course of a short conversation, to completely change her perspective from one of Galut (exile) to one of Geula (redemption)! She had an epiphany, a realization, a change of heart, an understanding, or what I call a shift in polarity. Only a short time ago, her Jewish soul was set to Exile-polarity, worrying about what the gentiles think, not recognizing that she stood in the heart of the miracle, downtown Jerusalem. Now, her soul awakened to the fact that she was part of a proud nation that has returned home, and that we have our own language, our own culture and our own heroes. The rabbis on the wall became not a source of shame, but a source pride, maybe even blessing. Most importantly, the American lady suddenly felt free, free of prejudices and fear, free to be a Jew in Jerusalem and Israel. That is a miracle. Most of us are stuck in the Exile. Heck, most of Israel and certainly the government of the State of Israel is stuck in the Exile. We just can't wrap our minds around the reality that the period of accommodation, pandering, and shame has ended. Our nation acts like a pathetic court-Jew trying to please the Duke or the Tzar, or the Pope, always acquiescing or bowing to international pressure. Many of us think that Jerusalem and Israel are nothing but the same Exile in a slightly superior geography. How many times have you heard (or even said) "We are still in exile." That may be convenience talking, or it may be fear talking, but that is not G-d talking. Downtown Jerusalem is not Exile. Indeed, the only thing that is still in Exile is our brains. That has to change. What gave me so much heart from my conversation with the American women is the speed at which she was able to assimilate a new consciousness. Her soul was willing o accept the truth, but her mind was not yet able. However, once her mind was freed her soul flew, allowing her to finally enjoy the fruits of redemption. Wars, the ingathering of the exiles, and the establishment of the state were all amazing steps in redemption - but now the movement needs a second wind. The time has come for a new consciousness and a new awakening. It is time to take up the mantle of building our Jewish homeland and making it all it can and wants to be. All it takes is a change in mental polarity. If you're stuck in old-world Exile-thinking, go to the change-place in downtown Jerusalem, maybe the rabbis there can help you too. Yishai -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/5ae87d9e/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Mon May 18 10:13:33 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:13:33 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Something I can really relate to... In-Reply-To: <051820091426.15808.4A1170300000FFEC00003DC022230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <855590370905171711o36f0ad26m7ae2b382b16530f2@mail.gmail.com> <051820091426.15808.4A1170300000FFEC00003DC022230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <855590370905180813vec9271l4030d25f299d80a3@mail.gmail.com> Let "us" (those who shall not be named at this time) do the convincing for you :-) I'm meeting the right people, and I will never, ever give up. What till they find out with whom their dealing, LOL.... Besides, think of the great inspiration for songs that you'll get in Israel! We'll get you there...B'Ezrat HaShem. Hey John, I should send you the song by Ehud Banai, "Brroklyn Shel Kodesh" - 'Holy Brooklyn,' or 'Brooklyn that's holy.' Not sure it would change your view of your place of birth though.... Hanoch On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:26 AM, wrote: > Yep! > > Now all we gotta do is convince them to let us back in. > > ;-{)} > > -- > Eliron/John. > > "Be excellent to each other!" > Bill and Ted > > > -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : > -------------- > > Iyar 23, 5769, 5/17/2009 Yishai & Malkie Fleisher > "The Change-Place" > > * > A few days ago,* I went to cash some checks at a change-place in downtown > Jerusalem. Cashing checks outside the bank is legal in Israel, and there are > a few reputable establishments around Zion Square. One well known place, > "Kent", is owned by Sephardic Jews and they recently decorated their store ? > which had moved to a new location ? with many large, quality pictures of > famous rabbis such as the Baba Sali and the Lubavitcher Rebbe and others. > > Standing in line, after conducting a cell phone conversation in English, I > was addressed by an American lady who was waiting to exchange her dollars > into shekel... > > "Rabbi pictures in a change place ? that doesn't seem appropriate," she > told me, with a look of disapproval, a scrunched up nose and a head shake. > "It doesn't fit, you know, money and Rabbis." > > At first I didn't grasp what she meant. Trying to understand what > experiences she might be drawing from, I suddenly realized ? she was > concerned about the Christian stigma of Jews as money lenders, penny > pinchers, and crook-nosed bankers, and did not want the perception she > acutely avoided in America to be promulgated by this Israeli and very Jewish > establishment. The rabbis on the walls coupled with unabashed money dealings > made her feel uncomfortable. > > I was taken aback. I did not expect anyone to feel this way about the > common practice of rabbi pictures in sefardic establishments. I said to her > without any trace of Zionist snobbishness: "Ma'am, we are no longer beholden > to the prejudices of two-thousand years in which the nations stereotyped us > with hateful libels. We simply do not worry about those things anymore. We > don't think of ourselves as Shylocks and we do not look over our shoulder to > concern ourselves with 'what will the nations say?' We are in downtown > Jerusalem, our Jerusalem! This establishment is reputable, and the owners > are sefardi, and they like this style. So why not have rabbis on the walls? > What do we have to be embarrassed of?" I asked. > > So far, a typical downtown Jerusalem conversation. But this is where it > became amazing. After my little soliloquy, the nice American lady thought > for a moment and surprisingly replied: "Oh? I guess you are right." And > after thinking for about another ten seconds more she said: "Yes, you're > right, and maybe these rabbis bring a blessing to this place." > > Oh my G-d! Did you see that? Did you catch the miracle? Well, let me > explain it in any case: > > When this fine lady first came to the change-place, she was repelled by > what she saw. She was repelled because she was seeing the store through the > lens of the Jewish experience of the last two-thousand years of exile. She > was utilizing the thoughts Jews had honed in places like Lodz, and Kiev, > Bagdad and Tripoli. These Exilic fears are ever-present even in minds of the > emancipated Jews of North America. In short, she was looking at the > change-place with Exile-eyes which is why she felt uncomfortable with the > rabbi/money nexus. > > However, this same lady, who until a moment ago was still in the grips of > the Exilic mindset, was able, over the course of a short conversation, to > completely change her perspective from one of Galut (exile) to one of Geula > (redemption)! She had an epiphany, a realization, a change of heart, an > understanding, or what I call a shift in polarity. Only a short time ago, > her Jewish soul was set to Exile-polarity, worrying about what the gentiles > think, not recognizing that she stood in the heart of the miracle, downtown > Jerusalem. Now, her soul awakened to the fact that she was part of a proud > nation that has returned home, and that we have our own language, our own > culture and our own heroes. The rabbis on the wall became not a source of > shame, but a source pride, maybe even blessing. > > Most importantly, the American lady suddenly felt free, free of prejudices > and fear, free to be a Jew in Jerusalem and Israel. That is a miracle. > > Most of us are stuck in the Exile. Heck, most of Israel and certainly the > government of the State of Israel is stuck in the Exile. We just can't wrap > our minds around the reality that the period of accommodation, pandering, > and shame has ended. Our nation acts like a pathetic court-Jew trying to > please the Duke or the Tzar, or the Pope, always acquiescing or bowing to > international pressure. > > Many of us think that Jerusalem and Israel are nothing but the same Exile > in a slightly superior geography. How many times have you heard (or even > said) "We are still in exile." That may be convenience talking, or it may be > fear talking, but that is not G-d talking. Downtown Jerusalem is not Exile. > Indeed, the only thing that is still in Exile is our brains. That has to > change. > > What gave me so much heart from my conversation with the American women is > the speed at which she was able to assimilate a new consciousness. Her soul > was willing o accept the truth, but her mind was not yet able. However, once > her mind was freed her soul flew, allowing her to finally enjoy the fruits > of redemption. > > Wars, the ingathering of the exiles, and the establishment of the state > were all amazing steps in redemption - but now the movement needs a second > wind. The time has come for a new consciousness and a new awakening. It is > time to take up the mantle of building our Jewish homeland and making it all > it can and wants to be. All it takes is a change in mental polarity. If > you're stuck in old-world Exile-thinking, go to the change-place in downtown > Jerusalem, maybe the rabbis there can help you too. > > *Yishai* > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/0cc92aa9/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Mon May 18 10:41:53 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:53 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Something I can really relate to... In-Reply-To: <855590370905180813vec9271l4030d25f299d80a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <855590370905171711o36f0ad26m7ae2b382b16530f2@mail.gmail.com><051820091426.15808.4A1170300000FFEC00003DC022230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> <855590370905180813vec9271l4030d25f299d80a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <051820091541.4527.4A1181C10001D583000011AF22230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Wow! I have some very fond memories of Brooklyn Hanoch but I can honestly say that the idea of it being "holy" has never crossed my mind. I'm looking forward to the inspiration man. I spoke with the Israeli consulate in Houston on Friday. Believe me, I'm gonna need all the help I can get. So thanks for your persistence in advance. There is no doubt in my mind that the proverbial immovable object is about to meet the undeniably irresistable force. ;-{)} Shavua Tov Achi. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : -------------- Let "us" (those who shall not be named at this time) do the convincing for you :-) I'm meeting the right people, and I will never, ever give up. What till they find out with whom their dealing, LOL.... Besides, think of the great inspiration for songs that you'll get in Israel! We'll get you there...B'Ezrat HaShem. Hey John, I should send you the song by Ehud Banai, "Brroklyn Shel Kodesh" - 'Holy Brooklyn,' or 'Brooklyn that's holy.' Not sure it would change your view of your place of birth though.... Hanoch On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:26 AM, wrote: Yep! Now all we gotta do is convince them to let us back in. ;-{)} -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : -------------- Iyar 23, 5769, 5/17/2009 Yishai & Malkie Fleisher "The Change-Place" A few days ago, I went to cash some checks at a change-place in downtown Jerusalem. Cashing checks outside the bank is legal in Israel, and there are a few reputable establishments around Zion Square. One well known place, "Kent", is owned by Sephardic Jews and they recently decorated their store ? which had moved to a new location ? with many large, quality pictures of famous rabbis such as the Baba Sali and the Lubavitcher Rebbe and others. Standing in line, after conducting a cell phone conversation in English, I was addressed by an American lady who was waiting to exchange her dollars into shekel... "Rabbi pictures in a change place ? that doesn't seem appropriate," she told me, with a look of disapproval, a scrunched up nose and a head shake. "It doesn't fit, you know, money and Rabbis." At first I didn't grasp what she meant. Trying to understand what experiences she might be drawing from, I suddenly realized ? she was concerned about the Christian stigma of Jews as money lenders, penny pinchers, and crook-nosed bankers, and did not want the perception she acutely avoided in America to be promulgated by this Israeli and very Jewish establishment. The rabbis on the walls coupled with unabashed money dealings made her feel uncomfortable. I was taken aback. I did not expect anyone to feel this way about the common practice of rabbi pictures in sefardic establishments. I said to her without any trace of Zionist snobbishness: "Ma'am, we are no longer beholden to the prejudices of two-thousand years in which the nations stereotyped us with hateful libels. We simply do not worry about those things anymore. We don't think of ourselves as Shylocks and we do not look over our shoulder to concern ourselves with 'what will the nations say?' We are in downtown Jerusalem, our Jerusalem! This establishment is reputable, and the owners are sefardi, and they like this style. So why not have rabbis on the walls? What do we have to be embarrassed of?" I asked. So far, a typical downtown Jerusalem conversation. But this is where it became amazing. After my little soliloquy, the nice American lady thought for a moment and surprisingly replied: "Oh? I guess you are right." And after thinking for about another ten seconds more she said: "Yes, you're right, and maybe these rabbis bring a blessing to this place." Oh my G-d! Did you see that? Did you catch the miracle? Well, let me explain it in any case: When this fine lady first came to the change-place, she was repelled by what she saw. She was repelled because she was seeing the store through the lens of the Jewish experience of the last two-thousand years of exile. She was utilizing the thoughts Jews had honed in places like Lodz, and Kiev, Bagdad and Tripoli. These Exilic fears are ever-present even in minds of the emancipated Jews of North America. In short, she was looking at the change-place with Exile-eyes which is why she felt uncomfortable with the rabbi/money nexus. However, this same lady, who until a moment ago was still in the grips of the Exilic mindset, was able, over the course of a short conversation, to completely change her perspective from one of Galut (exile) to one of Geula (redemption)! She had an epiphany, a realization, a change of heart, an understanding, or what I call a shift in polarity. Only a short time ago, her Jewish soul was set to Exile-polarity, worrying about what the gentiles think, not recognizing that she stood in the heart of the miracle, downtown Jerusalem. Now, her soul awakened to the fact that she was part of a proud nation that has returned home, and that we have our own language, our own culture and our own heroes. The rabbis on the wall became not a source of shame, but a source pride, maybe even blessing. Most importantly, the American lady suddenly felt free, free of prejudices and fear, free to be a Jew in Jerusalem and Israel. That is a miracle. Most of us are stuck in the Exile. Heck, most of Israel and certainly the government of the State of Israel is stuck in the Exile. We just can't wrap our minds around the reality that the period of accommodation, pandering, and shame has ended. Our nation acts like a pathetic court-Jew trying to please the Duke or the Tzar, or the Pope, always acquiescing or bowing to international pressure. Many of us think that Jerusalem and Israel are nothing but the same Exile in a slightly superior geography. How many times have you heard (or even said) "We are still in exile." That may be convenience talking, or it may be fear talking, but that is not G-d talking. Downtown Jerusalem is not Exile. Indeed, the only thing that is still in Exile is our brains. That has to change. What gave me so much heart from my conversation with the American women is the speed at which she was able to assimilate a new consciousness. Her soul was willing o accept the truth, but her mind was not yet able. However, once her mind was freed her soul flew, allowing her to finally enjoy the fruits of redemption. Wars, the ingathering of the exiles, and the establishment of the state were all amazing steps in redemption - but now the movement needs a second wind. The time has come for a new consciousness and a new awakening. It is time to take up the mantle of building our Jewish homeland and making it all it can and wants to be. All it takes is a change in mental polarity. If you're stuck in old-world Exile-thinking, go to the change-place in downtown Jerusalem, maybe the rabbis there can help you too. Yishai _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/912210ea/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Mon May 18 15:14:33 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 20:14:33 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Petition Message-ID: <051820092014.21291.4A11C1A8000DE7BD0000532B22230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> A friend of mine who has had breast cancer sent this to me. It sounds like a worthy cause. Proposed Mastectomy Law Change (written by a surgeon); I'll never forget the look in my patients eyes when I had to tell them they had to go home with the drains, new exercises and no breast. I remember begging the doctors to keep these women in the hospital longer, only to hear that they would, but their hands were tied by the insurance companies. So there I sat with my patient giving them the instructions they needed to take care of themselves, knowing full well they didn't grasp half of what I was saying, because the glazed, hopeless, frightened look spoke louder than the quiet 'Thank you' they muttered. A mastectomy is when a woman's breast is removed in order to remove cancerous breast cells/tissue. If you know anyone who has had a mastectomy, you may know that there is a lot of discomfort and pain afterwards. Insurance companies are trying to make mastectomies an outpatient procedure. Let's give women the chance to recover properly in the hospital for 2 days after surgery. This Mastectomy Bill is in Congress now. It takes 2 seconds to do this and is very important. Please take the time and do it really quick! The Breast Cancer Hospitalization Bill is important legislation for all women. Please send this to everyone in your address book. If there was ever a time when our voices and choices should be heard, this is one of those times. If you're receiving this, it's because I think you will take the 30 seconds to go to vote on this issue and send it on to others you know who will do the same. There's a bill called the Breast Cancer Patient Protection Act which will require insurance companies to cover a minimum 48-hour hospital stay for patients undergoing a mastectomy. It's about eliminating the 'drive-through mastectomy' where women are forced to go home just a few hours after surgery, against the wishes of their doctor, still groggy from anesthesia and sometimes with drainage tubes still attached. Lifetime Television has put this bill on their web page with a petition drive to show your support.. Last year over half the House signed on. PLEASE! Sign the petition by clicking on the web site below. You need not give more than your name and zip code number... http://www.mylifetime.com/my-lifetime-commitment/breast-cancer/petition/br east-cancer-petition This takes about 2 seconds. PLEASE PASS THIS ON to your 20 friends -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/fa7c3aa3/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Mon May 18 17:34:19 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A11E26B.6020009@gninc.ca> Hi Catherine and all. When I try to look at the whole picture. And I'm sure I'm missing the bigger view. But this is the way i see it: Hashem is in control of every iota of what any of us do or think. It is the trying times we go through, also in His control, that change us, and our compassion toward each other, guiding and maneuvering us to what help we can be toward each others good. In this case which i agree with concerning Kim, and her hearts crushed pains. It is only because we too have been there, all of it motivated by the unseen hand of Hashem, to draw us all together to Him. All the while, He himself is not changing because of our prayers. (the real need for them too, our prayers, please don't miss-understand ) But our God, almighty, all encompassing, all knowing before hand, does not have to change His mind when we pray. It is us who need to be drawn together toward His loving embrace, to follow in unision where He leads. My heart too goes out to anyone having family struggles, even though I am a partial stranger to Kim, with the ones we love so much, our hearts some times seem to break under the load, been there, done that, am still there. Its no fun. But I guess when it really boils down to where the rubber meets the road, we can all recall so well. It was those valleys that seemed to bring the results, that we sought in the mountain tops. Hashem already knows your future Kim, if you happen to read this. He is a good Captain, He knows how to take you through the storms. We need to learn to lean on His arms and to trust Him to take us through. Think of the pride He will have seeing you totally trusting Him. I need to say this all to myself too. But our children will see it in our face when you calmly trust Him. I will just share a little experience I had not even too long ago, a year and a half ago, or so. I did not know what lay ahead for me, just before my stroke. ( and I still go through those trials today ) Stress and anxiety on my side wanting to take over. Adding it all together, nothing to feel proud of, I had a lack of emuna, total trust in Hashem. But He was so good to me, I think it was him that prompted me to check out an email that I normally would not take time to read, and would have just deleted it. It was not written to me. It read as follows: "Stay Calm When things don't work out, relax: Even if it's all your fault and you deserve everything your getting, trust in G-d that it is all for the good, and stay calm. When He sees how much you trust in Him, He will make it for the good." I came to the end of the rope as it seemed, financially broke, I could not work, ( I mean I did not have money to fill up gas, and yes, I was on pension) I could not make a loan in the bank. I had worked my head off as it seemed to try to get an online business going for which I was not cut out. And failed miserably. Yes I had been hoping to get a job, driving part time but did not have license for yet, came down with a stroke instead, spoiling all hopes for this job. Did i say i was at the end of the rope?? I thought so, except for this e-mail reminder, I thought I was there. To make a long story short, within half a year, I regained my health miraculously, got my job back. I was learning to lean on His everlasting arms, to reach out and help me. I saw such unbelievable things happening. And mind you. Life is not " living happily ever after", as you all know . But I look forward to face those valleys with emuna, if I have a need, like I had quite recently, Hashem does not have to change His course, I need to. Baruch Hashem What a mighty G-d we serve. But it is so good to feel all of us as many members of one body feeling the pain when one member suffers.Blessings to all. Cornie Catherine Cashmore wrote: > I will pray for her today Joe. I will also pray for everyone here. I > am just starting to understand and see things more clearly regarding > how important faith and belief is - and all my revelations and joy in > them is totally inspired by you all. Be safe everyone. My thoughts, > prayers, and hopes are with you all. May we have peace in Jerusalem > soon. Catherine > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/c9841856/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Mon May 18 18:00:49 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:00:49 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Outstanding 3 minute ancient Hebrew meditation Message-ID: <855590370905181600r5199e313t8d6467148d94af5f@mail.gmail.com> >From Rav Lazer Brody, a wonderful 3 minute meditation, done to *Cherokee music*. Rav Lazer says that the Cherokee have their roots in the Ten Lost Tribes. With all due Kavod (respect), I suggest that they are either actually from the other side of the family - Judah; or, came to America with Phoenicians during the reign of Shlomo HaMelech (King Solomon). In any case, I have personally long been drawn to the Cherokee, Scots and Welsh. I wonder what THAT means for my DNA? Enjoy it, it's amazing.... * Hanoch* Stress-buster: 3-minute Ancient Hebrew Meditation It's unfortunate that so many people search the ends of the earth for some meaningful spirituality - a true, pure, and uncomplicated connection with The Almighty - when they're not even aware of their own fabulously rich spiritual heritage. People ask me if meditation is kosher; if it brings you to cling to Hashem, by all means. In case you don't know, meditation originated with our ancestors, the ancient Hebrews. Hebrew meditation is a form of "hitbodedut", or secluded personal prayer where a person yearns to cling to The Almighty with all his or her cognitive faculties, body, and soul. Nothing is so conducive to inner peace as merging with G-d, in the way that a small flame of a candle merges with and completely nullifies itself to a great flame. By meditation, we communicate everything on our heart to Hashem, beginning with expressions of praise and gratitude. Then we do soul-searching, cleaning out those hidden cobwebs of past misdeeds that are liable to haunt us. The more we develop sensitivity and receptiveness by frequent daily hitbodedut, the more we are able to hear the soft flashes of Hashem's messages that illuminate our souls. The following film clip is a gift to you, my dearest brothers and sisters, wherever you are. In less than 4 minutes, it will magically uplift you from the depths of stress and worry. True spirituality is somewhat like popcorn or potato chips - you always want more. The music in this clip is Native American, composed by Grandmother White Eagle, esteemed elder of the Texas Cherokee nation and our very dear friend. Fiercely monotheistic, the Cherokee Nation has its roots in the ten lost tribes of Israel. The lovely native American melodies are therefore strikingly similar to the ancient Hebrew shepherds' flute, conveying a yearning to commune with God, as we see in this sea-side meditation based on the prayer "Nishmat" coupled with a Hebrew Tai-Chi style meditative exercise. Feel free to forward this clip to someone you love. Enjoy and G-d bless. Click here: YouTube - "Nishmat": Ancient Hebrew Meditation at Sea -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/480f511c/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Mon May 18 19:08:14 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:08:14 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Petition In-Reply-To: <051820092014.21291.4A11C1A8000DE7BD0000532B22230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <051820092014.21291.4A11C1A8000DE7BD0000532B22230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <7346E01888F2450A8B1693980132784B@bettylaptop> Signed it, thanks, Eliron, for the opportunity. Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of carlson_john at bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 3:15 PM To: Dialogue Subject: [Dialogue] Petition A friend of mine who has had breast cancer sent this to me. It sounds like a worthy cause. Proposed Mastectomy Law Change (written by a surgeon); I'll never forget the look in my patients eyes when I had to tell them they had to go home with the drains, new exercises and no breast. I remember begging the doctors to keep these women in the hospital longer, only to hear that they would, but their hands were tied by the insurance companies. So there I sat with my patient giving them the instructions they needed to take care of themselves, knowing full well they didn't grasp half of what I was saying, because the glazed, hopeless, frightened look spoke louder than the quiet 'Thank you' they muttered. A mastectomy is when a woman's breast is removed in order to remove cancerous breast cells/tissue. If you know anyone who has had a mastectomy, you may know that there is a lot of discomfort and pain afterwards. Insurance companies are trying to make mastectomies an outpatient procedure. Let's give women the chance to recover properly in the hospital for 2 days after surgery. This Mastectomy Bill is in Congress now. It takes 2 seconds to do this and is very important. Please take the time and do it really quick! The Breast Cancer Hospitalization Bill is important legislation for all women. Please send this to everyone in your address book. If there was ever a time when our voices and choices should be heard, this is one of those times. If you're receiving this, it's because I think you will take the 30 seconds to go to vote on this issue and send it on to others you know who will do the same. There's a bill called the Breast Cancer Patient Protection Act which will require insurance companies to cover a minimum 48-hour hospital stay for patients undergoing a mastectomy. It's about eliminating the 'drive-through mastectomy' where women are forced to go home just a few hours after surgery, against the wishes of their doctor, still groggy from anesthesia and sometimes with drainage tubes still attached. Lifetime Television has put this bill on their web page with a petition drive to show your support.. Last year over half the House signed on. PLEASE! Sign the petition by clicking on the web site below. You need not give more than your name and zip code number... http://www.mylifetime.com/my-lifetime-commitment/breast-cancer/petition/br east-cancer-petition This takes about 2 seconds. PLEASE PASS THIS ON to your 20 friends -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/0ed7ba6e/attachment.html From j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net Mon May 18 19:56:23 2009 From: j.h.lusk234 at sbcglobal.net (Helen Lusk) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Outstanding 3 minute ancient Hebrew meditation In-Reply-To: <855590370905181600r5199e313t8d6467148d94af5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <248003.1003.qm@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wonderful! Thanks, Hanoch. I am off to bed now, ? Larila tov, ? Helen --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Outstanding 3 minute ancient Hebrew meditation To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 7:00 PM >From Rav Lazer Brody, a wonderful 3 minute meditation, done to Cherokee music.? Rav Lazer says that the Cherokee have their roots in the Ten Lost Tribes.? With all due Kavod (respect), I suggest that they are either actually from the other side of the family - Judah; or, came to America with Phoenicians during the reign of Shlomo HaMelech (King Solomon).? In any case, I have personally long been drawn to the Cherokee, Scots and Welsh.? I wonder what THAT means for my DNA? ? ?? Enjoy it, it's amazing.... ?????????????????? Hanoch Stress-buster: 3-minute Ancient Hebrew Meditation It's unfortunate that so many people search the ends of the earth for some meaningful spirituality - a true, pure, and uncomplicated connection with The Almighty - when they're not even aware of their own fabulously rich spiritual heritage. People ask me if meditation is kosher; if it brings you to cling to Hashem, by all means. In case you don't know, meditation originated with our ancestors, the ancient Hebrews. Hebrew meditation is a form of "hitbodedut", or secluded personal prayer where a person yearns to cling to The Almighty with all his or her cognitive faculties, body, and soul. Nothing is so conducive to inner peace as merging with G-d, in the way that a small flame of a candle merges with and completely nullifies itself to a great flame. By meditation, we?communicate everything on our heart to Hashem, beginning with expressions of praise and gratitude. Then we do soul-searching, cleaning out those hidden cobwebs of past misdeeds that are liable to haunt us. The more we develop sensitivity and receptiveness by frequent daily hitbodedut, the more we are able to hear the soft flashes of Hashem's messages that illuminate our souls. The following film clip is a gift to you, my dearest brothers and sisters, wherever you are. In less than 4 minutes, it will magically uplift you from the depths of stress and worry. True spirituality is somewhat like popcorn or potato chips - you always want more. The music in this clip is Native American, composed by Grandmother White Eagle, esteemed elder of the Texas Cherokee nation and our very dear friend. Fiercely monotheistic, the Cherokee Nation has its roots in the ten lost tribes of Israel. The lovely native American melodies are therefore strikingly similar to the ancient Hebrew shepherds' flute, conveying a yearning to commune with God, as we see in this sea-side meditation based on the prayer "Nishmat" coupled with a Hebrew Tai-Chi style meditative exercise.? Feel free to forward this clip to someone you love.? ?Enjoy and?G-d bless. Click here: YouTube - "Nishmat": Ancient Hebrew Meditation at Sea _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/c0717c6e/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Mon May 18 21:33:13 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:33:13 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Outstanding 3 minute ancient Hebrew meditation In-Reply-To: <248003.1003.qm@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <855590370905181600r5199e313t8d6467148d94af5f@mail.gmail.com> <248003.1003.qm@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12BAB39140BC4973BD7E97907BFFA415@bettylaptop> Hmmm, if I am not mistaken, there is Cherokee on my mother's side! James has gone much more into our family roots than I have. Joe Good used to make comparisons between some of the ancient Indian rituals of the Cherokee and the Hebrew culture. He even lived among the Cherokee for a time up in Oklahoma. He has some very interesting stories. Now that would be an interesting topic, wouldn't it? I will have to listen to the music tomorrow as I am off to bed as well.something different for me this early! Laila tov, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Helen Lusk Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:56 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Outstanding 3 minute ancient Hebrew meditation Wonderful! Thanks, Hanoch. I am off to bed now, Larila tov, Helen --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Outstanding 3 minute ancient Hebrew meditation To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 7:00 PM >From Rav Lazer Brody, a wonderful 3 minute meditation, done to Cherokee music. Rav Lazer says that the Cherokee have their roots in the Ten Lost Tribes. With all due Kavod (respect), I suggest that they are either actually from the other side of the family - Judah; or, came to America with Phoenicians during the reign of Shlomo HaMelech (King Solomon). In any case, I have personally long been drawn to the Cherokee, Scots and Welsh. I wonder what THAT means for my DNA? Enjoy it, it's amazing.... Hanoch Stress-buster: 3-minute Ancient Hebrew Meditation It's unfortunate that so many people search the ends of the earth for some meaningful spirituality - a true, pure, and uncomplicated connection with The Almighty - when they're not even aware of their own fabulously rich spiritual heritage. People ask me if meditation is kosher; if it brings you to cling to Hashem, by all means. In case you don't know, meditation originated with our ancestors, the ancient Hebrews. Hebrew meditation is a form of "hitbodedut", or secluded personal prayer where a person yearns to cling to The Almighty with all his or her cognitive faculties, body, and soul. Nothing is so conducive to inner peace as merging with G-d, in the way that a small flame of a candle merges with and completely nullifies itself to a great flame. By meditation, we communicate everything on our heart to Hashem, beginning with expressions of praise and gratitude. Then we do soul-searching, cleaning out those hidden cobwebs of past misdeeds that are liable to haunt us. The more we develop sensitivity and receptiveness by frequent daily hitbodedut, the more we are able to hear the soft flashes of Hashem's messages that illuminate our souls. The following film clip is a gift to you, my dearest brothers and sisters, wherever you are. In less than 4 minutes, it will magically uplift you from the depths of stress and worry. True spirituality is somewhat like popcorn or potato chips - you always want more. The music in this clip is Native American, composed by Grandmother White Eagle, esteemed elder of the Texas Cherokee nation and our very dear friend. Fiercely monotheistic, the Cherokee Nation has its roots in the ten lost tribes of Israel. The lovely native American melodies are therefore strikingly similar to the ancient Hebrew shepherds' flute, conveying a yearning to commune with God, as we see in this sea-side meditation based on the prayer "Nishmat" coupled with a Hebrew Tai-Chi style meditative exercise. Feel free to forward this clip to someone you love. Enjoy and G-d bless. Click here: YouTube - "Nishmat": Ancient Hebrew Meditation at Sea _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With all due Kavod (respect), I suggest that they are either actually from the other side of the family - Judah; or, came to America with Phoenicians during the reign of Shlomo HaMelech (King Solomon). In any case, I have personally long been drawn to the Cherokee, Scots and Welsh. I wonder what THAT means for my DNA? Enjoy it, it's amazing.... Hanoch Stress-buster: 3-minute Ancient Hebrew Meditation It's unfortunate that so many people search the ends of the earth for some meaningful spirituality - a true, pure, and uncomplicated connection with The Almighty - when they're not even aware of their own fabulously rich spiritual heritage. People ask me if meditation is kosher; if it brings you to cling to Hashem, by all means. In case you don't know, meditation originated with our ancestors, the ancient Hebrews. Hebrew meditation is a form of "hitbodedut", or secluded personal prayer where a person yearns to cling to The Almighty with all his or her cognitive faculties, body, and soul. Nothing is so conducive to inner peace as merging with G-d, in the way that a small flame of a candle merges with and completely nullifies itself to a great flame. By meditation, we communicate everything on our heart to Hashem, beginning with expressions of praise and gratitude. Then we do soul-searching, cleaning out those hidden cobwebs of past misdeeds that are liable to haunt us. The more we develop sensitivity and receptiveness by frequent daily hitbodedut, the more we are able to hear the soft flashes of Hashem's messages that illuminate our souls. The following film clip is a gift to you, my dearest brothers and sisters, wherever you are. In less than 4 minutes, it will magically uplift you from the depths of stress and worry. True spirituality is somewhat like popcorn or potato chips - you always want more. The music in this clip is Native American, composed by Grandmother White Eagle, esteemed elder of the Texas Cherokee nation and our very dear friend. Fiercely monotheistic, the Cherokee Nation has its roots in the ten lost tribes of Israel. The lovely native American melodies are therefore strikingly similar to the ancient Hebrew shepherds' flute, conveying a yearning to commune with God, as we see in this sea-side meditation based on the prayer "Nishmat" coupled with a Hebrew Tai-Chi style meditative exercise. Feel free to forward this clip to someone you love. Enjoy and G-d bless. Click here: YouTube - "Nishmat": Ancient Hebrew Meditation at Sea ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What do you think? Shalom, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: susie getskow To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: [Dialogue] Temple Cornerstone http://www.thejerusalemgiftshop.com/israelnews/israel-news/83-israeli-news/1216-thirteen-ton-temple-corner-stone-to-be-presented-to-the-people-of-israel.html _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Susie --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Pamela Barbera wrote: From: Pamela Barbera Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Temple Cornerstone To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:10 PM Thank you Susie, it is interesting to read this. I do wonder if this 3rd temple will ever be built? It has seemed to be so long since I first heard about them breeding the Red heifers and having the priests robes ready. What do you think? 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090518/1a236990/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Mon May 18 23:21:49 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 00:21:49 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Digging Mount Zion Message-ID: <53862376-212C-4CC4-BF6C-2FA6D601144B@earthlink.net> Today I launched our "How to fund an archaeological Dig During a Recession" campaign. This has to do with our historic and amazing opportunity to dig this summer on Mt Zion. We are the only academic dig in all of Jerusalem. See http://jamestabor.com/2009/05/18/funding-a-dig-in-a-recession/ for details and "Pitch In" if you are so moved. Large or small, what counts is the momentum. If Obama could do it for his cause, we can do it for Mt Zion, you know, "not by power, nor by might..." I believe it will work! James Tabor From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Tue May 19 07:01:44 2009 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 07:01:44 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Petition In-Reply-To: <7346E01888F2450A8B1693980132784B@bettylaptop> References: <051820092014.21291.4A11C1A8000DE7BD0000532B22230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> <7346E01888F2450A8B1693980132784B@bettylaptop> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0905190501j4e6c6746l46ff4c832a761aed@mail.gmail.com> Thank you for letting us know. Kim On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Betty Givin wrote: > Signed it, thanks, Eliron, for the opportunity. > > > > Elisheva/Betty > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of * > carlson_john at bellsouth.net > *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2009 3:15 PM > *To:* Dialogue > *Subject:* [Dialogue] Petition > > > > A friend of mine who has had breast cancer sent this to me. It sounds like > a worthy cause. > > > > Proposed Mastectomy Law Change > > (written by a surgeon); > > I'll never forget the look in my patients eyes when I had to tell them > they had to go home with the drains, new exercises and no breast. I > remember begging the doctors to keep these women in the hospital longer, > only to hear that they would, but their hands were tied by the insurance > companies. > > So there I sat with my patient giving them the instructions they needed to > take care of themselves, knowing full well they didn't grasp half of what > I was saying, because the glazed, hopeless, frightened look spoke louder > than the quiet 'Thank you' they muttered. > > A mastectomy is when a woman's breast is removed in order to remove > cancerous breast cells/tissue. If you know anyone who has had a > mastectomy, you may know that there is a lot of discomfort and pain > afterwards. Insurance companies are trying to make mastectomies an > outpatient procedure. Let's give women the chance to recover properly in > the hospital for 2 days after surgery. > > This Mastectomy Bill is in Congress now. It takes 2 seconds to do this and > is very important. Please take the time and do it really quick! The Breast > Cancer Hospitalization Bill is important legislation for all women. > > Please send this to everyone in your address book. If there was ever a > time when our voices and choices should be heard, this is one of those > times. If you're receiving this, it's because I think you will take the 30 > seconds to go to vote on this issue and send it on to others you know who > will do the same. > > There's a bill called the Breast Cancer Patient Protection Act which will > require insurance companies to cover a minimum 48-hour hospital stay for > patients undergoing a mastectomy. It's about eliminating the > 'drive-through mastectomy' where women are forced to go home just a few > hours after surgery, against the wishes of their doctor, still groggy from > anesthesia and sometimes with drainage tubes still attached. > > Lifetime Television has put this bill on their web page with a petition > drive to show your support.. Last year over half the House signed on. > PLEASE! Sign the petition by clicking on the web site below. You need not > give more than your name and zip code number... > > http://www.mylifetime.com/my-lifetime-commitment/breast-cancer/petition/br > east-cancer-petition > > > This takes about 2 seconds. PLEASE PASS THIS ON to your 20 friends > > -- > Eliron/John. > > "Be excellent to each other!" > Bill and Ted > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Outstanding 3 minute ancient Hebrew meditation Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:00:49 -0700 Size: 10510 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090519/3c8d713d/attachment.eml From youngbarzel at gmail.com Tue May 19 07:40:21 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 05:40:21 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] Outstanding 3 minute ancient Hebrew meditation] In-Reply-To: <4A12A6B9.1070308@westnet.com.au> References: <4A12A6B9.1070308@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <855590370905190540p73c9aae1oe4340253888b0263@mail.gmail.com> Hey Joe - Any chance you could video me, on the beach anywhere near the Gold Coast of Oz?!?! Coming from Israel, it would only be half the distance from the Big Bad Apple. I can't inspire like Rav Lazer, but I sure can be entertaining! But in all seriousness, the sun is indeed setting for the West, and B'Ezrat HaShem (With G-d's help), I'll have a front row seat!! And no, we won't throw any gefilte fish on the barbie... * Hanoch * On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:31 AM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > *Shalom Hanoch, > > nothing more inspirational than watching Rav Brody doing hitbodedut during > sunset at Ashdod beach. > > The sun is setting on the great sea, the Mediterranean Sea, the western > gentile nations. > > But the sun will soon dawn on Am Yisrael. > > Thanks Achi. > > b'Ahavat Yehudah v'Yisrael > JOE. > * > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Hanoch Young > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:00:49 -0700 > Subject: [Dialogue] Outstanding 3 minute ancient Hebrew meditation > >From Rav Lazer Brody, a wonderful 3 minute meditation, done to *Cherokee > music*. Rav Lazer says that the Cherokee have their roots in the Ten Lost > Tribes. With all due Kavod (respect), I suggest that they are either > actually from the other side of the family - Judah; or, came to America with > Phoenicians during the reign of Shlomo HaMelech (King Solomon). In any > case, I have personally long been drawn to the Cherokee, Scots and Welsh. I > wonder what THAT means for my DNA? > Enjoy it, it's amazing.... > * Hanoch* > Stress-buster: 3-minute Ancient Hebrew Meditation > > It's unfortunate that so many people search the ends of the earth for some > meaningful spirituality - a true, pure, and uncomplicated connection with > The Almighty - when they're not even aware of their own fabulously rich > spiritual heritage. > > People ask me if meditation is kosher; if it brings you to cling to Hashem, > by all means. In case you don't know, meditation originated with our > ancestors, the ancient Hebrews. > > Hebrew meditation is a form of "hitbodedut", or secluded personal prayer > where a person yearns to cling to The Almighty with all his or her cognitive > faculties, body, and soul. Nothing is so conducive to inner peace as merging > with G-d, in the way that a small flame of a candle merges with and > completely nullifies itself to a great flame. > > By meditation, we communicate everything on our heart to Hashem, beginning > with expressions of praise and gratitude. Then we do soul-searching, > cleaning out those hidden cobwebs of past misdeeds that are liable to haunt > us. The more we develop sensitivity and receptiveness by frequent daily > hitbodedut, the more we are able to hear the soft flashes of Hashem's > messages that illuminate our souls. > > The following film clip is a gift to you, my dearest brothers and sisters, > wherever you are. In less than 4 minutes, it will magically uplift you from > the depths of stress and worry. True spirituality is somewhat like popcorn > or potato chips - you always want more. > > The music in this clip is Native American, composed by Grandmother White > Eagle, esteemed elder of the Texas Cherokee nation and our very dear friend. > Fiercely monotheistic, the Cherokee Nation has its roots in the ten lost > tribes of Israel. The lovely native American melodies are therefore > strikingly similar to the ancient Hebrew shepherds' flute, conveying a > yearning to commune with God, as we see in this sea-side meditation based on > the prayer "Nishmat" coupled with a Hebrew Tai-Chi style meditative > exercise. Feel free to forward this clip to someone you love. Enjoy > and G-d bless. > Click here: YouTube - "Nishmat": Ancient Hebrew Meditation at Sea > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090519/e4737c2e/attachment.html From creechmargie at yahoo.com Tue May 19 07:43:49 2009 From: creechmargie at yahoo.com (Margie Creech) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 05:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] Outstanding 3 minute ancient Hebrew meditation] Message-ID: <77445.85180.qm@web58503.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Oh please do a video!? I would love to see?Hanoch dancing around on the beach?and I'm sure it would be a real inspiration to everyone. lol ? Margie --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Dialogue] Outstanding 3 minute ancient Hebrew meditation] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 7:40 AM Hey Joe - ? ?? Any chance you could video me, on the beach anywhere near the Gold Coast of Oz?!?!? Coming from Israel, it would only be half the distance from the Big Bad Apple. ? ?? I can't inspire like Rav Lazer, but I sure can be entertaining! ? ??? But in all seriousness, the sun is indeed setting for the West, and B'Ezrat HaShem (With G-d's help), I'll have a front row seat!! ? ?? And no, we won't throw any gefilte fish on the barbie... ???????????????????? Hanoch On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:31 AM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: Shalom Hanoch, nothing more inspirational than watching Rav Brody doing hitbodedut during sunset at Ashdod beach. The sun is setting on the great sea, the Mediterranean Sea, the western gentile nations. But the sun will soon dawn on Am Yisrael. Thanks Achi. b'Ahavat Yehudah v'Yisrael JOE. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From:?Hanoch Young To:?dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date:?Mon, 18 May 2009 16:00:49 -0700 Subject:?[Dialogue] Outstanding 3 minute ancient Hebrew meditation >From Rav Lazer Brody, a wonderful 3 minute meditation, done to Cherokee music.? Rav Lazer says that the Cherokee have their roots in the Ten Lost Tribes.? With all due Kavod (respect), I suggest that they are either actually from the other side of the family - Judah; or, came to America with Phoenicians during the reign of Shlomo HaMelech (King Solomon).? In any case, I have personally long been drawn to the Cherokee, Scots and Welsh.? I wonder what THAT means for my DNA? ? ?? Enjoy it, it's amazing.... ?????????????????? Hanoch Stress-buster: 3-minute Ancient Hebrew Meditation It's unfortunate that so many people search the ends of the earth for some meaningful spirituality - a true, pure, and uncomplicated connection with The Almighty - when they're not even aware of their own fabulously rich spiritual heritage. People ask me if meditation is kosher; if it brings you to cling to Hashem, by all means. In case you don't know, meditation originated with our ancestors, the ancient Hebrews. Hebrew meditation is a form of "hitbodedut", or secluded personal prayer where a person yearns to cling to The Almighty with all his or her cognitive faculties, body, and soul. Nothing is so conducive to inner peace as merging with G-d, in the way that a small flame of a candle merges with and completely nullifies itself to a great flame. By meditation, we?communicate everything on our heart to Hashem, beginning with expressions of praise and gratitude. Then we do soul-searching, cleaning out those hidden cobwebs of past misdeeds that are liable to haunt us. The more we develop sensitivity and receptiveness by frequent daily hitbodedut, the more we are able to hear the soft flashes of Hashem's messages that illuminate our souls. The following film clip is a gift to you, my dearest brothers and sisters, wherever you are. In less than 4 minutes, it will magically uplift you from the depths of stress and worry. True spirituality is somewhat like popcorn or potato chips - you always want more. The music in this clip is Native American, composed by Grandmother White Eagle, esteemed elder of the Texas Cherokee nation and our very dear friend. Fiercely monotheistic, the Cherokee Nation has its roots in the ten lost tribes of Israel. The lovely native American melodies are therefore strikingly similar to the ancient Hebrew shepherds' flute, conveying a yearning to commune with God, as we see in this sea-side meditation based on the prayer "Nishmat" coupled with a Hebrew Tai-Chi style meditative exercise.? Feel free to forward this clip to someone you love.? ?Enjoy and?G-d bless. Click here: YouTube - "Nishmat": Ancient Hebrew Meditation at Sea _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Hanoch Young Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Dialogue] Outstanding 3 minute ancient Hebrew meditation] Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 05:40:21 -0700 Size: 13990 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090519/dbd2966a/attachment.eml From beartrm at yahoo.com Tue May 19 09:04:09 2009 From: beartrm at yahoo.com (susan strickland) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 07:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] Temple Cornerstone Message-ID: <585303.31199.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is there any chance that we can view the ceremony live online.? Susan --- On Mon, 5/18/09, susie getskow wrote: From: susie getskow Subject: [Dialogue] Temple Cornerstone To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 7:57 PM http://www.thejerusalemgiftshop.com/israelnews/israel-news/83-israeli-news/1216-thirteen-ton-temple-corner-stone-to-be-presented-to-the-people-of-israel.html -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090519/6a059dd8/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Tue May 19 09:21:16 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 07:21:16 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Temple Cornerstone In-Reply-To: <996331.80580.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <996331.80580.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <855590370905190721o7acf30bdq6474b4af75ea2dbf@mail.gmail.com> Hi Susie - Yes, it is indeed the very SAME cornerstone that they parade around every, single year...it is NOT a serious attempt at *anything*. Although I have worked with several of the groups involved in restoring the Har HaBayit (Temple Mount) to Jewish Control, I am not a fan of the 'Temple Mount Faithful' - Gershon Solomon's group. They do these 'publicity' actions, but nothing of a practical sense to restore either Jewish prayer to the Har HaBayit, or preparing for the rebuilding of the Beit HaMikdash (Holy Temple). The one thing he excels at though, is fundraising - particularly from Non-Jewish groups in America. * Hanoch * On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:55 PM, susie getskow wrote: > Is this the same cornerstone they have been carrying around before? > > --- On *Mon, 5/18/09, susie getskow * wrote: > > > From: susie getskow > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Temple Cornerstone > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:41 PM > > > Hey Pamela, > > Welcome to the group! Yes it will be built and on this I think we will all > agree. The question is when. I thought is was interesting that they are > bringing out the trumpets. The article does not say where the conerstone > came from? > > Susie > > --- On *Mon, 5/18/09, Pamela Barbera * wrote: > > > From: Pamela Barbera > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Temple Cornerstone > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:10 PM > > Thank you Susie, it is interesting to read this. I do wonder if this 3rd > temple will ever be built? It has seemed to be so long since I first heard > about them breeding the Red heifers and having the priests robes ready. What > do you think? > Shalom, > Pamela > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* susie getskow > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:57 AM > *Subject:* [Dialogue] Temple Cornerstone > > * > http://www.thejerusalemgiftshop.com/israelnews/israel-news/83-israeli-news/1216-thirteen-ton-temple-corner-stone-to-be-presented-to-the-people-of-israel.html > * > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is everyone in your town as ugly as your are??? The man replied; ?I do not know, but go and tell the craftsman who made me, ?How ugly is the vessel which you have made.??? When Rabbi Eleazer realized that he had sinned he dismounted from the donkey and prostrated himself before the man and said to him, ?I submit myself to you, forgive me!? ? Susie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090519/27abf8dc/attachment.html From beartrm at yahoo.com Tue May 19 13:31:34 2009 From: beartrm at yahoo.com (susan strickland) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] NETANYAHU - OBAMA. Message-ID: <661008.5336.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It seems infathomable that Netanyahu never mentions the fact that they have already given the Palestians land.? And look what happened (Hamas) took it away from.? How much more land do the Arabs have than Israel.? Why don't they come up with some for them.? I don't understand why they don't show historically and biblically why the Palestians have never had their own land.? It would be nice for someone to show a little logic in their thinking,? Iknow HaShem is in control but a little logical and spriritual thinking would be nice. Susan --- On Tue, 5/19/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Dialogue] NETANYAHU - OBAMA. To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 9:41 AM Shalom Chaverim, Mr Obama you must be kidding ????? "Words mean nothing just action" You must be out of your mind. Sinai, Gush Katif, Shomrom......... how much more action do you want !!!!!! How about leaning just that little bit harder on the sultans of spin, the Arabs!!!! They are the masters of words and broken promises. Only fools who live in glass palaces throw stones. You and your predecessors, Bush, Clinton and co...... Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin. The writing is on the wall. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb6laSRdas4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fshiratdevorah.blogspot.com%2F&feature=player_embedded Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090519/954363f5/attachment.html From jid at westnet.com.au Tue May 19 16:48:56 2009 From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:48:56 +1000 Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] Parable] Message-ID: <4A132948.6090709@westnet.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/fe8b40d5/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: susie getskow Subject: [Dialogue] Parable Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Size: 7950 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/fe8b40d5/attachment.eml From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Tue May 19 19:27:59 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 00:27:59 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] NETANYAHU - OBAMA. In-Reply-To: <4A12C510.4090904@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <052020090027.2560.4A134E8F0000932900000A0022230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Smoke and mirrors. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from JOE INDOMENICO : -------------- Shalom Chaverim, Mr Obama you must be kidding ????? "Words mean nothing just action" You must be out of your mind. Sinai, Gush Katif, Shomrom......... how much more action do you want !!!!!! How about leaning just that little bit harder on the sultans of spin, the Arabs!!!! They are the masters of words and broken promises. Only fools who live in glass palaces throw stones. You and your predecessors, Bush, Clinton and co...... Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin. The writing is on the wall. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb6laSRdas4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fshiratdevorah.blogspot.com%2F&feature=player_embedded Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you scalp some front row tickets . I will pay anything to be there. Make sure you can get those 3D vision glasses. But ..... come to STRAYAH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEeq5qGh8I And.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsKE8_GkXI&feature=related BUT GIVE ME ISRAEL ANY DAY ANYTIME !!!!! b'Ahavat Yehudah v'Yisrael JOE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/976898f6/attachment.html From injullee2002 at yahoo.com Tue May 19 21:44:44 2009 From: injullee2002 at yahoo.com (injullee2002 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Behar-Bechukosai.mp3 (audio/mpeg Object)]] Message-ID: <446620.93085.qm@web35506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Joe, Thank you?so much for you kind wards and?most encouraging note.. "It meant a great deal to me"?? I sincerely appreciated and look forward to learn "the Zohar"from you.. (The Tikune Ha?Zohar=70 faces?reveal the secrets of the Torah in concealment(Z"A)..I'm hunger to lean more. ? I'm very sorry.. My apologies for not having responded sooner.??SHALOM..?? ?????????????????? Adayah ? ? ? ? ? ? --- On Mon, 5/18/09, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: From: JOE INDOMENICO Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] Behar-Bechukosai.mp3 (audio/mpeg Object)]] To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 3:31 AM Shalom Helen, thank you very much for giving a short overview on Adayah. She is blessed to have a true friend in you. I am constantly standing in awe of HaShem and how He is magnificently orchestrating the network of people from various nations and religious backgrounds into this incredible family unit. Adayah is on a journey that many of us have taken that is akin to diving off the edge of a pool into deep water. I encourage her in her quest and dedication in obtaining the Truth of Torah. I admire her zeal in reaching out towards the Jewish people and her tenacity in delving further into the unfathomable depths of Torah. The Zohar and the Misnah are intrinsic elements of the Torah. I have found them to be of extreme value in helping me obtain a deeper understanding of HaShem's treasures. It has always fascinated me how Avraham and Yitzchak were the well diggers. Once the wells were dug they were overtaken by the peoples of the area. The sages teach that the Avot were responsible for digging the well springs and bringing the deeper meanings of Torah to the surface. There has always been evidence that these truths were overtaken by the various religions of the world. But respect where respect is due. The Rabbis and Sages have been the custodians of these revelations down throughout history. Baruch HaShem , they are accessible to us today. Adayah is fortunate that she has an Orthodox Rabbi to help her along the way to full conversion which B'Ezrat HaShem, will culminate in her much yearned and cherished Aliyah. I wonder how many other South Koreans have ventured this far. Adayah could well be a first. Nothing surprises me these days. I pray that HaShem continues to draw Adayah with chords of love and satiates her constant hunger and thirst. Finally, how are Rudy and Linda doing? I am praying that Rudy is on the road to a complete recovery. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090519/5d5fe03e/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Tue May 19 22:16:25 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:16:25 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Longing for Beit Hamikdash.... Message-ID: <855590370905192016t314c0c1lcb789792b2a32ceb@mail.gmail.com> >From Rav Lazer Brody....I added the video clip from a previous posting of his - it's the Bracha (blessing) that the Cohanim have always sung. Make we all merit to have the strength and courage to build the Beit HaMikdash, NOW! * Hanoch* Longing for Beit Hamikdash You can feel it in the air, here in Israel. It defies words, but something is happening. The scent of Geula and Moshiach is in the air; it's subtle still, but if a person can't smell it, he really needs an ear, nose, and throat specialist. Rina from Los Angeles sent me a very special email earlier today: "*I dreamed that I was on a cattle car with a bunch of other Jews from our synagogue, and they were taking us to a concentration camp somewhere in the Nevada desert. All of a sudden you appeared, Rabbi Lazer. You unlocked the door and started pulling people off the train. You yelled, "There's no time to lose, either jump now or die!" You extended your arm to me, motioning for me to approach the door. I was so afraid. You whispered, "Jump, Rina!" I did, and when I opened my eyes, I was at the Kotel in Jerusalem. The Levites were singing the Hallel for Rosh Chodesh..." * Francis from Singapore also had a dream two nights ago, where he saw me talking about Rosh Chodesh. Dreams notwithstanding, we long for our Holy Temple, the Beit HaMikdash. Click here: YouTube - Shlomo Katz and Rabbi Lazer Brody: The Priestly Blessing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090519/65c12f6e/attachment.html From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 19 22:45:16 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:45:16 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Flourishing like a Palm Tree References: <4A12C66E.8090304@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: How true. Even our time can be used to help those who dont have the knowledge we have, to grow and prosper spiritually Joe, just like you are doing, Kol Tov, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: JOE INDOMENICO To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:47 AM Subject: [Dialogue] Flourishing like a Palm Tree Flourishing like a Palm Tree "Draw the tribe of Levi close..." [Bamidbar 3:6] The Midrash connects this verse with the statement in Psalms "The righteous man flourishes like a palm tree" [Psalms 92:13] Why are the Levites compared to a palm tree? The answer is emphasized in the second half of the verse - "he grows tall like a cedar in Lebanon". A person could be righteous in one of two ways: a) A cedar is strong, tall and beautiful, but it bears no fruit. This corresponds to a person who studies Torah and observes mitzvos primarily for his own personal spiritual growth. b) The Levites however are praised as being like a palm tree which, while not as tall and strong as the cedar, bears sweet delicious fruit - analogous to a person who is willing to sacrifice some of the time which he could have used for his own personal spiritual growth for the sake of helping others. And this is the path which has been encouraged by Chassidic thought for all Jews. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/e8d74bfa/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 50338 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/e8d74bfa/attachment.jpe From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 19 23:13:12 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:13:12 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession References: <246720.16077.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Kim and all women of this dialogue group, my daughter sent this to me today, and I thought it might be an encouragement to you all.(disregard the bits you dont agree with as always) Shalom, Pamela The Invisible Mother...... It all began to make sense, the blank stares, the lack of response, theway one of the kids will walk into the room while I'm on the phone andask to be taken to the shopping centre. Inside I'm thinking, 'Can't you see I'm onthe phone?' Obviously, not. No one can see if I'm on the phone, or cooking, or sweeping the floor,or even standing on my head in the corner, because no one can see me atall. I'm invisible. The invisible Mum. Some days I am only a pair ofhands, nothing more: Can you fix this? Can you tie this? & Can you openthis? Some days I'm not a pair of hands; I'm not even a human being. I'm aclock to ask, 'What time is it?'; I'm a satellite guide to answer,'What number is the Disney Channel?' I'm a car to order, 'Pick me up around 5:30, please.' One night, a group of us were having dinner, celebrating the return of afriend from England . Janice had just gotten back from a fabulous trip, and she was going onand on about the hotel she stayed in. I was sitting there, lookingaround at the others all put together so well. It was hard not tocompare and feel sorry for myself. I was feeling pretty pathetic, whenJanice turned to me with a beautifully wrapped package, and said, 'Ibrought you this.' It was a book on the great cathedrals of Europe . I wasn't exactly sure why she'd given it to me until I read herinscription: 'To Charlotte , with admiration for the greatness of what you arebuilding when no one sees.' In the days ahead I would read - no, devour - the book. And I woulddiscover what would become for me, four life-changing truths, afterwhich I could pattern my work: No one can say who built the great cathedrals - we have no record oftheir names. These builders gave their whole lives for a work they would never seefinished. They made great sacrifices and expected no credit. The passion of their building was fuelled by their faith that the eyes ofGod saw everything. A legendary story in the book told of a rich man who came to visit thecathedral while it was being built, and he saw a workman carving a tinybird on the inside of a beam. He was puzzled and asked the man, 'Whyare you spending so much time carving that bird into a beam that will becovered by the roof? No one will ever see it.' And the workmanreplied, 'Because God sees.' I closed the book, feeling the missing piece fall into place. It wasalmost as if I heard God whispering to me, 'I see you, Charlotte . I seethe sacrifices you make every day, even when no one around you does. Noact of kindness you've done, no sequin you've sewn on, no cupcake you'vebaked, is too small for me to notice and smile over. You are building agreat cathedral, but you can't see right now what it will become.' At times, my invisibility feels like an affliction. But it is not adisease that is erasing my life. It is the cure for the disease of myown self-centeredness. It is the antidote to my strong, stubborn pride. I keep the right perspective when I see myself as a great builder. Asone of the people who show up at a job that they will never seefinished, to work on something that their name will never be on. When I really think about it, I don't want my children to tell thefriend they invite for Christmas, 'My Mum gets up at 4 in the morning and bakes homemade pies, and then she hand bastesa turkey for three hours and presses all the tablecloths for the table.'That would mean I'd built a shrine or a monument to myself. I just wanther to want to come home. And then, if there is anything more to say toher friend, to add, 'you're gonna love it there.' As mothers, we are building great cathedrals. We cannot see if we'redoing it right. And one day, it is very possible that the world willmarvel, not only at what we have built, but at the beauty that has beenadded to the world by the sacrifices of invisible women. Great Job, MUM! Share this with all the Invisible Mums you know... I just did . Wow, Ireally needed this, I hope this brings warmth to your heart today too.Hope this encourages you when the going gets tough as it sometimes does.We never know what our finished products will turn out to be because ofour perseverance. ----- Original Message ----- From: susan strickland To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Kim, I am a mom too who made mistakes but my children are young adults now. You will not believe what a difference it makes in your relationship with your children once they have passed the difficult years of youth. I just finished reading the daily omer for today. If you will go to www.meaningfullife.com and read it I think it will speak to your heart in your present situation. Isn't Hashem awesome in His timing. Shalom, Susan From: Dave Cole Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 8:16 PM Hang in there Kim.....we will be praying. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: kim alvarado To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Hello all, It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. I am being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. I wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump back into more dialog. 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Parliamentary Speaker Reuven Rivlen was equally critical, saying he did not attend the Yad Vashem ceremony "just to hear historic descriptions or the fact that the Holocaust took place. I came as a Jew wishing to hear a request for forgiveness from those who caused our tragedy, and these include the Germans and the Church, but regretfully, I heard nothing of this." "All you had to do was to express regret. That's all we wanted to hear," wrote a columnist Hanoch Daum. It was expected that the first visit by Pope Benedict would ease Jewish anger over Pope's decision in January to overturn the excommunication of a Holocaust-denying bishop. Jewish leaders are upset at the speech's failure to mention the toll of Jews in the Holocaust. The Pope referred to "millions" rather than six million and used the word "killed" rather than murdered. A Yad Vashem official, Avner Shalev, said "this is certainly no historical landmark". Israeli historian Tom Segev wrote: "There is nothing easier than expressing real horror when talking about the Holocaust than identifying with its suffering, pain and grief. If that is not done, it is a sign there was a deliberate decision not to do so." (But from the moment Pope Benedict stepped onto Jewish soil his message was quite deliberate and disrespectful toward Israel, calling for the creation of a new state on Jewish land for the fake nation: "both peoples may live in peace in a homeland of their own". Later, he failed to condemn or confess the criminal silence and complicity of the Church and Christians in Holocaust!) Enemies Must Leave Israel. 69% Arab citizens of Israel reject the country's right to exist as a Jewish state and nearly half reject Israel's right to any independence whatsoever. As many as 40.5 percent of Israeli Arab believe that the Holocaust never happened. Coverage from Iran. Pope Benedict, who went to the West Bank on Wednesday, said a mini Palestinian state could be set up on a small part of the Zionist-usurped land of Palestine. He also issued a vague call for an end to Israel's embargo on the Gaza Strip. In Bethlehem, the leader of the catholic sect of Christianity met the self-styled President of the so-called Self-Rule Authority , Mahmoud Abbas. The Pope did not bother to meet any representatives of the popularly elected Hamas-run government. (and some people criticize me for being 'tough' with words :) Obama-Netanyahu Meeting. Netanyahu said: "We don't want to govern the Palestinians. We want them to govern themselves". Obama called for a "two-state solution" - I also support the two-state solution, but not on Jewish land, it is called: Sinai Option: Road to Permanent Peace! Quote of the Week: "There is a belief in some quarters that if only you can resolve the problems between Israel and Palestine, all the other problems in the Middle East, in a domino-like fashion, will fall into place. That is absolute nonsense." - Liam Fox, Member of UK Parliament, Shadow Secretary of State for Defence - Surprisingly, someone is honest in the British political establishment! International Bigots are Pressuring Israel. Upgrading Israel's relations with the European Union is dependent upon the peace process with the Palestinian Authority and implementing the two-state solution, said EU envoy to Israel Ramiro Cibrian-Uzal. U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden said that Israel should back a two-state peace agreement and stop constructing new settlements in Yehuda and Samaria. Syria is in a 'Peace' Game. 1) Syria has continued to transfer advanced weaponry to the Hizbullah terrorist group, even while working with the United States to improve relations. Syria seeks to raise Hizbullah's strength and capabilities to a level beyond what it had prior to the Second Lebanon War in July 2006. Such capabilities would enable Hizbullah to force a second front on Israel in case of a regional conflagration. 2) Israel must commit to returning the Golan Heights before Syria is willing to resume indirect peace negotiations brokered by Turkey, Syria's new ambassador to Turkey Nadil Kabalan announced. (Israel's response must be "Syria must end sponsoring terrorism and recognise the Jewish State, Eretz-Israel, in its entirety then we talk.") 3) Syrian President Bashar Assad believes that the peace of the Golan Heights is a condition for peace talks between his country and Israel, but at the same time does not foresee such negotiations happening in the near future. (Good! Let's postpone talks with Syria until "pigs fly".) Concern? - 4 Months too Late. Last week President Barack Obama urged both sides in Sri Lanka's 25-year civil war to take measures to avert a humanitarian crisis and aid tens of thousands of people trapped in the war zone. The U.N. Security Council held its first formal session on Sri Lanka and voiced grave concern over civilian deaths in the conflict. (No 'urgency', resolutions or strong condemnation. After all, there are no Jews involved!) There Are no Arab "Moderates." The universal goal of the Arab world is the destruction of America, Israel and Western civilization. The clever Arabs who pretend to be "moderate" when speaking to naive Christians and Jews are far more dangerous than the less clever Arabs who honestly and openly proclaim their Nazi genocidal goals. During Sadat's historic visit to Jerusalem on November 19, 1977 wearing contemptuous tie with swastikas patterned as a sign of disrespect to Jewish state and the Camp David agreement. Another Symptomatic 'Technical Error'. British airline BMI did not identify Israel on in-flight maps on its London-Tel Aviv service. The moving maps marked Islamic holy sites but showed only the city of Haifa in Israel, identified by its Arabic name, Khefa. Israeli transport ministry Director General Gideon Sitterman, said it was "unacceptable" that Israel had been "wiped off the map". Quote of the Week: "We are being criticized by a new flow of left-wingers (and by international anti-Semitic bigotry). Those people, instead of building Israel as a sovereign state, want to give up our interests and national assets for totally foreign ideas." - Foreign Minister of Israel Avidgor Lieberman. Solar Farm in Israel. Israeli scientists have discovered a way to harvest 50 percent of the sun's radiation, compared with the standard 10 percent. The technology has been put into use in the creation of the world's first commercial thermal-electric solar farm. World Leaders Must Drop Slogans. Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman kicked off a four-nation European tour by saying, "This government does not intend to produce slogans and pompous declarations but concrete results." the "main problem" in the Middle East is "Iran, which is going nuclear and is a destabilizing factor for the region and the entire world." The 'Palestinian' issue is "deadlocked" despite the best efforts of a series of dovish Israeli governments. "Israel has proved its good intentions, our desire for peace." Iran Must be Stopped. The world's intelligence agencies and defence experts are quietly acknowledging that North Korea has become a full nuclear power, with the capacity to wipe out entire cities in Japan and South Korea. North Korea has miniaturised nuclear warheads to the extent they can be launched on medium-range missiles. "North Korea has nuclear weapons, which is a matter of fact," IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei said. ( This international failure is a direct result of ineffective negotiations, unenforceable economic sanctions and empty threats which are now being used against Iran with the same results!) Do it, but not in Israel. Deputy (MK) Alex Miller from the Israel Beitenou Party, for people of Soviet Union origin, has submitted a draft law that would outlaw the celebration of the Naqba by Israeli Arabs. It would be punishable by up to three years in jail. "Those who want to support our enemies will do so from Gaza" (Compulsory deportation with the loss of Israeli citizenship would be a better punishment.) Anti-Semitism: Religion of Power and Greed! by Steven Shamrak Contrary to common belief, the foundation of anti-Semitism was laid not by Christianity but during the Roman empire. Prevailing discrimination against Jews started during the Roman empire because Judea and Samaria were its most rebellious provinces and considered Jews atheists as they believed in one god only. Those who have read the New Testament closely and studied the political and religious situation in the Roman-occupied Jewish provinces of Judea and Samaria know that area was inflamed by rebellion against occupation. Religiously and politically motivated rebels, the Zealots, were the leading force of the Jewish resistance. Studying the actions of Jesus described in the Christian Bible, rather than the politically motivated commentaries of the writers, it would be easy to come to the conclusion that the Jesus' group was, most likely, part of the resistance! ...Even 60 years after Israel's declaration of independence, this plague of anti-Semitism is still prevailing and spreading. It has moved to the Muslim world and Africa. Almost 60% of all resolutions of the United Nations adopted since 1948 are against Israel. No other country is disallowed to defend itself and stop the suffering of its own people from enemy terror like Israel. The Jewish principles of "Love", "Forgiveness" or "Repentance" of sins, which were adopted by Christianity, have never been applied by mainstream Christianity toward Jews! But greed for the wealth of others and thirst for power, in order to control and keep the general population in fear, were always the driving factors behind anti-Semitism! Even now the words of the Nazi propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, are still applicable to the international anti-Israel hypocrisy: "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie." (full article) Dear Readers, this independent publication needs your Support! Please, use PayPal (incl Visa or MC) - $18, $26, $36, $60, $180 Visit our website for more information. You are welcome to use its link or articles and letters on your website, FaceBook, YouTube and other profiles. NOTE: Dear readers this editorial letter is distributed to educate people about facts of Arab-Israel conflict. If you would like to be removed from this mail list, please Reply with the word "Unsubscribe" on the Subject line at any time. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/0ed23e8a/attachment.html From bkgivin at charter.net Wed May 20 05:43:12 2009 From: bkgivin at charter.net (Betty Givin) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 05:43:12 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: References: <246720.16077.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Pamela, This was especially beautiful and I thank you so much for sharing. Please tell you daughter thank you as well. She must be special to have had the insight to share this with you. As a mother of three beautiful daughters (inside and out), a wonderful step-daughter, a step-son, 16 grandchildren and one great-grandchild, I can so relate to this email on so many levels. I would like to say "Amein" to the ideas set forth in this article and offer a few additional words of encouragement to all of you mothers on the list. There were many times, when my girls were growing up, that I felt "invisible." And sometimes even now.and this is my confession. when I am feeling down by the circumstances surrounding me, (including not being able to get a job) .in fact, I feel pretty much worthless.as though I have nothing else major to accomplish in my life.that feeling comes back to me again. I have to really fight hard and not let it overtake me because it is destructive and detrimental, and I know that it is not true.I know that I am not worthless, that I have been richly blessed by a beautiful family and friends that love me and care about what happens to me. And even more so, I know that HaShem has seen my efforts and the life I have built, with His help, for myself and for my children and grandchildren. Motherhood is indeed a blessing.it often seems like a "thankless' role. As we have our babies and watch them grow into adolescence, the dependency that they had on us to kiss their scraped knees, wipe away their tears, put them to bed every night with prayers and hugs and kisses, is often replaced with a desire on their part to "distance" themselves from us. Of course they still need us to taxi them around, cook dinner, buy clothes and all kinds of other stuff.as we continue to sacrifice ourselves and our time to accommodate them and their schedules, it seems that they don't really care about what we do for them.in fact as the article states below, it appears that we do become more and more "invisible" in their eyes as human beings in our own right In fact, I have a humorous little story to share along those lines. One of my daughters who will go unnamed, would continually tell me that I just "never heard" her, that I just "never understood" her and that I just never "saw" her point in a disagreement. I finally got tired of hearing this tirade over and over, so I decided to make a joke and confessed to being deaf, dumb and blind in her eyes! I thought maybe a little humor might ease some of the tension, but it went over like a lead balloon. Of course now that she and her sisters are grown and have children of their own, and we can laugh about it now. All of those feelings of "distance" and resentment are gone and I am very thankful to say that I now have a very wonderful and close relationship with each of my girls.In fact, for Mother's Day I received a very sweet little decorator pillow with Proverbs 31:28 inscribed on it."Her children shall rise up and call her blessed." Looking back, I remember the pain of childbirth and the even deeper pain and anguish that comes from sacrificing and doing all you can and trying with all your heart to raise your children "in the way they should go," and the feelings of rejection and failure that often try to creep in your heart and take a foothold. I know that I made mistakes in raising my children, yet, Baruch HaShem, He is compassionate and forgiving and was there beside me, even within me, encouraging me all the way. And I can honestly and truly say that every bit of pain and hurt that I felt was worth the blessings that have come of it. I was able to continue steadfastly loving my children because of the love He had for me.and although many times I felt "invisible" to them in their growing up years, I was never "invisible" to Him. He saw the life that I was "building" I believe that in the Hebrew, there is a correlation between the word "build" and the word "children." According to a rabbinical teaching that I heard years ago, this is no accident. I think they share the same root or at least a portion of the same root. If you look at Gen. 29:3, it is interesting to note the terminology. Raquel, who was unable to bear a child, gives her handmaiden Bilhah to Yaaqov so that she (Raquel) will be "built up" from her; Dan is born as a result. I wish I could remember more. Maybe someone else is aware of this significance and can add more to the picture. Again, Pamela, thanks for this meaningful and encouraging email. L'Shalom v'Brachot, (with love and blessings) Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Pamela Barbera Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:13 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Dear Kim and all women of this dialogue group, my daughter sent this to me today, and I thought it might be an encouragement to you all.(disregard the bits you dont agree with as always) Shalom, Pamela The Invisible Mother...... It all began to make sense, the blank stares, the lack of response, theway one of the kids will walk into the room while I'm on the phone and ask to be taken to the shopping centre. Inside I'm thinking, 'Can't you see I'm on the phone?' Obviously, not. No one can see if I'm on the phone, or cooking, or sweeping the floor, or even standing on my head in the corner, because no one can see me at all. I'm invisible. The invisible Mum. Some days I am only a pair of hands, nothing more: Can you fix this? Can you tie this? & Can you open this? Some days I'm not a pair of hands; I'm not even a human being. I'm a clock to ask, 'What time is it?'; I'm a satellite guide to answer, 'What number is the Disney Channel?' I'm a car to order, 'Pick me up around 5:30, please.' One night, a group of us were having dinner, celebrating the return of a friend from England . Janice had just gotten back from a fabulous trip, and she was going on and on about the hotel she stayed in. I was sitting there, looking around at the others all put together so well. It was hard not to compare and feel sorry for myself. I was feeling pretty pathetic, when Janice turned to me with a beautifully wrapped package, and said, 'I brought you this.' It was a book on the great cathedrals of Europe . I wasn't exactly sure why she'd given it to me until I read her inscription: 'To Charlotte , with admiration for the greatness of what you are building when no one sees.' In the days ahead I would read - no, devour - the book. And I would discover what would become for me, four life-changing truths, after which I could pattern my work: No one can say who built the great cathedrals - we have no record of their names. These builders gave their whole lives for a work they would never see finished. They made great sacrifices and expected no credit. The passion of their building was fuelled by their faith that the eyes of God saw everything. A legendary story in the book told of a rich man who came to visit the cathedral while it was being built, and he saw a workman carving a tiny bird on the inside of a beam. He was puzzled and asked the man, 'Why are you spending so much time carving that bird into a beam that will be covered by the roof? No one will ever see it.' And the workman replied, 'Because God sees.' I closed the book, feeling the missing piece fall into place. It was almost as if I heard God whispering to me, 'I see you, Charlotte . I see the sacrifices you make every day, even when no one around you does. No act of kindness you've done, no sequin you've sewn on, no cupcake you've baked, is too small for me to notice and smile over. You are building a great cathedral, but you can't see right now what it will become.' At times, my invisibility feels like an affliction. But it is not a disease that is erasing my life. It is the cure for the disease of my own self-centeredness. It is the antidote to my strong, stubborn pride. I keep the right perspective when I see myself as a great builder. As one of the people who show up at a job that they will never see finished, to work on something that their name will never be on. When I really think about it, I don't want my children to tell the friend they invite for Christmas, 'My Mum gets up at 4 in the morning and bakes homemade pies, and then she hand bastes a turkey for three hours and presses all the tablecloths for the table.' That would mean I'd built a shrine or a monument to myself. I just want her to want to come home. And then, if there is anything more to say to her friend, to add, 'you're gonna love it there.' As mothers, we are building great cathedrals. We cannot see if we're doing it right. And one day, it is very possible that the world will marvel, not only at what we have built, but at the beauty that has been added to the world by the sacrifices of invisible women. Great Job, MUM! Share this with all the Invisible Mums you know... I just did . Wow, I really needed this, I hope this brings warmth to your heart today too. Hope this encourages you when the going gets tough as it sometimes does. We never know what our finished products will turn out to be because of our perseverance. ----- Original Message ----- From: susan strickland To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Kim, I am a mom too who made mistakes but my children are young adults now. You will not believe what a difference it makes in your relationship with your children once they have passed the difficult years of youth. I just finished reading the daily omer for today. If you will go to www.meaningfullife.com and read it I think it will speak to your heart in your present situation. Isn't Hashem awesome in His timing. Shalom, Susan From: Dave Cole Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 8:16 PM Hang in there Kim.....we will be praying. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: kim alvarado To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Hello all, It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. I am being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. I wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump back into more dialog. Shalom, Kim _____ _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ _____ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/e9affa24/attachment.html From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 20 07:20:36 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:20:36 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession References: <246720.16077.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Betty, thank you for your thoughts. As a grand mother myself, I know what you're talking about. have taken the liberty of forwarding this email to my daughter as I think it will be appreciated. Shalom and Blessings, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Givin To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: RE: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Dear Pamela, This was especially beautiful and I thank you so much for sharing. Please tell you daughter thank you as well. She must be special to have had the insight to share this with you. As a mother of three beautiful daughters (inside and out), a wonderful step-daughter, a step-son, 16 grandchildren and one great-grandchild, I can so relate to this email on so many levels. I would like to say "Amein" to the ideas set forth in this article and offer a few additional words of encouragement to all of you mothers on the list. There were many times, when my girls were growing up, that I felt "invisible." And sometimes even now.and this is my confession. when I am feeling down by the circumstances surrounding me, (including not being able to get a job) .in fact, I feel pretty much worthless.as though I have nothing else major to accomplish in my life.that feeling comes back to me again. I have to really fight hard and not let it overtake me because it is destructive and detrimental, and I know that it is not true.I know that I am not worthless, that I have been richly blessed by a beautiful family and friends that love me and care about what happens to me. And even more so, I know that HaShem has seen my efforts and the life I have built, with His help, for myself and for my children and grandchildren. Motherhood is indeed a blessing.it often seems like a "thankless' role. As we have our babies and watch them grow into adolescence, the dependency that they had on us to kiss their scraped knees, wipe away their tears, put them to bed every night with prayers and hugs and kisses, is often replaced with a desire on their part to "distance" themselves from us. Of course they still need us to taxi them around, cook dinner, buy clothes and all kinds of other stuff.as we continue to sacrifice ourselves and our time to accommodate them and their schedules, it seems that they don't really care about what we do for them.in fact as the article states below, it appears that we do become more and more "invisible" in their eyes as human beings in our own right In fact, I have a humorous little story to share along those lines. One of my daughters who will go unnamed, would continually tell me that I just "never heard" her, that I just "never understood" her and that I just never "saw" her point in a disagreement. I finally got tired of hearing this tirade over and over, so I decided to make a joke and confessed to being deaf, dumb and blind in her eyes! I thought maybe a little humor might ease some of the tension, but it went over like a lead balloon. Of course now that she and her sisters are grown and have children of their own, and we can laugh about it now. All of those feelings of "distance" and resentment are gone and I am very thankful to say that I now have a very wonderful and close relationship with each of my girls.In fact, for Mother's Day I received a very sweet little decorator pillow with Proverbs 31:28 inscribed on it."Her children shall rise up and call her blessed." Looking back, I remember the pain of childbirth and the even deeper pain and anguish that comes from sacrificing and doing all you can and trying with all your heart to raise your children "in the way they should go," and the feelings of rejection and failure that often try to creep in your heart and take a foothold. I know that I made mistakes in raising my children, yet, Baruch HaShem, He is compassionate and forgiving and was there beside me, even within me, encouraging me all the way. And I can honestly and truly say that every bit of pain and hurt that I felt was worth the blessings that have come of it. I was able to continue steadfastly loving my children because of the love He had for me.and although many times I felt "invisible" to them in their growing up years, I was never "invisible" to Him. He saw the life that I was "building" I believe that in the Hebrew, there is a correlation between the word "build" and the word "children." According to a rabbinical teaching that I heard years ago, this is no accident. I think they share the same root or at least a portion of the same root. If you look at Gen. 29:3, it is interesting to note the terminology. Raquel, who was unable to bear a child, gives her handmaiden Bilhah to Yaaqov so that she (Raquel) will be "built up" from her; Dan is born as a result. I wish I could remember more. Maybe someone else is aware of this significance and can add more to the picture. Again, Pamela, thanks for this meaningful and encouraging email. L'Shalom v'Brachot, (with love and blessings) Elisheva/Betty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Pamela Barbera Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:13 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Dear Kim and all women of this dialogue group, my daughter sent this to me today, and I thought it might be an encouragement to you all.(disregard the bits you dont agree with as always) Shalom, Pamela The Invisible Mother...... It all began to make sense, the blank stares, the lack of response, theway one of the kids will walk into the room while I'm on the phone andask to be taken to the shopping centre. Inside I'm thinking, 'Can't you see I'm onthe phone?' Obviously, not. No one can see if I'm on the phone, or cooking, or sweeping the floor,or even standing on my head in the corner, because no one can see me atall. I'm invisible. The invisible Mum. Some days I am only a pair ofhands, nothing more: Can you fix this? Can you tie this? & Can you openthis? Some days I'm not a pair of hands; I'm not even a human being. I'm aclock to ask, 'What time is it?'; I'm a satellite guide to answer,'What number is the Disney Channel?' I'm a car to order, 'Pick me up around 5:30, please.' One night, a group of us were having dinner, celebrating the return of afriend from England . Janice had just gotten back from a fabulous trip, and she was going onand on about the hotel she stayed in. I was sitting there, lookingaround at the others all put together so well. It was hard not tocompare and feel sorry for myself. I was feeling pretty pathetic, whenJanice turned to me with a beautifully wrapped package, and said, 'Ibrought you this.' It was a book on the great cathedrals of Europe . I wasn't exactly sure why she'd given it to me until I read herinscription: 'To Charlotte , with admiration for the greatness of what you arebuilding when no one sees.' In the days ahead I would read - no, devour - the book. And I woulddiscover what would become for me, four life-changing truths, afterwhich I could pattern my work: No one can say who built the great cathedrals - we have no record oftheir names. These builders gave their whole lives for a work they would never seefinished. They made great sacrifices and expected no credit. The passion of their building was fuelled by their faith that the eyes ofGod saw everything. A legendary story in the book told of a rich man who came to visit thecathedral while it was being built, and he saw a workman carving a tinybird on the inside of a beam. He was puzzled and asked the man, 'Whyare you spending so much time carving that bird into a beam that will becovered by the roof? No one will ever see it.' And the workmanreplied, 'Because God sees.' I closed the book, feeling the missing piece fall into place. It wasalmost as if I heard God whispering to me, 'I see you, Charlotte . I seethe sacrifices you make every day, even when no one around you does. Noact of kindness you've done, no sequin you've sewn on, no cupcake you'vebaked, is too small for me to notice and smile over. You are building agreat cathedral, but you can't see right now what it will become.' At times, my invisibility feels like an affliction. But it is not adisease that is erasing my life. It is the cure for the disease of myown self-centeredness. It is the antidote to my strong, stubborn pride. I keep the right perspective when I see myself as a great builder. Asone of the people who show up at a job that they will never seefinished, to work on something that their name will never be on. When I really think about it, I don't want my children to tell thefriend they invite for Christmas, 'My Mum gets up at 4 in the morning and bakes homemade pies, and then she hand bastesa turkey for three hours and presses all the tablecloths for the table.'That would mean I'd built a shrine or a monument to myself. I just wanther to want to come home. And then, if there is anything more to say toher friend, to add, 'you're gonna love it there.' As mothers, we are building great cathedrals. We cannot see if we'redoing it right. And one day, it is very possible that the world willmarvel, not only at what we have built, but at the beauty that has beenadded to the world by the sacrifices of invisible women. Great Job, MUM! Share this with all the Invisible Mums you know... I just did . Wow, Ireally needed this, I hope this brings warmth to your heart today too.Hope this encourages you when the going gets tough as it sometimes does.We never know what our finished products will turn out to be because ofour perseverance. ----- Original Message ----- From: susan strickland To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Kim, I am a mom too who made mistakes but my children are young adults now. You will not believe what a difference it makes in your relationship with your children once they have passed the difficult years of youth. I just finished reading the daily omer for today. If you will go to www.meaningfullife.com and read it I think it will speak to your heart in your present situation. Isn't Hashem awesome in His timing. Shalom, Susan From: Dave Cole Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 8:16 PM Hang in there Kim.....we will be praying. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: kim alvarado To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Hello all, It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for prayers along the lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm at the point where I just don't know what to do or what to even say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things become. I am being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to just ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I also have a lot of guilt for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is just the consequence of my past. I wish to only use the words and actions that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump back into more dialog. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/412a7ab4/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 20 07:30:08 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 05:30:08 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: References: <246720.16077.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <855590370905200530q23b47e74g27496ace256acdcd@mail.gmail.com> Betty - Even though you've written many things over the years, this is SO AMAZING, that my goose bumps have goose bumps!! Absolutely beautiful....and even though I'm* not *a grandma (at least, not that I know of...), I SO relate to what you wrote. Now I know where Kim gets it from....May HaShem bless you and give you strength. Luv ya, * Hanoch* On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Pamela Barbera wrote: > Dear Betty, thank you for your thoughts. As a grand mother myself, I know > what you're talking about. have taken the liberty of forwarding this email > to my daughter as I think it will be appreciated. > Shalom and Blessings, > Pamela > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Betty Givin > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:43 PM > *Subject:* RE: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession > > Dear Pamela, > > > > This was especially beautiful and I thank you so much for sharing. Please > tell you daughter thank you as well. She must be special to have had the > insight to share this with you. As a mother of three beautiful daughters > (inside and out), a wonderful step-daughter, a step-son, 16 grandchildren > and one great-grandchild, I can so relate to this email on so many levels. > I would like to say ?Amein? to the ideas set forth in this article and offer > a few additional words of encouragement to all of you mothers on the list. > > > > There were many times, when my girls were growing up, that I felt > ?invisible.? And sometimes even now?and this is my confession? when I am > feeling down by the circumstances surrounding me, (including not being able > to get a job) ?in fact, I feel pretty much worthless?as though I have > nothing else major to accomplish in my life?that feeling comes back to me > again. I have to really fight hard and not let it overtake me because it is > destructive and detrimental, and I know that it is not true?I know that I am > not worthless, that I have been richly blessed by a beautiful family and > friends that love me and care about what happens to me. And even more so, I > know that HaShem has seen my efforts and the life I have built, with His > help, for myself and for my children and grandchildren. > > > > Motherhood is indeed a blessing?it often seems like a ?thankless? role. As > we have our babies and watch them grow into adolescence, the dependency that > they had on us to kiss their scraped knees, wipe away their tears, put them > to bed every night with prayers and hugs and kisses, is often replaced with > a desire on their part to ?distance? themselves from us. Of course they > still need us to taxi them around, cook dinner, buy clothes and all kinds of > other stuff?as we continue to sacrifice ourselves and our time to > accommodate them and their schedules, it seems that they don?t really care > about what we do for them?in fact as the article states below, it appears > that we do become more and more ?invisible? in their eyes as human beings in > our own right > > > > In fact, I have a humorous little story to share along those lines. One of > my daughters who will go unnamed, would continually tell me that I just > ?never heard? her, that I just ?never understood? her and that I just never > ?saw? her point in a disagreement. I finally got tired of hearing this > tirade over and over, so I decided to make a joke and confessed to being > deaf, dumb and blind in her eyes! I thought maybe a little humor might ease > some of the tension, but it went over like a lead balloon. Of course now > that she and her sisters are grown and have children of their own, and we > can laugh about it now. All of those feelings of ?distance? and resentment > are gone and I am very thankful to say that I now have a very wonderful and > close relationship with each of my girls?In fact, for Mother?s Day I > received a very sweet little decorator pillow with Proverbs 31:28 inscribed > on it??Her children shall rise up and call her blessed.? > > > > Looking back, I remember the pain of childbirth and the even deeper pain > and anguish that comes from sacrificing and doing all you can and trying > with all your heart to raise your children ?in the way they should go,? and > the feelings of rejection and failure that often try to creep in your heart > and take a foothold. I know that I made mistakes in raising my children, > yet, Baruch HaShem, He is compassionate and forgiving and was there beside > me, even within me, encouraging me all the way. And I can honestly and > truly say that every bit of pain and hurt that I felt was worth the > blessings that have come of it. I was able to continue steadfastly loving > my children because of the love He had for me?and although many times I felt > ?invisible? to them in their growing up years, I was never ?invisible? to > Him. He saw the life that I was ?building? > > > > I believe that in the Hebrew, there is a correlation between the word > ?build? and the word ?children.? According to a rabbinical teaching that I > heard years ago, this is no accident. I think they share the same root or > at least a portion of the same root. If you look at Gen. 29:3, it is > interesting to note the terminology. Raquel, who was unable to bear a > child, gives her handmaiden Bilhah to Yaaqov so that she (Raquel) will be > ?built up? from her; Dan is born as a result. I wish I could remember > more. Maybe someone else is aware of this significance and can add more to > the picture. > > > > Again, Pamela, thanks for this meaningful and encouraging email. > > > > L?Shalom v?Brachot, (with love and blessings) > > > > > > Elisheva/Betty > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *Pamela Barbera > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:13 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession > > > > Dear Kim and all women of this dialogue group, my daughter sent this to me > today, and I thought it might be an encouragement to you all.(disregard the > bits you dont agree with as always) > > Shalom, > > Pamela > > The Invisible Mother...... > > It all began to make sense, the blank stares, the lack of response, theway one of the kids will walk into the room while I'm on the phone and > > ask to be taken to the shopping centre. Inside I'm thinking, 'Can't you see I'm on > > the phone?' Obviously, not. > > No one can see if I'm on the phone, or cooking, or sweeping the floor, > > or even standing on my head in the corner, because no one can see me at > > all. I'm invisible. The invisible Mum. Some days I am only a pair of > > hands, nothing more: Can you fix this? Can you tie this? & Can you open > > this? > > Some days I'm not a pair of hands; I'm not even a human being. I'm a > > clock to ask, 'What time is it?'; I'm a satellite guide to answer, > > 'What number is the Disney Channel?' I'm a car to order, 'Pick me up around 5:30, please.' > > One night, a group of us were having dinner, celebrating the return of a > > friend from England . > > Janice had just gotten back from a fabulous trip, and she was going on > > and on about the hotel she stayed in. I was sitting there, looking > > around at the others all put together so well. It was hard not to > > compare and feel sorry for myself. I was feeling pretty pathetic, when > > Janice turned to me with a beautifully wrapped package, and said, 'I > > brought you this.' > > It was a book on the great cathedrals of Europe . > > I wasn't exactly sure why she'd given it to me until I read her > > inscription: 'To Charlotte , with admiration for the greatness of what you are > > building when no one sees.' > > In the days ahead I would read - no, devour - the book. And I would > > discover what would become for me, four life-changing truths, after > > which I could pattern my work: > > No one can say who built the great cathedrals - we have no record of > > their names. These builders gave their whole lives for a work they would never see > > finished. They made great sacrifices and expected no credit. > > The passion of their building was fuelled by their faith that the eyes of > > God saw everything. > > A legendary story in the book told of a rich man who came to visit the > > cathedral while it was being built, and he saw a workman carving a tiny > > bird on the inside of a beam. He was puzzled and asked the man, 'Why > > are you spending so much time carving that bird into a beam that will be > > covered by the roof? No one will ever see it.' And the workman > > replied, 'Because God sees.' > > I closed the book, feeling the missing piece fall into place. It was > > almost as if I heard God whispering to me, 'I see you, Charlotte . I see > > the sacrifices you make every day, even when no one around you does. No > > act of kindness you've done, no sequin you've sewn on, no cupcake you've > > baked, is too small for me to notice and smile over. You are building a > > great cathedral, but you can't see right now what it will become.' > > At times, my invisibility feels like an affliction. But it is not a > > disease that is erasing my life. It is the cure for the disease of my > > own self-centeredness. It is the antidote to my strong, stubborn pride. > > I keep the right perspective when I see myself as a great builder. As > > one of the people who show up at a job that they will never see > > finished, to work on something that their name will never be on. > > When I really think about it, I don't want my children to tell the > > friend they invite for Christmas, 'My Mum gets up at 4 in the morning > > and bakes homemade pies, and then she hand bastes > > a turkey for three hours and presses all the tablecloths for the table.' > > That would mean I'd built a shrine or a monument to myself. I just want > > her to want to come home. And then, if there is anything more to say to > > her friend, to add, 'you're gonna love it there.' > > As mothers, we are building great cathedrals. We cannot see if we're > > doing it right. And one day, it is very possible that the world will > > marvel, not only at what we have built, but at the beauty that has been > > added to the world by the sacrifices of invisible women. > > Great Job, MUM! > > Share this with all the Invisible Mums you know... I just did . Wow, I > > really needed this, I hope this brings warmth to your heart today too. > > Hope this encourages you when the going gets tough as it sometimes does. > > We never know what our finished products will turn out to be because of > > our perseverance. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* susan strickland > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > *Sent:* Monday, May 18, 2009 11:24 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession > > > > Kim, I am a mom too who made mistakes but my children are young adults > now. You will not believe what a difference it makes in your relationship > with your children once they have passed the difficult years of youth. I > just finished reading the daily omer for today. If you will go to > www.meaningfullife.com and read it I think it will speak to your heart in > your present situation. Isn't Hashem awesome in His timing. Shalom, Susan > > > From: Dave Cole > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 8:16 PM > > Hang in there Kim.....we will be praying. > > dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* kim alvarado > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > *Sent:* Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:28 PM > > *Subject:* [Dialogue] prayer request and confession > > > > Hello all, > > > > It is hard for me to ask for prayers. Too often, I try to deal with > everything myself...praying but not wanting to ask others to prayer for my > situation as well. That is wrong. I am requesting for prayers along the > lines of healing the relationships between my children and I (especially my > two youngest-Jana 15 & Skipper 5. I'm at the point where I just don't know > what to do or what to even say. It seems the harder I try, the worse things > become. I am being tested in so many ways. Communication needs to be > rebuilt especially with my daughter Jana. Others have said malicious things > about me and have influenced the way my children treat me. I try to just > ignore the false accusations and be a good mother, but it seems that my > every move, word, motive, etc. are judged in the light that others have > falsely painted of me. I acknowledge that I am the adult in this situation, > but I fear the hurt has taken it's toll on me. I also have a lot of guilt > for things I have done in the past and get down thinking that maybe this is > just the consequence of my past. I wish to only use the words and actions > that HaShem would have me use in regards to my children. > > > > Thank you! I love you all and look forward to the time when I can jump > back into more dialog. > > > > Shalom, > > Kim > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/2282f083/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Wed May 20 07:43:06 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:43:06 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Heavy Sigh. Message-ID: <052020091243.4364.4A13FAD9000B99DB0000110C22230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Netanyahu faces US pressure on settlements By HILARY LEILA KRIEGER AND HERB KEINON IN WASHINGTON Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu refused to make any commitments concerning settlements during his first official trip to Washington, even though a construction freeze is a top US demand. Netanyahu was taken to task by a top US senator on Tuesday - his final day here - over the issue of settlements, even as the prime minister tried to emphasize that there was wide agreement between the two countries on major Middle East issues. Yet he would not commit to removing outposts or freezing natural growth, despite knowing that Washington believes halting settlements to be a key issue. John Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, began his remarks following his meeting with Netanyahu by saying, "I emphasized to the prime minister the importance of Israel moving forward, especially with respect to the settlements issue." On Monday, US President Barack Obama treaded more lightly on the settlement issue, but still stressed that such construction must end. "Settlements have to be stopped in order for us to move forward," he said alongside Netanyahu in the Oval Office. "That's a difficult issue. I recognize that, but it's an important one, and it has to be addressed." Netanyahu, though, indicated that any actions vis-?-vis settlements would only be taken after the two countries dealt with the issue in-depth - it is expected to be a major component of talks with envoy George Mitchell once he sets up an office in Jerusalem next month - and that Israel wanted to see what it was receiving in return. The process of "defining terms" is expected to begin immediately, as Israel is looking to clarify a number of non-written understandings with the Bush administration, the main parameters of which were that Israel would restrict construction to the large settlement blocs within the lines of the existing settlements. Israeli sources said, however, that Netanyahu had made clear that Israel could not be expected to unilaterally fulfill its part of the road map while the Palestinians were not obliged to do the same. According to Netanyahu's interpretation, the world cannot say that Israel, as stipulated under the road map, needs to freeze all settlement construction, including for natural growth, while at the same time not demanding that the Palestinians uproot terrorist infrastructure, as is also required by the road map. During various meetings in Washington, Netanyahu made clear his position that Israel had gone beyond the call to merely freeze settlement construction, and had actually uprooted settlements during the disengagement from Gaza. The Palestinians, he argued, not only had not uprooted the terrorist infrastructure, but as a result of the disengagement, had turned Gaza into a terrorist base against Israel. During the talks in Washington, Netanyahu also repeated a number of times that Israel was willing to begin negotiations with the Palestinians "immediately," and that what was holding up a renewal of the talks was not Israel, but the Palestinian Authority. Uzi Arad, a top Netanyahu aide and head of the National Security Council, said that the Palestinians had placed unhelpful preconditions on the talks. "Israel is willing to enter negotiations with the Palestinians with the best intentions," he said late Monday. "One expects the same from the Palestinians. One does not expect the establishment of preconditions that will take us further away from negotiations." The Palestinians have stated that they will only resume negotiations after Israel commits itself to a two-state solution and ends settlement construction. Speaking to Israeli reporters after his meeting with Kerry, Netanyahu said that the key issue related to the Israeli-Palestinian peace process to emerge during his talks in Washington was the importance American officials were placing on Arab states playing a role. "The new thing here is that President Obama says that not only Israel must give, but also the Palestinians and the Arab sates, and not at the end of the process, but now. They must take concrete steps to improve relations with Israel and begin to move forward with reconciliation," he said. That idea was echoed by Kerry, who said Tuesday that "this is not a one-way street. The burden is not only on Israel to take all the... steps." He said it was "vital that the Arab community takes steps to indicate its willingness to contribute," specifying that it must do so not only in relation to Israel, but also to the Palestinians and their rejectionist groups in Gaza and Lebanon. Netanyahu emphasized, at the Kerry meeting, the threat of Iran and again rejected the idea of linking the issue to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, while noting that he would like to see progress on both fronts. "We intend to pursue the peace track independently of what happens in Iran, but in point of fact... it should be done in parallel," he said. Israel and America have been disagreeing over how to prioritize the issues, with Israel urging action on Iran first and the US stressing how progress with the Palestinians could aid the struggle to keep Iran from going nuclear. Israel has also wanted to see the US impose a tight timeline on negotiations with Iran over its nuclear program, worrying that talks would allow Teheran to run out the clock. Israeli officials have suggested that three months would be a sufficient time frame for engagement efforts, but Obama rejected "artificial deadlines" at the joint press conference Monday. He did, however, offer a time frame of his own, suggesting that the emerging US policy of diplomatic engagement - which he indicated would begin in earnest after Iran's June elections - would be reassessed at the end of the year. "The important thing is to make sure that there is a clear timetable, at which point we say these talks don't seem to be making any serious progress," Obama said. "By the end of the year, I think we should have some sense as to whether or not these discussions are starting to yield significant benefits, whether we're starting to see serious movement on the part of the Iranians." Barak: We'll evacuate illegal outposts peacefully or with force By JPOST.COM STAFF Defense Minister Ehud Barak met with leaders of the Yesha Council of Jewish Communities in Judea and Samaria on Wednesday, to discuss halting construction in West Bank settlements. The defense minister stressed that all illegal outposts must be evacuated, saying "If this isn't done through negotiations, it will be carried out with swift and tough enforcement." "Law enforcement cannot be compromised," he added. "A sovereign state must enforce the law and exercise authority over its citizens." Specifically, he noted ten such outposts, which he said were affecting Israeli negatively in the international arena. After the one-hour meeting, Yesha Council chair Danny Dayan said, "We were surprised to learn that the defense minister was being fed disinformation, given to him as fact by leftist groups." The meeting yielded no results, apart from both parties agreeing to meet regularly on the matter. Nonethless, Dayan expressed hope that, having presented the council's point of view, "the real picture will be clearer and policy-change will begin." "Policy should be set in Jerusalem, not Washington," he said, a reference to US President Barack Obama's insistence that all settlement construction must be halted. Yesha leaders noted that they had requested a meeting with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu upon his return from Washington -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/8f8fd433/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 20 07:44:55 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 05:44:55 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] After 30 years of Ethiopian Aliyah Message-ID: <855590370905200544v78a21a78ld2751e50e1181d2a@mail.gmail.com> How can you NOT believe in miracles, watching this.... Click here: YouTube - 30 years of Ethiopien Aliyah And how can you NOT believe that HaShem is ending the Galut (exile)? * Hanoch* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/8fd4cf77/attachment.html From mhyde7 at tds.net Wed May 20 08:21:18 2009 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:21:18 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: <855590370905200530q23b47e74g27496ace256acdcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <246720.16077.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <855590370905200530q23b47e74g27496ace256acdcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Betty, I have deleted the larger portion of this dialogue to save space. Thanks for writing and for Pamela forwarding her piece. Im telling you, this parenting stuff is hard work. Like Hanoch, I can appreciate and relate to the work of a Mom when as a male you have to raise children and daughters without their mother. Then as Kim, experiencing children who seem to want nothing to do with you, yes this will pass also, ..... they tell me! Then as I deal with my own situation with my mother, who is dealing with dementia / Alzheimer's and knowing she is slowly slipping away. Mom was once invisible to me, now I have become invisible to my mother. Yesterday morning I went to check on Mom like I do or have done many times before and I decided to asked a few questions. You know, " they say do not ask questions if your not prepared for the answer". Mother knew exactly when her birth date was, she even knew my name was Marvin, but she did not know I was her son. That was sad... I got up and went to the mantle and got the family picture of Mom and Dad and their 9 childern. Mom, can you tell me who these people are? She named them all, except her husband, she wasn't sure who he was, she thought maybe one of her brothers. Who are these people Mom? They're my brothers and sisters. That broke my heart. The mother that was once invisible to us was now slowly loosing all memory of her family and we are becoming invisible to her. Tell Roger to give you a big hug for me. Marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Hanoch Young Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:30 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Betty - Even though you've written many things over the years, this is SO AMAZING, that my goose bumps have goose bumps!! Absolutely beautiful....and even though I'm not a grandma (at least, not that I know of...), I SO relate to what you wrote. Now I know where Kim gets it from....May HaShem bless you and give you strength. Luv ya, Hanoch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/b8ed6c15/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 20 09:24:24 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:24:24 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Worth REALLY thinking about Message-ID: <855590370905200724q1e511b80pf657a211706d6e86@mail.gmail.com> When Strange Things Happen By HaRav Ariel Bar Tzadok. Copyright (C) 2009 by Ariel Bar Tzadok. All rights reserved. There is a terrible misunderstanding about religion that runs rampant in all segments of religious communities. It has become a common belief that because one is religious, then somehow one's life is supposed to become miraculously free of worry, hardships and normal everyday troubles. Somehow it has become a common belief that when normal everyday troubles befall us we can simply turn to words of Torah, recite certain prayers or do certain rituals and then magically all our problems just disappear. Those of us who live in the real world and live according to the real Torah recognize that there is no such superstitious connection between life's hardships and their magical solutions. In other words, Torah is not magic or superstition, it is real living for real people facing real problems in the real world. There is no mystical connection between religious rituals, mystical prayers or ceremonies and the challenges of real circumstances that happen in real life. Whether we like it or not, we are all subject to natural daily troubles. As Curly Howard would say, we are all, "victims of circumstance" (nyuck, nyuck). And these, by no means, are limited to the forces of nature and the elements. I also include within this the machinations and sufferings we experience daily from other human beings. No human being who has ever lived on Earth has ever been free from daily problems. This is Torah truth! Therefore, no religious person should ever say or believe that just by being religious makes one's problems to go away. Anyone who turns to religion thinking that it will somehow cure one of this or that problem is making a serious mistake. Life in this world is now and has always been about hardships. In the words of the old country western song, "I beg your pardon; I never promised you a rose garden." We human beings were kicked out of the Garden of Eden and now we all live here on Jungle Earth. Jungle living is no paradise. It is more like Hell than Heaven. Indeed, were it not for Torah we would have all degraded to the level of the animal instead of striving to become full human beings. Yet, in order to become fully human Torah must be embraced properly and in its natural and normal form. Real Torah is about personal human transformation. Real faith is the acceptance of life's problems as having a greater purpose and meaning in one's life. Walking with G-d is like a test or even like a game. This is the lesson we learn from every Biblical and Talmudic role-model. Each of them, without exception lived lives full of turmoil and stress. We learn from them how to we must deal with our own. When something strange, bizarre and unusual occurs, rather than lose control and stress out over how one is to handle the unknown, one should instead turns one's inner eye to Heaven and silently says, *"Ribono Shel Olam (Master of the universe), I know there is a purpose in this, I admit that I do not know it and I certainly do not understand it, nevertheless may You guide my mind, my heart and my actions that I may navigate myself through these circumstances with wisdom and correctness. Let me do the right thing and may you grant me insight, Amen."* This prayer expresses simple faith. Faith, the Gemara (Macot 24) tell us sums up the whole Torah and it is the definition of being righteous (Habakuk). One who walks this natural path of Living Torah has no need for magical ceremonies or mystical rites (Segulot). A person of true faith does not believe in the fantasy of magic, nor does such a one try to manipulate or influence Heaven to go against its natural course and in favor of one's personal desires. Such attempts violate the very spirit of Torah and contradict the very essence of faith. Strange things and bad things happen daily. Very strange things, even tragedies happen regularly to even the most religious of the religious. Those so afflicted may try a number of spiritual remedies and seek out numerous Kabbalists and Rabbis for blessings and intervention. Sometimes these work, yet many times they do not. When the promised (and often paid for) magic does not work, people often turn on themselves believing that only if one were more worthy then somehow the Torah magic would work. They then turn to more and more strict religious observances and prayers, only to find out that still, they have not won the lotto or that someone is still dying of cancer or that still one cannot find a suitable marriage partner. Magic blessings do not work any magic. Only real hard word work brings about real and tangible results. The best blessing that one can receive is that one will be granted the wisdom to see what needs to be practically done and to do it. When one has an issue in this real world, one must pause, compose oneself, and silently seek wisdom within how best it is to handle the situation at hand. Magic does not work, but practical, realistic steps do. G-d is the author of the natural world. He is Elohim (Gematria 86), creator of all the laws of nature (HaTeva, Gematria also 86). What is natural must be addressed naturally. This should not be a revelation to anyone. It is common sense and the foundation of our Torah. In today's world we are bombarded with daily confusion, troubles and turmoil. There is no peace, not in the home, not in the society and not in the economy. The present world situation is enough to drive anyone insane. Daily stress levels are literally putting people in early graves. To make matters even worse, everyday people are acting in the most despicably impersonal, inhuman and unsympathetic of ways. In the business world, customer service is a joke. It is more like customer abuse and no one seems to care at all. Our politicians are in a world of their own, apparently beholden only to those who line their pockets with election support. Our big businesses follow interests which certainly seem not to take into account the needs of the everyday worker who makes those businesses thrive. We are living in a heartless, immoral, uncaring society and everyday matters seem to get worse and worse. Now, do not get all religious on me and start quoting to me religious teachings about optimism and the like. No, I refuse to look at the world with "rose-colored" glasses and say, "this too is for good." Our present reality is pretty bad and we only lie to ourselves when we redefine matters by turning them upside down in order interpret them for the best. No, the world today is hopelessly corrupt. And this is because the people in it are hopelessly corrupt. Things will not get magically better. No Messiah is coming to sprinkle magic fairy-dust and to miraculously change the hearts of evil and selfish people. No, the evil and heartless are not destined to be miraculously saved. The evil and heartless are destined by Heaven to meet their rightful destinies which is none other than to reap the fruits of their own planting. They will be forced to live in the world of their own making and to die because of it. No magic will change this; no amount of religion will make this go away. We are again in a time like the generation before the Flood and like the generation that was enslaved in Egypt. Both generations witnessed a great cleansing which materialized in the downfall and destruction of the present civilization. Why on Earth do we think we will fare any different? But yes, we do believe that we are different, that G-d will miraculous intervene and magically make all our problems go away. We run "la-de-da" around in blissful ignorance and denial about the present state of the world. Yes, strange things are happening around us, some of them are devastating; almost all of them are bad. Our magical belief in protection by religion will not save us nor keep us safe. The only thing that can ever protect us is our shield of practical faith and our swords of wisdom, using G-d given common sense bestowed upon us by Heaven to see the coming storm clouds and to take the necessary precautions. Faith is not what you believe; it is what you do! Many may believe me to be overly pessimistic. But let me tell you this, I am very well aware of the positive in this world, the countless number of good people and the deeds that they do. Indeed, those good people whoever and wherever they may be are indeed blessed by Heaven and Heaven will protect them. But Heaven will protect only them, not everyone else, not necessarily even those around them. Do not think that you can rely upon the merits of this or that Tzadik and thus all will be well with you. Do not think that your donation to a Kabbalist or to his yeshiva will somehow magically save you from future troubles. Do not be so superstitious. Do not be so na?ve. Do not be deceived into believing that you can somehow bribe Heaven. When we give we do so for the right cause; to help another, not for what we get out of it in return. Those who give with sincerity receive with sincerity. Those who give with strings attached often get nothing in return. One cannot fool Heaven; one can only fool one's self. Rabbis and Kabbalists can and do pray for people and solicit Heaven with sincerity to show mercy upon those in sincere need. But this is the limit of their powers. The true Sages live by faith and they teach others to do the same. We must never be afraid of the future or of the many enemies that surround us. Granted they are stronger than us and committed to our harm. We cannot change this so we should not bother to try. What we should be doing instead is making ourselves to be better, more honorable human beings. We should do everything in our power not to stoop to the lows of those heartless SOBs who seek our harm. We must be better than this! We are human beings created in the Divine Image. We therefore must act like human beings and not like wounded animals. We are human beings. We have names. We are not numbers or mere cogs in a machine. We are not mere components in the system of "Big Brother" to be used and discarded when no longer useful. We will not change the world. We cannot control what happens to us. But we can have absolute control over how we respond to what happens to us. When daily confronted by the heartless bureaucrat who treats everyone like a number or like a thing, we can respond like human beings. This does not mean that we are always nice, smiley and turning the other cheek in perpetual forgiveness. On the contrary, such is not the Torah way. Only when one is remorseful for wanton behavior and expresses such with true sincerity and change of behavior do we open our arms to embrace and forgive. Yet, when heartless people continue to act like animals, it is then a mitzvah to treat them like they deserve. We do no lower ourselves to act towards them as they act towards us, but we do keep our encounters with them brief, businesslike and highly impersonal. They do not like us and we in turn do not like them. They want to treat us like numbers or like fellow animals; we in turn must remember who we are and act as human beings. When our fellow human beings act like animals, we distance ourselves from them as we would from any other wild animal. Such human animals are dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. I never believe in mistreating another, still I never allow them to treat me with less dignity than any human being deserves. Some might consider this to be a path towards confrontation and being non-conforming. So be it. Let people consider what they wish. They will not be around for much longer. Do you really think the world can go on as it is for another generation without fundamental radical changes that will change the very fabric of society itself? We live in strange, uncertain, and unstable times. Things will not be getting better soon. The storm clouds are on the horizon and those who wish to survive had better start thinking about this now. My dear readers, you have no idea of what is "coming down the pike" in the short time to come. You may not see it, notice it or maybe even care about it. But it is coming nonetheless. It is time for the sleepers to awaken, while they still have the ability to be aroused. The animals will perish and only the true human beings will survive. Torah teaches us how to be human beings in our present jungle world. We cannot escape the trials and tribulations of jungle life. Torah does not transform our world into a garden. All Torah does is to give us the opportunity to transform ourselves. Bad things will continue to happen. This is the nature of the jungle. We cannot control it. All we can do is learn to respond humanly and humanely. Do not turn to religion for miracles; rather turn to Torah for wisdom, proper guidance and natural (Elokim=HaTeva) direction. Superstitions and misguided faith will always let you down. Real Torah and real faith on the other hand will always lift you up. Trust in Heaven and do the right things, but do not think that one without the other is enough. Faith is what you do, not what you believe. Stop believing in make-believe religious magic. This is not Torah. Start being real. Be a man! This is a lesson equal for all males and females. Only in this is Heaven's blessing. As Benjamin Franklin said, "G-d helps those who help themselves." Do not expect Heaven to do what we are supposed to do, but do trust in G-d that He can and will do that which we cannot. The animals are being corralled, only to be hunted down. The jungle will soon be cut down. Chose wisely if you truly wish to stand up and be human; for if you do, now is the time to start acting it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/d7905709/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Wed May 20 11:28:25 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:28:25 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Worth REALLY thinking about In-Reply-To: <855590370905200724q1e511b80pf657a211706d6e86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <052020091628.23319.4A142FA80006FC2100005B1722243322829B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Y'all may not believe this but I honestly believe that this is the very same message that every Hebrew prophet has voiced from the beginning.....yes, including Yeshua. Whatcha think? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Hanoch Young : -------------- When Strange Things Happen By HaRav Ariel Bar Tzadok. Copyright (C) 2009 by Ariel Bar Tzadok. All rights reserved. There is a terrible misunderstanding about religion that runs rampant in all segments of religious communities. It has become a common belief that because one is religious, then somehow one's life is supposed to become miraculously free of worry, hardships and normal everyday troubles. Somehow it has become a common belief that when normal everyday troubles befall us we can simply turn to words of Torah, recite certain prayers or do certain rituals and then magically all our problems just disappear. Those of us who live in the real world and live according to the real Torah recognize that there is no such superstitious connection between life's hardships and their magical solutions. In other words, Torah is not magic or superstition, it is real living for real people facing real problems in the real world. There is no mystical connection between religious rituals, mystical prayers or ceremonies and the challenges of real circumstances that happen in real life. Whether we like it or not, we are all subject to natural daily troubles. As Curly Howard would say, we are all, "victims of circumstance" (nyuck, nyuck). And these, by no means, are limited to the forces of nature and the elements. I also include within this the machinations and sufferings we experience daily from other human beings. No human being who has ever lived on Earth has ever been free from daily problems. This is Torah truth! Therefore, no religious person should ever say or believe that just by being religious makes one's problems to go away. Anyone who turns to religion thinking that it will somehow cure one of this or that problem is making a serious mistake. Life in this world is now and has always been about hardships. In the words of the old country western song, "I beg your pardon; I never promised you a rose garden." We human beings were kicked out of the Garden of Eden and now we all live here on Jungle Earth. Jungle living is no paradise. It is more like Hell than Heaven. Indeed, were it not for Torah we would have all degraded to the level of the animal instead of striving to become full human beings. Yet, in order to become fully human Torah must be embraced properly and in its natural and normal form. Real Torah is about personal human transformation. Real faith is the acceptance of life's problems as having a greater purpose and meaning in one's life. Walking with G-d is like a test or even like a game. This is the lesson we learn from every Biblical and Talmudic role-model. Each of them, without exception lived lives full of turmoil and stress. We learn from them how to we must deal with our own. When something strange, bizarre and unusual occurs, rather than lose control and stress out over how one is to handle the unknown, one should instead turns one's inner eye to Heaven and silently says, "Ribono Shel Olam (Master of the universe), I know there is a purpose in this, I admit that I do not know it and I certainly do not understand it, nevertheless may You guide my mind, my heart and my actions that I may navigate myself through these circumstances with wisdom and correctness. Let me do the right thing and may you grant me insight, Amen." This prayer expresses simple faith. Faith, the Gemara (Macot 24) tell us sums up the whole Torah and it is the definition of being righteous (Habakuk). One who walks this natural path of Living Torah has no need for magical ceremonies or mystical rites (Segulot). A person of true faith does not believe in the fantasy of magic, nor does such a one try to manipulate or influence Heaven to go against its natural course and in favor of one's personal desires. Such attempts violate the very spirit of Torah and contradict the very essence of faith. Strange things and bad things happen daily. Very strange things, even tragedies happen regularly to even the most religious of the religious. Those so afflicted may try a number of spiritual remedies and seek out numerous Kabbalists and Rabbis for blessings and intervention. Sometimes these work, yet many times they do not. When the promised (and often paid for) magic does not work, people often turn on themselves believing that only if one were more worthy then somehow the Torah magic would work. They then turn to more and more strict religious observances and prayers, only to find out that still, they have not won the lotto or that someone is still dying of cancer or that still one cannot find a suitable marriage partner. Magic blessings do not work any magic. Only real hard word work brings about real and tangible results. The best blessing that one can receive is that one will be granted the wisdom to see what needs to be practically done and to do it. When one has an issue in this real world, one must pause, compose oneself, and silently seek wisdom within how best it is to handle the situation at hand. Magic does not work, but practical, realistic steps do. G-d is the author of the natural world. He is Elohim (Gematria 86), creator of all the laws of nature (HaTeva, Gematria also 86). What is natural must be addressed naturally. This should not be a revelation to anyone. It is common sense and the foundation of our Torah. In today's world we are bombarded with daily confusion, troubles and turmoil. There is no peace, not in the home, not in the society and not in the economy. The present world situation is enough to drive anyone insane. Daily stress levels are literally putting people in early graves. To make matters even worse, everyday people are acting in the most despicably impersonal, inhuman and unsympathetic of ways. In the business world, customer service is a joke. It is more like customer abuse and no one seems to care at all. Our politicians are in a world of their own, apparently beholden only to those who line their pockets with election support. Our big businesses follow interests which certainly seem not to take into account the needs of the everyday worker who makes those businesses thrive. We are living in a heartless, immoral, uncaring society and everyday matters seem to get worse and worse. Now, do not get all religious on me and start quoting to me religious teachings about optimism and the like. No, I refuse to look at the world with "rose-colored" glasses and say, "this too is for good." Our present reality is pretty bad and we only lie to ourselves when we redefine matters by turning them upside down in order interpret them for the best. No, the world today is hopelessly corrupt. And this is because the people in it are hopelessly corrupt. Things will not get magically better. No Messiah is coming to sprinkle magic fairy-dust and to miraculously change the hearts of evil and selfish people. No, the evil and heartless are not destined to be miraculously saved. The evil and heartless are destined by Heaven to meet their rightful destinies which is none other than to reap the fruits of their own planting. They will be forced to live in the world of their own making and to die because of it. No magic will change this; no amount of religion will make this go away. We are again in a time like the generation before the Flood and like the generation that was enslaved in Egypt. Both generations witnessed a great cleansing which materialized in the downfall and destruction of the present civilization. Why on Earth do we think we will fare any different? But yes, we do believe that we are different, that G-d will miraculous intervene and magically make all our problems go away. We run "la-de-da" around in blissful ignorance and denial about the present state of the world. Yes, strange things are happening around us, some of them are devastating; almost all of them are bad. Our magical belief in protection by religion will not save us nor keep us safe. The only thing that can ever protect us is our shield of practical faith and our swords of wisdom, using G-d given common sense bestowed upon us by Heaven to see the coming storm clouds and to take the necessary precautions. Faith is not what you believe; it is what you do! Many may believe me to be overly pessimistic. But let me tell you this, I am very well aware of the positive in this world, the countless number of good people and the deeds that they do. Indeed, those good people whoever and wherever they may be are indeed blessed by Heaven and Heaven will protect them. But Heaven will protect only them, not everyone else, not necessarily even those around them. Do not think that you can rely upon the merits of this or that Tzadik and thus all will be well with you. Do not think that your donation to a Kabbalist or to his yeshiva will somehow magically save you from future troubles. Do not be so superstitious. Do not be so na?ve. Do not be deceived into believing that you can somehow bribe Heaven. When we give we do so for the right cause; to help another, not for what we get out of it in return. Those who give with sincerity receive with sincerity. Those who give with strings attached often get nothing in return. One cannot fool Heaven; one can only fool one's self. Rabbis and Kabbalists can and do pray for people and solicit Heaven with sincerity to show mercy upon those in sincere need. But this is the limit of their powers. The true Sages live by faith and they teach others to do the same. We must never be afraid of the future or of the many enemies that surround us. Granted they are stronger than us and committed to our harm. We cannot change this so we should not bother to try. What we should be doing instead is making ourselves to be better, more honorable human beings. We should do everything in our power not to stoop to the lows of those heartless SOBs who seek our harm. We must be better than this! We are human beings created in the Divine Image. We therefore must act like human beings and not like wounded animals. We are human beings. We have names. We are not numbers or mere cogs in a machine. We are not mere components in the system of "Big Brother" to be used and discarded when no longer useful. We will not change the world. We cannot control what happens to us. But we can have absolute control over how we respond to what happens to us. When daily confronted by the heartless bureaucrat who treats everyone like a number or like a thing, we can respond like human beings. This does not mean that we are always nice, smiley and turning the other cheek in perpetual forgiveness. On the contrary, such is not the Torah way. Only when one is remorseful for wanton behavior and expresses such with true sincerity and change of behavior do we open our arms to embrace and forgive. Yet, when heartless people continue to act like animals, it is then a mitzvah to treat them like they deserve. We do no lower ourselves to act towards them as they act towards us, but we do keep our encounters with them brief, businesslike and highly impersonal. They do not like us and we in turn do not like them. They want to treat us like numbers or like fellow animals; we in turn must remember who we are and act as human beings. When our fellow human beings act like animals, we distance ourselves from them as we would from any other wild animal. Such human animals are dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. I never believe in mistreating another, still I never allow them to treat me with less dignity than any human being deserves. Some might consider this to be a path towards confrontation and being non-conforming. So be it. Let people consider what they wish. They will not be around for much longer. Do you really think the world can go on as it is for another generation without fundamental radical changes that will change the very fabric of society itself? We live in strange, uncertain, and unstable times. Things will not be getting better soon. The storm clouds are on the horizon and those who wish to survive had better start thinking about this now. My dear readers, you have no idea of what is "coming down the pike" in the short time to come. You may not see it, notice it or maybe even care about it. But it is coming nonetheless. It is time for the sleepers to awaken, while they still have the ability to be aroused. The animals will perish and only the true human beings will survive. Torah teaches us how to be human beings in our present jungle world. We cannot escape the trials and tribulations of jungle life. Torah does not transform our world into a garden. All Torah does is to give us the opportunity to transform ourselves. Bad things will continue to happen. This is the nature of the jungle. We cannot control it. All we can do is learn to respond humanly and humanely. Do not turn to religion for miracles; rather turn to Torah for wisdom, proper guidance and natural (Elokim=HaTeva) direction. Superstitions and misguided faith will always let you down. Real Torah and real faith on the other hand will always lift you up. Trust in Heaven and do the right things, but do not think that one without the other is enough. Faith is what you do, not what you believe. Stop believing in make-believe religious magic. This is not Torah. Start being real. Be a man! This is a lesson equal for all males and females. Only in this is Heaven's blessing. As Benjamin Franklin said, "G-d helps those who help themselves." Do not expect Heaven to do what we are supposed to do, but do trust in G-d that He can and will do that which we cannot. The animals are being corralled, only to be hunted down. The jungle will soon be cut down. Chose wisely if you truly wish to stand up and be human; for if you do, now is the time to start acting it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/14224403/attachment.html From bkgivin at verizon.net Wed May 20 11:49:40 2009 From: bkgivin at verizon.net (Betty K Givin) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:49:40 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Message-ID: <201A0350DA3A473AA4CA812D51ECC8D8@bettylaptop> Thank you, Hanoch. It is no surprise that you can identify with the role of motherhood because you have taken and continue to take such an active role in raising your own beautiful daughters! Besides, you have those two babies you care nurturing and carrying around, right? (just kidding). And even though you will never be a grandma, you will make an awesome "zaide!" Thank you for the prayer of blessing and strength.I truly do need it. HaShem hasn't let me down yet! And I love you too, Hanoch, but I know you know that. Elisheva/Betty P.S. and Pamela, thanks again for sending this out and of course it is okay that you forwarded it to your daughter. I think we mothers and daughters appreciate one another so much more as we grow older and look back on our relationships. I know I appreciated my mother more and more thru the years. Please note my new email address: Some of my emails are not going thru! bkgivin at verizon.net _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Hanoch Young Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:30 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Betty - Even though you've written many things over the years, this is SO AMAZING, that my goose bumps have goose bumps!! Absolutely beautiful....and even though I'm not a grandma (at least, not that I know of...), I SO relate to what you wrote. Now I know where Kim gets it from....May HaShem bless you and give you strength. Luv ya, Hanoch On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Pamela Barbera wrote: Dear Betty, thank you for your thoughts. As a grand mother myself, I know what you're talking about. have taken the liberty of forwarding this email to my daughter as I think it will be appreciated. Shalom and Blessings, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Givin To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: RE: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Dear Pamela, This was especially beautiful and I thank you so much for sharing. Please tell you daughter thank you as well. She must be special to have had the insight to share this with you. As a mother of three beautiful daughters (inside and out), a wonderful step-daughter, a step-son, 16 grandchildren and one great-grandchild, I can so relate to this email on so many levels. I would like to say "Amein" to the ideas set forth in this article and offer a few additional words of encouragement to all of you mothers on the list. There were many times, when my girls were growing up, that I felt "invisible." And sometimes even now.and this is my confession. when I am feeling down by the circumstances surrounding me, (including not being able to get a job) .in fact, I feel pretty much worthless.as though I have nothing else major to accomplish in my life.that feeling comes back to me again. I have to really fight hard and not let it overtake me because it is destructive and detrimental, and I know that it is not true.I know that I am not worthless, that I have been richly blessed by a beautiful family and friends that love me and care about what happens to me. And even more so, I know that HaShem has seen my efforts and the life I have built, with His help, for myself and for my children and grandchildren. Motherhood is indeed a blessing.it often seems like a "thankless' role. As we have our babies and watch them grow into adolescence, the dependency that they had on us to kiss their scraped knees, wipe away their tears, put them to bed every night with prayers and hugs and kisses, is often replaced with a desire on their part to "distance" themselves from us. Of course they still need us to taxi them around, cook dinner, buy clothes and all kinds of other stuff.as we continue to sacrifice ourselves and our time to accommodate them and their schedules, it seems that they don't really care about what we do for them.in fact as the article states below, it appears that we do become more and more "invisible" in their eyes as human beings in our own right In fact, I have a humorous little story to share along those lines. One of my daughters who will go unnamed, would continually tell me that I just "never heard" her, that I just "never understood" her and that I just never "saw" her point in a disagreement. I finally got tired of hearing this tirade over and over, so I decided to make a joke and confessed to being deaf, dumb and blind in her eyes! I thought maybe a little humor might ease some of the tension, but it went over like a lead balloon. Of course now that she and her sisters are grown and have children of their own, and we can laugh about it now. All of those feelings of "distance" and resentment are gone and I am very thankful to say that I now have a very wonderful and close relationship with each of my girls.In fact, for Mother's Day I received a very sweet little decorator pillow with Proverbs 31:28 inscribed on it."Her children shall rise up and call her blessed." Looking back, I remember the pain of childbirth and the even deeper pain and anguish that comes from sacrificing and doing all you can and trying with all your heart to raise your children "in the way they should go," and the feelings of rejection and failure that often try to creep in your heart and take a foothold. I know that I made mistakes in raising my children, yet, Baruch HaShem, He is compassionate and forgiving and was there beside me, even within me, encouraging me all the way. And I can honestly and truly say that every bit of pain and hurt that I felt was worth the blessings that have come of it. I was able to continue steadfastly loving my children because of the love He had for me.and although many times I felt "invisible" to them in their growing up years, I was never "invisible" to Him. He saw the life that I was "building" I believe that in the Hebrew, there is a correlation between the word "build" and the word "children." According to a rabbinical teaching that I heard years ago, this is no accident. I think they share the same root or at least a portion of the same root. If you look at Gen. 29:3, it is interesting to note the terminology. Raquel, who was unable to bear a child, gives her handmaiden Bilhah to Yaaqov so that she (Raquel) will be "built up" from her; Dan is born as a result. I wish I could remember more. Maybe someone else is aware of this significance and can add more to the picture. Again, Pamela, thanks for this meaningful and encouraging email. L'Shalom v'Brachot, (with love and blessings) Elisheva/Betty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/b71f7168/attachment.html From bkgivin at verizon.net Wed May 20 11:49:54 2009 From: bkgivin at verizon.net (Betty K Givin) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:49:54 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession Message-ID: Marvin, Thank you for your heartfelt email. Yes, definitely this parenting stuff is hard work, especially for those parents who pour everything into raising or "building" their children. But, I promise, all of this that goes on with the children will pass! I cannot imagine how difficult it is for fathers like you and Hanoch to raise children pretty much without their mother. You are to be honored, and should be getting "Mother's Day cards with the rest of us! Your accounting of your own mother in her present state of mind was heartbreaking! I am so sorry you are going thru this. The role reversal is so hard when we as children, have to take on the role of becoming parents to our parents. James and I went thru this to a degree with our own mother before she died nearly two years ago (may her memory always be for a blessing); but not to the degree that you are facing as she always knew who we are. I never showed her a family group picture and asked her who the people were. If I had, I might have gotten the same response. I was visiting the mother of an acquaintance of mine who is in an assisted living center several weeks back. In order to promote conversation, I began asking her about the family pictures on the wall. She identified nearly all of them as her brothers and sisters, and oddly enough, identified herself as her mother. All of a sudden it hit me.she can no longer internalize her own age because she is living in the past much of the time The elderly woman in the photo could never be her, so it has to be her mother, and her children could never be as old as they are, so they have to be her brothers and sisters. As far as not recognizing you, Marvin, I cannot imagine how much that hurts, and explanations probably don't help that much, but she probably doesn't see her son as being a man as old as you are.not that you are old, but if she is looking at herself as still young, then you cannot possibly be her son. She remembers you as her little boy. Sometimes when I would go visit my mother, she would ask me if I had talked to Dad today (he died in 1982), and tell me that she was worried because he was late and she wasn't sure when he said he would be back. I was shocked and hurt and confused, and later talked to the staff about how to handle this. I was told that it is best to just answer her question with the truth, so I did. I gently reminded her that Dad had died in 1982. It was hard, but she then remembered, saying how silly that was of her. Other times I would go over and she would tell me that she was ready to leave the "hotel" and go back home, or that she was getting dressed to go meet Dad at the base for lunch.One day I came in and she told me how tired she was. When I asked her what she had been doing, she told me that "those children" had been over at her house for three days and she was exhausted from chasing them around! Kim's sister, Beth, has 6 children, and would come visit her from time to time, but rarely for more than 30 minutes at a time. Mom went in and out of reality, and I suppose there comes a time when people with Alzheimer's get "stuck" in the past and create their own reality in the past. The only "up" side to all this is that in their own minds, the past is probably a happier place that the present. My heart goes out to you, Marvin and my prayers will be with you and your mother as well as with your children. I suppose all you can do now is bring her comfort and be kind and loving to her (which I know you are) in the state where she is, and remember her as she was and all the love she gave you growing up. She hasn't forgotten her little boy, Marvin.she just doesn't see that you are right there with her in the present. Dick Libby sent out a beautiful email a number of years ago entitled, "My Two Mothers," that really helped me and I think it would help you and others who are going thru what you are. I kept it for years and then when my computer crashed a number of years ago, I lost it and was so disappointed. I will email him and ask him to circulate it again if he still has it. Thanks for writing and for the hug from Roger. I am sending you a big one back thru cyber space. We all love you and many of us can identify with your pain. Love and Blessings, Elisheva/Betty P.S. Please note my new email address: some of my emails have not been going thru It is bkgivin at verizon.net _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of mhyde Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:21 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Betty, I have deleted the larger portion of this dialogue to save space. Thanks for writing and for Pamela forwarding her piece. Im telling you, this parenting stuff is hard work. Like Hanoch, I can appreciate and relate to the work of a Mom when as a male you have to raise children and daughters without their mother. Then as Kim, experiencing children who seem to want nothing to do with you, yes this will pass also, ..... they tell me! Then as I deal with my own situation with my mother, who is dealing with dementia / Alzheimer's and knowing she is slowly slipping away. Mom was once invisible to me, now I have become invisible to my mother. Yesterday morning I went to check on Mom like I do or have done many times before and I decided to asked a few questions. You know, " they say do not ask questions if your not prepared for the answer". Mother knew exactly when her birth date was, she even knew my name was Marvin, but she did not know I was her son. That was sad... I got up and went to the mantle and got the family picture of Mom and Dad and their 9 childern. Mom, can you tell me who these people are? She named them all, except her husband, she wasn't sure who he was, she thought maybe one of her brothers. Who are these people Mom? They're my brothers and sisters. That broke my heart. The mother that was once invisible to us was now slowly loosing all memory of her family and we are becoming invisible to her. Tell Roger to give you a big hug for me. Marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Hanoch Young Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:30 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Betty - Even though you've written many things over the years, this is SO AMAZING, that my goose bumps have goose bumps!! Absolutely beautiful....and even though I'm not a grandma (at least, not that I know of...), I SO relate to what you wrote. Now I know where Kim gets it from....May HaShem bless you and give you strength. Luv ya, Hanoch Elisheva/Betty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/ea0c72cb/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Wed May 20 13:54:44 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:54:44 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview with Tovia Singer is up... In-Reply-To: <5A2A944C-E8C9-48CA-8F49-CEB7E09DEB27@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <052020091854.24458.4A1451F400069A3900005F8A22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> James, I finally got the opportunity to sit and listen to this without interruption. Just like the book, it was both provocative and compelling. Anyone listening, that believes in the theological status quo, has got to be challenged to find out more. I'm looking forward to the Paul book. I've learned much on this subject over the last few months and I believe that my mental picture of the environment of the first century church is much clearer than it has ever been. Like it or not, Paul is an inescapable part of that picture and I think we need to try to understand it, especially those of us who value the New Testament, even if only as commentary. I hope that you and Tovia can expand these discussions in every way possible. Shalom my friend. -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from James Tabor : -------------- > In case you missed it my second interview with Tovia Singer is now on- > line and can be listened to or downloaded. I am pleased to say it is > also featured on the front page of Israel National News Radio. Here is > the link: > > http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/956 > > Please feel free to spread this around. > > James > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/6889f34a/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 20 14:04:18 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:04:18 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: <201A0350DA3A473AA4CA812D51ECC8D8@bettylaptop> References: <201A0350DA3A473AA4CA812D51ECC8D8@bettylaptop> Message-ID: <855590370905201204h66544eabp5f90bddfe622ca03@mail.gmail.com> Yep, I *almost *forgot the newer two....wow, I'm starting to lose it! And boys are SO MUCH harder then girls.... :-) On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Betty K Givin wrote: > Thank you, Hanoch. It is no surprise that you can identify with the role > of motherhood because you have taken and continue to take such an active > role in raising your own beautiful daughters! Besides, you have those two > babies you care nurturing and carrying around, right? (just kidding). And > even though you will never be a grandma, you will make an awesome ?zaide!? > > Thank you for the prayer of blessing and strength?I truly do need it. > HaShem hasn?t let me down yet! > > And I love you too, Hanoch, but I know you know that. > > Elisheva/Betty > > > > P.S. and Pamela, thanks again for sending this out and of course it is okay > that you forwarded it to your daughter. I think we mothers and daughters > appreciate one another so much more as we grow older and look back on our > relationships. I know I appreciated my mother more and more thru the years? > > > > *Please note my new email address: Some of my emails are not going thru!* > > *bkgivin at verizon.net* > > * * > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *Hanoch Young > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:30 AM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession > > > > Betty - Even though you've written many things over the years, this is SO > AMAZING, that my goose bumps have goose bumps!! Absolutely beautiful....and > even though I'm* not *a grandma (at least, not that I know of...), I SO > relate to what you wrote. Now I know where Kim gets it from....May HaShem > bless you and give you strength. > > > > Luv ya, > > * Hanoch* > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Pamela Barbera > wrote: > > Dear Betty, thank you for your thoughts. As a grand mother myself, I know > what you're talking about. have taken the liberty of forwarding this email > to my daughter as I think it will be appreciated. > > Shalom and Blessings, > > Pamela > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Betty Givin > > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:43 PM > > *Subject:* RE: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession > > Dear Pamela, > > This was especially beautiful and I thank you so much for sharing. Please > tell you daughter thank you as well. She must be special to have had the > insight to share this with you. As a mother of three beautiful daughters > (inside and out), a wonderful step-daughter, a step-son, 16 grandchildren > and one great-grandchild, I can so relate to this email on so many levels. > I would like to say ?Amein? to the ideas set forth in this article and offer > a few additional words of encouragement to all of you mothers on the list. > > There were many times, when my girls were growing up, that I felt > ?invisible.? And sometimes even now?and this is my confession? when I am > feeling down by the circumstances surrounding me, (including not being able > to get a job) ?in fact, I feel pretty much worthless?as though I have > nothing else major to accomplish in my life?that feeling comes back to me > again. I have to really fight hard and not let it overtake me because it is > destructive and detrimental, and I know that it is not true?I know that I am > not worthless, that I have been richly blessed by a beautiful family and > friends that love me and care about what happens to me. And even more so, I > know that HaShem has seen my efforts and the life I have built, with His > help, for myself and for my children and grandchildren. > > Motherhood is indeed a blessing?it often seems like a ?thankless? role. As > we have our babies and watch them grow into adolescence, the dependency that > they had on us to kiss their scraped knees, wipe away their tears, put them > to bed every night with prayers and hugs and kisses, is often replaced with > a desire on their part to ?distance? themselves from us. Of course they > still need us to taxi them around, cook dinner, buy clothes and all kinds of > other stuff?as we continue to sacrifice ourselves and our time to > accommodate them and their schedules, it seems that they don?t really care > about what we do for them?in fact as the article states below, it appears > that we do become more and more ?invisible? in their eyes as human beings in > our own right > > In fact, I have a humorous little story to share along those lines. One of > my daughters who will go unnamed, would continually tell me that I just > ?never heard? her, that I just ?never understood? her and that I just never > ?saw? her point in a disagreement. I finally got tired of hearing this > tirade over and over, so I decided to make a joke and confessed to being > deaf, dumb and blind in her eyes! I thought maybe a little humor might ease > some of the tension, but it went over like a lead balloon. Of course now > that she and her sisters are grown and have children of their own, and we > can laugh about it now. All of those feelings of ?distance? and resentment > are gone and I am very thankful to say that I now have a very wonderful and > close relationship with each of my girls?In fact, for Mother?s Day I > received a very sweet little decorator pillow with Proverbs 31:28 inscribed > on it??Her children shall rise up and call her blessed.? > > Looking back, I remember the pain of childbirth and the even deeper pain > and anguish that comes from sacrificing and doing all you can and trying > with all your heart to raise your children ?in the way they should go,? and > the feelings of rejection and failure that often try to creep in your heart > and take a foothold. I know that I made mistakes in raising my children, > yet, Baruch HaShem, He is compassionate and forgiving and was there beside > me, even within me, encouraging me all the way. And I can honestly and > truly say that every bit of pain and hurt that I felt was worth the > blessings that have come of it. I was able to continue steadfastly loving > my children because of the love He had for me?and although many times I felt > ?invisible? to them in their growing up years, I was never ?invisible? to > Him. He saw the life that I was ?building? > > I believe that in the Hebrew, there is a correlation between the word > ?build? and the word ?children.? According to a rabbinical teaching that I > heard years ago, this is no accident. I think they share the same root or > at least a portion of the same root. If you look at Gen. 29:3, it is > interesting to note the terminology. Raquel, who was unable to bear a > child, gives her handmaiden Bilhah to Yaaqov so that she (Raquel) will be > ?built up? from her; Dan is born as a result. I wish I could remember > more. Maybe someone else is aware of this significance and can add more to > the picture. > > Again, Pamela, thanks for this meaningful and encouraging email. > > L?Shalom v?Brachot, (with love and blessings) > > Elisheva/Betty > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/55871f5f/attachment.html From correim at gninc.ca Wed May 20 14:10:48 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:10:48 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] new mail address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A1455B8.7090602@gninc.ca> Betty and all, how do I go about this, I too have a new e-mail address effective immediately, how do I go about it that I don't get it to confuse your announcement of yours Betty? I have a tendency to make some quite stupid mistakes like the one I wrote the other day. I wrote, addressing an e-mail to Catherine, that I really should have addressed to Kim. Since no one responded to it I checked back to it to find out what was wrong with it. I have made those mistakes before. Some can even be so miss-understood, the way i write it, that I think I should be careful about even writing at all, to such a wide range of readers. I am getting a bit to high in age, since I have never even been good at it when I was younger. I was even wondering if I should bother giving my new address. But, again, I have had such encouraging e-mails in the past, when I was a bit down, that i would really miss this group of fine G-d fearing and tender hearted people that you all are. Please bear with my mistakes, and i will be careful not to write too much. I thought I had to send this note to you all separately, but i realize that is not necessary, i am not that important . It just did not dawn on me before. Cornie My new address is cormary at mts.net Betty K Givin wrote: > > Friends, my new email address effective immediately is > bkgivin at verizon.net > > > > Thanks, > > > > Elisheva/Betty > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/668f94a0/attachment.html From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Wed May 20 14:46:13 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:46:13 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] new mail address In-Reply-To: <4A1455B8.7090602@gninc.ca> References: <4A1455B8.7090602@gninc.ca> Message-ID: <052020091946.344.4A145E050002E7550000015822228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Cornie, Your new address just came through on the dialogue. I'm sure Ross will see it and add it to the list when he gets a moment to do so. He's a busy guy so please be patient. Is your old address going to remain active? -- Eliron/John. "Be excellent to each other!" Bill and Ted -------------- Original message from Cornie Reimer : -------------- Betty and all, how do I go about this, I too have a new e-mail address effective immediately, how do I go about it that I don't get it to confuse your announcement of yours Betty? I have a tendency to make some quite stupid mistakes like the one I wrote the other day. I wrote, addressing an e-mail to Catherine, that I really should have addressed to Kim. Since no one responded to it I checked back to it to find out what was wrong with it. I have made those mistakes before. Some can even be so miss-understood, the way i write it, that I think I should be careful about even writing at all, to such a wide range of readers. I am getting a bit to high in age, since I have never even been good at it when I was younger. I was even wondering if I should bother giving my new address. But, again, I have had such encouraging e-mails in the past, when I was a bit down, that i would really miss this group of fine G-d fearing and tender hearted people that you all are. Please bear with my mistakes, and i will be careful not to write too much. I thought I had to send this note to you all separately, but i realize that is not necessary, i am not that important . It just did not dawn on me before. Cornie My new address is cormary at mts.net Betty K Givin wrote: Friends, my new email address effective immediately is bkgivin at verizon.net Thanks, Elisheva/Betty _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/aad78c72/attachment.html From rndavar at aol.com Wed May 20 15:15:39 2009 From: rndavar at aol.com (Ross Nichols) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 20:15:39 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] new mail address In-Reply-To: <052020091946.344.4A145E050002E7550000015822228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <4A1455B8.7090602@gninc.ca><052020091946.344.4A145E050002E7550000015822228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <1639999626-1242850388-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-319799340-@bxe1298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I just added Betty's new address and the following for Cornie; Cormary at mts.net I hope this catches me up. Shalom, Ross Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:46:13 To: Subject: Re: [Dialogue] new mail address _______________________________________________ From correim at gninc.ca Wed May 20 15:57:55 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:57:55 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] new mail address In-Reply-To: <052020091946.344.4A145E050002E7550000015822228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <4A1455B8.7090602@gninc.ca> <052020091946.344.4A145E050002E7550000015822228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: <4A146ED3.7090402@gninc.ca> No my old address is not going to be active any more. Thank's for the information Cornie carlson_john at bellsouth.net wrote: > Cornie, > > Your new address just came through on the dialogue. I'm sure Ross > will see it and add it to the list when he gets a moment to do so. > He's a busy guy so please be patient. Is your old address going to > remain active? > > -- > Eliron/John. > > "Be excellent to each other!" > Bill and Ted > > > -------------- Original message from Cornie Reimer > : -------------- > > Betty and all, how do I go about this, I too have a new e-mail > address effective immediately, how do I go about it that I don't > get it to confuse your announcement of yours Betty? > > I have a tendency to make some quite stupid mistakes like the one > I wrote the other day. I wrote, addressing an e-mail to Catherine, > that I really should have addressed to Kim. Since no one responded > to it I checked back to it to find out what was wrong with it. I > have made those mistakes before. Some can even be so > miss-understood, the way i write it, that I think I should be > careful about even writing at all, to such a wide range of > readers. I am getting a bit to high in age, since I have never > even been good at it when I was younger. I was even wondering if I > should bother giving my new address. But, again, I have had such > encouraging e-mails in the past, when I was a bit down, that i > would really miss this group of fine G-d fearing and tender > hearted people that you all are. Please bear with my mistakes, and > i will be careful not to write too much. I thought I had to send > this note to you all separately, but i realize that is not > necessary, i am not that important . It just did not dawn on me > before. > > Cornie > > > > My new address is cormary at mts.net > > Betty K Givin wrote: >> >> Friends, my new email address effective immediately is >> bkgivin at verizon.net >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Elisheva/Betty >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/dfc45839/attachment.html From mhyde7 at tds.net Wed May 20 16:25:07 2009 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:25:07 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] new mail address In-Reply-To: <4A1455B8.7090602@gninc.ca> References: <4A1455B8.7090602@gninc.ca> Message-ID: <55B0DD28910D4E02A66F044C7E156B02@MarvinLT> Cornie, thanks for the new e=mail. You make sure you hang around here. You did not get those white hairs for nothing, you have much wisdom to share. Many times one of the greatest insights I get form this group is that people are people the world over. We all go through the same kind of life problems and it is a reaffirmation of the verse "there is nothing new under the sun", Beside's you can never tell when we might need and ole prayer warrior like yourself.:) How is that CD turning, have you played the lips off of Tracy Osbrone yet? At charlotte tracy sung a song off his new CD that he is working on.. if they all are as good as it was, we'll just have to get that CD also. Take care my friend, marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Cornie Reimer Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:11 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] new mail address Betty and all, how do I go about this, I too have a new e-mail address effective immediately, how do I go about it that I don't get it to confuse your announcement of yours Betty? I have a tendency to make some quite stupid mistakes like the one I wrote the other day. I wrote, addressing an e-mail to Catherine, that I really should have addressed to Kim. Since no one responded to it I checked back to it to find out what was wrong with it. I have made those mistakes before. Some can even be so miss-understood, the way i write it, that I think I should be careful about even writing at all, to such a wide range of readers. I am getting a bit to high in age, since I have never even been good at it when I was younger. I was even wondering if I should bother giving my new address. But, again, I have had such encouraging e-mails in the past, when I was a bit down, that i would really miss this group of fine G-d fearing and tender hearted people that you all are. Please bear with my mistakes, and i will be careful not to write too much. I thought I had to send this note to you all separately, but i realize that is not necessary, i am not that important . It just did not dawn on me before. 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/52237c14/attachment.html From bkgivin at verizon.net Wed May 20 16:52:00 2009 From: bkgivin at verizon.net (Betty K Givin) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:52:00 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] new mail address In-Reply-To: <1639999626-1242850388-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-319799340-@bxe1298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <4A1455B8.7090602@gninc.ca><052020091946.344.4A145E050002E7550000015822228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> <1639999626-1242850388-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-319799340-@bxe1298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <6B617D4CCF1F4D049971408FE2DB48F7@bettylaptop> Thanks Ross, you are a good man! We appreciate & love you for all that you do. Elisheva/Betty -----Original Message----- From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Ross Nichols Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:16 PM To: Dialogue List Subject: Re: [Dialogue] new mail address I just added Betty's new address and the following for Cornie; Cormary at mts.net I hope this catches me up. Shalom, Ross Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:46:13 To: Subject: Re: [Dialogue] new mail address _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ From correim at gninc.ca Wed May 20 20:07:42 2009 From: correim at gninc.ca (Cornie Reimer) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 20:07:42 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] new mail address In-Reply-To: <6B617D4CCF1F4D049971408FE2DB48F7@bettylaptop> References: <4A1455B8.7090602@gninc.ca><052020091946.344.4A145E050002E7550000015822228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> <1639999626-1242850388-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-319799340-@bxe1298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <6B617D4CCF1F4D049971408FE2DB48F7@bettylaptop> Message-ID: <4A14A95E.2040508@gninc.ca> Hi Ross thank you for changing my e-mail too. Cornie Betty K Givin wrote: > Thanks Ross, you are a good man! We appreciate & love you for all that you > do. > > Elisheva/Betty > > -----Original Message----- > From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org > [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Ross Nichols > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:16 PM > To: Dialogue List > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] new mail address > > I just added Betty's new address and the following for Cornie; > > Cormary at mts.net > > I hope this catches me up. Shalom, Ross > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net > > Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:46:13 > To: > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] new mail address > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 20 22:48:13 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:48:13 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession References: <201A0350DA3A473AA4CA812D51ECC8D8@bettylaptop> Message-ID: Dear Betty, you are correct of course, mothers and daughters do get to appreciate the strengths of one another more as we get older. We need each other to bounce ideas off. We may or may not take each others advice, but women just seem to need some one to talk to about matters, then they can figure out how to deal with the current situation, according to their previous experiences in life. In this group I can see this is also happening. so, in a way we become mothers and daughters, sisters and brothers, uncles and Aunts to each other. Love of HaShem and His scriptures is what binds us. Kol Tov, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty K Givin To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Thank you, Hanoch. It is no surprise that you can identify with the role of motherhood because you have taken and continue to take such an active role in raising your own beautiful daughters! Besides, you have those two babies you care nurturing and carrying around, right? (just kidding). And even though you will never be a grandma, you will make an awesome "zaide!" Thank you for the prayer of blessing and strength.I truly do need it. HaShem hasn't let me down yet! And I love you too, Hanoch, but I know you know that. Elisheva/Betty P.S. and Pamela, thanks again for sending this out and of course it is okay that you forwarded it to your daughter. I think we mothers and daughters appreciate one another so much more as we grow older and look back on our relationships. I know I appreciated my mother more and more thru the years. Please note my new email address: Some of my emails are not going thru! bkgivin at verizon.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Hanoch Young Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:30 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Betty - Even though you've written many things over the years, this is SO AMAZING, that my goose bumps have goose bumps!! Absolutely beautiful....and even though I'm not a grandma (at least, not that I know of...), I SO relate to what you wrote. Now I know where Kim gets it from....May HaShem bless you and give you strength. Luv ya, Hanoch On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Pamela Barbera wrote: Dear Betty, thank you for your thoughts. As a grand mother myself, I know what you're talking about. have taken the liberty of forwarding this email to my daughter as I think it will be appreciated. Shalom and Blessings, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Givin To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: RE: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Dear Pamela, This was especially beautiful and I thank you so much for sharing. Please tell you daughter thank you as well. She must be special to have had the insight to share this with you. As a mother of three beautiful daughters (inside and out), a wonderful step-daughter, a step-son, 16 grandchildren and one great-grandchild, I can so relate to this email on so many levels. I would like to say "Amein" to the ideas set forth in this article and offer a few additional words of encouragement to all of you mothers on the list. There were many times, when my girls were growing up, that I felt "invisible." And sometimes even now.and this is my confession. when I am feeling down by the circumstances surrounding me, (including not being able to get a job) .in fact, I feel pretty much worthless.as though I have nothing else major to accomplish in my life.that feeling comes back to me again. I have to really fight hard and not let it overtake me because it is destructive and detrimental, and I know that it is not true.I know that I am not worthless, that I have been richly blessed by a beautiful family and friends that love me and care about what happens to me. And even more so, I know that HaShem has seen my efforts and the life I have built, with His help, for myself and for my children and grandchildren. Motherhood is indeed a blessing.it often seems like a "thankless' role. As we have our babies and watch them grow into adolescence, the dependency that they had on us to kiss their scraped knees, wipe away their tears, put them to bed every night with prayers and hugs and kisses, is often replaced with a desire on their part to "distance" themselves from us. Of course they still need us to taxi them around, cook dinner, buy clothes and all kinds of other stuff.as we continue to sacrifice ourselves and our time to accommodate them and their schedules, it seems that they don't really care about what we do for them.in fact as the article states below, it appears that we do become more and more "invisible" in their eyes as human beings in our own right In fact, I have a humorous little story to share along those lines. One of my daughters who will go unnamed, would continually tell me that I just "never heard" her, that I just "never understood" her and that I just never "saw" her point in a disagreement. I finally got tired of hearing this tirade over and over, so I decided to make a joke and confessed to being deaf, dumb and blind in her eyes! I thought maybe a little humor might ease some of the tension, but it went over like a lead balloon. Of course now that she and her sisters are grown and have children of their own, and we can laugh about it now. All of those feelings of "distance" and resentment are gone and I am very thankful to say that I now have a very wonderful and close relationship with each of my girls.In fact, for Mother's Day I received a very sweet little decorator pillow with Proverbs 31:28 inscribed on it."Her children shall rise up and call her blessed." Looking back, I remember the pain of childbirth and the even deeper pain and anguish that comes from sacrificing and doing all you can and trying with all your heart to raise your children "in the way they should go," and the feelings of rejection and failure that often try to creep in your heart and take a foothold. I know that I made mistakes in raising my children, yet, Baruch HaShem, He is compassionate and forgiving and was there beside me, even within me, encouraging me all the way. And I can honestly and truly say that every bit of pain and hurt that I felt was worth the blessings that have come of it. I was able to continue steadfastly loving my children because of the love He had for me.and although many times I felt "invisible" to them in their growing up years, I was never "invisible" to Him. He saw the life that I was "building" I believe that in the Hebrew, there is a correlation between the word "build" and the word "children." According to a rabbinical teaching that I heard years ago, this is no accident. I think they share the same root or at least a portion of the same root. If you look at Gen. 29:3, it is interesting to note the terminology. Raquel, who was unable to bear a child, gives her handmaiden Bilhah to Yaaqov so that she (Raquel) will be "built up" from her; Dan is born as a result. I wish I could remember more. Maybe someone else is aware of this significance and can add more to the picture. Again, Pamela, thanks for this meaningful and encouraging email. L'Shalom v'Brachot, (with love and blessings) Elisheva/Betty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090521/2a6f928d/attachment.html From bkgivin at verizon.net Wed May 20 23:03:08 2009 From: bkgivin at verizon.net (Betty K Givin) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 23:03:08 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: References: <201A0350DA3A473AA4CA812D51ECC8D8@bettylaptop> Message-ID: Absolutely, Pamela.we women do need some one to talk to.and I love the bonding that is going on amongst all of us in this group, men and women.we are family, bonded together by the love of HaShem and His Torah! Kol tov to you as well! Elisheva/Betty P.S. I missed a good bit of emails when my computer was down. I am sure that you wrote something about yourself when you first joined the dialogue list. Would you mind sending me a copy? I am not even sure where you live, probably not in Texas.or what your background is.You can email it to me privately, bkgivin at verizon.net Just to let you know, I will be off list over the weekend.going to visit my daughter, Kim, in Houston. From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Pamela Barbera Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:48 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Dear Betty, you are correct of course, mothers and daughters do get to appreciate the strengths of one another more as we get older. We need each other to bounce ideas off. We may or may not take each others advice, but women just seem to need some one to talk to about matters, then they can figure out how to deal with the current situation, according to their previous experiences in life. In this group I can see this is also happening. so, in a way we become mothers and daughters, sisters and brothers, uncles and Aunts to each other. Love of HaShem and His scriptures is what binds us. Kol Tov, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty K Givin To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Thank you, Hanoch. It is no surprise that you can identify with the role of motherhood because you have taken and continue to take such an active role in raising your own beautiful daughters! Besides, you have those two babies you care nurturing and carrying around, right? (just kidding). And even though you will never be a grandma, you will make an awesome "zaide!" Thank you for the prayer of blessing and strength.I truly do need it. HaShem hasn't let me down yet! And I love you too, Hanoch, but I know you know that. Elisheva/Betty P.S. and Pamela, thanks again for sending this out and of course it is okay that you forwarded it to your daughter. I think we mothers and daughters appreciate one another so much more as we grow older and look back on our relationships. I know I appreciated my mother more and more thru the years. Please note my new email address: Some of my emails are not going thru! bkgivin at verizon.net _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Hanoch Young Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:30 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Betty - Even though you've written many things over the years, this is SO AMAZING, that my goose bumps have goose bumps!! Absolutely beautiful....and even though I'm not a grandma (at least, not that I know of...), I SO relate to what you wrote. Now I know where Kim gets it from....May HaShem bless you and give you strength. Luv ya, Hanoch On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Pamela Barbera wrote: Dear Betty, thank you for your thoughts. As a grand mother myself, I know what you're talking about. have taken the liberty of forwarding this email to my daughter as I think it will be appreciated. Shalom and Blessings, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Givin To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: RE: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Dear Pamela, This was especially beautiful and I thank you so much for sharing. Please tell you daughter thank you as well. She must be special to have had the insight to share this with you. As a mother of three beautiful daughters (inside and out), a wonderful step-daughter, a step-son, 16 grandchildren and one great-grandchild, I can so relate to this email on so many levels. I would like to say "Amein" to the ideas set forth in this article and offer a few additional words of encouragement to all of you mothers on the list. There were many times, when my girls were growing up, that I felt "invisible." And sometimes even now.and this is my confession. when I am feeling down by the circumstances surrounding me, (including not being able to get a job) .in fact, I feel pretty much worthless.as though I have nothing else major to accomplish in my life.that feeling comes back to me again. I have to really fight hard and not let it overtake me because it is destructive and detrimental, and I know that it is not true.I know that I am not worthless, that I have been richly blessed by a beautiful family and friends that love me and care about what happens to me. And even more so, I know that HaShem has seen my efforts and the life I have built, with His help, for myself and for my children and grandchildren. Motherhood is indeed a blessing.it often seems like a "thankless' role. As we have our babies and watch them grow into adolescence, the dependency that they had on us to kiss their scraped knees, wipe away their tears, put them to bed every night with prayers and hugs and kisses, is often replaced with a desire on their part to "distance" themselves from us. Of course they still need us to taxi them around, cook dinner, buy clothes and all kinds of other stuff.as we continue to sacrifice ourselves and our time to accommodate them and their schedules, it seems that they don't really care about what we do for them.in fact as the article states below, it appears that we do become more and more "invisible" in their eyes as human beings in our own right In fact, I have a humorous little story to share along those lines. One of my daughters who will go unnamed, would continually tell me that I just "never heard" her, that I just "never understood" her and that I just never "saw" her point in a disagreement. I finally got tired of hearing this tirade over and over, so I decided to make a joke and confessed to being deaf, dumb and blind in her eyes! I thought maybe a little humor might ease some of the tension, but it went over like a lead balloon. Of course now that she and her sisters are grown and have children of their own, and we can laugh about it now. All of those feelings of "distance" and resentment are gone and I am very thankful to say that I now have a very wonderful and close relationship with each of my girls.In fact, for Mother's Day I received a very sweet little decorator pillow with Proverbs 31:28 inscribed on it."Her children shall rise up and call her blessed." Looking back, I remember the pain of childbirth and the even deeper pain and anguish that comes from sacrificing and doing all you can and trying with all your heart to raise your children "in the way they should go," and the feelings of rejection and failure that often try to creep in your heart and take a foothold. I know that I made mistakes in raising my children, yet, Baruch HaShem, He is compassionate and forgiving and was there beside me, even within me, encouraging me all the way. And I can honestly and truly say that every bit of pain and hurt that I felt was worth the blessings that have come of it. I was able to continue steadfastly loving my children because of the love He had for me.and although many times I felt "invisible" to them in their growing up years, I was never "invisible" to Him. He saw the life that I was "building" I believe that in the Hebrew, there is a correlation between the word "build" and the word "children." According to a rabbinical teaching that I heard years ago, this is no accident. I think they share the same root or at least a portion of the same root. If you look at Gen. 29:3, it is interesting to note the terminology. Raquel, who was unable to bear a child, gives her handmaiden Bilhah to Yaaqov so that she (Raquel) will be "built up" from her; Dan is born as a result. I wish I could remember more. Maybe someone else is aware of this significance and can add more to the picture. Again, Pamela, thanks for this meaningful and encouraging email. L'Shalom v'Brachot, (with love and blessings) Elisheva/Betty _____ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090520/3dd01d30/attachment.html From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 20 23:04:53 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:04:53 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Worth REALLY thinking about References: <855590370905200724q1e511b80pf657a211706d6e86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95E6A7A04C374A578ED887218DFE5AC8@pamelahome> Brilliant article Hanoch, thank you so much for sharing.Shalom and Blessings, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: Hanoch Young To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:24 AM Subject: [Dialogue] Worth REALLY thinking about When Strange Things Happen By HaRav Ariel Bar Tzadok. Copyright (C) 2009 by Ariel Bar Tzadok. All rights reserved. There is a terrible misunderstanding about religion that runs rampant in all segments of religious communities. It has become a common belief that because one is religious, then somehow one's life is supposed to become miraculously free of worry, hardships and normal everyday troubles. Somehow it has become a common belief that when normal everyday troubles befall us we can simply turn to words of Torah, recite certain prayers or do certain rituals and then magically all our problems just disappear. Those of us who live in the real world and live according to the real Torah recognize that there is no such superstitious connection between life's hardships and their magical solutions. In other words, Torah is not magic or superstition, it is real living for real people facing real problems in the real world. There is no mystical connection between religious rituals, mystical prayers or ceremonies and the challenges of real circumstances that happen in real life. Whether we like it or not, we are all subject to natural daily troubles. As Curly Howard would say, we are all, "victims of circumstance" (nyuck, nyuck). And these, by no means, are limited to the forces of nature and the elements. I also include within this the machinations and sufferings we experience daily from other human beings. No human being who has ever lived on Earth has ever been free from daily problems. This is Torah truth! Therefore, no religious person should ever say or believe that just by being religious makes one's problems to go away. Anyone who turns to religion thinking that it will somehow cure one of this or that problem is making a serious mistake. Life in this world is now and has always been about hardships. In the words of the old country western song, "I beg your pardon; I never promised you a rose garden." We human beings were kicked out of the Garden of Eden and now we all live here on Jungle Earth. Jungle living is no paradise. It is more like Hell than Heaven. Indeed, were it not for Torah we would have all degraded to the level of the animal instead of striving to become full human beings. Yet, in order to become fully human Torah must be embraced properly and in its natural and normal form. Real Torah is about personal human transformation. Real faith is the acceptance of life's problems as having a greater purpose and meaning in one's life. Walking with G-d is like a test or even like a game. This is the lesson we learn from every Biblical and Talmudic role-model. Each of them, without exception lived lives full of turmoil and stress. We learn from them how to we must deal with our own. When something strange, bizarre and unusual occurs, rather than lose control and stress out over how one is to handle the unknown, one should instead turns one's inner eye to Heaven and silently says, "Ribono Shel Olam (Master of the universe), I know there is a purpose in this, I admit that I do not know it and I certainly do not understand it, nevertheless may You guide my mind, my heart and my actions that I may navigate myself through these circumstances with wisdom and correctness. Let me do the right thing and may you grant me insight, Amen." This prayer expresses simple faith. Faith, the Gemara (Macot 24) tell us sums up the whole Torah and it is the definition of being righteous (Habakuk). One who walks this natural path of Living Torah has no need for magical ceremonies or mystical rites (Segulot). A person of true faith does not believe in the fantasy of magic, nor does such a one try to manipulate or influence Heaven to go against its natural course and in favor of one's personal desires. Such attempts violate the very spirit of Torah and contradict the very essence of faith. Strange things and bad things happen daily. Very strange things, even tragedies happen regularly to even the most religious of the religious. Those so afflicted may try a number of spiritual remedies and seek out numerous Kabbalists and Rabbis for blessings and intervention. Sometimes these work, yet many times they do not. When the promised (and often paid for) magic does not work, people often turn on themselves believing that only if one were more worthy then somehow the Torah magic would work. They then turn to more and more strict religious observances and prayers, only to find out that still, they have not won the lotto or that someone is still dying of cancer or that still one cannot find a suitable marriage partner. Magic blessings do not work any magic. Only real hard word work brings about real and tangible results. The best blessing that one can receive is that one will be granted the wisdom to see what needs to be practically done and to do it. When one has an issue in this real world, one must pause, compose oneself, and silently seek wisdom within how best it is to handle the situation at hand. Magic does not work, but practical, realistic steps do. G-d is the author of the natural world. He is Elohim (Gematria 86), creator of all the laws of nature (HaTeva, Gematria also 86). What is natural must be addressed naturally. This should not be a revelation to anyone. It is common sense and the foundation of our Torah. In today's world we are bombarded with daily confusion, troubles and turmoil. There is no peace, not in the home, not in the society and not in the economy. The present world situation is enough to drive anyone insane. Daily stress levels are literally putting people in early graves. To make matters even worse, everyday people are acting in the most despicably impersonal, inhuman and unsympathetic of ways. In the business world, customer service is a joke. It is more like customer abuse and no one seems to care at all. Our politicians are in a world of their own, apparently beholden only to those who line their pockets with election support. Our big businesses follow interests which certainly seem not to take into account the needs of the everyday worker who makes those businesses thrive. We are living in a heartless, immoral, uncaring society and everyday matters seem to get worse and worse. Now, do not get all religious on me and start quoting to me religious teachings about optimism and the like. No, I refuse to look at the world with "rose-colored" glasses and say, "this too is for good." Our present reality is pretty bad and we only lie to ourselves when we redefine matters by turning them upside down in order interpret them for the best. No, the world today is hopelessly corrupt. And this is because the people in it are hopelessly corrupt. Things will not get magically better. No Messiah is coming to sprinkle magic fairy-dust and to miraculously change the hearts of evil and selfish people. No, the evil and heartless are not destined to be miraculously saved. The evil and heartless are destined by Heaven to meet their rightful destinies which is none other than to reap the fruits of their own planting. They will be forced to live in the world of their own making and to die because of it. No magic will change this; no amount of religion will make this go away. We are again in a time like the generation before the Flood and like the generation that was enslaved in Egypt. Both generations witnessed a great cleansing which materialized in the downfall and destruction of the present civilization. Why on Earth do we think we will fare any different? But yes, we do believe that we are different, that G-d will miraculous intervene and magically make all our problems go away. We run "la-de-da" around in blissful ignorance and denial about the present state of the world. Yes, strange things are happening around us, some of them are devastating; almost all of them are bad. Our magical belief in protection by religion will not save us nor keep us safe. The only thing that can ever protect us is our shield of practical faith and our swords of wisdom, using G-d given common sense bestowed upon us by Heaven to see the coming storm clouds and to take the necessary precautions. Faith is not what you believe; it is what you do! Many may believe me to be overly pessimistic. But let me tell you this, I am very well aware of the positive in this world, the countless number of good people and the deeds that they do. Indeed, those good people whoever and wherever they may be are indeed blessed by Heaven and Heaven will protect them. But Heaven will protect only them, not everyone else, not necessarily even those around them. Do not think that you can rely upon the merits of this or that Tzadik and thus all will be well with you. Do not think that your donation to a Kabbalist or to his yeshiva will somehow magically save you from future troubles. Do not be so superstitious. Do not be so na?ve. Do not be deceived into believing that you can somehow bribe Heaven. When we give we do so for the right cause; to help another, not for what we get out of it in return. Those who give with sincerity receive with sincerity. Those who give with strings attached often get nothing in return. One cannot fool Heaven; one can only fool one's self. Rabbis and Kabbalists can and do pray for people and solicit Heaven with sincerity to show mercy upon those in sincere need. But this is the limit of their powers. The true Sages live by faith and they teach others to do the same. We must never be afraid of the future or of the many enemies that surround us. Granted they are stronger than us and committed to our harm. We cannot change this so we should not bother to try. What we should be doing instead is making ourselves to be better, more honorable human beings. We should do everything in our power not to stoop to the lows of those heartless SOBs who seek our harm. We must be better than this! We are human beings created in the Divine Image. We therefore must act like human beings and not like wounded animals. We are human beings. We have names. We are not numbers or mere cogs in a machine. We are not mere components in the system of "Big Brother" to be used and discarded when no longer useful. We will not change the world. We cannot control what happens to us. But we can have absolute control over how we respond to what happens to us. When daily confronted by the heartless bureaucrat who treats everyone like a number or like a thing, we can respond like human beings. This does not mean that we are always nice, smiley and turning the other cheek in perpetual forgiveness. On the contrary, such is not the Torah way. Only when one is remorseful for wanton behavior and expresses such with true sincerity and change of behavior do we open our arms to embrace and forgive. Yet, when heartless people continue to act like animals, it is then a mitzvah to treat them like they deserve. We do no lower ourselves to act towards them as they act towards us, but we do keep our encounters with them brief, businesslike and highly impersonal. They do not like us and we in turn do not like them. They want to treat us like numbers or like fellow animals; we in turn must remember who we are and act as human beings. When our fellow human beings act like animals, we distance ourselves from them as we would from any other wild animal. Such human animals are dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. I never believe in mistreating another, still I never allow them to treat me with less dignity than any human being deserves. Some might consider this to be a path towards confrontation and being non-conforming. So be it. Let people consider what they wish. They will not be around for much longer. Do you really think the world can go on as it is for another generation without fundamental radical changes that will change the very fabric of society itself? We live in strange, uncertain, and unstable times. Things will not be getting better soon. The storm clouds are on the horizon and those who wish to survive had better start thinking about this now. My dear readers, you have no idea of what is "coming down the pike" in the short time to come. You may not see it, notice it or maybe even care about it. But it is coming nonetheless. It is time for the sleepers to awaken, while they still have the ability to be aroused. The animals will perish and only the true human beings will survive. Torah teaches us how to be human beings in our present jungle world. We cannot escape the trials and tribulations of jungle life. Torah does not transform our world into a garden. All Torah does is to give us the opportunity to transform ourselves. Bad things will continue to happen. This is the nature of the jungle. We cannot control it. All we can do is learn to respond humanly and humanely. Do not turn to religion for miracles; rather turn to Torah for wisdom, proper guidance and natural (Elokim=HaTeva) direction. Superstitions and misguided faith will always let you down. Real Torah and real faith on the other hand will always lift you up. Trust in Heaven and do the right things, but do not think that one without the other is enough. Faith is what you do, not what you believe. Stop believing in make-believe religious magic. This is not Torah. Start being real. Be a man! This is a lesson equal for all males and females. Only in this is Heaven's blessing. As Benjamin Franklin said, "G-d helps those who help themselves." Do not expect Heaven to do what we are supposed to do, but do trust in G-d that He can and will do that which we cannot. The animals are being corralled, only to be hunted down. The jungle will soon be cut down. Chose wisely if you truly wish to stand up and be human; for if you do, now is the time to start acting it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090521/796fa074/attachment.html From mhyde7 at tds.net Thu May 21 04:21:11 2009 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 05:21:11 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Worth REALLY thinking about In-Reply-To: <95E6A7A04C374A578ED887218DFE5AC8@pamelahome> References: <855590370905200724q1e511b80pf657a211706d6e86@mail.gmail.com> <95E6A7A04C374A578ED887218DFE5AC8@pamelahome> Message-ID: <52C61AE17F914626B38B03F6FBDA42C7@MarvinLT> Hanoch, God has surely blessed you to be a gold miner, this is a real gold nugget. Thanks for passing it along. We live in a real world, with real problems, and the real answers are truly found in the Torah. I keep thinking abut what James Tabor said at the UIWU conference. United Isreal = world Union, and to think we are living in the day to see Hashem regathering his people. I told someone yesterday, the rabbis talk about the birth pains of messiah . Well Daddy the baby is coming .. grab your suitcase, get over your fear and lets get moving .. the baby is coming and you can?t stop it. Marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Pamela Barbera Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:05 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Worth REALLY thinking about Brilliant article Hanoch, thank you so much for sharing.Shalom and Blessings, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: Hanoch Young To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:24 AM Subject: [Dialogue] Worth REALLY thinking about When Strange Things Happen By HaRav Ariel Bar Tzadok. Copyright (C) 2009 by Ariel Bar Tzadok. All rights reserved. There is a terrible misunderstanding about religion that runs rampant in all segments of religious communities. It has become a common belief that because one is religious, then somehow one's life is supposed to become miraculously free of worry, hardships and normal everyday troubles. Somehow it has become a common belief that when normal everyday troubles befall us we can simply turn to words of Torah, recite certain prayers or do certain rituals and then magically all our problems just disappear. Those of us who live in the real world and live according to the real Torah recognize that there is no such superstitious connection between life's hardships and their magical solutions. In other words, Torah is not magic or superstition, it is real living for real people facing real problems in the real world. There is no mystical connection between religious rituals, mystical prayers or ceremonies and the challenges of real circumstances that happen in real life. Whether we like it or not, we are all subject to natural daily troubles. As Curly Howard would say, we are all, "victims of circumstance" (nyuck, nyuck). And these, by no means, are limited to the forces of nature and the elements. I also include within this the machinations and sufferings we experience daily from other human beings. No human being who has ever lived on Earth has ever been free from daily problems. This is Torah truth! Therefore, no religious person should ever say or believe that just by being religious makes one's problems to go away. Anyone who turns to religion thinking that it will somehow cure one of this or that problem is making a serious mistake. Life in this world is now and has always been about hardships. In the words of the old country western song, "I beg your pardon; I never promised you a rose garden." We human beings were kicked out of the Garden of Eden and now we all live here on Jungle Earth. Jungle living is no paradise. It is more like Hell than Heaven. Indeed, were it not for Torah we would have all degraded to the level of the animal instead of striving to become full human beings. Yet, in order to become fully human Torah must be embraced properly and in its natural and normal form. Real Torah is about personal human transformation. Real faith is the acceptance of life's problems as having a greater purpose and meaning in one's life. Walking with G-d is like a test or even like a game. This is the lesson we learn from every Biblical and Talmudic role-model. Each of them, without exception lived lives full of turmoil and stress. We learn from them how to we must deal with our own. When something strange, bizarre and unusual occurs, rather than lose control and stress out over how one is to handle the unknown, one should instead turns one's inner eye to Heaven and silently says, "Ribono Shel Olam (Master of the universe), I know there is a purpose in this, I admit that I do not know it and I certainly do not understand it, nevertheless may You guide my mind, my heart and my actions that I may navigate myself through these circumstances with wisdom and correctness. Let me do the right thing and may you grant me insight, Amen." This prayer expresses simple faith. Faith, the Gemara (Macot 24) tell us sums up the whole Torah and it is the definition of being righteous (Habakuk). One who walks this natural path of Living Torah has no need for magical ceremonies or mystical rites (Segulot). A person of true faith does not believe in the fantasy of magic, nor does such a one try to manipulate or influence Heaven to go against its natural course and in favor of one's personal desires. Such attempts violate the very spirit of Torah and contradict the very essence of faith. Strange things and bad things happen daily. Very strange things, even tragedies happen regularly to even the most religious of the religious. Those so afflicted may try a number of spiritual remedies and seek out numerous Kabbalists and Rabbis for blessings and intervention. Sometimes these work, yet many times they do not. When the promised (and often paid for) magic does not work, people often turn on themselves believing that only if one were more worthy then somehow the Torah magic would work. They then turn to more and more strict religious observances and prayers, only to find out that still, they have not won the lotto or that someone is still dying of cancer or that still one cannot find a suitable marriage partner. Magic blessings do not work any magic. Only real hard word work brings about real and tangible results. The best blessing that one can receive is that one will be granted the wisdom to see what needs to be practically done and to do it. When one has an issue in this real world, one must pause, compose oneself, and silently seek wisdom within how best it is to handle the situation at hand. Magic does not work, but practical, realistic steps do. G-d is the author of the natural world. He is Elohim (Gematria 86), creator of all the laws of nature (HaTeva, Gematria also 86). What is natural must be addressed naturally. This should not be a revelation to anyone. It is common sense and the foundation of our Torah. In today's world we are bombarded with daily confusion, troubles and turmoil. There is no peace, not in the home, not in the society and not in the economy. The present world situation is enough to drive anyone insane. Daily stress levels are literally putting people in early graves. To make matters even worse, everyday people are acting in the most despicably impersonal, inhuman and unsympathetic of ways. In the business world, customer service is a joke. It is more like customer abuse and no one seems to care at all. Our politicians are in a world of their own, apparently beholden only to those who line their pockets with election support. Our big businesses follow interests which certainly seem not to take into account the needs of the everyday worker who makes those businesses thrive. We are living in a heartless, immoral, uncaring society and everyday matters seem to get worse and worse. Now, do not get all religious on me and start quoting to me religious teachings about optimism and the like. No, I refuse to look at the world with "rose-colored" glasses and say, "this too is for good." Our present reality is pretty bad and we only lie to ourselves when we redefine matters by turning them upside down in order interpret them for the best. No, the world today is hopelessly corrupt. And this is because the people in it are hopelessly corrupt. Things will not get magically better. No Messiah is coming to sprinkle magic fairy-dust and to miraculously change the hearts of evil and selfish people. No, the evil and heartless are not destined to be miraculously saved. The evil and heartless are destined by Heaven to meet their rightful destinies which is none other than to reap the fruits of their own planting. They will be forced to live in the world of their own making and to die because of it. No magic will change this; no amount of religion will make this go away. We are again in a time like the generation before the Flood and like the generation that was enslaved in Egypt. Both generations witnessed a great cleansing which materialized in the downfall and destruction of the present civilization. Why on Earth do we think we will fare any different? But yes, we do believe that we are different, that G-d will miraculous intervene and magically make all our problems go away. We run "la-de-da" around in blissful ignorance and denial about the present state of the world. Yes, strange things are happening around us, some of them are devastating; almost all of them are bad. Our magical belief in protection by religion will not save us nor keep us safe. The only thing that can ever protect us is our shield of practical faith and our swords of wisdom, using G-d given common sense bestowed upon us by Heaven to see the coming storm clouds and to take the necessary precautions. Faith is not what you believe; it is what you do! Many may believe me to be overly pessimistic. But let me tell you this, I am very well aware of the positive in this world, the countless number of good people and the deeds that they do. Indeed, those good people whoever and wherever they may be are indeed blessed by Heaven and Heaven will protect them. But Heaven will protect only them, not everyone else, not necessarily even those around them. Do not think that you can rely upon the merits of this or that Tzadik and thus all will be well with you. Do not think that your donation to a Kabbalist or to his yeshiva will somehow magically save you from future troubles. Do not be so superstitious. Do not be so na?ve. Do not be deceived into believing that you can somehow bribe Heaven. When we give we do so for the right cause; to help another, not for what we get out of it in return. Those who give with sincerity receive with sincerity. Those who give with strings attached often get nothing in return. One cannot fool Heaven; one can only fool one's self. Rabbis and Kabbalists can and do pray for people and solicit Heaven with sincerity to show mercy upon those in sincere need. But this is the limit of their powers. The true Sages live by faith and they teach others to do the same. We must never be afraid of the future or of the many enemies that surround us. Granted they are stronger than us and committed to our harm. We cannot change this so we should not bother to try. What we should be doing instead is making ourselves to be better, more honorable human beings. We should do everything in our power not to stoop to the lows of those heartless SOBs who seek our harm. We must be better than this! We are human beings created in the Divine Image. We therefore must act like human beings and not like wounded animals. We are human beings. We have names. We are not numbers or mere cogs in a machine. We are not mere components in the system of "Big Brother" to be used and discarded when no longer useful. We will not change the world. We cannot control what happens to us. But we can have absolute control over how we respond to what happens to us. When daily confronted by the heartless bureaucrat who treats everyone like a number or like a thing, we can respond like human beings. This does not mean that we are always nice, smiley and turning the other cheek in perpetual forgiveness. On the contrary, such is not the Torah way. Only when one is remorseful for wanton behavior and expresses such with true sincerity and change of behavior do we open our arms to embrace and forgive. Yet, when heartless people continue to act like animals, it is then a mitzvah to treat them like they deserve. We do no lower ourselves to act towards them as they act towards us, but we do keep our encounters with them brief, businesslike and highly impersonal. They do not like us and we in turn do not like them. They want to treat us like numbers or like fellow animals; we in turn must remember who we are and act as human beings. When our fellow human beings act like animals, we distance ourselves from them as we would from any other wild animal. Such human animals are dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. I never believe in mistreating another, still I never allow them to treat me with less dignity than any human being deserves. Some might consider this to be a path towards confrontation and being non-conforming. So be it. Let people consider what they wish. They will not be around for much longer. Do you really think the world can go on as it is for another generation without fundamental radical changes that will change the very fabric of society itself? We live in strange, uncertain, and unstable times. Things will not be getting better soon. The storm clouds are on the horizon and those who wish to survive had better start thinking about this now. My dear readers, you have no idea of what is "coming down the pike" in the short time to come. You may not see it, notice it or maybe even care about it. But it is coming nonetheless. It is time for the sleepers to awaken, while they still have the ability to be aroused. The animals will perish and only the true human beings will survive. Torah teaches us how to be human beings in our present jungle world. We cannot escape the trials and tribulations of jungle life. Torah does not transform our world into a garden. All Torah does is to give us the opportunity to transform ourselves. Bad things will continue to happen. This is the nature of the jungle. We cannot control it. All we can do is learn to respond humanly and humanely. Do not turn to religion for miracles; rather turn to Torah for wisdom, proper guidance and natural (Elokim=HaTeva) direction. Superstitions and misguided faith will always let you down. Real Torah and real faith on the other hand will always lift you up. Trust in Heaven and do the right things, but do not think that one without the other is enough. Faith is what you do, not what you believe. Stop believing in make-believe religious magic. This is not Torah. Start being real. Be a man! This is a lesson equal for all males and females. Only in this is Heaven's blessing. As Benjamin Franklin said, "G-d helps those who help themselves." Do not expect Heaven to do what we are supposed to do, but do trust in G-d that He can and will do that which we cannot. The animals are being corralled, only to be hunted down. The jungle will soon be cut down. Chose wisely if you truly wish to stand up and be human; for if you do, now is the time to start acting it. _____ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090521/2d90f07c/attachment.html From mhyde7 at tds.net Thu May 21 05:28:45 2009 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 06:28:45 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D123E9761874DA8B7CA2EEFE6B3582C@MarvinLT> Thanks, Betty, As I wrote cornie, it is easy sometimes to get all down in the mouth about our problems and loose sight of the problems our fellow man is struggling through but we come to understand the longer we live that there is truly nothing new under the sun. I was touched by Kim's e-mail a few days ago and almost wrote her but didn't. Many times in life we are faced with situations and we have choices to make as parents and we make the best decisions and choices we can make at the time. Many times we look back and wish we had done differently or made a better choice, but your correct in the end it all works out. Tell Kim we are supporting her with our prayers. Loosing ones mother has got to be one of the hardest things one deals with in life. During the conference one evening we were sitting in the courtyard with Chris C. and his Mother and Mr. Dave T. talking and sharing and as I set listening to Mrs. C. and in a good way was a little jealous or envious of the time that Chris was living in with his Mother. It is a special time for them in their life's. That time is past for me, I have moved in to a new phase now. Mothers are different then our fathers, God created them, and gave then such a special place in his creation. The other day someone mentioned that the bible teaches us to respect and honor our father, but teaches to fear our mother, using the same word that is used in our fear of God. Anyone got info. On this? Betty, I got some good news last night form my daughter. She and her husband have started to shift their focus toward God and she related some good news about her older sister who was dealing with choices she had to make and from what I was told it look like she was leaning in the right direction. Ross, if your reading this.. you know the story I related the last night of the conference when you, Web and his wife and I were talking about the strange ways God deals with some of us. Well this is the son in law, I told the story of about the bear, rabbit and a fox. I'm not a dreamer, although they tell us we dream almost every night. But the other night I dreamt that my daughter came to see me, she and I have not talked in over 6 months. Back last year she made choices that I could not support her in. I made a principled choice as a parent and fearer of God and that choice caused separation(her choice). But, One of the last things I told her, I can't live your life for you, You have to make your own choices and choose your own path. But the most important thing is ... You have to find God for yourself and until you make your peace with God you want be happy. So you are correct, these difficult times do and will past. I remember something they use to teach us back in our church days, take your cares to God and leave them on the altar. Have a blessed day, Marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Betty K Givin Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:50 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession Marvin, Thank you for your heartfelt email. Yes, definitely this parenting stuff is hard work, especially for those parents who pour everything into raising or "building" their children. But, I promise, all of this that goes on with the children will pass! I cannot imagine how difficult it is for fathers like you and Hanoch to raise children pretty much without their mother. You are to be honored, and should be getting "Mother's Day cards with the rest of us! Your accounting of your own mother in her present state of mind was heartbreaking! I am so sorry you are going thru this. The role reversal is so hard when we as children, have to take on the role of becoming parents to our parents. James and I went thru this to a degree with our own mother before she died nearly two years ago (may her memory always be for a blessing); but not to the degree that you are facing as she always knew who we are. I never showed her a family group picture and asked her who the people were. If I had, I might have gotten the same response. I was visiting the mother of an acquaintance of mine who is in an assisted living center several weeks back. In order to promote conversation, I began asking her about the family pictures on the wall. She identified nearly all of them as her brothers and sisters, and oddly enough, identified herself as her mother. All of a sudden it hit me.she can no longer internalize her own age because she is living in the past much of the time The elderly woman in the photo could never be her, so it has to be her mother, and her children could never be as old as they are, so they have to be her brothers and sisters. As far as not recognizing you, Marvin, I cannot imagine how much that hurts, and explanations probably don't help that much, but she probably doesn't see her son as being a man as old as you are.not that you are old, but if she is looking at herself as still young, then you cannot possibly be her son. She remembers you as her little boy. Sometimes when I would go visit my mother, she would ask me if I had talked to Dad today (he died in 1982), and tell me that she was worried because he was late and she wasn't sure when he said he would be back. I was shocked and hurt and confused, and later talked to the staff about how to handle this. I was told that it is best to just answer her question with the truth, so I did. I gently reminded her that Dad had died in 1982. It was hard, but she then remembered, saying how silly that was of her. Other times I would go over and she would tell me that she was ready to leave the "hotel" and go back home, or that she was getting dressed to go meet Dad at the base for lunch.One day I came in and she told me how tired she was. When I asked her what she had been doing, she told me that "those children" had been over at her house for three days and she was exhausted from chasing them around! Kim's sister, Beth, has 6 children, and would come visit her from time to time, but rarely for more than 30 minutes at a time. Mom went in and out of reality, and I suppose there comes a time when people with Alzheimer's get "stuck" in the past and create their own reality in the past. The only "up" side to all this is that in their own minds, the past is probably a happier place that the present. My heart goes out to you, Marvin and my prayers will be with you and your mother as well as with your children. I suppose all you can do now is bring her comfort and be kind and loving to her (which I know you are) in the state where she is, and remember her as she was and all the love she gave you growing up. She hasn't forgotten her little boy, Marvin.she just doesn't see that you are right there with her in the present. Dick Libby sent out a beautiful email a number of years ago entitled, "My Two Mothers," that really helped me and I think it would help you and others who are going thru what you are. I kept it for years and then when my computer crashed a number of years ago, I lost it and was so disappointed. I will email him and ask him to circulate it again if he still has it. Thanks for writing and for the hug from Roger. I am sending you a big one back thru cyber space. We all love you and many of us can identify with your pain. Love and Blessings, Elisheva/Betty P.S. Please note my new email address: some of my emails have not been going thru It is bkgivin at verizon.net _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of mhyde Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:21 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Betty, I have deleted the larger portion of this dialogue to save space. Thanks for writing and for Pamela forwarding her piece. Im telling you, this parenting stuff is hard work. Like Hanoch, I can appreciate and relate to the work of a Mom when as a male you have to raise children and daughters without their mother. Then as Kim, experiencing children who seem to want nothing to do with you, yes this will pass also, ..... they tell me! Then as I deal with my own situation with my mother, who is dealing with dementia / Alzheimer's and knowing she is slowly slipping away. Mom was once invisible to me, now I have become invisible to my mother. Yesterday morning I went to check on Mom like I do or have done many times before and I decided to asked a few questions. You know, " they say do not ask questions if your not prepared for the answer". Mother knew exactly when her birth date was, she even knew my name was Marvin, but she did not know I was her son. That was sad... I got up and went to the mantle and got the family picture of Mom and Dad and their 9 childern. Mom, can you tell me who these people are? She named them all, except her husband, she wasn't sure who he was, she thought maybe one of her brothers. Who are these people Mom? They're my brothers and sisters. That broke my heart. The mother that was once invisible to us was now slowly loosing all memory of her family and we are becoming invisible to her. Tell Roger to give you a big hug for me. Marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Hanoch Young Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:30 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Betty - Even though you've written many things over the years, this is SO AMAZING, that my goose bumps have goose bumps!! Absolutely beautiful....and even though I'm not a grandma (at least, not that I know of...), I SO relate to what you wrote. Now I know where Kim gets it from....May HaShem bless you and give you strength. Luv ya, Hanoch Elisheva/Betty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Worth REALLY thinking about Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 07:24:24 -0700 Size: 39417 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090521/fe9bf4e6/attachment.eml From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 21 06:54:11 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:54:11 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession] References: <4A15362B.2010405@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <118E38B80545422AA88448E7CBBB8BDB@pamelahome> Very good Joe, keep up the good work. shalom, and Shabat Shalom, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: JOE INDOMENICO To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession] Shalom Chaverim, It has been wonderful to read all the encouraging emails that have been sent by all the lovely mothers and grandmothers, yes and you too Hanoch, for your own motherly instincts in rearing Ayala and Kyra. Your emails have been a blessing for all of us, especially for those that are facing hardships at this time. It is uplifting to see how we support one another. However, as I was reading the wonderful email from Pamela, I felt a stirring deep down inside and it has not left me all day even through a very hard day at work amidst extremely violent and foul weather on the Gold Coast. Let me explain. HaShem created Adam in the image of Elohim, both male and female He created them. The sages tell us that HaShem has ten different attributes or sefirot. On a more simplistic level, HaShem has male and female aspects. YHVH - L-rd represents His mercy and loving kindness or feminine nature. ELOHIM - G-d represents His justice and righteousness or masculine nature. Therefore when ever you see YHVH or L-rd written in English in the Torah, remember mercy and loving kindness. When ever you see ELOHIM or G-d written in English in the Torah, remember justice and righteousness. So ELOHIM created the world in righteousness and justice in Genesis chapter 1. However in chapter 2 we have YHVH ELOHIM. At the Sea of Reeds you grasp the true nature of YHVH ELOHIM. YHVH towards Am Yisrael ELOHIM towards Egypt and Pharaoh. It may be likened to a king who had empty vessels. The king said "If I put hot water into them they will crack ; if I put icy cold water into them they will contract" What did the king do? He mixed the hot and cold water and poured the mixture into the vessels, and they endured. Similarly said the Holy One, blessed be he, "If I create the world only with the attribute of mercy, sins will multiply beyond all bounds ; if I create the world only with the attribute of justice, how can the world last? Behold I will create the world with both attributes ; would that it might endure!" (Gen R xii. 15) Indeed, it was only because the quality of mercy prevailed at Creation that the human race was allowed to come into being. "When the Holy One, blessed be He, came to create the first man, He foresaw that both righteous and wicked would issue from him. He said, "If I create him, wicked men will issue from him ; if I do not create him, how can righteous men spring forth from him ? What did He do ? He removed the way of the wicked from before Him, allied the attribute of mercy with Himself and created him. ( Gen R viii. 4) If compassion was the deciding cause of Creation, its victory over stern justice is the reason of the world's continuance in the face of wickedness. Even His abode, "Shamayim "or Heaven is a mixture of these attributes. Shamayim is made up of two words, "esh"- fire and "mayim"- water. Esh is His attribute of justice and righteousness , His masculine aspect. Mayim is His attribute of mercy and loving kindness, His feminine aspect. I meditated on the letter "tet" and its relationship with the word "tov" - goodness. HaShem creation during the seven days of creation was good. However I have always wondered why the word "tov" was not used for the second day of creation as compared to the other days. ? ????????? ????????, ????? ??????? ???????? ????????, ?????? ?????????, ????? ????? ???????. 6 And G-d said: 'Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.' ? ????????? ????????, ???-?????????, ??????????? ????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ?????????, ?????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????????; ???????-???. 7 And G-d made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. ? ?????????? ???????? ?????????, ????????; ???????-????? ???????-?????, ???? ??????. {?} 8 And G-d called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. {P} My only conclusion for the omission of the word "tov" from the second day of creation is that HaShem used "mayim"to destroy the generation of the flood through mercy to ensure the continuation of humanity and that HaShem will employ "esh" for the final judgment during the Yom h'Din as is stated in the Nevi'im. Why am I bringing this whole thing up ??? HaShem in His feminine attribute of mercy and kindness becomes like the "Invisible Mother." This concept has had me in its grip all day. How many times do we take His mercy and loving kindness for granted ? Thank you HaShem for giving us the air to breathe and to praise your Holy Name! Thank you HaShem for giving us water to drink and to sustain our souls! Thank you HaShem for giving us food to eat and heavenly Mann to edify us! Thank you HaShem for allowing the sun to shine today and to heal us! Thank you HaShem for allowing the night to arrive so that we may rest and sleep so that we may be revived at the resurrection. Thank you HaShem for providing shelter over our heads and building your temple in our hearts Thank you HaShem for being the Invisible Motherly HaShem who unconditionally provides and loves and loves and loves!!!!..... even if we do not merit it. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090521/d7a6b13b/attachment.html From jid at westnet.com.au Thu May 21 07:03:48 2009 From: jid at westnet.com.au (JOE INDOMENICO) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 22:03:48 +1000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Dialogue] new mail address] Message-ID: <4A154324.7020409@westnet.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Question & Answer With Rabbi Dovid Sears - Vidui Devarim http://asimplejew.blogspot.com:80/2009/05/question-answer-with-rabbi-dovid-sears.html I too have found myself in circumstances that have brought about an estrangement between myself and my oldest daughter. It is heart breaking... All this, in context of the times we living in, I cling to HaShem's promise in the last verse in the book of Malicah, which says, "before the coming of the awesome, fearful day of the LORD...He shall reconcile parents with children, and children with their parents..." May each of merit many blessings, Diana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Question & Answer With Rabbi Dovid Sears - Vidui Devarim http://asimplejew.blogspot.com:80/2009/05/question-answer-with-rabbi-dovid-sears.html I too have found myself in circumstances that have brought about an estrangement between myself and my oldest daughter. It is heart breaking... All this, in context of the times we living in, I cling to HaShem's promise in the last verse in the book of Malicah, which says, "before the coming of the awesome, fearful day of the LORD...He shall reconcile parents with children, and children with their parents..." May each of merit many blessings, Diana ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: "Diana Stone" Subject: [Dialogue] ...children, choices and confessions Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:05:22 -0500 Size: 8291 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090521/4fafdf3e/attachment.eml From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Thu May 21 10:59:31 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:59:31 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Fw: [Makor Hebrew Foundation] Book on Restoring Abrahamic Faith Message-ID: For any who don't receive Nehemiah Gordon's (Karaite) emails, JUST LOOK AT THIS!!!!! The word's getting out there, James!!!! I know I've said it repeatedly, but here it is again: THANK YOU, JAMES, FOR ALL YOU DO AND HAVE DONE ON BEHALF OF THE TRIBES, YOUR TIRELESS WORK FOR ALL OF OUR SAKES. We deeply appreciate you. B'Ahavah Yehuda V'Yisrael, Avigail -------------------------------------------------- From: "ngordon4" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:48 PM To: "Makor Hebrew Foundation" Subject: [Makor Hebrew Foundation] Book on Restoring Abrahamic Faith > > Book on Restoring Abrahamic Faith > > I just finished reading an amazing book entitled "Restoring Abrahamic > Faith" by Professor James Tabor of the University of North Carolina. > Professor Tabor's book is a manifesto of biblical theology deeply > rooted in the text of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). The book is > full of profound wisdom and penetrating observations that skillfully > elucidate the meaning of numerous biblical verses. Whether or not one > agrees with all of the author's conclusions, there is much to be > learned from his encyclopedic knowledge of the biblical text and > archaeology. I strongly encourage anyone who has a love for God's holy > Word to read this book! > > The book Restoring Abrahamic Faith is available from: > http://genesis2000.org/ > > Nehemia Gordon > Jerusalem, Israel > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Makor Hebrew Foundation" group. > makor-hebrew-foundation at googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > makor-hebrew-foundation+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/makor-hebrew-foundation?hl=en > > Learn more about the Hebrew sources of faith at: > http://www.MakorHebrew.org/ > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > From patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com Thu May 21 11:17:34 2009 From: patriciarobbinz at hotmail.com (Patricia Robbins) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:17:34 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] A Spirtual Battle Begun In-Reply-To: <4A1550C2.6040906@westnet.com.au> References: <4A1550C2.6040906@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: This is amazing, Joe. To think that we truly may live to see the Geula (Redemption), what a thrill, and yet what a terribly somber prospect, knowing what must come first. We CAN'T allow ourselves to be united with Gog. We must unite - join ourselves - to the Jews, our Brothers. We are the ones who are missing - "The Lost Tribes." They are the ones who have stood fast, in faith, believing that HaShem is the ONLY TRUE G-D. WE are the Prodigal, they the Faithful who remained with our Father. NOW IS THE TIME to GATHER OURSELVES TOGETHER as our earthly father, Yaacov (Jacob), called us to do so many years ago.............."And Yaacov called to his sons, and said, GATHER YOURSELVES TOGETHER........." Genesis 49:1 He is still calling out to us today. We can hear Yaacov's voice if we listen. IF we LISTEN, then we will HEAR (SHEMA!!!!) BOTH our earthly father, Jacob, and our Heavenly Father, HASHEM are calling us to HEAR/SHEMA! Yaacov asks us to hear and gather ourselves together. HaShem says to HEAR THAT HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY! "SHEMA YISRAEL, ADONAI ELOHEINU, ADONAI ECHAD." "HEAR ISRAEL, THE L-RD IS G-D, THE L-RD IS ONE." Dt. 6:4 Shalom Dear Family, Avigail From: JOE INDOMENICO Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:01 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] A Spirtual Battle Begun A Spirtual Battle Begun - - - - - - - posted by Akiva - - 5/21/2009 12:01:00 AM ET by Reb Akiva at Mystical Paths On erev Yom Yerushalayim - Jerusalem Day (observed a day early this year) the final spiritual battle has begun. Since the days of the navi'im (the holy prophets of G-d) we have been awaiting this day, with excitement for how it ends but with trepidation for what it brings until then. On erev Yom Yerushalayim, many have speculated for years on who Gog of the biblical prophecy of Gog of Magog may be (a good bit of that has gone on here at Mystical Paths). Does this leader have this attribute from this Midrash or that obscure Gemora quote? In doing so we've been searching for the merest hints, yet the clear signs through major actions are about to burst forth in front of our eyes. The West, starting with Great Britain, then France, then the United States, has messed with Israel since her reemergence. First they blockaded, then boycotted, then helped (gaining merit), then withdrew support at critical times, then provided it (gaining merit again). They have cajoled Israel, at the price of Jewish blood, to not go to war and defend herself, to stop wars short of complete victory - thereby guaranteeing belligerency and the shedding of Jewish lives into the next generation, and used her as a pawn in global politics. But they've also traded with her, invested in her, and provided some diplomatic coverage. While they have cajoled, bullied a bit, boycotted now and then, they have never directly threatened her. Yet we find out today, on erev Yom Yerushalayim, that President Obama and the US administration has decided exactly how Israel will be taken apart, how Jerusalem will be divided, and what Israel will give up. Notice what Israel will receive is not on that list, as that's not important. I do not care that the Obama administration is turning the US government into something not seen since the 50's with MacArthur and the 70's with Nixon. I am mildly concerned that the Obama administration is completely disassembling the financial system of the last 20 years that brought great world prosperity, rather than just re-balancing it and applying better controls. I am slightly disturbed that during the most serious economic downturn since the 1920's the Obama administration is instructing major industries on how they will operate, what products they will produce, and piling on major added costs which will delay recovery by years. But these are all domestic US issues. If people want to give this man great power and continued approval because 'at least he's doing something', even if it's a really bad something, well that's the way democracy goes. But with Darfur, Pakistan meltdown, an Iran going nuclear, Somalian piracy, when this man singles out Israel as the main world problem and decides the solution is to diplomatically crush her - then I say meet Gog. My dear American brethren and believers in Hashem, will you stand silent as this man turns the world against Israel? Will you sit by as this man follows the words of that galach (priest) last week who declared to the Arabs residing on the land here that he supports their "ancestral" right to the Land of Israel? Will you wonder whether it's still safe to say anything as Gog leads a coalition of NATO plus other troops into the Shomron and exiles 200,000 Jews from their homes in the name of squatters who were not here 120 yeas ago? Will you pray for your brethren's safety today, or wait until the UN patrols the streets of Jerusalem as Gog brings the world leaders to declare Jerusalem no longer a city of Israel, a city of the Jewish people, a city of King David, but rather a city of the world, a city of the Vatican, a city where Jews fear to visit their holy sites but Arabs boldly walk where they will. The time to raise your voice to your political leaders is NOW. The time to cry out to G-d is NOW. The time to be here to strengthen Israel is NOW. For, Hashem Yerachem (G-d of Mercy), the days of Gog u'Magog may be only 14 days away. In truth, we do not cry out that things may change because the geulah may come. G-d forbid for one moment it should be that we don't want it, and want it today. Rather, we cry out that the words of the navi'im be quick, painless, bloodless, no one should lose their home or be injured, and we merit the arrival of Mashiach and the complete geulah (redemption) literally right away. And dear friends, all of Israel, secular Israel, religious Israel, zionist Israel, and all the people of Israel all the world over - as well as those who hold by the path of Torah and Hashem without being a part of Israel, all are about to learn that we only have our Father in Heaven, the Melech HaMelachim (the King of Kings), HaKodesh Baruch Hu (the Holy One, Blessed Be He), to rely upon. As the navi writes, Jerusalem will be a cup of poison for the nations. Yet they seem to wish to rush to drink, for they neither read nor believe the words that they themselves appropriated. Happy Yom Yerushalayim. May we celebrate with Hashem (G-d) in the Beit HaMikdash (the Holy Temple) THIS YEAR for the pilgrim holy day of Shavuot. (For the Israeli security services monitoring this blog for whom English and American rhetoric is not their first language... this article uses rousing terminology to wake people up to current events relevant to the Jewish people. It then requests them to take legal and appropriate political action, to take the religious action of prayer and good deeds for the safety and well being of the Jewish people, and to consider aliyah. Though strongly worded, no illegal, unsafe or security threatening actions are recommended, hinted, or presented.) Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090521/78e86872/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For there is no escape from it even if one should be so foolish as to desire to flee the greatness and majesty of the Jewish destiny.? Listen so that you will be able to stand proud and tall and know what to reply with dignity and not hesitant defensiveness.? So that you will know from where you came and to where you go, without the former to is impossible to know the latter. ? ?Our feet are standing within thy gates O Jerusalem.? ? and they will never leave.? This is Zionism, and the Untied Gentiles call it ?Racist? and debate how to take my city away from me.? Foolish world; sooner will the sun fail to rise tomorrow.? The Jews have come home to their Zion and have welded their city together with a fierce tightness that none least of all the humor that is the United Nations can sunder.? A people which patiently bides its time for millennia will not easily ? ever ? give up its state and capital. ? [This article?s last paragraph speaks directly to the Popes and Obamas of the world.] B.G. ? Anyone reading this Rav Kahane article and is not on my personal list to receive the weekly articles written by Rav Kahane and would like to be, please contact me at: barhow at netvision.net.il? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090521/0f6d13b0/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Thu May 21 18:23:07 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:23:07 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Yerushalayim Sameach! Message-ID: <855590370905211623v6a7a0f39v390ff41144bee864@mail.gmail.com> Yom Yerushalayim Sameach! Please read the article below by Rav Nachman Kahane.... * Hanoch* BS"D Parashat Bamidbar and Yom Yerushalayim 5769 We read in last week?s haftora (Yirmiyahu 16,19): *?' ??? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ?? ?????: ????? ?? ??? ????? ???? ?? ?-???? O LORD, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in time of distress, to you the nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods, worthless idols that did them no good. Do men make their own gods? Yes, but they are not gods!" * What has to occur in order for the believers of the various religions to come to Yerushalayim and admit that their traditions are false, and only the way of Am Yisrael is true? I submit: This year, on the 42nd anniversary of the unification of Yerushalayim under Jewish sovereignty for the first time in over 2000 years, we in Eretz Yisrael are the recipients of an international gift. It is called by different names. Some call it the Obama Peace Plan, others call it the Saudi Peace Plan, and I call it the Satanic Peace plan. The major planks in the plan, designed diplomatically and sardonically to dismember the Jewish State organ by organ, call for the establishment of an Amalek State for a media-created, non-existent people called Palestinians. The plan calls for this unnatural and artificial entity to be established on the highlands of Eretz Yisrael, running from Shechem in the north through Yerushalayim in the center and down to Chevron in the south. It will control the major aquifers of Israel, and it will breathe down the neck of every plane taking off and landing at Ben Gurion airport. Jerusalem is to be divided with the eastern part serving as the capital of the artificial nation of Palestine. The Old City, including the Temple Mount and the western wall protecting the Mount is to be transferred from Israeli sovereignty to the good offices of the United Nations. All Jews will be evicted, forcefully if necessary, from their homes of 40 years in Shomron, Yehuda and the the Golan Heights. This will make the Gush Katif disaster look like child?s play. But there are also some "sweets" in the plan: Arab Countries will enter into diplomatic relations with the dwindling Jewish State and the millions of "Palestinian refugees" will be permitted to return only to the area called Palestine, from where they will control our water aquifers and allow their "waste products" to flow down to us. If this plan is implemented, as is the will of the international community, then on paper the State of Israel will have a very difficult future. The question is how our clever leaders managed to get into such a terrible situation, and more importantly, how we can extradite ourselves from it. How it happened and how we can correct it are two sides of the same coin. The official position of the State of Israel is based on a lie. The message our political and intellectual leaders transmit to the world is that the Jewish people deserve a State because of what was done to us in the Shoah and that the State will guarantee that such a catastrophe will never again befall our people. Forget history. The secular school system teaches the poor children who fall into their clutches that HaShem?s promise to Avraham, Yitzchak and Ya?akov are myths. The two Temples are no more relevant than the Athenean Acropolis. The dating of Am Yisrael will now commence with the fifth of Iyar 5708. We bring distinguished gentile personalities to Yad Vashem to pluck at their heart strings and consciences. But how many of the solemn-faced distinguished guests - as they lay a wreath on the monument to the 6 million Jews - think that these bloody Jews did it to themselves for being (fill in) communists, socialists, capitalists, secular, religious, pushy, stand-off, or just plain god killers? >From the very outset of the Medina, our secular political leaders did all in their power to suppress the religious nature of the Jewish people and our miraculous return home. During the War for Independence, Israel was a hair?s breadth away from liberating the Old City and the Temple Mount. Ben Gurion ordered the fighters in the city to retreat. In the Six Day War Moshe Dayan, with agreement of the cabinet, gave the Temple Mount to the Moslem Wakf religious counsel and Ma?arat Ha?Machpela to the Wakf of Chevron. At the close of the Six Day War, Prime Minister Levi Eshkol went on the radio to thank everyone who had brought about the victory - the gallant soldiers of Tzahal, the civil leaders and the general population. The conspicuous omission of HaShem's name from the list of "contributors" was not a mistake but intentional. All three leaders - Ben Gurion, Moshe Dayan and Levi Eshkol - acted out of a common political orientation. They feared that these places and events would bring about a religious revival in the Jewish people. The people who had just seen the Angel of Death in front of their eyes might view these historical events as signs from HaShem that the final stage of the Geula had begun. These people had to do all in their power to suppress the inherent spiritual neshama of the Jewish people so that these events and places would not serve as a springboard for the ideological belief that the Geula had begun. HaShem is now prodding the Jewish people in Eretz Yisrael that the time has arrived to tell the world a simple, unadulterated truth. This truth taught to six-year olds when starting to learn the first verse in the Chumash and Rashi?s commentary; that the only plausible answer to gentiles who wish to negate our claim to Eretz Yisrael is to scream from the rooftops that HaShem - Creator of heaven and earth, designated the Holy Land uniquely for His people Israel. However, there exists a problem. The gentile leaders of the world think in plain logical terms. Let?s face it that we have a monopoly on kedusha (sanctity) but not on intelligence. Some goyim are as smart as us , with the extra plus that they don?t pervert simple logic with pilpulism as many of us do. They see that many religious Jews, including long-bearded impressive rabbis continue to reside in the various lands of the globe. And the gentile leaders ask themselves: If the Jewish people are indeed descendants of the Biblical Jews, and the land of Israel is granted to them by God Almighty, than what are they doing in Europe, the Americas and elsewhere? As long as there are large communities of Jews in the galut, our claim that HaShem granted us the Holy Land will fall on deaf ears. The goyim will continue with their plans to rid the 6 billion people in the world of the 6 million who continue to create unrest among the nations. The Jews of the galut and their religious leaders will sit in the docket of the heavenly court accused by the powers-that-be for preventing us from voicing the first Rashi in the Torah. The only legitimate, historically-true claim we have in the face of the goyishe world?s onslaught is that we are here not because of the Balfour Declaration of 1917, or the UN vote at Lake Success in 1947, and not even as a result of the ovens at Auschwitz; but because the Master of the universe wants us here. But the claim resonates with emptiness in the face of the shuls and yeshivot and chassidic shtiebels in the galut. In the 61-year history of the Medina not one noted rabbi has ever stood up before a gentile forum to state that we are in Eretz Yisrael because it is the will of God. But as current events unfold, and irrepressible political and military pressures mount against this tiny land, we will find ourselves in the position of drawing closer to HaShem. The call will go out that no matter what the goyim contrive, we are the eternal people in Eretz Yisrael. Miracles will transpire as never before, as stated in the end pf chapter one of tractate Brachot. With one hand HaShem will caress His loyal people in Eretz Yisrael. And with the other He will point accusingly at the goyim who contrived to destroy His chosen people, and sitting with them in the docket will those Jews who prevented us from teaching the world the simple truth that we are God?s chosen people. When all this will come about, those gentiles who remain at the end of time "*will come from the ends of the earth and say, "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods, worthless idols that did them no good. * B- Yom Yerushalayim Forty years is a blink of an eye in the life of a city 5000 years old, but they make up more than half a lifetime of a man. Who can ever forget the dramatic announcement at ten thirty in the morning on the 28th of Iyar 5728, that our holy soldiers of Tzahal had liberated the Old City, and the voice of General Moteh Gur reverberating over the mountains of Judea down to Yericho (like the sounds of the great doors opening in the Bet Ha?Mikdash) "Har ha?bayit be?ya?dainu" - the Temple Mount is in our hands. Angels were leading our troops in their advance towards the greatest military victory in history, when Tzahal liberated the entire west bank of the Jordan river and Yerushalayim in five days; a task which took Yehoshua bin Nun and King David 7 years and another 400 to complete. As in the prophecy of Yeshayahu (40,3-4): A voice of one calling: "In the desert prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God. Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become level, the rugged places a plain. As we look back in history with 20-20 hind vision, we bemoan the historic mistakes perpetrate by our political leaders. We could have convinced all the gentiles in the holy land that they would feel happier being some place else. We could have crossed the Jordan River to conquer Jordan and Syria and then Egypt, to rid them of their no longer necessary weapons, leaving them with only plastic forks to eat with. We could have begun work on the rebuilding of the Bet Ha?Mikdash on the Temple Mount after dismembering the temporary buildings which are still standing there. But it is God?s will that these things should wait for a generation that is more meritorious than this one. Perhaps at a time when the goyim in the galut will search unsuccessfully for a Jew in the former shuls, which by then will have all been sold as churches and mosques, because all the world?s Jews will be here. Despite the stormy international clouds, the reality in Yerushalayin is uplifting . There are more Jews today in the holy city than there were in the entire country when the Medina was established. There is more intense Torah study in Yerushalayim than in the entire world together outside the holy city. The streets are filled with the elderly leaning on their staffs because of old age, while young boys and girls frolic in our streets, as in the prophetic words of Zecharya 8,3-8): ?? ??? ?' ???? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ?' ????? ?? ????: ? ?? ??? ?' ????? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ????: ?????? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ?????? ???????: ? ?? ??? ?' ????? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ?? ????? ???? ??? ?' ?????: ? ?? ??? ?' ????? ???? ????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ????: ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ??? ??-???? ???? ??????: ? This is what the LORD says: "I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the City of Truth, and the mountain of the LORD Almighty will be called the Holy Mountain." This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Once again men and women of ripe old age will sit in the streets of Jerusalem, each with cane in hand because of his age. The city streets will be filled with boys and girls playing there." This is what the LORD Almighty says: "It may seem marvelous to the remnant of this people at that time, but will it seem marvelous to me?" declares the LORD Almighty. This is what the LORD Almighty says: "I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God." Yom Yerushalayim samayach and Shabbat Shalom Nachman Kahana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090521/026836c0/attachment.html From bkgivin at verizon.net Thu May 21 20:52:19 2009 From: bkgivin at verizon.net (Betty K Givin) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:52:19 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Fw: [Makor Hebrew Foundation] Book on Restoring Abrahamic Faith In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1517772DD41B4CBFB3DE313A41CF4161@bettylaptop> Wow!!! Great review! Thanks, Avigail. Love, Elisheva/Betty -----Original Message----- From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Patricia Robbins Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:00 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Fw: [Makor Hebrew Foundation] Book on Restoring Abrahamic Faith For any who don't receive Nehemiah Gordon's (Karaite) emails, JUST LOOK AT THIS!!!!! The word's getting out there, James!!!! I know I've said it repeatedly, but here it is again: THANK YOU, JAMES, FOR ALL YOU DO AND HAVE DONE ON BEHALF OF THE TRIBES, YOUR TIRELESS WORK FOR ALL OF OUR SAKES. We deeply appreciate you. B'Ahavah Yehuda V'Yisrael, Avigail -------------------------------------------------- From: "ngordon4" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:48 PM To: "Makor Hebrew Foundation" Subject: [Makor Hebrew Foundation] Book on Restoring Abrahamic Faith > > Book on Restoring Abrahamic Faith > > I just finished reading an amazing book entitled "Restoring Abrahamic > Faith" by Professor James Tabor of the University of North Carolina. > Professor Tabor's book is a manifesto of biblical theology deeply > rooted in the text of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). The book is > full of profound wisdom and penetrating observations that skillfully > elucidate the meaning of numerous biblical verses. Whether or not one > agrees with all of the author's conclusions, there is much to be > learned from his encyclopedic knowledge of the biblical text and > archaeology. I strongly encourage anyone who has a love for God's holy > Word to read this book! > > The book Restoring Abrahamic Faith is available from: > http://genesis2000.org/ > > Nehemia Gordon > Jerusalem, Israel > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Makor Hebrew Foundation" group. > makor-hebrew-foundation at googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > makor-hebrew-foundation+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/makor-hebrew-foundation?hl=en > > Learn more about the Hebrew sources of faith at: > http://www.MakorHebrew.org/ > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > _______________________________________________ From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Thu May 21 22:58:28 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 13:58:28 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] ...children, choices and confessions] References: <4A155495.9010305@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <9FFD2EE720944EF595531867090C7A86@pamelahome> Correctly taught joe, well done. Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: JOE INDOMENICO To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] ...children, choices and confessions] Shalom Diana, great to hear from you again. Thank you for this insightful post. I am still digesting it. The way I see it all sins committed against HaShem should be confessed before HaShem with complete teshuva and an undertaking to amend one's way. HaShem will govern the restitution. Sins committed against an individual personally should be confessed directly to that individual and restitution made. This is akin to confessing to HaShem directly. HaShem will not accept teshuva until restitution is made to the aggrieved person. Sins committed against an individual in the public arena should be confessed publicly and restitution made. This is akin to confessing to HaShem directly. HaShem will not accept teshuva until restitution is made to the aggrieved person. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090522/d63c4359/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Thu May 21 23:23:46 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 00:23:46 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: <6D123E9761874DA8B7CA2EEFE6B3582C@MarvinLT> References: <6D123E9761874DA8B7CA2EEFE6B3582C@MarvinLT> Message-ID: Thanks so much for taking the time to share this Marvin. I think it can be of benefit to others. James On May 21, 2009, at 6:28 AM, mhyde wrote: > Thanks, Betty, > > As I wrote cornie, it is easy sometimes to get all down in the mouth > about our problems and loose sight of the problems our fellow man is > struggling through but we come to understand the longer we live that > there is truly nothing new under the sun. I was touched by Kim?s e- > mail a few days ago and almost wrote her but didn?t. Many times in > life we are faced with situations and we have choices to make as > parents and we make the best decisions and choices we can make at > the time. Many times we look back and wish we had done differently > or made a better choice, but your correct in the end it all works > out. Tell Kim we are supporting her with our prayers. > > Loosing ones mother has got to be one of the hardest things one > deals with in life. > > During the conference one evening we were sitting in the courtyard > with Chris C. and his Mother and Mr. Dave T. talking and sharing and > as I set listening to Mrs. C. and in a good way was a little jealous > or envious of the time that Chris was living in with his Mother. It > is a special time for them in their life?s. That time is past for > me, I have moved in to a new phase now. Mothers are different then > our fathers, God created them, and gave then such a special place in > his creation. > > The other day someone mentioned that the bible teaches us to respect > and honor our father, but teaches to fear our mother, using the same > word that is used in our fear of God. Anyone got info. On this? > > Betty, I got some good news last night form my daughter. She and her > husband have started to shift their focus toward God and she related > some good news about her older sister who was dealing with choices > she had to make and from what I was told it look like she was > leaning in the right direction. Ross, if your reading this?? you > know the story I related the last night of the conference when you, > Web and his wife and I were talking about the strange ways God deals > with some of us. Well this is the son in law, I told the story of > about the bear, rabbit and a fox. > > I?m not a dreamer, although they tell us we dream almost every > night. But the other night I dreamt that my daughter came to see me, > she and I have not talked in over 6 months. Back last year she > made choices that I could not support her in. I made a principled > choice as a parent and fearer of God and that choice caused > separation(her choice). But, One of the last things I told her, I > can?t live your life for you, You have to make your own choices and > choose your own path. But the most important thing is ?.. You have > to find God for yourself and until you make your peace with God you > want be happy. So you are correct, these difficult times do and > will past. > > I remember something they use to teach us back in our church days, > take your cares to God and leave them on the altar. > > Have a blessed day, > > Marvin > > > > > > From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org > ] On Behalf Of Betty K Givin > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:50 PM > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession > > Marvin, > Thank you for your heartfelt email. Yes, definitely this parenting > stuff is hard work, especially for those parents who pour everything > into raising or ?building? their children. But, I promise, all of > this that goes on with the children will pass! I cannot imagine how > difficult it is for fathers like you and Hanoch to raise children > pretty much without their mother. You are to be honored, and should > be getting ?Mother?s Day cards with the rest of us! > > Your accounting of your own mother in her present state of mind was > heartbreaking! I am so sorry you are going thru this. The role > reversal is so hard when we as children, have to take on the role of > becoming parents to our parents. James and I went thru this to a > degree with our own mother before she died nearly two years ago (may > her memory always be for a blessing); but not to the degree that you > are facing as she always knew who we are. I never showed her a > family group picture and asked her who the people were. If I had, I > might have gotten the same response. > I was visiting the mother of an acquaintance of mine who is in an > assisted living center several weeks back. In order to promote > conversation, I began asking her about the family pictures on the > wall. She identified nearly all of them as her brothers and > sisters, and oddly enough, identified herself as her mother. All of > a sudden it hit me?she can no longer internalize her own age because > she is living in the past much of the time > > The elderly woman in the photo could never be her, so it has to be > her mother, and her children could never be as old as they are, so > they have to be her brothers and sisters. As far as not recognizing > you, Marvin, I cannot imagine how much that hurts, and explanations > probably don?t help that much, but she probably doesn?t see her son > as being a man as old as you are?not that you are old, but if she is > looking at herself as still young, then you cannot possibly be her > son. She remembers you as her little boy. > > Sometimes when I would go visit my mother, she would ask me if I had > talked to Dad today (he died in 1982), and tell me that she was > worried because he was late and she wasn?t sure when he said he > would be back. I was shocked and hurt and confused, and later > talked to the staff about how to handle this. I was told that it is > best to just answer her question with the truth, so I did. I gently > reminded her that Dad had died in 1982. It was hard, but she then > remembered, saying how silly that was of her. Other times I would > go over and she would tell me that she was ready to leave the > ?hotel? and go back home, or that she was getting dressed to go meet > Dad at the base for lunch?One day I came in and she told me how > tired she was. When I asked her what she had been doing, she told > me that ?those children? had been over at her house for three days > and she was exhausted from chasing them around! Kim?s sister, Beth, > has 6 children, and would come visit her from time to time, but > rarely for more than 30 minutes at a time. Mom went in and out of > reality, and I suppose there comes a time when people with > Alzheimer?s get ?stuck? in the past and create their own reality in > the past. The only ?up? side to all this is that in their own > minds, the past is probably a happier place that the present. > > My heart goes out to you, Marvin and my prayers will be with you and > your mother as well as with your children. I suppose all you can do > now is bring her comfort and be kind and loving to her (which I know > you are) in the state where she is, and remember her as she was and > all the love she gave you growing up. She hasn?t forgotten her > little boy, Marvin?she just doesn?t see that you are right there > with her in the present. > > Dick Libby sent out a beautiful email a number of years ago > entitled, ?My Two Mothers,? that really helped me and I think it > would help you and others who are going thru what you are. I kept > it for years and then when my computer crashed a number of years > ago, I lost it and was so disappointed. I will email him and ask him > to circulate it again if he still has it. > > Thanks for writing and for the hug from Roger. I am sending you a > big one back thru cyber space. We all love you and many of us can > identify with your pain. > > Love and Blessings, > > Elisheva/Betty > > P.S. Please note my new email address: some of my emails have not > been going thru > It is bkgivin at verizon.net > > > From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org > ] On Behalf Of mhyde > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:21 AM > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Subject: RE: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession > > Betty, > > I have deleted the larger portion of this dialogue to save space. > Thanks for writing and for Pamela forwarding her piece. Im telling > you, this parenting stuff is hard work. > > Like Hanoch, I can appreciate and relate to the work of a Mom when > as a male you have to raise children and daughters without their > mother. Then as Kim, experiencing children who seem to want nothing > to do with you, yes this will pass also, ???.. they tell me! > > Then as I deal with my own situation with my mother, who is > dealing with dementia / Alzheimer?s and knowing she is slowly > slipping away. Mom was once invisible to me, now I have become > invisible to my mother. Yesterday morning I went to check on Mom > like I do or have done many times before and I decided to asked a > few questions. You know, ? they say do not ask questions if your > not prepared for the answer?. Mother knew exactly when her birth > date was, she even knew my name was Marvin, but she did not know I > was her son. That was sad?.. I got up and went to the mantle and > got the family picture of Mom and Dad and their 9 childern. Mom, > can you tell me who these people are? She named them all, except > her husband, she wasn?t sure who he was, she thought maybe one of > her brothers. Who are these people Mom? They?re my brothers and > sisters. That broke my heart. The mother that was once invisible > to us was now slowly loosing all memory of her family and we are > becoming invisible to her. > > Tell Roger to give you a big hug for me. > > Marvin > > From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org > ] On Behalf Of Hanoch Young > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:30 AM > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession > > Betty - Even though you've written many things over the years, this > is SO AMAZING, that my goose bumps have goose bumps!! Absolutely > beautiful....and even though I'mnot a grandma (at least, not that I > know of...), I SO relate to what you wrote. Now I know where Kim > gets it from....May HaShem bless you and give you strength. > > Luv ya, > Hanoch > > > > Elisheva/Betty > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090521/2a1aa607/attachment.html From bkgivin at verizon.net Thu May 21 23:36:56 2009 From: bkgivin at verizon.net (Betty K Givin) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 23:36:56 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] ...children, choices and confessions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D37487523154284A1CD2B6EAF972188@bettylaptop> Hi Diana, You must be fairly new to the list.I don't think I have welcomed you, so please accept my belated yet heartfelt welcome! I just wanted to let you know that I can identify with the heartbreak you are suffering as a result of an estrangement between yourself and your oldest daughter. I have three daughters and have at one time or another been estranged from all of them. There is nothing like that hurt.it is just so indescribably deep and gripping. I am so sorry that you are going thru this. But please be encouraged. All three of my daughters and I share the most amazing relationship now, Baruch HaShem!!!.there is healing.and nothing is impossible for HaShem! Keep clinging to Him and to His promises. I will keep you and your daughter in my prayers! Sending love and prayers to you, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Diana Stone Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:05 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] ...children, choices and confessions Greetings All, Although I do not have had time to follow and take in all the different dialogue threads, I have noticed a string of threads dealing with, estrangements between parents and their children, choices and confessions. I read the following short article written by Rabbi David Sears on Jewish verbal confession practices. I found it quite interesting and decided to share it with you. Question & Answer With Rabbi Dovid Sears - Vidui Devarim http://asimplejew.blogspot.com:80/2009/05/question-answer-with-rabbi-dovid-s ears.html I too have found myself in circumstances that have brought about an estrangement between myself and my oldest daughter. It is heart breaking... All this, in context of the times we living in, I cling to HaShem's promise in the last verse in the book of Malicah, which says, "before the coming of the awesome, fearful day of the LORD...He shall reconcile parents with children, and children with their parents..." May each of merit many blessings, Diana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Your loving support for your wife, despite the hardships and the opposition speaks loud volumes about you. Your unflinching dedication to HaShem despite all the hard knocks shows the true calibre of your emunah. Our emunah only increases over time through all our ordeals. HaShem knows what is in our hearts. Thank Heaven, because I do not know. Thank you for persevering and hanging in there. You are very much appreciated and loved by us all. Shalom v'Ahavah JOE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090521/c9008cd8/attachment.html From bkgivin at verizon.net Thu May 21 23:59:30 2009 From: bkgivin at verizon.net (Betty K Givin) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 23:59:30 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: <6D123E9761874DA8B7CA2EEFE6B3582C@MarvinLT> References: <6D123E9761874DA8B7CA2EEFE6B3582C@MarvinLT> Message-ID: <472500B14472441EB43AC4B56679A03E@bettylaptop> You are most welcome! Yes, life does bring us difficult and often hurting situations which bring about the necessity to make decisions that are not always easy. It sounds like you made the correct choices with your daughter. I know you were much relieved and full of hope after your dream and hearing the good news that it looked like she was leaning in the right direction! I am not a dreamer either and I don't fully understand dreams and the reasons why we dream what we dream and what our dreams mean, but I know that I have had several in my life that I believe were given to me to reveal something to me.several were a message of hope while others were messages that clearly pointed out some things in my life that I needed to change. I will pray for both of you and that your relationship will be healed and you will be reconciled. Yes, losing one's mother is one of the most difficult things in life.it has been nearly two years since Mom died and I miss her so very much.but she was ready to go.she made that clear.and I know that she died in peace; I was right there with her, cradling her in my arms and stroking her like she had done to me when I was a baby. The last words she spoke before she drifted off into her coma like state a few days before she died were, "I love you, Betty." I will always treasure those words as I treasure her blessed memory. I will also tell Kim that you and others are supporting her with your prayers.speaking of Kim, I will be spending the weekend with her.and have to get up by 5:00 am in the morning to leave, so I better get some sleep. Thanks for sharing, Marvin, Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of mhyde Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:29 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession Thanks, Betty, As I wrote cornie, it is easy sometimes to get all down in the mouth about our problems and loose sight of the problems our fellow man is struggling through but we come to understand the longer we live that there is truly nothing new under the sun. I was touched by Kim's e-mail a few days ago and almost wrote her but didn't. Many times in life we are faced with situations and we have choices to make as parents and we make the best decisions and choices we can make at the time. Many times we look back and wish we had done differently or made a better choice, but your correct in the end it all works out. Tell Kim we are supporting her with our prayers. Loosing ones mother has got to be one of the hardest things one deals with in life. During the conference one evening we were sitting in the courtyard with Chris C. and his Mother and Mr. Dave T. talking and sharing and as I set listening to Mrs. C. and in a good way was a little jealous or envious of the time that Chris was living in with his Mother. It is a special time for them in their life's. That time is past for me, I have moved in to a new phase now. Mothers are different then our fathers, God created them, and gave then such a special place in his creation. The other day someone mentioned that the bible teaches us to respect and honor our father, but teaches to fear our mother, using the same word that is used in our fear of God. Anyone got info. On this? Betty, I got some good news last night form my daughter. She and her husband have started to shift their focus toward God and she related some good news about her older sister who was dealing with choices she had to make and from what I was told it look like she was leaning in the right direction. Ross, if your reading this.. you know the story I related the last night of the conference when you, Web and his wife and I were talking about the strange ways God deals with some of us. Well this is the son in law, I told the story of about the bear, rabbit and a fox. I'm not a dreamer, although they tell us we dream almost every night. But the other night I dreamt that my daughter came to see me, she and I have not talked in over 6 months. Back last year she made choices that I could not support her in. I made a principled choice as a parent and fearer of God and that choice caused separation(her choice). But, One of the last things I told her, I can't live your life for you, You have to make your own choices and choose your own path. But the most important thing is ... You have to find God for yourself and until you make your peace with God you want be happy. So you are correct, these difficult times do and will past. I remember something they use to teach us back in our church days, take your cares to God and leave them on the altar. Have a blessed day, Marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Betty K Givin Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:50 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession Marvin, Thank you for your heartfelt email. Yes, definitely this parenting stuff is hard work, especially for those parents who pour everything into raising or "building" their children. But, I promise, all of this that goes on with the children will pass! I cannot imagine how difficult it is for fathers like you and Hanoch to raise children pretty much without their mother. You are to be honored, and should be getting "Mother's Day cards with the rest of us! Your accounting of your own mother in her present state of mind was heartbreaking! I am so sorry you are going thru this. The role reversal is so hard when we as children, have to take on the role of becoming parents to our parents. James and I went thru this to a degree with our own mother before she died nearly two years ago (may her memory always be for a blessing); but not to the degree that you are facing as she always knew who we are. I never showed her a family group picture and asked her who the people were. If I had, I might have gotten the same response. I was visiting the mother of an acquaintance of mine who is in an assisted living center several weeks back. In order to promote conversation, I began asking her about the family pictures on the wall. She identified nearly all of them as her brothers and sisters, and oddly enough, identified herself as her mother. All of a sudden it hit me.she can no longer internalize her own age because she is living in the past much of the time The elderly woman in the photo could never be her, so it has to be her mother, and her children could never be as old as they are, so they have to be her brothers and sisters. As far as not recognizing you, Marvin, I cannot imagine how much that hurts, and explanations probably don't help that much, but she probably doesn't see her son as being a man as old as you are.not that you are old, but if she is looking at herself as still young, then you cannot possibly be her son. She remembers you as her little boy. Sometimes when I would go visit my mother, she would ask me if I had talked to Dad today (he died in 1982), and tell me that she was worried because he was late and she wasn't sure when he said he would be back. I was shocked and hurt and confused, and later talked to the staff about how to handle this. I was told that it is best to just answer her question with the truth, so I did. I gently reminded her that Dad had died in 1982. It was hard, but she then remembered, saying how silly that was of her. Other times I would go over and she would tell me that she was ready to leave the "hotel" and go back home, or that she was getting dressed to go meet Dad at the base for lunch.One day I came in and she told me how tired she was. When I asked her what she had been doing, she told me that "those children" had been over at her house for three days and she was exhausted from chasing them around! Kim's sister, Beth, has 6 children, and would come visit her from time to time, but rarely for more than 30 minutes at a time. Mom went in and out of reality, and I suppose there comes a time when people with Alzheimer's get "stuck" in the past and create their own reality in the past. The only "up" side to all this is that in their own minds, the past is probably a happier place that the present. My heart goes out to you, Marvin and my prayers will be with you and your mother as well as with your children. I suppose all you can do now is bring her comfort and be kind and loving to her (which I know you are) in the state where she is, and remember her as she was and all the love she gave you growing up. She hasn't forgotten her little boy, Marvin.she just doesn't see that you are right there with her in the present. Dick Libby sent out a beautiful email a number of years ago entitled, "My Two Mothers," that really helped me and I think it would help you and others who are going thru what you are. I kept it for years and then when my computer crashed a number of years ago, I lost it and was so disappointed. I will email him and ask him to circulate it again if he still has it. Thanks for writing and for the hug from Roger. I am sending you a big one back thru cyber space. We all love you and many of us can identify with your pain. Love and Blessings, Elisheva/Betty P.S. Please note my new email address: some of my emails have not been going thru It is bkgivin at verizon.net _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of mhyde Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:21 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: RE: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Betty, I have deleted the larger portion of this dialogue to save space. Thanks for writing and for Pamela forwarding her piece. Im telling you, this parenting stuff is hard work. Like Hanoch, I can appreciate and relate to the work of a Mom when as a male you have to raise children and daughters without their mother. Then as Kim, experiencing children who seem to want nothing to do with you, yes this will pass also, ..... they tell me! Then as I deal with my own situation with my mother, who is dealing with dementia / Alzheimer's and knowing she is slowly slipping away. Mom was once invisible to me, now I have become invisible to my mother. Yesterday morning I went to check on Mom like I do or have done many times before and I decided to asked a few questions. You know, " they say do not ask questions if your not prepared for the answer". Mother knew exactly when her birth date was, she even knew my name was Marvin, but she did not know I was her son. That was sad... I got up and went to the mantle and got the family picture of Mom and Dad and their 9 childern. Mom, can you tell me who these people are? She named them all, except her husband, she wasn't sure who he was, she thought maybe one of her brothers. Who are these people Mom? They're my brothers and sisters. That broke my heart. The mother that was once invisible to us was now slowly loosing all memory of her family and we are becoming invisible to her. Tell Roger to give you a big hug for me. Marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Hanoch Young Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:30 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] prayer request and confession Betty - Even though you've written many things over the years, this is SO AMAZING, that my goose bumps have goose bumps!! Absolutely beautiful....and even though I'm not a grandma (at least, not that I know of...), I SO relate to what you wrote. Now I know where Kim gets it from....May HaShem bless you and give you strength. Luv ya, Hanoch Elisheva/Betty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090521/e1f5e542/attachment.html From bkgivin at verizon.net Fri May 22 00:23:13 2009 From: bkgivin at verizon.net (Betty K Givin) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 00:23:13 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Taking off for a few days! Message-ID: Hi everyone, I just wanted you to know that I am going to visit Kim and family over the weekend, and am really looking forward to our spending time, including Shabbat, together! We are going to be spending part of our time at the beach which should be wonderful.we both love the beach.looking out over the ocean, and watching the waves always seems to draw me close to HaShem, and makes me want to dance.but it will be far too crowded I am sure, so as much as we might want to, we will not be able to hear the Cherokee music and dance like Rabbi Lazar Brody! But we can hear the music in our heads and dance in our hearts.like the poetry that I love which describes what prayer is often life. "Upright kneeling, motionless dancing, and silent screaming" I plan to leave very early in the morning, and it is a 5 hour drive, no more time to read or respond to any more email tonight, as I am already not going to get enough sleep. I will not be taking my computer with me, so will be out of touch, but thinking of all of you.Hope you all have a blessed Shabbat and are looking forward to Shavuot.less that a week away now! Love, Blessings and early Shabbat Shalom, Elisheva/Betty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090522/f6d79851/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Fri May 22 07:05:47 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 08:05:47 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] 2nd Interview with Tovia Singer is up... In-Reply-To: <052020091854.24458.4A1451F400069A3900005F8A22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> References: <052020091854.24458.4A1451F400069A3900005F8A22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF02080106A102019C049D0E0C@att.net> Message-ID: Thanks John, glad it was enlightening to you. James On May 20, 2009, at 2:54 PM, carlson_john at bellsouth.net wrote: > James, > > I finally got the opportunity to sit and listen to this without > interruption. > > Just like the book, it was both provocative and compelling. Anyone > listening, that believes in the theological status quo, has got to > be challenged to find out more. > > I'm looking forward to the Paul book. I've learned much on this > subject over the last few months and I believe that my mental > picture of the environment of the first century church is much > clearer than it has ever been. Like it or not, Paul is an > inescapable part of that picture and I think we need to try to > understand it, especially those of us who value the New Testament, > even if only as commentary. > > I hope that you and Tovia can expand these discussions in every way > possible. > > Shalom my friend. > > -- > Eliron/John. > > "Be excellent to each other!" > Bill and Ted > > -------------- Original message from James Tabor >: -------------- > > > > In case you missed it my second interview with Tovia Singer is now > on- > > line and can be listened to or downloaded. I am pleased to say it is > > also featured on the front page of Israel National News Radio. > Here is > > the link: > > > > http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/956 > > > > Please feel free to spread this around. > > > > James > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ From youngbarzel at gmail.com Fri May 22 07:13:43 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 08:13:43 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] What does a Chinese Chumash look like? Message-ID: <855590370905220513r4a2658a9y531cbd3ad91e4c30@mail.gmail.com> An interesting article....since my handwriting is SO BAD, I wonder what it would be associated with? Yom Yerushalayim Sameach v'Shabbat Shalom, * Hanoch* ** On the Main Line ??? ???? ?? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ???' ????? ??? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ???' --???? Thursday, May 21, 2009 What does a Chinese *chumash* look like? Relating to the Kennicott postbelow, Europeans had known of the existence of Jews in China since the 16th century, when an Italian monk named Matteo Ricci, in China, received a visitor. This visitor had heard that a man from far away was in town, and from a description it appeared that he was monotheistic. Perhaps something about the man's relationship with the Bible reached his ears too, so thinking he was a fellow Jew he went to meet him. For his part, Ricci figured that the visitor was Muslim. After some time it became clear that the man was a Jew and, to the visitor, that Ricci was not. They probably had a good laugh. In any case, from this point on Europeans were aware of contemporary Chinese Jews. Their origin, customs and knowledge of Jews and Judaism is interesting, but should wait for another time (except to generally mention that Chinese Jews seem to have their origin in Persia). What is important is that Europeans assumed that the Chinese Jews, like all Jews, had Bible manuscripts. This became particularly important in the 18th century, when great research projects probing exact text of the Hebrew Bible, based in large part on manuscripts, were attempted. It was believed that the Chinese manuscripts were most likely the least corrupted from outside influence due to the remoteness of the Chinese Jews. It was thought essential to track down and see these Chinese Bible manuscripts. Here are Kennicott's references to sources on Chinese Bibles: [image: Text not available] Since you and I would probably already be aware if something fantastic were discovered in Chinese Bibles, and we are not, we realize that the hopes proved entirely without merit. Chinese Bibles were . . . Bibles. Like the other Bibles. I would like to hear Chinese trop though. Look below: >From the rare volume Fac-Similes of the Hebrew Manuscripts, obtained at the Jewish Synagogue in K'ae-Fung-Foo, Shanghai 1851. Printed with wood blocks on rice paper! It's interesting to see the appearance of the letters, which obviously are influenced by Chinese writing. This well illustrates a principle of Hebrew paleography mentioned here : The geographical factor and the influence of imitation of other scripts. The Jewish script, and later the Hebrew script, evolved many styles due to contact with foreign scripts. Already before the dispersion of the Jews throughout the world, the Jewish script came into contact with the Greek and Latin scripts as well as the Nabatean script. In later times many new script-styles evolved among the Jewish communities in the different countries, with the influence of the foreign scripts as well as the use of different writing implements and materials. The changes in the letter-forms were sometimes due to deliberate imitation and they sometimes occurred unintentionally, mainly because the continual use of foreign scripts together with the Hebrew script occasionally caused changes in the hand-movement of bilingual scribes. Thus the Hebrew scripts in the Islamic countries show affinities with the Arabic script while the Hebrew scripts in Christian Europe show affinities with the Latin script-styles used in the different countries. And I would add, the Hebrew script[s?] in China show affinities with the Chinese writing. Compare: Another practical example: The script used in the 14th century Munich manuscript of the entire Talmud obviously show a similarity to the kind of script used in the German lands of the period, or at least it is obvious that it was produced not in Spain, but in Germany! posted by Mississippi Fred MacDowell at 5:20 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: James Tabor Subject: Re: [Dialogue] categories of hell, eternal punishment, etc. in Judaism Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 01:25:50 -0400 Size: 6279 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090523/e3996d70/attachment.eml From im50332 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 24 03:34:58 2009 From: im50332 at bigpond.net.au (Pamela Barbera) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:34:58 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] What does a Chinese Chumash look like? References: <855590370905220513r4a2658a9y531cbd3ad91e4c30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Hanoch, interesting. I read a book some years ago about a group in China that still kills a Red Bull every year as if the temple was still in existance! Interesting isn't it. Kol Tov, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: Hanoch Young To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: [Dialogue] What does a Chinese Chumash look like? An interesting article....since my handwriting is SO BAD, I wonder what it would be associated with? Yom Yerushalayim Sameach v'Shabbat Shalom, Hanoch On the Main Line ??? ???? ?? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ???' ????? ??? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ???' --???? Thursday, May 21, 2009 What does a Chinese chumash look like? Relating to the Kennicott post below, Europeans had known of the existence of Jews in China since the 16th century, when an Italian monk named Matteo Ricci, in China, received a visitor. This visitor had heard that a man from far away was in town, and from a description it appeared that he was monotheistic. Perhaps something about the man's relationship with the Bible reached his ears too, so thinking he was a fellow Jew he went to meet him. For his part, Ricci figured that the visitor was Muslim. After some time it became clear that the man was a Jew and, to the visitor, that Ricci was not. They probably had a good laugh. In any case, from this point on Europeans were aware of contemporary Chinese Jews. Their origin, customs and knowledge of Jews and Judaism is interesting, but should wait for another time (except to generally mention that Chinese Jews seem to have their origin in Persia). What is important is that Europeans assumed that the Chinese Jews, like all Jews, had Bible manuscripts. This became particularly important in the 18th century, when great research projects probing exact text of the Hebrew Bible, based in large part on manuscripts, were attempted. It was believed that the Chinese manuscripts were most likely the least corrupted from outside influence due to the remoteness of the Chinese Jews. It was thought essential to track down and see these Chinese Bible manuscripts. Here are Kennicott's references to sources on Chinese Bibles: Since you and I would probably already be aware if something fantastic were discovered in Chinese Bibles, and we are not, we realize that the hopes proved entirely without merit. Chinese Bibles were . . . Bibles. Like the other Bibles. I would like to hear Chinese trop though. Look below: From the rare volume Fac-Similes of the Hebrew Manuscripts, obtained at the Jewish Synagogue in K'ae-Fung-Foo, Shanghai 1851. Printed with wood blocks on rice paper! It's interesting to see the appearance of the letters, which obviously are influenced by Chinese writing. This well illustrates a principle of Hebrew paleography mentioned here: The geographical factor and the influence of imitation of other scripts. The Jewish script, and later the Hebrew script, evolved many styles due to contact with foreign scripts. Already before the dispersion of the Jews throughout the world, the Jewish script came into contact with the Greek and Latin scripts as well as the Nabatean script. In later times many new script-styles evolved among the Jewish communities in the different countries, with the influence of the foreign scripts as well as the use of different writing implements and materials. The changes in the letter-forms were sometimes due to deliberate imitation and they sometimes occurred unintentionally, mainly because the continual use of foreign scripts together with the Hebrew script occasionally caused changes in the hand-movement of bilingual scribes. Thus the Hebrew scripts in the Islamic countries show affinities with the Arabic script while the Hebrew scripts in Christian Europe show affinities with the Latin script-styles used in the different countries. And I would add, the Hebrew script[s?] in China show affinities with the Chinese writing. Compare: Another practical example: The script used in the 14th century Munich manuscript of the entire Talmud obviously show a similarity to the kind of script used in the German lands of the period, or at least it is obvious that it was produced not in Spain, but in Germany! posted by Mississippi Fred MacDowell at 5:20 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090524/93c8a9ee/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Sun May 24 07:53:27 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:53:27 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession Message-ID: Betty, Marvin, Your stories about your mothers are so very powerful. They are wonderful to read - poignant with sadness and love. My heart and prayers are with all on this list. I am thinking of you all.. Mothers are very special. Thank you for reminding us of this. Catherine xx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090524/9a188bbb/attachment.html From rndavar at aol.com Sun May 24 08:31:59 2009 From: rndavar at aol.com (Ross Nichols) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:31:59 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] BeMidbar Message-ID: <1113024367-1243171771-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-18503824-@bxe1298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> My class on Torah reading BeMidbar is on my site for download for those that are interested. I have not yet posted the Torah reading file or the Dialogue session. My teaching focuses on the Haphtarah reading from Hosea. Shalom, Ross Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sun May 24 08:33:40 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:33:40 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Synagogue without Walls Message-ID: I just spent a bit of time this morning on the Roots of Faith Web site: Synagogue without Walls (http://rootsoffaith.net). I have not had much time of late to spend there as I am very pressed with working on the upcoming Mt Zion dig, as well as my Paul book, due to the publisher this summer--and about a dozen other things! Anyway, This site is different from Ross Nichols's main Web site: http://rootsoffaith.org . I think most of you know this and many of you are members of the SWW, but I had a few observations. I realize that for many these kinds of "Social Network sites" modeled on Facebook and My Space, can be a bit daunting and confusing to navigate, however, it is easy to join and fun to browse, despite the huge amount of activity going on from the now almost 200 members! What I love about Ross's idea, and I think it has succeeded and will continue to succeed beyond our wildest dreams, is that it has drawn together such a diverse group of people, all pulled by a common orientation to "God, Torah, and Israel," but with views, opinions, and backgrounds across the board. What amazes me is the harmony and wisdom that exists among these many folks, drawn together at this site. It is truly an amazing thing. If you have not joined I encourage you to do so, and if you are a member, please be sure you have posted a photo (we still have dozens of "faceless' members), and try visiting the site a bit at your next opportunity, contributing as you wish. I came away today feeling really good that I had dropped in. Just hit the link here and give it a try: http://rootsoffaith.net Take care, Shavua' Tov to all, James From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sun May 24 13:09:10 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:09:10 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] From new moon to new moon... Message-ID: <4BFA8634-5E11-4DA8-ADC5-870676930CCD@earthlink.net> I was just thinking today that it has been a month, as in "moon," since so many of us gathered in Charlotte for the United Israel meeting the weekend of April 24th, while others who could not come were able to join us over the Internet. So much has happened over the past weeks in my own life, it has literally been a rush, even a whirl-- but all the while I have carried with me the thoughts, feelings, memories, and spirit I experienced with those of you who could be there. I just wanted to say something about this on this Memorial Day weekend. I keep thinking some things are fundamentally different in our group and associations and the waves are reaching out in many ways. Thanking of you all! Shalom, James P.S. If any of you getting this are not on the Roots of Faith Dialogue e-mail list you can easily join at http://www.rootsoffaith.org/About_Dialogue.htm From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sun May 24 13:15:39 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:15:39 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Men's Shavuot Retreat Hosted by Chris Christenbury this weekend Message-ID: <4E828EF3-DE04-4C72-840A-948391B54F63@earthlink.net> I am wondering how many are planning on going to the Men's Shavuot Retreat up in Boone, NC hosted by Chris Christenbury. I know Ralph and I are going to be there, and I hope my son Dan will be able to join us. I was just wanting to get some "buzz" on our e-mail Lists regarding this event, even though it is "men only." Two years ago, the last time a group of us gathered, it was truly one of the greatest times we have ever had, camping out along the river, talking under the stars. We are truly looking forward to it. Chris, I wonder if you can reserve our "tent" for Ralph, Dan, and me or do I need to bring one. I just have a little one...How are plans coming? We will bring some good vegetarian cook out stuff so don't bother to get things for us meatless ones. Warmest best to all, James From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sun May 24 13:20:35 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:20:35 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Men's Shavuot Retreat Link Message-ID: <31996F3E-3C98-48B5-ACDE-18FC91C7230D@earthlink.net> There is a link on the Synagogue without Walls Web site with information, maps, etc. I hope Chris will send that info around to the Dialogue List as well but it might be open access to even those not signed up as members, I am not sure: http://www.rootsoffaith.net/events/5th-annual-shavuot-mens James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know Ralph and > I are going to be there, and I hope my son Dan will be able to join > us. I was just wanting to get some "buzz" on our e-mail Lists > regarding this event, even though it is "men only." Two years ago, the > last time a group of us gathered, it was truly one of the greatest > times we have ever had, camping out along the river, talking under the > stars. We are truly looking forward to it. Chris, I wonder if you can > reserve our "tent" for Ralph, Dan, and me or do I need to bring one. I > just have a little one...How are plans coming? We will bring some good > vegetarian cook out stuff so don't bother to get things for us > meatless ones. > > Warmest best to all, > > James > > > _______________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090524/4c50e079/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sun May 24 13:58:05 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:58:05 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Men's Shavuot Retreat Hosted by Chris Christenbury this weekend In-Reply-To: References: <4E828EF3-DE04-4C72-840A-948391B54F63@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sound good to me! But I can understand "retreat" in another sense, i.e., withdrawing to that "desert" experience from the world, pulling away from "Bablylon," and remember Sinai!! But yes, let's advance. I am so excited you guys are coming. What a grand time we will have. Now if we can only get Ross and the his Might Men to come! Wow! Them hills would shake would they not! James On May 24, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Web Hulon wrote: > Shalom James, > There will be seven of us from Beth Lechem going to the Shavuot > gathering. I have an idea. I'm not big on retreating. I like to > move forward, so lets call it the Shavuot Advance! > Web > > > From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net > > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:15:39 -0400 > > Subject: [Dialogue] Men's Shavuot Retreat Hosted by Chris > Christenbury this weekend > > > > I am wondering how many are planning on going to the Men's Shavuot > > Retreat up in Boone, NC hosted by Chris Christenbury. I know Ralph > and > > I are going to be there, and I hope my son Dan will be able to join > > us. I was just wanting to get some "buzz" on our e-mail Lists > > regarding this event, even though it is "men only." Two years ago, > the > > last time a group of us gathered, it was truly one of the greatest > > times we have ever had, camping out along the river, talking under > the > > stars. We are truly looking forward to it. Chris, I wonder if you > can > > reserve our "tent" for Ralph, Dan, and me or do I need to bring > one. I > > just have a little one...How are plans coming? We will bring some > good > > vegetarian cook out stuff so don't bother to get things for us > > meatless ones. > > > > Warmest best to all, > > > > James > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. Check it > out. _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090524/f54ac09b/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Sun May 24 15:16:02 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:16:02 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Mt Zion Web Drive--Hurray! Message-ID: <541517E1-072E-490A-8B65-C79DC2A9CF6A@earthlink.net> We just topped $4000 on our Mt Zion Web drive! Hurray! See http://digmountzion.com/information and watch the little graph move along! Folks, I am beginning to think this is going to work. We have three weeks to go, as the dig begins on Sunday, June 14th! James From cormary at mts.net Sun May 24 16:37:09 2009 From: cormary at mts.net (Cornie Reimer) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:37:09 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. In-Reply-To: <651692.47105.qm@web35505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <651692.47105.qm@web35505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A19BE05.9030903@mts.net> Joe, I have a feeling that Jessica must be on the right track, causing the suffering she goes through. am praying for her. Cornie > > From: JOE INDOMENICO > Subject: [Dialogue] Prayer Request. Jessica. > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:25 PM > > /Shavua Tov Chaverim, > > I have just put the phone down after speaking to Jessica. > Things are not all that well for her and her family. > Due to the personal nature of the problems I am not privy to share > them at this time. > > However I do humbly request your prayers during this very > sensitive time. > Many of you may not know Jessica. She was a member of the dialogue > group until she asked for leave to attend her ailing and dying > mother,Margaret. Margaret passed away last Motzei Shabbat. > Since then a whole myriad of issues have surfaced. > > Please hold her up in your prayers. > She is a remarkable woman who has endured so much tragedy in her life. > > My apologies Adayah. I am not in the right spirit to share about > the Yovel at this point in time. > I hope you understand. > > *Shalom v'Ahavah > JOE.* > / > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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May 18, 2009 [image: SonyaLoyap60_m.jpg] Sonya Loya is the director of Bat-Tzyion Hebrew Learning Center in Ruidoso, N.M. (Courtesy of University of New Mexico Pre) EL PASO, Texas (JTA) -- Three strange things happened to Rabbi Stephen Leon the first week he moved here in 1986 to lead Congregation B'nai Zion, the Conservative synagogue in this border city. ?Rabino,? said a Catholic man calling from Jaurez, Mexico, about 30 minutes away. ?I need to talk to you.? Every Friday night from the time he was little, the man's grandmother took him into a room, lit candles and said some prayers in a private language he didn't understand. His grandmother had just died, and he asked his mother if she would continue the tradition. She told him to go find a rabbi. Three days later, a Catholic woman from El Paso came to the rabbi after visiting a relative in mourning, where she noticed that all the mirrors were covered. ?Why are you doing this?? she asked her relatives. They said it was a Jewish custom. Then the cable guy came, and the rabbi told him, ?Shalom Y'all.? The man -- a Catholic Hispanic -- opened his shirt and showed his Jewish star necklace -- he had just found out about his Jewish roots. ?Three incidents in a week and a half?? Leon recalled. ?There has to be * something* going on.? Twenty-two years later that something is still going on: A steady trickle of Hispanics in the Southwest, from Juarez to Texas to New Mexico, are discovering Jewish roots. Some are set on their search because of a mysterious tradition practiced by an older relative, such as not eating pork or working on Saturday. For others the clue is an artifact like a trompito spinning top that resembles a dreidel, or a set of tefillin that a Catholic grandmother on a road trip once insisted on depositing with the rabbi. But for the majority of people it's something more tenuous: a word here (bubbe, tzedakah), a Jewish name there (Rael, from Israel). Very often it's just a feeling about Catholicism, Jesus, their past or what they say is their soul that leads people to wonder if their family was once Jewish. Crypto-Jews. Marranos. Anusim. Judios. Conversos. They are all terms with different nuances referring to Jews and/or their descendants who were forced to convert after Spain and Portugal expelled all non-Catholics, but continued to practice Judaism or maintained some Jewish customs even as they and their children migrated to Latin America, Europe and finally the United States. Some Crypto-Jews are interested in the genealogical knowledge but are not planning on leaving Catholicism; others practice a dual Messianic faith with both Judaism and Jesus. A very few give up their Catholic faith and convert -- they prefer the word ?return? -- to Judaism. ?Who do you count?? asked Stanley Hordes, one of the foremost experts on the Crypto-Jews and author of ?To the End of the Earth: A History of the Crypto-Jews of New Mexico? (Columbia University Press, 2008). ?Chances are really good that many people have Jewish ancestors going back 500 years,? he said, estimating that after half of Spain's several hundred thousand Jews left the country, half converted to Catholicism -- half of those Jews converted willingly, assimilating and eventually blending into Catholic society. ?There were certain families that held onto ancestral Jewish faith and continued to practice,? he said. ?Today, the overwhelming majority are perfectly content in their Protestantism and Catholicism. Only a handful of cases people are exploring a relationship with mainstream Judaism.? This Shavuot, as Jews around the world celebrate the giving of the Torah on Mount Sinai and read the Book of Ruth -- the story of the world's most famous convert to Judaism -- some of these Crypto-Jewish returnees will celebrate their bar and bat mitzvah with Leon at Congregation B'nai Zion, a synagogue with 400 families. Ten percent of the members are Crypto-Jews, yet ?without my* *anusim I might not have a minyan,? Leon said. He's not kidding. On a hot Saturday morning in May, in the imposing angular white B'nai Zion building set starkly against the mountain range dividing El Paso, about 30 of the 50 people sitting in the circular sanctuary topped by a Jewish star skylight are Crypto-Jews. (The larger sanctuary is used on the High Holidays to accommodate the 1,500 members.) One is Blanca Carrasco, 43, who returned to Judaism last year and is about to celebrate her bat mitzvah on Shavuot, which this year begins on the evening of May 28. As the rabbi takes the Torah around the sanctuary to be kissed, the congregation sings "Etz chayim chai, l'amachazikim bah" (?A tree of life to all those who hold fast to it ...?) and Carrasco tears up at the last verse: "Hashiveinu hashem elecha v'nashuva" -- ?Return us to you, God, and we shall return.? Carrasco's return to Judaism started as a curious Catholic child in Mexico, where she was infatuated with everything in the Bible. By the time she was 20 she converted to Evangelical Christianity, but the doctrine was still lacking for her and her husband, Cezar, who considered himself more of an atheist. Then, about 14 years ago, her mother invited her to a Passover seder at a Messianic congregation in El Paso. ?We felt it was familiar -- it felt like home,? Blanca Carrasco said. ?Right in that instance, our life changed,? she added. ?I needed to know more.? Like a number of Crypto-Jews who now attend B'nai Zion, the Carrascos began their religious transformation by praying at the Messianic Center in El Paso, where they learned about Judaism, important rabbis, the Jewish festivals and history, and Crypto-Jews. She found some family names -- Espinoza, Israel, Salinas -- and a great-aunt who said her grandmother spoke Ladino. Eventually Carrasco began to believe only in the Jewish traditions, and three years ago she decided to leave the Messianic congregation after a decade there. ?How can I explain to what is in my heart?? she said. ?People would tell us, 'You don't have to do it,' but we just love it and want to learn and want to do it.? A year ago the couple underwent a ?return ceremony,? which is technically a conversion, replete with a conversion certificate, since it requires at least a year of study, mikvah immersion and a declaration of faith. For the Carrascos, their b'nai mitzvah ceremony on Shavuot is just another rite of passage on their journey to Judaism. ?Now we belong -- we are not longing anymore, we are here," Blanca Carrasco said. "We reached the place we were heading to.? Talk to a number of the 50 anusim families that Leon has returned to Judaism -- some of whom will be b'nai mitzvah this week -- and you'll hear a similar story. Margarita Luna remembered that her grandmother always lit candles on Friday night before saying the Rosary. But her mother didn't want to talk about it -- perhaps that was because during the Mexican wars in the 1920s they had to hide in a well for a few days. ?Always in my heart I feel that I love the Jewish traditions,? she says, fingering her mezuzah necklace. ?And always I say I am Jewish and I need to go back to my roots.? She and her husband, Victor, converted five years ago, and after their b'nai mitzvah on Shavuot, they plan to have a Jewish wedding ceremony and, hopefully one day, move to Israel with their teenage daughter. Is finding historical proof important to them? ?It's not a determinant for my actual connection with God,? Victor said. ?I think my heart, my feelings, my soul is Jewish. That is most important thing. For Leon, who led a New Jersey congregation for 22 years prior to coming to El Paso, this has become his mission. ?God said to me, 'I cannot bring back the 6 million who were killed in the Holocaust, but there was another group before who are alive in much larger numbers than Holocaust survivors because it's been 500 years, generation after generation of generation," he said. "Their souls are still alive. ? You have to do something about it.?? Not everyone agrees with this mission. Rabbi Yisrael Greenberg of Chabad of El Paso says he receives his share of phone calls from Mexicans who think they have Jewish roots but discourages conversion. ?I think the Crypto-Jew is a real thing -- 500 years ago in the Inquisition hundreds of thousands of Jewish boys and girls disappeared from the Jewish community ? Jews always disappeared from the Jewish community -- most of it by force,? Greenberg said. But, he added, referring to the strong religious ties of Mexican families and the community, ?We have to be careful -- we break families.? ?We should put our energy into the Jewish people rather than to try and bring anusim back,? Greenberg said. ?If the anusim have a desire to understand Judaism, then let's teach them about their ancestors and let them have an understanding,? he added, implying that the best thing to do would be to leave it at that. Such an approach would be fine with Elay Romero, a retired pipe fitter, who has been retracing his family's lineage through state records and was considering some DNA testing. He discovered Hordes' book about Crypto-Jews and came to Taos, N.M., to hear the historian speak on the topic at the New Mexico Jewish Historical Society. ?I'm just curious," Romero said. "If I had Jewish blood, it's fine. But we've been practicing Catholics for generations, and I won't change my affiliation with the Church.? The rabbi, meanwhile, has big plans. In addition to welcoming Crypto-Jews, he helped start an anusim/Sephardic learning center and yeshiva in El Paso with Juan Pable Mejia, a graduate of the rabbinical program at the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, and Sonya Loya, the director of Bat-Tzyion Hebrew Learning Center in Ruidoso, N.M. The goal would be to bring awareness to the Jewish and general public about the Inquisition and Crypto-Jews on par with Holocaust remembrance. ?The anusim will come back eventually; there is a yearning. There is a divine plan out there,? Leon said. With Hispanics being the fastest-growing population and the Jews constantly concerned about their diminishing population, Leon says the Jewish community should welcome those Hispanics who want to explore their Jewish ancestry. ?I think the anusim are the only answer,? he said. ?They are returning one way or another.? -- ?The world in which you were born is just one model of reality. 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Margie --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Fwd: The secret Jews of the Southwest To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 4:58 PM ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Sun, May 24, 2009 at 5:32 PM Subject: Fwd: The secret Jews of the Southwest To: YoungBarzel at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Shirley R Gindler-Price To: JMNET at SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wed, 20 May 2009 6:01 pm Subject: The secret Jews of the Southwest The secret Jews of the Southwest By Amy Klein ? May 18, 2009 Sonya Loya is the director of Bat-Tzyion Hebrew Learning ?Center in Ruidoso, N.M. (Courtesy of University of New Mexico Pre) EL PASO, Texas (JTA)?-- Three strange things happened to Rabbi Stephen Leon the first week he moved here in 1986 to lead Congregation B'nai Zion, the Conservative synagogue in this border city.? ?Rabino,? said a Catholic man calling from Jaurez, Mexico, about 30 minutes away. ?I need to talk to you.? Every Friday night from the time he was little, the man's grandmother took him into a room, lit candles and said some prayers in a private language he didn't understand. His grandmother had just died, and he asked his mother if she would continue the tradition. She told him to go find a rabbi. Three days later, a Catholic woman from El Paso came to the rabbi after visiting a relative in mourning, where she noticed that all the mirrors were covered. ?Why are you doing this?? she asked her relatives. They said it was a Jewish custom. Then the cable guy came, and the rabbi told him, ?Shalom Y'all.? The man -- a Catholic Hispanic -- opened his shirt and showed his Jewish star necklace -- he had just found out about his Jewish roots. ?Three incidents in a week and a half?? Leon recalled. ?There has to be something going on.? Twenty-two years later that something is still going on: A steady trickle of Hispanics in the Southwest, from Juarez to Texas to New Mexico, are discovering Jewish roots. Some are set on their search because of a mysterious tradition practiced by an older relative, such as not eating pork or working on Saturday. For others the clue is an artifact like a trompito spinning top that resembles a dreidel, or a set of tefillin that a Catholic grandmother on a road trip once insisted on depositing with the rabbi. But for the majority of people it's something more tenuous: a word here (bubbe, tzedakah), a Jewish name there (Rael, from Israel). Very often it's just a feeling about Catholicism, Jesus, their past or what they say is their soul that leads people to wonder if their family was once Jewish. Crypto-Jews. Marranos. Anusim. Judios. Conversos. They are all terms with different nuances referring to Jews and/or their descendants who were forced to convert after Spain and Portugal expelled all non-Catholics, but continued to practice Judaism or maintained some Jewish customs even as they and their children migrated to Latin America, Europe and finally the United States. Some Crypto-Jews are interested in the genealogical knowledge but are not planning on leaving Catholicism; others practice a dual Messianic faith with both Judaism and Jesus. A very few give up their Catholic faith and convert -- they prefer the word ?return? -- to Judaism. ?Who do you count?? asked Stanley Hordes, one of the foremost experts on the Crypto-Jews and author of ?To the End of the Earth: A History of the Crypto-Jews of New Mexico? (Columbia University Press, 2008). ?Chances are really good that many people have Jewish ancestors going back 500 years,? he said, estimating that after half of Spain's several hundred thousand Jews left the country, half converted to Catholicism -- half of those Jews converted willingly, assimilating and eventually blending into Catholic society. ?There were certain families that held onto ancestral Jewish faith and continued to practice,? he said. ?Today, the overwhelming majority are perfectly content in their Protestantism and Catholicism. Only a handful of cases people are exploring a relationship with mainstream Judaism.? This Shavuot, as Jews around the world celebrate the giving of the Torah on Mount Sinai and read the Book of Ruth -- the story of the world's most famous convert to Judaism -- some of these Crypto-Jewish returnees will celebrate their bar and bat mitzvah with Leon at Congregation B'nai Zion, a synagogue with 400 families. Ten percent of the members are Crypto-Jews, yet ?without my anusim? I might not have a minyan,? Leon said. He's not kidding. On a hot Saturday morning in May, in the imposing angular white B'nai Zion building set starkly against the mountain range dividing El Paso, about 30 of the 50 people sitting in the circular sanctuary topped by a Jewish star skylight are Crypto-Jews. (The larger sanctuary is used on the High Holidays to accommodate the 1,500 members.) One is Blanca Carrasco, 43, who returned to Judaism last year and is about to celebrate her bat mitzvah on Shavuot, which this year begins on the evening of May 28. As the rabbi takes the Torah around the sanctuary to be kissed, the congregation sings "Etz chayim chai, l'amachazikim bah" (?A tree of life to all those who hold fast to it ...?) and Carrasco tears up at the last verse: "Hashiveinu hashem elecha v'nashuva" -- ?Return us to you, God, and we shall return.? Carrasco's return to Judaism started as a curious Catholic child in Mexico, where she was infatuated with everything in the Bible. By the time she was 20 she converted to Evangelical Christianity, but the doctrine was still lacking for her and her husband, Cezar, who considered himself more of an atheist. Then, about 14 years ago, her mother invited her to a Passover seder at a Messianic congregation in El Paso. ?We felt it was familiar -- it felt like home,? Blanca Carrasco said. ?Right in that instance, our life changed,? she added. ?I needed to know more.?? Like a number of Crypto-Jews who now attend B'nai Zion, the Carrascos began their religious transformation by praying at the Messianic Center in El Paso, where they learned about Judaism, important rabbis, the Jewish festivals and history, and Crypto-Jews. She found some family names -- Espinoza, Israel, Salinas -- and a great-aunt who said her grandmother spoke Ladino. Eventually Carrasco began to believe only in the Jewish traditions, and three years ago she decided to leave the Messianic congregation after a decade there. ?How can I explain to what is in my heart?? she said. ?People would tell us, 'You don't have to do it,' but we just love it and want to learn and want to do it.? A year ago the couple underwent a ?return ceremony,? which is technically a conversion, replete with a conversion certificate, since it requires at least a year of study, mikvah immersion and a declaration of faith. For the Carrascos, their b'nai mitzvah ceremony on Shavuot is just another rite of passage on their journey to Judaism. ?Now we belong -- we are not longing anymore, we are here,"?Blanca Carrasco said. "We reached the place we were heading to.? Talk to a number of the 50 anusim families that Leon has returned to Judaism -- some of whom will be b'nai mitzvah this week -- and you'll hear a similar story. Margarita Luna remembered that her grandmother always lit candles on Friday night before saying the Rosary. But her mother didn't want to talk about it -- perhaps that was because during the Mexican wars in the 1920s they had to hide in a well for a few days. ?Always in my heart I feel that I love the Jewish traditions,? she says, fingering her mezuzah necklace. ?And always I say I am Jewish and I need to go back to my roots.? She and her husband, Victor, converted five years ago, and after their b'nai mitzvah on Shavuot, they plan to have a Jewish wedding ceremony and, hopefully one day, move to Israel with their teenage daughter. Is finding historical proof important to them? ?It's not a determinant for my actual connection with God,? Victor said. ?I think my heart, my feelings, my soul is Jewish. That is most important thing. For Leon, who led a New Jersey congregation for 22 years prior to coming to El Paso, this has become his mission. ?God said to me, 'I cannot bring back the 6 million who were killed in the Holocaust, but there was another group before who are alive in much larger numbers than Holocaust survivors because it's been 500 years, generation after generation of generation," he said. "Their souls are still alive. ? You have to do something about it.?? Not everyone agrees with this mission. Rabbi Yisrael Greenberg of Chabad of El Paso says he receives his share of phone calls from Mexicans who think they have Jewish roots but discourages conversion. ?I think the Crypto-Jew is a real thing -- 500 years ago in the Inquisition hundreds of thousands of Jewish boys and girls disappeared from the Jewish community ? Jews always disappeared from the Jewish community -- most of it by force,? Greenberg said. But, he added, referring to the strong religious ties of Mexican families and the community, ?We have to be careful -- we break families.? ?We should put our energy into the Jewish people rather than to try and bring anusim back,? Greenberg said. ?If the anusim have a desire to understand Judaism, then let's teach them about their ancestors and let them have an understanding,? he added, implying that the best thing to do would be to leave it at that. Such an approach would be fine with Elay Romero, a retired pipe fitter, who has been retracing his family's lineage through state records and was considering some DNA testing. He discovered Hordes' book about Crypto-Jews and came to Taos, N.M., to hear the historian speak on the topic at the New Mexico Jewish Historical Society. ?I'm just curious," Romero said. "If I had Jewish blood, it's fine. But we've been practicing Catholics for generations, and I won't change my affiliation with the Church.? The rabbi, meanwhile, has big plans. In addition to welcoming Crypto-Jews, he helped start an anusim/Sephardic learning center and yeshiva in El Paso with Juan Pable Mejia, a graduate of the rabbinical program at the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, and Sonya Loya, the director of Bat-Tzyion Hebrew Learning Center in Ruidoso, N.M. The goal would be to bring awareness to the Jewish and general public about the Inquisition and Crypto-Jews on par with Holocaust remembrance. ?The anusim will come back eventually; there is a yearning. There is a divine plan out there,? Leon said. With Hispanics being the fastest-growing population and the Jews constantly concerned about their diminishing population, Leon says the Jewish community should welcome those Hispanics who want to explore their Jewish ancestry. ?I think the anusim are the only answer,? he said. ?They are returning one way or another.? -- ?The world in which you were born is just one model of reality. 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 50724 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090524/0102b934/attachment.jpe From mhyde7 at tds.net Sun May 24 20:13:51 2009 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:13:51 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB4328DB4FC4B12BF774FC4113B7887@MarvinLT> Thanks to all for your thoughtful comments and prayers. I'm just starting this journey and I will need all the prayers I can get. One thing I would encourage all that still have their parents to take the time to sit and talk and ask questions about them their life's and anything else that comes to mind. I'm getting to do this some with my wife's father who is staying with us for a few more weeks. The previous generations have so much to share in the way of wonderful stories and timeless wisdom. Even if your parents are young seek out your grandparents or even aged uncles, aunts and friends. I have always been one who like the older people around me and their stories and learning form them. But, now with my father gone and my mother almost to the point where she can really not focus on any time period in her life, I realize my opportunity is past and I miss it with my parents and grandparents. Marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Cashmore Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:53 AM To: roots Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession Betty, Marvin, Your stories about your mothers are so very powerful. They are wonderful to read - poignant with sadness and love. My heart and prayers are with all on this list. I am thinking of you all.. Mothers are very special. Thank you for reminding us of this. Catherine xx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090524/d4342665/attachment.html From cormary at mts.net Mon May 25 07:46:08 2009 From: cormary at mts.net (Cornie Reimer) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:46:08 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] SHAVUOT TORAH Message-ID: <4A1A9310.4050407@mts.net> This seems to be quite explicit advice for the coming Shavuot, the anniversary of the Torah's revelation* * * Cornie * * * *A SHAVUOT TORAH (5769)* *based on Tanya, ch. 35* *by Sarah Yehudit Schneider* Shavuot, the anniversary of the Torah's revelation, is called the marriage ceremony between the Jewish people and/ /HaShem. Just as a wedding formalizes and makes public the bond of commitment between a man and a woman, thereby permitting them to enter into physical intimacy, so the revelation of the Torah --- its /mitzvot/ and their acceptance by the people --- introduced a parallel dimension of intimacy between humanity and G-d. It enabled the soul to have a physical relationship with its Creator that was formally sanctified, for its body could now also unite with HaShem , fully, in the moment of /mitzvah/. Before a couple enters into marriage, they can relate on every level except the physical. They can feel and express deep emotional, intellectual, and spiritual intimacy. It is only physical union which is denied them. Similarly, before the giving of Torah, a person's spiritual service could be quite passionate --- motivated by deep love, fear, and knowledge of G-d. We see this clearly with the Patriarchs and Matriarchs. Their love and fear and consuming devotion to G-d was infinitely beyond what we can gli mpse, let alone attain. Nevertheless, /HaShem/ did not command them concerning the /mitzvot/. Since He did not specify to them what action He wanted on the physical plane, how it should be performed, and with which materials, the Patriarchs and Matriarchs could not express this ultimate state of surrender to their Creator by joyfully submitting body as well as soul to His will. Their bodies fulfilled /their/ commands, not the commands of the Creator. The physical could not enter into direct relationship with G-d because His will for the physical was not yet revealed. The counterpart of marriage in the soul's relationship to G-d did not exist. The mechanism is as follows: /Mitzvah/, by definition, is an explicit statement of Divine will. The Cosmic Mind articulates His desire in an absolutely explicit and unambiguous form. "I want you to do this...I do not want you to do that." The command furthermore defines a particular action in this world. For example, striking a match and lighting candles before the sun sets on Friday, or reading aloud the story of the Exodus from Egypt as recorded in the /hagada/ on Pesach. The body becomes the focus (to some extent) of the /mitzvah/ since its movements are the necessary means by which the request can be fulfilled. Thus the command spans from the highest height to the lowest depth. It emanates from a Source beyond the will and initiative of the person himself (i.e. the transcendent will of the Creator) and defines in explicit detail the physical gestures and material accessories required for its satisfaction. Therefore, at the moment of performing the /mitzvah/, every level of the person from highest to lowest, as well as the physical accessories, become completely submitted to G-d's will, and are permanently altered by that experience. Before the giving of Torah, such total surrender on every level was not possible, for the /self/ had to design its own devotion. Even when /"self"/ is the highest, most sublime and spiritual identity of a person, nevertheless, it is still "self" and as such remains an "entity" unto itself, intrinsically apart from its Creator. Only when the self can submit it/self /to an explicit request does the final barrier to union dissolve. The lowest and most physical level of a person can now also enter into active spiritual service. /HaShem/ specifically requested the body to perform this particular task, so in the moment of fulfillment the body becomes nothing but an instrument of Divine will, a limb, so to speak, of the Creator. At that point the impossible is accomplished: the Infinite (G-d) dwells within the finite (a huma n body). A profound unity is forged. The body can only surrender to its Creator completely when the Creator's desire for the body is known. The beam of Divine will did not extend to the physical dimension of humanity before Sinai, for only then were the/ mitzvot/ (as Divine requests) formally conveyed. Until then, metaphorically speaking, one could opt for celibacy or an unsanctified relationship. The marriage canopy did not yet exist. This is the unavoidable situation when a person must rely on his own intuitive sense of what the Creator's desires may be. There always remains a thin veil of self which prevents the soul's consummate union with its Beloved. This deficiency mirrors itself below for the union does not extend to fully embrace the body. The spiritual equivalent of physical intimacy does not take place, and the marriage cannot consummate. Conversely, when we enter into the beam of will that constitutes a /mitzvah/ our existential state of separation from G-d is suspended for that moment. We enter the most profound state of union with G-d that is possible in this world (or any world for that matter). Let it be on this Shavuot, as the Torah is revealed anew, that we rededicate ourselves to the blessed gift of our holy /mitzvot/. Let every layer of our selves---our head, our heart and even our body---know, from direct experience, the pure and utter joy of serving God. And let this holy delight reverberate out to the far corners of the earth, and l et it bring healing and awakening and redemption, Now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We also have > wireless internet if you want to bring a laptop. We have a nice > regulation slate bed pool table for those of us who are so inclined. > There is also the nice cool flowing waters of Cove Creek we can take > chairs into and sit and chat. If anyone feels the desire to Mikvah > we can handle that in HaShem?s natural Mikvah. > We will get under way on Friday evening for a nice Shabbat cook out > with Hebrew National hot dogs, hamburgers, grilled salmon, corn the > cob that we put on the grill in the husk that will kill you it is so > tasty. We will have plenty of salad stuff and other various rabbit > food so don?t feel like you have to bring anything. > For breakfast on Saturday and Sunday we will have yogurt, lox & > bagels, scrambled eggs and all kinds of fruit. For lunch on Saturday > we will have more rabbit food and cold cuts. For dinner Saturday > evening we will be treated to a special dish of Kosher chili made by > our new friends form South Carolina. They are bringing up Kosher > meat for the chili and we can do veggie chili as well. Of course we > will have enough rabbit food for everyone as well. > I have various soft drinks, water, juice, and club soda for us to > enjoy all the time, kept ice cold. I swore when I left Vietnam that > I would never have to drink anything without plenty of ice ever > again. We will wrap it up around noon on Sunday (or later if anyone > wants to stay) and we can finish off any leftovers. > I have purchased a number of bottles of nice wines which we will be > able to enjoy and there will be other adult beverages available if > one is interested. I also bought a box of very nice Gurka cigars > that we can enjoy if you are of the mind. > Please let me know for sure when you might arrive so we can get an > idea of when to start cooking. If anyone can not Google us (2277 Old > US Highway 421, Vilas, NC) (or try Amantha, NC) and find the log > cabin please call me on my cell (828.310.5760) for directions. There > is a detour which you will see on Old US 421 about 1 mile from the > cabin that tells you there is no through traffic. Since you are not > going as far as the bridge that is out, don?t worry about it, just > keep on going straight on Old US 421. Do not mix Old 421 up with the > regular 421. If you do you will end up in Tenn. > Anyone who wants to come is more than welcome and I encourage you to > try if you think there is any way you can make it. I promise that > you will have a wonderful time of man fun and fellowship. > > Shalom, > Chris Christenbury > www.CoveCreekFarm.org > www.LZSanctuary.org > www.AncientFaith.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, check out the Sultan's site, particularly his Friday Afternoon Round-up post: http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2009/05/friday-afternoon-roundup-going-soft-on.html ______________________ Leaks... http://mysticalpaths.blogspot.com/2009/05/leaks.html (posted by Akiva - - 5/24/2009 01:00:00 PM ET) [Current world politics around Jerusalem. How this ties into the navi'im (biblical prophets) in a future article.] Sultan Knish picks up on a US President Barak Obama demand to Israel from a speech Netanyahu made on Thursday. THIS IS IMPORANT! Sultan Knish writes...Netanyahu is revealing some of Obama's demands. One of them demanded that the UN flag fly over the Kotel, or the Western Wall, which is the holiest site in Judaism. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu vowed at the Mercaz HaRav yeshiva in Jerusalem Thursday night that the Israeli flag will continue to fly over the Western Wall (Kotel). The first prime minister in years to appear at the venerable yeshiva on Yom Yerushalayim (Jerusalem Day), he ignored U.S. President Barack Obama's apparent trial balloon that he wants to see the United Nations flag fly over the Old City holy sites. Jordan's King Abdullah II said the president put forward the proposal during his visit to the White House last month. Prime Minister Netanyahu declared, "The flag that flies over the Kotel is the Israeli flag... Our holy places, the Temple Mount -- will remain under Israeli sovereignty forever." In his short but enthusiastic speech at the yeshiva, where an Arab terrorist slaughtered eight young students slightly more than a year ago, Prime Minister Netanyahu repeated his "Undivided Jerusalem" message. The packed study hall of the yeshiva interrupted Prime Minister Netanyahu's short speech several times with applause. The first clap of hands was in response to the statement that Israel's capital "never will be divided again." Jerusalem Day marks the day in the Six Day War upon which the Israel Defense Forces liberated the eastern neighborhoods of Jerusalem from Jordanian rule. This is the 2nd leak on Obama's new Middle East Peace Plan - which with the US leading will find the world pressuring Israel. Here's the points we know of so far: 1 - No Jewish building or living in Yehuda and the Shomron (aka West Bank), or in 60% of Jerusalem. 200,000 Jews to be made homeless and parts of Israel judenridden (Jew free) from Yehuda and the Shomron (West Bank), and another 100,000 from parts of Jerusalem.. 2 - Pali sovereignty over 1/3 of Jerusalem. (Note when such a plan was discussed 5 years ago, there was a rush of Pali residents of Jerusalem requesting Israeli resident status and ID cards - which they are entitled to but had previously avoided for political reasons. When faced with living under their own sovereignty, they chose otherwise.) 3 - UN sovereignty over 1/3 of Jerusalem. (Because the UN runs so many places and situations around the world so well. Gag.) 4 - Arab countries agree to 'recognize' Israel. "Hey, that's Israel over there, isn't it?" Ok, now that's taken care of, Israel should feel much safer now. 5 - Pali's agree not to flood Jewish State of Israel with 2.1 million hostile non-residents, agreeing not to 'resettle' refugees who never lived there and who's grandparents left of their own free will (for the most part) at the instruction of their leaders. On the same note, I'm personally demanding citizenship and housing compensation from Austria, Belarus, and Russia for never having lived there but having heard someone in my family once did. Lining all this politics up with the words of the navi'im (biblical prophets) in future posts, G-d willing. _________________________ It will be interesting to see what posts Reb Akiva's insights into the prophets will be, as well as others in the coming days, months.... 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Any help would be dearly appreciated. 1But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine. .... the I have called thee by thy name .... especially has been sticking with me... along with thou art mine 2When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. 3For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. 4Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee ...... the word precious..... and the phrase and I have loved thee The whole four verses actually, I am highlighting what really causes me to cry upon reflection of things not mentioned.... and would appreciate any help with understanding. I remember the depth of what James Tabor shared once on the phrase "Freind of G-d" in relation to Abraham.. that stuck with me in that same sense of a preciousness of the Word of G-d. Stephen From youngbarzel at gmail.com Mon May 25 15:24:30 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:24:30 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] The Old City's Shaar Sh'chem (Damascus Gate) Message-ID: <855590370905251324j5d2b9638u27de71c9caf65f49@mail.gmail.com> After all these years (Rav Kahane, H"YD, may G-d avenge his blood - was murdered in 1990, and this was written in 1972...), this still remains both an issue and an example of everything we have done wrong in Israel over the last 42 years....we have a lot to rectify. * Hanoch* ** *FROM THE DESK OF* BARBARA GINSBERG * * Rabbi Meir Kahane ON JEWS AND JUDAISM *A MEZUZA* Written: 11 Kislev 5733 - November 17. 1972 There is no mezuza on the Old City of Jerusalem?s Damascus Gate (Shaar Sh?chem). And it is important that every Jew understand why other major entrances to the Old City, such as Jaffa Gate, *DO* have a mezuzot while this one does not; why there once *WAS *a mezuza at Shaar Sh?chem (it was taken down by Arabs and never replaced by Mayor Teddy Kollek), and why the Jewish Defense League demanded that it be allowed to put up the mezuza, was refused permission and had a number of its people arrested. The Old City of Jerusalem is surrounded by the famous wall that is such an attraction for all tourists. Entrance to the Old City is through a number of gates, of which Jaffa and Damascus are the two most famous and heavily traveled. After the 1967 War, mezuzot were placed on all the gates, including Damascus or Sh?chem and *ARAB EXTREMEISTS RIPPED OFF THE LATTER ONE. *The Israeli government preferred not to notice and allowed the desecration to remain unanswered. Why? The answer to this is also the answer to the JDL?s making such an issue out of a gate which may very well ? due to the majority of Arabs living within the Old City ? be free from the religious obligation of a mezuza, in the first place. The Israeli government has followed a careful policy for more than five years of not *?aggravating?* the Arabs. This has involved Israeli refusal and failure to assert Jewish rights as well as a willingness to, de facto, accept Arab demands that run counter to those Jewish rights. Part of that policy includes the refusal to allow Jews unlimited settlement anywhere in that part of Eretz Yisrael liberated after 1967; refusal to allow Jews to live anywhere except in certain parts of the Old City of Jerusalem; and of course, refusal to declare that the liberated areas of 1967 are formally part of the Jewish State. It has also manifested itself in such things as a kid-gloves policy and collaboration with notorious Jew-haters such as Hebron?s Mayor Ja?abari (whose part in the Gush Etzion and Hebron massacres ranges from ugly to murky) as well as government financing and support for an Arab university on the West Bank that will produce the Arab terrorist and nationalist leaders in the next decade. The policy has been hailed as a success, with Dayan declaring that the peace in the liberated areas over the last five years and relative lack of terrorism have proven the wisdom of this policy. In short-range terms he is correct; in the long run this policy is disastrous. Not only does it take away basic Jewish rights, but it tells the world and, worse ? the Israeli Jewish youngsters ? that these rights in truth do not exist. Should we, in the future, decide to demand them, we will find our won credibility attacked and opposition intense from our own people who will, justly, ask: ?But if we really are entitled to these things, why did we not demand them earlier and why did you stop those who did demand them?? For five years we allowed Arabs majority rights in the Hebron Cave ? what does this tell the Israeli student? That it really is Moslem and that only the ?fanatics? want ?more? than the proper Jewish share. For five years we refused Jewish settlement in the West Bank cities of Hebron, Sh?chem, Bethlehem, Ramallah, Jenin, etc. What does this tell the Israeli youth? That these cities are Arab cities, not Jewish ones. For five years we have had different rules and laws for pre-war Israel and for the liberated lands. What does this tell any logical person? That they are not really Jewish but that Israel is using the lands as cards for bargaining. What will happen when Israel decides to demand certain of these rights or comes up with a ?compromise? scheme by which it agrees to return a large part of the lands but keep some of the others for ?security? reasons? The answer is simple. All the sensitive and liberal Jewish youth of Israel, its intellectuals, its writers, its professors, will rise up and say: ?But we have no right to keep that land because it is not ours and the greatest proof is your own refusal to declare them ours from the very first day. This shows that you, yourself, Dayan, do not believe it is Jewish and your desire to hold on to even some of that land is still robbery and annexation. No matter what the clever propagandists say, the Arab is *NOT* equal in Israel so long as Israel remains true to the Zionist dream that created it as a *JEWISH* state. So long as the original rationale for the return to Israel holds true (and if it does not, then we have no right at all to Israel); so long as Israel is ours because it is the home of the Jewish people where they can live free from physical holocaust and spiritual-cultural assimilation; so long as Israel has a Law of Return which applies only to Jews and not to Arabs, then Israel is a *JEWISH* state (and not one that disregards nationality and religion) and the Arab is *NOT*equal. The Arab knows this and his placid acceptance of Jewish rule is not an indication that he is happy and has made his peace with the situation. It simply means that five years is a very, very short time in the Middle East; that the Arabs are making a little money now; that a generation of young Arab intellectuals who place nationalism and ideals over that money has not yet fully ripened; and that we face a terrible Northern Ireland-type confrontation in the years to come. And on the Arab side will be ranged thousands of Jews who will back the Arabs because Moshe Dayan ? in his short-sighted cleverness ? chose not to assert Jewish rights immediately. What a difference it would have made had Israel ? immediately after the June, 1967 War ? when the while world stood solidly behind her, knowing that she had almost gone under and miraculously survive, declared: All this land is ours, historically; it is Jewish from the times of the Bible; it is officially ours and it will never be returned. How much greater the moral and legal hold than the present sly, diplomatic game! But we did not do it. We did not and we did not say to the world: Israel is a Jewish State, the home of the Jewish people where Jewish sovereignty reigns and where Arabs can live as individuals but as a permanent demographic and cultural minority. And this is why the JDL wants a mezuza on Shaar Sh?chem. Not because there are not other things that are as important or more so. But, because the reason for the lack of a mezuza is the underlying mistake of Israeli policy: We do not want to alienate the Arabs, we do not want to declare blatant Jewish sovereignty over a gate that is in a totally Arab part of the city. We do not want to affix a mezuza and Jewish sovereignty ? both! And that is the heart of the JDL intention. Not only the affixing and the stamping of a mezuza, but a fixing and stamping of the word *?Jewish?* on the city of Jerusalem. Jerusalem is not an Arab-Jewish city. It is a city where Jews and Arabs live, but the city is Jewish, the sovereignty is Jewish and the Arabs live there by individual rights as opposed to the Jewish right of peoplehood there. For this, and in order to save Israel from the short-sightedness of its leaders it is worthwhile fighting for the mezuzah on Shaar Sh?chem and even going to jail. At least when the Israeli youth, in years to come, will march for Arab rights and say to Dayan: But you yourself never asserted Jewish rights and thereby recognized the Arab ones ? we can say: True, but we fought this from the beginning, we wanted to tell you the, that this city and this country are *JEWISH* and not shared and we even were willing to go to jail for the mezuza on Shaar Sh?chem and the settlement in the city of Sh?chem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Margie --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Yerushalayim, in Yerushalyim (from the proud abba) To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 5:20 PM ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090525/c12cd9b3/attachment.html From chattertonw at bellsouth.net Mon May 25 17:41:34 2009 From: chattertonw at bellsouth.net (W Glenn Chatterton) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] hebrew language question request for help Message-ID: <768721.73164.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Stephen, ? Indeed, the incredible level of passion YHVH expresses here toward His loved ones is awe inspiring... and humbling, especially when I reflect on what too often lingers in my inner self... ? Called by name... to be called at all is an incalculable gift, but to be called by name... out of the billions who have lived and breathed, for the G-d of all creation to call my name... priceless! ? I also note how YHVH promises to be with WHEN (not IF) we are in the very midst of dire straits - floods, fires... and how He saves us with the declaration that He is OUR G-D... ? As for the redemption, well... I have been studying this concept for some time... He gave whole nations for us... to redeem us... so very humbling... ? Just a few thoughts, ? Glenn --- On Mon, 5/25/09, stephen wrote: From: stephen Subject: [Dialogue] hebrew language question request for help To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 12:13 PM I have been meditating on Isaiah 43:1-4 for a week, and was wondering if anyone might have some helpful information on the original language as it relates to these verses.? Any help would be dearly appreciated. 1But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine. .... the I have called thee by thy name .... especially has been sticking with me... along with thou art mine 2When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. 3For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. 4Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee ...... the word precious..... and the phrase and I have loved thee The whole four verses actually, I am highlighting what really causes me to cry? upon reflection of things not mentioned.... and would appreciate any help with understanding. I remember the depth of what James Tabor shared once on the phrase "Freind of G-d" in relation to Abraham.. that stuck with me in that same sense of a preciousness of the Word of G-d. Stephen _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090525/400597bb/attachment.html From bkgivin at verizon.net Mon May 25 19:50:37 2009 From: bkgivin at verizon.net (Betty K Givin) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:50:37 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] From new moon to new moon... In-Reply-To: <4BFA8634-5E11-4DA8-ADC5-870676930CCD@earthlink.net> References: <4BFA8634-5E11-4DA8-ADC5-870676930CCD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9539E388C8474F6DBAD9671C0A6AD71D@bettylaptop> Yes, James, can't believe a whole month has gone by since we gathered in Charlotte...out time that weekend was indeed special and there does seem to be a new wave/waves reaching out in many directions and many ways...May HaShem continue to go before you in all of the things that you do in His Name...and may He go before all of us... The coming Men's Retreat this Shavuot is just one of the things...it sounds very exciting...I am happy for all of you that will be gathering together...so glad Web and his group are going, HaShem willing...hope and pray it will work out for Ross and some of his SWW guys to make it there as well! I would love to be a little mouse hiding somewhere to witness all the excitement and listen in on some of the great Biblical discussions that will be taking place! My love to you...and to all...Happy Rosh Chodesh! Elisheva/Betty -----Original Message----- From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of James Tabor Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:09 PM To: Dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] From new moon to new moon... I was just thinking today that it has been a month, as in "moon," since so many of us gathered in Charlotte for the United Israel meeting the weekend of April 24th, while others who could not come were able to join us over the Internet. So much has happened over the past weeks in my own life, it has literally been a rush, even a whirl-- but all the while I have carried with me the thoughts, feelings, memories, and spirit I experienced with those of you who could be there. I just wanted to say something about this on this Memorial Day weekend. I keep thinking some things are fundamentally different in our group and associations and the waves are reaching out in many ways. Thanking of you all! Shalom, James P.S. If any of you getting this are not on the Roots of Faith Dialogue e-mail list you can easily join at http://www.rootsoffaith.org/About_Dialogue.htm _______________________________________________ From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Mon May 25 20:34:56 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:34:56 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Digging Mt Zion in 2009 References: <3EAF1D99-28B2-454C-A2A7-5ADFDD36E246@uncc.edu> Message-ID: <134A6BDB-ECA3-4A2C-860A-D89062CE8F31@earthlink.net> I just sent the message below out to about 1000 people and I will try to get it out to another 1000 tomorrow. I typed in the names myself and it took me all day. I am exhausted. Some of you might have already gotten this although I did not include everyone on the Dialogue list. BTW, the SC group that many of us met in Charlotte is sending two of their college age kids to dig with us! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I am sending this message to friends, associates, students, colleagues, acquaintances, relatives, readers of my books and blogs, and anyone else I can think of. It is not, however, a "broadcast" e- mail taken from a distribution list. I typed in each address/name individually. Just three weeks from now we begin our archaeological excavation at Mt. Zion in Jerusalem (June 14-July 10). As I explain below, I should really be in a panic, as co-director of the dig, and the one primarily responsible for its operational health. Instead I am quite confident and upbeat. Let me explain. UNC Charlotte is the only American university with a license to conduct an archaeological dig in Jerusalem. Nothing like this has been permitted now for over 30 years. The location of our dig site is as amazing as it is historic. Even though it is just outside the present 15th century Turkish Wall, in the time of Jesus, it was precisely at the center of Roman/Herodian Jerusalem. In other words we are poised over the heart of the ancient city. You can enter our main Web site and find maps, a Google Earth shot, history, photos, and full descriptions of our project, including video presentations at http://digmountzion.com 2009 is our third season and we are poised just above well preserved ruins from the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Our intention is to enter these levels and areas this coming season. The potential results of this dig are extraordinary, both immediate and longer term. We are uncovering ancient Jerusalem in a manner that will preserve all the levels of material culture--Turkish, Islamic, Crusader, Byzantine, Roman, and ancient Jewish--something you will see no other place in the Old City of Jerusalem. Our 2009 license from the Israel Antiquities Authority is in hand and we have a diverse international team of 50 volunteers joining us, all of whom have sacrificed to pay their own expenses, as well as a top- notch archaeological staff led by Dr. Shimon Gibson. Our challenge is funding our operational costs. The state of North Carolina has frozen all spending due to budget deficits, so we have been told there is no state money at all for the Mt Zion dig. Last year we were allotted $30,000 in state funds as a base budget. Most of the dozen or so donors who have supported us in the past with larger gifts ( $1000-$5000), have told us they are holding back on their giving this year due to the recession. The absolute bare minimum we need to run this excavation is $90,000, and that does not include anything for post-excavation work or conservation. I have been working incessantly for months on the fund raising, just as the recession got deeper, and right now we are short about $50,000--with the dig beginning June 14! So, how does one fund an archaeological excavation in a serious recession--with just three weeks to go? When programs and projects are being cancelled or cut back everywhere how can we expect to be able to meet our funding needs? There is a fine line between "faith" and "foolishness," but I do have faith that there is way we can do this. A week ago I initiated a $50,000 fund drive on the Web, taking a page from the Obama campaign. Some of you have already joined us and you can go to http://digmountzion.com/information, and see our little "Pitch In" logo to see how we are doing. There is clearly great strength in numbers and if we can get a few thousand people giving more modest amounts ($15, $25, $50, $75, $100, or more) we definitely can meet our minimum operational expenses and then some. You can make a secure donation on-line instantly by using a Paypal account or a credit or debit card. It is not necessary to open a Paypal account to use this service and there are no hidden fees involved. If you prefer to write a check you should make it to The Foundation for Biblical Archaeology and mark it "Mt Zion 2009," mailing it to TFBA, 2659 Freedom Parkway, Suite 307, Cummings, GA 30041. All contributions are tax deductible and you will promptly receive a receipt by mail. TFBA does not take any overhead to act as our vendor in this way, for which we are very grateful. That means 100% of what is given goes directly to our excavation costs. Please go to the Web site and "Pitch In" at whatever level you find appropriate. Let's together make that graph bar rise to the top! As you give in this way you will have the satisfaction that you have participated in a little bit of history, in uncovering the hidden past of ancient Jerusalem. If you spend a bit of time browsing our Web site and learning more about this dig I think you will be hooked. There is no other effort quite like this, and I am convinced that its outcome and results are truly going to turn out to be historic. Also, please pass on this message to as many people as you deem might be interested. I have also attached a flyer. For the Mt Zion Project! James Tabor P.S. It is not too late to join our dig! We have extended the deadline for volunteers to June 1st, as we still have some slots open. If you are interested let me know. Prof. James D. Tabor Chair, Dept. of Religious Studies UNC Charlotte Charlotte, NC 28223 704-687-2783 (Direct office line) 704-687-3003 (FAX) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090525/92ca4f8d/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Hanoch Young Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Yerushalayim, in Yerushalyim (from the proud abba) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:20:28 -0400 Size: 4158 Url: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/4abefd72/attachment.eml From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Tue May 26 05:57:09 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 06:57:09 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Digging Mt Zion in 2009 In-Reply-To: <134A6BDB-ECA3-4A2C-860A-D89062CE8F31@earthlink.net> References: <3EAF1D99-28B2-454C-A2A7-5ADFDD36E246@uncc.edu> <134A6BDB-ECA3-4A2C-860A-D89062CE8F31@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <02F7ED44-F91B-4CCC-B772-27671B36D38F@earthlink.net> I am most pleased to add that Hanoch's very own Ayala (remember that recent picture!) is also going to dig with us this summer. Her registration and official paperwork just came through this morning! So, looks like our little band is even more directly connected to the Mt Zion project. This is all quite amazing. Ayala plans to study archaeology at Hebrew University. This is only the beginning and who could imagine all that might come of her involvement? James On May 25, 2009, at 9:34 PM, James Tabor wrote: > I just sent the message below out to about 1000 people and I will > try to get it out to another 1000 tomorrow. I typed in the names > myself and it took me all day. I am exhausted. Some of you might > have already gotten this although I did not include everyone on the > Dialogue list. BTW, the SC group that many of us met in Charlotte > is sending two of their college age kids to dig with us! > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > I am sending this message to friends, associates, students, > colleagues, acquaintances, relatives, readers of my books and blogs, > and anyone else I can think of. It is not, however, a "broadcast" e- > mail taken from a distribution list. I typed in each address/name > individually. > > Just three weeks from now we begin our archaeological excavation at > Mt. Zion in Jerusalem (June 14-July 10). As I explain below, I > should really be in a panic, as co-director of the dig, and the one > primarily responsible for its operational health. Instead I am quite > confident and upbeat. Let me explain. > > UNC Charlotte is the only American university with a license to > conduct an archaeological dig in Jerusalem. Nothing like this has > been permitted now for over 30 years. The location of our dig site > is as amazing as it is historic. Even though it is just outside the > present 15th century Turkish Wall, in the time of Jesus, it was > precisely at the center of Roman/Herodian Jerusalem. In other words > we are poised over the heart of the ancient city. > > You can enter our main Web site and find maps, a Google Earth shot, > history, photos, and full descriptions of our project, including > video presentations at http://digmountzion.com > > 2009 is our third season and we are poised just above well preserved > ruins from the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Our > intention is to enter these levels and areas this coming season. The > potential results of this dig are extraordinary, both immediate and > longer term. We are uncovering ancient Jerusalem in a manner that > will preserve all the levels of material culture--Turkish, Islamic, > Crusader, Byzantine, Roman, and ancient Jewish--something you will > see no other place in the Old City of Jerusalem. > > Our 2009 license from the Israel Antiquities Authority is in hand > and we have a diverse international team of 50 volunteers joining > us, all of whom have sacrificed to pay their own expenses, as well > as a top-notch archaeological staff led by Dr. Shimon Gibson. Our > challenge is funding our operational costs. > > The state of North Carolina has frozen all spending due to budget > deficits, so we have been told there is no state money at all for > the Mt Zion dig. Last year we were allotted $30,000 in state funds > as a base budget. Most of the dozen or so donors who have supported > us in the past with larger gifts ( $1000-$5000), have told us they > are holding back on their giving this year due to the recession. The > absolute bare minimum we need to run this excavation is $90,000, and > that does not include anything for post-excavation work or > conservation. I have been working incessantly for months on the fund > raising, just as the recession got deeper, and right now we are > short about $50,000--with the dig beginning June 14! > > So, how does one fund an archaeological excavation in a serious > recession--with just three weeks to go? When programs and projects > are being cancelled or cut back everywhere how can we expect to be > able to meet our funding needs? There is a fine line between "faith" > and "foolishness," but I do have faith that there is way we can do > this. > > A week ago I initiated a $50,000 fund drive on the Web, taking a > page from the Obama campaign. Some of you have already joined us and > you can go to http://digmountzion.com/information, and see our > little "Pitch In" logo to see how we are doing. There is clearly > great strength in numbers and if we can get a few thousand people > giving more modest amounts ($15, $25, $50, $75, $100, or more) we > definitely can meet our minimum operational expenses and then some. > > You can make a secure donation on-line instantly by using a Paypal > account or a credit or debit card. It is not necessary to open a > Paypal account to use this service and there are no hidden fees > involved. If you prefer to write a check you should make it to The > Foundation for Biblical Archaeology and mark it "Mt Zion 2009," > mailing it to TFBA, 2659 Freedom Parkway, Suite 307, Cummings, GA > 30041. All contributions are tax deductible and you will promptly > receive a receipt by mail. TFBA does not take any overhead to act as > our vendor in this way, for which we are very grateful. That means > 100% of what is given goes directly to our excavation costs. > > Please go to the Web site and "Pitch In" at whatever level you find > appropriate. Let's together make that graph bar rise to the top! As > you give in this way you will have the satisfaction that you have > participated in a little bit of history, in uncovering the hidden > past of ancient Jerusalem. If you spend a bit of time browsing our > Web site and learning more about this dig I think you will be > hooked. There is no other effort quite like this, and I am convinced > that its outcome and results are truly going to turn out to be > historic. > > Also, please pass on this message to as many people as you deem > might be interested. I have also attached a flyer. > > For the Mt Zion Project! > > James Tabor > > P.S. It is not too late to join our dig! We have extended the > deadline for volunteers to June 1st, as we still have some slots > open. If you are interested let me know. > > > > > > Prof. James D. Tabor > Chair, Dept. of Religious Studies > UNC Charlotte > Charlotte, NC 28223 > 704-687-2783 (Direct office line) > 704-687-3003 (FAX) > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/5d020c07/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Tue May 26 06:20:24 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:20:24 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Mt Zion Web Drive--Hurray! Message-ID: That's such exciting news James! I can't wait to follow updates from the dig as things progress - HaShem willing. I agree with your thoughts about the group - keep up the good work James, my thoughts and prayers are with everyone on Dialogue - You are all so special, and I consider you all family. Wishing we were all closer and able to meet each week - or all in Israel! Xx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/e4cc90be/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Tue May 26 06:58:16 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:58:16 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] Yom Yerushalayim, in Yerushalyim (from the proud abba)] In-Reply-To: <4A1BC4F4.40600@westnet.com.au> References: <4A1BC4F4.40600@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <855590370905260458r2ddb93f5ha65065a119645e35@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Margie, Pat & Joe, That's very sweet....yeah, when I saw that pick (on Facebook, of course..) I felt it captured both her essence, as well as that of her feelings of being a Yerushalmi - a citizen of Jerusalem, (albiet, a new one) on Yom Yerushalayim. And it is, as if she's expecting the Geula (final redemption) to come, right over the next hill, at any moment. Now to Joe's points (which are always so eloquent, it makes me want him to be my ghost-writer for the book I'm working on!), Not sure it's the Vegemite, but maybe it comes from having Aussie roommate's. When I first asked her if they were having any trouble understanding her accent (which is far less pronounced then mine, since she never grew up in the urban sludge of the Bronx, like I did), she told me the following: "No, Ayala, it's okay - we watch American police dramas, so we're familiar with the lingo!" Thank G-d for television, right? I know Kyra was also in Yerushalayim as well, I see if any of her pics are on Facebook (they never seem to get to ME first, LOL). They BOTH so love being Israeli....and it's only slightly more then 90 days for me to join them, G-d willing. B'Ahavat HaMoledet (with love of the homeland), * Hanoch* On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:31 AM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > *Shalom Hanoch, > > Ayala was always beautiful but this photo shows another aspect of Ayala. > She is absolutely glowing and dripping in the spirit of Eretz ha Chodesh. > The sweet air of the sanctity of the moment and place is captured in this > photo. > > Call me a dreamer, but as she lifts up the banner / nes / miracle of > Yisrael , Ayala is looking towards Shamayim . > It is a prophetic kodak moment. One that is about to be fully realized..... > Geulah !!!! > > Proud Abba, thank you for posting this remarkably uplifting photo. > Please send us a photo of Kyra. I am sure she is glowing also. > Maybe it is the vegemite ? > > b'Ahavat Yehudah v'Yisrael > JOE. > * > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Hanoch Young > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:20:28 -0400 > Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Yerushalayim, in Yerushalyim (from the proud abba) > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/bad84a23/attachment.html From stephen at 777jesusislord.com Tue May 26 08:23:15 2009 From: stephen at 777jesusislord.com (stephen) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:23:15 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] hebrew language question request for help (stephen) References: <4A1B4778.D4E6C.7A53@pop.directnic.com> Message-ID: <9112205DD12946B99E63234725CF8FCA@SEWVAC011> Glenn, Thank-you for your reflections on the subject. I especially liked your observation about the humbling part, and yes, in relation to that inner self. Stephen Indeed, the incredible level of passion YHVH expresses here toward His loved ones is awe inspiring... and humbling, especially when I reflect on what too often lingers in my inner self... Called by name... to be called at all is an incalculable gift, but to be called by name... out of the billions who have lived and breathed, for the G-d of all creation to call my name... priceless! I also note how YHVH promises to be with WHEN (not IF) we are in the very midst of dire straits - floods, fires... and how He saves us with the declaration that He is OUR G-D... As for the redemption, well... I have been studying this concept for some time... He gave whole nations for us... to redeem us... so very humbling... Just a few thoughts, Glenn --- On Mon, 5/25/09, stephen wrote: From: stephen Subject: [Dialogue] hebrew language question request for help To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 12:13 PM I have been meditating on Isaiah 43:1-4 for a week, and was wondering if anyone might have some helpful information on the original language as it relates to these verses. Any help would be dearly appreciated. 1But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine. .... the I have called thee by thy name .... especially has been sticking with me... along with thou art mine 2When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. 3For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. 4Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee ...... the word precious..... and the phrase and I have loved thee The whole four verses actually, I am highlighting what really causes me to cry upon reflection of things not mentioned.... and would appreciate any help with understanding. I remember the depth of what James Tabor shared once on the phrase "Freind of G-d" in relation to Abraham.. that stuck with me in that same sense of a preciousness of the Word of G-d. Stephen From youngbarzel at gmail.com Tue May 26 12:19:18 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:19:18 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] The 'PA' can 'GET IT,' but Israel does not... Message-ID: <855590370905261019s4c0469b7l76c0671d93ceb0aa@mail.gmail.com> Isn't this AMAZING, the Arab *"get it,"* and the Jews don't?!?! * Hanoch* * Palestinian envoy sees Israel?s collapse under two states May 25, 2009 JERUSALEM (JTA) -- The two-state solution will cause the collapse of Israel, the Palestinian Authority ambassador to Lebanon said in an interview. "With the two-state solution, in my opinion, Israel will collapse because if they get out of Jerusalem, what will become of all the talk about the Promised Land and the Chosen People?" Abbas Zaki told Lebanon's ANB TV. "What will become of all the sacrifices they made -- just to be told to leave? "They consider Jerusalem to have a spiritual status. The Jews consider Judea and Samaria to be their historic dream. If the Jews leave those places, the Zionist idea will begin to collapse. It will regress of its own accord. Then we will move forward," he said in the May 7 interview, which was translated by MEMRI-The Middle East Media Research Institute. "What is needed is a settlement, not a hudna [truce]," he said. "After 45 years of struggle, we have the right to reach a conclusion to this conflict rather than extending the hudna, enabling Israel to expand on a daily basis." * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/d5efb5ee/attachment.html From rlibby03 at maine.rr.com Tue May 26 16:27:51 2009 From: rlibby03 at maine.rr.com (Dick L) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:27:51 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Digging Mt Zion in 2009 In-Reply-To: <134A6BDB-ECA3-4A2C-860A-D89062CE8F31@earthlink.net> References: <3EAF1D99-28B2-454C-A2A7-5ADFDD36E246@uncc.edu> <134A6BDB-ECA3-4A2C-860A-D89062CE8F31@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6D6DA244B6FF4CED9F287598DEBC8460@dickLPC> James: You never mentioned what it costs for a volunteer to go on the dig?????? Or I never saw it?? Dick L ----- Original Message ----- From: James Tabor To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: [Dialogue] Digging Mt Zion in 2009 I just sent the message below out to about 1000 people and I will try to get it out to another 1000 tomorrow. I typed in the names myself and it took me all day. I am exhausted. Some of you might have already gotten this although I did not include everyone on the Dialogue list. BTW, the SC group that many of us met in Charlotte is sending two of their college age kids to dig with us! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I am sending this message to friends, associates, students, colleagues, acquaintances, relatives, readers of my books and blogs, and anyone else I can think of. It is not, however, a "broadcast" e-mail taken from a distribution list. I typed in each address/name individually. Just three weeks from now we begin our archaeological excavation at Mt. Zion in Jerusalem (June 14-July 10). As I explain below, I should really be in a panic, as co-director of the dig, and the one primarily responsible for its operational health. Instead I am quite confident and upbeat. Let me explain. UNC Charlotte is the only American university with a license to conduct an archaeological dig in Jerusalem. Nothing like this has been permitted now for over 30 years. The location of our dig site is as amazing as it is historic. Even though it is just outside the present 15th century Turkish Wall, in the time of Jesus, it was precisely at the center of Roman/Herodian Jerusalem. In other words we are poised over the heart of the ancient city. You can enter our main Web site and find maps, a Google Earth shot, history, photos, and full descriptions of our project, including video presentations at http://digmountzion.com 2009 is our third season and we are poised just above well preserved ruins from the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Our intention is to enter these levels and areas this coming season. The potential results of this dig are extraordinary, both immediate and longer term. We are uncovering ancient Jerusalem in a manner that will preserve all the levels of material culture--Turkish, Islamic, Crusader, Byzantine, Roman, and ancient Jewish--something you will see no other place in the Old City of Jerusalem. Our 2009 license from the Israel Antiquities Authority is in hand and we have a diverse international team of 50 volunteers joining us, all of whom have sacrificed to pay their own expenses, as well as a top-notch archaeological staff led by Dr. Shimon Gibson. Our challenge is funding our operational costs. The state of North Carolina has frozen all spending due to budget deficits, so we have been told there is no state money at all for the Mt Zion dig. Last year we were allotted $30,000 in state funds as a base budget. Most of the dozen or so donors who have supported us in the past with larger gifts ( $1000-$5000), have told us they are holding back on their giving this year due to the recession. The absolute bare minimum we need to run this excavation is $90,000, and that does not include anything for post-excavation work or conservation. I have been working incessantly for months on the fund raising, just as the recession got deeper, and right now we are short about $50,000--with the dig beginning June 14! So, how does one fund an archaeological excavation in a serious recession--with just three weeks to go? When programs and projects are being cancelled or cut back everywhere how can we expect to be able to meet our funding needs? There is a fine line between "faith" and "foolishness," but I do have faith that there is way we can do this. A week ago I initiated a $50,000 fund drive on the Web, taking a page from the Obama campaign. Some of you have already joined us and you can go to http://digmountzion.com/information, and see our little "Pitch In" logo to see how we are doing. There is clearly great strength in numbers and if we can get a few thousand people giving more modest amounts ($15, $25, $50, $75, $100, or more) we definitely can meet our minimum operational expenses and then some. You can make a secure donation on-line instantly by using a Paypal account or a credit or debit card. It is not necessary to open a Paypal account to use this service and there are no hidden fees involved. If you prefer to write a check you should make it to The Foundation for Biblical Archaeology and mark it "Mt Zion 2009," mailing it to TFBA, 2659 Freedom Parkway, Suite 307, Cummings, GA 30041. All contributions are tax deductible and you will promptly receive a receipt by mail. TFBA does not take any overhead to act as our vendor in this way, for which we are very grateful. That means 100% of what is given goes directly to our excavation costs. Please go to the Web site and "Pitch In" at whatever level you find appropriate. Let's together make that graph bar rise to the top! As you give in this way you will have the satisfaction that you have participated in a little bit of history, in uncovering the hidden past of ancient Jerusalem. If you spend a bit of time browsing our Web site and learning more about this dig I think you will be hooked. There is no other effort quite like this, and I am convinced that its outcome and results are truly going to turn out to be historic. Also, please pass on this message to as many people as you deem might be interested. I have also attached a flyer. For the Mt Zion Project! James Tabor P.S. It is not too late to join our dig! We have extended the deadline for volunteers to June 1st, as we still have some slots open. If you are interested let me know. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prof. James D. Tabor Chair, Dept. of Religious Studies UNC Charlotte Charlotte, NC 28223 704-687-2783 (Direct office line) 704-687-3003 (FAX) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I just sent the message below out to about 1000 people and I will try to get it out to another 1000 tomorrow. I typed in the names myself and it took me all day. I am exhausted. Some of you might have already gotten this although I did not include everyone on the Dialogue list. BTW, the SC group that many of us met in Charlotte is sending two of their college age kids to dig with us! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I am sending this message to friends, associates, students, colleagues, acquaintances, relatives, readers of my books and blogs, and anyone else I can think of. It is not, however, a "broadcast" e- mail taken from a distribution list. I typed in each address/name individually. Just three weeks from now we begin our archaeological excavation at Mt. Zion in Jerusalem (June 14-July 10). As I explain below, I should really be in a panic, as co-director of the dig, and the one primarily responsible for its operational health. Instead I am quite confident and upbeat. Let me explain. UNC Charlotte is the only American university with a license to conduct an archaeological dig in Jerusalem. Nothing like this has been permitted now for over 30 years. The location of our dig site is as amazing as it is historic. Even though it is just outside the present 15th century Turkish Wall, in the time of Jesus, it was precisely at the center of Roman/Herodian Jerusalem. In other words we are poised over the heart of the ancient city. You can enter our main Web site and find maps, a Google Earth shot, history, photos, and full descriptions of our project, including video presentations at http://digmountzion.com 2009 is our third season and we are poised just above well preserved ruins from the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Our intention is to enter these levels and areas this coming season. The potential results of this dig are extraordinary, both immediate and longer term. We are uncovering ancient Jerusalem in a manner that will preserve all the levels of material culture--Turkish, Islamic, Crusader, Byzantine, Roman, and ancient Jewish--something you will see no other place in the Old City of Jerusalem. Our 2009 license from the Israel Antiquities Authority is in hand and we have a diverse international team of 50 volunteers joining us, all of whom have sacrificed to pay their own expenses, as well as a top- notch archaeological staff led by Dr. Shimon Gibson. Our challenge is funding our operational costs. The state of North Carolina has frozen all spending due to budget deficits, so we have been told there is no state money at all for the Mt Zion dig. Last year we were allotted $30,000 in state funds as a base budget. Most of the dozen or so donors who have supported us in the past with larger gifts ( $1000-$5000), have told us they are holding back on their giving this year due to the recession. The absolute bare minimum we need to run this excavation is $90,000, and that does not include anything for post-excavation work or conservation. I have been working incessantly for months on the fund raising, just as the recession got deeper, and right now we are short about $50,000--with the dig beginning June 14! So, how does one fund an archaeological excavation in a serious recession--with just three weeks to go? When programs and projects are being cancelled or cut back everywhere how can we expect to be able to meet our funding needs? There is a fine line between "faith" and "foolishness," but I do have faith that there is way we can do this. A week ago I initiated a $50,000 fund drive on the Web, taking a page from the Obama campaign. Some of you have already joined us and you can go to http://digmountzion.com/information, and see our little "Pitch In" logo to see how we are doing. There is clearly great strength in numbers and if we can get a few thousand people giving more modest amounts ($15, $25, $50, $75, $100, or more) we definitely can meet our minimum operational expenses and then some. You can make a secure donation on-line instantly by using a Paypal account or a credit or debit card. It is not necessary to open a Paypal account to use this service and there are no hidden fees involved. If you prefer to write a check you should make it to The Foundation for Biblical Archaeology and mark it "Mt Zion 2009," mailing it to TFBA, 2659 Freedom Parkway, Suite 307, Cummings, GA 30041. All contributions are tax deductible and you will promptly receive a receipt by mail. TFBA does not take any overhead to act as our vendor in this way, for which we are very grateful. That means 100% of what is given goes directly to our excavation costs. Please go to the Web site and "Pitch In" at whatever level you find appropriate. Let's together make that graph bar rise to the top! As you give in this way you will have the satisfaction that you have participated in a little bit of history, in uncovering the hidden past of ancient Jerusalem. If you spend a bit of time browsing our Web site and learning more about this dig I think you will be hooked. There is no other effort quite like this, and I am convinced that its outcome and results are truly going to turn out to be historic. Also, please pass on this message to as many people as you deem might be interested. I have also attached a flyer. For the Mt Zion Project! James Tabor P.S. It is not too late to join our dig! We have extended the deadline for volunteers to June 1st, as we still have some slots open. If you are interested let me know. Prof. James D. Tabor Chair, Dept. of Religious Studies UNC Charlotte Charlotte, NC 28223 704-687-2783 (Direct office line) 704-687-3003 (FAX) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: 05/26/09 08:53:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/56748146/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Tue May 26 17:50:50 2009 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:50:50 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] Yom Yerushalayim, in Yerushalyim (from the proud abba)] In-Reply-To: <855590370905260458r2ddb93f5ha65065a119645e35@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A1BC4F4.40600@westnet.com.au> <855590370905260458r2ddb93f5ha65065a119645e35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0905261550y6a63c711n4ba5b33f2b2bc4ab@mail.gmail.com> Hanoch, I can't wait to see pictures of the three of you together in Israel...just in time for the High Holy Days! G-d willing. Baruch HaShem! Kim On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Hanoch Young wrote: > Thanks Margie, Pat & Joe, > > That's very sweet....yeah, when I saw that pick (on Facebook, of > course..) I felt it captured both her essence, as well as that of her > feelings of being a Yerushalmi - a citizen of Jerusalem, (albiet, a new one) > on Yom Yerushalayim. And it is, as if she's expecting the Geula (final > redemption) to come, right over the next hill, at any moment. > > Now to Joe's points (which are always so eloquent, it makes me want him > to be my ghost-writer for the book I'm working on!), Not sure it's the > Vegemite, but maybe it comes from having Aussie roommate's. When I first > asked her if they were having any trouble understanding her accent (which is > far less pronounced then mine, since she never grew up in the urban sludge > of the Bronx, like I did), she told me the following: > > "No, Ayala, it's okay - we watch American police dramas, so we're > familiar with the lingo!" Thank G-d for television, right? > > I know Kyra was also in Yerushalayim as well, I see if any of her pics > are on Facebook (they never seem to get to ME first, LOL). > > They BOTH so love being Israeli....and it's only slightly more then 90 > days for me to join them, G-d willing. > > B'Ahavat HaMoledet (with love of the homeland), > > * Hanoch* > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:31 AM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > >> *Shalom Hanoch, >> >> Ayala was always beautiful but this photo shows another aspect of Ayala. >> She is absolutely glowing and dripping in the spirit of Eretz ha Chodesh. >> The sweet air of the sanctity of the moment and place is captured in this >> photo. >> >> Call me a dreamer, but as she lifts up the banner / nes / miracle of >> Yisrael , Ayala is looking towards Shamayim . >> It is a prophetic kodak moment. One that is about to be fully >> realized..... Geulah !!!! >> >> Proud Abba, thank you for posting this remarkably uplifting photo. >> Please send us a photo of Kyra. I am sure she is glowing also. >> Maybe it is the vegemite ? >> >> b'Ahavat Yehudah v'Yisrael >> JOE. >> * >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Hanoch Young >> To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:20:28 -0400 >> Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Yerushalayim, in Yerushalyim (from the proud abba) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/60ca81a4/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Tue May 26 17:59:57 2009 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:59:57 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and thanks Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0905261559j18cc3e00q1d8696910c8fae94@mail.gmail.com> Thank you all for your continued prayers, inspirational words, and advice. Baruch HaShem! This is an amazing group. The situation with my children is still difficult, but it no longer seems overwhelming. I have faith that HaShem will see me through this. The road on this Ancient Path is like the road to Jerusalem...an uphill hill climb with each step bringing us to a higher level. My prayers are with you all. May HaShem guide your footsteps. Shalom, Kim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/04d7019f/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Tue May 26 18:00:07 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:00:07 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: [Dialogue] Yom Yerushalayim, in Yerushalyim (from the proud abba)] In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0905261550y6a63c711n4ba5b33f2b2bc4ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A1BC4F4.40600@westnet.com.au> <855590370905260458r2ddb93f5ha65065a119645e35@mail.gmail.com> <1c8dbb6e0905261550y6a63c711n4ba5b33f2b2bc4ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <855590370905261600o2078e87ev4ce42566829c839d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Kim, Thanks for the sweet thoughts...but it's kind of like James said about his first visit to Israel. He noticed all these really good looking young men and women around, with less then average looking parents! :-) Here's another case in point!! But after I got up off the tarmac, kissing the ground of Eretz Yisrael, I will have someone take a pic of the three of us, I promise! Hope all is well - be strong and have courage! * Hanoch * On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:50 PM, kim alvarado wrote: > Hanoch, > I can't wait to see pictures of the three of you together in Israel...just > in time for the High Holy Days! G-d willing. Baruch HaShem! > > Kim > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Hanoch Young wrote: > >> Thanks Margie, Pat & Joe, >> >> That's very sweet....yeah, when I saw that pick (on Facebook, of >> course..) I felt it captured both her essence, as well as that of her >> feelings of being a Yerushalmi - a citizen of Jerusalem, (albiet, a new one) >> on Yom Yerushalayim. And it is, as if she's expecting the Geula (final >> redemption) to come, right over the next hill, at any moment. >> >> Now to Joe's points (which are always so eloquent, it makes me want >> him to be my ghost-writer for the book I'm working on!), Not sure it's the >> Vegemite, but maybe it comes from having Aussie roommate's. When I first >> asked her if they were having any trouble understanding her accent (which is >> far less pronounced then mine, since she never grew up in the urban sludge >> of the Bronx, like I did), she told me the following: >> >> "No, Ayala, it's okay - we watch American police dramas, so we're >> familiar with the lingo!" Thank G-d for television, right? >> >> I know Kyra was also in Yerushalayim as well, I see if any of her pics >> are on Facebook (they never seem to get to ME first, LOL). >> >> They BOTH so love being Israeli....and it's only slightly more then 90 >> days for me to join them, G-d willing. >> >> B'Ahavat HaMoledet (with love of the homeland), >> >> * Hanoch* >> >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:31 AM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: >> >>> *Shalom Hanoch, >>> >>> Ayala was always beautiful but this photo shows another aspect of Ayala. >>> She is absolutely glowing and dripping in the spirit of Eretz ha Chodesh. >>> The sweet air of the sanctity of the moment and place is captured in this >>> photo. >>> >>> Call me a dreamer, but as she lifts up the banner / nes / miracle of >>> Yisrael , Ayala is looking towards Shamayim . >>> It is a prophetic kodak moment. One that is about to be fully >>> realized..... Geulah !!!! >>> >>> Proud Abba, thank you for posting this remarkably uplifting photo. >>> Please send us a photo of Kyra. I am sure she is glowing also. >>> Maybe it is the vegemite ? >>> >>> b'Ahavat Yehudah v'Yisrael >>> JOE. >>> * >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Hanoch Young >>> To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org >>> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:20:28 -0400 >>> Subject: [Dialogue] Yom Yerushalayim, in Yerushalyim (from the proud >>> abba) >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/1a365e67/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Tue May 26 18:02:12 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:02:12 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] prayer request and thanks In-Reply-To: <1c8dbb6e0905261559j18cc3e00q1d8696910c8fae94@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c8dbb6e0905261559j18cc3e00q1d8696910c8fae94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <855590370905261602hba4bc6bi98706e09c3f6f451@mail.gmail.com> Hey Kim, Well, my prayers remain with you, as well as every good vibe I con conjure up. Those prayers on your behalf will continue, and just think - from Israel it will only be a 'local call!' :-) :-) * Hanoch * On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:59 PM, kim alvarado wrote: > Thank you all for your continued prayers, inspirational words, and advice. > Baruch HaShem! This is an amazing group. > The situation with my children is still difficult, but it no longer seems > overwhelming. I have faith that HaShem will see me through this. The road > on this Ancient Path is like the road to Jerusalem...an uphill hill climb > with each step bringing us to a higher level. My prayers are with you all. > May HaShem guide your footsteps. > > Shalom, > Kim > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/203d0a09/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Tue May 26 18:06:50 2009 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:06:50 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: <4CB4328DB4FC4B12BF774FC4113B7887@MarvinLT> References: <4CB4328DB4FC4B12BF774FC4113B7887@MarvinLT> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0905261606y1a295771g1e0df59fbc374d71@mail.gmail.com> Marvin, Very good advice, and I will be praying for you and for your mother. Kim On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 8:13 PM, mhyde wrote: > > > Thanks to all for your thoughtful comments and prayers. I?m just starting > this journey and I will need all the prayers I can get. One thing I would > encourage all that still have their parents to take the time to sit and talk > and ask questions about them their life?s and anything else that comes to > mind. I?m getting to do this some with my wife?s father who is staying with > us for a few more weeks. The previous generations have so much to share > in the way of wonderful stories and timeless wisdom. Even if your parents > are young seek out your grandparents or even aged uncles, aunts and > friends. I have always been one who like the older people around me and > their stories and learning form them. But, now with my father gone and my > mother almost to the point where she can really not focus on any time period > in her life, I realize my opportunity is past and I miss it with my parents > and grandparents. > > > > Marvin > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *Catherine Cashmore > *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:53 AM > *To:* roots > *Subject:* [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession > > > > Betty, Marvin, > > > > Your stories about your mothers are so very powerful. They are wonderful > to read - poignant with sadness and love. My heart and prayers are with all > on this list. I am thinking of you all.. Mothers are very special. Thank > you for reminding us of this. Catherine xx > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/e4f07cfc/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Tue May 26 18:10:30 2009 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:10:30 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] ...children, choices and confessions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0905261610v44606c87of54b36d88e94d87a@mail.gmail.com> Diane, A belated welcome from me also. Thank you for the post. Kim On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Diana Stone wrote: > Greetings All, > > Although I do not have had time to follow and take in all the different > dialogue threads, I have noticed a string of threads dealing with, > estrangements between parents and their children, choices and > confessions. I read the following short article written by *Rabbi David > Sears* on Jewish verbal confession practices. I found it quite > interesting and decided to share it with you. > > Question & Answer With Rabbi Dovid Sears - Vidui Devarim > > http://asimplejew.blogspot.com:80/2009/05/question-answer-with-rabbi-dovid-sears.html > > I too have found myself in circumstances that have brought about an > estrangement between myself and my oldest daughter. It is heart > breaking... All this, in context of the times we living in, I cling to > HaShem's promise in the last verse in the book of Malicah, which says, *"before > the coming of the awesome, fearful day of the LORD**...He shall reconcile > parents with children, and children with their parents..." * > ** > May each of merit many blessings, > > Diana > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/04fca912/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Tue May 26 18:33:30 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:33:30 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Sivan..Quote of the Month In-Reply-To: References: <855590370905251418q13fd1ed4n33f0364579b9f133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <855590370905261633v793dc6e1wc97ed10f03e17b78@mail.gmail.com> Shalom Marvin, Well, it's been more then 18 years since the Rav was murdered (by Al Queida, for those that don't know), but I think I can take a good guess at what he would have said: "ABSOLUTELY!" Best regards, * Hanoch * On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:55 PM, mhyde wrote: > Great quote, I wonder if this would apply to all of our enemies > regardless of the degree. Even those from Christianity that just want to > love us to death? > > > > Shalom, > > > > Marvin > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *Hanoch Young > *Sent:* Monday, May 25, 2009 5:19 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* [Dialogue] Sivan..Quote of the Month > > > > For the month of Sivan, may it be full of blessings for Yehuda, Yisrael and > all those who follow the G-d of Avraham, Yitchak & Yaakov. From my teacher, > Of Blessed Memory, Rav Meir Kahane, H"YD (May G-d avenge his blood), who had > such clarity of vision.... > > "It may affect the tender soul of the more spiritually intellectual among > us, but one can never attain either peace or security by 'compromise' with > the bitter enemies who have no intentions of compromising with you"...Rabbi > Meir Kahane > > *Hanoch* > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/54a7e988/attachment.html From mhyde7 at tds.net Tue May 26 18:41:51 2009 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:41:51 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Since Joe asked... In-Reply-To: <855590370905261044m1051672dpc30fff06096c726d@mail.gmail.com> References: <855590370905261044m1051672dpc30fff06096c726d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hanoch, When you get to Israel will you be old enough to drink/ :-).. Do you know the legal age there? marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Hanoch Young Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:45 PM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: [Dialogue] Since Joe asked... Hey Joe - I searched Facebook, and I don't think Kyra's put up any pictures from Yom Yerushalayim. But I did find this one, which I think was from her birthday (May 5th - Cinco de Mayo; and Lag B'Omer on the Hebrew calendar). It's not a great shot of her, and it seems like she's in a Burgers Bar (remember that, Tracy?!?); poor thing is looking like my clone...Not sure if the beer is Foster's, but it seems like a really BIG glass for a mere 21 year old! Oh well... Hanoch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/5f659de9/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Tue May 26 18:47:25 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:47:25 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: <4CB4328DB4FC4B12BF774FC4113B7887@MarvinLT> References: <4CB4328DB4FC4B12BF774FC4113B7887@MarvinLT> Message-ID: <855590370905261647k1375c656kb14d6ac3079445b7@mail.gmail.com> Dear Marvin, I have wanted to write in response to your note, and finally worked up the courage to do so (I guess I'm not such a tough guy after all, huh?). Unfortunately, reading your note kept reminding me of my own dear mom, Of Blessed Memory. She was my rock, my support, my teacher, my coach....she helped me raise my daughters; she was always there for me, no matter what. It's been more then 9 years since she returned her soul to HaShem, and honestly - it's as raw for me, emotionally as if it were yesterday. We DID talk about everything in the last few weeks of her life, trying to cover every topic - from how I should deal with my brother during the mourning period to come, the distribution of her property, etc. But I hate to say this Marvin, but it's never enough....what I would give to have 5 more minutes with her today....just 5 minutes....And we used to speak 2-3 times/day in the years when she first started becoming gravely ill. But we carry on with our memories, which we can, and will - cherish forever. Your advice about speaking to other family members is a good one... During the Shiva (the first 7 days of mourning after the burial), mom's cousin came by, and happened to mention that my mom had a very serious boyfriend (as in, about to get married..) before she met my dad, which I never, ever knew (and mom used to talk to me about EVERYTHING). Whoever this man was, I will never know, other then that he had been a navigator on a B-29, and was Killed in Action in WWII. I'm sorry, I'm babbling on here, as I sob on this keyboard....thanks for sharing as much as you have. It really, really means a lot... * Hanoch* On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:13 PM, mhyde wrote: > > > Thanks to all for your thoughtful comments and prayers. I?m just starting > this journey and I will need all the prayers I can get. One thing I would > encourage all that still have their parents to take the time to sit and talk > and ask questions about them their life?s and anything else that comes to > mind. I?m getting to do this some with my wife?s father who is staying with > us for a few more weeks. The previous generations have so much to share > in the way of wonderful stories and timeless wisdom. Even if your parents > are young seek out your grandparents or even aged uncles, aunts and > friends. I have always been one who like the older people around me and > their stories and learning form them. But, now with my father gone and my > mother almost to the point where she can really not focus on any time period > in her life, I realize my opportunity is past and I miss it with my parents > and grandparents. > > > > Marvin > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *Catherine Cashmore > *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:53 AM > *To:* roots > *Subject:* [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession > > > > Betty, Marvin, > > > > Your stories about your mothers are so very powerful. They are wonderful > to read - poignant with sadness and love. My heart and prayers are with all > on this list. I am thinking of you all.. Mothers are very special. Thank > you for reminding us of this. Catherine xx > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/caf6506e/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Tue May 26 18:50:11 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:50:11 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Since Joe asked... In-Reply-To: References: <855590370905261044m1051672dpc30fff06096c726d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <855590370905261650x3a9c6393h9a49319f9103058d@mail.gmail.com> *LOL *Hey Marvin, Yeah, it's 18 to drink in Israel. 21 in New York, not that it matters...although I've never had a beer yet, not sure I'm gonna start at this point in life, though. :-) * Hanoch * On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:41 PM, mhyde wrote: > Hanoch, > > > > > > When you get to Israel will you be old enough to drink/ J?. Do you > know the legal age there? > > > > marvin > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto: > dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *Hanoch Young > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:45 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* [Dialogue] Since Joe asked... > > > > Hey Joe - > > > > I searched Facebook, and I don't think Kyra's put up any pictures from > Yom Yerushalayim. But I did find this one, which I think was from her > birthday (May 5th - Cinco de Mayo; and Lag B'Omer on the Hebrew calendar). > It's not a great shot of her, and it seems like she's in a Burgers Bar > (remember that, Tracy?!?); poor thing is looking like my clone...Not sure > if the beer is Foster's, but it seems like a really BIG glass for a mere 21 > year old! Oh well... > > *Hanoch* > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/542cddd0/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Tue May 26 19:49:53 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:49:53 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Article: "The Death of Israel" Message-ID: <855590370905261749t63aff52bs427a1837c0de4d46@mail.gmail.com> The Death of IsraelSunday, May 24, 2009 5:31 PM *By:* Dick Morris & Eileen McGann From Caroline Glick, deputy editor and op-ed writer for the Jerusalem Post, comes alarming news. An expert on Arab-Israeli relations with excellent sources deep inside Netanyahu's government, she reports that CIA chief Leon Panetta recently took time out from his day job (feuding with Nancy Pelosi) to travel to Israel to "read the riot act" to the government warning against an attack on Iran. More ominously, Glick reports (likely from sources high up in the Israeli government) that the Obama administration has all but accepted as irreversible and unavoidable fact that Iran will soon develop nuclear weapons. She writes, "...we have learned that the [Obama] administration has made its peace with Iran's nuclear aspirations. Senior administration officials acknowledge as much in off-record briefings. It is true, they say, that Iran may exploit its future talks with the US to run down the clock before they test a nuclear weapon. But, they add, if that happens, the U.S. will simply have to live with a nuclear-armed mullocracy." She goes on to write that the Obama administration is desperate to stop Israel from attacking Iran writing that "as far as the [Obama] administration is concerned, if Israel could just leave Iran's nuclear installations alone, Iran would behave itself." She notes that American officials would regard any harm to American interests that flowed from an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities as Israel's doing, not Iran's. In classic Stockholm Syndrome fashion, the Obama administration is empathizing more with the Iranian leaders who are holding Israel hostage than with the nation that may be wiped off the map if Iran acquires the bomb. Obama's end-of-the-year deadline for Iranian talks aimed at stopping its progress toward nuclear weapons is just window dressing without the threat of military action. As Metternich wrote, "diplomacy without force is like music without instruments." By warning only of possible strengthening of economic sanctions if the talks do not progress, Obama is making an empty threat. The sanctions will likely have no effect because Russia and China will not let the United Nations act as it must if it is to deter Iranian nuclear weapons. All this means is that Israel's life is in danger. If Iran gets the bomb, it will use it to kill six million Jews. No threat of retaliation will make the slightest difference. One cannot deter a suicide bomber with the threat of death. Nor can one deter a theocracy bent on meriting admission to heaven and its virgins by one glorious act of violence. Iran would probably not launch the bomb itself, anyway, but would give it to its puppet terrorists to send to Israel so it could deny responsibility. Obama, bent on appeasement, would likely not retaliate with nuclear weapons. And Israel will be dead and gone. Those sunshine Jewish patriots who voted for Obama must realize that we, as Jews, are witnessing the possible end of Israel. We are in the same moral position as our ancestors were as they watched Hitler?s rise but did nothing to pressure their favorite liberal Democratic president, FDR, to take any real action to save them or even to let Jewish refugees into the country. If we remain complacent, we will have the same anguish at watching the destruction of Israel that our forebears had in witnessing the Holocaust. Because one thing is increasingly clear: Barack Obama is not about to lift a finger to stop Iran from developing the bomb. And neither is Hillary Clinton. Obama may have held the first White House seder, but he's not planning to spend next year in Jerusalem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or I never saw it?? Dick L > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Tabor > To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:34 PM > Subject: [Dialogue] Digging Mt Zion in 2009 > > I just sent the message below out to about 1000 people and I will > try to get it out to another 1000 tomorrow. I typed in the names > myself and it took me all day. I am exhausted. Some of you might > have already gotten this although I did not include everyone on the > Dialogue list. BTW, the SC group that many of us met in Charlotte > is sending two of their college age kids to dig with us! > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > I am sending this message to friends, associates, students, > colleagues, acquaintances, relatives, readers of my books and blogs, > and anyone else I can think of. It is not, however, a "broadcast" e- > mail taken from a distribution list. I typed in each address/name > individually. > > Just three weeks from now we begin our archaeological excavation at > Mt. Zion in Jerusalem (June 14-July 10). As I explain below, I > should really be in a panic, as co-director of the dig, and the one > primarily responsible for its operational health. Instead I am quite > confident and upbeat. Let me explain. > > UNC Charlotte is the only American university with a license to > conduct an archaeological dig in Jerusalem. Nothing like this has > been permitted now for over 30 years. The location of our dig site > is as amazing as it is historic. Even though it is just outside the > present 15th century Turkish Wall, in the time of Jesus, it was > precisely at the center of Roman/Herodian Jerusalem. In other words > we are poised over the heart of the ancient city. > > You can enter our main Web site and find maps, a Google Earth shot, > history, photos, and full descriptions of our project, including > video presentations at http://digmountzion.com > > 2009 is our third season and we are poised just above well preserved > ruins from the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Our > intention is to enter these levels and areas this coming season. The > potential results of this dig are extraordinary, both immediate and > longer term. We are uncovering ancient Jerusalem in a manner that > will preserve all the levels of material culture--Turkish, Islamic, > Crusader, Byzantine, Roman, and ancient Jewish--something you will > see no other place in the Old City of Jerusalem. > > Our 2009 license from the Israel Antiquities Authority is in hand > and we have a diverse international team of 50 volunteers joining > us, all of whom have sacrificed to pay their own expenses, as well > as a top-notch archaeological staff led by Dr. Shimon Gibson. Our > challenge is funding our operational costs. > > The state of North Carolina has frozen all spending due to budget > deficits, so we have been told there is no state money at all for > the Mt Zion dig. Last year we were allotted $30,000 in state funds > as a base budget. Most of the dozen or so donors who have supported > us in the past with larger gifts ( $1000-$5000), have told us they > are holding back on their giving this year due to the recession. The > absolute bare minimum we need to run this excavation is $90,000, and > that does not include anything for post-excavation work or > conservation. I have been working incessantly for months on the fund > raising, just as the recession got deeper, and right now we are > short about $50,000--with the dig beginning June 14! > > So, how does one fund an archaeological excavation in a serious > recession--with just three weeks to go? When programs and projects > are being cancelled or cut back everywhere how can we expect to be > able to meet our funding needs? There is a fine line between "faith" > and "foolishness," but I do have faith that there is way we can do > this. > > A week ago I initiated a $50,000 fund drive on the Web, taking a > page from the Obama campaign. Some of you have already joined us and > you can go to http://digmountzion.com/information, and see our > little "Pitch In" logo to see how we are doing. There is clearly > great strength in numbers and if we can get a few thousand people > giving more modest amounts ($15, $25, $50, $75, $100, or more) we > definitely can meet our minimum operational expenses and then some. > > You can make a secure donation on-line instantly by using a Paypal > account or a credit or debit card. It is not necessary to open a > Paypal account to use this service and there are no hidden fees > involved. If you prefer to write a check you should make it to The > Foundation for Biblical Archaeology and mark it "Mt Zion 2009," > mailing it to TFBA, 2659 Freedom Parkway, Suite 307, Cummings, GA > 30041. All contributions are tax deductible and you will promptly > receive a receipt by mail. TFBA does not take any overhead to act as > our vendor in this way, for which we are very grateful. That means > 100% of what is given goes directly to our excavation costs. > > Please go to the Web site and "Pitch In" at whatever level you find > appropriate. Let's together make that graph bar rise to the top! As > you give in this way you will have the satisfaction that you have > participated in a little bit of history, in uncovering the hidden > past of ancient Jerusalem. If you spend a bit of time browsing our > Web site and learning more about this dig I think you will be > hooked. There is no other effort quite like this, and I am convinced > that its outcome and results are truly going to turn out to be > historic. > > Also, please pass on this message to as many people as you deem > might be interested. I have also attached a flyer. > > For the Mt Zion Project! > > James Tabor > > P.S. It is not too late to join our dig! We have extended the > deadline for volunteers to June 1st, as we still have some slots > open. If you are interested let me know. > > > > > > > Prof. James D. Tabor > Chair, Dept. of Religious Studies > UNC Charlotte > Charlotte, NC 28223 > 704-687-2783 (Direct office line) > 704-687-3003 (FAX) > > > > I just sent the message below out to about 1000 people and I will try > to get it out to another 1000 tomorrow. I typed in the names myself > and it took me all day. I am exhausted. Some of you might have already > gotten this although I did not include everyone on the Dialogue list. > BTW, the SC group that many of us met in Charlotte is sending two of > their college age kids to dig with us! > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > I am sending this message to friends, associates, students, > colleagues, acquaintances, relatives, readers of my books and blogs, > and anyone else I can think of. It is not, however, a "broadcast" e- > mail taken from a distribution list. I typed in each address/name > individually. > > Just three weeks from now we begin our archaeological excavation at > Mt. Zion in Jerusalem (June 14-July 10). As I explain below, I should > really be in a panic, as co-director of the dig, and the one primarily > responsible for its operational health. Instead I am quite confident > and upbeat. Let me explain. > > UNC Charlotte is the only American university with a license to > conduct an archaeological dig in Jerusalem. Nothing like this has been > permitted now for over 30 years. The location of our dig site is as > amazing as it is historic. Even though it is just outside the present > 15th century Turkish Wall, in the time of Jesus, it was precisely at > the center of Roman/Herodian Jerusalem. In other words we are poised > over the heart of the ancient city. > > You can enter our main Web site and find maps, a Google Earth shot, > history, photos, and full descriptions of our project, including video > presentations at http://digmountzion.com > > 2009 is our third season and we are poised just above well preserved > ruins from the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Our intention > is to enter these levels and areas this coming season. The potential > results of this dig are extraordinary, both immediate and longer term. > We are uncovering ancient Jerusalem in a manner that will preserve all > the levels of material culture--Turkish, Islamic, Crusader, Byzantine, > Roman, and ancient Jewish--something you will see no other place in > the Old City of Jerusalem. > > Our 2009 license from the Israel Antiquities Authority is in hand and > we have a diverse international team of 50 volunteers joining us, all > of whom have sacrificed to pay their own expenses, as well as a top- > notch archaeological staff led by Dr. Shimon Gibson. Our challenge is > funding our operational costs. > > The state of North Carolina has frozen all spending due to budget > deficits, so we have been told there is no state money at all for the > Mt Zion dig. Last year we were allotted $30,000 in state funds as a > base budget. Most of the dozen or so donors who have supported us in > the past with larger gifts ( $1000-$5000), have told us they are > holding back on their giving this year due to the recession. The > absolute bare minimum we need to run this excavation is $90,000, and > that does not include anything for post-excavation work or > conservation. I have been working incessantly for months on the fund > raising, just as the recession got deeper, and right now we are short > about $50,000--with the dig beginning June 14! > > So, how does one fund an archaeological excavation in a serious > recession--with just three weeks to go? When programs and projects are > being cancelled or cut back everywhere how can we expect to be able to > meet our funding needs? There is a fine line between "faith" and > "foolishness," but I do have faith that there is way we can do this. > > A week ago I initiated a $50,000 fund drive on the Web, taking a page > from the Obama campaign. Some of you have already joined us and you > can go to http://digmountzion.com/information, and see our little > "Pitch In" logo to see how we are doing. There is clearly great > strength in numbers and if we can get a few thousand people giving > more modest amounts ($15, $25, $50, $75, $100, or more) we definitely > can meet our minimum operational expenses and then some. > > You can make a secure donation on-line instantly by using a Paypal > account or a credit or debit card. It is not necessary to open a > Paypal account to use this service and there are no hidden fees > involved. If you prefer to write a check you should make it to The > Foundation for Biblical Archaeology and mark it "Mt Zion 2009," > mailing it to TFBA, 2659 Freedom Parkway, Suite 307, Cummings, GA > 30041. All contributions are tax deductible and you will promptly > receive a receipt by mail. TFBA does not take any overhead to act as > our vendor in this way, for which we are very grateful. That means > 100% of what is given goes directly to our excavation costs. > > Please go to the Web site and "Pitch In" at whatever level you find > appropriate. Let's together make that graph bar rise to the top! As > you give in this way you will have the satisfaction that you have > participated in a little bit of history, in uncovering the hidden past > of ancient Jerusalem. If you spend a bit of time browsing our Web site > and learning more about this dig I think you will be hooked. There is > no other effort quite like this, and I am convinced that its outcome > and results are truly going to turn out to be historic. > > Also, please pass on this message to as many people as you deem might > be interested. I have also attached a flyer. > > For the Mt Zion Project! > > James Tabor > > P.S. It is not too late to join our dig! We have extended the deadline > for volunteers to June 1st, as we still have some slots open. If you > are interested let me know. > > > > > > Prof. James D. Tabor > Chair, Dept. of Religious Studies > UNC Charlotte > Charlotte, NC 28223 > 704-687-2783 (Direct office line) > 704-687-3003 (FAX) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: > 05/26/09 08:53:00 > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090526/b5c87328/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Tue May 26 20:26:34 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:26:34 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Let's Send Cody to the Mt Zion Dig Message-ID: <19C3E87D-F582-4483-9B2B-4C6A387A3828@earthlink.net> I had the bright idea today that UIWU should send Cody to the dig this summer. What do you think? If he can get his airfare together, which runs at least $1500, but he might be able to get a flight donated, he would need to raise another $2500 or so for expenses, participation costs, etc. if he stayed the full month. I remember some time back several of you had wanted to help Cody return to the Land. This would be temporary but who knows, it might lead to more. Let me know what you think? James From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Tue May 26 20:32:33 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:32:33 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Let's Send Cody to the Mt Zion Dig In-Reply-To: <19C3E87D-F582-4483-9B2B-4C6A387A3828@earthlink.net> References: <19C3E87D-F582-4483-9B2B-4C6A387A3828@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <91CE692F-02DE-4B3E-AFA6-10FF789F10AD@earthlink.net> Oh, I might point out, as a reminder, that back in 2004 we helped Ayala, Hanoch's daugher, go to school in Israel. Now look at the result! James On May 26, 2009, at 9:26 PM, James Tabor wrote: > I had the bright idea today that UIWU should send Cody to the dig > this summer. What do you think? If he can get his airfare together, > which runs at least $1500, but he might be able to get a flight > donated, he would need to raise another $2500 or so for expenses, > participation costs, etc. if he stayed the full month. I remember > some time back several of you had wanted to help Cody return to the > Land. This would be temporary but who knows, it might lead to more. > Let me know what you think? > > James > > > _______________________________________________ From chcashmore at hotmail.com Wed May 27 06:19:44 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:19:44 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession Message-ID: They are very powerful thoughts Marvin - very wise. I've taken them to heart. You have my prayers - hang in there. We are with you in faith and love. Catherine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090527/6831c7ae/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Wed May 27 06:49:50 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:49:50 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession - Hanoch Message-ID: Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us Hanoch - it really was a very brave confession. If I was your mother I would be bursting with pride over such a wonderful loving son. You're a great example to us all in many ways, and that is shown very clearly in your family. You truly walk in the example you set. I know I don't know you all that well, however I hope you'll accept my words because I feel them deeply from what we share on dialogue. I hope we meet in Israel one day! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090527/f88bd02a/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 27 05:58:44 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:58:44 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] "The Kotel" Message-ID: <855590370905270358i79926440v67d6668f715e401c@mail.gmail.com> >From Rav Lazer Brody..... Please click on the words, "*The Kotel*" * Hanoch* * The Kotel Any nation that is foolish enoughto attempt severing any part of the Temple Mount and Jerusalem from the Jewish people hasn't learned the lessons of history: * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090527/3df94e83/attachment.html From cormary at mts.net Wed May 27 07:03:59 2009 From: cormary at mts.net (Cornie Reimer) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:03:59 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession - Hanoch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A1D2C2F.3090401@mts.net> amen Catherine I agree Cornie Catherine Cashmore wrote: > Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us Hanoch - it > really was a very brave confession. If I was your mother I would be > bursting with pride over such a wonderful loving son. You're a great > example to us all in many ways, and that is shown very clearly in > your family. You truly walk in the example you set. I know I don't > know you all that well, however I hope you'll accept my words because > I feel them deeply from what we share on dialogue. I hope we meet in > Israel one day! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090527/80d0540f/attachment.html From cormary at mts.net Wed May 27 07:45:36 2009 From: cormary at mts.net (Cornie Reimer) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:45:36 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] new mail address In-Reply-To: <55B0DD28910D4E02A66F044C7E156B02@MarvinLT> References: <4A1455B8.7090602@gninc.ca> <55B0DD28910D4E02A66F044C7E156B02@MarvinLT> Message-ID: <4A1D35F0.6050307@mts.net> Marvin i want to write something to you shortly. Concerning my mother, as i reflect back close to 70 years ago. You see I'm turning 75 next year if i will be around that long. Right now I have to run along to work. Thank you for the encouragement. I may include a photo of myself in voluntary service in the army in Israel. Cornie mhyde wrote: > > Cornie, thanks for the new e=mail. You make sure you hang around > here. You did not get those white hairs for nothing, you have much > wisdom to share. Many times one of the greatest insights I get form > this group is that people are people the world over. We all go through > the same kind of life problems and it is a reaffirmation of the verse > "there is nothing new under the sun", Beside's you can never tell > when we might need and ole prayer warrior like yourself.:) How is > that CD turning, have you played the lips off of Tracy Osbrone yet? > At charlotte tracy sung a song off his new CD that he is working > on...... if they all are as good as it was, we'll just have to get > that CD also. > > > > Take care my friend, > > > > marvin > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org > [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] *On Behalf Of *Cornie Reimer > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:11 PM > *To:* dialogue at rootsoffaith.org > *Subject:* Re: [Dialogue] new mail address > > > > Betty and all, how do I go about this, I too have a new e-mail address > effective immediately, how do I go about it that I don't get it to > confuse your announcement of yours Betty? > > I have a tendency to make some quite stupid mistakes like the one I > wrote the other day. I wrote, addressing an e-mail to Catherine, that > I really should have addressed to Kim. Since no one responded to it I > checked back to it to find out what was wrong with it. I have made > those mistakes before. Some can even be so miss-understood, the way i > write it, that I think I should be careful about even writing at all, > to such a wide range of readers. I am getting a bit to high in age, > since I have never even been good at it when I was younger. I was even > wondering if I should bother giving my new address. But, again, I have > had such encouraging e-mails in the past, when I was a bit down, that > i would really miss this group of fine G-d fearing and tender hearted > people that you all are. Please bear with my mistakes, and i will be > careful not to write too much. I thought I had to send this note to > you all separately, but i realize that is not necessary, i am not that > important . It just did not dawn on me before. > > Cornie > > > > My new address is cormary at mts.net > > Betty K Givin wrote: > > Friends, my new email address effective immediately is > bkgivin at verizon.net > > > > Thanks, > > > > Elisheva/Betty > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090527/3a3b7e9e/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Wed May 27 09:53:47 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:53:47 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] death to Israel In-Reply-To: <119954.58448.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <119954.58448.qm@web43414.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <855590370905270753p7ca09c9ex9918080ddfa445f7@mail.gmail.com> Hey Ron - I'll look into Caroline's article, and let you know if I find it. I really, really wish we were wrong on this one - but I don't believe we are.... Take care - * Hanoch * On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Ron Heaton wrote: > What was the title of Caroline Glick's article in the Jerusalem post. > Very interesting and I am not surprised at all. I have said even before he > was elected that he has a hidden agenda. > > Thanks Ron Heaton > > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090527/9e5f0272/attachment.html From gets52000 at yahoo.com Wed May 27 10:22:11 2009 From: gets52000 at yahoo.com (susie getskow) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] death to Israel Message-ID: <48160.4816.qm@web54507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> www.CarolineGlick.com should be helpful. --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Hanoch Young wrote: From: Hanoch Young Subject: Re: [Dialogue] death to Israel To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:53 AM Hey Ron - ? ?? I'll look into Caroline's article, and let you know if I find it.? I really, really wish we were?wrong on this one - but I don't believe we are.... ? ?? Take care - ??????????????? Hanoch On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Ron Heaton wrote: What was the title of Caroline Glick's article in the Jerusalem post.? Very interesting and I am not surprised at all.? I have said even before he was elected that he has a hidden agenda. Thanks Ron Heaton _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, James On May 26, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Dick L wrote: James: You never mentioned what it costs for a volunteer to go on the dig?????? Or I never saw it?? Dick L ----- Original Message ----- From: James Tabor To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: [Dialogue] Digging Mt Zion in 2009 I just sent the message below out to about 1000 people and I will try to get it out to another 1000 tomorrow. I typed in the names myself and it took me all day. I am exhausted. Some of you might have already gotten this although I did not include everyone on the Dialogue list. BTW, the SC group that many of us met in Charlotte is sending two of their college age kids to dig with us! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I am sending this message to friends, associates, students, colleagues, acquaintances, relatives, readers of my books and blogs, and anyone else I can think of. It is not, however, a "broadcast" e-mail taken from a distribution list. I typed in each address/name individually. Just three weeks from now we begin our archaeological excavation at Mt. Zion in Jerusalem (June 14-July 10). As I explain below, I should really be in a panic, as co-director of the dig, and the one primarily responsible for its operational health. Instead I am quite confident and upbeat. Let me explain. UNC Charlotte is the only American university with a license to conduct an archaeological dig in Jerusalem. Nothing like this has been permitted now for over 30 years. The location of our dig site is as amazing as it is historic. Even though it is just outside the present 15th century Turkish Wall, in the time of Jesus, it was precisely at the center of Roman/Herodian Jerusalem. In other words we are poised over the heart of the ancient city. You can enter our main Web site and find maps, a Google Earth shot, history, photos, and full descriptions of our project, including video presentations at http://digmountzion.com 2009 is our third season and we are poised just above well preserved ruins from the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Our intention is to enter these levels and areas this coming season. The potential results of this dig are extraordinary, both immediate and longer term. We are uncovering ancient Jerusalem in a manner that will preserve all the levels of material culture--Turkish, Islamic, Crusader, Byzantine, Roman, and ancient Jewish--something you will see no other place in the Old City of Jerusalem. Our 2009 license from the Israel Antiquities Authority is in hand and we have a diverse international team of 50 volunteers joining us, all of whom have sacrificed to pay their own expenses, as well as a top-notch archaeological staff led by Dr. Shimon Gibson. Our challenge is funding our operational costs. The state of North Carolina has frozen all spending due to budget deficits, so we have been told there is no state money at all for the Mt Zion dig. Last year we were allotted $30,000 in state funds as a base budget. Most of the dozen or so donors who have supported us in the past with larger gifts ( $1000-$5000), have told us they are holding back on their giving this year due to the recession. The absolute bare minimum we need to run this excavation is $90,000, and that does not include anything for post-excavation work or conservation. I have been working incessantly for months on the fund raising, just as the recession got deeper, and right now we are short about $50,000--with the dig beginning June 14! So, how does one fund an archaeological excavation in a serious recession--with just three weeks to go? When programs and projects are being cancelled or cut back everywhere how can we expect to be able to meet our funding needs? There is a fine line between "faith" and "foolishness," but I do have faith that there is way we can do this. A week ago I initiated a $50,000 fund drive on the Web, taking a page from the Obama campaign. Some of you have already joined us and you can go to http://digmountzion.com/information, and see our little "Pitch In" logo to see how we are doing. There is clearly great strength in numbers and if we can get a few thousand people giving more modest amounts ($15, $25, $50, $75, $100, or more) we definitely can meet our minimum operational expenses and then some. You can make a secure donation on-line instantly by using a Paypal account or a credit or debit card. It is not necessary to open a Paypal account to use this service and there are no hidden fees involved. If you prefer to write a check you should make it to The Foundation for Biblical Archaeology and mark it "Mt Zion 2009," mailing it to TFBA, 2659 Freedom Parkway, Suite 307, Cummings, GA 30041. All contributions are tax deductible and you will promptly receive a receipt by mail. TFBA does not take any overhead to act as our vendor in this way, for which we are very grateful. That means 100% of what is given goes directly to our excavation costs. Please go to the Web site and "Pitch In" at whatever level you find appropriate. Let's together make that graph bar rise to the top! As you give in this way you will have the satisfaction that you have participated in a little bit of history, in uncovering the hidden past of ancient Jerusalem. If you spend a bit of time browsing our Web site and learning more about this dig I think you will be hooked. There is no other effort quite like this, and I am convinced that its outcome and results are truly going to turn out to be historic. Also, please pass on this message to as many people as you deem might be interested. I have also attached a flyer. For the Mt Zion Project! James Tabor P.S. It is not too late to join our dig! We have extended the deadline for volunteers to June 1st, as we still have some slots open. If you are interested let me know. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. James D. Tabor Chair, Dept. of Religious Studies UNC Charlotte Charlotte, NC 28223 704-687-2783 (Direct office line) 704-687-3003 (FAX) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just sent the message below out to about 1000 people and I will try to get it out to another 1000 tomorrow. I typed in the names myself and it took me all day. I am exhausted. Some of you might have already gotten this although I did not include everyone on the Dialogue list. BTW, the SC group that many of us met in Charlotte is sending two of their college age kids to dig with us! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I am sending this message to friends, associates, students, colleagues, acquaintances, relatives, readers of my books and blogs, and anyone else I can think of. It is not, however, a "broadcast" e- mail taken from a distribution list. I typed in each address/name individually. Just three weeks from now we begin our archaeological excavation at Mt. Zion in Jerusalem (June 14-July 10). As I explain below, I should really be in a panic, as co-director of the dig, and the one primarily responsible for its operational health. Instead I am quite confident and upbeat. Let me explain. UNC Charlotte is the only American university with a license to conduct an archaeological dig in Jerusalem. Nothing like this has been permitted now for over 30 years. The location of our dig site is as amazing as it is historic. Even though it is just outside the present 15th century Turkish Wall, in the time of Jesus, it was precisely at the center of Roman/Herodian Jerusalem. In other words we are poised over the heart of the ancient city. You can enter our main Web site and find maps, a Google Earth shot, history, photos, and full descriptions of our project, including video presentations at http://digmountzion.com 2009 is our third season and we are poised just above well preserved ruins from the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Our intention is to enter these levels and areas this coming season. The potential results of this dig are extraordinary, both immediate and longer term. We are uncovering ancient Jerusalem in a manner that will preserve all the levels of material culture--Turkish, Islamic, Crusader, Byzantine, Roman, and ancient Jewish--something you will see no other place in the Old City of Jerusalem. Our 2009 license from the Israel Antiquities Authority is in hand and we have a diverse international team of 50 volunteers joining us, all of whom have sacrificed to pay their own expenses, as well as a top- notch archaeological staff led by Dr. Shimon Gibson. Our challenge is funding our operational costs. The state of North Carolina has frozen all spending due to budget deficits, so we have been told there is no state money at all for the Mt Zion dig. Last year we were allotted $30,000 in state funds as a base budget. Most of the dozen or so donors who have supported us in the past with larger gifts ( $1000-$5000), have told us they are holding back on their giving this year due to the recession. The absolute bare minimum we need to run this excavation is $90,000, and that does not include anything for post-excavation work or conservation. I have been working incessantly for months on the fund raising, just as the recession got deeper, and right now we are short about $50,000--with the dig beginning June 14! So, how does one fund an archaeological excavation in a serious recession--with just three weeks to go? When programs and projects are being cancelled or cut back everywhere how can we expect to be able to meet our funding needs? There is a fine line between "faith" and "foolishness," but I do have faith that there is way we can do this. A week ago I initiated a $50,000 fund drive on the Web, taking a page from the Obama campaign. Some of you have already joined us and you can go to http://digmountzion.com/information, and see our little "Pitch In" logo to see how we are doing. There is clearly great strength in numbers and if we can get a few thousand people giving more modest amounts ($15, $25, $50, $75, $100, or more) we definitely can meet our minimum operational expenses and then some. You can make a secure donation on-line instantly by using a Paypal account or a credit or debit card. It is not necessary to open a Paypal account to use this service and there are no hidden fees involved. If you prefer to write a check you should make it to The Foundation for Biblical Archaeology and mark it "Mt Zion 2009," mailing it to TFBA, 2659 Freedom Parkway, Suite 307, Cummings, GA 30041. All contributions are tax deductible and you will promptly receive a receipt by mail. TFBA does not take any overhead to act as our vendor in this way, for which we are very grateful. That means 100% of what is given goes directly to our excavation costs. Please go to the Web site and "Pitch In" at whatever level you find appropriate. Let's together make that graph bar rise to the top! As you give in this way you will have the satisfaction that you have participated in a little bit of history, in uncovering the hidden past of ancient Jerusalem. If you spend a bit of time browsing our Web site and learning more about this dig I think you will be hooked. There is no other effort quite like this, and I am convinced that its outcome and results are truly going to turn out to be historic. Also, please pass on this message to as many people as you deem might be interested. I have also attached a flyer. For the Mt Zion Project! James Tabor P.S. It is not too late to join our dig! We have extended the deadline for volunteers to June 1st, as we still have some slots open. If you are interested let me know. Prof. James D. Tabor Chair, Dept. of Religious Studies UNC Charlotte Charlotte, NC 28223 704-687-2783 (Direct office line) 704-687-3003 (FAX) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.40/2135 - Release Date: 05/26/09 08:53:00 _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.42/2137 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090527/fc3d2eca/attachment.html From cormary at mts.net Wed May 27 16:43:37 2009 From: cormary at mts.net (Cornie Reimer) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:43:37 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Yair Davidi or Brit-Am Message-ID: <4A1DB409.7010606@mts.net> Hi all I thought this might interest some of you. Cornie Important New Broadcast The Ten Tribes Were to Become Identified with Gentiles (based on Chs. 1, 2, 3 of Hosea). http://www.britam.org/HoseaGomer.mp3 Length 1 hour 1 minute The time is soon approaching when the Ten Tribes will not only be acknowledged as to who they are but be OBLIGED to own up to it themselves. The Jews (Judah) in the End Times are called upon by the Prophet Hosea to accept the Ten Tribes as fellow Israelites. Hosea predicted that the Lost Ten Tribes would become assimilated amongst the Children of Gomer meaning the Celtic and Germanic nations. They would be mostly in the west, extremely numerous, and blessed with great wealth. They are in danger of having all this taken away from them unless they return to the God of Israel and act as Israelites. Hosea speaks of these matters in some detail and quite forcefully. The broadcast above (based on Hosea chs. 1, 2, 3) discusses this message of the Prophet Hosea which is important in our time and to us, NOW! From cormary at mts.net Wed May 27 16:59:58 2009 From: cormary at mts.net (Cornie Reimer) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:59:58 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] new mail address - cornie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A1DB7DE.30106@mts.net> OK Catherine I promise I will not be afraid to write. But any one is welcome to correct me. Cornie Catherine Cashmore wrote: > Cornie - I'd rather you write too much always! We all love you! You > have to promise to write too much - even if you think you make stupid > mistakes, we never do! Bless you Cornie > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090527/9257b215/attachment.html From mhyde7 at tds.net Wed May 27 21:05:19 2009 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <829607BCDC23462EA41EA0EF29385CAE@MarvinLT> Thanks Catherine, I'm a firm believer that everything we go through is for a reason. I told one of my brothers the other day, I wonder if this (Mom's condition) is for Mom or for us kids. I'm inclined to believe we have something to learn, maybe more so then Mom has something to unlearn(forget). I noticed when my eldest sister died a few years back that it had a profound effect on one of my brothers, cause him to change his life. My this situation will work Hashems will in my brothers and sisters life. Possibly mine also. At any rate, I'm enjoying the time I have with my Mom, and hoping that Hashem in his mercy will send in the train sooner then later. Shalom, marvin _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Cashmore Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:20 AM To: roots Subject: [Dialogue] Marvin & Dick prayer request and confession They are very powerful thoughts Marvin - very wise. I've taken them to heart. You have my prayers - hang in there. We are with you in faith and love. Catherine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Avigail -------------------------------------------------- From: "Cornie Reimer" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:43 PM To: Subject: [Dialogue] Yair Davidi or Brit-Am > Hi all I thought this might interest some of you. > > Cornie > > > > Important New Broadcast > The Ten Tribes Were to Become Identified with Gentiles (based on Chs. 1, > 2, 3 of Hosea). > http://www.britam.org/HoseaGomer.mp3 > Length 1 hour 1 minute > > The time is soon approaching when the Ten Tribes will not only be > acknowledged as to who they are > but be OBLIGED to own up to it themselves. > The Jews (Judah) in the End Times are called upon by the Prophet Hosea > to accept the Ten Tribes as fellow Israelites. > Hosea predicted that the Lost Ten Tribes would become assimilated > amongst the Children of Gomer meaning the Celtic and > Germanic nations. They would be mostly in the west, extremely numerous, > and blessed with great wealth. > They are in danger of having all this taken away from them unless they > return to the God of Israel and act as Israelites. > Hosea speaks of these matters in some detail and quite forcefully. > The broadcast above (based on Hosea chs. 1, 2, 3) discusses this message > of the Prophet Hosea > which is important in our time and to us, NOW! > _______________________________________________ > From mhyde7 at tds.net Wed May 27 21:51:14 2009 From: mhyde7 at tds.net (mhyde) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:51:14 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Messiah and the nations In-Reply-To: <4A1DB409.7010606@mts.net> References: <4A1DB409.7010606@mts.net> Message-ID: Hey gang, I have a question. Christians generally think that when Messiah(jesus) comes that he will bring peace to all of us. Good guys go to heaven and the bad guys go to hell. My question or statement is this. I think or am seeing in scripture, that when Messiah comes he will set things right in Israel. The nations will see the blessings that come with following the way of Hashem and they will also see the cursing that comes with not following the way of Hashem. Therefore , the nations will then choose to follow the way or not, but as I'm seeing it or at least what I'm thinking. So what if Messiah comes? He will not fix the whole world at once. It will be a process, that begins with the nation of Israel and then works it's way outward and around the entire globe. Now if I have not totally missed it, this will create quite a different future then the one espoused by Christianity. Any thoughts? marvin From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Wed May 27 22:07:46 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 03:07:46 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Messiah and the nations Message-ID: <924501918-1243480086-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1205078744-@bxe1195.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Bingo! ------Original Message------ From: mhyde Sender: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org To: Dialogue ReplyTo: Dialogue Sent: May 27, 2009 21:51 Subject: [Dialogue] Messiah and the nations Hey gang, I have a question. Christians generally think that when Messiah(jesus) comes that he will bring peace to all of us. Good guys go to heaven and the bad guys go to hell. My question or statement is this. I think or am seeing in scripture, that when Messiah comes he will set things right in Israel. The nations will see the blessings that come with following the way of Hashem and they will also see the cursing that comes with not following the way of Hashem. Therefore , the nations will then choose to follow the way or not, but as I'm seeing it or at least what I'm thinking. So what if Messiah comes? He will not fix the whole world at once. It will be a process, that begins with the nation of Israel and then works it's way outward and around the entire globe. Now if I have not totally missed it, this will create quite a different future then the one espoused by Christianity. Any thoughts? marvin _______________________________________________ Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From carlson_john at bellsouth.net Wed May 27 22:17:10 2009 From: carlson_john at bellsouth.net (carlson_john at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 03:17:10 +0000 Subject: [Dialogue] Messiah and the nations Message-ID: <567990141-1243480650-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1481384705-@bxe1195.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Marvin, I have found that the Hebrew concept of messiah (and in my opinion, the one that Yeshua held) is far different than the Christian concept, which I belive to be dualistic in origin. ------Original Message------ From: mhyde Sender: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org To: Dialogue ReplyTo: Dialogue Sent: May 27, 2009 21:51 Subject: [Dialogue] Messiah and the nations Hey gang, I have a question. Christians generally think that when Messiah(jesus) comes that he will bring peace to all of us. Good guys go to heaven and the bad guys go to hell. My question or statement is this. I think or am seeing in scripture, that when Messiah comes he will set things right in Israel. The nations will see the blessings that come with following the way of Hashem and they will also see the cursing that comes with not following the way of Hashem. Therefore , the nations will then choose to follow the way or not, but as I'm seeing it or at least what I'm thinking. So what if Messiah comes? He will not fix the whole world at once. It will be a process, that begins with the nation of Israel and then works it's way outward and around the entire globe. Now if I have not totally missed it, this will create quite a different future then the one espoused by Christianity. Any thoughts? marvin _______________________________________________ Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From bkgivin at verizon.net Wed May 27 22:58:42 2009 From: bkgivin at verizon.net (Betty K Givin) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:58:42 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Digging Mt Zion in 2009 In-Reply-To: <02F7ED44-F91B-4CCC-B772-27671B36D38F@earthlink.net> References: <3EAF1D99-28B2-454C-A2A7-5ADFDD36E246@uncc.edu> <134A6BDB-ECA3-4A2C-860A-D89062CE8F31@earthlink.net> <02F7ED44-F91B-4CCC-B772-27671B36D38F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <92626C0562624E6DA93FEAA7970B7CB6@bettylaptop> Wonderful news!!! I know that both you and Hanoch are thrilled, James, and I am sure you will take Ayala under your wing. Yes, this is only the beginning, if she is anything like her dad! And great news that some of Web's college age kids are going to join the dig as well! Elisheva/Betty _____ From: dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org [mailto:dialogue-bounces at rootsoffaith.org] On Behalf Of James Tabor Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:57 AM To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Digging Mt Zion in 2009 I am most pleased to add that Hanoch's very own Ayala (remember that recent picture!) is also going to dig with us this summer. Her registration and official paperwork just came through this morning! So, looks like our little band is even more directly connected to the Mt Zion project. This is all quite amazing. Ayala plans to study archaeology at Hebrew University. This is only the beginning and who could imagine all that might come of her involvement? James On May 25, 2009, at 9:34 PM, James Tabor wrote: I just sent the message below out to about 1000 people and I will try to get it out to another 1000 tomorrow. I typed in the names myself and it took me all day. I am exhausted. Some of you might have already gotten this although I did not include everyone on the Dialogue list. BTW, the SC group that many of us met in Charlotte is sending two of their college age kids to dig with us! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I am sending this message to friends, associates, students, colleagues, acquaintances, relatives, readers of my books and blogs, and anyone else I can think of. It is not, however, a "broadcast" e-mail taken from a distribution list. I typed in each address/name individually. Just three weeks from now we begin our archaeological excavation at Mt. Zion in Jerusalem (June 14-July 10). As I explain below, I should really be in a panic, as co-director of the dig, and the one primarily responsible for its operational health. Instead I am quite confident and upbeat. Let me explain. UNC Charlotte is the only American university with a license to conduct an archaeological dig in Jerusalem. Nothing like this has been permitted now for over 30 years. The location of our dig site is as amazing as it is historic. Even though it is just outside the present 15th century Turkish Wall, in the time of Jesus, it was precisely at the center of Roman/Herodian Jerusalem. In other words we are poised over the heart of the ancient city. You can enter our main Web site and find maps, a Google Earth shot, history, photos, and full descriptions of our project, including video presentations at http://digmountzion.com 2009 is our third season and we are poised just above well preserved ruins from the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Our intention is to enter these levels and areas this coming season. The potential results of this dig are extraordinary, both immediate and longer term. We are uncovering ancient Jerusalem in a manner that will preserve all the levels of material culture--Turkish, Islamic, Crusader, Byzantine, Roman, and ancient Jewish--something you will see no other place in the Old City of Jerusalem. Our 2009 license from the Israel Antiquities Authority is in hand and we have a diverse international team of 50 volunteers joining us, all of whom have sacrificed to pay their own expenses, as well as a top-notch archaeological staff led by Dr. Shimon Gibson. Our challenge is funding our operational costs. The state of North Carolina has frozen all spending due to budget deficits, so we have been told there is no state money at all for the Mt Zion dig. Last year we were allotted $30,000 in state funds as a base budget. Most of the dozen or so donors who have supported us in the past with larger gifts ( $1000-$5000), have told us they are holding back on their giving this year due to the recession. The absolute bare minimum we need to run this excavation is $90,000, and that does not include anything for post-excavation work or conservation. I have been working incessantly for months on the fund raising, just as the recession got deeper, and right now we are short about $50,000--with the dig beginning June 14! So, how does one fund an archaeological excavation in a serious recession--with just three weeks to go? When programs and projects are being cancelled or cut back everywhere how can we expect to be able to meet our funding needs? There is a fine line between "faith" and "foolishness," but I do have faith that there is way we can do this. A week ago I initiated a $50,000 fund drive on the Web, taking a page from the Obama campaign. Some of you have already joined us and you can go to http://digmountzion.com/information, and see our little "Pitch In" logo to see how we are doing. There is clearly great strength in numbers and if we can get a few thousand people giving more modest amounts ($15, $25, $50, $75, $100, or more) we definitely can meet our minimum operational expenses and then some. You can make a secure donation on-line instantly by using a Paypal account or a credit or debit card. It is not necessary to open a Paypal account to use this service and there are no hidden fees involved. If you prefer to write a check you should make it to The Foundation for Biblical Archaeology and mark it "Mt Zion 2009," mailing it to TFBA, 2659 Freedom Parkway, Suite 307, Cummings, GA 30041. All contributions are tax deductible and you will promptly receive a receipt by mail. TFBA does not take any overhead to act as our vendor in this way, for which we are very grateful. That means 100% of what is given goes directly to our excavation costs. Please go to the Web site and "Pitch In " at whatever level you find appropriate. Let's together make that graph bar rise to the top! As you give in this way you will have the satisfaction that you have participated in a little bit of history, in uncovering the hidden past of ancient Jerusalem. If you spend a bit of time browsing our Web site and learning more about this dig I think you will be hooked. There is no other effort quite like this, and I am convinced that its outcome and results are truly going to turn out to be historic. Also, please pass on this message to as many people as you deem might be interested. I have also attached a flyer. For the Mt Zion Project! James Tabor P.S. It is not too late to join our dig! We have extended the deadline for volunteers to June 1st, as we still have some slots open. If you are interested let me know. Prof. James D. Tabor Chair, Dept. of Religious Studies UNC Charlotte Charlotte, NC 28223 704-687-2783 (Direct office line) 704-687-3003 (FAX) _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My profession calls for doing a lot of reports, investigations and remedial repair work. I have been inundated. I will try and catch up next week after the Chag. Shalom v'Ahavah. JOE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090528/00d173ce/attachment.html From jamesdtabor at earthlink.net Thu May 28 05:17:33 2009 From: jamesdtabor at earthlink.net (James Tabor) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 06:17:33 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Messiah and the nations In-Reply-To: References: <4A1DB409.7010606@mts.net> Message-ID: <416B77EC-832F-4C39-82DF-A1CA514B9F83@earthlink.net> This is precisely what I think the Prophets lay out and what I cover in my book, RAF, as you know, the final chapters. I think the idea of a process is absolutely important and realistic. There are no magic answers and things must be properly "fixed" so we human learn our lessons. This insight is so very important Marvin. Thanks for bringing it to our thoughts as Shavuot approaches. Any chance you could jump over the mts and join us for the Men's Retreat? James On May 27, 2009, at 10:51 PM, mhyde wrote: > > Hey gang, > > I have a question. Christians generally think that when > Messiah(jesus) > comes that he will bring peace to all of us. Good guys go to heaven > and the > bad guys go to hell. > > My question or statement is this. I think or am seeing in > scripture, that > when Messiah comes he will set things right in Israel. The > nations will > see the blessings that come with following the way of Hashem and > they will > also see the cursing that comes with not following the way of Hashem. > Therefore , the nations will then choose to follow the way or not, > but as > I'm seeing it or at least what I'm thinking. So what if Messiah > comes? He > will not fix the whole world at once. It will be a process, that > begins > with the nation of Israel and then works it's way outward and around > the > entire globe. > > Now if I have not totally missed it, this will create quite a > different > future then the one espoused by Christianity. > > Any thoughts? > > > marvin > > _______________________________________________ From youngbarzel at gmail.com Thu May 28 05:21:59 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 06:21:59 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] "Entering Days of Deeper Understanding" Message-ID: <855590370905280321g58198be5j8e0425a21f58290e@mail.gmail.com> Chag Sameach L'Kulam....Z'man Matan Toratanu - the season of the giving of OUR Torah.... * Hanoch* ** *Entering Days of Deeper Understanding* Moshe Kempinski - May 27, 2009 *As we enter into the final days of the counting of the omer and are about to enter into the palace of Shavuot, we read of an American administration that is intent on creating a terrorist state in the Biblical heartland. As we prepare for the great day of receiving G-d`s revelation, we read of the Intent of certain ministers in our government including our Prime minister to destroy 24 settlement outposts as a "sign of good faith" towards the Obama administration. How can intelligent individuals think that appeasing the evil of terrorism will quiet the beast? How can decent hearted people assume that a two state solution can be a recipe for peace when it is painfully clear that one of those states is going to be another state of terror? It can only be a function of short sightedness. Perhaps it is rooted in a cancer that is more ancient, more evil and ever-present. Our sages ask why Divine knowledge was given on a small mountain in the middle of the desert. They respond that if it was given in the Land of Israel, the residents of the Land of Israel would say, "It is ours"; and if it were given in some other place, the residents of that place would say, "It is ours." Therefore it was given in the wilderness, so that anyone who wishes to acquire it may acquire it.(Mechilta D`Rashbi). Yet the next level of understanding revealed by the sages is even more important. The Torah was given in the desert to teach us that if a person does not surrender himself to humility as represented by the desert, he cannot merit the words of Torah. (Pesikta D`Rav Kahana) The western Hellenist mindset that has overwhelmed rational thinking in the west is so focused on destination that it has forgotten about the voyage. It is so ?solution based? that it has forgotten to be mindful of the process. As a result every ?simple solution? keeps blowing up in our face. It used to be "land for peace" until people began to realize that the two sides understood peace so very differently. For the Arabs it was about political independence while for Israelis it was about the end to killing and terrorism As a result "peace talks? were doomed to failure. Now the popular solution is the "two State solution" has become in vogue with no one trying to determine what type of state was being established. The secret to this type of faulty thinking is that it is grounded in arrogance and pride. President Obama is so sure of his power of eloquence and persuasion that he believes that it, more than anything else, will guide the world into the predetermined solution. Yet Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told Syrian counterpart Bashar Assad after Obama`s overtures to Syria and Iran that "The incidents are for the good of the region`s free and resisting countries ...We must use our abilities and opportunities in a smart and correct way," the president told Assad, adding that the Iranian-Syrian front was on its way to a victory, and that the enemies, namely Israel and the United States, were weakening every day. Assad responded saying, "The conditions in the region are in favor of the Islamic countries and against the Zionist regime and its supporters. The terror regimes are mindful of every step in their journey, while the west is so solution focused in their prideful way that they have lost direction. Regrettably, as a result, the world may be thrown into a deep wilderness before they find their way again. We see in the book of Hoshea after reading about how unfaithful Israel had been; "Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak tenderly unto her. And I will give her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope; and she shall respond there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt"(Hoshea 2:18-22). The people of Israel are slowly coning out of their long and painful wilderness, even though their political leadership is still lagging behind. The world, on the other hand, after 9/11 and the financial crisis is only now entering their own wilderness. May it be a merciful and gentle sojourn. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090528/0e4971a6/attachment.html From chcashmore at hotmail.com Thu May 28 06:11:48 2009 From: chcashmore at hotmail.com (Catherine Cashmore) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:11:48 +1000 Subject: [Dialogue] APOLOGIES. Message-ID: Stay safe Joe! Will miss you. Don't over do things. I'll pray for you, but please take things easy. You're a very precious soul! Catherine x -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090528/1a79c74c/attachment.html From cormary at mts.net Thu May 28 06:47:30 2009 From: cormary at mts.net (Cornie Reimer) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 06:47:30 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Re: Lazer Beams - The King's Son In-Reply-To: <4A1E7822.4000400@gninc.ca> References: <4A1E7822.4000400@gninc.ca> Message-ID: <4A1E79D2.9030502@mts.net> Cornie Reimer wrote: > Shalom to all interested in the worth of true tshuvah. I have to admit > that even though this is a bit sobering, and really my flesh resisted > taking the time to listen to this 45 minute lesson how to be able to > be happy. This is such manna for the soul, when we think that it does > not need to be all that time spent in prayer, but at the same time we > wonder why we get all this sickness, or tribulation, and above all, to > have the grace to see that any sin we do, comes from Hashem wanting to > get our attention!!!! > > It is well worth listening to, yes it comes from a Jewish Rabbi, but > it happens to be a great Zadik, of our day. One warning, this is not > easy on the flesh. > > Cornie > > FeedBlitz wrote: >> >> >> >> Your email updates, powered by FeedBlitz >> >> >> Here are the latest updates for *correim at gninc.ca* >> >> >> *"Lazer Beams "* - 1 >> new article >> >> 1. The King's Son <#40199_0> >> 2. More Recent Articles <#40199_recap> >> 3. Search Lazer Beams >> >> >> *The King's Son >> * >> >> Here's the 58-minute playback of our weekly Wednesday emuna lesson, >> with a front-row seat for you at our Chut Shel Chessed Yeshiva in >> Jerusalem. Rav Shalom Arush revealed to me a few amazing secrets in >> attaining true happiness, which we're happy to share with you on >> today's lesson entitled The King's Son >> . Enjoy it. >> >> >> ? Email to a friend >> >> ? Article Search >> >> ? Related >> >> ? 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Search Lazer Beams > > > *The King's Son > * > > Here's the 58-minute playback of our weekly Wednesday emuna lesson, > with a front-row seat for you at our Chut Shel Chessed Yeshiva in > Jerusalem. Rav Shalom Arush revealed to me a few amazing secrets in > attaining true happiness, which we're happy to share with you on > today's lesson entitled The King's Son > . Enjoy it. > > > ? Email to a friend > > ? Article Search > > ? Related > > ? 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Helen ? ________________________________ From: JOE INDOMENICO To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:55:46 AM Subject: [Dialogue] CHAG SAMEACH SHAVUOT. ????????????????????????????? ???????? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Chag Sameach Shavuot. ???????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????? ?? May HaShem bless you all ???????????????????????????????????????????? as we remember Mattan Torah !!! ??????????????????????????????????????????????????? Shalom v'Ahavah ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? JOE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090528/81812027/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The > nations will > see the blessings that come with following the way of Hashem and > they will > also see the cursing that comes with not following the way of Hashem. > Therefore , the nations will then choose to follow the way or not, > but as > I'm seeing it or at least what I'm thinking. So what if Messiah > comes? He > will not fix the whole world at once. It will be a process, that > begins > with the nation of Israel and then works it's way outward and around > the > entire globe. > > Now if I have not totally missed it, this will create quite a > different > future then the one espoused by Christianity. > > Any thoughts? > > > marvin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I read your ideas, Marvin, about the Messiah restoring Israel and it going out to the nations it sounds just like the plan from Mt. Sinai! Can you imagine a farmer from Iowa being told to go up to Jerusalem for the Feast or he will get no rain? "What?" "That's a Jewish thing and not for me." ? Susie --- On Thu, 5/28/09, James Tabor wrote: From: James Tabor Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Messiah and the nations To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:17 AM This is precisely what I think the Prophets lay out and what I cover in my book, RAF, as you know, the final chapters. I think the idea of a process is absolutely important and realistic. There are no magic answers and things must be properly "fixed" so we human learn our lessons. This insight is so very important Marvin. Thanks for bringing it to our thoughts as Shavuot approaches. Any chance you could jump over the mts and join us for the Men's Retreat? James On May 27, 2009, at 10:51 PM, mhyde wrote: > > Hey gang, > > I have a question.???Christians generally think that when Messiah(jesus) > comes that he will bring peace to all of us. Good guys go to heaven and the > bad guys go to hell. > > My question or statement is this.???I think or am seeing in scripture, that > when? Messiah comes he will set things right in Israel.???The nations will > see the blessings that come with following the way of Hashem and they will > also see the cursing that comes with not following the way of Hashem. > Therefore , the nations will then choose to follow the way or not, but as > I'm seeing it or at least what I'm thinking. So what if Messiah comes?? He > will not fix the whole world at once.? It will be a process, that begins > with the nation of Israel and then works it's way outward and around the > entire globe. > > Now if I have not totally missed it, this will create quite a different > future then the one espoused by Christianity. > > Any thoughts? > > > marvin > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there really something that binds the first-fruits ceremony with the receiving of Torah, or are these two ways of observing Shavuot mutually exclusive? Today we aren't engaged in the activity of bringing first-fruits to the Holy Temple, for the simple reason that the Holy Temple is not yet standing. Today, In lieu of the bringing of the first-fruits, the custom of intensive Torah study throughout the night of Shavuot has evolved. It is an all too common misunderstanding that "post" Holy Temple customs have developed in order to replace the lost Temple service. Equally mistaken is the notion that these "post" Holy Temple customs, powerful as they truly are, have contained within them the same power to affect and benefit the spiritual well-being of the world as did the Divine service that these customs have come to "replace." Receiving Torah at Mount Sinai was the very beginning of the journey for the people of Israel. Endowed with a covenant with the Almighty, the children of Israel were now on their way to becoming the nation of Israel. Contained within every word of every commandment of this new Torah was the imperative of the land of Israel. The journey and the fulfillment of the word of Torah would only be possible in the land of Israel. This is no more explicit than in the commandment of the first-fruits: "And it will be, when you come into the land which the L-rd , your G-d , gives you for an inheritance, and you possess it and settle in it, that you shall take of the first of all the fruit of the ground, which you will bring from your land, which the L-rd , your G-d , is giving you. And you shall put [them] into a basket and go to the place which the L-rd , your G-d , will choose to have His Name dwell there. And you shall come to the kohen who will be [serving] in those days, and say to him, 'I declare this day to the L-rd , your G-d , that I have come to the land which the L-rd swore to our forefathers to give us.'" (Deuteronomy 26:1-3) Thus marks the conclusion of the journey. The Jewish farmer, informed by Sinai, wholly engaged in the land of Israel, delivers the work of his own hands, the fruits of his own sweat and labors, and brings these bikkurim - these precious first-fruits - to the kohen who serves in the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. This farmer who has journeyed far from his home in the certainty of G-d's promise and has ascended to the house of the L-rd, this farmer is not studying Torah, he is living Torah. Today we are at the beginning of the journey, standing once again at Sinai, straining with every fiber of our being not to "wake up too late," striving to absorb and acquire and attain every nuance, every shade, every subtlety of meaning in the letters and words of Torah. We seek to hear the lightning and see the thunder. But the ultimate message of Torah, and the very message embodied by the mitzvah of bikkurim, is that Torah knowledge is meant, not to be accumulated, but to shape and transform all that we are and all that we do. Our all-night Torah study doesn't come to replace the commandments of the first-fruits, nor is it a modern cerebral upgrade of the original "earthy" mitzvah of bikkurim. It is, in fact, a "dry rehearsal," a preparation for repossessing the land, reclaiming our destiny, regaining our ability to truly live the Torah in the land of Israel, and returning "to the place which the L-rd, your G-d , will choose to have His Name dwell there." (ibid) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Christians do not view the Messanic Age for them as a process. That is over. They are in a glorified state ruling and living with Messiah. Majority believe that they were taken out of this realm while the messy stuff was being dealt with on Earth. When I read your ideas, Marvin, about the Messiah restoring Israel and it going out to the nations it sounds just like the plan from Mt. Sinai! Can you imagine a farmer from Iowa being told to go up to Jerusalem for the Feast or he will get no rain? "What?" "That's a Jewish thing and not for me." ? Susie --- On Thu, 5/28/09, James Tabor wrote: From: James Tabor Subject: Re: [Dialogue] Messiah and the nations To: dialogue at rootsoffaith.org Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:17 AM This is precisely what I think the Prophets lay out and what I cover in my book, RAF, as you know, the final chapters. I think the idea of a process is absolutely important and realistic. There are no magic answers and things must be properly "fixed" so we human learn our lessons. This insight is so very important Marvin. Thanks for bringing it to our thoughts as Shavuot approaches. Any chance you could jump over the mts and join us for the Men's Retreat? James On May 27, 2009, at 10:51 PM, mhyde wrote: > > Hey gang, > > I have a question.???Christians generally think that when Messiah(jesus) > comes that he will bring peace to all of us. Good guys go to heaven and the > bad guys go to hell. > > My question or statement is this.???I think or am seeing in scripture, that > when? Messiah comes he will set things right in Israel.???The nations will > see the blessings that come with following the way of Hashem and they will > also see the cursing that comes with not following the way of Hashem. > Therefore , the nations will then choose to follow the way or not, but as > I'm seeing it or at least what I'm thinking. So what if Messiah comes?? He > will not fix the whole world at once.? It will be a process, that begins > with the nation of Israel and then works it's way outward and around the > entire globe. > > Now if I have not totally missed it, this will create quite a different > future then the one espoused by Christianity. > > Any thoughts? > > > marvin > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090528/6b98423b/attachment.html From betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com Thu May 28 11:40:25 2009 From: betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com (betty_m_eddy at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Dialogue] The Death of Israel Message-ID: <873337.39336.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Take a look at this link. http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2009/05/24/the-death-of-israel/ Betty Eddy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090528/dfb742a2/attachment.html From eliasaph at uniteourheart.com Thu May 28 12:11:10 2009 From: eliasaph at uniteourheart.com (Steve Mathe) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:11:10 -0700 Subject: [Dialogue] Feast of Shavuot 2009 Message-ID: <200905281710.n4SHAhUA029262@mail382c25.carrierzone.com> Friends, Time is marching on toward the redemption of Israel and of the world. The current state of the world with its insurmountable ecological destruction, pollution, rabid political systems, rapacious exploitation of the economies of the world by its financial controllers, dishonesty at all strata of all societies, vile perversions and horrendous unspeakable crimes against the innocent and impending unleashing of nuclear destruction by murderous regimes, all spell out the time of "Jacob's trouble" (Jer. 30:7), that is signaling the end of the age of man and the beginning of the Great Shabbat of G-d, the age which compared the previous ages will be like the blessed rest of God's holy commandment of the Shabbat to man. We are coming to another Feast of Shavout / Weeks, [Pentecost] after we have counted the 49 days of the Omer count since the days of Pesach/ Unleavened Bread. Wether we observe it according to the counting from the second day of Pesach or by counting from the Shabbat within the Days of Unleavened Bread, we are remembering the greatest revelation by G-d to mankind. Many who identify with the returning Ten Tribes, or with those who are being called to join them at the end of the age, are looking forward as well to another great revelation of G-d's manifest intervention into the world to deliver Israel again and gather them to the reacceptance of the Covenant they made at Mt. Sinai 3500 years go, (Jer. 31:29-34, Hos. 2: 14-20). As such, we who are called to the knowledge of this eventuality, are pioneers in the reacceptance of that Covenant and have made progress on that quest on our individual paths of return. Part of that collective task is to stand in for all our brothers and sisters and pray for the outpouring by G-d of a greater measure of His holy Spirit upon Israel that she may be mercifully guided to return from the wilderness that she is wandering in now, to her G-d with whom she made a marriage covenant in the wilderness of old, (Hos. 2:14). Whatever celebration and observance we may be participating at this time, let us remember that we are again building "the Mishkan" [Tabernacle] on our trek back to our faith and to the Land of our Faith. This is the "Mishkan of Prayers" we desperately need in order to house the Divinely sent Guidance we all need individually and collectively as returnees. Everyone, please pray for the outpouring of God's holy Spirit upon each one of us that we may be strengthened and inspired to do the Work we have been called to do. May the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob be with you all this Feast of Shavuot. Steve "Only Torah, Prayer and Repentance will unify the tribes of Israel." http://www.uniteourheart.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090528/58fe822b/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Thu May 28 14:36:17 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:36:17 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] 'Seven Existential Threats' Message-ID: <855590370905281236w7dc2ab46rafb0a6f13be86cb0@mail.gmail.com> Oren is one of the true 'thinkers' in Israel (even when he and I don't see an issue the same way), and is an exceptional writer. Very sobering reading, although I'm certain my 'action plan' is very different then his, but it's very worth your reading - this weekend, after Sunday's Salute to Israel Parade in NYC, I hope to share some of my reactions to Oren't article. Chag Sameach - Shavuot, Z'man Matan Toratenu - Shavuot, the time of the giving of OUR Torah *Hanoch *(and may this be the LAST Chag I celebrate outside of Israel, EVER.....102 days and counting) *Seven Existential Threats* Michael B. Oren - May 01, 2009 Commentary Magazine Rarely in modern history have nations faced genuine existential threats. Wars are waged to change regimes, alter borders, acquire resources, and impose ideologies, but almost never to eliminate another state and its people. This was certainly the case during World War II, in which the Allies sought to achieve the unconditional surrender of Germany and Japan and to oust their odious leaders, but never to destroy the German and Japanese states or to annihilate their populations. In the infrequent cases in which modern states were threatened with their survival, the experience proved to be traumatic in the extreme. Military coups, popular uprisings, and civil strife are typical by-products of a state?s encounter with even a single existential threat. The State of Israel copes not only with one but with at least seven existential threats on a daily basis. These threats are extraordinary not only for their number but also for their diversity. In addition to external military dangers from hostile regimes and organizat ions, the Jewish State is endangered by domestic opposition, demographic trends, and the erosion of core values. Indeed, it is difficult if not impossible to find an example of another state in the modern epic that has faced such a multiplicity and variety of concurrent existential threats. _____________ *The Loss of Jerusalem*. The preservation of Jerusalem as the political and spiritual capital of the Jewish state is vital to Israel?s existence. This fact was well understood by David Ben-Gurion, Israel?s first prime minister, at the time of the state?s creation in 1948. Though Israel was attacked simultaneously on all fronts by six Arab armies, with large sections of the Galilee and the Negev already lost, Ben-Gurion devoted the bulk of Israel?s forces to breaking the siege of Jerusalem. The city, he knew, represented the raison d??tre of the Jewish state, and without it Israel would be merely another miniature Mediterranean enclave not worth living in, much less defending. Ben-Gurion?s axiom proved correct: For more than 60 years, Jerusalem has formed the nucleus of Israel?s national identity and cohesion. But now, for the first time since 1948, Israel is in danger of losing Jerusalem?not to Arab forces but to a combination of negligence and lack of interest. Jerusalem no longer boasts a Zionist majority. Out of a total population of 800,000, there are 272,000 Arabs and 200,000 Haredim--ultra-Orthodox Jews who do no t generally identify with the Zionist state. Recent years have seen the flight of thousands of secular Jews from the city, especially professionals and young couples. This exodus has severely eroded the city?s tax base, making Jerusalem Israel?s poorest city. Add this to the lack of industry and the prevalence of terrorist attacks and it is easy to see why Jerusalem is hardly a magnet for young Israelis. Indeed, virtually half of all Israelis under 18 have never even visited Jerusalem. If this trend continues, Ben-Gurion?s nightmare will materialize and Israel will be rendered soulless, a country in which a great many Jews may not want to live or for which they may not be willing to give their lives. _____________ *The Arab Demographic Threat.* Estimates of the Arab growth rate, both within Israel and the West Bank and Gaza, vary widely. A maximalist school holds that the Palestinian population on both sides of the 1949 armistice lines is expanding far more rapidly than the Jewish sector and will surpass it in less than a decade. Countering this claim, a minimalist school insists that the Arab birthrate in Israel is declining and that the population of the territories, because of emigration, is also shrinking. Even if the minimalist interpretation is largely correct, it cannot alter a situation in which Israeli Arabs currently constitute one-fifth of the country?s population?one-quarter of the population under age 19--and in which the20West Bank now contains at least 2 million Arabs. Israel, the Jewish State, is predicated on a decisive and stable Jewish majority of at least 70 percent. Any lower than that and Israel will have to decide between being a Jewish state and a democratic state. If it chooses democracy, then Israel as a Jewish state will cease to exist. If it remains officially Jewish, then the state will face an unprecedented level of international isolation, including sanctions, that might prove fatal. Ideally, the remedy for this dilemma lies in separate states for Jews and Palestinian Arabs. The basic conditions for such a solution, however, are unrealizable for the foreseeable future. The creation of Palestinian government, even within the parameters of the deal proposed by President Clinton in 2000, would require the removal of at least 100,000 Israelis from their West Bank homes. The evacuation of a mere 8,100 Israelis from Gaza in 2005 required 55,000 IDF troops?the largest Israeli military operation since the 1973 Yom Kippur War?and was profoundly traumatic. And unlike the biblical heartland of Judaea and Samaria, which is now called the West Bank, Gaza has never been universally regarded as part of the historical Land of Israel. On the Palestinian side there is no single leadership at all, and certainly not one ready to concede the demand for the repatriation of Palestinian refugees to Israel or to forfeit control of even part of the Temple Mount (a necessary precondition for a settlement th at does not involve the division of Jerusalem). No Palestinian leader, even the most moderate, has recognized Israel?s right to exist as a Jewish state or even the existence of a Jewish people. In the absence of a realistic two-state paradigm, international pressure will grow to transform Israel into a binational state. This would spell the end of the Zionist project. Confronted with the lawlessness and violence endemic to other one-state situations in the Middle East such as Lebanon and Iraq, multitudes of Israeli Jews will emigrate. _____________ *Delegitimization.* Since the mid-1970s, Israel?s enemies have waged an increasingly successful campaign of delegitimizing Israel in world forums, intellectual and academic circles, and the press. The campaign has sought to depict Israel as a racist, colonialist state that proffers extraordinary rights to its Jewish citizens and denies fundamental freedoms to the Arabs. These accusations have found their way into standard textbooks on the Middle East and have become part of the daily discourse at the United Nations and other influential international organizations. Most recently, Israel has been depicted as an apartheid state, effectively comparing the Jewish State to South Africa under its former white supremacist regime. Many of Israel?s counterterrorism efforts are branded as war crimes, and Israeli generals are indicted by foreign courts. Though the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza clearly contributed to the tarnishing=2 0of Israel?s image, increasingly the delegitimization campaign focuses not on Israel?s policy in the territories but on its essence as the Jewish national state. Such calumny was, in the past, dismissed as harmless rhetoric. But as the delegitimization of Israel gained prominence, the basis was laid for international measures to isolate Israel and punish it with sanctions similar to those that brought down the South African regime. The academic campaigns to boycott Israeli universities and intellectuals are adumbrations of the type of strictures that could destroy Israel economically and deny it the ability to defend itself against the existential threats posed by terrorism and Iran. _____________ *Terrorism.* Since the moment of its birth, Israel has been the target of attacks?bombings, ambushes, rocket fire?from Arab irregulars committed to its destruction. In the decade between 1957 and 1967, widely considered the most halcyon in the state?s history, hundreds of Israelis were killed in such assaults. Nevertheless, the Israeli security establishment viewed terror as a nuisance that, though at times tormenting, did not threaten the state?s survival. This assessment changed, however, in the fall of 2000, when the Palestinians responded to an Israeli-American offer of statehood in the West Bank and Gaza with an onslaught of drive-by shootings and suicide bombings. Tourists and foreign capital fled the country as a result, and Israelis were literally locked inside their homes. The state was dying. Israel eventually rallied and, in the spring of 2002, mounted a counteroffensive against terrorist strongholds in the West Bank and Gaza. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) developed innovative techniques for patrolling Palestinian cities, coordinating special forces and intelligence units, and targeting terrorist leaders. Israel also built a separation barrier that impeded the ability of terrorists to infiltrate the state from the east. These measures succeeded in virtually eliminating suicide bombers and restoring economic and social stability. Yet no sooner were these historic achievements gained than terrorists alit on a new tactic no less threatening to Israel?s existence. Katyusha rockets fired by Hezbollah into northern Israel and Qassam rockets fired by Hamas in the south rendered life in large swaths of Israel emotionally untenable. Though Israeli ground and air operations may have succeeded in temporarily deterring such attacks, Israel has yet to devise a 21st-century remedy for these mid-20th century threats. Moreover, Hezbollah?s and Hamas?s arsenals now contain rockets capable of hitting every Israeli city. If fired simultaneously, these rockets could knock out Israel?s airport, destroy its economy, spur a mass exodus from the country, and perhaps trigger a chain reaction in which some Israeli Arabs and several Middle Eastern states join in the assault. Israel?s attempts to defend itself, for example by invading Lebanon and Gaza, would b e condemned internationally, and serve as pretext for delegitimizing the state. Israel?s survival would be threatened. _____________ *A Nuclear-Armed Iran.* The principal sponsor of Hamas and Hezbollah, Iran is inextricably linked to the terrorist threat. But when the Islamic Republic achieves nuclear weapons-capability?as early as this year, according to Israeli intelligence estimates?the threat will amplify manifold. A nuclear-armed Iran creates not one but several existential threats. The most manifest emanates from Iran?s routinely declared desire to ?wipe Israel off the map,? and from the fact that cold war calculi of nuclear deterrence through mutually assured destruction may not apply to Islamist radicals eager for martyrdom. Some Israeli experts predict that the Iranian leadership would be willing to sacrifice 50 percent of their countrymen in order to eradicate Israel. Beyond the perils of an Iranian first-strike attack against Israel, the possibility exists that Iran will transfer its nuclear capabilities to terrorist groups, which will then unleash them on Israel via the country?s porous ports and border crossings. A nuclear Iran will also deny Israel the ability to respond to terrorist attacks: in response to an Israeli retaliation against Hezbollah, for example, Iran would go on nuclear alert, causing widespread panic in Israel and the collapse of its economy. Finally, and most menacing, many Middle Eastern states have declared their intention to develop nuclear capabilities of their own once Iran acquires the bomb. Israel will swiftly find itself in a profoundly unstable nuclear neighborhood prone to violent revolutions and miscalculations leading to war. As former Labor Party minister Efraim Sneh says, under such circumstances, all Israelis who can leave the country will. _____________ *The Hemorrhaging of Sovereignty*. Israel does not assert its sovereignty over large sections of its territory and over major sectors of its population. In East Jerusalem, a few hundred yards from where Israeli building codes are strictly enforced in West Jerusalem, Arabs have illegally built hundreds of houses, many of them in historic areas, with impunity. The situation is even worse in the Negev and throughout much of the Galilee, where vast tracts of land have been seized by illegal construction and squatters. Taxes are erratically collected in these areas and the police maintain, at best, a symbolic presence. Israel fails to apply its laws not only to segments of its Arab population but to significant parts of its Jewish community as well. Over 100 outposts have been established illegally in the West Bank, and Jewish settler violence perpetrated against Palestinian civilians and Israeli security forces is now regarded as a major threat by the IDF. Israel also balks at enforcing many of its statutes in the burgeoning Haredi community. (According to a recent report, by the year 2012, Haredim will account f or one-third of all the Jewish elementary school students in Israel.) Though it is difficult to generalize about Israeli Haredim, the community overwhelmingly avoids military service and eschews the symbols of the state. A significant percentage of Knesset members, Arabs and Jews, do not recognize the validity of the state they serve. Some actively call for its dissolution. Israel is, quite simply, hemorrhaging sovereignty and so threatening its continued existence as a state. _____________ *Corruption.* Recent years have witnessed the indictment of major Israeli leaders on charges of embezzlement, taking bribes, money laundering, sexual harassment, and even rape. Young Israelis shun politics, which are widely perceived as cutthroat; the Knesset, according to annual surveys, commands the lowest level of respect of any state institution. Charges of corruption have spread to areas of Israeli society, such as the army, once considered inviolate. The breakdown of public morality, in my view, poses the greatest single existential threat to Israel. It is this threat that undermines Israel?s ability to cope with other threats; that saps the willingness of Israelis to fight, to govern themselves, and even to continue living within a sovereign Jewish state. It emboldens Israel?s enemies and sullies Israel?s international reputation. The fact that Israel is a world leader in drug and human trafficking, in money laundering, and in illicit weapons sales is not only unconscionable for20a Jewish state, it also substantively reduces that state?s ability to survive. Though seemingly overwhelming, the threats to Israel?s existence are not without solutions, either partial or complete. Preserving Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish state must become a policy priority for Israel. Immense resources must be invested in expanding the industrial and social infrastructure of the city and in encouraging young people to relocate there. Israeli school children must make biannual visits to Jerusalem; materials on Jerusalem?s centrality to Jewish history and national identity must be introduced into school curricula. Similarly, to maintain Israel?s demographic integrity, measures must be taken to separate Israel from the densely populated areas of the West Bank. In the absence of effective Palestinian interlocutors, Israel may have to draw its eastern border unilaterally. The new borders should include the maximum number of Jews, of natural and strategic assets, and of Jewish holy places. There is no absolute solution for terrorism, though terror attacks can be reduced to a manageable level through combined (air, ground, and intelligence) operations, physical obstacles, and advanced anti-ballistic systems. It is also essential that Israel adopt a zero-tolerance policy for terrorism, in which every rocket or mortar shell fired across its border precipitates an immediate and punishing response. There must be no immunity for terrorist leaders, military or political. Israel proved that suicide bombers can be virtually eliminated and that terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah can be deterred. Israel cannot allow Iran to acquire nuclear weapons. Israel should work in close tandem with the United States, supporting the current administration?s diplomatic efforts to dissuade the Iranians from going nuclear but warning American policymakers of the dangers of Iranian prevarication. Israel must also not allow its hands to be tied?it must remain free to initiate other, covert measures to impede Iran?s nuclear program, while continuing to develop the plans and intelligence necessary for a military operation. There is no other option, if the state is to survive, than for Israel to assert its sovereignty fully and equitably over all of its territory and inhabitants. This means forbidding illegal construction in East Jerusalem, the Negev, and the Galilee. Major investments will have to be made to expand the security forces necessary for applying Israeli law uniformly throughout the state. In the specific case of Israeli Arabs, Israel must adopt a two-pronged policy of assuring total equality in the provision of social services and infrastructure while simultaneously insisting that Israeli Arabs demonstrate basic loyalty to the state. A system of national service?military and non-military?must be established and made obligatory for all Israelis, ending the destructive separation of Haredi youth from the responsibilities of citizenship. Corruption must be addressed on both the institutional and=2 0the ideological levels. The first step in reducing political corruption is the radical reform of the coalition system, in which that corruption is organic. Young people must be encouraged to enter politics and grassroots movements dedicated to probity in public affairs fostered. Most fundamental, though, corruption must be rooted out through a revival of Zionist and Jewish values. These should be inculcated, first, in the schools, then through the media and popular culture. The most pressing need is for leadership. Indeed, all of these threats can be surmounted with courageous, clear-sighted, and morally sound leaders of the caliber of David Ben-Gurion. Though remedies exist for all of the monumental threats facing Israel, contemplating them can nevertheless prove dispiriting. A historical context can, however, be helpful. Israel has always grappled with mortal dangers, many more daunting than those of today, and yet managed to prevail. In 1948, a population half of the size of that of Washington, D.C., with no economy and no allies, armed with little more than handguns, held off six Arab armies. It built an economy, tripled its population in ten years, and developed a vibrant democracy and Hebrew culture. Nineteen years later, in June 1967, Israel was surrounded by a million Arab soldiers clamoring for its obliteration. Its economy was collapsing and its only ally, France, switched sides. There was no assistance from the United States and only hatred from the Soviet bloc countries, China, and even India. And look at Israel today: a nation of 7 million with a robust economy, six of the world?s leading universities, a pulsating youth culture, cutting-edge arts, and a military that, in its last two engagements, was able to mobilize more than 100 percent of its reserves. According to recent polls, Israelis are the second-most patriotic people in the world, after Americans, and the most willing to defend their country. Israel in 2009 has treaties with Jordan and Egypt, excellent relations with Eastern Europe, China, and India, and a historic alliance with the United States. By virtually all criteria, Israel in 2009 is in an inestimably better position than at any other time in its 61 years of independence. Though the severity of the threats jeopardizing Israel?s existence must never be underestimated, neither should Israel?s resilience and national will. That persistence reflects, at least in part, the success of the Jewish people to surmount similar dangers for well over 3,000 years. Together with Diaspora Jewry and millions of Israel supporters abroad, Israel can not only survive these perils but, as in the past, it can thrive. Michael B. Oren, a distinguished fellow at the Shalem Center and a professor at the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University, is the author of Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East, 1776 to the Present. He wishes to thank Rafael Frankel for his assistance in preparing this article. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090528/42cf62c4/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Thu May 28 15:38:53 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:38:53 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] APOLOGIES. In-Reply-To: <4A1E3567.50409@westnet.com.au> References: <4A1E3567.50409@westnet.com.au> Message-ID: <855590370905281338s5eba36dby1345fc9b73d320ce@mail.gmail.com> Hey Mate - Make sure to take care of yourself - especially your back! Please try not to do TOO much....and don't worry, we'll be waiting for you when you get back. :-) Miss ya already...Chag Sameach! * Hanoch * On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:55 AM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > *Shalom Chaverim, > > my apologies for my absence. > I would like to take temporary leave until further notice. > > We had extremely violent weather on the Gold Coast last week. > All is fine on my end. > Unfortunately there has been a lot of damage to property. > My profession calls for doing a lot of reports, investigations and remedial > repair work. > > I have been inundated. > > I will try and catch up next week after the Chag. > > Shalom v'Ahavah. > JOE. > * > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090528/283e78aa/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Thu May 28 16:25:58 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:25:58 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Feast of Shavuot 2009 In-Reply-To: <200905281710.n4SHAhUA029262@mail382c25.carrierzone.com> References: <200905281710.n4SHAhUA029262@mail382c25.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <855590370905281425q2e960e1t3cc1d6cbcf839ab5@mail.gmail.com> Shalom Steve, Wow...beautifully written, as we've all come to expect from you :-) Toda! May we all take this message to heart, and TURN our hearts to HaShem (G-d) - HE is the only one with all the answers... Chag Sameach to all, * Hanoch * On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Steve Mathe wrote: > *Friends, > > Time is marching on toward the redemption of Israel and of the world. The > current state of the world with its insurmountable ecological destruction, > pollution, rabid political systems, rapacious exploitation of the economies > of the world by its financial controllers, dishonesty at all strata of all > societies, vile perversions and horrendous unspeakable crimes against the > innocent and impending unleashing of nuclear destruction by murderous > regimes, all spell out the time of "Jacob's trouble" (Jer. 30:7), that is > signaling the end of the age of man and the beginning of the Great Shabbat > of G-d, the age which compared the previous ages will be like the blessed > rest of God's holy commandment of the Shabbat to man. > > We are coming to another Feast of Shavout / Weeks, [Pentecost] after we > have counted the 49 days of the Omer count since the days of Pesach/ > Unleavened Bread. Wether we observe it according to the counting from the > second day of Pesach or by counting from the Shabbat within the Days of > Unleavened Bread, we are remembering the greatest revelation by G-d to > mankind. Many who identify with the returning Ten Tribes, or with those who > are being called to join them at the end of the age, are looking forward as > well to another great revelation of G-d's manifest intervention into the > world to deliver Israel again and gather them to the reacceptance of the > Covenant they made at Mt. Sinai 3500 years go, (Jer. 31:29-34, Hos. 2: > 14-20). > > As such, we who are called to the knowledge of this eventuality, are > pioneers in the reacceptance of that Covenant and have made progress on that > quest on our individual paths of return. Part of that collective task is to > stand in for all our brothers and sisters and pray for the outpouring by G-d > of a greater measure of His holy Spirit upon Israel that she may be > mercifully guided to return from the wilderness that she is wandering in > now, to her G-d with whom she made a marriage covenant in the wilderness of > old, (Hos. 2:14). > > Whatever celebration and observance we may be participating at this time, > let us remember that we are again building "the Mishkan" [Tabernacle] on > our trek back to our faith and to the Land of our Faith. This is the > "Mishkan of Prayers" we desperately need in order to house the Divinely sent > Guidance we all need individually and collectively as returnees. Everyone, > please pray for the outpouring of God's holy Spirit upon each one of us that > we may be strengthened and inspired to do the Work we have been called to > do. > > May the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob be with you all this Feast of > Shavuot. > > Steve > > "Only Torah, Prayer and Repentance will unify the tribes of Israel." > > http://www.uniteourheart.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090528/770f3b33/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Thu May 28 18:14:20 2009 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:14:20 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] Feast of Shavuot 2009 In-Reply-To: <855590370905281425q2e960e1t3cc1d6cbcf839ab5@mail.gmail.com> References: <200905281710.n4SHAhUA029262@mail382c25.carrierzone.com> <855590370905281425q2e960e1t3cc1d6cbcf839ab5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0905281614l3bcdb1c9gd0c4917e09fb63a2@mail.gmail.com> Yes, Thank You! Steve. Is it not customary to stay up all night studying and praying to prepare for the receiving of the commandments. My prayer is that HaShem will write the commandments on our hearts and that we will be filled with Ruach ha Kodesh. I also feel led to pray on Hoses II (last week's Haftorah)...especially verses 2-3. As a read the portion on Sabbath, I feel that I saw it with "fresh eyes". 2. And the children of Judah and the children of Israel shall be gathered together, and they shall appoint themselves one head, and they shall go up out of the land (of exile); for great shall be the day of Jezreel. 3. Say ye unto your brethren: "Ammi" (My people.) and to your sisters: "Ruhamah" (She who obtains compassion). What I saw with fresh eyes is that Judah and Israel are to say to eachother "Ammi" and "Ruhamah". So I say to each of you "Ammi" and "Ruhamah", may we soon (with HaShem's blessing and merciful compassion) be gathered together to go up out of exile. Yom Tov! Shalom, Kim On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Hanoch Young wrote: > Shalom Steve, > > Wow...beautifully written, as we've all come to expect from you > :-) Toda! May we all take this message to heart, and TURN our hearts to > HaShem (G-d) - HE is the only one with all the answers... > > Chag Sameach to all, > * Hanoch > * > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Steve Mathe wrote: > >> *Friends, >> >> Time is marching on toward the redemption of Israel and of the world. The >> current state of the world with its insurmountable ecological destruction, >> pollution, rabid political systems, rapacious exploitation of the economies >> of the world by its financial controllers, dishonesty at all strata of all >> societies, vile perversions and horrendous unspeakable crimes against the >> innocent and impending unleashing of nuclear destruction by murderous >> regimes, all spell out the time of "Jacob's trouble" (Jer. 30:7), that is >> signaling the end of the age of man and the beginning of the Great Shabbat >> of G-d, the age which compared the previous ages will be like the blessed >> rest of God's holy commandment of the Shabbat to man. >> >> We are coming to another Feast of Shavout / Weeks, [Pentecost] after we >> have counted the 49 days of the Omer count since the days of Pesach/ >> Unleavened Bread. Wether we observe it according to the counting from the >> second day of Pesach or by counting from the Shabbat within the Days of >> Unleavened Bread, we are remembering the greatest revelation by G-d to >> mankind. Many who identify with the returning Ten Tribes, or with those who >> are being called to join them at the end of the age, are looking forward as >> well to another great revelation of G-d's manifest intervention into the >> world to deliver Israel again and gather them to the reacceptance of the >> Covenant they made at Mt. Sinai 3500 years go, (Jer. 31:29-34, Hos. 2: >> 14-20). >> >> As such, we who are called to the knowledge of this eventuality, are >> pioneers in the reacceptance of that Covenant and have made progress on that >> quest on our individual paths of return. Part of that collective task is to >> stand in for all our brothers and sisters and pray for the outpouring by G-d >> of a greater measure of His holy Spirit upon Israel that she may be >> mercifully guided to return from the wilderness that she is wandering in >> now, to her G-d with whom she made a marriage covenant in the wilderness of >> old, (Hos. 2:14). >> >> Whatever celebration and observance we may be participating at this time, >> let us remember that we are again building "the Mishkan" [Tabernacle] on >> our trek back to our faith and to the Land of our Faith. This is the >> "Mishkan of Prayers" we desperately need in order to house the Divinely sent >> Guidance we all need individually and collectively as returnees. Everyone, >> please pray for the outpouring of God's holy Spirit upon each one of us that >> we may be strengthened and inspired to do the Work we have been called to >> do. >> >> May the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob be with you all this Feast of >> Shavuot. >> >> Steve >> >> "Only Torah, Prayer and Repentance will unify the tribes of Israel." >> >> http://www.uniteourheart.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090528/c7551164/attachment.html From kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com Thu May 28 18:15:27 2009 From: kimalvarado3265 at gmail.com (kim alvarado) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:15:27 -0500 Subject: [Dialogue] APOLOGIES. In-Reply-To: <855590370905281338s5eba36dby1345fc9b73d320ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A1E3567.50409@westnet.com.au> <855590370905281338s5eba36dby1345fc9b73d320ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c8dbb6e0905281615w57f81ca0se09f5c7e1b365f0f@mail.gmail.com> Chag Sameach! Joe! and yes please take care of your back. Kim On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Hanoch Young wrote: > Hey Mate - > > Make sure to take care of yourself - especially your back! Please try > not to do TOO much....and don't worry, we'll be waiting for you when you get > back. :-) > > Miss ya already...Chag Sameach! > * Hanoch > * > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:55 AM, JOE INDOMENICO wrote: > >> *Shalom Chaverim, >> >> my apologies for my absence. >> I would like to take temporary leave until further notice. >> >> We had extremely violent weather on the Gold Coast last week. >> All is fine on my end. >> Unfortunately there has been a lot of damage to property. >> My profession calls for doing a lot of reports, investigations and >> remedial repair work. >> >> I have been inundated. >> >> I will try and catch up next week after the Chag. >> >> Shalom v'Ahavah. >> JOE. >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rootsoffaith.org/pipermail/dialogue/attachments/20090528/a667d9da/attachment.html From youngbarzel at gmail.com Thu May 28 18:20:19 2009 From: youngbarzel at gmail.com (Hanoch Young) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:20:19 -0400 Subject: [Dialogue] Another interesting story about the Anusim - those forced to convert to Christianity Message-ID: <855590370905281620v65b13damd4c44aaae5b2e2ee@mail.gmail.com> Converso identities can illuminate the ways that acculturation and Jewish identity interact. (Montage by Kurt Hoffman) Book Details The Other Within: The Marranos: Split Identity and Emerging Modernity By Yirmiyahu Yovel Princeton University Press, 488 pages, $24.95. Article Tools Thoroughly Modern Marranos? >From Medieval Spain to Postmodern Affiliation By Miriam Shaviv The Forward20 Published: May 6, 2009 Diego Arias was born a Jew in 15th-century Spain, but his parents converted him to Catholicism following a wave of anti-Jewish persecution. Later in life, as royal chief financier of Castile, and one of the most powerful figures in the land, he enjoyed chanting Jewish prayers; ate hamin, a stew in the style of a traditional Sabbath cholent, on Saturdays, and was once seen treating a Christian saint?s effigy with disrespect. Yet he did not consider himself the least bit Jewish, and ? just to complicate matters further ? occasionally expressed skepticism about all religions. So, was Arias a Jew, a Christian or an atheist? In ?The Other Within,? Yirmiyahu Yovel, founder and chairman of the Jerusalem Spinoza Institute, tries to make sense of the religious identity of such Marranos ? the Jews of Spain and Portugal who were coerced into converting to Christianity in the14th and 15th centuries ? and their descendants. Marranism began in 1391, when Jews converted en masse in order to escape a series of anti-Jewish riots. The physical and mental pressure to convert continued, unabated; in 1412?15 alone, around 50,000 Spanish Jews submitted to the cross. Most contemporary rabbis believed them to be full-fledged Catholics who kept some Jewish traditions out of habit or nostalgia, or for social reasons. Modern Jews usually prefer to think of them rather more romantically, as secret Jews whose Cathol icism was just a meaningless mask meant to protect them from the authorities. The truth, Yovel says, is far more complex, and the complexity is of a particularly modern order. Yovel also says that Christian society was pursuing a myth of homogeneity, trying to rid itself of what it perceived as ?impure? and ?foreign? elements. The irony is that the conversion of the Jews did not eliminate the ?other,? but rather brought it right into the heart of Christian society. The Conversos (Yovel explains in the preface that he uses the terms Marranos, Conversos and New Christians interchangeably) did not become ?regular? Christians, nor were they regarded that way by Christian society. Rather, their life was marked by contradiction and duality. Most Marranos initially took on Christianity as a superficial skin, but they could not keep up the pretense, year in, year out, of going to church and confession, venerating saints, without internalizing some of its beliefs. Similarly, they may have intended to stay loyal to Judaism, but it was impossible to practice a religion only partially, and in secret, without losing most of its essence. The result, he says, was that most Marranos practiced a hybrid religion. ?Judaizers? consciously tried to preserve elements of Judaism, often passed down through the women of the house who became quasi-rabbis, or gleaned, ironically, from lists of Jewish beliefs published by the Inquisition for informe rs. But while they may have lit Sabbath candles in secret, only pretended to eat the ubiquitous Iberian pork or mentally annulled their actions in church, theological confusion abounded. For example, Judaizers believed that Judaism was the true path ?to salvation.? The intent may have been Jewish, but the framing theology ? salvation ? was Catholic. Similarly, the Marranos had a patron saint: Queen Esther, herself a hidden Jew. At the other end of the spectrum, Marranos who accepted their new Christian faith were still influenced by their Jewish background. The Inquisition records show Marranos who preferred to baptize their children on a Saturday, because of their ?affection? for the day, and New Christian monks who, because they had a clinging distrust of the polytheistic or idolatrous beliefs these practices implied, rejected the Trinity and disdained the sacrament, without intending to return to Judaism. Conversos often tried to reform Christianity from within. For example, the patron saint of Spain, St. Teresa of Avila, insisted that true religiosity was to be found in the mind, not in actions ? an attitude typical of Judaizing Marranos, who believed in one religion and practiced another. No wonder, because while she was, and believed herself to be, fully Christian, she had a father and grandfather who were humiliated by the Inquisition as Judaizers. In between lay a third group, perhaps larger than the Judaizers. These people lost interest in, or we re heretical to, all religions, and preferred to dwell on the affairs of the physical world, such as business or politics, instead of seeking metaphysical salvation. But they, too, lived nominally Christian lives. So while the Marranos may all have been drawing on Judaism and Christianity, they were effectively practicing neither. Their identity, Yovel says, was far more fluid than recognized by subsequent historians. Meanwhile, their contemporaries felt increasingly resentful of this unprecedented and unstable ?other within,? and occasional bouts of violence against them erupted. Laws were enacted that prevented all Conversos from holding public office ? shifting the source of their difference to blood from religion. This was a crucial shift in European thought, and one that preceded a similar shift in northern Europe by hundreds of years. The Nuremberg Laws were a result of a change in 19th century thought, but one independent of the Spanish example. In 1480, almost a full century after the Marranos first became a social issue, the Inquisition was established to root out Judaizing Marranos (it had no jurisdiction over Jews). It also misunderstood the subtleties of the Conversos? identity, condemning as a secret Jew anyone showing any signs of a connection to Jewish tradition. (Thus, Arias ? who, to all possible scrutiny, felt nothing more than nostalgia toward Judaism ? was convicted of Judaizing in a posthumous trial that destroyed his son, a prominent bishop.) 0A In 1492, Ferdinand and Isabella issued an edict expelling Spain?s remaining Jews. The crucial argument against them, Yovel says, was that the Jews ? over whom the Inquisition had no jurisdiction ? were perceived as a corrupting influence on the Marranos, teaching them how to Judaize. Yet again, this had an effect contrary to the one intended. In response, thousands of Jews converted, thus exacerbating the Converso problem. Another 80,000 to 160,000 of the most dedicated fled Spain. Many went to Portugal, where they, too, were eventually forced to convert, replicating the problem there. Yovel, whose outstanding, multilayered work closely integrates philosophical issues with an historical narrative, sees split identities as ?a basic structure of the human condition,? but one that was legitimized only in the modern era. ?In earlier times,? he says, ?split identities were considered illicit and illegal, a grave social and metaphysical sin punished by the Inquisition (and later, by nationalism and similar ?integralist? movements).? In this respect (as well as many others expanded upon by Yovel in the two final chapters), the Marranos were harbingers ? and perhaps, to some extent, catalysts ? of modernity. How unique were they? There certainly are other examples of Jews, throughout history, who mixed and matched identities, such as the Hellenizers of the Hanukkah story. Still, o